What is Going on in South America? UFO Attacks? In Depth Discussion | Red Pill Junkie | UFO HUB #95 - UFO HUB

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Hey, everyone, Well, welcometo dufour live stream. Today's guest is
going to be Red Pill Junkie,and I'm very excited to talk to him
today. I reached out to himearlier this week, No last week,
nope, this week and basically justask him if you could talk to me
about what's been going on, becausehe's a researcher himself about UFOs and everything

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else, and I wanted to kindof get his take on what's going on
in Peru and possibly Brazil. Wehaven't exactly discussed which or which route will
go go down on what he cantell me basically what he can tell me
most about, but we'll take itfrom you know, from wherever wherever he

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started out today. The other partis he will be a voice only today,
no video, but the information isinformation anyway. So I'm just excited
that this basically worked out as always. In the description below, I have
a link to the Daily Grade Illwhere RPJ is, I want to say,
a contributor or or basically a blogger. He'll I'll let him explain this

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more later on, and then ofcourse he has his personal website. I
believe in the link to that,and so I'll again, I'll let him
explain to us what different websites hehas, and as always I always would
like to encourage everyone to just checkit out and support our guests in that
way. So all right, Ithink I have everything, and let me

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let me bring him in and we'llwe'll get started. Let me I mute
him here he RPJ. Can youhear me? Yes? I can.
That's clear. Awesome. Well,thank thank you for for being able to
make this today. I really appreciateit. I know it was totally in

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short notice, but I don't know, I can't. I can't thank you
enough. So be basically just Ishowed some videos. I tried. I
hadn't at a lady. She wasvery helpful to help translate about what was
going on in these different videos,whatever they were reporting on. But that

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was the limit and the extent towhat I understood was happening. So I
was wondering if you could give usmore information or whatever you hear from from
your end, because if I'm notmistaken, you are live from Mexico right
now, correct, yes, correct, okay, And so I'm just wondering
what the rumors are rumorings around thereright now around Mexico. Yeah, just

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what you are hearing. I knowwhat we see and hear from from what's
happening there from our end, ButI don't know if it's the same or
different on yours. Not sure howto tell you, Like right now,
I think that most of Mexican mythologyis more fixated or was more fixated with

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what was happening in the United Stateswith regards to the testimony of these witnesses
who spoke before Congress a few weeksago, you know, seeing you know,
David Crush, Ryan Graves, DavidFreivor, and I think that people

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were paying attention to that, evenpeople who were not really that interested in
UFOs prior to all these developments,you know how it is. You know,
we've been hearing this stick since twentyseventeen, you know, the same
Lane joke, like, oh wow, you know, the US government just

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confirmed UFOs are real, but nobodycares. It's like, well, nobody
cares because there's no evidence, youknow, the testimony of people who spoke
to a person who spoke to anotherperson whom I have seen something interesting,
and that's just about it. AndI think that was the thing that was

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gotten people at expert attention here inMexico for obvious reasons. By mine,
the United States is our closest neighbor, is our biggest business partner. There
are obviously there are other things intoconsideration with our link to the United States,
like illegal drug trafficking, illegal immigrationand all that, And in a

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way, I feel that maybe thatkind of stuff, you know, the
particulars of Latin America, was thething that really cut my eye when the
news about the strange happenings in Peruand Brazil. Although to be honest,
I'm not really that cognizant of whatis happening in Brazil. I guess I

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got more attention to what's happening inPeru. But the thing that these things
that are now starting to brew intothe U fulfilled it kind of felt like
a breath of fresh air, youknow what I mean, because up until
now we were just worrying about thisdisclosure. You know, the people who

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are going to tell us UFOs arereal allience are here and are going to
serve all of this in a silverplatter without anyone having to do anything and
case closed. Now here comes theactual news that seems to be UFOL related
and regardless of what's going on inPeru, and it seems it's pretty terrible,

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but it kind of felt good,you know, in a way,
to now once a game be focusingon UFOs instead of just people, you
know what I mean? Right?And so what was if there was so
where they're just mainly reporting and interviewingpeople, or were there was actually footage

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of whatever they think was attacking themas they as I believed that the description
was, was there more there was? It just basically things that would happen
overnight, and then they would justinterview them and talk to the witnesses or
those people that have seen what they'veseen the night before, like what I've

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seen on my teeth, or afew videos of extremely poor quality that wouldn't
convince anyone, to be honest.I think the most interesting thing about those
videos is the reaction from the people, like the locals of these tribes in

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the in the Amazon, in thein the region I think is the region
of Loreto im Perved and these areall members of the Iquitus native tribe,
and obviously all these people seem tobe very agitated and very disturbed by the
events that have been unfolding surrounding theircommunity for a while, and what you

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see in these videos is people screaming, shouting, taking pot shots with rifles
to something they see. One ofthe videos that I that I saw supposedly
depicts something that these people are seeing, like nested on top of some tree,

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and it kind of felt almost Idon't know, if you remember Adnan
the movie Signs Yeah, Yeah,it kind of felt like this was science
in real life, Like you rememberthat part of the movie in which the

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character the brother of Mel Gibson isfreaking out because he's seeing all this.
One of the videos of these childrenon some kind of like birthday party,
and all of a sudden, theyactually show a few seconds of a green
creature and the guy like gold like, oh my god. I feel that

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it was kind of like that,but not that good, because obviously one
thing is Hollywood and this other thingis real life. But in that video
it seemed to show something like Idon't know, some people said it was
like it looked like a like agiant praying mantis, like a leaning into
a branch or something. Although,to be perfectly honest, I saw I

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saw those still images a few timesand I could see myself pretty good person
when it comes to paradolia, LikeI have no problem finding all sorts of
shapes and sizes in things like cloudsor trees enimed objects, right, And
with regards to this video, Iwas totally uncertain of what those people in

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the video were reacting to like it. To me, it didn't look like
anything. It looked like the branchesof a tree illuminated by you know,
a torchlight or or the light comingout of a cell phone. Right.
And also you know something that Ipersonally didn't didn't like because it was it

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had a lot of these like stagedHe had a stage feel to this,
And I found this online. Idon't know if we didn't really discuss whether
or not you want me to showsome things while while we're speaking. But
there's that video where they supposedly havefound a body, and there's a clear
video of this body, half ofthe face gone, and they're calling it

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something about being like surgically clean,removed by these aliens, and it just
looks so fake to me to wherelike, okay, well, I was
happy, like okay, great,there's something going on. You know,
Initially, when I first saw ohyour force in Peru. Not realizing Oh
wait a minute, they're talking aboutbeing attacked. I was like, all
right, what's going on? Becauseat the same time, and I know

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you and I have many years agowe talked about this. I'm not sure
if you remember, but you know, everyone that's into your folks and one
way or another has heard of,you know, Project Bluebeam, and I
can't help but think that maybe whetheror not that's conspiracy, or whether or
not that might actually eventually happen.You know that there is a possibility that

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if something is happening, that itcould be staged. Right, Yeah,
I know exactly what Vidia you're referringto. Because do you mind, because
I know we didn't discussed this outof time, do you mind if I
show it in the browser while everyoneis listening to us? Sue? Not
sure, not at all. Okay, I'm not sure. If I'm going

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I'll be looking at it from Skype. All right, Oh no, you
go ahead and see what you weresaying. I was just wanting to because
I didn't want to basically start playingsomething because we didn't. Usually I like
to discuss things with my guests sothat they know what's going on as well,

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or if they don't agree with thesaying no, do not show this.
But we haven't had a chance,so that's why I'm checking with you
right now. Yeah, yeah,for first things first, and i'll do
everyone watching this, if you're goingto present that video, you probably should
give some kind of like warning that, regardless of its veracity, it is

