June 13, 2025 • 32 mins
DISCLAIMER: This video is for educational and documentary purposes only. It contains material that may be disturbing or offensive to some viewers, but is presented in a truthful and non-exploitative manner. The opinions expressed in this video do not necessarily reflect the views of the creator or YouTube. The people interviewed in the video do NOT represent either the creator or YouTube.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
God give for me, you know, like beautiful bad?
Speaker 2 (00:03):
These are lady boys. Ah, they're born with the penis,
they look like women, and they've been taking estrogen since
their teens. Am I looking at a man, woman or
an entirely new gender altogether? You be mom or dad?
Speaker 3 (00:18):
I can be both.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
What age did you think you were a girl?
Speaker 1 (00:22):
About? Like eight or nine?
Speaker 4 (00:24):
We should not take this spade for the real women.
Speaker 5 (00:26):
I'm top shits bottom? Am I gay?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
No? I'm not.
Speaker 5 (00:29):
I'm not interested in man.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Before I talked to lady boys myself, I pulled up
to Bangkok, Thailand, the capital of lady boys, to hear
what everyday people think about this cultural phenomenon and if
it differs from America's view of transgenders.
Speaker 6 (00:45):
No matter how many surgeries you have or chemicals you inject,
if you're born with male DNA and every shell, if
your body can never become a woman.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Would you be upset if your son became a lady boy?
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
What would you think? Cut that, cut up that tip?
Yes you would cry? Yes?
Speaker 7 (01:06):
Uh?
Speaker 8 (01:07):
Someone someone and young manga boy at the open being.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Good and okay, okay, God.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Down, I'm dying. I'm dying. How top on how I.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Will let them be what they want to be whatever.
I'mkay at all, I'm proudly okay, yes, and now you
can legally get married. Well I'm not gonna marry it. Okay,
that's a scam.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
No, I understand.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Okay.
Speaker 7 (01:36):
Now the world is opening, okay, opening, open world, and it's.
Speaker 9 (01:41):
It's not a problem at all, And like nowasday is
very acceptable because I think they are fun and they
are not bad people. They are they most of the
time they make benefits for the country.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
True, would you be happy or sad? I would say happy? Happy?
Speaker 10 (01:56):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Why, I have a lot of friends.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Lady boy really? Yes, you think she's pretty, lady boy?
Lady boy? Yeah, how do you know? I know? This
seems lady boy? Is that your final answer? Yes, sir,
it's a lady boy. Lady boy. How do you know?
But I look, uh, he's assuming in on her breasts. Yes,
(02:20):
it's beautiful though beautiful, Yes, yes she's Yes, she's pretty,
lady boy.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Beautiful.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Our lady boys culturally accepted here in Thailand or just tolerated.
Speaker 8 (02:31):
Yes, yes, yet hi u hi open of course mostly
except them.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Is there any stigma associated with lady boy?
Speaker 4 (02:40):
Not really too young.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
How many many good good and good many many.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
Yes, boy and boy.
Speaker 8 (02:51):
Is general in Thailand. Is normal for me in when
I'm in high school, I always have my my friend
that lady boy. I really love to work for them.
And then they already pay volleyball very nice, fast and
like a lady and but can put uh they heap
(03:14):
the bond very strong like man and they polite. They
I don't know, but I have good, good attitude. Yeah,
it's acceptable.
Speaker 9 (03:26):
I think most of the people can be like openly
like it's so saying that they.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
Are lady boy.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
It's not stigmatized or look down upon all.
Speaker 9 (03:35):
And like people like hanging out with lady boy or
so because they're fun and it's very open here.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Why do you think that is?
Speaker 1 (03:41):
I think because.
Speaker 9 (03:42):
Type people they have, Like many people come from many places,
and I think when you come from many players, right,
you want to see like the culture and.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
When the list and everything is very accepted.
Speaker 9 (03:54):
Because when we open for a new culture too, we
want to be ready to learn typing.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
But I'm not gonna take tang h but he d
have conj.
Speaker 6 (04:05):
Because here is a free, free country. People can come true,
come true, people live live. I am Chinese, I very
very like thailight and the type people.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Yeah. Do you know any lady boys?
Speaker 5 (04:18):
Yes, I have friends.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Really did they tell you like, hey, I'm lady boy?
Speaker 11 (04:23):
No?
Speaker 2 (04:24):
I think I really could know it by ourself. You
can tell. Would you be a lady boy in China?
Oh no, no, no, no, no no. Would you go to
jail get killed?
Speaker 6 (04:34):
We can, we can kill the boy very cute or
heirs looking like like a girl, but he.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
As boy, he's no boy, no transgender.
Speaker 8 (04:45):
Yeah, some of people in Thailand still not accept the
lady boy, but most other people in Thailand accept them, okay,
like they are a human.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Also bangkrk your mark?
Speaker 12 (05:00):
Hey, hey, okay, toy bangkok.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Hey hei yech hi okay okay.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Would you date a lady boy? No? No, no, okay.
Would you date huh just curly in a relationship? I
would not. I would not personally if I knew, too
bad for you, But I think four or five drinks
I wouldn't be able to tell. After seemingly unanimous tolerance
of the concept of lady boys out here, it was
time to meet one of the most famous lady boys
in Thailand.
Speaker 7 (05:35):
That's right, lady boy Thailand. Welcome to Bangkok, and.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
I want to bring your boyfriend from the back here. Roman,
come on in. This man interviewed you and now he's
dating you. How long have you guys been dating? Roman
saying hi hi Hi.
Speaker 13 (05:47):
Yeah, we're dating for a while now and we're very
happy together.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Were you surprised you guys became a thing? Did you
know you were into lady boys? Is that and is
that offensive?
Speaker 3 (05:59):
I think he into lady boys? But like, uh, yeah,
because you have girl?
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Yeah? Are you straight? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (06:08):
I'm straight. I'm straight and I'm dating Gina.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Viewers, do we agree with that statement? Do you think
there's any dissonance with that statement? Does that make sense?
Speaker 14 (06:17):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (06:17):
I think it.
Speaker 13 (06:18):
Makes sense if you think about it a little bit longer,
like it's a little bit can be controversial, but I
consider myself straight.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
But before we debate Roman sexuality, I want to hear
about how Shinny went from being a man to a
lady boy and what that even means. Real quick, have
you ever gotten in a car crash that wasn't your
fault or gotten hurt at work? Your injury could be
worth millions, but insurance companies often low ball their clients.
If you become Morgan and Morgan's clients, and they'll fight
(06:47):
to get you the compensation that you deserve. Fighting big
companies takes a big law firm, and as America's largest
injury law firm, they're ready to take on insurance companies
of every size, and Morgan I Morgan is so simple.
You can submit a claim and communicate with your legal
team all through your smartphone. All law firms are not
the same, and Morgan and Morgan is the biggest for
(07:08):
a reason. They've won a lot. They achieved significant verdicts
in the past couple of months for victims involved in
life altering car crashes, such as twelve million dollars in
Florida thirty four times the highest insurance offer and twenty
six million dollars in Philadelphia forty times the highest insurance offer,
and you don't have to pay them anything unless you win. Oftentimes,
(07:29):
insurance companies have an army that fight to give you
the least amount possible. If you work with Morgan and Morgan,
they'll fight to get back what you deserve, and they've
already won over twenty five billion dollars for their clients.
