December 7, 2024 • 30 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Canada where the government will help you kill yourself.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Since twenty sixteen, forty five thousand people have been killed
using me.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
A doctor that works in the hospital approach me and
ask if I had ever considered asking for me. I
was just asking for them to do something about the
paint I draw.
Speaker 4 (00:17):
Rather, it saves a maritas that response. It's to say, well,
how arrow we offer you. There's choice to your a
your life.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
I have a lot to live for.
Speaker 5 (00:30):
I'm not giving up, and to even offer me that
option is insulting.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
I've been in the place that a lot of people
who want mate have been in, where they just want
it for an ending. They're like, I've suffered enough, I'm done,
i can't do this anymore. And I repeatedly, I think
it's three times asked you about organ donations which you
are literally too poor to live. Let us get take
your organs, and you saved us eighty six million dollars.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Since twenty sixteen, Canada legalized euthanasia for those suffering terminal
illnesses with reasonably foreseeable debts. They called it medical assistance
in Dying made and in twenty twenty one, Canada controversially
amended the law to extend MADE to people suffering from
a grievous or irremediable condition that have no risk of
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a foreseeable death, and in twenty twenty two made use
increase thirty one percent, with thirteen two hundred and forty
one MADE deaths accounting for four point one percent of
all deaths in Canada that year. But with the weight
times to have the government help you unlive yourself being
shorter than the wait time to receive pain treatment, long
term care and other medical support aim to improve the
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quality of life for people with serious illnesses, many Canadians
fear the government is making it easier to die than
to receive the medical care that the disabled, elderly, and
mentally ill.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Need non contributing members of society, So the homeless are
being targeted, elderly are being targeted, mentally ill are being targeted.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
Allowing the state to make decisions vote who should live
and who should die.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
You don't know what kind of monster you're likely to
conjure up doing that.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
But why is Canada helping more people end their lives
more than any other country on earth? Is made a
program to give those who are suffering a more dignified death,
or is MADE a dystopian eugenics program designed to kill
those stressing Canada's overburdened socialized healthcare system. I hit the
streets of Toronto to see what Canadians think about MADE
and who should qualify to be able to die. Any
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thoughts on medically assisted death here in Canada?
Speaker 6 (02:26):
I mean, I think under the right circumstances. Yeah, I've
lost a family member to it, but it's a different
type of grieving.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
But yeah, hey, if.
Speaker 7 (02:36):
That's what you want, I guess, go for it. If
you got some mental illness, maybe that should be something
that we look closer at. But especially for older people
like you know, if you want to go, you have
ever right too if you want.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
What about a minor? Not a minor, I.
Speaker 7 (02:47):
Would think you definitely need to be able to, you know,
legally make your own decisions.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Say I'm depressed and I go to the state and say, hey,
I want you to kill me? You grew with that?
Or too far? Too far far?
Speaker 8 (02:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Good? Or a bad thing? Good? You think it should
only be accessible to terminal illnesses or mental illnesses as
well illnesses? What was the situation you lost your family
member too?
Speaker 6 (03:05):
In that context, I cancer when you know it's terminal.
She fought eighteen years of a phenomenal fight, but you
gets to the point.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Where you just want to be on your way with dignity.
Speaker 6 (03:16):
And I think it was a difficult thing for those
left behind, but an important thing to be available to her.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Do you think she died any more dignified death in
her opinion than she would have otherwise?
Speaker 6 (03:26):
One hundred percent, because she was in her full capacity
and she made her own decisions on that.
Speaker 9 (03:31):
It's a bad thing.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Bad thing personally, I don't agree with it.
Speaker 9 (03:34):
When somebody is in that state in their life, they
shouldn't have to decide on things like this.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
They're not in a mental position to make a competent decision.
Speaker 9 (03:42):
In general, I think for we human we shouldn't encourage
this sort of behavior. It'll probably just bring some other
problems in the society.
Speaker 10 (03:51):
I mean, I agree with some people maybe you don't
want to live because they are in bad conditions, so
I think it's good that they can decide.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Let's say I have an illness and mental illness like
severe depression. Do you think I should be able to
end my own life via the state I don't think.
Speaker 10 (04:04):
So, because maybe with that you can and builds you
can improve. But it's different if you are like in
bad conditions physically.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
It's horrible, horrible Yeah, undecided.
Speaker 11 (04:16):
Yeah, but I think it makes someone happy and they
choose it, I would be a comfortable business their decision.
If someone saying, YO, do this, I'll be questioning that
across the tent behind it.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Right.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Do you think your Canadian tax dollars should fund the
program that is killing Canadians.
Speaker 11 (04:29):
Any position like that?
Speaker 1 (04:31):
No, of course not.
Speaker 8 (04:31):
No.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Yeah, I guess that's funny. See state funded uton Asia
then right?
Speaker 11 (04:35):
Yeah, probably not, Like if there is a choice, maybe
it'd be more privatized.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (04:40):
I feel like I text all these communities for something
way better than what's going on right now.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Do you support state funded euthanasia? I do? Yes. What
if I'm like severely depressed, do you think I should
qualify to go die by the state?
Speaker 4 (04:51):
No?
Speaker 12 (04:52):
I think you should help people for that tanasia only
for people who are very sick or you know, terminal.
Speaker 7 (04:59):
It depends again, like it's case by case.
Speaker 12 (05:01):
You know, if you're like twenty four, that's really young,
and you know, like, I think that we need to
look at if this person is wanting to commit, then
we need to look at mental health issues, not just
let's just kill each other.
Speaker 8 (05:17):
I don't know. I think that it's being used in
the wrong way in many instances. I think now it's
getting applied in situations where I don't think it should
be so financial hardship, most especially mental illness, but especially
financial hardship. I've heard of some stories where people just
hand to mouth and they can't get out of it,
and this is being proposed to the miss An option,
and I just think it's disgusting in that way.
Speaker 13 (05:38):
So yeah, I think in general it can be a
good thing. I think it's been probably overextended with a
little oversight.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Do you think it's being offered to people who perhaps
should not be offered death.
Speaker 13 (05:48):
That's a difficult thing to ascertain because I do think
that people do have agency and should have a lot
of say in their own matter. It's just a question
of probably needs to be better vetted by regulatory bodies,
in this case only physicians.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
And do you think it should be state funded? Last
question for it.
Speaker 13 (06:03):
We do have a healthcare system that is state funded,
so if done appropriately, yes, do.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
You think given that Pandora's box is open here, that
it'll be sold to certain individuals as a quick fix.
Speaker 8 (06:14):
I mean, my understanding is that it already has been,
you know, instead of providing a more holistic and more
compassionate approach because I think it might be a quick fix.
I think if you have a terminal illness and that's
an option you want to take advantage of, I think,
more power to you. But I just think that it's
been pushed in ways that it shouldn't be.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
So a government program where I can die if I
want to die, if I get two doctors to sign off,
go to bed, I think it's good.
Speaker 14 (06:40):
Yeah, I mean I feel like it should be someone's choice.
They're right, if you don't want to live in a
body that doesn't work anymore, it should be your right
to be able to go. So yeah, I think it's
a personal choice. I mean, it's not for everybody, obviously,
but I'm telling you what I see in a long
term care home.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
It's pretty sad.
Speaker 14 (06:54):
I don't want to live like that. I don't want
to be able to not know if I'm hungry or feeding.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Myself, taking care of myself.
