UN/SUPPRESSED EP 012 "Recommended Packing List"

Avery reviews his gear lists for when he travels, based on the purpose of the "mission."
Full packing and gear lists are available on Aftermath.media

Episode Transcript

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Damn Wes and welcome to Unsuppressed.Did you ever have another gear talk or
were we talking about things you shouldpack? That's an interesting way to interest.
That's an interesting sea friend. Stuffinto your bag. Let's you know
what. We had a little bitoff air discussion, and we need to
narrow it down a little bit becausethere is a huge discrepancy in the belief

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of what you need to pack inyour e d C. From all the
way to your go bag, yourbug out bag, your bug in bag,
your pull on your bag, herbag, your you know, all
that kind of thing. Avery beingan industry guy and he has been doing
this type of thought process since thebeginning of time. I think he actually
came out of the womb and hewas saying that, you know, his
mom, she just didn't bring thecorrect stuff for the you know, for

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the diaper bag. He was like, you need to have this in here.
If you have this, all thosekind of things I think pops out
fans the fun out of her andthere were what's wrong with you? You
need to have It's like where's myfoot powder? No so, but like
shit, so it was So Mypoint is is I think I think we're

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all in the same position thought processthat maybe a general packing list for like
a three day of cult pack ora two day of soul pack, that
kind of thing might be a greatbasis on where to start. What do
you think, avery, Yeah,so there's a couple of things to point
out. But I think Wes isgoing to try and screen share. Is
that right? Is that what yourYeah? Let me, I'll bust it
out here in just a moment.Yeah. So he's going to screen share

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a packing list that I've made.Well, it's the title of the packing
list is twenty twenty, so it'sa three year old packing list. I
think this is a packing list Imade when I lost my last packing list
that I had started. But thisis a conglomeration of two for six eight
different packing lists that I've generated throughoutdifferent periods of time and for different reasons.

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I have a military packing list fordrill weekends. That's what I was
expecting my soldiers to pack in theirbags at all times, and so I
issued that out to everybody, andthey're required to have their bags packed to
that all the time. Like Ijust said, I have a travel ruler,
which is my biggest work in progress, right, now that's something that
I carry on to the plane.It also I think it also has my

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backpack in there that I have maybenot. And then there's a Zombie Kit,
So that's like you know, theshit hits the fan, sky falls
in the later Yeah, all ofthose things. Raptors come out of the
caves and they start dragging people backto add to their feeding storage stock.

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Yeah. Then there's the Go Box. The Go Box is kind of the
newest, newer idea that I've had. It's kind of a revision of the
Zombie Kit in a way, butit's the stuff that's ready to go right
now, so it's it has alittle bit different, different action plan to
it. Then there's the a pf K, which is the Assault Pack

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First Aid Kit. It's an expansionof my individual or like everyday carry first
Save Kit a little bit more quantitiesof booboo stuff in it. Really it's
not so much designed for like traumaor anything like that. It's really like
cut yourself now, you need antibioticsthat type of thing. Yeah. And

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then there's the Booboo Kit, whichis what I previously mentioned, which is
just like I threw this in mybag, my backpack has one all the
time, and my car has oneand stuff like that. We can talk
about these kits and a little bitmore detail if you guys would like.
And then another item that I'm workingon right now is my field repair kit.
And so the field repair kit,you know, is like when you're
out and like somebody brace their glassesand they're like, oh, I can't

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do anything without my glass. Aswell, it's got JB weld and some
wire and some string and a sewingkit, so you can basically weave,
you know, something together to beable to And the reason that one's hyperlinked
is because I was sharing it withanother friend who wanted to make them and
give them away his Christmas presents,and so I was giving him links to
all the different components that you wouldneed. Okay, so yeah, I'm

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screensharing right now. The packing list. That's the military drill. If you
look at the tabs, that's themilitary pack. Yeah. So here at
the bottom of it, we cango through each one quickly if you want,
or if there's a select few youwant to pick it because any otherwise
it's going to take you. Letto do it all. Fuck it,
let's do it that's fine. Well, well let's go on to this real
quick. So one of the problemsI have with people in our community is