So you can start your claim now with Morgan and
Morgan at www dot for thepeople dot com slash Tyler
olivera link in description, or you can scan the QBR
(07:51):
code here on screen using your phone's camera. Thanks Morgan, Morgan.
Back to lady boys, When did you transition genders?
Speaker 7 (07:57):
I think a translation when I was like save like
fifteen fourteen something like that, and then but I already
know myself, like even like I'm not taking hormone yet,
I already know like, oh I am a woman, you know,
like this is my energy when I.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Was a kid.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
So you know what did mom and dad say?
Speaker 7 (08:16):
They are support me, They don't stop me, but they
one time they asked me if I want to have
kid or I want to have family or something like that.
But I say, like, no, I'm a woman something like that.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
So I still have the machinery to create a child.
You could have breakn a woman. Maybe in the future
you could still have a family if you so desire.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
I think, yes, I don't need to be that. I
can be mom.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Okay, would you be mom or dad?
Speaker 3 (08:40):
I can be both.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
I think a lot of the viewers looking at you
are like, that's a pretty girl. But you're not a girl.
How did you get to this point? How is this possible?
How are you possible?
Speaker 7 (08:51):
I think, you know, maybe it's because of like how
I you know, taking care of myself. You know, some
lady boys or some gender in Thailand, they just you know,
some of them don't take hormons, so they don't look
feminine at all because they.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Prefer to be like that.
Speaker 7 (09:09):
But for me, I prefer to look feminine to looking
like a woman and attract a man.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
At what age did you start taking.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Hormones when I was fourteen?
Speaker 11 (09:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Fourteen? What did your parents say about that?
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Actually?
Speaker 7 (09:23):
I didn't ask because, like I know, district from my
my you know, my friend from high school, and they
just tell me like, oh, okay, if you take this,
it's gonna make you look pretty, it's gonna make you
like more feminine, and like why not I want to
look feminine?
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Sure, So they just take it.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
And then the rest is history.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Yeah I can. I can have booth as well.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
How did you get estrogen at fourteen?
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Just informacy?
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Really? Yeah? Whoa, Okay, that's way different than the States.
Speaker 15 (09:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (09:52):
I think, like first we look feminine, and I think
maybe it's make you a little bit like moody.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
You know, okay, you started getting those womanly it's.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Like a woman happeriod, you know, like do.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
You get a period? It's possible. So at what age?
What was the earliest age you knew you wanted to
become a woman?
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Seven eight something like that?
Speaker 2 (10:18):
What was the thought that went through your head?
Speaker 7 (10:20):
I think I feel like even like when when I
was a kid, I still feeling like attractive to a man.
It can be gay, But like I don't know, is
what people design after what they want to be, because
like after fourteen, you can design what do you want
to be?
Speaker 2 (10:36):
That's a big decision, right, You're actually changing your gender.
Do you think you're ready to make that decision at
age fourteen?
Speaker 7 (10:43):
I think like maybe I'm not ready, but I think
like I'm not wrong.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Okay, Okay. Interesting you're saying if you were born again,
you would want to be born as you were and
then you changed.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
I want to be letty boy again.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
That's why you don't want to be a woman. You
want to be a ladyboy. Explain the difference.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (11:04):
I am some kind of the kid who like to
break the rule, like why women should be with women,
or why man should be with men or why man
should be with women? You know, I just think, like,
what if I'm a lady boys and I'm like, I
attract the guys and I have friends as a girls?
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Why not? And you have a penis?
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (11:23):
What is a woman?
Speaker 3 (11:25):
The woman is a feminine women, And I don't know.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
It's important to know that. Here in Thailand, the term
used for a lady boy is katoi. It describes the
gender identity distinctly different from both male and female, and
it's a concept that can be found all the way
back in ancient Northern Thai creation myths that describe three
genders male, female, and one that has traits of both.
(11:56):
While some believe katoi to have special shamanistic abilities, some
Buddhists believe lady boys are a consequence of some previous
sexual wrongdoing in the past. Life you're in Thailand, every
lady boy seems to be fully aware that they are
not women per se, but exists in a third category altogether.
Do you think part of the unique appeal of Eni
is how womanly she looks, yet she has a penis
(12:20):
and is a man. Yeah? Is that why you're interested?
In her like.
Speaker 13 (12:23):
I think many people are interested in the combination. You know,
it's like a new product of a woman. Basically, for me,
it's a little bit different story because I wasn't interested
in lady boys that much before I met GENI. Okay, yeah, yeah,
but many people are coming here because they're interested in
lady boys.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
I think what's interesting about you is they might be like, oh,
cute girl, Like then they tap the profile and then
they learn you weren't born a woman and you may
have a penis. Do you think that's part of that
whoa gotcha? To some of the guys that find you
on social or even the women.
Speaker 7 (13:01):
I think many people confuse, but like for now, people
are gonna remember that, like I'm not a woman. So
some people react, you know, like okay, that's cool. But
some people react differently like shaw tell me or just
being rude turned up to being rude. But some people
(13:21):
just like okay, they respect, but they don't like it,
so they just let me know.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
I don't worry with that, you know, I just like
just being normal.
Speaker 8 (13:29):
You know.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Do you think you've caused a lot of men to
question their sexuality? No, I don't think.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
I don't think that I make him understand.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
But he says he's into women. You have a penis,
which in my book is a critical part of a man.
So he's dating you. He says he's straight. We'll take
his word for it. But you have a penis. There's something,
If there's a spectrum, how would argue you're somewhere on
(13:59):
the gay end of things or bisexual? What would you say?
Speaker 13 (14:04):
Uh? I, I can consider that. Maybe straight can be
divided into categories. You know, I can consider that. But
am I gay?
Speaker 14 (14:13):
No?
Speaker 5 (14:13):
I'm not. I'm not interested in a man.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Because she looks like a man. You would not be attracted.
Speaker 5 (14:17):
To her exactly.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Yeah, if you're not at bottom, I would argue being
attracted to you, who is very feminine looking, is a
very straight thing.
Speaker 5 (14:29):
Maybe I can agree to that.
Speaker 13 (14:32):
Yeah, I'm doub she's about him.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Yeah, there you have it.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
What about couples?
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Uh like peg? Yeah? I would argue if you're pegging,
you might be more gay than you dating a man
who looks like a woman or a lady boy.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
Yeah, I can agree to that.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Yeah, you're basically like, I'm attracted to a beautiful woman.
My retort to that is okay, I agree, But if
she has a penis, is there some l it's a bisexuality,
more homosexuality.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
You know, it's a phoenix of a woman, not of
a man.
Speaker 16 (15:05):
See this is where things get interesting, right Yeah, and
I would argue back that if a guy out there
is getting pegged taking something up the buttes, that is
more gay than dating GINI.
Speaker 13 (15:17):
But also with begging right, like I don't know if
it's gay, like like it's a man in the woman.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Right, we'll move on since we're in front of the
temple and maybe getting a little bit sacrilegious. So we've
concluded that you would date a very feminine man.
Speaker 5 (15:32):
No, that's not what we concluded.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
In my mouth. So so okay, that means then in
your eyes, Sheeni is not a feminine man. She's she's
something different.
Speaker 13 (15:43):
He wore take in biological today, then yes, Genie is
a man, but you know it's a little bit more
complacent biology.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Like before Sheeni, did you only date women? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (15:52):
I only dated women.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Do you think you're gay?