Speaker 14 (07:01):
So I think it is a good thing, and I hope.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
We keep it. That's track one obviously, right, that's the
terminal illness. But do you think that should extend to
let's say, mental illnesses like severe depression or something like that.
Speaker 14 (07:10):
Yeah, I think it should include that to certain degrees,
with like lots of peer review, more than one doctor,
lots of information thrown at it. Be forty your decisions made.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Yeah? What about those who are not terminally ill but
still want to die? Let me introduce you to Mitchell,
a forty two year old man who's considered made as
an option to escape his mental illnesses and financial destitution.
We're here discussing Maid. How did you get acquainted with Maid?
Tell me a little bit about your story. You kind
of start at point zero. Sure.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
The first time I learned about Maid was about four
years ago. I was living in an absolute slum and
had black mold a foot up the walls. My cat
was really sick. My landlord was extremely abusive. He would
knock on the window with a machete. We were rated
by police twice. Where I'm sending my boxers being searched
and my room's being searched, and I didn't know why,
and I was paying six hundred dollars a month Canadian
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for that place. And eventually I hit a breaking point
and I learned about MADE and I started to fantasize
about it. I was like, that's my release. I can't
do it myself. I've had passive suicidy most of my life,
so I haven't been able to act on it. And
I was like, well, that's my way out. So I
started writing letters and I started getting myself ready to apply.
So I didn't get the documents. There was nothing print that.
They were still kind of laying out the rules and
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they would have had it printed out by them, but
they postponed it, like the week before, for two years.
So twenty twenty seven, March seventeenth is when Made for
Solely Mental Illness will come into play. Tracks back to
around when I was seventeen. That was the first time
I was hospitalized and they put me in there for
a couple months, and I found out I had social anxiety,
generalized anxiety PTSD, borderline and histronic personality disorders and major
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depressive disorder, and so that they all nodded together, and
I suspect now later on that I probably had autism too,
and I was bullied and beaten up and lit on fire,
and so it all kind of came to a point
where I was like, I'm going to end my life
and I was going to steal my dad's gun into it.
And so I told them and they took me to
Homewood here in Gwelth, the mental hospital down downtown, and
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when the doctors told them my whole diagnosis. By the
time I was eighteen, a year later, I was homeless.
I started selling my body at the age of eighteen,
homeless without any family, and that was downtown here at Gwelph.
And that just adds to the trauma, and it feels
like it's almost like a blank zone. I was homeless
seven times, hospitalized fourteen times, lost track of how many
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clients I was with it just it destroys you inside
and you become so dehumanized, diagnosed with two more mental
illnesses since the homelessness.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
So did you speak to a doctor initially? Did you say, Hey,
I'm considering this, what are your thoughts? No? Okay, so
you never got that far at that time.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
That far because I was waiting for March seventeen was
when they were going to make it eligible. For people
with solely mental illness, and I knew I had have
a fast pass.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
And then Mitchell and I went downtown to discuss another group.
He things Made may be targeting. We're here right now
because you used to live here.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Yeah, actually when I was eighteen, I first found myself
homeless here in the downtown core of Gwelph. You can
feel the temperature right now with that wind. Imagine being
in a small little tent and having just cardboard to
sleep on. Your mind really starts to wander, and as
I said earlier, you dehumanize yourself and you start to
think of yourself as less and that really it leads
towards you considering things like Made or side on your own.
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But Maide would be in place where you'd be able
to get accepted for it and someone would do it
for you. And if if that's the problem that's stopping you,
if you're stuck at you know, passively, then you get
that extra nudge that you don't really need when you're
already vulnerable.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Do you think people who are homeless will be targeted
by the MADE agenda?
Speaker 2 (10:41):
I absolutely think so, just because through my own experience
I gained that agoraphobia and bolimia, and that made me
eligible for MAID and therefore that's already the targeting in place.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Do you think there will be people calling the hotline
or will they be propositioned and sequestered by those offering.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Made I think a lot of people will call the
hotline on their own because it's a very private matter.
But I also think that there is going to be
a group of professionals that are going to try and
push it on to us like they have with veterans
and paralympians in the past.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Amidst this housing crisis and this unaffordable living crisis. Could
anyone end up in this position right here in Canada
right now? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (11:14):
I think anyone could. I think if you lost your rental,
or you had a disagreement with the landlord, or they
got greedy, or you know a lot of these corporate
landlords are evicting entire buildings and increasing the rent. So
you might feel safe right now. You might be at
home saying, well, I'm I'm not disabled, I've got a
house I've got that can be taken away from you
so easily. I mean, all these people weren't born to
be homeless. They were born to parents, and they have
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brothers and sisters and families somewhere like I did. But
they're at the edge of society and they're at their
most vulnerable. And I think that's why Made is an
absolute atrocity right now to be the priority over you know,
giving these people homes and safety and comfort.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
And as we were talking, this dude heard what we
were discussing and wanted to share his personal story about Made. Okay,
so we just bumped into you. It's key, tell me
a bit about your story.
Speaker 5 (11:59):
I was almost murdered about a year ago here in
this town by a gang of six guys.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
It was awful.
Speaker 5 (12:06):
I don't really want to get into too much about that,
but my rehabilitation has encompassed basically me just taking care
of myself and the people of the community helping me out.
The systems completely failed me when all this happened. The
only kind of help that I was really offered by
victim services was therapy kind of help. And if I chose,
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I could take Made.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
So immediately you have presented the option to end your
own life.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
Yeah, that's how you put it. That's kind of crazy, right, Yeah,
for me, absolutely, considering that I fought off six thugs
to stay alive, there would be no reason for me
to want to take my own life. Just the assumption
that somebody is going through struggle, that they can't handle
themselves or they can't accept help and bring themselves back
up is atrocious. I have a lot to live for
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and I'm not giving up. To even offer me that
option is insulting.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
You are also telling me that you someone who's presented
with this option and they took it. Yeah, can you
tell me a little bit about.
Speaker 5 (13:03):
That a member of our community here absolutely going through
hard times emotionally, mentally at the same time, to know
that there could have been another way, and that all
of his friends, most of them kind of feel the
same way, it's traumatizing to the community. Actually, we're I
guess we're kind of talking about the homeless situation and
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made right.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Now, specifically them being targeted or at least course into
maybe using that as an exit from their financial or
psychological artships.
Speaker 8 (13:30):
Right.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
Yeah, I'm in a situation right now. I'm homeless due
to this story. I didn't really get into many details about,
but I have through my process of the system. It's
almost impossible to get out. There's lots of priorities that
are put in place to make certain sections of the
community not really have options. If you're in need of
help and there's no help for you, the amount of
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abandonment can lead people to making poor choices. The stress
in our society is growing. You can bet there's going
to be people choosing the easy way out.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Well, those who are severely depressed, mentally ill, or financially hopeless.
Like when Mitchell considered mey it as perhaps a painless exit,
what about the physically disabled who are being offered made
without ever even asking for it, but real quick, but
I'd be like going down the road.
Speaker 9 (14:17):
You're fucked.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
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the condition you have?
Speaker 3 (14:41):
I have spastic scrub of palsy. I was born with it.