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they're very critical, and they wantto be critical because if they're critical of
you, then it shows how muchthey know. I sit here and I'm
like, well, Bill, where'syour drone and your sackcom Then I'm showing
that I know something that you don't, and therefore you are less prepared because
I'm smarter than you. Really,no, I'm going to shoot you and

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take yours. Yea. All thepeople that I used to hang out with
that I used to hang out with, I don't hang out with people who
do that anymore because fuck that.Well, Avery does not punch down.
He only punches up, So Iknow he when every says things like that,
he's trying to help you understand more. He's trying to grow you as
an individual. So that with thatin our community being such a big issue,

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and the issue is we're all LARPinghere, right, We're all playing
make believe until something actually happens andwe need our bags that hopefully we're near
our bags or near a kit,or near our guns, or near our
cell phone, whatever it is thatwe need at the time in order to
make it out of that situation.Well, that person who's projecting onto you
doesn't know what you're planning your situationto be, and they have their own

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ideas of what that situation is goingto be. So it's like comparing apples
to oranges. It's a ridiculous it'sa pointless endeavor to try to come to
that flex on you as to whyyour stuff is dumb and I'm smarter than
you. Yeah, but what youcan't go ahead because you might want to
have some wet weather gear if you'regoing to live in Oregon or Florida.

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But theas you know, for someonethat lives in like Iowa, they're gonna
be like, well, why wouldyou want so much rain gear? Why
wouldn't you want more snow stuff becausethey have Why don't you have more tornado
gear? Exactly. Yeah, ifyou live in Texas or you live in
the tornado alley in the middle ofthe United States, you're gonna want stuff
to help you with the tornado becausethat's that's a big issue out there.
Whereas for us, we're probably notgonna worry about tornadoes or hurricanes. Whereas

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in the South, they're gonna wantto worry about those those hurricane issues.
So so Bill mentioned bugnet when wewere talking about this earlier. None of
my kids have bugnets on them.They have bug repellent, but no bugnets.
And that's because everywhere I go mostof the time doesn't need a bugnet.
But if I were to go someplacethat needed, I would absolutely have
a bugnet. When I went toKatrina, we had bugnets. Those mosquitoes

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down there are really bad. Well, I do notice one thing, and
this is something's very clear because eventhough it says a military packing list,
here's what's interesting. Every one ofthese items is sourceable to someplace like RII
or some type of like you know, non mill non surplus type item that
you can get lighter and it'll beprobably more lightweight, and it'll be probably

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more functional when you're not talking aboutbeing in a war scenario. So this
is something that has a multifunction.And if you start orienting your your brain
paan toward building everything this direction,you will be prepared better for what you're
running into versus somebody saying, well, I'm only going to use military equipment.
Because from what was that, there'sthis guy. His name is like

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Nico Ortiz, and he always makesjokes about the military. It says,
the military makes everything fifty pounds heavierthan it's supposed to be everything. So
if you can buy it on thenon commerce, if you can buy a
commercial non military surplus, chances areyou won't a fifty pound pack in a
military maybe a thirty five pound packfor like a backpacker. Right, does
that sound pretty accurate? But thereis on occasion a trade off. And

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so that trade off would be,for example, the military E tool.
That thing's heavy, but you canangle it so it's a pick, or
you can straighten it out to useit as a shovel. There's no commercial
like RAI E tool like that.They're all these little trials and different things
like that. But that's making theassumption that you're gonna need to dig a

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foxhole at some point, you know, and if you can murder weapon,
yeah, yeah, actually it is. Yeah, But you know, realistically,
you're not going to be needing anE tool for our situations. And
I much rather not have the weightthan to have the capabilities of digging a
fighting position in the event that Ineed. Now, you might still need
a digging implement so you can buildstructures or something like that where you need

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to put posts in the ground ordig a poophole or something like that.
Like let's say you're in a ifthere is an evacuated evacuation and you guys
need to like set up someplace youwant to have sanitation, So you're gonna
want to be able to dig atrench so that you can have a you
know, a latrein basically, soyou're gonna need some sort of digging tool,
but you're gonna get a much lighterone that's going to weigh less than