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quite disturbing right to see. Well, let me let me do that right
now. So for those of youwatching right now, I'm about to shift
over to that video. It's loopingand I found it on X So while
RPG is talking about this, I'mjust going to have this loop a few
times and then we'll switch back towhat you're seeing right now. All right,

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RPJ, go ahead, say saywhat you were going to say right
Like I said, I was tryingto find that video because the first thing
that I noticed, I mean,the first thing I encountered when I first
heard of this story was a TVnews segment from some no local local news

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and course in Peru. We we'retalking to a reporter on site. You're
talking about what these people in thetribe were describing and complaining about, complaining
to the authorities because they were seekingthe aid of the army, you know,
because obviously, if this is real, regardless of its origin, it

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is actively attacking people, or atleast it seems to be attacking people regardless
of these videos that you're about toshow. There was also the news of
I think it was a fifteen yearold girl who apparently was also attacked in
some manner. I mean, theywere covering her face on that video,

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but it seemed that the girl wasI don't know if attacked or cut with
some kind of like blade by someoneor something. That was described to be
a very tall individual. I guessover two meters tall. That would be
like, I don't know, almostseven foot tall, right, if we're

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in the Imperial system. And thenthe local reporter was talking about that video,
which they say that obviously for reasonsthat they are on TB, they
couldn't show it, and I waslike, okay, but I want to
see it, and eventually someone postedit on x formally Twitter, and at

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first I was like WHOA. Butthen I tried to like analyze what I
was seeing and something like didn't feelright to me. Like you said,
at first, you see two orthree individuals there are standing over some kind
of person or or a body thatis laying on you know, the riverbed,

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and then they are very they doa very poor job or training to
lift the body. Well, sorryabout that, right, And then you
get to see because the head iscovered with something. I don't know if
it's a tarp or something, buteventually did you get to see the head
and then you see that, ohmy god, you know is just like

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I don't know, sleepy Hollow inTim Burton's movie. You know that,
right, It's only like basically askull peeled of old flesh and all the
eyes and hence the name they're usingin the tribe they call it. They
call these attackers lost pellacatas, whichwould be translated to the face pillars,

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which is, you know, quitewant to be with the image there.
But I don't know. With regardsto that particular video, A part of
me thought, well, maybe it'san actor or someone that is wearing a
really really good prospect. You know, I couldn't be certain, you know,
I think every generation has I thinkevery generation has a I guess,

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a challenge or difficulty to overcome.That's into researching ufols in general, because
in the fifties and sixties and seventies. As technology has been changes, there
are entire dummies that they sometimes usefor like to practice on reviving from let's
say, if somebody drowned and whereto push in on the chest and all

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that, and they look like actualbodies laying there, you know, and
it's it's all made out of youknow, silicone, whatever synthetic material,
you know, and so it's that'sgoing back again. It's it's kind of
like, how how do you know? You know, It's like I can
watch this and unless you had yourown experience to draw some conclusions from that
and retell the story, it's sodifficult. You know. It's easy to

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just film something fool you and makeyou think that's real. Yeah, it's
exactly like. Another reason what Ifelt skeptical about this video is that if
this is a body that was foundnear the river, it looked quite devoid

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of rigor mortis, you know whatI mean. It didn't look bloated.
The people I get, I don'tknow if they were police officers or some
kind of like emergency service personnel.They were lifting this body and moving the
arms with quite easily. And I'mnot just not sure if that is what
you will find on Human Caricus,although maybe you could, you know,

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make the assumption that the particulars inwhich this person was allegedly killed, maybe
it affected the way the body decomposes. But obviously this this is speculation.
I mean, I'm not forensic.Like I said, I don't even know
if this video is real of itis cgi of using really convincing prosthetics,

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and once again the quality of thevideo which is was taken so probably with
a cell phone. And and Ithink that one of the versions of the
video can find on x is someonerecording computer screen playing the video, which
is a price. Yeah, yeah, that does make it worse. Yeah,
I don't know, it's it's itsucks that sometimes things can just be

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you know, really really just actualcapturing of a happening without any kind of
having to have any kind of fearor a suspicion that well, it could
be altered, I could be misled, I could be whatever. You know,
It's just so hard to tell nowadays. But I will also in case,

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just so there's whoever's there's some peoplethat are on on telegram and the
others I have also chatting. Isit okay that if I make an announcement
to them that you're okay with questionsalso, or maybe do it next time,
because sometimes you know, if peoplehave some questions, if you might
have an answer, at least itwill be a little bit more I guess,

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helping them get the end so they'relooking for because for over here everything
is I guess Americanized, so usuallythe perspective of somebody outside the United States
is not heard very often. Right, Oh no, obviously, I mean
we're talking about your false Nobody shouldpresume that I have answers anything, right,

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all right, So all of youwatching, for those of you who
have been following this channel for awhile, I'm currently also streaming on Twitch,
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the guests, in this case RPJdirectly and ask you a question. Otherwise,
if you are in the chat,just make sure to please leave three
asterixes before your question so that wayI know it's meant for RPJ, and
then I'll ask him as we're havingthis conversation, all right, and so

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I also while you we're talking RPJ, I showed the video of something meant
is like to be in the treeswhere they were following, and then they
were basically also showing something more morelike illuminous being that's been kind of walking
around. And one video is illuminatedwhere you see it just kind of glowing.

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The other one is through goggles likea night vision goggles, and it's
one of those really odd and Ithink it's funny because we go for so
long that it's just constantly grainy videoall the time, to where now of
the sudden there's these like clear crystalthings when it's at least what I just

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showed today here, you know,to where you actually can make out a
being moving and all this set ofstuff, right, which, of course,
having done video and obviously anyone thatloves to watch movies could kind of
tell, okay, this could beCGI or it could just be an alien
really moving in this weird way.But it's just it's it's really funny to

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me that now it's okay and wecan actually have clear videos on some things.
But then yet we go back tofour ADP on the other side,
right. I mean, I don'tknow. Sometimes I wonder if this is
part of the phenomenon, if theidea that we cannot really pin it down,

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that we don't get the crystal cleardefinitive proof in some video, and
like you said, by the wayin twenty twenty three, crystal clear video
is not prove of anything with allCGI, I know, on all these
new technologies that you know, includingartificial intelligence, can that can practically switch

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the face of some kind of celebrityand put it on on the on the
body of anyone, it would beharder and harder to tell the difference between
what's real and what's unreal. Butalso with this phenomenon, I feel that
there is the part of its naturethat is seeking to like almost like self,

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negate it. You know, Idon't know why. I think it's
I think it's part of its tricksterish nature. I think. I mean,
there was this comedian in the UnitedStates. He had a famous bit.
He was like mocking cryptozoology and bigfootresearch, like saying, oh my

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god, what if the reason whyall these guys only get blurry photographs of
big thought is because big thoughts isactually a blury monster and supposed it's supposed
to be the meaning to to tothese people who are searching for Bigfoot.
But I think that's that maybe somethingto that that maybe like, yeah,

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maybe Bigfoot. It's kind of likea blurry is something that enters into our
reality and it needs like a pairof human eyes in order to get some
kind of like comcreteness, you knowwhat I mean. I mean that is
the way that my mind thinks nowadays, because I no longer believe in UFOs

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metal spacecraft coming from other planets,as goes being the spirits of that people,
and as big Foot beings just someundiscovered ape that happens to roam the
Pacific Northwest. Totally understood. Ifeel there's something that is toying with us,

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and it's like almost like a carrotdangling over our face, like look
over here here, walk walk herehere. Don't pay attention to that to
walk here, you know, payattention to what I'm showing you, and
it will never I sometimes I fearthat it will never be these like the
proof that everybody's expecting. Oh mygoodness, I'm so sorry. I'm trying

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to find some supporting footage of whatyou're talking about too, And even though
I a mute it, sometimes itadmutes itself on ex So I apologize for
these random outbursts. Don't worry aboutit. Yeah, So that's those are
my thoughts that maybe are too cynicalor or skeptics will say that I'm just

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rationalizing the lack of air events thatthat we are suffering from, not only
in UFO studies, but also otherstudies that are you know, like trying
to uh find the edges of Idon't know, reality of known science.