I was born very premature and should not have lived,
but God had other ideas.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Your miracle yourself, Yeah, this is.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Yeah, there's no reason that I should be here. I
was born at twenty five weeks gestation, weighing a pound
and six chounces. Yeah, before nick us were invented, and
I was breathing on my own. There's no reason I
should have been breathing on my own except for God.
And I'm here because I'm concerned with the Pandora's box
that this.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Is EI there. When were you first made aware of
the existence of maide being offered by the government.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
I was like all years. As soon as they introduced
the legislation, the disabled community saw the threat right.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Away, the threat of eugenics.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Yeah, exactly. They'll start with the terminally, of course, but
that's just the start off point. In twenty seventeen, I
started to have issues where I was having muscle spasms
that started from my mid low back and would fire
straight down to my toes and would basically look up
every muscle between those two points. So second hospitalization, I
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had a hospitalist, which is a doctor that works in
the hospital, approached me and asked if I had ever
considered asking for me the first time. I was just stunned.
I'm asking for pain control, not for death. My unfavorite
nurse was on and I had to use the bathroom,
so I rang for that and she came. I got
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back to the bed with no assistance from her. As
she was putting the side rolls up, she said, have
you ever considered me, because this isn't quality of life,
this is existing And I just said to her, you
don't get to make that call. She said, well, if
I were in your position, I take it in a heartbeat.
And I said the answer is no. God put me
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on this earth and he's the only one taking me home.
And then she said, now you're being selfish. I was like, whoa,
this is going somewhere not good fast.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Yeah. You mentioned that you were offered made in every
other region of Canada.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
I was offered it twice in BC or British Columbia,
once in Alberta, which is an in Saskatchewan, and I
thankfully have had really good care here so far. It's
more prevalent than you would ever imagine.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
It's already absolutely clear that Canada has a housing problem.
It's a crisis right now. Those lumped together with the
fact that there isn't an increase in mental SOPA, there
isn't an increase in addiction and drug support. In fact,
there's a decrease. We just lost our safe consumption site
and there's already been two deaths. So people who are
left in the behind are just going like, okay, so
two years for an eye surgery or eight years for
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a hip or you know those, and they feel so
stressed out. They know they're not going to get mental
health support, they know they're not going to get the
drug support they need, and they're already so dehumanized, especially
when you're homeless, if you don't have a place in
the world, you really have to deal with an identity crisis.
And so I've been in the place that a lot
of people who want made have been in where they
just want it for an ending. They're like, I'm suffered enough,
I'm done, i can't.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Do this anymore. They repeatedly, I.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Think it's three times, asked you about organ donation, because
they want to have the organs.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Of these people who are too poor.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
And so what does that make it that the rich
are you know, too rich to die, and that the
poor are too poor to live? It just becomes a
second tier healthcare system in itself.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Homeless people, people, drug addictions, mentally ill, who's on the
hit list of the MAID program? In your worst case scenario.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
I think all of the above, because I try to
correlate together that. Okay, homelessness, you get, a goorp phobia,
you get we need to get these stress PTSD kinds
of things. With drug addiction, you can have different kinds
of psychoses or mental illnesses pop up from that, and
a lot of these people get into those drugs and
alcoholis because they're escaping from leaning on the street.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
There's been instances here where people have to wait up
to five years for treatment, but they can have made
in ninety one days, So.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
It would take longer for them to get the medical
treatment they needed than to kill themselves.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Exactly. It's our government and to get rid of people
that have chronic conditions that use up a lot of
healthcare dollars. The people that they see is as non
contributing members of society. So the homeless are being targeted,
elderly are being targeted, mentally ill are being targeted. Though
they say they're on hold, but it's just really just
a facade and children are next. They are trying to
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push through use in Asia for children with severe illnesses
or terminal condition. So the child of a certain age
could themselves without their parents consent, ask for me. That's
what they in the pass. Yeah, it'll be under the
guise of chronic illness and stuff. So there's at least
been two or three cases of people in poverty unable
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to pay bills, looking at homelessness, choosing made first. Like
the numbers are crazy. Let me get the stats up here,
And in twenty sixteen, one thousand to eighteen people chose
to die by me. Okay, In twenty seventeen, two thousand,
eight hundred and thirty eight people died by me, a
doubling at least twenty eighteen four thousand, four hundred and
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ninety three. Double again twenty nineteen, five thousand, six hundred
and sixty five, and we're entering the pandemic.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Big turning point.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Twenty twenty that jumps to seven thousand, six hundred and eleven,
twenty twenty one jumps to ten thousand and ninety two,
twenty twenty two thirteen thousand, two hundred and forty one.
I've heard that that figure could double for twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Why are people ending their lives.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Because their choice for healthcare is being denied.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
I think the doctor see it as a productive, compassionate
alternative to the healthcare or is it just cost effective.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Well, I think the doctors are being sold in narrative
and buying into it. Some aren't, some are quitting. I
think my doctor retired in twenty sixteen because he saw
the writing on the wall, and he's a Christian doctor.
He couldn't be part of that. I also couldn't find
proof of this, so I can't back it up. But
there's also organ donations have gone out exponentially. That's what
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the one of the last things they asked the family
is if they'll don't eat.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Their organ too expensive? What we want your organs?
Speaker 3 (20:36):
It's dark, it's evil, it's town rad evil.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
What I've learned is that Made at its core is coersive.
It's been whispering to me. I feel drawn to it
all the time because it is that exit. It's replacing
that passive suit with a physical person who can do
it for you. At the end of the line.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
There's a lot of stories.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
If you look them out, there's a paralympian Canadian paralympian
who was offered made a lot of veterans that was
a big shocker a year or two ago, where they're
being offered made instead of help with pelliative care or
maybe hospitalization. You get that kind of that push and
that draw from those kinds of people, And then you
got lobbyists like Dying with Dignity where they come into
the picture and they don't care about the poverty issue,
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the homelessness issue, all that. They're pushing it from a
right to die. So they're saying, you know, it's dying
with dignity. But my question to them is, how can
you die with dignity if you didn't live with it first.
A lot of us in the community have that pass ideality,
so we won't act on it. But if there's somebody
down there who's got a pill for you and they're
just going to do it for you, that's the coorsi,
that's the easy way out. And when you're facing all
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these things homelessness, poverty, drug addiction, mental health problems, especially
when you're in psychosis, how do you make the right decision.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
At the point in which you were offered made had
you indicated any desire to end your life then whatsoever.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
No, I was just asking for them to do something
about the paint. Nothing they gave me was helping.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
If you didn't have your condition, they would have offered
you made in that context.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
Probably not.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Probably not.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
It's ending a life. It's murder as far as I'm concerned.
And I know there's a lot of countries right now
debating this topic, which is why I'm talking about it
because I want those countries to know that it's a
Pandora's box. Once the lid's off, there's no putting it
back on.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Can you tell me about the advocacy work you're doing
in your position on all this?
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Sure, I'm trying to make sure that everyone understands this
is not a black and white is that you know
if you ban all those seniors and people that advocates
fought for their ability to be able to end their
life near, you know, the end of their own life
as it is with stage work cancer and all that
kind of stuff that needs to be cemented and kept strong.
But tracked two is the threat. It's a threat to
people with disabilities. It's a threat to everyday people because
people disabilities are made up with people who are in
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car accidents, victims of assault from a partner, people who
are at workplace and got injured, and all of them
are falling under the disability tree now. And some of
those people are being denied workplace benefits or they're dealing
with that violent partner still and they're stuck there because
of the benefits or because of homelessness. All these things
are percolating together and making it an absolute threat to
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us through coersion, and a lot of people were scared
of it, even though they wouldn't take it. They know
that they're not going to but they know it's there.
