Dan Carlson

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
UAP Unidentified Anomalous phenomena. Are they extraterrestrial, inter dimensional time
travelers in origin or are they simply a result of
top secret military projects, false flag alien invasions, silent drones
or other human made aircraft. Join the discussion now on

(00:24):
UAP cross Fire.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Well, good evening, greatest audience on the planet. Welcome to
UAP Crossfire on kg Radio dB. Christoperno and Don Eckermi
eminent and most qualified co hosts for this show. Lots
of kind of fun news tonight. I think we have
a fun guest for you on the show tonight. As
well as always when I have I always like to

(01:01):
remind everybody the ending comes first, God's peace that surpasses
all understanding and knowledge. My wish and prayer for all
of you out there. Some other really kind of fun
big news that I want to make sure I get right.
Darcy Where and Andy Marcial are going to be joining
the KGr A dB lineup this Wednesday, eight to nine

(01:24):
Eastern last night on UFO. Twitter is the name of
the show. It's going to have a very unique format
that they're working up. I think it's going to be
well worth it. They were our guests last week. It
was a great show with them. I am very very
happy to make this announcement tonight and I am looking
forward to them taking to the airways via kg R

(01:47):
a dB. Before we bring our guest in tonight, let
me turn it over to the co host and see
how they are. Chris, how are you the severing?

Speaker 3 (01:54):
I am doing great. God over COVID. You know, I'm
feeling good, have my energy back, and I'm going to
have a great show tonight with Dan Carlson. I think
this is going to be great. You know, he's got
so many things, He's so diversified. I don't even know
where to start.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
Good, well, don't since I haven't announced the who the
guest is, let's try to keep out of surprise for
a couple seconds. Don Let me turn it over to you.
I know that you want to wish the United States
Air Force happy seventy seventh birthday that was yesterday, because
I know how much you loved that service and you
talk about it a lot on the show. Also, I

(02:34):
meant to add in the opening today is international talk
like a pirate day, right our here you go, our mate,
just get that out there for all this to do
get that. How are you tonight?

Speaker 4 (02:47):
Do We love zoomies, always have loved zoomies. They go up,
they fly around a little bit, go back to a
nice clean bed, hot show. They've got a great life.
Do so, Yeah, this is really great. Seventy seventh birthday,

(03:07):
they broke away from my army, and hey, you know
we were happy to see them go. They get they
wear pretty blue clothes. You know, it's just it's it's
really wonderful.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Well as if I remember the Air Force, I salute
the Air Force, and I spend a lot of time
with the Air Force these days. Don's remarks notwithstanding, Happy birthday,
United States Air Force.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
I will tell you one thing about the Air Force.
They got the best chow holes, chow hals in the service.
They have unbelievable chow halls.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
There is just something to be said about Air Force cuisine.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
Now, yes it is.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
Since we one quick more tie in before our guest
joins us. Don talks a lot, rightfully so about his
service in Vietnam, and I like to think that Don
maybe the inspiration for this first video clip. We're going
to show it tonight, Chris, if you don't mind running
the very special Uh, do.

Speaker 4 (04:10):
I really talk that much about Vietnam?

Speaker 2 (04:12):
No, but you when you do, it really leaves an impression.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
Oh okay, well here you go, Commander.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
H Let's good Christian. Thanks.

Speaker 3 (05:27):
I uh wow.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
I understand they spent about three hundred dollars building that,
and I was pretty impressed.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
I'll give him five hundred ill.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
Looks like a lot of fun. I was pretty impressed.
It was just something fun that came up.

Speaker 3 (05:44):
All right.

Speaker 4 (05:46):
He made that from basically just scarded trash.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
Yep, that's correct, put together with you know, you know,
some standard vote propulsion technology there, but he used the
gaming stuff, put the solar panels to provide some of
the electricity on it. Pretty impressive and look like it'd
be a heck of a lot of fun to whip

(06:11):
around the water with it.

Speaker 4 (06:12):
So serious talent.

Speaker 3 (06:16):
Yeah, yeah, what do you think about putting twin fifties
on that?

Speaker 2 (06:20):
There you go?

Speaker 3 (06:21):
That would be good. That would be a great thing,
wouldn't it or don't.

Speaker 4 (06:25):
I don't know if they'd handle twin fifties, Chris, Maybe thirties.

Speaker 3 (06:30):
Thirties, Okay, thirties.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
Once again, the Army and the Marine Corps arguingly over
caliber size interesting.

Speaker 3 (06:37):
Hey, corps always goes big.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
Never go big or go home. Well, our guest tonight,
mister Dan Carson, whose call signed tonight will be Padre
Padre Dan Tonight for ours go is a very accomplishment
if you have the opportunity to read a little bit
about it. Here's Dan joining us. Dan, Good evening, and
welcome to WAP Crossfire.

Speaker 5 (07:01):
Good evening, gentlemen. It's an honor. But I must say
about that watercraft. If it doesn't have a live well
and a trolling motor, I'm not interested.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
Yeah, well, that that that, I'm sure for bass phishing,
that would attract the most interesting bass There's no doubt
about that. The envy of other people. If you were
bass fishing in that would be pretty interesting as well.

Speaker 5 (07:21):
Yes, would be there too.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
Dan's got a pretty unique connection to this show. He
contacted me earlier this year. He had actually reached out
to Martin Willis earlier and then Martin connected him up
with mac maloney. Mac maloney as how Dan tracked me
down and then when I joined this show, so he's

(07:45):
kind of a super fan of the show, we started
to have some really good conversations. He told me about
some of the books that he had, Chris, if you
can bring up the two books Species On I'm sorry,
Species Unknown, and it's follow up sequel, Species Unleashed. Dan

(08:11):
is probably, as I said in the write up, what
I consider a renaissance man. He's a perfect fit with
Chris and Don with the very very backgrounds, a lot
of disciplines that have been studied and explored. And we
had quite a bit of fun and emails and getting
to know each other that way before we actually had

(08:33):
the chance to meet via phone. So it's great to
have you tonight. Dan. I think we have an interesting
show for the audience lined up. I won't try to
survey anybody who wants to write direct an email during
the show. If you catch it, I've got it up
there on the signature block on the cry on there
if you want to give me a quick drop and
I try to check the chat room. So, Dan, why

(08:56):
don't you introduce yourself to the audience a little bit
and give a quick rundown the back.

Speaker 5 (09:01):
Sure, I'd live in western South Dakota with my wife
and the Black Hills. I'm a pastor currently. My background
includes several years of broadcast meteorology. I branched out with
my own business into forensic meteorology, which our two former
leos could probably address. I then went into writing. I
became a newspaper columnist. While being on the air doing weather,

(09:25):
caught the eye of Cabella's headquarters in Sydney, Nebraska. They
hired me to do a number of rules there and
so with a combination of meteorology and ministry and writing
and media, that's just a high level view of Dan
in a nutshell. The two books that you saw are
science fiction fantasy books. They went to number one in

(09:46):
the Christian Fantasy chart on Amazon dot com. That's where
you can find it. Species Unleashed and Species Unknown. Now
what brought me into this conversation was something I heard
on a UAP podcast a few months ago. There was
a guest there, an accomplished scientist, who made some very
disparaging remarks about people of faith, basically implying that we

(10:08):
don't have the intelligence to be a part of the
UAP discussion. I kind of got my hackles up a bit,
so I started reaching out to the Commander and Martin
and some others and said, you know, I think that
we do have something to offer. And one of the
things that we need to do today is a people
and I'm just going to say this blank, you know,

(10:31):
blank at everything here is to recognize each other as
individuals and stop putting each other in boxes and say, well,
because he pastors at church, he doesn't have anything intelligent
to say about science or UAPs or anything else. Or
because this person is a secular scientist. Me being a Christian,
I'm not interested in what they have to say. I

(10:52):
think that we can all benefit by having good conversations
with one another, and I'm looking forward to a good
one tonight.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
Well at all.

Speaker 4 (11:00):
I gotta say something quickly, Commander Padre. The bottom line is, unfortunately,
and it's been true now for a number of years, there,
in my opinion, seems deliberate attempt by person or person's

(11:20):
unknown to keep us all divided, divided not only by
political choice, divided by spiritual as opposed to non spiritual choice.
It's it's a deliberate thing because once you have everybody divided,

(11:45):
it's much much easier to control. And that person you're
referring to, whoever that was, is obviously a major butthole
to make a blanket statement like that. Okay, So I wouldn't.
I wouldn't take it personally, and I wouldn't I wouldn't

(12:06):
be too concerned about it. His ignorance is self explanatory.

Speaker 5 (12:13):
I agree, Don, but I want to bring into this
discussion tonight, when we're looking at what UAP are, what
the possible options are we've got, you know, are they
man made? Are they misidentified objects? Are they time travelers?
Are they interdimensional travelers? And then there's that fuzzy category
of demons and angels, And I think, in my view,

(12:37):
more than one thing can be true. At the same time,
I think that as we look at the UAPs as
a whole, we may be able to find something from
each category here that's valid. What cannot be disputed is
people are having encounters with craft and beings that they

(12:58):
can't identify, and they don't know who or what they are.
And as we enter this discussion and try to search
for answers to that question, it's important for us, as
Don said and as others have said, that we respect
to one another, listen, evaluate what's there, and in our
own minds we have the option we can eat the

(13:18):
meat and spit out the bones, but still be cordial.
So that's what I'm.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
After, So damn, maybe it's a little bit soon, but
you know, I do want to interject that one little
thing that we talked about on our call a while back.
We have a guest who said, you know, we should
be calling the show UFO crossfire. You know that UAP
was one of those kind of divisive things that were

(13:43):
kicked up. So I'm trying this on Donn and Chris,
and I don't mean this with any sacrilege whatsoever. I
think you guys all know I have our pretty pure
hot heart on this subject. But when I grew up,
it was the holy ghost in the our Father Father
Son Holy Ghost, and then it became holy spurt as

(14:04):
a as a young guy growing up. So I'd like
to think that U A P And UFO have that
same relationship. Obviously, this is this is flying over everyone's
head like like.