Speaker 13 (15:56):
No, I don't think I'm gay. I mean I know
I'm not gay. I'm not attracted to my or mascular
features or anything. So Cheney is not a man to me, like,
I'm not dating a man, I'm dating a woman. I'm
dat in Cheney or you know, at least we can
say I'm dating trans women, I think. So, you know,
we get in lots of like hate comments, right, And
I think the majority of these people are very curious
because if if this keeps popping up on their feets,
(16:18):
you know, they want to watch it, so they I
think they questioned. Many men question their sexuality when they
see beautiful lady boys.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
You know, most of the men that have hit on
you historically, are they all straight? Of course, so you've
never had a gay man be interested in you?
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Gay men?
Speaker 7 (16:41):
Yeah, I think they have some resting in me that like,
I'm not not my style now, your style.
Speaker 5 (16:48):
Your type is trade man, right?
Speaker 2 (16:52):
My type is what is your preferred type?
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Like someone who are not into transgender.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
This is crazy? So what do you say to that.
Speaker 13 (17:02):
I can say I can see why, yeah, because, uh,
there are guys who are into trends, like who are
into lady boys, and they're like, uh, I think for
for lady boys, it's more appealing that if someone is straight,
you know.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
And you're happy.
Speaker 13 (17:18):
I don't think it's a big deal to be honest, Like,
I think people have the perception that is like a
big deal.
Speaker 5 (17:23):
It's like, oh, like you gay, You're not gay? Like
I feel fine.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
You know, for the record, if you're gay, who cares?
If you're gay, who cares? But it is an interesting conversation,
right if she had a vagina, would that change any
level of attraction you have to shini? Or did it
just so happened that CHENI had a penis?
Speaker 13 (17:41):
Yeah, like that would be the same. So I'm say, yeah,
of course, more more convenient for me for sure.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
This makes sense. Tonight we're gonna meet some of shiny
boys and lady boyfriends. I want to hear their story too.
After having a PhD level conversation on the complexities of
human sexuality, we pulled up to Bangkok's Red light district
to see if any lady boys were working the streets
and if so, why I mentioned, Yes, this is some
(18:08):
sex work. This is some of the more underground work.
Will we see many lady boys there? Ye're wow?
Speaker 3 (18:14):
But like most ladies girl?
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Oh really yeah? What can we find it? So a cowboy?
Speaker 11 (18:18):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (18:19):
Oh?
Speaker 13 (18:19):
The most discussing stuff in Bangkok? What do you mean
or the most delicious stuff depends on what you're like.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Okay, but doing you, I feel like it'd be right
up your ally.
Speaker 13 (18:31):
Yeah, like some people might like it, some people might
hate it.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
You know. Can you tell if you or what a
ping pong show is?
Speaker 5 (18:37):
Bin pong show?
Speaker 13 (18:39):
Oh yeah, bin pun show is another experience of banker
that very controversial.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
So I've heard it's where women use their vaginas to
conduct the unique art form and do all sorts of
acrobatics and archery and all sorts of stuff.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 13 (18:56):
Lots of foreigners sit there and watch women or form
all this crazy stuff with their vaginas.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (19:02):
And I've been there once. Actually, what you need? She
took me there and it's, uh, it's traumatizing.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
So I'm noticing some old men with some ladies. That's
sex WORKBA gym. Question for you guys, is anyone here
a lady boy? Okay, we're trying. We're trying to interview
like a lady boy, like your working lady boy over there. Okay,
thank you. Okay, So I noticed that was a bit
(19:30):
of an awkward question. He asked me, is anyone a
lady boy? I want to pay a lady boy for
an interview that's working the street right now? Howboy too? Okay,
there's about to thank you? Come come so sore?
Speaker 16 (19:49):
You just point out?
Speaker 2 (19:50):
What is I'm gonna interview a lady boy? Oh yeah,
all right, Hello, I'm trying to interview a working lady.
I'm here with world favorite. Yes. What is your name?
Alicas Alice? Yes, my name is Tyler. Good to meet
(20:11):
you too. Thank you for being a part of this.
Where are we at right now? Right now? Where are
we at? Where we are?
Speaker 10 (20:19):
Yeah, I'm working here for dancing or dancing sometime I will.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
I am all go be customer.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Yeah you are a lady boy? Yeah am yet? How
long have you been lady boyle? Young girl? How did
you end up working in red light districts?
Speaker 5 (20:41):
Two?
Speaker 10 (20:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Two years? Yes? Why follow my family? Is it? Is
it very common that that lady boys end up having
to work for their family on the streets. Yeah.
Speaker 10 (20:52):
I have to all give my knee for a family. Okay, yeah,
I take care of Emily.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
How are the cut? It's good? Good?
Speaker 10 (21:02):
Yeah, I think some customer not some somes.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
What what is most of your clients? What nationality are like? American, British,
Australian German and anything anything? And how long do you
think you'll continue working in the red Light District? How
much longer? I don't know.
Speaker 17 (21:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Yeah, now true? Are okay?
Speaker 4 (21:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Do you feel happy and accepted as a lady boy
as a lady boyd? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (21:30):
How hard behind m Red Barwin and Junkle?
Speaker 2 (21:34):
How you oh? Nyon nine years old?
Speaker 4 (21:37):
Yo?
Speaker 2 (21:37):
She said, was she's working in the red Light District
to provide for her family. Do you think most women
want to work out here or they kind of have to?
Speaker 7 (21:46):
You know women, most women who work in the bar,
they are kind of like look after the family, money
to the family and like to support.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
After getting a taste of the red Light District and
being threatened to have the cops sicked on me like dogs,
it was now time to relax with a few drinks
and meet up with Geni's entire squad of lady boy friends.
Do you take like estrogen? How did the transition process
actually work? I'm curious.
Speaker 11 (22:12):
I start to take I think maybe like sixteen years old?
Sixteen yeah, And I take like andocoakinoa to make myself
look like a girl. But I don't mind if like
the gay like me or like, you know, just love.
It is so easy to like to love someone or
(22:33):
something like that.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
I love became genderless for you? Do you still have
a penisis?
Speaker 4 (22:39):
What does that mean?
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Ah? How do I translate penis?
Speaker 16 (22:47):
D think?
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Okay? Okay?
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Penis okay?
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Okay? Do you have think? Yeah? I still have? Is
that a very common? Do most lady boys have? Dink? Yes?
The case my case?
Speaker 12 (23:00):
Yeah, fush you're up forshure lady buy always.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Like always have and have like big dig dick, big
dig so in your experience, most lady boys have massive schlungs.
Speaker 11 (23:10):
I I'm not sure, but for me, I'm a big
big eat it on estrogen but God gift for me,
you know, like have like beautiful fan but big big?
Speaker 2 (23:21):
How big? Is the ditch? Me your first?
Speaker 17 (23:24):
If you want to know, you want to know from
me if I was all like a gas station monar
pill maybe like maybe like uh man, if I'm feeling optimistic.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
We got'ta be like going down the road, you fucking.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
If you want to support our boots on the ground
independent journalism that is not bought and paid for by
corporate interests, along with exclusive DLC content that YouTube won't
let me upload and uncensored early access to all my
videos before they go off on YouTube. Go subscribe at
patreon dot com Tyler olivera for less than five bucks
a month. And now that's hear Julie's story on how
(24:05):
he became a she. You're twenty Yeah, okay, you're young.
You said you guys met at a beauty pageant.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Yeah, last two years ago.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 15 (24:14):
I feel like maybe they're love the way I walk,
the way I talk, the way I consider it myself.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
This is how the jot falling in love?