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a pound and still do the samething. So no, it's just fascinating.
So for the sake of those whoare listening to this on the audio
podcast, let's just kind of gothrough the items real quick so that they
have a chance they can Well,what I'll do is I'll break it down
and if they want to, ifyou want to share the link with them
or download it and share it tothem and on our platform, then you
can do that as well. Thisis all open source and people to do

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whatever they want with it. Theycan change it, get rid of things,
add things, but basically have itbroken down to your major components.
And then from the major components thatthe items that make up the packing,
you know, components to the baglet's say, or the garment. So
you have like rucksack, you havean assault pack, and this is just
for the drill one, right,so this is military drill. So this
is what I made my guys havetheir stuff packed to and so in there

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I have basically everything like a rocksack was everything they needed to live minus
food and water for three days sothey could do hygiene, they could sleep,
they could operate, they could dotheir jobs. Everything out of their
rucksack. Their assault pack was oneday, so they could basically carry their
assault pack and be able to goto range or do whatever they need to
do that one day. The FLCor IBA or the fighting load carrier,

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their kit, let's say, thatwas everything they need to do needed to
be able to do their job thatmoment. So if their batteries died or
they needed to loube something, orthey need to shoot something or move something
with the you know, constantina wireor something like that, so all their
personal protective equipment and their ability toperform their duties hygien kits are go into
the rough weapons, clean kit goesinto the assault pack, and then there's

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an a bag which is down thebottom there and that's their long turn bag.
So that's stuff for like thirty daysworth of existing that's gone. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, and yeah.And that's just a basic And then
again this wasn't my load out.This was the bare minimum load out for
soldiers. But if you go overto little pick something else, pick another

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one, yeah, click one overyeah, travel roller. So this one
is, like I said, itwork in progress. It's broken out.
It's kind of it's one bag,so I wasn't able to break it out
the same way really, but it'slike your clothing items, it's and the
clothing ie is broken onto two.So it's the dress stuff so if I'm
going out at night or it's theworkout closed and the workout clothes also double

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duty as daily like when I'm notdressed up, if I'm just going to
the coffee shop or running errands ordoing something like that. Then there's personal
hygiene stuff, there's some repair stuff, there's backup ID, backup cash,
credit cards. I also throw inthere now five or six stamps and that's
in case I accidentally bring a knifewith me, I can mail it back

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or have the option of mailing itback. Food items. Yeah, food
items. That's really important because oftenyou get stuck in a terminal and if
your plane lands somewhere around eleven o'clockand you get off the plane and you're
in a small terminal, everything's closed. So I also keep quarters so I

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can use vending machines. Most vendingmachines take credit cards nowadays, but there's
a fee associated with that. Soalso a thick stack of quarters that are
taped together is a great way tocarry those quarters. It could be a
defensive tool if you have enough ofthem. I mean, oh, by
the way, I just brace yourhands. So I know that the foodless

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is bullshit now because there's no Mand ms. It says Mike and Ikes.
So just saying yeah, they've beenswapped out. No longer eminems.
Dude, I live off being atM and M's. That's my jam.
It's like, it's like that nowit hurts me that you're now a Mic
and Ike fan. Just pure sugar, and there's no way. The reason
being is I travel to a lotof warm places, and so M and
M's are gonna melt in those warmplaces. And I understand that they have

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the Yeah they have the marts,coating and all that stuff, but the
fact is that they'll break up.Yeah, they get broken up, and
then they melt and then becomes ahuge mess. So I do the mic
and ikes. I try to doa dinner and a breakfast in my in
my carry on bag. And that'sjust in case I get to a hotel
late at night and I need somethingto eat, and then the next morning,
if I have to leave before breakfastis served or you know whatever,

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I have that option and that helpsjust kind of extend my operational time so
that I can then get to agrocery store after whatever I need to do
is done. Well, I liketo clarify all the alcoholics out there,
drink mix does not mean alcohol margaritamix. All right, Well, I
carry this with me all the time. I have like Gatorade, the mixes,