Speaker 4 (14:15):
No, no, no, it's not no, it makes no makes
no matter all to me either. Or I prefer actually, UFO,
that's what I've.

Speaker 6 (14:27):
Always used, right, But you were legacy exactly, and we
might be to train our age a little bit here.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
I will No, I can't believe you would even go there.

Speaker 5 (14:39):
I know you're the younger one commander in the room.

Speaker 3 (14:42):
My wife is sitting with her for the that was
that wasn't a great statement to make. He's the younger one.
How do you know? Our ages starting out a bad
foot with me, I'm counting the tree rings.

Speaker 5 (14:55):
Okay. My wife is in the other room and she's
got her leg up.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
She was working with the out.

Speaker 5 (15:03):
Of me and she was saying, why can't I guess
get that UAP thing? I want to call it UFO,
And you know everybody is like that. He was of
our generation.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
Sure, well, do you mind if the old man asked
you a question?

Speaker 5 (15:18):
Yes, I bow to my senior.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
Thank you by Oh baby, you're good.

Speaker 5 (15:24):
You know.

Speaker 3 (15:25):
One of the things I wanted to ask you right
off is you have four undergraduate degrees, And I got
to tell you that's amazing, because I mean, it took me,
uh god knows how long to get just one. So
what were your degrees? In Padre?

Speaker 5 (15:41):
My first associate degree was in a general studies from
a community college. It had an independent study program for
gifted students, so I took that opportunity to create my
own study program in meteorology and interned under some of
the best meteorologists in the Minneapolis Saint Paul area that
we're working for the CBS affiliate WCCO there, and that's
how I got started, right, Yeah, that's where I got started, uh,

(16:04):
in TV weather there. They then put me through the
University of Minnesota, where I got my bachelor's in communications
and minored in physical geography. I guess it's called earth
studies today. From there, I went to the University of
Mississippi State University into their broadcast meteorology program and I
got the certificate of completion from there, and then the

(16:28):
last certificate is from Bible College Ministerial Credentials and becoming
an ordained minister.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
Now you did all these technical degrees communication, earth science, meteorology,
and that's fantastic. What led you to get into ministry?
Why did you all of a sudden shift to I mean,
I look at all these technical degrees that you have,
scientific in some ways, and then you go to more
of philosophy type of base. What what did something happen

(17:00):
to you or was there something that well, I mean
that's a reasonable question.

Speaker 5 (17:06):
When I took my aptitude test in community college, the
counselor said, you need to be one of three things
you need to be a priest, a farmer, or a
military commander, and.

Speaker 3 (17:18):
So you've far the biggest. The only thing I'd become
is a garbage collector, he said.

Speaker 5 (17:28):
You know, I'm one of those guys has just never
figured out which half of the brain writer left I was.
I just have an insatiable curiosity about things. And I
was raised in a Christian home. I'm the son of
a World War Two veteran sergeant in the South Pacific
Theater Bronze Star winner Army Don and he he raised

(17:50):
me right, he and my mom.

Speaker 3 (17:52):
Did you know?

Speaker 5 (17:52):
I went to church twice on Sunday and every Wednesday
night growing up, And like most people my age, in
the teens, you have a period of time when you
test the barriers, you wander away a little bit. And
then I came back into the faith. And because I've
always been an outgoing person in terms of public speaking,
I started teaching Bible classes and then predy soon wasn't

(18:15):
long before a pastor said, I'm going to be gone Sunday.
Can you fill in for me? And I went filling
in for several Sundays, and then it was wasn't until
we moved to Nebraska that a church called me up.
They didn't have a pastor and they say, could you
fill in for two weeks. Well, I ended up being
at that church for six years and from there on
it just kept going. I've always been since two thousand

(18:37):
and nine. I've been in ministry part time until two
years ago when I went full time.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
That's fantastic. What is SWOT? I mean you do opportunities
in threats?

Speaker 5 (18:51):
Yeah, Strength, weakness, opportunities and threats. Cabella has created a
position for me that internally called STRAT and that was
strategic time driven research and analysis of threats and opportunities.
And I published a daily briefing that went out through
the corporation on what was happening in the various elements

(19:13):
of news. We had the economic report, we had of
course a detailed meteorology report and how it was going
to affect all of our retail locations that day. We
talked about emerging technologies, we talked about politics. We had
a section kind of like a newspaper for everything there
and that was really where I hit my element. I
loved that job and it was really great for me.
So that's what that stands for.

Speaker 3 (19:35):
So before I shut up and turned it over back
to Commander, I want to ask you this last question here.
And this is something that is important to me because
during the course of learning about UAP's UFOs, and one
of the things that stick with me is Don's paper
that he brought up and one of the things in

(19:56):
that paper is really the idea that these things are
not friendly. And so I started researching what Don had written,
and I come to believe that they're not friendly. I
don't think they're here for our best interest, and I
think there's a spiritual component. And the reason I say
that is because I'm a fan of Tucker Carlson. And

(20:17):
you know, Tucker Carlson was a big UFO nut. Yes,
he always had it on his shows about UFO's ufolks.
And then he stopped. And I was wondering why Tucker
Carlson stopped. So I searched the internet and stuff, and
I found an interview between him and Joe Rogan and
it was pretty frightening because he stopped because what he
found out was so scary. And I want to play

(20:39):
this and maybe get your reaction to it and stuff.
Is that okay? Do that?

Speaker 7 (20:44):
The deeper level is what? Okay, So if they're spiritual beings,
which I believe they are, Like it's a binary. They're
either you know, you're on team good or team bad.
You can assign any name to it you want, But like,
what are these things are?

Speaker 3 (20:59):
They are bad.

Speaker 7 (21:01):
And and I think some of them are bad. And
if the US government knows that, or elements the people
within the US government know that, then you know, then
they're serving a bad force.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
And well when you say spiritual, like what makes you
draw that conclusion that they're spiritually?

Speaker 7 (21:19):
What's the obvious I mean spiritual maybe the wrong words supernatural?
You know, they're beyond nature as we understand it. I mean,
obviously they are. I mean, just chart their physical behavior.
It doesn't you know, it goes outside of what we
understand about physics, no visible means of propulsion, you know,
coming at indescribable speed, hitting the ocean, continuing at speeds

(21:40):
that are impossible under sea. I mean, in other words,
if I if I take it, you know, nine millimeters
around or seven six by thirty nine and shoots you
at fifty yards underwater in a swimming pool, and it's
even more intense and saltwater because it's denser, you could
catch the bullet if it even makes it to you. Right, So,
if you have a craft, any object under water that's
traveling at five hundred knots as measured by sonar, right there,

(22:03):
you're challenging our understanding physics, like what is that?

Speaker 3 (22:06):
How can that be? So I like your comment on that, Padre.

Speaker 5 (22:13):
I agree with what he said, and I'm glad he
corrected himself from spiritual beings to supernatural beings, because we
are spiritual beings. We are not physical beings that have
a spirit or soul within us. We are spiritual beings
housed inside this shell of flesh and bone. And we

(22:33):
know from the Bible, and I would say even from
some texts of religion that aren't the Bible, that there
seem to be two sides to the universe, a good
and a bad right wrong. And in the Christian faith,
the head of the bad we call Satan the deceiver.

(22:54):
And people have a misconception about Satan. They think he
runs around in a like a red natard with a
pitchfork and is the supervisor of hell. The Bible tells
us hell was created for him, that's where he's going.
But right now he's roaming the earth looking for people
to take with him. So his mission isn't to get

(23:15):
you to worship him. His mission isn't to get you
to sacrifice goats on an altar and where pentagrams know.
All he wants to do is cause you to lose
faith in Christ and not pursue that, and then he
has succeeded in taking your soul. So what I want
to do is increase awareness about this tactic, because Scripture

(23:36):
is clear that as the clock winds down, a lot
of things are going to happen. We're going to see
a lot of weird stuff in the sky. Bible tells
us that, and we're also going to see a great
deception that's going to come upon the human race. And
I don't really know what that is, but I'm wondering
if that might be related to UAP. For example, let

(24:00):
me just throw a hypothetical at you.

Speaker 3 (24:02):
Here.

Speaker 5 (24:03):
I did this with the Commander on the phone a
few days ago. Let's say that a couple of years
from now, we have that great moment when a UAP
lands on the White House lawn disclosure. You can't hide
it anymore. They're there, and here comes this being out
of this thing and says, we've been watching you a
long time, and now it's time for us to come

(24:25):
and kind of give you a little help along. We're
going to cure your diseases, We're going to cure your famine.
You're not going to have to fight each other anymore
because we're going to see too that every nation has
what they need to thrive. It's all going to be
a paradise on Earth. Just one thing, there's a group
of people over here that we don't think are going

(24:46):
to be assimilated to this, and we did to get
rid of them. So let's say maybe it's Christians, Jews,
muslim gaze, people with dark hair.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
Whatever it is.

Speaker 5 (25:00):
The Aliens don't want. That group of people has to
go in exchange for paradise on Earth. If you're not
part of that group that's been going to twenty twenty four.
I think part of that is happening right now. We've
never been so divisive in the world as we are now.