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Do you make a lot of men fall in love
with you?
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (24:26):
I guess so?
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Is that the case? You tell me? I don't know
what's going on in your DMS.
Speaker 15 (24:32):
Well, I got like maybe one thousand messays per day,
every single day.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
What are you? What do you consider yourself?
Speaker 15 (24:41):
I considered myself as an identity as a lady boy,
so I don't really mind. I know when I was born,
I was a male. Rite six one, I was a male.
So I'm so proud to call myself lady boy.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
When I look at you, I see lady Wow. Can
imagine there's a little bit of boy you haven't seen.
Speaker 15 (25:02):
You know what it looks like now is women, but
maybe when they have no clothes if you can.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
See think yes he knows? Mother, Yeah, Roman, Roman, What
lies in your future? What are your dreams? What are
your aspirations?
Speaker 4 (25:20):
I want to become a singer.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Can we hear a note? Perhaps?
Speaker 4 (25:25):
Oh my god?
Speaker 2 (25:26):
No pressure, might as well? Hell?
Speaker 14 (25:29):
Life short in a common home with my body pins
mess and I'll miss your chenting her and the way
you like to tress baby or want you coming over?
Speaker 4 (25:46):
Stop making a food?
Speaker 2 (25:48):
All the men?
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Why don't you common over that parade?
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Wow?
Speaker 16 (25:59):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (26:00):
I could you were quiet with it? But I could
hear the angelic tunes like that of an angel. Wow,
you have a nice voice. Would you have preferred to
be with the women rather than separated altogether?
Speaker 11 (26:11):
No?
Speaker 15 (26:12):
No, no, First, the way we're growing up, ladyby and
six women run completely different, completely different. And we should
not take the spade because Alburn's like it's different. We
should not take this spade for the real women.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
I see Americans love debating about that. Nissa and Nissa, Nissa,
what do you do for a living?
Speaker 12 (26:38):
In the past, in the last five years, I've been
a content creator, like more specifically in Oliphant's industry. And
now I shift my past to be a podcaster.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Okay, now you have me curious what people were most
interested in your in your your services.
Speaker 12 (26:57):
Probably those who are about their sexuality, you know, questioning
themselves like am I still straight if I into you know,
if I could turn it on by by this person?
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Yeah, that's that's basically how it starts.
Speaker 12 (27:13):
So there like are some dominance ones or the submissive
ones and the like to fulfill their kings, right, But
for me specifically, it's about them. Can I even say, well,
it's a to be honest, Well, I have a massive dick,
so and I have a bunch of colm just hit
(27:33):
on my face every time on every video.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
So that's how I.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Hope them you have a mega dink?
Speaker 3 (27:40):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Yeah, what are.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
We talking here? Are we talking twelve inches?
Speaker 3 (27:45):
I'm talking about seven point five.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
There's a lot of guys out there that are a
little bit jealous of you right now? Do you think
God wasted a gift on you given that you are
a lady boy or is it does it kind of
work out?
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Of course?
Speaker 12 (27:58):
Not think is a gift from God and it's like
it's meant to be. I mean I was born with this.
It could have been much harder life if I was
born with a micro penis.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Right, So you've used your dink to your advantage even
as a lady boy.
Speaker 12 (28:14):
Yeah, I mean it comes with a lot of sacrifice
as well. I think nowadays small open open for those
who look like a more masculine And what I mean
by sacrifice is that I have to stop using hormones
in order to get hard.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
It's like, if I can.
Speaker 12 (28:31):
I cannot maximize my femininity, my preference not to overly
use hormones otherwise I get like most swing you know, you've.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Had to find the balance between testosterone and estrogen and
your feminine features that you're gaining while retaining in your
other masculine features. On a personal level, have you dated
any straight men like our friend here? I love you.
Speaker 12 (29:02):
I mean most of my whole life, I only attract
treatments or guys who are into femininity.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
It's like a kink, you know.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Do you feel disrespected to be viewed as a kink
for some men?
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Well, it is a fact, though, so what can I do?
Speaker 18 (29:17):
You know?
Speaker 12 (29:17):
We are associate with the I mean sexual kind of
world anyway?
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Since the beginning.
Speaker 12 (29:23):
Those guys who defends themselves on social media, trust me,
those guys who make a bad comments, they're probably on
my olyfans.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
So I just keep doing minimal procedures.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
You like using your dink and being a lady boy
at the same time.
Speaker 12 (29:37):
Well, it's not like I like to use it most
of the case. I just use it for work.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
What do you mean by that?
Speaker 12 (29:43):
I'm not freaking another guy, So that's says, yeah, so
you don't need your drink.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
I mean I still like to be sucked.
Speaker 12 (29:51):
Right, It's like the instinct of biological male in me,
but it's been pressed out by the hormones.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Anyways, Emily, when did you become a lady boy?
Speaker 18 (30:01):
I would say that it's like a long story, just
the fact that when I was young, I have a
girl neighborhood, like a girlfriend something like that. They used
to play with the girl for the whole time when
it was so young.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
So I don't even know a boy.
Speaker 18 (30:13):
Yeah, it's kind of like asoff those feeling that, oh
my god, I want to be a lady.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
I want to be a girl. I want to have
a long hair like her.
Speaker 18 (30:20):
One day I think that I'm not a boy, but
I am a girl.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
What age did you think you were a girl?
Speaker 1 (30:25):
About like eight or nine something like that.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Yes, oh it's very young.
Speaker 18 (30:29):
Thankfully my family back then at that time they not
trying to stop me anything. But on the other hands,
they are more supportive. You know, it's not easy to
be a lady boy or to be something which is
not a man or woman.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
You know what I mean, I still have thick Yes,
you think about beverage.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Tell me some of the surgeries you've undergarden to look
more like a woman.
Speaker 18 (30:51):
To be honest, now today people are they are doing
a full hair surgery, which is like as a man's
like facial like scale.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Right, it's kind of like a bony fest.
Speaker 18 (31:04):
So they put like a silicon on their foreha to
look at more famine like a lady.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
That's what is very popular right now in Thailand.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Do you think there are some dangers associated with the
hormone usage?
Speaker 12 (31:14):
Absolutely following like a mental health issue. After that, it's
like you get mood swing and you know it's emotional,
easy to cry, easy to get mad, and sometimes especially
for those who don't have their community their friends to
share about this thing with. I mean that can be
really difficult for the person. I also, I don't believe
(31:36):
that parents, I mean, this is based on the US, right, Like,
I don't think the parents should push them their kids
their shout too hard to transition, you know, because you
know most of my friends they realize after they've been
using their their penis and they all of a sudden
(31:57):
they liked it, you know, but looking.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Like a lady boy and being a lady boy, but
also liked using their penis.
Speaker 12 (32:04):
Yeah, I mean, like I can feel also for those
who decided so early, rather it's for their own choice
or their family they regret after that.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
What each do you think is appropriate to start the
hormones and start a sex change operation? From your experience,
I think the.
Speaker 12 (32:22):
Hormones since many Thai Thai transgender reseat since very early, right,
I would say around eighteen. For the transition of course
should be after twenty period
God give for me, you know, like beautiful bad?
Speaker 2 (00:03):
These are lady boys. Ah, they're born with the penis,
they look like women, and they've been taking estrogen since
their teens. Am I looking at a man, woman or
an entirely new gender altogether? You be mom or dad?