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We have this problem and maybe weneed something like a new part and change
in order to get you know,the kind of evidence that some people are
yearning for. Right Well, youknow, I agree with you to the
extent that in my personal experience aswell, that it is it is a

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capturing video. It's it's difficult becauseit's part of you know, part of
the the phenomena itself. What I'mtrying to get at mainly here is that
So I often like that maybe it'sme and I just really suck at trying
to explain this, and maybe itdoesn't come across to some people that I

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do want their opinion, you know, to give give me what they thought,
you know, think about. Butso like whenever I say, well,
through my experiences and I tried gettingvideo and I was not able to
do it, you know where othersget this footage and everyone that hears me
say this, they think that I'mtalking somehow in this jealous way about what

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they achieve something that I couldn't.That's not why I'm trying to get it
at all. I was more puzzledabout. I had every intention and every
willingness to capture whatever I was interactingwith, and I could see and understand
what these hindrances were in my way, Where then other people have these videos
and they just capture it. Andso I'm more puzzled from from knowledge point

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of view of what is that Iwas interacting with versus what they're interacted with
that allowed them to shoot this footagequote unquote, if it is real?
You see what do you understand whatI'm trying to say? And so that's
what that's why I'm always puzzled by, like, Okay, what what what
did they have? What is itthat day? Then interacted with the allowed

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this capturing And then okay, ifthat's one thing. Then what was it
that I interacted with? So that'swhat puzzles my mind. But once one
one actually a couple of guests,one time on the air and then off
the air. You know, theywere like, you know, you shouldn't
judge it. I'm like, I'mnot judging it. I'm I don't care.
I'm happy for them that they havefootage. All I'm trying to figure
out is what about the phenomena allowedthem to capture this but didn't allow it

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to me. That's what That's whatI'm trying to get at. Yeah,
are they worthy more? Are theymore worthy than you? What is it?
Yeah? Is that part of it? Right? Is that part of
that phenomena too? You know youare not of noble heart? There right,
no picture for you. I don'tknow. I don't know if I

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don't know if it works that way, like for example, I don't know
if you are aware of these individualsin the United States Chris Chris Bledsoe.
He recently published a book titled Youof God, and his case is really
interesting because it's been noticed by allthese people within the intelligence community, you

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know, all the big names lueAlesando, how put Off, Kid Green,
Diana Pasulka, all those people haveinteracted with leedso have gone to his
home in Florida, and they vouchfor this guy, like saying, yeah,
I mean, real stuff happens aroundhim. I mean even a friend

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of mine, Mike Cleland, theguy who wrote all the owl stuff.
Yeah. By the way, Ijust I don't know how I did not
notice about you. Yeah, youand Mike Cleland that you guys written the
our book together. And I waslike, what, so, I'm sorry.
I didn't mean to interrupt. Itwas just such a surprised me today.
Maybe a second during research. Well, just cab it. I didn't

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write the book with Mike. Ijust wrote I think a foreword for his
the tenth anniversary of his blog Hidand Experience that he published, and I
even recorded that forward for the auLittle Book version of it. But no,
no, that's that's all Mike's credits, all the things like Amazon and

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all these different places I look athas your name as co authors. I
was like, oh, all right, thanks for clarifying, thanks for team
like he needed to look into that, because yeah, no, no,
that's no, no, I don'ttake credit for that at all. But
getting back to bled So, likeeverybody, there's all these people, some
of them incredible to me, whosay that real stuff happens around bled Sow.

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But then this guy claims to havingdozens and dozens of photographs and and
ufl videos and you look at someof those videos that he has posted online
and and not to be disrespectful,but they're not convincing to me. They're
like this, I mean that lightcould be anything. Right, some of

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them, it's like, Okay,that's kind of interesting, but there's nothing
that would convence any arch skeptic MikWest kind of person will say, oh
my god, this is real.UFOs are real and I was wrong all
my life. Right, Well,you know it's I think you know this

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is this is one part that willbe kind of I don't know because I'm
still trying to understand it to toa loge extent, There's there is a
because of you know, my ownexperiences, there is a physical effect of
the proximity of the phenomena by you, whether it's far away, and then

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the closer it gets. And soI always talk about this and and explain
to people, well, like Iknow what I had to do to overcome
a lot to be able to understandit to the point that I did to
get me outside of the spear right, so that I'm not looking at a
constant from a fearful point of view, but I can actually look at it
and make aim just basically see itfor what it is, to be more

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basically for my own sake, bemore educated about it. I'm not quite
sure how this then, if thisphenomenon requires that kind of work, how
general contact for everyone on the planetwould would happen without them also needing to
go through these very mind altering perceptionsabout our reality. That's an interesting take

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on it, because there are alot of people, and I kind of
agree with them, that suppose orsuggest that there is a reflective quality to
the UFO phenomenon. I know,it sounds kind of cliche and even like
a fairy tale like oh, ifyou bring if you bring fear, the

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phenomenon will be fearful. Or ifyou're being you bring hate, then the
phenomenon will be violent, you know, And that's one of the explanations some
people give to why you fall seemto be more hostile in regions like well,
the regions we were talking about atthe beginning of this recording. You

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know, Peru, the Amazons,Brazil, all the stuff we've read about
or heard about that happened in thenineteen seventies in Coladis. You know,
with the troop of troops that wereattacking individuals that you will say, well,
those are just innocent civilians minded theirbusiness, and all of a sudden

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you have this very negative reaction fromthe phenomenon, whereas in other places you
get either a neutral reaction or evena positive reaction. That some people think
of their uful encounter as the bestthing that happened in their lives. And
I can totally understand why they willsay that, you know, I mean,

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everybody who saw the movie Close Encountersof the Third Kind. I don't
think there's a single person who wouldn'tsay, yeah, I want to I
want to see that one day.Yeah. But again, we just don't
know why. I mean, thereseemed to be there seems to be some

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kind of like method to the madness, if as it were some rules we
haven't figured out of why the phenomenonbehaves the way it does. You know,
why seems to be attracted to notonly to some geographic areas, but
also to some people, like thereare researchers like Gary Noland who tried to

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come up with an explanation based oncerebral of physio oology, and they started
to talk about the things that theuh they put a man Calda put I
don't remember the name, but youknow what I mean, Apparently on some
kind of like region in the brainof people who have been abducted or who

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have had regular uful events or whoor who are also very sensitives psychically,
and there seemed to have a moredeveloped region in the brain that other people,
you know I mean. And obviouslythere are also other people who have

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tried to find explanations with regards togenetics and saying well, maybe people who
are the sentence of Celtic immigrants havea higher chance of being abducted things like
that. But obviously that that reallygets complicated and paints you into a corner

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that are I think anyone would liketo be in this day and age that
like trying to talk about genetics andUFOs and psychic abilities like who wants to
go there Avenue? Right? Well, you know what what I keep looking
at this so of course with alot of people having cell phones, which

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means you got a camera. Youknow, it's a lot different than what
it used to be just even twentyyears ago, right, And so I
can understand that a lot more footageis more likely and coverage is more likely
to happen as something occurs. ButI can't help but kind of see this
and the way it was presented whenthe phenomena of chupacabra first came out,

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you know, the way, theway it's going, and the way it's
being you know, covered, andthe interviews and all them. It's almost
identical to me, you know,because I had a very good friend of
mine, Joe Palermo. He passedaway now, but he went down with
the crew down there to then youknow, take video and talk to people
like what did they you know,what they find, what did they seem?