(25:22):
I heard a shocking statistic today, it was on the
radio that and we're not going to go into politics,
You're going to use an example. Twenty eight percent of
Americans from all parties think it would have been better
for the country if the sniper's bullet would have killed
Donald Trump. That's more than a quarter of our fellow

(25:43):
countrymen think it would have been better for America had
that effort succeeded. So already, in answer to my hypothetical question,
you've got a quarter of the population or more that's
willing to sacrifice some life for a greater good. And
that's troubling.

Speaker 4 (26:02):
Well, maybe so. But here's another statistic to figure into that,
and that is seventy four million people roughly voted for
Trump in twenty twenty. Now, a lot of those people

(26:23):
are military veterans, quite a substantial number. And there are
a lot of people that would see that as the
opening shots fired at Fort Sumter. Now you know anything
about history, you know what I'm getting at. That could
have been a very bad day.

Speaker 5 (26:47):
It could have. But I have a listen of questions
here that I want to ask you guys, if you'd
be so kind as to allow me.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
I've fairly knew yes, no, I said, please don't go good.

Speaker 5 (26:58):
Okay, I'm fairly new into the UAP experience. I had
some sightings when I was younger, and I can tell
you about that later, and just recently have become with
this renewed interest, and my knowledge of the subject pales

(27:19):
in comparison to you, gentlemen, and probably most of the
people who are listening. But as a pastor, in order
to determine are these beings good or bad for humanity,
I'm interested in what they are saying. And I know you,
gentlemen have investigated a number of cases. Is there a
repository somewhere accessible to someone like me that has cataloged

(27:43):
the messages that these beings have given to the people
who see.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
Them aside from the Bible? I'm not good one, and
I don't mean that with any kind of sarcasm at all.
I think you know where I'm at on that, Dan,
you're our lead person for this.

Speaker 4 (28:05):
As far as an archive, I am not aware of
anywhere where that might be available how soever. On a
historical level, going back to the late late nineteen forties

(28:26):
the nineteen fifties, there was a movement within the at
that time UFO field Flying Saucers, which actually was more
prevalent then than even UFO. The UFO acronym actually came
from the United States Air Force, but there was.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
Other reason to celebrate their birthday exactly.

Speaker 4 (28:51):
There was a movement called the contact ye movement. I remember,
and at that point in time you can f this online.

Speaker 3 (29:02):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (29:04):
There have been many books written about the contact e movement,
the various contact eats, and basically, without going into who
they all were, the overwhelming theme at that time by
people human beings that alleged to have been contacted by

(29:26):
what they referred to as the Space Brothers was getting
rid of our nuclear weapons. Now, that goes much deeper
than simply on the surface getting rid of nukes. Hey, nukes,
Let's face it, they're bad. Nukes are very bad. Nukes

(29:51):
kill everything, all right, flowers and puppies and kittens, and
especially people. They destroy buildings. Now, at the time, we
were in the midst of the Red Scare, the communist threat. Okay,

(30:13):
the FBI under j. Edgar Hoover saw this message as
a national potential, national security threat, and they began investigating
secretly these contact these people like Georgia Danski and Oh

(30:35):
my Heaven, there were many, many others, and the bottom
line was the messages that these people were receiving, allegedly
are in many of those books Now that's one area
you could check in the sixties, all right. At that time,

(31:00):
back in the fifties, looking at it in hindsight, it
was not very sophisticated. In the sixties, it began to
get a veneer of sophistication. One of the people that
helped that process along was a man by the name
of Donald Keehole. Keyhole had been a naval graduate from Annapolis.

(31:26):
Back in nineteen twenty two, he became a United States Marine.
He became an aviator. He led the first air squadron
from the United States into the island of Guam. Later
he was involved in an air crash which necessitated his retiring.

(31:49):
This was in the late twenties, early thirties. From the
Marine Corps, he became an aviation writer, and it was
in the mid to late nineteen forties and he discovered
this phenomenon of UFO's flying saucers and he began some
in depth research. Later he became the director of NIGHTCAP,

(32:13):
the National Investigative Committee on Aerial Phenomenon And as an aside,
because of his military academy associations, the first one of
his classmates was.

Speaker 5 (32:30):
The first director.

Speaker 4 (32:33):
Of the Central Intelligence Agency, Roscoe Hillencotter, and he sat
Hillencotter sat on the board of Nightcap. Now, their main
stick that whole period of time was trying to get
Congress to hold hearings on this, and the government dehemantly

(32:56):
fought back against that. Finally here rings were held in
sixty seven sixty eight because of a lot of other
business that was going on. But the bottom line was
the government of the United States, the military, the intelligence
agencies had one primary objective to shut this down, which

(33:22):
they ended up successfully doing. But of course, shutting down
things like Project Bluebook, which was basically a US Air
Force whitewash of the subject material. Okay, didn't do a
thing because the UFOs kept showing up. I'll shut up now, Commander.

Speaker 3 (33:45):
No, not at all, not at all.

Speaker 5 (33:49):
So you mentioned this stuff going on. I'm a child
of the sixties, and when I was still in grade school,
I had seen this thing in the sky and I
got interested, and I picked up a book called The
UFO Experience by Jay Allen Heinik, and you know, he
was relating I forget this might have been early seventies,

(34:11):
was relating some of these things that you were talking about.
And what annoyed me, even as a grade school child.
Is when you see what people are reporting and then
they come out with swamp gas or a lenticular cloud. Well,
being a meteorologist, I know a thing or two about
lenticular clouds, and you'd have to be a few drinks

(34:33):
in before you mistaked one for an actual spacecraft and
pretty lame stuff at least. Now it seems that the
government is coming to a point. Well they're there, but
we don't know what they are, which I don't necessarily
buy either, and I think coming into something a little
more sophisticated than vaporous material as to what they are.

(34:54):
But yeah, it was a period of time of great suppression,
which I think can take news today.

Speaker 4 (35:01):
Well, Padre, to tell you the truth, I've been involved
in this field now going on almost forty years. My
wife began a publication in nineteen eighty six called UFO Magazine.
She was a working journalist, had a journalism degree. We

(35:26):
met in nineteen eighty eight, Thank god it clicked. We
ended up marrying, happily married to this day, and for
over twenty years we published that magazine. Now, my background
was as a criminal investigator. I was a police officer

(35:46):
like Chris. Chris was a homicide detective. That's something I
think this show has that is very, very unique, because
we both asked inconvenient questions, okay, and as a result
of that, we really bored in. And I had a

(36:10):
series in the magazine that ran for a number of
years called The Whistleblowers, where I exposed in print and
also on my various radio programs I've been a broadcaster
since nineteen ninety one, okay, where I've exposed these people

(36:33):
trying to pull a fast one over the UFO public
a lot of times as a money making scam, or
they were seeking celebrity, whatever it was that made many
of these scamsters operate.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (36:52):
But the bottom line is, and you had mentioned something
that I want to address. The bottom line is when
I first really became heavily professionally involved, I was then
convinced that this was a nuts and bolts phenomena. In

(37:17):
other words, I was convinced they were coming from another
star system, and some of them undoubtedly have. But as
time went on and I was in the middle of
some very strange cases over the years, I began looking

(37:40):
at other possible probabilities of what some of these things
are inter dimensional. Now, when you talk about inter dimensional,
you're talking about apparently, for the most partiant beings entering

(38:03):
our universe from another universe through some type of portal.
And I've been involved in some cases where that seemed
to be the most viable solution. But there's also another

(38:27):
possibility that you and I also briefly addressed earlier concerning
the Great Flood. Okay, roughly twelve thousand, six hundred years ago,
something beyond momentous happened to this planet. And when it happened,

(38:53):
not only did the oceans rise many hundreds of feet,
but vast millions of fauna and giant fauna seemingly disappeared
in the blink of an eye. And when I talk
about massive loss of life of giant fauna, I'm talking

(39:16):
about things like saber tooth cats, things like short faced
cave bears, things like giant ground slots, Okay, animals that
were bigger than a Volkswagen Beetle or a Buick Sedan. Okay,
Suddenly giant wooly mammoths gone in an eyeblink. Now, whatever

(39:41):
that was, and I am convinced it was because of
an astronomical event, A comet or parts and pieces of
a comet hit not only northern Europe but North America,
which caused the ice sheets, sometimes two miles in depth,

(40:01):
to melt in a matter of weeks or maybe a
couple of months. That screwed up the conveyor belt, that
gulf stream that runs up to Europe and bat that
keeps the planet relatively temperate. That basically got all fouled up.

(40:26):
We had another mini ice age. And when that happened,
how many millions of human beings were either killed or displaced. Now,
if if there was a relatively advanced society or culture

(40:52):
at the time, and God only knows how advanced they
may have been, because if we were adding visitors from
off world here, I'm sure there was some type of
liaison present. What if some of those humans, advanced humans

(41:13):
left the planet because they could see what was happening,
and later, when things calmed down, came back. And I
have a reason for saying this, Believe me, they went underground.
There's a heck of a lot of proof that somebody
did some very extensive underground work, not only here but

(41:37):
around the planet. Okay, so what if some of those
beings are actually human beings, the descendants of the ones
that left and came back, and why are they hiding? Well,
good God, if you turn on the news tonight and

(41:57):
you take a look at the news, that might be
one big reason they're hiding. But at any rate, that's
my personal take on what you were talking about.

Speaker 5 (42:10):
Would you entertain an alternate theory?

Speaker 4 (42:12):
Absolutely?

Speaker 5 (42:13):
Okay. In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth,
and we have these first chapters of Genesis that tell
us a little bit about what life was like.

Speaker 3 (42:23):
Then.