Speaker 3 (00:18):
I can be both.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
What age did you think you were a girl?
Speaker 1 (00:22):
About? Like eight or nine?
Speaker 4 (00:24):
We should not take this spade for the real women.
Speaker 5 (00:26):
I'm top shits bottom? Am I gay?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
No? I'm not.
Speaker 5 (00:29):
I'm not interested in man.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Before I talked to lady boys myself, I pulled up
to Bangkok, Thailand, the capital of lady boys, to hear
what everyday people think about this cultural phenomenon and if
it differs from America's view of transgenders.
Speaker 6 (00:45):
No matter how many surgeries you have or chemicals you inject,
if you're born with male DNA and every shell, if
your body can never become a woman.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Would you be upset if your son became a lady boy?
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
What would you think? Cut that, cut up that tip?
Yes you would cry? Yes?
Speaker 7 (01:06):
Uh?
Speaker 8 (01:07):
Someone someone and young manga boy at the open being.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Good and okay, okay, God.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Down, I'm dying. I'm dying. How top on how I.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Will let them be what they want to be whatever.
I'mkay at all, I'm proudly okay, yes, and now you
can legally get married. Well I'm not gonna marry it. Okay,
that's a scam.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
No, I understand.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Okay.
Speaker 7 (01:36):
Now the world is opening, okay, opening, open world, and it's.
Speaker 9 (01:41):
It's not a problem at all, And like nowasday is
very acceptable because I think they are fun and they
are not bad people. They are they most of the
time they make benefits for the country.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
True, would you be happy or sad? I would say happy? Happy?
Speaker 10 (01:56):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Why, I have a lot of friends.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Lady boy really? Yes, you think she's pretty, lady boy?
Lady boy? Yeah, how do you know? I know? This
seems lady boy? Is that your final answer? Yes, sir,
it's a lady boy. Lady boy. How do you know?
But I look, uh, he's assuming in on her breasts. Yes,
(02:20):
it's beautiful though beautiful, Yes, yes she's Yes, she's pretty,
lady boy.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Beautiful.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Our lady boys culturally accepted here in Thailand or just tolerated.
Speaker 8 (02:31):
Yes, yes, yet hi u hi open of course mostly
except them.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Is there any stigma associated with lady boy?
Speaker 4 (02:40):
Not really too young.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
How many many good good and good many many.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
Yes, boy and boy.
Speaker 8 (02:51):
Is general in Thailand. Is normal for me in when
I'm in high school, I always have my my friend
that lady boy. I really love to work for them.
And then they already pay volleyball very nice, fast and
like a lady and but can put uh they heap
(03:14):
the bond very strong like man and they polite. They
I don't know, but I have good, good attitude. Yeah,
it's acceptable.
Speaker 9 (03:26):
I think most of the people can be like openly
like it's so saying that they.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
Are lady boy.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
It's not stigmatized or look down upon all.
Speaker 9 (03:35):
And like people like hanging out with lady boy or
so because they're fun and it's very open here.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Why do you think that is?
Speaker 1 (03:41):
I think because.
Speaker 9 (03:42):
Type people they have, Like many people come from many places,
and I think when you come from many players, right,
you want to see like the culture and.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
When the list and everything is very accepted.
Speaker 9 (03:54):
Because when we open for a new culture too, we
want to be ready to learn typing.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
But I'm not gonna take tang h but he d
have conj.
Speaker 6 (04:05):
Because here is a free, free country. People can come true,
come true, people live live. I am Chinese, I very
very like thailight and the type people.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Yeah. Do you know any lady boys?
Speaker 5 (04:18):
Yes, I have friends.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Really did they tell you like, hey, I'm lady boy?
Speaker 11 (04:23):
No?
Speaker 2 (04:24):
I think I really could know it by ourself. You
can tell. Would you be a lady boy in China?
Oh no, no, no, no, no no. Would you go to
jail get killed?
Speaker 6 (04:34):
We can, we can kill the boy very cute or
heirs looking like like a girl, but he.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
As boy, he's no boy, no transgender.
Speaker 8 (04:45):
Yeah, some of people in Thailand still not accept the
lady boy, but most other people in Thailand accept them, okay,
like they are a human.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Also bangkrk your mark?
Speaker 12 (05:00):
Hey, hey, okay, toy bangkok.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Hey hei yech hi okay okay.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Would you date a lady boy? No? No, no, okay.
Would you date huh just curly in a relationship? I
would not. I would not personally if I knew, too
bad for you, But I think four or five drinks
I wouldn't be able to tell. After seemingly unanimous tolerance
of the concept of lady boys out here, it was
time to meet one of the most famous lady boys
in Thailand.
Speaker 7 (05:35):
That's right, lady boy Thailand. Welcome to Bangkok, and.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
I want to bring your boyfriend from the back here. Roman,
come on in. This man interviewed you and now he's
dating you. How long have you guys been dating? Roman
saying hi hi Hi.
Speaker 13 (05:47):
Yeah, we're dating for a while now and we're very
happy together.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Were you surprised you guys became a thing? Did you
know you were into lady boys? Is that and is
that offensive?
Speaker 3 (05:59):
I think he into lady boys? But like, uh, yeah,
because you have girl?
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Yeah? Are you straight? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (06:08):
I'm straight. I'm straight and I'm dating Gina.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Viewers, do we agree with that statement? Do you think
there's any dissonance with that statement? Does that make sense?
Speaker 14 (06:17):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (06:17):
I think it.
Speaker 13 (06:18):
Makes sense if you think about it a little bit longer,
like it's a little bit can be controversial, but I
consider myself straight.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
But before we debate Roman sexuality, I want to hear
about how Shinny went from being a man to a
lady boy and what that even means. Real quick, have
you ever gotten in a car crash that wasn't your
fault or gotten hurt at work? Your injury could be
worth millions, but insurance companies often low ball their clients.
If you become Morgan and Morgan's clients, and they'll fight
(06:47):
to get you the compensation that you deserve. Fighting big
companies takes a big law firm, and as America's largest
injury law firm, they're ready to take on insurance companies
of every size, and Morgan I Morgan is so simple.
You can submit a claim and communicate with your legal
team all through your smartphone. All law firms are not
the same, and Morgan and Morgan is the biggest for
(07:08):
a reason. They've won a lot. They achieved significant verdicts
in the past couple of months for victims involved in
life altering car crashes, such as twelve million dollars in
Florida thirty four times the highest insurance offer and twenty
six million dollars in Philadelphia forty times the highest insurance offer,
and you don't have to pay them anything unless you win. Oftentimes,
(07:29):
insurance companies have an army that fight to give you
the least amount possible. If you work with Morgan and Morgan,
they'll fight to get back what you deserve, and they've
already won over twenty five billion dollars for their clients.
So you can start your claim now with Morgan and
Morgan at www dot for thepeople dot com slash Tyler
olivera link in description, or you can scan the QBR
(07:51):
code here on screen using your phone's camera. Thanks Morgan, Morgan.
Back to lady boys, When did you transition genders?
Speaker 7 (07:57):
I think a translation when I was like save like
fifteen fourteen something like that, and then but I already
know myself, like even like I'm not taking hormone yet,
I already know like, oh I am a woman, you know,
like this is my energy when I.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Was a kid.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
So you know what did mom and dad say?
Speaker 7 (08:16):
They are support me, They don't stop me, but they
one time they asked me if I want to have
kid or I want to have family or something like that.