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And then doctors, you know,analyzing these different chickens and showing how
organs were missing, you know,but only through like three different points.
There were no bigger than like apenhole, you know, like a thickness
of a pen And so then therewas a speculation that it can specifically remove
an organ or suck it out orwhatever. But the whole that kind of

(36:30):
came and went, and now there'sa lore of Chupacabra. I personally have
not seen it, but that doesn'tmean that they have many reports or more
videos on it. And so nowthis coming around, it's kind of happening
almost in the same way. ButI'm also wondering why that's specific region,
right, So if it's staged,then it makes sense that it would just

(36:53):
be Okay, it's these villagers thatare in Amazon, and you can't you
know, really get to them,so we can control the videos going out,
right, and then but then alsothe timing of it. I can't
help but look at Okay, well, whatever your view is on that,
what happened in Congress, you know, it's like, why now that it

(37:13):
has to be a attack in avery scary and negative way almost simultaneously,
And so there's all these factors thatthat are just kind of crossing in my
mind. That just makes it evenmore so that Okay, I'm just going
to sit back, I'll talk aboutit, You will talk about it.
You know, we'll mention it ofcourse, because you know, I always
say I'm not the gatekeeper of information, but you know, I can't help,

(37:37):
but have all these things that entermy mind as I look at this,
Yeah, right, like I lookat all this, and I'm trying
to remain I don't know, skepticallyopen minded, which sounds like an oxymoron.
I hope it's not. But becauselike you said, you know,

(38:00):
we've been subjected to so many hoaxesand this information. But at the same
time, some people are trying tofind quote unquote logical explanations where they can't
find any, and sometimes the airexplanations are more seemed more implausible than the

(38:21):
explanations as well. Yeah, maybethese are aliens are coming here and they're
attacking people for whatever reason, LikeI heard reporters saying that they were attributing
the attacks to illegal miners. Thatwe know that this tribe is living in
a region of the Amazon that ismired with a lot of conflict over its

(38:46):
natural resources. So you know thatthere are either the gangs of people who
want to take advantage of that ofthat area but to cut illegally trees to
sell the wood, or there arealso all these cattle ranchers who want to

(39:08):
just like keep and crouching and keepinvading territory that used to be pristine rainforests,
you know, hundreds of hundreds ofyears ago. So people were saying,
well, maybe these attacks are minersare attacking in order to scare the

(39:28):
villagers, almost like some the plotof some Scooby Doo episode. And then
people like me and say, well, what about all those accounts that these
peas, these face pillars seem tobe able to lemitate that to float and
to fly away. When when whenthe villagers defend themselves and they say,

(39:50):
well, maybe these miners are usingsome kind of like jet pack or something,
and it's like, Okay, nowyour quote unquote logical explanation seems far
and far and more far fetched.I mean, those explanations are well and
good for a Scooby Doo episode,but I mean, to be honest,
why want illegal miners bother to sucha extent, to such a lover of

(40:15):
plot. Why don't just go?Jet packs are expensive? Yeah? Exactly.
I mean. I live in Mexicoat non. I live in a
in a country that is also afflictedwith a lot of violence from gangs.
Some of them also engage in illegallogging activities, and these gangs, they

(40:36):
don't resort to costumes or then resortsto kind of like ways to disguise themselves
or their intentions. They just goand kill people, you know, plain
and simple. So I mean,I'm sorry to be blunted, but I
think that if these were illegal miners, they wouldn't be using these almost like

(41:02):
cointal pro psyop tactics like the onesthat we know the CIA actually used in
some of their operations, like inthe nineteen fifties when they were battling guerrilla
groups in the Philippines and they werekilling some of the guerrilla warriors and leaving

(41:24):
their bodies in the jungle, butthey were making those puncture wounds in the
neck like almost like they were suckeddry all their blood through that through those
puncture woods. Because they were exploitingthe local legends about vampires. You know

(41:45):
that they knew that the guerrilla warsthat were very uh what is this superstitious,
So they were using their own superstitionas a weapon against them. And
I can't see the CIA using suchtactics for some you know, neferious,
uh, the poor purpose of tryingto topple a government or whatever. But

(42:09):
just regular illegal luggers, says Idon't buy it. Plus, I'm really
sorry you are mistaken. D CIAis a very stand up organization. They
would never ever do anything like that. So I'm sorry that I usually agree
with you, but you are goingtoo far right now. I hope you

(42:31):
don't. I hope you don't.I'm joking sounds whereas I will have to
keep an eye open to see ifsomeone tries to back me and take me
from one time. Oh goodness,well, RPG, I have a question
from the a one of the audienceruled the losing dice, asking why do

(42:52):
you think aliens are so interested inDNA collection? Well? Are they?
That's I mean, that's a narrativethat uh, to be honest, I'm
not really sure if it's backed byreliable evidence, like because it mainly came

(43:13):
through witnesses, right, and that'swhat they all. That's that's the only
thing that I know. Usually it'salways a witness story. That then,
well, we we have these accountsthat were usually started to appear in the
UFOL literature that were extracted from peoplewho were subjected to hypnosis regression, and

(43:37):
that, you know, the firstred flag that should people watching this should
be concerned, because that's when peoplelike Bob Hopkins, and and and and
all the others started to receive allthese u accounts that the aliens were extracting

(44:04):
not only ex from from women,but also sperm examples from from males,
and they were keeping all these childrenin bad tubes on whatever I mean,
that is the modern mythology, althoughit has to be said that that mythology
kind of has existed with us fora long long time. And now I

(44:28):
have to reference my good friend andcolleague Joshua Cutchin, who has written extensively
about all these skeptic Celtic legends aboutthe fail folk, and the fail folk
indeed not onlike the aliens of moderntimes are kind of like obsessed with abducting

(44:50):
people and still in children. Youknow, in the case of the fairies,
the children will often be stolen permanently, and that sometimes they will even
replace the child with one of theirown. And this is what is called
the change a link, you know, which is supposed to be like an

(45:12):
old fairy that is left instead ofa human babe in some criff. And
all these legends about how you hadyou could get rid of the of the
change link in order to retrieve yourchild. Some of them are quite horrible,
by the way, because it involveda torturing children. And George writes

(45:34):
about how all these traditions might havebeen some kind of like shield to cloak
what was happening in those countries backin those days, which was basically in
fanticide, you know that country,the culture that we're getting rid of of
of on desired children and justifying thosehorrible actions through their lord that Oh,

(45:59):
well, you know, my child, he's not autistic. What happens is
that he's changeling, and therefore Ineed to like perform this ritual which involves
bidding him in order to get mychild back, you know, before he
started to act funny. You canyou can read all about that in one

(46:20):
of Josh's books, which is excellent. It called I think the name is
Filps in the Night? Is thename of that of that book? And
to the person making that question,I think that it's something that that that
should has to be put in perspective. How okay, we assume this interest

(46:45):
in in DNA in genetics, uh, And there could be many reasons for
that, like maybe I don't know. Perhaps one of the reasons is because
the aliens need Earth based DNA inorder to create bodies that they can use

(47:05):
so they can you know, switchbodies when and whenever they come into a
planet, right, I mean,why do you pack your body when you
just can can like, you know, travel light and you just upload your
conscious consciousness in a computer and onceyou arrive to the planet, you like
create somebody in a bat and youthen upload your consciousness into that body,