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the powdered stuff, Gatorade zero sugar, or you can get different flavors.
You can get like lemonade. There'sone that tastes like starbursts and another
that they have no sugar, andthen you just mix them into a bottle
of water shake them up, orif you have a water bottle that you
can refill, you can. Andthe water's kind of nasty tasting, so
like at the Ground zero studio theyhave a water has some kind of a

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flavor to it, So I justmix that stuff in with it so I
can stay hydrated and I have tobe grossed out. But yeah, that's
that's always handy to have on andthey don't usually care if you bring it
in even though it's powder it's afood product. Most like convention center,
they don't care. So you cantake it with you to like events like
that. I'm sure the airport willprobably be fine with it as well,

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because it's in a plastic tube andit's sealed. So yep, you know,
you just say, I use theliquids. But I also have a
box of different packaging materials, anda lot of them are different bottle sizes,
so anywhere from half a or fivemili liters up to like a couple
ounces or something like that, Sothey range from being very small all the
way up to like full sized bottles, and then I just put use them

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for whatever I want. So Ibuy a bulk whatever, and I put
it in there, and that becomesmy hygiene kit, and that becomes my
drink mix and all that stuff.But the one thing I want to point
out is the fanny pack, andso that works out really well for me.
It has to be a small fannypack because most airlines will count that
as a carry on item. Soit's small enough that I wear a button
up shirt when I travel, andmy button up shirt covers the fanning pack,

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and so they don't even know Ihave it on. Or before you
go through and you get your ticketscanned to go onto the plane, you
rotate the fanny pack to your back. Then they can't see it, and
they usually they don't fucking care,so you can. As long as they
don't see it, they won't sayanything. The fanny pack is great,
But can you put can you bringMason a plane? Yes? Okay,
so never mind, let's not talkabout that anymore. I'm just I'm just

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saying, you packed whatever you wantto pack. Hey, question on THESA.
We'll let you know if you canhave it or not. Okay,
there you go, So your diddybag and it says field repair kit.
Do you have like a lighter orsomething like that in their fire source.
Yeah, so it used to beyou could only have matches, but they've
listed that, lifted that recently,and now you're allowed to have a lighter.

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Okay, So I still have matchesin my field repair kit. However,
I also have a lighter just incase something changes. For example,
these little knife blade holders, theysaid that you and I think I mentioned
this last week. They said,you can't have the holder anymore either.
So I used to travel with aflipout utility blade holder and then I would
just buy the blades and drop themin. But you can't even do that

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anymore. So yeah, because Imean the fire source. The first thing
I thought of when I saw thefifty quarters, like, I need a
lighter. I need those prepaid smallshipping boxes that you get from like USPS
or or UPS or fed X,and then just have one flattened out in

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your bag and then when you're oh, neverbody, you can't fly out with
it, so you have like yourknife in your carry back. So one
of the things, one of thethings I've tried doing is I'll just take
an envelope and I'll put a coupleof these in the envelope, taped up
so they don't cut anything, andthen I just ship the envelope to my
hotel room and then it's there whenI get there. That works. There's
some other if you travel to thesame place a lot, there's things you

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can do with like little things likethis where if it if somebody finds it
or throws it away or something,is not a big deal. You know.
Nice per chopsticks are always nice,just saying yep, there's a there's
a bunch of people. Its tactical. They do a lot of suggestions is
for airport security, so padlock witha handkerchief, different things like that.

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I think it comes down to ifyou can train with it so you know
what you're doing so you don't looklike an idiot or hit yourself in the
head with something heavy like that wouldbe bad. The sciss I'd like to
make note of the medical scissors.That's my newest edition that goes into my
fanny pack as well. That's reallynice. If you buy something in the
airport you need to cut it open. The medical scissors are blunt tips,
the cutting areas smaller than three inches, so it passes TS current TSA regulations

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and I love having those I havea pair of Fisker fold up which are
actually a little sharper than my medicalscissors, but those go that goes in
my uh my backpack, and Ikeep those in there. But are my
nippers right, they're like actually nipperscissors or like pointy the fish. Yeah.
Yeah, the Fiskers are. Theyfold into themselves and they become about