But I say, like, no, I'm a woman something like that.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
So I still have the machinery to create a child.
You could have breakn a woman. Maybe in the future
you could still have a family if you so desire.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
I think, yes, I don't need to be that. I
can be mom.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Okay, would you be mom or dad?
Speaker 3 (08:40):
I can be both.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
I think a lot of the viewers looking at you
are like, that's a pretty girl. But you're not a girl.
How did you get to this point? How is this possible?
How are you possible?
Speaker 7 (08:51):
I think, you know, maybe it's because of like how
I you know, taking care of myself. You know, some
lady boys or some gender in Thailand, they just you know,
some of them don't take hormons, so they don't look
feminine at all because they.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Prefer to be like that.
Speaker 7 (09:09):
But for me, I prefer to look feminine to looking
like a woman and attract a man.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
At what age did you start taking.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Hormones when I was fourteen?
Speaker 11 (09:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Fourteen? What did your parents say about that?
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Actually?
Speaker 7 (09:23):
I didn't ask because, like I know, district from my
my you know, my friend from high school, and they
just tell me like, oh, okay, if you take this,
it's gonna make you look pretty, it's gonna make you
like more feminine, and like why not I want to
look feminine?
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Sure, So they just take it.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
And then the rest is history.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Yeah I can. I can have booth as well.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
How did you get estrogen at fourteen?
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Just informacy?
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Really? Yeah? Whoa, Okay, that's way different than the States.
Speaker 15 (09:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (09:52):
I think, like first we look feminine, and I think
maybe it's make you a little bit like moody.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
You know, okay, you started getting those womanly it's.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Like a woman happeriod, you know, like do.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
You get a period? It's possible. So at what age?
What was the earliest age you knew you wanted to
become a woman?
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Seven eight something like that?
Speaker 2 (10:18):
What was the thought that went through your head?
Speaker 7 (10:20):
I think I feel like even like when when I
was a kid, I still feeling like attractive to a man.
It can be gay, But like I don't know, is
what people design after what they want to be, because
like after fourteen, you can design what do you want
to be?
Speaker 2 (10:36):
That's a big decision, right, You're actually changing your gender.
Do you think you're ready to make that decision at
age fourteen?
Speaker 7 (10:43):
I think like maybe I'm not ready, but I think
like I'm not wrong.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Okay, Okay. Interesting you're saying if you were born again,
you would want to be born as you were and
then you changed.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
I want to be letty boy again.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
That's why you don't want to be a woman. You
want to be a ladyboy. Explain the difference.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (11:04):
I am some kind of the kid who like to
break the rule, like why women should be with women,
or why man should be with men or why man
should be with women? You know, I just think, like,
what if I'm a lady boys and I'm like, I
attract the guys and I have friends as a girls?
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Why not? And you have a penis?
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (11:23):
What is a woman?
Speaker 3 (11:25):
The woman is a feminine women, And I don't know.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
It's important to know that. Here in Thailand, the term
used for a lady boy is katoi. It describes the
gender identity distinctly different from both male and female, and
it's a concept that can be found all the way
back in ancient Northern Thai creation myths that describe three
genders male, female, and one that has traits of both.
(11:56):
While some believe katoi to have special shamanistic abilities, some
Buddhists believe lady boys are a consequence of some previous
sexual wrongdoing in the past. Life you're in Thailand, every
lady boy seems to be fully aware that they are
not women per se, but exists in a third category altogether.
Do you think part of the unique appeal of Eni
is how womanly she looks, yet she has a penis
(12:20):
and is a man. Yeah? Is that why you're interested?
In her like.
Speaker 13 (12:23):
I think many people are interested in the combination. You know,
it's like a new product of a woman. Basically, for me,
it's a little bit different story because I wasn't interested
in lady boys that much before I met GENI. Okay, yeah, yeah,
but many people are coming here because they're interested in
lady boys.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
I think what's interesting about you is they might be like, oh,
cute girl, Like then they tap the profile and then
they learn you weren't born a woman and you may
have a penis. Do you think that's part of that
whoa gotcha? To some of the guys that find you
on social or even the women.
Speaker 7 (13:01):
I think many people confuse, but like for now, people
are gonna remember that, like I'm not a woman. So
some people react, you know, like okay, that's cool. But
some people react differently like shaw tell me or just
being rude turned up to being rude. But some people
(13:21):
just like okay, they respect, but they don't like it,
so they just let me know.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
I don't worry with that, you know, I just like
just being normal.
Speaker 8 (13:29):
You know.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Do you think you've caused a lot of men to
question their sexuality? No, I don't think.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
I don't think that I make him understand.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
But he says he's into women. You have a penis,
which in my book is a critical part of a man.
So he's dating you. He says he's straight. We'll take
his word for it. But you have a penis. There's something,
If there's a spectrum, how would argue you're somewhere on
(13:59):
the gay end of things or bisexual? What would you say?
Speaker 13 (14:04):
Uh? I, I can consider that. Maybe straight can be
divided into categories. You know, I can consider that. But
am I gay?
Speaker 14 (14:13):
No?
Speaker 5 (14:13):
I'm not. I'm not interested in a man.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Because she looks like a man. You would not be attracted.
Speaker 5 (14:17):
To her exactly.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Yeah, if you're not at bottom, I would argue being
attracted to you, who is very feminine looking, is a
very straight thing.
Speaker 5 (14:29):
Maybe I can agree to that.
Speaker 13 (14:32):
Yeah, I'm doub she's about him.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Yeah, there you have it.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
What about couples?
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Uh like peg? Yeah? I would argue if you're pegging,
you might be more gay than you dating a man
who looks like a woman or a lady boy.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
Yeah, I can agree to that.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Yeah, you're basically like, I'm attracted to a beautiful woman.
My retort to that is okay, I agree, But if
she has a penis, is there some l it's a bisexuality,
more homosexuality.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
You know, it's a phoenix of a woman, not of
a man.
Speaker 16 (15:05):
See this is where things get interesting, right Yeah, and
I would argue back that if a guy out there
is getting pegged taking something up the buttes, that is
more gay than dating GINI.
Speaker 13 (15:17):
But also with begging right, like I don't know if
it's gay, like like it's a man in the woman.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Right, we'll move on since we're in front of the
temple and maybe getting a little bit sacrilegious. So we've
concluded that you would date a very feminine man.
Speaker 5 (15:32):
No, that's not what we concluded.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
In my mouth. So so okay, that means then in
your eyes, Sheeni is not a feminine man. She's she's
something different.
Speaker 13 (15:43):
He wore take in biological today, then yes, Genie is
a man, but you know it's a little bit more
complacent biology.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Like before Sheeni, did you only date women? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (15:52):
I only dated women.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Do you think you're gay?
Speaker 13 (15:56):
No, I don't think I'm gay. I mean I know
I'm not gay. I'm not attracted to my or mascular
features or anything. So Cheney is not a man to me, like,
I'm not dating a man, I'm dating a woman. I'm
dat in Cheney or you know, at least we can
say I'm dating trans women, I think. So, you know,
we get in lots of like hate comments, right, And
I think the majority of these people are very curious
because if if this keeps popping up on their feets,
(16:18):
you know, they want to watch it, so they I
think they questioned. Many men question their sexuality when they
see beautiful lady boys.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
You know, most of the men that have hit on
you historically, are they all straight? Of course, so you've
never had a gay man be interested in you?