(47:29):
and that way you can you know, interact within that that planet's atmosphere.
That your body is designed to withstandthe gravity very nicely. And therefore that's
why they keep needing DNA because theyneed replacement parts whatever. But at the

(47:49):
same time, that sounds so implausiblebecause why would they need to keep stealing
all these eggs and and and DNAsamples when they could just I don't know,
a scrape a little bit of schemeout of their abductees instead of submitting
them to such horrible medical procedures.Like I mean, I will envision a

(48:15):
truly advanced civilization to just get likea tonnail, right with that small DNA
matrial, you know, clone anentire adult body, right RPG just real
quick value on that subject. Thereis a question from Ruben asking what are
your thoughts on the hybrid program?And so I know, well, we

(48:38):
know what the hybrid program is aboutfrom witnesses, but then as a researcher,
what are your thoughts? And maybethat's what even Ruben would want to
know. I think that's how healso might his question is actually might be
in that in that regard, LikeI said, I'm skeptical of these narratives,

(49:00):
like all these abduction researchers, Ifear that when they were subjecting the
people they were studying, all theseabductees to all these hypnosis regressions, they
were I don't I'm not saying thatthey were putting images in their minds or

(49:22):
something, but I fear that theywere probably interpreting all these symbolic imagery from
from from these events into a verytwo literal interpretation. I will also point

(49:43):
out that I don't know if you'veever read at ANU DMT the Spirit Molecule.
I think there's a documentary, butI don't know if if they if
they if it's the documentary and bookrelated, Yes, there are thoughts I
know of DMT. Right, Sothis book for people who are not familiar

(50:06):
with It was written by doctor RickStrassmann, who was the first medical doctor
who conducted sanctioned, government sanctioned studieson psychedelics, namely DMT, the methyl
trip to mean, which is themost powerful psychedelic compound known to us,
and interestingly enough, it is alsoa compound that is secreted by your brain,

(50:32):
so that that is part of thehuman condition to have the powerful psychedelic
and it might be the reason behindexperiences like near dead experiences, visionary experiences,
prophetic visions, or even abduction experiences. And the reason why we might

(50:55):
suspect that is because many of thethe people who were put into trial,
many of them related stories that soundeda lot like the typical abduction scenario,
like they woke or they found themselveswithin these really strange realm full of machinery

(51:19):
and with no discernible lights and sometimeseven on a table, and they were
observed by non human entities, right, and some oftimes those entities performed some
type of procedure to them. Someof those procedures sometimes they were not really
that painful, So sometimes they werepainful. I mean, I remember one

(51:44):
account one of the trial subjects reportedlike being literally raped by some kind of
like reptilian entities while under the effectsof the MT. So we need to
ask if there is some kind oflike relationship between those accounts that were reported

(52:07):
in the use of all literature bypeople like Bod Hopkins and the accounts of
people who were just subjected to thispowerful drug, but where they were not
taken by a U of all,at least not in the physical sense.
I mean, it really puts intoquestion the the physicality of the U of

(52:29):
All phenomenon, or it's paraphysicality asit were, because I think it's the
thing with the U of All phenomenonas it with these experiences under d MT.
It transcends our definition of reality.Let's see. Well, you know

(52:51):
there's you know, I find havingdone this for several years now, I
find this, I guess the bestway to describe is this connect between people
that research and then go to theextent to truly try to understand it and
then those that are just kind ofgenerally interested in the phenomena. And there

(53:13):
is a disconnect there that I thinkis a wide enough gap between what researchers
have to go and what rabbit holethey have to go down to try to
understand something and the possibility of thathappening as opposed to let's say just somebody
watching a video like this one,or or you know, just watching some
documentaries and whatnot, and you knowit's it's I guess maybe that disconnect exists

(53:39):
and everything even between science and us, you know, because there's certain things
that scientists cover and don't go downthis path that most average person will never
do, you know, and wejust rely on them to come back and
say, all right, this iswhat's possible in physics today and tomorrow it
might be a different story base ofright now, this is the law,
you know, And it's like,can that subject of ethology then be brought

(54:05):
closer to the average person to wherethey can you know, go down the
same rabbit home as the researchers ordo you think it's always there's always just
going to be, you know,these two groups of people. Well,
one thing to point out, man, this a dirty little secret that is

(54:25):
not told often in UFOL circles,is that many many researchers are close at
the experiencers themselves. By that,by what what I mean is that some
of them they never admit in public, they will only admit in private that
they have had experiences of their ownlife. I mean, Bob Hopkins,

(54:50):
he's he's interested began because he sawa UFO one time and really greatly impressed
him. And Ymond Fowler the moveOn, a researcher who ended up writing
all those books about Betty and Dressonthe andreas An Affair, which are really
interesting because it really diverges from fromthe typical the idea of the narrative of

(55:17):
yeah, the little scientists coming inmetal craft coming here to collect samples.
Although he had she had also experiencewhich were quite physical and traumatic in nature,
including seeing feed us on developed insome kind of like almost like aquarium

(55:39):
bat or something. But but RaymondFowler getting to him, she admitted later
in life that he also was aUFO experiencer. You know. So,
I think that many many researchers,they don't really admit it, but they
had had experiences of their own.But maybe that's the reason why why they

(56:02):
have this obsession or passion, ormaybe maybe someone or something put them on
that particular path, almost like modernSaint Paul's, you know, on their
way to the MASCU. They hadthis vision that changed their life forever.
Now talking about trying to bring likethe UFOL experience to the masses, Well,

(56:24):
it's kind of like a complicated questionbecause I suspect that the UFO experience
is far more common than we dareto imagine, because I feel that today
in our modern era, such eventsare underreported because they are stigmatized by the

(56:46):
culture. It's like the thing thatyou like, you wouldn't bring to the
table when during a family dinner,Like, I don't know, have your
experience, like in the work environment. I remember when I used still working

(57:07):
in an average office, talking aboutUFOs was something that always felt kind of
embarrassing to me, like people willkeep me this look, you know,
and we all know about that kindof stigma. So now imagine if someone
actually had an experience, they probablywould keep it to themselves. So I

(57:30):
feel therefore that not only uf allevents, but also all sorts of high
strangeness events probably get under reported,you know, people like keep them on
their back of their minds are maybethey even forget about them, you know,
if it was traumatic enough. Youknow, some people remember they had

(57:52):
a really important and traumatic experience andit was long enough. Only after something
true leaders that memory that they realizethat they managed to bury bury the memory
with deep within their subconscious So there'sthat. I feel that what is one

(58:14):
of the reasons why the term partnormal is such inadequate, because I think
that this is the real face ofnormal, you know, these aspects that
we live in a world that isinhabited by by all these uh forces and
all these currents, and we trynot to pay attention to them because we're

(58:37):
only so preoccupied with our daily livesand our routines and and and our jobs,
and our relationships and Netflix and andand Nintendo Switch and all that craft.
And on top of that, weknow we're about we're gonna die one
day, and there's climate change andthere's all that. So who has time

(58:58):
to really pay attention to to allthe demons and the monsters and the phones,
you know, playing in the forestlike our ancestors did. But yet
they're still there. You know,we just have to like look and pay
attention to them, and maybe oneday we will once a game. Maybe
I don't know, maybe we needsomething really strong to happen, like maybe

(59:22):
the civilization needs to collapse, andit probably will whether we want it or
not. Because climate change is hereand it's coming for all of us.
So maybe once we are rid ofour you know, an amazing technology that
we've felt so proud of, wewill once again pay attention to what is

(59:42):
all around us, and we willsee that all those people reporting with experiences,
they were just more simply more sensitiveto these energies that are all around
us, and they'll never leave us. You know. Going back to your
comment about talking about your foes atat the workplace part of my experiences,