Speaker 5 (42:24):
We know that there was lush vegetation the garden of Eden.
We know that it did not rain on Earth until
the time of Noah's flood. Bible says that everything was
watered from underneath these waters. Beneath, these subterranean sources of
water came up and tended to the roots of the plants.
On the surface. There was something in the sky called

(42:45):
the firmament. Their speculation as to what this may be.
So I'll put out a theory. A layer of ice
crystals surrounding the outer atmosphere of Earth. This layer of
ice crystals would have had a number of effects on
life on Earth. Effect would have been this screening out
of ultraviolet light. All those things diseases and so forth,

(43:06):
cancers that are caused by ultraviolet light would not have existed.
Then you've got this greenhouse effect around the planet. Now
here's where it intersects with your theory. Don Man sins.
God decides he's going to start over. What if he
sent a comet. Now, up until this time, the Earth

(43:27):
has not been tilted on its axis. It's been oriented vertically,
meaning the weather is the same at the north pole
and the south pole. Suddenly, this big ball of ice
comes crashing through the firmament, and let's say it hits
Siberia instead of North America. As you posit, what's going

(43:48):
to happen. Immediately, all of this ice is dislaunched, and
as it falls, it melts and creates parential rain. The
Bible says that the surf is fractured and the water
came up from beneath. So this comet hits the Earth,
and like cracking the surface of an egg, all these
faults develop and all that subterranean water comes up. The

(44:11):
heavenly water comes down. Now the atmosphere is suddenly super
cooled at the point of comet impact, because they're made
of ice. This is how you get mammoths with frozen
meals still in their stomachs, and we can still find
them today, perfectly preserved specimens of mammals that were flash frozen.

(44:33):
This impact. What if it suddenly rocked the Earth on
its axis. If you've ever taken like a snow globe
and you suddenly rock it back and forth, you see
the tremendous waves that are created. You would have megas
tsunamis that wash over any island or coastal community anywhere

(44:57):
on the planet, and like a ringing bill with vibrations
going back and forth. This process would have continued for
some time. Bible tells us the rain alone continued for
forty days and forty nights. So that's one theory. I'm
just throwing it out there, and you know, people can
mock me for that or whatever, but that's a possible

(45:20):
solution that ties into scripture that covers a lot of
what you said, Dot.

Speaker 4 (45:25):
Well, we know that roughly thirteen thousand years ago, half
of North America was covered in ice sheets, same same
with Europe. Okay, Now, something caused that iced to dissipate,

(45:47):
to melt, to go away. Recently within a number, and
I don't offhand recall how many years ago in Greenland,
all right, a massive one hundred mile in diameter meteor

(46:09):
site or asteroid site that was hit was discovered right
now it is under massive amounts of ites. So we
know giant astronomical objects have impacted the planet many, many,
many times in the past. Good Lord, all you got

(46:32):
to do is, if you have a telescope, go outside,
look at the Moon and you'll see all those massive
craters on the Moon. Well, Earth is not much different.
But the reason we can see what happened to the
Moon they have no climate up there, they have no air,

(46:52):
they have no nothing to basically cover up the impacts
on this planet. We do, but we are finding where
objects hit the planet all the time, especially with our
space born satellites today that we can examine the planet

(47:16):
from the altitude of our satellites spice satellites. So yeah,
it's not a mystery to me. And you talk about Siberia,
Siberia is a very interesting spot, remote, very very few

(47:37):
people have ever made it to Siberia except the Russians,
of course. But in the nineteen thirties National Geographic my
grandfather's brother had been a subscriber to that GEO since

(47:58):
the late eighteen nineties, and when he passed on in
the early nineteen sixties, his widow sold to my father
all of those national geographics going back years, okay, And

(48:18):
when I was a kid, Oh my lord, that was
something I love to do. I would jump into those,
start going through reading articles and what have you. And
I'll never forget one from around nineteen thirty seven, I
believe it was somewhere in that time period where the

(48:38):
article was talking about some Siberian hunters that found some
flash frozen mammoths all right, and as you said, correctly,
they even found buttercups in the animal's mouth. Well, these

(48:59):
animals were so well preserved that the article stated those
Siberian hunters actually butchered the animal and ate the meat. Okay,
so yeah, something happened. But they also discovered giant boneyards

(49:21):
of these animals. And the only thing that could have
explained what had happened were giant thousand miles per hour
wind that literally picked up herds of these animals and

(49:42):
smashed them apart. So whatever it was, Padre, that happened,
it was momentous.

Speaker 5 (49:51):
Indeed, I want to circle back and touch on some things.
As you brought up when you were speaking earlier down
it was like you were backing up a dump truck
of information and dumping it over me. And I just
want to pick a couple of goodies here. You mentioned portals.
I'm into portals. If you read my books, there are
plenty of portals in the books. Interdimensional Okay, one of

(50:14):
the I think one of the leading things that people
are saying these beings might be as we look at
a multiverse scenario. Well, there's concern among some what would
the news of interdimensional beings due to people of faith
and religion. My response is, verify what we've been saying

(50:35):
for centuries that there are other dimensions. There is a
spiritual dimension through which angels and demons apparently can migrate
into Earth. There are dimensions that separate us from the afterlife.
There is a hell, there is a heaven, and we're

(50:55):
going to one of the two places depending upon our
relationship with Christ. So as we look at portals as
a possibility, I'm all for that.

Speaker 6 (51:06):
And what we have too is we have some people
who are looking to the UAP occupants and their hope
is that these beings here in our time of crisis
on earth, will come from the sky, that they will
insert themselves into human history.

Speaker 5 (51:27):
That they will provide a way by which the human
race can save itself, so that the future can be
enjoyed by all with peace, no more sorrow, no more pain,
no more crying. Well, we know that story. It's the
story of Christ coming from the heavens to Earth, giving

(51:52):
himself on a cross for the sins of mankind, rising
from the dead, and then the invitation to join him
in eternity. So there are religious overtones here and spiritual
overtones that link together when we talk about the UAP
situation and matters of faith. The word angel in both

(52:14):
Hebrew and Greek translates literally as messenger. So when we see,
like the Angel Gabriel appeared to Mary to the annunciation
that she was going to have the Christ Child, it
would be a messenger from the heavens. So throughout scripture
we have interaction in the Bible from heavenly messengers inserting

(52:39):
themselves into the affairs of humanity. And I would say
to people who find this interesting, who may not have
read a Bible, pick one up and read it and
see about these interactions. And why I was so concerned
about the messages that they're giving is because that can
tell us a little bit about what side they're on. Now,

(53:00):
I'm not former military, and I thank you guys for
serving our country as you did. But I try to
play strategy sometimes, and to my mind says, if a
obviously technically advanced race comes and tells me to give
up my most powerful weapon, is it because they're afraid

(53:22):
of what we could possibly do to them if they
were to come and invade. Now, if a stranger comes
and knocks in my front door and says, hello, mister Carlson,
I'd like you to give up your guns because they're bad, Well, no,
not happening. So does anyone approach it from that angle?

Speaker 4 (53:42):
Well, okay, you you've opened up another Pandora's box.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
Don I'm gonna I'm gonna put you on I'm gonna
put you on hold here for a second time because
we got all five minutes to the end, and I
want to give Chris a chance to jump in.

Speaker 4 (53:58):
Well.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
To answer your question and Padre that there is a
catalog of of of information of contactees who have explained
about their experiences. We've we've interviewed them. I've interviewed all
kinds of contact these and I got to tell you
ninety nine point nine of them. The communications frightening. The

(54:24):
experience is frightening. It's one of those where there's no negotiations,
there's no asking, it's I've come through a dimensional portal
in your room, which a lot of abductees have done,
or bright light, and they're there. They take you to
an unknown place. The only basically say to you, you

(54:48):
know were they and they lie, They absolutely lie. They say, hey,
we're not going to hurt you. And the people who
have had the abduction experience have have a tremendous amount
of pain. And you know, there's a like I like
you talked about, there's a spiritual component to this because
one of the things, and we actually have it in

(55:11):
the Mutual UFO Network questionnaire, is if you put in
the name of Jesus, does the experience stop? And a
lot of them will say yes, the experience has stopped.
And that's one of the things that when we interview them,
we find that the people who have been abducted become

(55:34):
much more spiritual. Even though there's no they don't see
or recognize a spiritual component to their tractor event. And
you got to remember, these people are being kidnapped. They're
not being asked. Nobody's coming down and saying, hey, you know,
we like to take some stuff from your body because
it's going to help us or not. They're taken in
the middle of the night, They're brought to an unknown place,

(55:57):
things are extracted from their body without permission, and their
experiment and on some of the most horrible ways, horrific ways,
and anybody that tells me what a wonderful experience they
had during such a thing like that, I tend to
be a little suspicious because most of them say, Chris,

(56:18):
I don't ever want this to happen to me again.
I don't ever want to go through that again. It's
one of those things where we say, oh my god,
you know this has got to stop.

Speaker 5 (56:28):
Chris, I have a question for you.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
I'm going to jump in because we're right at the break.