It becomes this thing in your head where it's just
a chant or an echo where you're always like, well,
it's a really bad day today, but at least.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
I have me.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
We're having a health crisis right now because of the
privatization thing. So hospitals don't have beds, there's hallway medicine.
I haven't seen a doctor in four years. There's none available.
If you want to call any one of them near
my house, you'll get an answering machine that says we're
not taking new clients. So access to those things being
denied and then the federal government not giving us the
disability benefit. Both the provincial and the federal government shot
down basic income. There's all these provisions they could do.
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They could do a National Disability Insurance Plan like Australia
at the NDIS. They could do basic income, they could
do the Canadian Disability Benefit properly, where if we each
got like a thousand or two thousand or three thousand
dollars more a month, and that was supplemented with other
basic income and a couple other things, we would all
be able to thrive. But right now, across Canada, every
single province of territory, their disability amount is at least
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one to two times below the poverty line.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
So it's unlivable if you're in a position where you
can't work at this point.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
And that's part of the course.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Unlivable, right, why not you die? Right? It's more or
less the message their sendings. Yeah, why are you vocally
sharing your story about Maid?
Speaker 3 (24:15):
I have crosshairs on my back and I need people
to know it. I've said to all my family and friends,
if you hear that they killing my maid, it's murder
because I didn't consent, and it's sick to me that
I even have to say that to them. But if
I ever get to a place where I can't speak
for myself, I can't trust the healthcare system not to
do it, I have to speak out, not just for me,
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but for everybody else. This is not normal, This is
not right, This is not ethical in any way, shape
or form, and it should not be happening, and in democracy,
in a civilized country.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Do you think many people who have tendencies are seeing
made it's just an escape route. Yeah, I agree with that.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
The only caveat would be that I've watched for thirty
years while the supports martin place and I don't trust
they're going to be in place in ten year. Where
am I going to be in ten years? How mobile
am I going to be? How conscientious of myself? Am
I going to be?
Speaker 8 (25:05):
Like?
Speaker 2 (25:05):
I don't even know if I'll be here because the
amount of stress I deal with. I'm always worrying about
a heart attack or a stroke. Unfortunately, I think it
is a bit of column and columb colume, being that
it is social murder. It's a eugenics because the people
who are most going to apply are the ones who
are the most vulnerable. And they're getting the least amount
of help. So it's just obvious social engineering, eugenics, whatever
you want to call it. There So, since twenty sixteen,
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forty five thousand people have been killed thirteen thousand. We're
in twenty twenty two. Yeah, it's exponentially getting bigger. California
has about the same population as Canada, and California's only
done eight hundred and fifty Why are people killing themselves
in Canada with made sixteen times more than in California?
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Do you think the doctors are coercing them into this
being a good option.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
I think it's a perfect storm. I thank homelessness, poverty, doctors,
the misinformation, and the dying with dignity lobbyists. It's going
to be George Orwell, it's gonna be nineteen eighty four.
It's going to be any of those warnings that we
were getting, which are literally too poor to live. Let
us get take your organs and you saved us eighty
six million dollars. The news media is not covering it
because they're all corporate owned. It's been an absolute nightmare
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to get eyeballs on this. It's usually foreign press that
comes and wants to cover made in Canada.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
It's dystopian.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
It's a big problem here because right now it costs
US eighty billion dollars to maintain poverty, So why wouldn't
they start reinvesting that and redistributing that and getting some
people off the streets. They also let in way too
many immigrants. The one other thing that I've been worried about.
I said it last year, and I don't know how
in place it is is made in prison, because if
you think about it, you could kill a political prisoner,
get them sent to prison, make made their only option,
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which is what we're all dealing without here. If life's
unlivable in there for them, they will choose made. And
you've just taken someone out without even firing a shot.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
It's a further.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Hypothetical, but that's the slippery slopes direction.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
And I've also heard that miners who may qualify for
the mental illness track and deformed to babies or babies
with severe disabilities are now being considered. Is that real? Yeah?
That was real.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
That was a doctor in Quebec trying to table that.
And I think that dying with dignity is also trying
to put children in Later on, to trying to get
the win right now out with the solely mental illness.
That's the biggest problem with these types of programs. It
is always a slippery slope. It's always something more has
to be included. And that's what the UK is really echoing,
where it's like, we might put this in place, but
look what happened in Canada. Now they're doing this and
this and purely solely mental illness. That's crossing the line.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
And if you go back in time two years ago,
if it was sold to you and pushed on you
by multiple doctors, do you think you would have taken
them up on it.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
One hundred percent? Because I don't care about my life
and I want to change things, and my biggest goal
doing all this advocacy that I do is to make
sure that I don't happen again, that there isn't some
seventeen you're out there about to go homeless and be eighteen,
selling his body on the streets, living in a squalor
becoming an alcoholic and just bouncing around for twenty odd
thirty odd years not understanding what was going on and
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who was doing it to them. But now that I'm
an advocate I'm on the other end of that, and
I realized somebody was advocating for me when I was
out on those bridges and in those cardboard boxes, and
that now I have to represent one thousand, maybe a
couple of thousand, who are out there right now like
that in shelters, who are on the street, who aren't vocal,
who aren't articulate, who don't have the spot to be
able to do these kinds of messages.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
And that's that's you. Yeah, I think you need to
remain here now. You have responsibility in your folders. Is
there a world where made it could be implemented against
your own will at some point if some medical problem happened, if.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
This pandemic treaty is signed. People don't understand what's in
this treaty. It's far beyond just pandemic.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
What's in the treaty It.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Seizes control of healthcare period in the nations that sign
up for it. They can force vaccinate anybody with any
vaccine they do they deem necessary. And that's just the
tip of the iceberg. There's other laws on our books
right now. We've got to Bill sixty three, I think
it is. That's in third reading right now that would
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ache speaking out against our government tailables.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Like Great Britain.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
There was a time nations stood up and stood up
for democracy and fought for freedom. But this is a
different kind of warfare now, and nations are being taken
without a shot being fired. It's scary. People need to
wake up because it's not going to be very long
before there's no going back.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Well. Euthanasia seems to be a more controllable death for
those with debilitating terminal illnesses and predictable expiration dates. One
must wonder who else with the ability to live a
meaningful life might be allured to the permanent escape it offers.
Perhaps the country should measure its humanity not by the
ease in which it will help you end your life,
but rather by the creation of infrastructure to help those
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suffering short term hardships to get back on their feet
and become productive members of society. In twenty twenty two,
sixty three percent of MADE users cited cancer as their
reason to die, while only three point five percent of
those who use MAD did not have terminal illnesses with
foreseeable death dates. But that's an increase from two point
two percent of all MADE users back in twenty twenty one,
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as the eligibility to receive MAID will expand to those
solely with mental illnesses. In twenty twenty seven, will more
and more people look to MAID to escape the harsh
reality of living in Canada And will other countries look
to Canada while building their own euthanasia program. Please go
show some love to Heather who just wrote a book,
and show some love to Mitchell who does graphic design.