(01:00:07):
and then I also found out manyother people that have had them. You
know, what makes it, whatmakes it a big difference about being able
to just talk about your foes withpeople that generally are not into them,
is that I learned a long timeago to just keep doing what I'm doing,

(01:00:28):
you know, like going to conferences. If I have to take off,
I'm saying, oh, I'm takingoff, and I actually safe for
the reason why. But then Ileave it at that, you know,
and I don't just say, oh, I'm I need a personal day,
you know, I'm like, Nope, I'm going to RFO conference, or
no, I'm doing an interview.You know, when I was still working
in a regular corporate, corporate job. And what I found was very interesting

(01:00:50):
is because well, for one,I didn't want to lower my own you
know, my own life somehow asif I'm not worthy to be around the
normis, you know, just becauseI'm into your foes, you know,
and just because they don't want toknow or to understand. But what I
did find very interesting is by medoing that in persisting the first two three

(01:01:10):
years nothing and it didn't matter.It was it was not about them,
you know, whether or not theythey you know, why didn't they come
ask me? Why didn't they cometalk to me about this? But what
was interesting is that people knew andthen one by one and it's maybe like
a total of ten twelve people overthere. Then after these this two years,

(01:01:31):
you know, threshold that just cameto me in secret, you know,
and just kind of wanted to belike, hey, I heard you're
doing, you know, you like, researching your foes. What's it all
about? And they they asked meand I would tell them a little bit
and then they'll ask me more,and that's when I know I can tell
them more. But it was,you know, at no point did I
ever like feel like I shouldn't talkabout this, or or maybe you know

(01:01:55):
this is too crazy because you know, it's like I've experienced so much crazy
shit that I kid, I knowthey can't even begin to relate. And
just because they haven't had that experience, it doesn't mean that now I have
to lessen my life experience in someway, you know, Like I always
often use that example, what ifyou know, you and I unless you
know, let's say there was novideo of or of us having a conversation,

(01:02:21):
and we talk and we part ways, and then some you know,
somebody says, what were you doing. I was like, oh, I
was talking to RPJ. I don'tknow that there's no proof of RPG existing.
I'm like, no, I did. We talked, we talked about
great details. You know. They'relike, they're go online and there's no
no proof of RPJ. They're like, oh, no, he lives here.
No I can't see it. Doyou see what I mean? And

(01:02:42):
so basically the point was I couldnot then you know, just deny that
because okay, fine, you don'tbelieve me. But at the same time,
I have eyes, you know,and you know I can I can
see what I'm what I'm you know, interacting with and I can tell yep,
I'm sleeping or no, I wasn'tsleeping, or you know whatever.
And so I trust enough of youknow, of what it is that I

(01:03:07):
was doing in my own senses tojust you know, be very comfortable talking
about it matter of factually, becausethen it changed their mind, because I
think if I was more nervous andmore talking about it from the insecure point
of view, it would also thencreate this doubt within them, you know,
kind of like do I need tobe listening to this dude? You
know? But I would just talkabout it and I'm like, yep,

(01:03:29):
this is what happened, and thisis you know, what I did with
it. And then I move onand it leaves the seed in their minds
to where they keep coming back formore. Yeah. Like like I said,
I I used to be very justmental of people who weren't paying as

(01:03:50):
much attention to these topics as Idid when I was younger. You know,
like when I was younger and Iwas in my teens, and I
was really all all these utful booksand and and all old school kids made
fun of me and they marked meand whatever. You get a sense of
bitterness that I fear that is oneof the driving forces behind many of the

(01:04:14):
people who become more vocal in inonline circles. You for Twitter, and
I don't know are we are westill calling it you for Twitter? Or
is it utiful x or sufo?Or how how? How are you?
How do we navigate the name thechange? I'm sorry, I can't.
I think it's still seen you forTwitter, you know, So I'm gonna

(01:04:35):
stick with that until somebody changes outexactly up yourself on so and and again,
I feel that, like, likeyou've found out, a lot of
people have something to tell they havethis experience, that the problem is that

(01:04:55):
they have never found the place inwhich they feel safe sharing it, and
that I think that's one of thereasons why so many of us felt drawn
to the Internet and all these forumsor websites or or BBS chat groups where

(01:05:15):
people could actually share these stories andyou found a sense of community and also
found a sense that you were notalone. Because once again, these experiences
are far more common than we givethem credit for. Like, uh,
you see all these polls not onlyabout UFOs, like regularly they put these

(01:05:38):
polls that I don't all, likeseven percent of Americans believe in angels,
you know, which is kind ofastunding, even even in a world that
is becoming less and less religious aspeople keep dropping from going to regular church
services, but they still believe inangels, and they're still believing in astrology

(01:06:02):
and all and other things. Sothere's all these interesting developments of like people
no longer aligning with with with aninstitution, but still interested in in in
things that go counter with what societyis supposedly believes in, which supposedly we

(01:06:24):
only believe in matter. We allbelieve that there's nothing outside what our senses
or our instruments can detect, anddeath is the end of it all,
and there's nothing else and and andvery empirical, right, But that's not
the case that people do not behavethat way, you know, if if

(01:06:45):
they were, if they did,you know, I don't know, everybody
would be married with a prenupt orsomething, you know, and they wouldn't
go to a church or or theywouldn't feel the need to utter a little
prayer when they see a car accident. So I don't know what I'm getting

(01:07:08):
with this is that we shouldn't judgeand we shouldn't be so too hard with
the people who are not paying asmuch attentions as we do, because life
is hard. And I came torealize later in life that this thing is
you fall interest. It's kind oflike a privilege because there are many people

(01:07:29):
out there who are so consumed withthe day to day life, with trying
to keep up with their careers orwith their jobs, trying to keep their
marriage afloat, their family afloat,trying to provide for their kids, put
food on the table, and youask them to know who bubb Lasar is

(01:07:54):
or what he's all about, youknow, like they don't have time for
that. And at the same time, maybe we shouldn't paid that much attention
to Bubblastar because guess what, theworld is on fire. The world is
on fire, and Bubblastar is notgonna cut them solve that with his got
them element one fifteen or whatever.And maybe even if the ut of false

(01:08:17):
Land or the President of the UnitedStates tomorrow goes before the White House and
says, my fellow Americans and seriesesof the world, we are not alone,
and yes you have all those arereal, there will be probably a
big hooray among our circles. Butat the end of the day, we're
still immerging this problem of our collapsingenvironment, collapsing nature, rising tidal waves.