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an inch and a half tall.But the medical scissors are my favorite edition
right now. I've also added abackup battery to the fanny pack as well,
a very small one. I haveone in my rucksack and I have
one in my rolling bag. Ibelieve it's not in there. It needs
to be added. But my rollingbag has a USB port on it,
so it permanently has a USB hasa backup battery that sits in there,

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along with a cable so that Ican plug into the outside of the suitcase
to charge my phone. But youdon't have access to that when it's in
your overhead compartment and you find outthat your seat doesn't have power because you're
in the broke section. Pat doesn'tknow nothing about that, but some of
us live in the cattle car.Yeah, yeah, question, have you

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ever done the UH used like thethe solar panel chargers for hiking, for
like for battery charging and SUSS soI think those have merit when you're staying
in an area for a decent periodof time and you've done your math as
to know how much power something isgoing to consume. I like the Goal

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zero ones where they have the doubleA or the triple A batteries that go
in there that you can charge,take out, or use it as a
backup battery in itself. Their sportsare a little outdated. I think they're
using like many USBs or something likethat, you know, the little trapezoid
shaped ones, not like the microUSBs, but like the two thousand and
eight plug ins, and I likethose. But for panels, you have

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to do the math to know thatif you're leaving in the sun for a
couple hours, it's going to beworth it, and that depends on your
altitude the sun clouds the angle ofthe panel to the sun. I find
it better just to carry a reallybig backup battery. When I do MSW
events, I just carry big backupbatteries. He's like, what are you

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doing? Got my fucking car battery? Throwing off the back of the vehicle.
Well, we get on this onebecause we're getting about ten minutes left
on this show. Well let's let'sjust jump through. Let's let's just do
run straight through and we'll just kindas quick as we I think we wouldn't
do a break on this one.So we have about ten minutes left,
so we'll got on through two.So do you want to jump and cover

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the the booboo kit? Yeah?Okay, So the booboo kit's pretty cool.
It's usually you can go to ARIIand you can buy these little kits
and they're great for if you cutyourself, if there's some sort of fluid
coming out of you, that canusually treat you. But most of the
time that's not what you need.Most of the time, what you need
is you got a headache, yougot diarrhea, you got off, you

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know, your eyes are reacting toallergies, burn yourself, things like that.
So you want to make sure thatwhatever kit you have has the appropriate
drugs in it. And ari Idoes sell a single use drug kit refill
that you can get and it coversa lot of them. They're still short
on a few things. Basically,what I do is I go to the

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dollar tree or the dollar twenty fivetree now, and I go through and
I basically look for an ailment.Have I ever like? I go to
the medical section and I go,have I ever needed that before? Yes,
I'll take a bottle and then I'llfigure out what it equates mathematically out
to so it all breaks up evenlybecause some have ten pills, some have

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fifteen pills, some have one hundredpills. And so I'll figure it out
so I can build ten kits.Get a ziplock bags, a little tiny
ziplock bags from Amazon. Then I'llpackage it all up, use a sharpie
to label the dosage, the nameof the pill, all that on it,
and then put it into a biggerziplock bag along with some band aids,
and you're good to go. Andso if you've noticed it's like really

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heavy on drugs, Yeah, wellthere's another two things that people overlook.
A scalpel and tweezers. That issome seriously good shit to have if you're
out doing stuff. I was outtoday, Okay, So every time you
go to a like a tractor supply, a Willco farm store, a coastal

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something like that, something does withlivestock. I all because I constantly because
I have horses and shit, soI'm constantly in those stores. I think
I came across quick clot today,Yeah, yeah, and I was like,
this is as I remember. It'sthe same stuff that they put in
quick clot. You can literally makeyour own quick clot for an external you

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know, injury and you know,extremity, because if you throw it on
an organ, you're gonna die.But I mean, but like on your
arm or something, you can literally, you know, it's like the powdered
aluminum oxide whatever, you know,that shit that you can basically seal a
wound. It's like a wound sealand that's like twelve bucks, but if
you bought it for a person,it's like nine million dollars. You know,
because every time you buy something thatsays made by you know, trademark,

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right, it's always you know,and it says tactical in front of
it ends up being a three hundredpercent more expensive. So those are definitely
things that if you are in themarket for, like like chlorhexadine and stuff
like that, you can find thosefor a lot less at a at a
I don't know what a animal supplyand it's the same exact product. Yeah.