Speaker 3 (56:32):
Here.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
Right after the break, our special guest, Dan Carson call
signed Padre for the show Tonight You if he Crossfire
is our very special guest and a super fan of
the show. We've been talking about Dan's experiences and understanding
into this very interesting way of approaching it. You can
check Dan Carlson Wrights dot com as a really great

(56:56):
place to start, and we will talk a little bit
about his book Sky Questions when we come on the
backside of the show. Thanks for tuning in you AP Crossfire.
See you on the other side of the break. Welcome
back to UAP Crossfire on KGr A dB. Chris don
Ecker my co host special guest tonight, Dan Carlson call

(57:17):
signed Padre. I do want to throw out that I
see Andy, Kathoics and Wrath are in the chat room
and I always welcome guests. Haven't received any emails tonight.
Also some really great news if you saw our show
last week, our guest last week, Darsing and Andy are

(57:37):
starting up a show this Wednesday night, and that show
runs eight to nine Eastern Time, and it's last night
on UFO. Twitter is the title of it. It's going
to have a very interesting format from what was being
shared in our pre show warm up as we were
getting together, So please tune that in. They were great

(57:59):
guests like our us tonight. Before I turn it over
to Chris, Dan, I want to make sure that we
mentioned your books. For anybody who heard your opening that
was here for the first part of the show. Often
when something rises high on a Christian fill in the
blank before or after that word species unknown and the

(58:25):
second follow up, Species unleashed. These are fairly adult books.
This is this is not there, They're they're they're extremely
well written. Your your your background shines in them in
the approach. But a lot of people would say, well,

(58:46):
I'm not going to read that. I mean, it's written
by a pastor in in South Dakota and it's number
one on a Christian label. It reminds me of some
of the Christian rock groups that I remember in the
seventies when that became a growing They were a little
bit hard to tell from some of the mellow groups
that were out there. You had to pay attention to

(59:07):
the lyrics to catch because the beat wasn't too far
off of it. So that's my point that I make
about the books. I think they're well worth and you
have a couple other interesting ones they're out there as well.
Before we turn you over to Chris, Chris, can you
bring up the very interesting slide that Dan shared with
us When we're talking and I'm going to have Dan
give a quick explanation about this what this slide represents. Dan,

(59:30):
could you, pastor Dan aka Padre, could you take us
through this real quick. I think it's a very interesting
remark that you made with this.

Speaker 5 (59:39):
This is a graphic that I was first exposed to
when listening to a lecturer by doctor Jordan Peterson who
some people may recognize that name. It is a graphic
prepared by Chris Harrison, who's an associate professor of human
computer interaction at Carnegie Mellon University and Pastor Christoph Romhild

(01:00:00):
to describe what you're looking at here. You have a
black line on the bottom. This black line is actually
composed of thousands of individual black lines crammed together at
the edge on the far left of the screen as
Genesis from far right. The end is the end of
the Book of Revelation. Every verse in the Bible has

(01:00:22):
a vertical black line sticking up from that base. What
they did with computer assistance is they took and they
connected verses that referred to one another in some way,
shape or form. We call this in ministry or in
church cross referencing, and some Bibles have this. You'll open

(01:00:43):
up a Bible, and in the margin there near the
spine of the book, it'll list other verses that that
verse it's next to would connect to. Well, what they
found here was more than sixty three thousand and seven
hundred self references to versus.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
In the Bible.

Speaker 5 (01:01:01):
Keeping in mind that the Bible was written by more
than forty men over a period of time that span
from when Joe but the oldest book of the Bible
was written somewhere around two thousand BC to the end
of the first century AD. So you've got twenty six
hundred year period, I'm sorry, a twenty one hundred year

(01:01:21):
period there in which different men from different parts of
the Mediterranean world wrote things that referred to the things
that other men would be writing later, even centuries later.
This makes the Bible the oldest hyper linked document known

(01:01:42):
to exist, if you want to think of it in
that way. It truly is a miraculous book, and I
encourage all to read it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
I just think it's a really interesting point because there
is a lot of extraterrestrial UFO UAP, the activity that
shows up in the bottle. It's there, and it's well
worth the time to read. For a lot of reasons,
but I just wanted to share that with the audience

(01:02:11):
because I thought it was a very interesting and anything
that has been doctor peterson In involved. I'm not sure
if he's doctor mister peterson In. I'm very intrigued with
He has one of the most engaging intellects of our time.
I enjoy him.

Speaker 3 (01:02:28):
Chris.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
Before we jumped to the break, you were you were
leading us a little bit. Please pick it up.

Speaker 3 (01:02:33):
No, I actually the padre had a question for me.
Go ahead.

Speaker 5 (01:02:38):
You you had mentioned invoking the name of Jesus in abductees.
Are you familiar with a group called Close Encounters of
the Fourth Kind or CE four? Have you heard of them?

Speaker 3 (01:02:50):
I know what what CE four is. I've studied CE four.
I have never had the contact with that group, but
I can tell you that I work with an experience
or research team. I'm on the experience or resource team
for the Mutual UFO Network, and we worked together, and

(01:03:12):
we worked with hundreds of abductees. I mean, there's just
so many and these stories are all frightening, and it's
not just evoking the name of Jesus. I mean that
actually Kathleen Martin, who probably started the whole thing was
one of the things she told abductees, says, if you
are you know, evoke the name of Jesus, because it

(01:03:35):
has actually worked at times, not all the time, but
it has worked at times that the abduction experiences stops.

Speaker 5 (01:03:43):
This group, on their website, which I was reading earlier today,
has a file they claim a three hundred and fifty
abductee instances that were halted when they invoked the name
of Christ and the beans went away.

Speaker 3 (01:03:59):
And if we looked at go ahead, No, I know,
I go ahead. I was just gonna say, if we
consider that, mister George, I'm sorry, mister George.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
I'm gonna start.

Speaker 3 (01:04:13):
We're just getting into this. Look you know the thing
that I believe, and I'll just put it in a
nutshell and I'll show a video of it too, Padre.
Is that I think because of what don actually put
me on this road, I think there's something so sinister,
so nefarious, that we're not going to see disclosure. And

(01:04:35):
I think it's partly spiritual in this effect, because remember
lou Alezondo and other people in the military have been
told we know what this is, we know it's demonic.
They have said this. I have spoken to engineers and
other people who have researched this and have talked to abductees,

(01:04:57):
and they're starting to go to the other side that
there's something very nefarious, very demonic in some shape happening
with this. And let me play this video and then
I'll ask everybody what they think about it is.

Speaker 7 (01:05:12):
Years, you know, to what end. So there are two
possible explanations obvious explanations. The first is the one you
often hear, which is this is so heavy that if
the public were to know about it, it would be
just disruptive. It would be too scary, Like you don't
want to scare people for no good reason. There's nothing
we can do about it. And you also don't want
to suggest that, you know, the US military isn't capable

(01:05:35):
of protecting the country, the homeland. And it does suggest
that if you can't control these objects in your airspace,
and that's known that they can't, that's known, Okay, then
that suggests a limit to the power of the US military.
And you don't want to tell people that because then
they like won't believe that they're safe.

Speaker 3 (01:05:53):
I get it.

Speaker 7 (01:05:55):
But then there's a deeper level, which is like, okay,
what's your relationship with these things? What is the US
government's relationship with these things? And there's evidence that there
is a relationship and that it's a longstanding and that
raises like a lot of questions about intent and.

Speaker 3 (01:06:15):
So like what is that?

Speaker 7 (01:06:16):
And I just personally decided, you know, and people have
been hurt by these things. You know, that's a fact.
That's a fact. It's a noble fact, it's a provable fact.

Speaker 3 (01:06:27):
And killed.

Speaker 7 (01:06:28):
And I'm not saying millions of people have been killed by
whatever these things are, but people have been killed, and
it's known because it's working its way through the courts out.

Speaker 3 (01:06:36):
Of the VA.

Speaker 7 (01:06:36):
So I don't know an object that is by definition supernatural,
it's above the laws of nature as we understand them,
and that has resulted in the deaths of people, But
we don't spend enough time thinking about like what that
adds up to, like not good? Actually not good.

Speaker 3 (01:07:00):
So based on what I've learned, I think it's a
there's something very nefarious, possibly demonic, possibly a spiritual type
of war going on. We've seen through the like Donna says,
we've seen through history that there are paintings and everything

(01:07:22):
they show wars that we can't explain, you know, fights
in the sky with things that are going on, so
we have to I think we have to start looking
in different directions for answers.

Speaker 5 (01:07:37):
No, I agree with you, and I you know, it's
like I said at the very beginning of the program,
more than one thing can be true at once. And
are all UAPs demonic? No, I don't think they are.
But I do agree with you that there is a
component of this, and I'm particularly speaking about the abduction
and those instances where people are harmed or they are

(01:08:00):
are made afraid and they feel that sense of helplessness.
That's not the way that God works, That's not the
way that his angels work. That is the way that
demons would work. And we know from scripture that they
can take any form. They can manifest themselves in the
most horrible monster your mind is ever conceived, or they
can come to you as an angel of light with

(01:08:21):
flowers and trumpets. The thing that they do is that
they deceive, and their goal is the destruction of humanity,
to take as many humans with them as possible. So
I think you're spot on there, Chris.

Speaker 3 (01:08:35):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
Don I'm going to you spent part of your career
and really before you defined it into your investigative work
for UFO Magazine on animal mutilations and the nearly unsolvable

(01:09:00):
reasons behind that. And the reason I bring it up
because obviously to me, there seems to be something very
evil in that situation. And to answer your question, Chris,
I think the other important part that Tucker Callson brought
up is that I think it's a very logical conclusion,
and I think a lot of events around us are

(01:09:22):
playing out to make this scene a lot more possible, probable. Active.
Is that some kind of an agreement, some kind of
an accommodation has been made that people do some people
do have the understanding, and it's the reckoning of that

(01:09:43):
coming out is just too great a price to pay
for power, for stability, whatever it is. So I think
that that second part fits in there very well, and
that's always been my theory.

Speaker 3 (01:09:57):
Here's just I just want to throw this out here.
I see the world changing because I talk to Don
all the time. I keep saying Don's name, and Don's
not even not even replying to me. You're making me
feel bad. Don.

Speaker 4 (01:10:10):
Well, I didn't want to interrupt you while you're talking.