(01:08:45):
And what would you say, youknow, if tomorrow stupid Ladimir Putting
gets in a bad mood and decidesto push the button, you say,
well, at least we found thatview of all are real, you know,
before we all get blasted, youknow, by the nukes as all
comfort right. Well, you know, you and I both have been around

(01:09:11):
long enough though, I mean throughoutyou know, most of my life,
there's always been this this this chaoticand alarming stance that they always just try
to dangle in front of people's eyes, you know. For me, my
case Yugoslavia and that whole breakdown,you know, and it seemed like the
end of the world, you knowscenario. But anyway, what I'm trying

(01:09:33):
to say is just there's still acertain aspect about life that one can still
take and try to concentrate, tomake make up their own stands about what
is it that they want from itbefore they take that last breath, you
know, And irregardless of what stillgoes on out there, no matter how

(01:09:54):
good or bad things are, youknow, And I think if people would
take their time to, you know, to just take that approach, would
give them a different understanding, rightbecause at the end of the day,
we're software. Consciousness is a versionof software that you can rewrite, rewrite
it, you know, if itdoesn't match deep down of who you are

(01:10:15):
in your heart. And so Istill think that, you know, at
no point is it ever too latefor somebody to to stop and kind of
look around and I'm like, whoam I? Why am I here?
I agree completely? I mean,I mean one of the reasons why I'm
so thankful for UFOs. I mean, the thing that has the UFFUL topic

(01:10:39):
has given me is not like ohcertainty that yeah, the UFOs come from
X planet or wide dimension and they'rehere for this and this and this.
I don't think we'll ever get thoseanswers. And un quite comfortable with that
of going to my grave and notknowing the ultimate answer to Leo of a

(01:11:00):
mystery. But I don't care becausewhat the UFOs gave to my life enriched
my life by giving me the senseof wonder of really looking into the world
and see it. There is magicin it, you know, I mean,
it sounds cliche, it sounds scornyas hell, but I truly believe
in that that there is an aspectof the world that is so inspiring,

(01:11:29):
and it's like I is, Isuspect it's one of the reasons that gives
inspiration to artists, and it's thereason why why great musicians write wonderful songs
that will remain for thousands of years. It's that sense of wonder that I
also find in the uf of mysteries. There's the reason that, oh,

(01:11:54):
well, we there's something there,there's something that goes trascendence that is bigger
than us, and that is biggerthan our comprehension, and you know,
and that could be a sense ofdread to some like oh my god,
there's something that we cannot comprehend.We must shoot it down. As the

(01:12:15):
attitude that the military is the militaryguys in the United States have you know,
oh, UFOs are a potential threatand we need to you know,
be on the alert. But youcan also say, like, oh my
god, UFOs, it seems tobe something that goes beyond our comprehension,
and that should be okay, yes, a sense of fear, but also

(01:12:38):
a sense of wonder. And Ithink that sense of wonder, like you
say, puts your life in perspective, and like you said, you realize,
oh my god, well I'm herefor a limited amount of time.
Do I really want to spend thoselimited amount of years just you know,
chase in after a daily paycheck ora regular paycheck, or just doing things

(01:13:04):
and buying stuff that there really doesn'treally give me any satisfaction. Once I
opened the box and I realize,oh, well, it's just crap that
I really didn't need, and nowI need to work more to make up
for the money that I just wastedbuying this thing that I will toss in
a few years. But maybe ifyou will and go and turn your gaze

(01:13:29):
to the U foes, you'll see, well, there are far more interesting
things you could be using your lifewith, you know, like searching for
the answers. Sure we're also Imean doing other stuff like my friend my
Clellan. You know we're talking abouthim earlier. He keeps saying, you
know, but the great thing aboutU folcs, you first to stop and

(01:13:50):
start talking about lights in the sky, and sooner or later you have to
talk about God. Because I thinkthat that is at the center of the
ivan probably is the biggest mystery,you know, what is after we die?
Is there is there a God?There's something. And I think those
mysteries with the uf A mystery arerelated, deeply, deeply related, you

(01:14:12):
know. Uh, and uvols arealmost like a gateway drug. Like you
start starting UFOs and then you learnabout parta psychology, psychic phenomena, remote
viewing, reincarnation and said, ohmy god, this is all connected.
Well, it is connected because it'sall seems to be entangled with consciousness,

(01:14:33):
which is the biggest mystery of itall, you know. And and I
hope one day that our civilization willstart to pay more attention to these questions
instead of just saying, Okay,how do we make a bigger phone,
you know, or a faster caror you know, all these stories that

(01:14:57):
are just like polluting our planet andand they're pointless, you know what I
mean, you folks, I thinkare a way to see just how pointless
this other stuff is. But likeI said, at the same time,
I try to be not that ajudgmental with the people who don't share my

(01:15:17):
point of view, because I realize, okay, they are on their path.
They are on their life and I'min mine, and I haven't had
the luxury of walking on their amileon their shoes. They haven't done the
same on mind. And you know, maybe at one day we will all

(01:15:38):
just meet at some point, youknow, once everything is said and done.
Maybe not. I don't know.I don't have, Like I said,
I don't have answers. I justhave. I don't know. I
try to have hope instead of answersnowadays, right, well, you know
I have this is I have aquestion from Hazel, And this seems like

(01:15:59):
it's would have been a question atthe very beginning. But she she basically
she writes, sorry if I missedit, I had to leave the room.
A couple of times. Has acaller had his own experiences? If
so, at what age and howhas it changed him? I don't know.
I know you and I talked,but I don't know to what extent

(01:16:19):
of what you've been through. SoI'm curious myself not to hear from you
if you have anything to share.Well, like when it comes to like
UFO experiences, we were mentioning thoseencounters of the third kind. I've always
wanted my like mother ship on topof the mountain moment, you know,

(01:16:42):
or I will least, I willsettle with just watching the brightly lit multi
color UFO was whizzing by, youknow, the highway next to my truck
like in the movie. Unfortunately,none of that had happened. I had
once am really curious. I wouldsay it was a uful event because once

(01:17:04):
I was doing something in the middleof the night. I was outside and
then I looked like out of thecorner of my eye, I turned very
slightly in my head and I sawthese like light doing something almost like a
like an instant like doing. Butit wasn't an instant. It wasn't a

(01:17:26):
firefly, you know. I meanin Mexico City there were no there are
no fireflies. And besides, itwas October, you know, a way
to to cold for firefly weather.H And that was it. You know,
it lasted probably less than a second, but it still managed to get

(01:17:46):
an impression for me. And Iguess the reason why it got an impression
for me is because I wasn't expectingit. I was coming from one of
those conferences in which I managed tohang out with my friends, and so
I wasn't I was in a reallyreally good headspace, and I was feeling
this sense of thankfulness and nostalgia becauseI knew that it would take at least

(01:18:13):
a year or two years to onceagain get to see my friends. So
there was this sadness wrap around happiness. And that's when I had the experience,
and it kind of like made mewonder that, well, maybe the
reason that I didn't have an experiencebefore was because like I was too like

(01:18:34):
focused on having it instead of likejust let it, let it happen,
like not actively searching for it,if you know what I mean. So
there was that, which really isn'tlike nothing to brag about. But when
it comes to other kind of likewe heard experiences, I think VA synchronicities

(01:18:58):
are by far the one that haveimpacted my life the most, like I
don't know if you are aware.And then that I recently, with the
help of other friends, we releasedsomething we called the uthology Tarot deck,
which is like a tarot deck themajor or kind of cars in the taro,

(01:19:19):
but instead of the typical symbology,we used people from the Hufo history.
So the magician is Jacques Ballet,the hermit is John Kill and things
like that. Right, it's somethingI saw it on your side. I
just recently saw it, but ifyou came out with that earlier, I

(01:19:41):
was not aware, but just withinthe past two three days, right,
So yeah, this is something thatI mean, we've been working in it
for years and years, right.Obviously, the most of the project was
completed last year, you know,in two selves and twenty two, between
twenty between between twenty twenty one andtwenty and twenty two. And let me

(01:20:05):
tell you, there were a lotof synchronicities connected to to to that project.
Like one I can share with youright now with your audience is that
when I completed the Hermit card wasthe one with John Kill. Like the
night that I completed the card,I realized that I had done. I

(01:20:28):
completed the card the exact anniversary ofthe collapse of the Silver Bridge in uh
Point Pleasant, West Virginia. Inagency the thing that us portrayed not only
in John Hill's book The Moth NonProphecies, but also in the movie that
the was inspired by the book,which it's kind of it's kind of good.