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Gay men?
Speaker 7 (16:41):
Yeah, I think they have some resting in me that like,
I'm not not my style now, your style.
Speaker 5 (16:48):
Your type is trade man, right?
Speaker 2 (16:52):
My type is what is your preferred type?
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Like someone who are not into transgender.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
This is crazy? So what do you say to that.
Speaker 13 (17:02):
I can say I can see why, yeah, because, uh,
there are guys who are into trends, like who are
into lady boys, and they're like, uh, I think for
for lady boys, it's more appealing that if someone is straight,
you know.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
And you're happy.
Speaker 13 (17:18):
I don't think it's a big deal to be honest, Like,
I think people have the perception that is like a
big deal.
Speaker 5 (17:23):
It's like, oh, like you gay, You're not gay? Like
I feel fine.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
You know, for the record, if you're gay, who cares?
If you're gay, who cares? But it is an interesting conversation,
right if she had a vagina, would that change any
level of attraction you have to shini? Or did it
just so happened that CHENI had a penis?
Speaker 13 (17:41):
Yeah, like that would be the same. So I'm say, yeah,
of course, more more convenient for me for sure.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
This makes sense. Tonight we're gonna meet some of shiny
boys and lady boyfriends. I want to hear their story too.
After having a PhD level conversation on the complexities of
human sexuality, we pulled up to Bangkok's Red light district
to see if any lady boys were working the streets
and if so, why I mentioned, Yes, this is some
(18:08):
sex work. This is some of the more underground work.
Will we see many lady boys there? Ye're wow?
Speaker 3 (18:14):
But like most ladies girl?
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Oh really yeah? What can we find it? So a cowboy?
Speaker 11 (18:18):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (18:19):
Oh?
Speaker 13 (18:19):
The most discussing stuff in Bangkok? What do you mean
or the most delicious stuff depends on what you're like.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Okay, but doing you, I feel like it'd be right
up your ally.
Speaker 13 (18:31):
Yeah, like some people might like it, some people might
hate it.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
You know. Can you tell if you or what a
ping pong show is?
Speaker 5 (18:37):
Bin pong show?
Speaker 13 (18:39):
Oh yeah, bin pun show is another experience of banker
that very controversial.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
So I've heard it's where women use their vaginas to
conduct the unique art form and do all sorts of
acrobatics and archery and all sorts of stuff.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 13 (18:56):
Lots of foreigners sit there and watch women or form
all this crazy stuff with their vaginas.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (19:02):
And I've been there once. Actually, what you need? She
took me there and it's, uh, it's traumatizing.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
So I'm noticing some old men with some ladies. That's
sex WORKBA gym. Question for you guys, is anyone here
a lady boy? Okay, we're trying. We're trying to interview
like a lady boy, like your working lady boy over there. Okay,
thank you. Okay, So I noticed that was a bit
(19:30):
of an awkward question. He asked me, is anyone a
lady boy? I want to pay a lady boy for
an interview that's working the street right now? Howboy too? Okay,
there's about to thank you? Come come so sore?
Speaker 16 (19:49):
You just point out?
Speaker 2 (19:50):
What is I'm gonna interview a lady boy? Oh yeah,
all right, Hello, I'm trying to interview a working lady.
I'm here with world favorite. Yes. What is your name?
Alicas Alice? Yes, my name is Tyler. Good to meet
(20:11):
you too. Thank you for being a part of this.
Where are we at right now? Right now? Where are
we at? Where we are?
Speaker 10 (20:19):
Yeah, I'm working here for dancing or dancing sometime I will.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
I am all go be customer.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Yeah you are a lady boy? Yeah am yet? How
long have you been lady boyle? Young girl? How did
you end up working in red light districts?
Speaker 5 (20:41):
Two?
Speaker 10 (20:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Two years? Yes? Why follow my family? Is it? Is
it very common that that lady boys end up having
to work for their family on the streets. Yeah.
Speaker 10 (20:52):
I have to all give my knee for a family. Okay, yeah,
I take care of Emily.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
How are the cut? It's good? Good?
Speaker 10 (21:02):
Yeah, I think some customer not some somes.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
What what is most of your clients? What nationality are like? American, British,
Australian German and anything anything? And how long do you
think you'll continue working in the red Light District? How
much longer? I don't know.
Speaker 17 (21:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Yeah, now true? Are okay?
Speaker 4 (21:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Do you feel happy and accepted as a lady boy
as a lady boyd? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (21:30):
How hard behind m Red Barwin and Junkle?
Speaker 2 (21:34):
How you oh? Nyon nine years old?
Speaker 4 (21:37):
Yo?
Speaker 2 (21:37):
She said, was she's working in the red Light District
to provide for her family. Do you think most women
want to work out here or they kind of have to?
Speaker 7 (21:46):
You know women, most women who work in the bar,
they are kind of like look after the family, money
to the family and like to support.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
After getting a taste of the red Light District and
being threatened to have the cops sicked on me like dogs,
it was now time to relax with a few drinks
and meet up with Geni's entire squad of lady boy friends.
Do you take like estrogen? How did the transition process
actually work? I'm curious.
Speaker 11 (22:12):
I start to take I think maybe like sixteen years old?
Sixteen yeah, And I take like andocoakinoa to make myself
look like a girl. But I don't mind if like
the gay like me or like, you know, just love.
It is so easy to like to love someone or
(22:33):
something like that.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
I love became genderless for you? Do you still have
a penisis?
Speaker 4 (22:39):
What does that mean?
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Ah? How do I translate penis?
Speaker 16 (22:47):
D think?
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Okay? Okay?
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Penis okay?
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Okay? Do you have think? Yeah? I still have? Is
that a very common? Do most lady boys have? Dink? Yes?
The case my case?
Speaker 12 (23:00):
Yeah, fush you're up forshure lady buy always.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Like always have and have like big dig dick, big
dig so in your experience, most lady boys have massive schlungs.
Speaker 11 (23:10):
I I'm not sure, but for me, I'm a big
big eat it on estrogen but God gift for me,
you know, like have like beautiful fan but big big?
Speaker 2 (23:21):
How big? Is the ditch? Me your first?
Speaker 17 (23:24):
If you want to know, you want to know from
me if I was all like a gas station monar
pill maybe like maybe like uh man, if I'm feeling optimistic.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
We got'ta be like going down the road, you fucking.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
If you want to support our boots on the ground
independent journalism that is not bought and paid for by
corporate interests, along with exclusive DLC content that YouTube won't
let me upload and uncensored early access to all my
videos before they go off on YouTube. Go subscribe at
patreon dot com Tyler olivera for less than five bucks
a month. And now that's hear Julie's story on how
(24:05):
he became a she. You're twenty Yeah, okay, you're young.
You said you guys met at a beauty pageant.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Yeah, last two years ago.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 15 (24:14):
I feel like maybe they're love the way I walk,
the way I talk, the way I consider it myself.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
This is how the jot falling in love?
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Do you make a lot of men fall in love
with you?
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (24:26):
I guess so?
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Is that the case? You tell me? I don't know
what's going on in your DMS.
Speaker 15 (24:32):
Well, I got like maybe one thousand messays per day,
every single day.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
What are you? What do you consider yourself?
Speaker 15 (24:41):
I considered myself as an identity as a lady boy,
so I don't really mind. I know when I was born,
I was a male. Rite six one, I was a male.