Speaker 3 (01:10:13):
Well, I'm just saying. We talk about Don and I
talk probably once a week about the world events that
are going on, and you could see the emergence of
and I don't want to turn this into a spiritual show,
but you see the emergence of evil. I mean, you
talk about Epstein Island, You're talking about Sean what's son Colmes?

(01:10:37):
He did he, whatever the hell's name is. You see
these terrible things happening with people who we look to
as a figurehead. And we're being looking at these people
and we're saying, oh my god, look at the terrible
things that they're doing. And you know, these are people

(01:10:59):
that you know, even young kids hold into high esteem.
And then we find out that they're really very evil
people human trafficking drugs, you know, hurting people and stuff
of that nature. And then now we get spiritual wars
between Hamas and the Palestine and Israel. And I mean,

(01:11:23):
this is stuff that or started coming throughout the world
and people are are just going after each other.

Speaker 4 (01:11:33):
Well I am I am going to interrupt you for
one second.

Speaker 3 (01:11:36):
Chris. There you go, buddy.

Speaker 4 (01:11:38):
And I got to give props to the Israeli Defense
Force for thinking outside the box.

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
I was so far outside the box. They're back in
the woods when the box was still on trees before
they took it down and turned it into paper and
made it into a box that exploded on command.

Speaker 4 (01:11:58):
I was talking to my wife about that earlier today,
and I said, good God, talk about the world of
dirty tricks. You don't poke the bear and then act
surprised when the bear gets real pissed off and cuffsha. Okay,
but I've been talking about what Chris was talking about

(01:12:23):
about roughly twelve fifteen years ago. One morning, okay, I
have a routine that I do almost every day, thanks
for doing. I make a pot of coffee. I get
it ready the night before. I've got a timer on
my pot. It bruised it. When I come out, it's

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ready to go. And I sat down, like I often do,
enjoy my cap and turned on the radio. And whatever
was on the news that morning, it was something totally outrageous.
And my wife came out then and she got a cup,

(01:13:07):
sat down, and I said, sweetie, you're never going to
believe what I just heard. And then whatever outrageous thing
it was, I told her, and then suddenly I stopped,
and I may have said this to you guys before,
But I said, you know, Vicky, it's almost as if
we drifted into an alternate dimension because we didn't have

(01:13:34):
this kind of business going on. I was born in
the fifties. I grew up in the sixties. I graduated
high school in sixty eight. I came from an area
on the east coast Pennsylvania where in the fall it
was like Christmas in Easter and New Year's all rolled

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up because hunting season began. And at that time, all
my friends and I we haunted small game and what
have you. Everybody had access to a firearm.

Speaker 5 (01:14:09):
You never heard.

Speaker 4 (01:14:11):
About skill shootings or this crazy business that's so prevalent today.
And I said, my god, I said, wait a minute,
the Cern, the Cern, what the hell do you tell it?
The super super colider? What are they doing with that thing? Well,

(01:14:34):
this is a huge device. They're looking for exotic materials.
They shoot particles around practically at whites at light speed,
depending upon it to hit another particle coming the other way,
and then examining what they what they found. They were
looking for the God particle. Remember that everybody was talking

(01:14:57):
about finding the God particle. Well, what if they opened
up a portal. Now, Chris is correct. There is a
distinctive sense of evil stocking the land, and this is

(01:15:20):
something that it's hard to dismiss. It's there, my God.
For example, this past spring, Jewish Americans in this nation,
especially on college campuses, were put at extreme risk for

(01:15:45):
no other reason than they were Jewish. Okay, And who
was doing this? Supporters of a terrorist murdering and raping
group called Jumas on our land. They were marching with

(01:16:06):
these flags after they had invaded some Jewish enclaves and massacred,
in slaughtered innocent women, children, men, beheading babies. For God's sake,
you don't get any more evil than that. And I'll

(01:16:26):
just say it because I don't broach my words. Those
sons of bitches murdered little, tiny children, and we had
students supposedly celebrating that. Now, by God, if that's not evil,
I don't know what is evil.

Speaker 5 (01:16:49):
It seems to be that. I'm sorry, we have a
consensus of the commander has not yet weighed in that
evil seems to be on the march in the world.
So when I was at Cabela's, I had a mentoring
relationship with the CEO and he always said to me, Dan,
never bring me a problem unless you bring me a

(01:17:10):
solution to the problem as well. So, guys, if these entities,
or some of these entities uap entities are evil, and
if they have aligned themselves with certain rich or powerful
people on the planet, or perhaps they've taken the form
of them, who knows, what can we do? What do

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we do about them?

Speaker 4 (01:17:37):
Well? I I may have a solution. It wouldn't be
a pretty solution, okay, because I've come from the school
of hard knocks, not only as a soldier but also
as a police officer in my time. And this is

(01:18:03):
going to sound like I'm exaggerating, I'm not. I've been
shot four times, okay, twice in Vietnam, twice as a cop.
Now as a result, I have a short shrift when
it comes to acting out and acting up. All right,

(01:18:26):
Blame me, all right, because that's just the way it
is with me. But those people, if it would have
been up to me on those campuses, I would have
given especially the foreigners, a choice knock it off right now,

(01:18:46):
or I'm going to take your little patuity down to
the nearest airline. I'm going to put you on an aircraft,
and I'm going to drop your butt off in some
country in the Middle East that'll take you. And if
they don't want to take you, I'll be happy to
stick a parachute on you and throw your ass off. Okay,

(01:19:12):
that's one way. As far as the American students, every
one of those kids was violating college rules, regulations, policy,
if not the law. I got to tell you, I
get very upset when I see somebody desecrating or destroying
an American flag, a flag that I bled for all right,

(01:19:37):
that's my flag. I love that flag. I love the
idea of what this nation is. And if that makes
me a toxic mail, well, by God, so be it.
That's what I am. And I would have given those
kids a choice too. You either settle it down right now,

(01:19:57):
get your ass back to class, or we're going to
throw you off campus. You're gone, You're done. That's the
end period. That's how I would have handled it. But
as we all saw in congressional hearings, every one of
those college presidents were milk toast. They couldn't even describe

(01:20:23):
what hates speech when it dealt with killing Joe's Okay.

Speaker 5 (01:20:31):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:20:33):
Done, I gotta grib you here done. I don't mind
the conversation, but it's so it's getting so far away
from UAP.

Speaker 3 (01:20:41):
It's evil.

Speaker 4 (01:20:42):
It's about evil.

Speaker 2 (01:20:44):
I know.

Speaker 4 (01:20:44):
That's what we're talking about. There's an evil afoot that
is influencing everything around us.

Speaker 5 (01:20:52):
Let me interject here, maybe go back up a little
bit from the tactical to the strategic. If there is
an interdimensional evil force that seeks the destruction of humanity,
what do we do about it? Fortunately, the Bible has
an answer. There's a passage in the Book of Ephesians,

(01:21:14):
chapter six, verses ten to thirteen. It says, finally, be
strengthened in the Lord, in the strength of his power.
Clothe yourselves with the full armor of God, that you
will be able to stand against the schemes of the devil.
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but
against the rulers, the powers and the world, rulers of

(01:21:36):
this darkness, against spiritual forces of evil in heavenly places.
Says here we're at war with both the physical manifestation
of evil, which might be some of these UAP and
the aliens, and also with the spiritual force. And it
prescribes what we can do. Here's what you could do.
Number one, you put on the helmet of salvation. It

(01:21:56):
says that's get yourself right with God. Get yourself in
a position where you have that covering over your head.
Nextus is put on the breastplate of righteousness.

Speaker 4 (01:22:05):
What's that?

Speaker 5 (01:22:05):
It means, live righteously, don't get sucked into the evil,
do good, show love to your fellow man. Next week,
put on the belt of truth. That belt of truth
means we don't give in to the people who say
you can create your own truth. We say that there
is absolute truth, and when we pursue it, we pursue

(01:22:28):
what is right and just. It says, shod your feet
with the good news. Tell other people like we are
in this broadcast, that you don't need to face these
beings alone. There is a way that you can do
it with God's help.

Speaker 3 (01:22:43):
But Pottery, let me ask you this, Why is the
government hiding UFOs in UAPs. Why are they changing the agenda?
If this is something that's so good, the UAPs and
extras are going to come down. That's what people are thinking.
They're going to come down here and solve all our problem.
Why have they the government now changed their agenda, and

(01:23:05):
they start calling it a threat. UAPs are now a threat,
and they are right in congressional hearings they're saying these
things are a threat. They're asking pilots, are they're a threat?
The pilots are saying, yes they are. You know, there's
no technology that can you know, keep up with these things.

(01:23:28):
And now you're seeing something. First they didn't acknowledge it,
then they acknowledged it, but now they're saying the acknowledgment
is a threat, and we have to look at this
as a threat. So I'm asking you one, do you
think we're going to get disclosure and why not?

Speaker 5 (01:23:47):
I think we will get a disclosure. The question is
is it going to be a truthful disclosure. I think
that there are people in powerful positions who know what
these things are and have a line themselves with them,
and there's an agenda there. And what we will see
is what we'll see an acknowledgment of something, whether they

(01:24:11):
call it interdimensional, interplanetary, intergalactic, dormant humans coming up from
the ground, whatever it is. They're going to give us
a straw man to fight. But maybe that's not the
real battle we ought to be fighting. We should be
watching the other hand, because right now there just seems
to be such a concerted effort to master the manipulation

(01:24:33):
of us to move people in the water course that
they want to send us.

Speaker 3 (01:24:39):
Right. But you see, one part of the government is
saying these are a threat. Another part of the government
is saying nothing to sea heir folks. And they literally
are coming up with some of the most cockamaming things
I've ever seen. And well, for instance, here's the head
of the Naval Intelligence and he's trying to s hey, well,

(01:25:00):
we really can't get you a picture because we don't
have a computer that can stop this. This is a joke.
I watch this.