This is Canada where the government will help you kill yourself.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Since twenty sixteen, forty five thousand people have been killed
using me.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
A doctor that works in the hospital approach me and
ask if I had ever considered asking for me. I
was just asking for them to do something about the
paint I draw.
Speaker 4 (00:17):
Rather, it saves a maritas that response. It's to say, well,
how arrow we offer you. There's choice to your a
your life.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
I have a lot to live for.
Speaker 5 (00:30):
I'm not giving up, and to even offer me that
option is insulting.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
I've been in the place that a lot of people
who want mate have been in, where they just want
it for an ending. They're like, I've suffered enough, I'm done,
i can't do this anymore. And I repeatedly, I think
it's three times asked you about organ donations which you
are literally too poor to live. Let us get take
your organs, and you saved us eighty six million dollars.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Since twenty sixteen, Canada legalized euthanasia for those suffering terminal
illnesses with reasonably foreseeable debts. They called it medical assistance
in Dying made and in twenty twenty one, Canada controversially
amended the law to extend MADE to people suffering from
a grievous or irremediable condition that have no risk of
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a foreseeable death, and in twenty twenty two made use
increase thirty one percent, with thirteen two hundred and forty
one MADE deaths accounting for four point one percent of
all deaths in Canada that year. But with the weight
times to have the government help you unlive yourself being
shorter than the wait time to receive pain treatment, long
term care and other medical support aim to improve the
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quality of life for people with serious illnesses, many Canadians
fear the government is making it easier to die than
to receive the medical care that the disabled, elderly, and
mentally ill.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Need non contributing members of society, So the homeless are
being targeted, elderly are being targeted, mentally ill are being targeted.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
Allowing the state to make decisions vote who should live
and who should die.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
You don't know what kind of monster you're likely to
conjure up doing that.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
But why is Canada helping more people end their lives
more than any other country on earth? Is made a
program to give those who are suffering a more dignified death,
or is MADE a dystopian eugenics program designed to kill
those stressing Canada's overburdened socialized healthcare system. I hit the
streets of Toronto to see what Canadians think about MADE
and who should qualify to be able to die. Any
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thoughts on medically assisted death here in Canada?
Speaker 6 (02:26):
I mean, I think under the right circumstances. Yeah, I've
lost a family member to it, but it's a different
type of grieving.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
But yeah, hey, if.
Speaker 7 (02:36):
That's what you want, I guess, go for it. If
you got some mental illness, maybe that should be something
that we look closer at. But especially for older people
like you know, if you want to go, you have
ever right too if you want.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
What about a minor? Not a minor, I.
Speaker 7 (02:47):
Would think you definitely need to be able to, you know,
legally make your own decisions.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Say I'm depressed and I go to the state and say, hey,
I want you to kill me? You grew with that?
Or too far? Too far far?
Speaker 8 (02:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Good? Or a bad thing? Good? You think it should
only be accessible to terminal illnesses or mental illnesses as
well illnesses? What was the situation you lost your family
member too?
Speaker 6 (03:05):
In that context, I cancer when you know it's terminal.
She fought eighteen years of a phenomenal fight, but you
gets to the point.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Where you just want to be on your way with dignity.
Speaker 6 (03:16):
And I think it was a difficult thing for those
left behind, but an important thing to be available to her.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Do you think she died any more dignified death in
her opinion than she would have otherwise?
Speaker 6 (03:26):
One hundred percent, because she was in her full capacity
and she made her own decisions on that.
Speaker 9 (03:31):
It's a bad thing.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Bad thing personally, I don't agree with it.
Speaker 9 (03:34):
When somebody is in that state in their life, they
shouldn't have to decide on things like this.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
They're not in a mental position to make a competent decision.
Speaker 9 (03:42):
In general, I think for we human we shouldn't encourage
this sort of behavior. It'll probably just bring some other
problems in the society.
Speaker 10 (03:51):
I mean, I agree with some people maybe you don't
want to live because they are in bad conditions, so
I think it's good that they can decide.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Let's say I have an illness and mental illness like
severe depression. Do you think I should be able to
end my own life via the state I don't think.
Speaker 10 (04:04):
So, because maybe with that you can and builds you
can improve. But it's different if you are like in
bad conditions physically.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
It's horrible, horrible Yeah, undecided.
Speaker 11 (04:16):
Yeah, but I think it makes someone happy and they
choose it, I would be a comfortable business their decision.
If someone saying, YO, do this, I'll be questioning that
across the tent behind it.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Right.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Do you think your Canadian tax dollars should fund the
program that is killing Canadians.
Speaker 11 (04:29):
Any position like that?
Speaker 1 (04:31):
No, of course not.
Speaker 8 (04:31):
No.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Yeah, I guess that's funny. See state funded uton Asia
then right?
Speaker 11 (04:35):
Yeah, probably not, Like if there is a choice, maybe
it'd be more privatized.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (04:40):
I feel like I text all these communities for something
way better than what's going on right now.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Do you support state funded euthanasia? I do? Yes. What
if I'm like severely depressed, do you think I should
qualify to go die by the state?
Speaker 4 (04:51):
No?
Speaker 12 (04:52):
I think you should help people for that tanasia only
for people who are very sick or you know, terminal.
Speaker 7 (04:59):
It depends again, like it's case by case.
Speaker 12 (05:01):
You know, if you're like twenty four, that's really young,
and you know, like, I think that we need to
look at if this person is wanting to commit, then
we need to look at mental health issues, not just
let's just kill each other.
Speaker 8 (05:17):
I don't know. I think that it's being used in
the wrong way in many instances. I think now it's
getting applied in situations where I don't think it should
be so financial hardship, most especially mental illness, but especially
financial hardship. I've heard of some stories where people just
hand to mouth and they can't get out of it,
and this is being proposed to the miss An option,
and I just think it's disgusting in that way.
Speaker 13 (05:38):
So yeah, I think in general it can be a
good thing. I think it's been probably overextended with a
little oversight.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Do you think it's being offered to people who perhaps
should not be offered death.
Speaker 13 (05:48):
That's a difficult thing to ascertain because I do think
that people do have agency and should have a lot
of say in their own matter. It's just a question
of probably needs to be better vetted by regulatory bodies,
in this case only physicians.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
And do you think it should be state funded? Last
question for it.
Speaker 13 (06:03):
We do have a healthcare system that is state funded,
so if done appropriately, yes, do.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
You think given that Pandora's box is open here, that
it'll be sold to certain individuals as a quick fix.
Speaker 8 (06:14):
I mean, my understanding is that it already has been,
you know, instead of providing a more holistic and more
compassionate approach because I think it might be a quick fix.
I think if you have a terminal illness and that's
an option you want to take advantage of, I think,
more power to you. But I just think that it's
been pushed in ways that it shouldn't be.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
So a government program where I can die if I
want to die, if I get two doctors to sign off,
go to bed, I think it's good.
Speaker 14 (06:40):
Yeah, I mean I feel like it should be someone's choice.
They're right, if you don't want to live in a
body that doesn't work anymore, it should be your right
to be able to go. So yeah, I think it's
a personal choice. I mean, it's not for everybody, obviously,
but I'm telling you what I see in a long
term care home.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
It's pretty sad.
Speaker 14 (06:54):
I don't want to live like that. I don't want
to be able to not know if I'm hungry or feeding.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Myself, taking care of myself.