(01:20:51):
You know, at first I didn'tlike it, but then it kind
of grew on me. But anyway, it was something that I didn't plan,
you know, it was it cameout like organically, and I really
was like, oh wow. Andthere were others, several others experiences that
happened to me which were really like, oh my god, this is this

(01:21:11):
is beyond normal coincidence, you know. And I think that is one of
the disguises, as it were,in which the phenomenon tries to like make
us pay attention to it. Right. Well, I'm you know glad you

(01:21:31):
also mentioned the other part. SoI pretty much wanted to ask questions I
wanted to ask you, and Ireally appreciate you being on with me tonight.
And I was wondering before we signoff when I switch over to IM
on the daily grail side right nowlooking at the carts, and so I
was wondering, if you can talka little bit about that as I show

(01:21:54):
the people what you're talking about,sure, Like, I mean, they're
my them. Pride and joy tookme so got them long to to to
make them. I didn't make themalone. It was kind of like a
collective project organized by other other likeminded friends and colleagues. Uh, and

(01:22:19):
we managed to create a crowdfunding campaignto pay for for for for the process,
you know, not only to payfor my fees so I could keep
eating while I was drawing these things, but also to finally print them and

(01:22:39):
and ship them to the people whoback tooss up through that key Starter campaign.
And I mean, it's it's it'sa really interesting project because it's not
just something like, Okay, I'mtaking the taro and I just like putting
in the face of I don't know, Carl Lorens or Jenny Randols instead of

(01:23:00):
the face of the generic woman thatappears in the car that was designed by
the name of the artists es case. I mean, I think it was
a Coleman. We really put alot of efforts in try to insert a
lot of symbology into the cards thatspeaks about the history of UFOs, the

(01:23:25):
history of these people who are portrayedin the cards, our ownspretations of the
UFO phenomenon. And I also meas the one in Church of Road,
and I was really interested in doingsomething that even someone who didn't give you

(01:23:45):
know, Adam about about the uthphotopic will still say, like WHOA where
it is? You know, justpick them up and look at them at
least for a few seconds, youknow, even if they weren't really interested
in them. And I think,really nice graphics, thank you. Well.
I try to make them as prettyas I could. You know this,

(01:24:10):
this is actually pretty pretty. Solike, But then I'm assuming then
somebody that does tarot card reading canuse them based on the same concept of
tarot cards. Although the picture doesn'texactly reflect of course, of course,
I'm actually I'm actually counting them them. I'm I'm actually hoping that people who

(01:24:31):
are regular tarot readers will actually manageto pick up the cars even though it's
just like I said, it's justa major or kind of, and actually
conduct a few readings to them,you know, and use them whatever whatever
the way they want to, youknow, to use them to us consult

(01:24:51):
a psychological consultation as divination, Idon't care, you know, or even
just to learn about the history ofyour fologing, you know, it's it.
I really am very interested in seeinghow people will end up using them,
you know. I mean, maybeskeptics will using them for target practice.

(01:25:14):
I don't know, I don't care, right, And so can you
explain a little bit just the dailygrail you are you're blogging there, right?
Is that your main contribution, becauseI know you also have your own
site, right, I mean theDaily Grail. Yeah, definitely is like
my main help as it were.I mean I've been collaborating with The Daily

(01:25:38):
Grail and its owner Greg Taylor forsistus two thousand and seven, two thousand
and eight. At least from twothousand and eight, I being working collaborating
with them in some capacity, AndI guess is the place that people connect

(01:25:58):
me with. And I'm very proudof that because Deligrail is one of the
one of the best places you canbusy in order to get, you know,
news related to paranormal content, becauseI think we have a very open
mind but centered approach to all thesetopics. We we have a deep knowledge

(01:26:20):
of of these topics, so wedon't fall for the facts as it were.
You know, when it comes tooh my god, David Grouch is
the new whistle blower and he's talkingabout all these uh legacy programs of recovered
delion and reverse engineering. Oh mygod. Yeah, but we know that

(01:26:44):
before him, there were this andthis and these other people who are basically
telling the same thing. In theseventies, in the sixties and the fifties
whatever. So so I think thatthat is the business that we'll find in
people in the Deligrail. And we'realso interested in all the things in opera,
psychology, uh goo, stories,all the stuff. I mean,

(01:27:09):
I think it's an also regular historyand regular stuff. I think that it's
the richness of the place. Andas for my own personal website, yeah,
I have a really a little thingcalled Absurd by Design. Yeah,
the title is something that really I'mon I'm on the right now looking at
some of the graphics. Yeah,thank you. I haven't updated it in

(01:27:31):
ages because I've been too busy.The last thing that I did and then
that I'm going to publish and andand talk about not only on my own
personal website board the Telli Grail.I just completed the cover for Joshua Cutchins
first novel that he's going to publishby the end of this month. It's

(01:27:57):
a great book. I mean,I'm not saying this because josh Josh is
my boy, you know, he'sone of my best friends. But I
mean, this motherfucker can write.That's all I'm saying. It's all I'm
saying is This book is phenomenal.It's long, but you will see that
you will not be able to putit down until they finish it. All

(01:28:21):
right, Well, RPJ, thankyou very much. I really appreciate it.
Again, I know it's I thinkwe're in the same timeline right,
it should be close to eight thirtyand your your end as well. And
yeah, I'm glad you were ableto come on at least, just you,
you know, tell me about yourperspective from your part of the world,
where you where you live at,and just to see if there's you

(01:28:42):
know, if it's any any differentthan what's what's you know being shown over
here now. Of course the normalnormal is I call them, they wouldn't
know anything what's going on. Ifthey're not even aware of your foes,
they wouldn't even be aware of anyattacks in Brazil or Peru or anywhere else.
So but in either case, yeah, thank you again. Give me
the two links again, so DailyGrail dot com and observed by Design dot

(01:29:05):
com. Yeah, exactly, Okay, Well again, thank you. I
hope we could do this again sometime. I know it's been a while since
the last time, you know,we were on. But with if things
keep ramping up more and more.You know, I definitely you don't need
that other perspective from that part ofthe world, so I would greatly appreciate

(01:29:25):
it. If you can't come,you know, come back on, sure
you've got it will be. Itwill be my pleasure. Man. Always
nice talking to you. All right, Well, sit tight, let me
just say goodbye to the audience andthen there should be it. So everyone,
thank you all very much. Iappreciate you joining us, and for
those asking questions, as always,you can join the Telegram group, where

(01:29:48):
I basically try to keep more ofour direct personal line and if anything else
happens with any of the other channels, I'll always have telegram. So also,
since I know a lot of youhave questions, but somehow when the
guest comes on and the more youknow popular they are, the least amount
of people want to actually ask questions. When I know that there's always chat

(01:30:11):
rooms and Reddit and everybody filled withall kinds of things to say about the
author to the author or the researcher, but then they don't take the opportunity
to talk to them. So that'sone thing that I've always had kind of
going since I started the live shamingis that you can always call in to
basically just you know, ask thequestions or whatever whatever it is on your

(01:30:32):
mind, so that you're not youknow, basically for one, you get
to speak to the person directly,and two you're not just reading a book
or getting it second, third,fourthand you know kind of say is to
say through the great mine. Soanyway, I hope you check out all
the websites that RPJ has provided.Also anything that I have in the description

(01:30:59):
below where you can follow your fuhub on podcasts and all the other channels,
I hope you check that out aswell. And I don't often do
this, but if you can subscribe, like if you are liking it.
If not, give me a disclike. Who knows. But anyway, so
this will be it for today.Please join me next week Wednesday at seven

(01:31:20):
pm I might have an open linesmaybe another guests. I'm not quite sure
yet, but just stay tuned.So I've been officially back after my lightning
surge, and so a lot ofthings that I need for streaming have been
replaced and it seems to be workingall right today. So again, thank

(01:31:41):
you all, RPJ. Thank youas well, and I hope to see
you all next time.

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