Speaker 8 (01:25:11):
Chairman, Chef, Chairman Carson, ranking Member Crawford, and Committee members,
thank you very much for the opportunity to be here
today to highlight the ongoing work of the Department of
Defense regarding unidentified aerial phenomena. Since the early two thousands,
we have seen an increasing number of unauthorized and or
unidentified aircraft or objects in military controlled training areas and

(01:25:33):
training ranges and other designated airspace. Reports of sightings are
frequent and continuing. We attribute this increase in reporting to
a number of factors. Including our work to destigmatize reporting,
an increase in the number of new systems such as
quad copters and unmannedarial systems that are in our airspace,
identification of what we can classify as clutter mile our

(01:25:54):
balloons and other types of air trash, and improvements in
the capabilities of our various to detect things in our airspace.
Almost two years ago, in August of twenty twenty eight,
Deputy Secretary Defense Norquists directed the establishment of the Unidentified
Aerial Phenomena Task Force within the Department of the Navy.
The AAP task Force was built on the foundation of

(01:26:15):
the Navy's initial efforts to respond to the reports from
our aviators on unidentified objects observed in our training ranges.
The basic issues then and now are twofold. First, incursions
in our training ranges by unidentified objects represent serious hazards
to safety of flight. In every aspect of naval aviation,

(01:26:35):
safety of our air crews is paramount. Second, intrusions by
unknown aircraft or objects pose potential threats to the security
of our operations. Our aviators train as they would fight,
so any intrusions that may compromise the security of our
operations by revealing our capabilities, our tactics, techniques, or procedures

(01:26:57):
are of great concern to the Navy and the Department
of Defense. From the very beginning, we took these reports
very seriously. We instituted a data driven approach to the investigations,
where we could collect as much data as possible and
use all available resources to analyze and make informed decisions
on the best ways to address our findings. Our main

(01:27:17):
objective was to transition YOUAP efforts from an anecdotal or
narrative based approach to a rigorous science and technology, engineering
focused study.

Speaker 3 (01:27:31):
So, in essence, he's saying there, this is the head
of Naval Intelligence. I think it's Scott Bray, and he's
trying to explain there that now these things are a
danger to our pilots, a danger to our testings. Such
this has been going on for seventy years. This is

(01:27:52):
nothing new. They've been flying around for seventy years, and
you know, for seventy years they had.

Speaker 2 (01:27:58):
Throughout me excuse me, Chris, you've handled criminals a large
part of your career. Yeah, you've had we've we've we've
have children in our families. You're not used to a
certain story getting changed when cott cornered evidence is presented,
certain things going there that you go, hey, I know

(01:28:18):
what I'm gonna try. I'm going to try a new
I'm gonna try truth, not the complete truth. I'm going
to give you a version of the truth. I'm gonna
put a little truth in there, and then I'm gonna
put a bunch of words sell it around it. Now,
taking nothing away from the eminence of of of the speaker,
that was BS. There's a lot of uns. There's a

(01:28:41):
lot of nouns in there, not a lot of verbs.
And then when we get to the verbs, there's very
few nouns that are connect up with it.

Speaker 3 (01:28:50):
And the thing is you and I, Commander. No, that's
a bunch of bs. But some people who take that
as gospel because they believe everything that the government tells them.
And we know.

Speaker 2 (01:29:01):
This another reason why we may be here and another
reason why I want to throw this out to all
of you to chew on. Are we seeing the UAP
activity that we are as a result because of our
breakdown as a group of entities on this planet, lack
of a moral compass, a pullback from religions and religious

(01:29:26):
type creeds around the planet. Is that's what is attracting
or is it being driven by our interdimensional extraterrestrial visitors
that we are approaching the battle now before Dan jumps in,
because I think Dan can point to some of that
on the right of that really pretty picture that we

(01:29:48):
saw that kind of fits into some of the things
that we're up against. So before the Padre jumps in
on that, I put it to both my co hosts.
Are we seeing the activity we're seeing because our behaviors
are driving it and making it more hospitable, or are
we reacting to the situation that's going on or is

(01:30:12):
it a little bit of both?

Speaker 4 (01:30:14):
From my From my standpoint, I see an increasing collapse
of our society and our culture when you have practically
half the population of this country we all live in

(01:30:38):
that can't even describe what a woman is or conversely, okay,
that a biological male can menstruate, and they teach that
and they claim that, and they scream that from the

(01:31:00):
highest building. You know, something has gone rotten in Denmark.
So yeah, I see this as part and parcel of
the overall collapse of our culture as we've always known it.

Speaker 2 (01:31:17):
So my question to you, don are we being driven
to it or is our conduct is what's driving you
at the activity? That's my question.

Speaker 4 (01:31:29):
I think we're being driven to it.

Speaker 3 (01:31:33):
Chris, I agree with Don. I think we're being driven
to it. I see that the government's agenda has changed rapidly,
and you know, stuff that leaks out makes it feel
to me like it's on a timeline that they want
to push it on. And they do have a certain
agenda that they want to make sure that we stay

(01:31:56):
on with the UAP experience. And you know, we've all
talked about the you know where it's whether it's rumor
or gossip whatever. But one of the things that they
come out and said they have a false alien invasion.
I mean several people have talked about that. Now, whether
that's true or not, I don't have any evidence to

(01:32:18):
say the government has done that. However, I will tell
you that I do know there's evidence that the government
has tried to start wars. They've tried to start a
war with Cuba under Project North. They've tried in the
Gulf of Tompey, which they were successful with, and for Vietnam,
they've tried in other effects. So does is this credible

(01:32:41):
that they want to to show an alien invasion. Therefore
money gets pumped into the military industrial complex that we
have to give up certain rights in order for the
government to protect us. And do we now start running
to the hills or you know, beg to certain people
to save us from the aliens that are coming to earth?

(01:33:05):
So I think we're on a time the day of
averaging to make us go to.

Speaker 2 (01:33:12):
That Padrake Dan, as you answer this, I'd also like
to return back to one of the things you said
in the opening of the show. Is this setting up
for the grand moment where the reveal or whatever is
to be revealed. If that happens, and here's the receipt,

(01:33:34):
here's the price that's due. Going back to your earlier part,
pick whatever group, pick whatever thing, that's the price that
has to be paid. Because we are at a point
now and I think all of us would agree what
we've been driven to and what's been unique I think

(01:33:56):
for us as American Americans in the sense of the
United States, as that for a long time we looked
at liberty and the ability to go do what we
wanted to do within the constraints of laws and civilized
behavior was our destiny. And now that's changing. We're trying

(01:34:24):
to be morphed into all these things are a threat,
and the only way that this threat can be answered
is you're going to have to go with us. I
think there's a lot of things that have happened in
the last five years that line up with that immensely.
But Dan, what do you think. Do you see where
I'm tracking with this?

Speaker 5 (01:34:45):
I think so, and I think that again, turning to
my compass, which is scriptured, there's a there's a game
clock for humanity, if you will, and the Bible, if
you read it, states very clearly things that will happen
as human history begins to wind down, and among those
things is widespread, pervasive evil, abandonment of basic values that

(01:35:13):
have sustained civilization for centuries, family, church, community institutions that
were cherished and no longer are. The thing that's different
about what I'm seeing now is that this seems to
be going on globally. Whereas every country can point to
its history and there are ebbs and flows between good

(01:35:36):
and evil over certain countries, what we're seeing now is
the world becoming increasingly hostile to itself. I mean, I
cannot remember a time since the sixties when I grew up,
when talk of World War three has been as pervasive
as it is right now. So what do people look

(01:35:59):
for in these situations? They look for a way out.
They look for somebody who's going to come and make
everything better. The Bible tells us there is going to
arise an individual call the anti Christ mid Deep one
hundred years from now, maybe a year from now, and
some event is going to happen that's going to cause

(01:36:22):
the world as a whole to rally around this individual
and his government. What is that triggering mechanism? Is it
inter dimensional beings that come and land saucer at the
United Nations and say we're here and here's our guy,
and endorse him, and all the world goes yay. Problem

(01:36:45):
solved until we begin to see what the true agenda is.
All I can say, Commander is that we need to
be ready for any contingency, and that means being prepared physically, emotionally, mentally,
and spiritually.

Speaker 2 (01:37:00):
So for all of you, Ginghis Khan, one of our
very dedicated listeners, just wrote something in the chat that
I think is worthy of the discussion. We can be
very talented. Imagine if we did all work together as humans.

(01:37:20):
So could some of the UAP force the evil be
creating problems for us just to keep us humans oblivious
to their agenda. I think that that's a fair proposition
to discuss here. And one other part that I'd like
to add into that. When you take a statement like that,

(01:37:41):
is it all part of the plan, The part that
Don has talked about and written about quite extensively and
quite eloquently, that a special access program, the controls have
been put on that is something like a Satanic force

(01:38:02):
behind that. It's easy for me to think that, yes,
that could be easily in league with that. Well, what
I'm driving at is, do you stoke the fear globally Dan,
as you just said, tear down institutions, tear down foundational
developments that civilations, civilizations have gone for it. It's not

(01:38:28):
just here. If you look at Asia, especially in China,
you see I'm speaking of the communist part of it,
a country that is in decline because they put a
certain policy out that said you could only have one child,
as they were trying to get some kind of handle

(01:38:49):
on their inability to properly feed and take care of
people in that part of the world. And so now
the the disposal of second children, our children that were
not male, because that was the desired outcome. You now
have a country that no longer has the ability to

(01:39:11):
produce generations out. But my point is that was a
very family oriented culture where the generational support. I've had
numerous close friends from that part of the world, where
their grandparents and the aunts and uncles. It mirrored many

(01:39:32):
of the things that I saw from European experience, which
is on spot my background. What you see the same
kind of destructive forces that have gone on in the
Middle East. All these places have this is that the
goal is that to drive this to the point so
that when this comes out, it happens. I think Gingis

(01:39:55):
Khan deserves a quick run. I'll start with you.