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I mean, obviously we're just givingour opinions about thinking we're not medical
professionals and you should seek a doctor'sapproval before you do anything. Concur literally
I concur do not drink pool cleaner. No, what is it? Worm
worm hybermact, which has been somethingthat's been used. I don't know.

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Human version comes in a pill,the animal version comes to paste. That's
how you tell the difference. Andit's like and the dose. But you
can't be taking like the horse dosage. Hey, let me have that horse
dosage. Yim mebably makes sick.Yeah, I know, right, well,
you know you got that big.You know, the Donald doesn't listen
to our show relax ouch. Solet's jump over to field repair kit because

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that's something that's always viable. Yeah. Lastly is the field repair it.
And there's some hyperlinks in there tothe Amazon, but the basic ideas of
things that you might need to usein the event that your sunglasses break,
or your prescription glasses break, oryour key breaks in half, or you
know, different things like that,just different reasons why you might need to

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do something. Maybe maybe you needto build a tablet stand because you're stuck
in an airport for you know,the next twelve hours and your kids losing
their freaking mind, and so youwant to basically use some tape in a
uh, you know, a oneliter McDonald's cup to make a stand for
the tablet or something, right,and so that this kit you would easily

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be able to do something like that, you know, sewing kit all that.
So yeah, oh, there's yeah, that there is. There's the
lighter I didn't go all the wayover, and the point five mil bottles
that's the that's always good for likeall your all your liquids for get.
I mean, that's that's one ounceof JB. That's a lot of freaking
JB wild And even if you don'tget all of it out of the container,

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that's still you know, quitting apoint eight ounces of JBUILD And that's
more than you need to really fixanything. What I find I use the
absolute most is the duct tape andthe glue stick. Those two things.
Use it all the time. Yeah, the guy's funny, that crazy glue
or glue stick, okay, gluestick just making shit stick together, basic

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stuff. M And then yeah,I mean, Pat, do you have
any things that you'd want to addto if you're talking about looking at all
this, is there anything that you'dcome across. He's a jet boil and
a butler. You know. Thanks, No, no, not really,

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I mean like it's already been touched. I mean if there's little personal things
you want to carry, sure,But no, I think that's a pretty
damn good, pretty good start.Something I've been trying to figure out is
how it can make something that couldsolder using the lighter and a few other
things like that, and or somethingthat would could determine voltage so you could

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decide you can figure out if batteryis dead, or figure out if a
plug in is hot. You couldmake it use a d bulb. But
yeah, that's always good. Thethere are there are flame pins or whatever
like torch pins that are only they'rereal small. I've seen those which I

(26:33):
my my trade show back or I'msorry my Airsoft. Actually, if you
go to the Aerosoft one, itmight have a toolkit in there. No
it doesn't. I have a toolkitthat I take to events and it has
a soldering iron like a propane orbeautant powered soldering iron for you know,
if you need to change connections outof wires break or whatever. The battery

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iron like the cold heat. Icould never get that thing to work.
I had when when I was ateenager. It sucked so bad. The
fire ones you have about fifteen minutesof use before you run out of juice,
like the ones that I've had,so you need to keep them topped
off. So that'd be about it. No, a lantern, Yeah that's
smart, but yeah for the Imean if that we're now we're onto the

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airsoft tab and the lantern is reallynice for doing check in on Friday night.
You know, you can set upit over your checking area, or
you know you're setting into a buildingand you're not really tactical, Let's say
you can set up a lantern upthere and be able to have a place
where people can come together and plan. I mean. The one thing that
I added to mine, which iswhich our buddy Nick from a long time

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ago he turned me onto, arethe reusable glow sticks red and blue that
are double A powered turn Are theydouble eight or twenty twenty thirty two twenty?
These are these are double A,double or triple A. I think
they're double A because I'm just trailers. Yeah, they're the ones that are
those work really slick as you canmake a buzz off you really needed to,

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and they're also pretty their their shelfstable and if you can turn them
on and off. So that's somethingthat if instead of carrying a bunch of
chem lights, as long as you'renot intending on you know, breaking them
and throwing them to make just saysomething's done or not done then or trying
to signal that way, then thatwould be a thing. And other than
that, yeah, I don't havea lot to add because that's all the

(28:25):
same stuff that you made me use. So everybody whenever I'm talking about if
I have a question about and he'sgoing to a rucksack or as salt bag
or whatever, I always ask Averyfirst because he's like, you don't need
that, or you need this,or you don't need that, or you
need this. And it's just becausehe understands the mission that I'm asking about
when because we discussed it first,so in closing before we before we leave.