Speaker 14 (07:01):
So I think it is a good thing, and I hope.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
We keep it. That's track one obviously, right, that's the
terminal illness. But do you think that should extend to
let's say, mental illnesses like severe depression or something like that.
Speaker 14 (07:10):
Yeah, I think it should include that to certain degrees,
with like lots of peer review, more than one doctor,
lots of information thrown at it. Be forty your decisions made.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Yeah? What about those who are not terminally ill but
still want to die? Let me introduce you to Mitchell,
a forty two year old man who's considered made as
an option to escape his mental illnesses and financial destitution.
We're here discussing Maid. How did you get acquainted with Maid?
Tell me a little bit about your story. You kind
of start at point zero. Sure.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
The first time I learned about Maid was about four
years ago. I was living in an absolute slum and
had black mold a foot up the walls. My cat
was really sick. My landlord was extremely abusive. He would
knock on the window with a machete. We were rated
by police twice. Where I'm sending my boxers being searched
and my room's being searched, and I didn't know why,
and I was paying six hundred dollars a month Canadian
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for that place. And eventually I hit a breaking point
and I learned about MADE and I started to fantasize
about it. I was like, that's my release. I can't
do it myself. I've had passive suicidy most of my life,
so I haven't been able to act on it. And
I was like, well, that's my way out. So I
started writing letters and I started getting myself ready to apply.
So I didn't get the documents. There was nothing print that.
They were still kind of laying out the rules and
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they would have had it printed out by them, but
they postponed it, like the week before, for two years.
So twenty twenty seven, March seventeenth is when Made for
Solely Mental Illness will come into play. Tracks back to
around when I was seventeen. That was the first time
I was hospitalized and they put me in there for
a couple months, and I found out I had social anxiety,
generalized anxiety PTSD, borderline and histronic personality disorders and major
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depressive disorder, and so that they all nodded together, and
I suspect now later on that I probably had autism too,
and I was bullied and beaten up and lit on fire,
and so it all kind of came to a point
where I was like, I'm going to end my life
and I was going to steal my dad's gun into it.
And so I told them and they took me to
Homewood here in Gwelth, the mental hospital down downtown, and
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when the doctors told them my whole diagnosis. By the
time I was eighteen, a year later, I was homeless.
I started selling my body at the age of eighteen,
homeless without any family, and that was downtown here at Gwelph.
And that just adds to the trauma, and it feels
like it's almost like a blank zone. I was homeless
seven times, hospitalized fourteen times, lost track of how many
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clients I was with it just it destroys you inside
and you become so dehumanized, diagnosed with two more mental
illnesses since the homelessness.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
So did you speak to a doctor initially? Did you say, Hey,
I'm considering this, what are your thoughts? No? Okay, so
you never got that far at that time.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
That far because I was waiting for March seventeen was
when they were going to make it eligible. For people
with solely mental illness, and I knew I had have
a fast pass.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
And then Mitchell and I went downtown to discuss another group.
He things Made may be targeting. We're here right now
because you used to live here.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Yeah, actually when I was eighteen, I first found myself
homeless here in the downtown core of Gwelph. You can
feel the temperature right now with that wind. Imagine being
in a small little tent and having just cardboard to
sleep on. Your mind really starts to wander, and as
I said earlier, you dehumanize yourself and you start to
think of yourself as less and that really it leads
towards you considering things like Made or side on your own.
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But Maide would be in place where you'd be able
to get accepted for it and someone would do it
for you. And if if that's the problem that's stopping you,
if you're stuck at you know, passively, then you get
that extra nudge that you don't really need when you're
already vulnerable.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Do you think people who are homeless will be targeted
by the MADE agenda?
Speaker 2 (10:41):
I absolutely think so, just because through my own experience
I gained that agoraphobia and bolimia, and that made me
eligible for MAID and therefore that's already the targeting in place.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Do you think there will be people calling the hotline
or will they be propositioned and sequestered by those offering.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Made I think a lot of people will call the
hotline on their own because it's a very private matter.
But I also think that there is going to be
a group of professionals that are going to try and
push it on to us like they have with veterans
and paralympians in the past.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Amidst this housing crisis and this unaffordable living crisis. Could
anyone end up in this position right here in Canada
right now? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (11:14):
I think anyone could. I think if you lost your rental,
or you had a disagreement with the landlord, or they
got greedy, or you know a lot of these corporate
landlords are evicting entire buildings and increasing the rent. So
you might feel safe right now. You might be at
home saying, well, I'm I'm not disabled, I've got a
house I've got that can be taken away from you
so easily. I mean, all these people weren't born to
be homeless. They were born to parents, and they have
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brothers and sisters and families somewhere like I did. But
they're at the edge of society and they're at their
most vulnerable. And I think that's why Made is an
absolute atrocity right now to be the priority over you know,
giving these people homes and safety and comfort.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
And as we were talking, this dude heard what we
were discussing and wanted to share his personal story about Made. Okay,
so we just bumped into you. It's key, tell me
a bit about your story.
Speaker 5 (11:59):
I was almost murdered about a year ago here in
this town by a gang of six guys.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
It was awful.
Speaker 5 (12:06):
I don't really want to get into too much about that,
but my rehabilitation has encompassed basically me just taking care
of myself and the people of the community helping me out.
The systems completely failed me when all this happened. The
only kind of help that I was really offered by
victim services was therapy kind of help. And if I chose,
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I could take Made.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
So immediately you have presented the option to end your
own life.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
Yeah, that's how you put it. That's kind of crazy, right, Yeah,
for me, absolutely, considering that I fought off six thugs
to stay alive, there would be no reason for me
to want to take my own life. Just the assumption
that somebody is going through struggle, that they can't handle
themselves or they can't accept help and bring themselves back
up is atrocious. I have a lot to live for
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and I'm not giving up. To even offer me that
option is insulting.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
You are also telling me that you someone who's presented
with this option and they took it. Yeah, can you
tell me a little bit about.
Speaker 5 (13:03):
That a member of our community here absolutely going through
hard times emotionally, mentally at the same time, to know
that there could have been another way, and that all
of his friends, most of them kind of feel the
same way, it's traumatizing to the community. Actually, we're I
guess we're kind of talking about the homeless situation and
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made right.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Now, specifically them being targeted or at least course into
maybe using that as an exit from their financial or
psychological artships.
Speaker 8 (13:30):
Right.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
Yeah, I'm in a situation right now. I'm homeless due
to this story. I didn't really get into many details about,
but I have through my process of the system. It's
almost impossible to get out. There's lots of priorities that
are put in place to make certain sections of the
community not really have options. If you're in need of
help and there's no help for you, the amount of
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abandonment can lead people to making poor choices. The stress
in our society is growing. You can bet there's going
to be people choosing the easy way out.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Well, those who are severely depressed, mentally ill, or financially hopeless.
Like when Mitchell considered mey it as perhaps a painless exit,
what about the physically disabled who are being offered made
without ever even asking for it, but real quick, but
I'd be like going down the road.
Speaker 9 (14:17):
You're fucked.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
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(14:40):
the condition you have?
Speaker 3 (14:41):
I have spastic scrub of palsy. I was born with it.
I was born very premature and should not have lived,
but God had other ideas.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Your miracle yourself, Yeah, this is.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Yeah, there's no reason that I should be here. I
was born at twenty five weeks gestation, weighing a pound
and six chounces. Yeah, before nick us were invented, and
I was breathing on my own. There's no reason I
should have been breathing on my own except for God.