So I'm so proud to call myself lady boy.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
When I look at you, I see lady Wow. Can
imagine there's a little bit of boy you haven't seen.
Speaker 15 (25:02):
You know what it looks like now is women, but
maybe when they have no clothes if you can.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
See think yes he knows? Mother, Yeah, Roman, Roman, What
lies in your future? What are your dreams? What are
your aspirations?
Speaker 4 (25:20):
I want to become a singer.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Can we hear a note? Perhaps?
Speaker 4 (25:25):
Oh my god?
Speaker 2 (25:26):
No pressure, might as well? Hell?
Speaker 14 (25:29):
Life short in a common home with my body pins
mess and I'll miss your chenting her and the way
you like to tress baby or want you coming over?
Speaker 4 (25:46):
Stop making a food?
Speaker 2 (25:48):
All the men?
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Why don't you common over that parade?
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Wow?
Speaker 16 (25:59):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (26:00):
I could you were quiet with it? But I could
hear the angelic tunes like that of an angel. Wow,
you have a nice voice. Would you have preferred to
be with the women rather than separated altogether?
Speaker 11 (26:11):
No?
Speaker 15 (26:12):
No, no, First, the way we're growing up, ladyby and
six women run completely different, completely different. And we should
not take the spade because Alburn's like it's different. We
should not take this spade for the real women.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
I see Americans love debating about that. Nissa and Nissa, Nissa,
what do you do for a living?
Speaker 12 (26:38):
In the past, in the last five years, I've been
a content creator, like more specifically in Oliphant's industry. And
now I shift my past to be a podcaster.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Okay, now you have me curious what people were most
interested in your in your your services.
Speaker 12 (26:57):
Probably those who are about their sexuality, you know, questioning
themselves like am I still straight if I into you know,
if I could turn it on by by this person?
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Yeah, that's that's basically how it starts.
Speaker 12 (27:13):
So there like are some dominance ones or the submissive
ones and the like to fulfill their kings, right, But
for me specifically, it's about them. Can I even say, well,
it's a to be honest, Well, I have a massive dick,
so and I have a bunch of colm just hit
(27:33):
on my face every time on every video.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
So that's how I.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Hope them you have a mega dink?
Speaker 3 (27:40):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Yeah, what are.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
We talking here? Are we talking twelve inches?
Speaker 3 (27:45):
I'm talking about seven point five.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
There's a lot of guys out there that are a
little bit jealous of you right now? Do you think
God wasted a gift on you given that you are
a lady boy or is it does it kind of
work out?
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Of course?
Speaker 12 (27:58):
Not think is a gift from God and it's like
it's meant to be. I mean I was born with this.
It could have been much harder life if I was
born with a micro penis.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Right, So you've used your dink to your advantage even
as a lady boy.
Speaker 12 (28:14):
Yeah, I mean it comes with a lot of sacrifice
as well. I think nowadays small open open for those
who look like a more masculine And what I mean
by sacrifice is that I have to stop using hormones
in order to get hard.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
It's like, if I can.
Speaker 12 (28:31):
I cannot maximize my femininity, my preference not to overly
use hormones otherwise I get like most swing you know, you've.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Had to find the balance between testosterone and estrogen and
your feminine features that you're gaining while retaining in your
other masculine features. On a personal level, have you dated
any straight men like our friend here? I love you.
Speaker 12 (29:02):
I mean most of my whole life, I only attract
treatments or guys who are into femininity.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
It's like a kink, you know.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Do you feel disrespected to be viewed as a kink
for some men?
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Well, it is a fact, though, so what can I do?
Speaker 18 (29:17):
You know?
Speaker 12 (29:17):
We are associate with the I mean sexual kind of
world anyway?
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Since the beginning.
Speaker 12 (29:23):
Those guys who defends themselves on social media, trust me,
those guys who make a bad comments, they're probably on
my olyfans.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
So I just keep doing minimal procedures.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
You like using your dink and being a lady boy
at the same time.
Speaker 12 (29:37):
Well, it's not like I like to use it most
of the case. I just use it for work.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
What do you mean by that?
Speaker 12 (29:43):
I'm not freaking another guy, So that's says, yeah, so
you don't need your drink.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
I mean I still like to be sucked.
Speaker 12 (29:51):
Right, It's like the instinct of biological male in me,
but it's been pressed out by the hormones.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Anyways, Emily, when did you become a lady boy?
Speaker 18 (30:01):
I would say that it's like a long story, just
the fact that when I was young, I have a
girl neighborhood, like a girlfriend something like that. They used
to play with the girl for the whole time when
it was so young.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
So I don't even know a boy.
Speaker 18 (30:13):
Yeah, it's kind of like asoff those feeling that, oh
my god, I want to be a lady.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
I want to be a girl. I want to have
a long hair like her.
Speaker 18 (30:20):
One day I think that I'm not a boy, but
I am a girl.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
What age did you think you were a girl?
Speaker 1 (30:25):
About like eight or nine something like that.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Yes, oh it's very young.
Speaker 18 (30:29):
Thankfully my family back then at that time they not
trying to stop me anything. But on the other hands,
they are more supportive. You know, it's not easy to
be a lady boy or to be something which is
not a man or woman.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
You know what I mean, I still have thick Yes,
you think about beverage.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Tell me some of the surgeries you've undergarden to look
more like a woman.
Speaker 18 (30:51):
To be honest, now today people are they are doing
a full hair surgery, which is like as a man's
like facial like scale.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Right, it's kind of like a bony fest.
Speaker 18 (31:04):
So they put like a silicon on their foreha to
look at more famine like a lady.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
That's what is very popular right now in Thailand.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Do you think there are some dangers associated with the
hormone usage?
Speaker 12 (31:14):
Absolutely following like a mental health issue. After that, it's
like you get mood swing and you know it's emotional,
easy to cry, easy to get mad, and sometimes especially
for those who don't have their community their friends to
share about this thing with. I mean that can be
really difficult for the person. I also, I don't believe
(31:36):
that parents, I mean, this is based on the US, right, Like,
I don't think the parents should push them their kids
their shout too hard to transition, you know, because you
know most of my friends they realize after they've been
using their their penis and they all of a sudden
(31:57):
they liked it, you know, but looking.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Like a lady boy and being a lady boy, but
also liked using their penis.
Speaker 12 (32:04):
Yeah, I mean, like I can feel also for those
who decided so early, rather it's for their own choice
or their family they regret after that.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
What each do you think is appropriate to start the
hormones and start a sex change operation? From your experience,
I think the.
Speaker 12 (32:22):
Hormones since many Thai Thai transgender reseat since very early, right,
I would say around eighteen. For the transition of course
should be after twenty period
Popular Podcasts
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Football’s funniest family duo — Jason Kelce of the Philadelphia Eagles and Travis Kelce of the Kansas City Chiefs — team up to provide next-level access to life in the league as it unfolds. The two brothers and Super Bowl champions drop weekly insights about the weekly slate of games and share their INSIDE perspectives on trending NFL news and sports headlines. They also endlessly rag on each other as brothers do, chat the latest in pop culture and welcome some very popular and well-known friends to chat with them. Check out new episodes every Wednesday. Follow New Heights on the Wondery App, YouTube or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to new episodes early and ad-free, and get exclusive content on Wondery+. Join Wondery+ in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts or Spotify. And join our new membership for a unique fan experience by going to the New Heights YouTube channel now!
24/7 News: The Latest
The latest news in 4 minutes updated every hour, every day.