Speaker 4 (01:39:57):
Done well, okay. Talking about this, it reminds me of
something that Ingo Swan said to me fifteen twenty years ago. Now,
if you don't know who that was, he was the

(01:40:19):
man one of the most truly gifted psychics known to
the world at that time. He was the man that
designed the protocols that allowed military personnel then in the
remote viewing program that was being run by the Central

(01:40:45):
Intelligence Agency and the Defense Intelligence AGENCYDIA, and we were
talking about well, I was very deeply involved in lunar
research on inexplicable things being seen on the Moon. He

(01:41:06):
had had an astounding incident that happened with him in
remote viewing the Moon, where he stated he encountered intelligence
on the rear of the Moon, the side that we

(01:41:27):
never see from Earth, the far side. And he said
that whatever it was he discovered there was angry and
resentful when they detected his presence, they were not happy

(01:41:47):
at all. He actually feared for a number of months
that he would be tracked down and murdered. But to
make a long story short, he said, they know that
the human race has a telepathic talent, some much more

(01:42:09):
powerful than others. But regardless, we all to an extent
have telepathic powers, and they are fearful of that. They
do not like that, they don't want that. Now, you
can pull that apart in any number of different ways. Okay,

(01:42:33):
maybe it's seen by the adversary as a direct connection
to a supreme power, a supreme being. Or perhaps they
see it as a threat because they also have a
psychic talent and they see that as competition. I don't know,

(01:42:57):
but whatever. The bottom line is, they don't like it
and they see us as an enemy. Now, with that
being said, if there's one group of visitors coming here,
there are multiple groups. This is something I've encountered time

(01:43:19):
and time and time again in my time in the
UFO field. The bottom line is this, they all don't
get along. But there has always been described to me
one group who have a total antipathy toward humanity. For
whatever reason, they don't like us. So take it for

(01:43:43):
what it's worth.

Speaker 3 (01:43:44):
Chris Well, I think Gengis Kana is pretty much spot
on what he's saying. I think if you go back
in time, if you believe the theory that our government
has made treaties with these or agreements not treaties, but
agreements with extraterrestrial demonic entities, whatever, you know, it shows

(01:44:08):
me that the upper echelon of our society doesn't really
give a damn about the lower end of society. And
when he talks about separating us, I think the uthology
feel is a perfect place to put that, because if
you start going down a path of how dangerous they are,

(01:44:31):
how threatening they are, and then you want to come
up with something that will I mean, first divide us,
which is what they've done, and then if they want
to bring us back together under their control, under a
UFO control, UAP control. Whatever you manifest a threat that

(01:44:53):
people can see. And I think that's one of the
things Genghis Khan was trying to say in this thing.
I agree with that. I think we're on a timeline
for that stuff to spiritually happen. And I think the
uthology field, the UFO field, plays a very distinct part
into it because they can create because we don't know

(01:45:15):
a lot about it, and they can create any type
of scenario they want with it.

Speaker 2 (01:45:22):
Agreed, Dan, I'm going to pose a question for you.
I grew up in a symbol way that you did.
It was Roman Catholic with my parents as I was
growing up, but my dad was extremely interested in the
subject of UFO, still is and thankfully still with us.

(01:45:49):
I have never found it incompatible with my Christian faith.
I sum up Christianity as I'm a good small Christian.
I'm never going to be a good capital see Christian,
but as a small seat Christian, it's it's pretty easy.
Once you get past understanding what's required. It sums up

(01:46:12):
you have to love everyone. You just don't have to
like everyone within the human circle. That's that's how I
put it together. But have you had any conflict or
have you has it taken you time to get to
the point where your well part of your life's work

(01:46:35):
now as a as a pastor, is it in conflict
with these subjects. It doesn't appear to be. For me,
it's not, uh, And I know from Don and Chris.
You know, we've had these talks varying degrees over the years,
so I know it's not with them either. I don't
see it as a conflict.

Speaker 5 (01:46:55):
No, for me personally, it does not. And I think
that the that some people say for not disclosing about
it destroying religion have a gross misunderstanding of what faith is.
You know, this faith that I have is every bit
as real and personal to me as a relationship that

(01:47:16):
I have with any human And when you enter into
that closer relationship with God through Jesus Christ, it is
something that permeates your whole existence and nothing can take
take that from you. You look at all the times
in history the Christians have been persecuted, going willingly to
their death rather than renounce the faith. It's because they

(01:47:38):
know who they've believed in and are persuaded that he's
able to keep everything you've committed in him until that
day of judgment. And so for me, I don't see
any conflict at all when you talk about and in fact,
when people talk about beings from other dimensions and demonic possibilities,
these things are all in the Bible. We already know

(01:47:59):
all this stuff. It's not going to If anything, it
may bolster some people's faith. They say, well, what if
dn they actually do have someone from another planet come?
Bible doesn't address that. So you know, there's really nothing
I could say about that other than back in the
was it the eighties early eighties.

Speaker 4 (01:48:19):
In my father's house there are many mansions.

Speaker 5 (01:48:23):
There was a Christian folks singer rock guy named Larry Norman,
and he had a song called Ufo that was a
big hit on the Roos, and in that he said,
if there's life another planets, I'm sure that God must know,
and he's been there once already and has died to
save their soul. So he's got them taken care of
on their planet, and he's given us our plan.

Speaker 2 (01:48:51):
I want to return to your written works. You can
tie it in with some stuff that's going to come
up in the future shows.

Speaker 4 (01:49:02):
M HM.

Speaker 2 (01:49:04):
Often with UAP activity. We have cryptids. Now your particular
manifestation in your books, it goes pretty it goes pretty
demonic and pretty dark pretty quick. There isn't there isn't
a lot of uh literary foreplay. Let's just say you

(01:49:24):
get down on the main act pretty quick now here.
I am talking for play with a pastor with Chris
and Don looking on. Truly we have we have moved
to different levels in this show, no doubt to all,
to all of you three, do you see that as

(01:49:46):
part of the interdimensionality or that aspect of it. Why
this happens or or do you think that there's a
particular reason that these things manifest going on? Is it
something that's being triggered on purpose as a fear factor,
as a destabilizing factor to go to that.

Speaker 3 (01:50:09):
Done?

Speaker 2 (01:50:09):
What do you think?

Speaker 4 (01:50:11):
Well, Okay, cryptids are something that have always been with us,
going back into history. For example, the Luckness creature, whatever
that is, it's been there for well over one thousand
years in this country. Things like dogmen, things like the

(01:50:32):
skin Walker, things like Bigfoot. Okay, the sasquadch They've been
around forever. The natives Native Americans have talked about them
since they've had encounters with the europiece of game over here.
So I don't see that as any great thing. But

(01:50:55):
there have also been other things. And I'm talking primarily,
and I go back and I knew him. I go
back to the mid seventies. I knew author researcher writer
John Keel, and Keel did an mind blowing book called

(01:51:19):
The Mothman Prophecies. It came out around not seventy five,
seventy six. I knew about the book. I got a
copy of the book immediately. When I talked to Kiel
about it, he encountered some very strange things that seemed
to be associated with the phenomenon. So I think, in part, Commander, yes,

(01:51:43):
there is a definite linkage with some of these things
to the UFO UAP phenomenon.

Speaker 2 (01:51:52):
Dan, We're down to our last two three minutes, so
I thank you the audience, the greatest on the planet
once again for tuning in. I think Chris and Don
joining us, I'm going to give you the final minute
or so here as we drive out. I do think
it's an overlap the inspiration to your book.

Speaker 5 (01:52:12):
I think there is. The creatures in my book were
actually drawn from Lakota mythology. Being here in the Dakota
is somewhat familiar with some of the creatures that they
have in their myths. But as far as you know
Bigfoot really quick. I went to Alaska a number of
years ago, and I was really interested in the subject.

(01:52:33):
How could something so big hide? I had a cameraman
with me We're doing a TV show, and he had
me go five feet into the Alaskan brush. I'm a
reasonably sized guy, and I did a sound bite five
feet away. You would not have known I was there.
I was completely concealed by the brush. And I have
no doubt in my mind that in this great, wonderful

(01:52:55):
planet of ours, there are still many wildlife mysteries ready
to be discovered. You know how many new species were
discovered last year? Twenty five thousand new species that we
never found before. That's pretty awesome when you stop thinking
about it.

Speaker 9 (01:53:11):
It's a great, big, wonderful as long as we don't
have the arrogance that we think that somehow it makes
us greater because we may be discoveries instead of realizing
our insignificance and our connection to the rest of it.

Speaker 2 (01:53:26):
Absolutely gentlemen, thank you for a great show. Dan Carlson
Dan Carlson Wrights dot com. Please take a look at
his website. Please take a look at some of the
great stuff that he's written. He and his wife did
a very interesting book on the King James Bible, which
is one of my favorites. I've shared it with a
number of people and it's been a really special night.

(01:53:50):
Don Chris, as always, thank you, sirs, and to the
greatest audience on the planet. We will look forward to
seeing you again next week real soon. Keep an eye
out for Andy's Andy's show. Make sure that you take
a look at these guys Wednesday, Andy and Darcy excuse
me until next week.

Speaker 3 (01:54:11):
U A. P.

Speaker 2 (01:54:11):
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