And I'm here because I'm concerned with the Pandora's box
that this.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Is EI there. When were you first made aware of
the existence of maide being offered by the government.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
I was like all years. As soon as they introduced
the legislation, the disabled community saw the threat right.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Away, the threat of eugenics.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Yeah, exactly. They'll start with the terminally, of course, but
that's just the start off point. In twenty seventeen, I
started to have issues where I was having muscle spasms
that started from my mid low back and would fire
straight down to my toes and would basically look up
every muscle between those two points. So second hospitalization, I
(15:42):
had a hospitalist, which is a doctor that works in
the hospital, approached me and asked if I had ever
considered asking for me the first time. I was just stunned.
I'm asking for pain control, not for death. My unfavorite
nurse was on and I had to use the bathroom,
so I rang for that and she came. I got
(16:04):
back to the bed with no assistance from her. As
she was putting the side rolls up, she said, have
you ever considered me, because this isn't quality of life,
this is existing And I just said to her, you
don't get to make that call. She said, well, if
I were in your position, I take it in a heartbeat.
And I said the answer is no. God put me
(16:25):
on this earth and he's the only one taking me home.
And then she said, now you're being selfish. I was like, whoa,
this is going somewhere not good fast.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Yeah. You mentioned that you were offered made in every
other region of Canada.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
I was offered it twice in BC or British Columbia,
once in Alberta, which is an in Saskatchewan, and I
thankfully have had really good care here so far. It's
more prevalent than you would ever imagine.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
It's already absolutely clear that Canada has a housing problem.
It's a crisis right now. Those lumped together with the
fact that there isn't an increase in mental SOPA, there
isn't an increase in addiction and drug support. In fact,
there's a decrease. We just lost our safe consumption site
and there's already been two deaths. So people who are
left in the behind are just going like, okay, so
two years for an eye surgery or eight years for
(17:13):
a hip or you know those, and they feel so
stressed out. They know they're not going to get mental
health support, they know they're not going to get the
drug support they need, and they're already so dehumanized, especially
when you're homeless, if you don't have a place in
the world, you really have to deal with an identity crisis.
And so I've been in the place that a lot
of people who want made have been in where they
just want it for an ending. They're like, I'm suffered enough,
I'm done, i can't.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Do this anymore. They repeatedly, I.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Think it's three times, asked you about organ donation, because
they want to have the organs.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Of these people who are too poor.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
And so what does that make it that the rich
are you know, too rich to die, and that the
poor are too poor to live? It just becomes a
second tier healthcare system in itself.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Homeless people, people, drug addictions, mentally ill, who's on the
hit list of the MAID program? In your worst case scenario.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
I think all of the above, because I try to
correlate together that. Okay, homelessness, you get, a goorp phobia,
you get we need to get these stress PTSD kinds
of things. With drug addiction, you can have different kinds
of psychoses or mental illnesses pop up from that, and
a lot of these people get into those drugs and
alcoholis because they're escaping from leaning on the street.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
There's been instances here where people have to wait up
to five years for treatment, but they can have made
in ninety one days, So.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
It would take longer for them to get the medical
treatment they needed than to kill themselves.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Exactly. It's our government and to get rid of people
that have chronic conditions that use up a lot of
healthcare dollars. The people that they see is as non
contributing members of society. So the homeless are being targeted,
elderly are being targeted, mentally ill are being targeted. Though
they say they're on hold, but it's just really just
a facade and children are next. They are trying to
(18:47):
push through use in Asia for children with severe illnesses
or terminal condition. So the child of a certain age
could themselves without their parents consent, ask for me. That's
what they in the pass. Yeah, it'll be under the
guise of chronic illness and stuff. So there's at least
been two or three cases of people in poverty unable
(19:08):
to pay bills, looking at homelessness, choosing made first. Like
the numbers are crazy. Let me get the stats up here,
And in twenty sixteen, one thousand to eighteen people chose
to die by me. Okay, In twenty seventeen, two thousand,
eight hundred and thirty eight people died by me, a
doubling at least twenty eighteen four thousand, four hundred and
(19:31):
ninety three. Double again twenty nineteen, five thousand, six hundred
and sixty five, and we're entering the pandemic.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Big turning point.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Twenty twenty that jumps to seven thousand, six hundred and eleven,
twenty twenty one jumps to ten thousand and ninety two,
twenty twenty two thirteen thousand, two hundred and forty one.
I've heard that that figure could double for twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Why are people ending their lives.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Because their choice for healthcare is being denied.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
I think the doctor see it as a productive, compassionate
alternative to the healthcare or is it just cost effective.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Well, I think the doctors are being sold in narrative
and buying into it. Some aren't, some are quitting. I
think my doctor retired in twenty sixteen because he saw
the writing on the wall, and he's a Christian doctor.
He couldn't be part of that. I also couldn't find
proof of this, so I can't back it up. But
there's also organ donations have gone out exponentially. That's what
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the one of the last things they asked the family
is if they'll don't eat.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Their organ too expensive? What we want your organs?
Speaker 3 (20:36):
It's dark, it's evil, it's town rad evil.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
What I've learned is that Made at its core is coersive.
It's been whispering to me. I feel drawn to it
all the time because it is that exit. It's replacing
that passive suit with a physical person who can do
it for you. At the end of the line.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
There's a lot of stories.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
If you look them out, there's a paralympian Canadian paralympian
who was offered made a lot of veterans that was
a big shocker a year or two ago, where they're
being offered made instead of help with pelliative care or
maybe hospitalization. You get that kind of that push and
that draw from those kinds of people, And then you
got lobbyists like Dying with Dignity where they come into
the picture and they don't care about the poverty issue,
(21:15):
the homelessness issue, all that. They're pushing it from a
right to die. So they're saying, you know, it's dying
with dignity. But my question to them is, how can
you die with dignity if you didn't live with it first.
A lot of us in the community have that pass ideality,
so we won't act on it. But if there's somebody
down there who's got a pill for you and they're
just going to do it for you, that's the coorsi,
that's the easy way out. And when you're facing all
(21:35):
these things homelessness, poverty, drug addiction, mental health problems, especially
when you're in psychosis, how do you make the right decision.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
At the point in which you were offered made had
you indicated any desire to end your life then whatsoever.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
No, I was just asking for them to do something
about the paint. Nothing they gave me was helping.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
If you didn't have your condition, they would have offered
you made in that context.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
Probably not.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Probably not.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
It's ending a life. It's murder as far as I'm concerned.
And I know there's a lot of countries right now
debating this topic, which is why I'm talking about it
because I want those countries to know that it's a
Pandora's box. Once the lid's off, there's no putting it
back on.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Can you tell me about the advocacy work you're doing
in your position on all this?
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Sure, I'm trying to make sure that everyone understands this
is not a black and white is that you know
if you ban all those seniors and people that advocates
fought for their ability to be able to end their
life near, you know, the end of their own life
as it is with stage work cancer and all that
kind of stuff that needs to be cemented and kept strong.
But tracked two is the threat. It's a threat to
people with disabilities. It's a threat to everyday people because
people disabilities are made up with people who are in
(22:42):
car accidents, victims of assault from a partner, people who
are at workplace and got injured, and all of them
are falling under the disability tree now. And some of
those people are being denied workplace benefits or they're dealing
with that violent partner still and they're stuck there because
of the benefits or because of homelessness. All these things
are percolating together and making it an absolute threat to
(23:02):
us through coersion, and a lot of people were scared
of it, even though they wouldn't take it. They know
that they're not going to but they know it's there.
It becomes this thing in your head where it's just
a chant or an echo where you're always like, well,
it's a really bad day today, but at least.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
I have me.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
We're having a health crisis right now because of the
privatization thing. So hospitals don't have beds, there's hallway medicine.
I haven't seen a doctor in four years. There's none available.
If you want to call any one of them near
my house, you'll get an answering machine that says we're
not taking new clients. So access to those things being
denied and then the federal government not giving us the
disability benefit. Both the provincial and the federal government shot
down basic income. There's all these provisions they could do.
(23:37):
They could do a National Disability Insurance Plan like Australia
at the NDIS. They could do basic income, they could
do the Canadian Disability Benefit properly, where if we each
got like a thousand or two thousand or three thousand
dollars more a month, and that was supplemented with other
basic income and a couple other things, we would all
be able to thrive. But right now, across Canada, every
single province of territory, their disability amount is at least
(24:01):
one to two times below the poverty line.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
So it's unlivable if you're in a position where you
can't work at this point.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
And that's part of the course.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Unlivable, right, why not you die? Right? It's more or
less the message their sendings. Yeah, why are you vocally
sharing your story about Maid?
Speaker 3 (24:15):
I have crosshairs on my back and I need people
to know it. I've said to all my family and friends,
if you hear that they killing my maid, it's murder
because I didn't consent, and it's sick to me that
I even have to say that to them. But if
I ever get to a place where I can't speak
for myself, I can't trust the healthcare system not to
do it, I have to speak out, not just for me,
(24:35):
but for everybody else. This is not normal, This is
not right, This is not ethical in any way, shape
or form, and it should not be happening, and in democracy,
in a civilized country.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Do you think many people who have tendencies are seeing
made it's just an escape route. Yeah, I agree with that.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
The only caveat would be that I've watched for thirty
years while the supports martin place and I don't trust
they're going to be in place in ten year. Where
am I going to be in ten years? How mobile
am I going to be? How conscientious of myself? Am
I going to be?
Speaker 8 (25:05):
Like?
Speaker 2 (25:05):
I don't even know if I'll be here because the
amount of stress I deal with. I'm always worrying about
a heart attack or a stroke. Unfortunately, I think it
is a bit of column and columb colume, being that
it is social murder. It's a eugenics because the people
who are most going to apply are the ones who
are the most vulnerable. And they're getting the least amount
of help. So it's just obvious social engineering, eugenics, whatever
you want to call it. There So, since twenty sixteen,
(25:26):
forty five thousand people have been killed thirteen thousand. We're
in twenty twenty two. Yeah, it's exponentially getting bigger. California
has about the same population as Canada, and California's only
done eight hundred and fifty Why are people killing themselves
in Canada with made sixteen times more than in California?
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Do you think the doctors are coercing them into this
being a good option.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
I think it's a perfect storm. I thank homelessness, poverty, doctors,
the misinformation, and the dying with dignity lobbyists. It's going
to be George Orwell, it's gonna be nineteen eighty four.
It's going to be any of those warnings that we
were getting, which are literally too poor to live. Let
us get take your organs and you saved us eighty
six million dollars. The news media is not covering it
because they're all corporate owned. It's been an absolute nightmare
(26:06):
to get eyeballs on this. It's usually foreign press that
comes and wants to cover made in Canada.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
It's dystopian.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
It's a big problem here because right now it costs
US eighty billion dollars to maintain poverty, So why wouldn't
they start reinvesting that and redistributing that and getting some
people off the streets. They also let in way too
many immigrants. The one other thing that I've been worried about.
I said it last year, and I don't know how
in place it is is made in prison, because if
you think about it, you could kill a political prisoner,
get them sent to prison, make made their only option,
(26:33):
which is what we're all dealing without here. If life's
unlivable in there for them, they will choose made. And
you've just taken someone out without even firing a shot.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
It's a further.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Hypothetical, but that's the slippery slopes direction.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
And I've also heard that miners who may qualify for
the mental illness track and deformed to babies or babies
with severe disabilities are now being considered. Is that real? Yeah?
That was real.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
That was a doctor in Quebec trying to table that.
And I think that dying with dignity is also trying
to put children in Later on, to trying to get
the win right now out with the solely mental illness.
That's the biggest problem with these types of programs. It
is always a slippery slope. It's always something more has
to be included. And that's what the UK is really echoing,
where it's like, we might put this in place, but
look what happened in Canada. Now they're doing this and
this and purely solely mental illness. That's crossing the line.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
And if you go back in time two years ago,
if it was sold to you and pushed on you
by multiple doctors, do you think you would have taken
them up on it.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
One hundred percent? Because I don't care about my life
and I want to change things, and my biggest goal
doing all this advocacy that I do is to make
sure that I don't happen again, that there isn't some
seventeen you're out there about to go homeless and be eighteen,
selling his body on the streets, living in a squalor
becoming an alcoholic and just bouncing around for twenty odd
thirty odd years not understanding what was going on and
(27:44):
who was doing it to them. But now that I'm
an advocate I'm on the other end of that, and
I realized somebody was advocating for me when I was
out on those bridges and in those cardboard boxes, and
that now I have to represent one thousand, maybe a
couple of thousand, who are out there right now like
that in shelters, who are on the street, who aren't vocal,
who aren't articulate, who don't have the spot to be
able to do these kinds of messages.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
And that's that's you. Yeah, I think you need to
remain here now. You have responsibility in your folders. Is
there a world where made it could be implemented against
your own will at some point if some medical problem happened, if.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
This pandemic treaty is signed. People don't understand what's in
this treaty. It's far beyond just pandemic.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
What's in the treaty It.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Seizes control of healthcare period in the nations that sign
up for it. They can force vaccinate anybody with any
vaccine they do they deem necessary. And that's just the
tip of the iceberg. There's other laws on our books
right now. We've got to Bill sixty three, I think
it is. That's in third reading right now that would
(28:45):
ache speaking out against our government tailables.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Like Great Britain.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
There was a time nations stood up and stood up
for democracy and fought for freedom. But this is a
different kind of warfare now, and nations are being taken
without a shot being fired. It's scary. People need to
wake up because it's not going to be very long
before there's no going back.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Well. Euthanasia seems to be a more controllable death for
those with debilitating terminal illnesses and predictable expiration dates. One
must wonder who else with the ability to live a
meaningful life might be allured to the permanent escape it offers.
Perhaps the country should measure its humanity not by the
ease in which it will help you end your life,
but rather by the creation of infrastructure to help those
(29:29):
suffering short term hardships to get back on their feet
and become productive members of society. In twenty twenty two,
sixty three percent of MADE users cited cancer as their
reason to die, while only three point five percent of
those who use MAD did not have terminal illnesses with
foreseeable death dates. But that's an increase from two point
two percent of all MADE users back in twenty twenty one,
(29:49):
as the eligibility to receive MAID will expand to those
solely with mental illnesses. In twenty twenty seven, will more
and more people look to MAID to escape the harsh
reality of living in Canada And will other countries look
to Canada while building their own euthanasia program. Please go
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