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But I would say that everybody whois who is watching, I know
that listener Ash she put up alot of stuff for her everyday carry stuff.
When we start talking aboutvehicles was veryconcise and very thorough. We would
we would like to hear more onsome of your personal sustain and stuff that
would be lar operational. Uh,and then of course things that you know

(29:14):
can be pulled from your home thatyou would add to this if necessary.
So, because I think everybody's missionis different, because I don't think you're
necessarily the only thing that's the onlywrong plan is to not have a plan
at all. And then then becauseyou're because there's no way to there's no
way to just you know, throwit together in the last second, say
oh I'm good and be like,yeah, you're the guy carrying the trash
bag with water in it. Gradually, So there's two points Wes mentioned earlier,

(29:38):
is like, well, how doyou even get started? Or what
do you tell people? And theywant to get started into this, And
I tell them just go to anRII website and find the overnight you know,
backpacking bag packing list that they haveon their website and just start there.
And then I tell them, oncethey do that and they get this
list or they use my list,but once you get that list, just
any list, you can actually gointo your house and start by just seeing

(30:02):
what you have lying around. Youhave that whole range jacket that sits in
the far left hand side of thecloset that you haven't used in three years.
And you have you know, abunch of shit that's over and your
drunk drawer, lighters, flashlights,all these different things that were given to
you because you open a bank account, you know, different things like that.
You just throw them all into thisbag. At least put it in
the bag. It doesn't even haveto be organized yet. Just start by

(30:22):
putting it in one spot and thentake a ziploc bag and go in and
be like, oh, there's fiveyear old top ramen. I can't as
sue, and you know a bunchof crackers done, so a start,
just to start, well, youkick it off when you start. The
mindset, and the mindset is howdo I make this better? How do
I make this better? How doI make this better? How do I
rEFInd this? How do I makeit lighter? That was the one thing

(30:45):
I made the change from an Alicepack to this new Assault pack that so
listen occasionally dope deals happen on theinternet and Pat saw this girl falcon.
I think it's how you name whatyou call it, Maximedition pat right,
and they were like two for one. Yeah, it was two for one
special right. So it got amax Pedition's pack for one hundred and twenty

(31:08):
bucks. And that's a that's apretty solid deal, I think under the
circumstances. Yeah, there you go. His is a lot lighter than mine.
Right now. His looks pretty prettyfresh. But there are some limitations
due to sizing, but I wentand rugged them today. It does and
this was probably I weighed myself out. It's like a thirty pound pack right

(31:30):
now compared to it because you whenyou start taking away all the other parts,
I probably say five or six pounds. But it does carry pretty easy,
and it does integrate well with witha plate carrier. It does.
And because you can adjust the topstraps, which I was not prepared for
that technology, it changed the waythe loading was. It put all on
my hips instead of riding it onmy shoulder, so I wasn't so happys

(31:51):
you spend money on nice things,Bill Well. The idea is is that
when I'm trying to impart to everybody, is is if there's a buying opportunity
and you get you can get somethingthat's of higher quality for a lot less
money. Then you need to dothat. This is the this is the
intent of community. So if somebodybecause if you know, if Avery sees
something or Patsy Somemer, if I'mby some fucking stroke of luck that you

(32:15):
know, West finds something that isyou know that you know, I mean
that's like this type of stuff.If I mean it's look, rucking is
not Wes's thing, but Pat andAvery year and stuff. This is how
he lives. But if if Iwas going to ask Avery about i mean
a Pat about audio visual stuff,he'd be like, why are you talking
to me? You should be talkingto Wes so subject matter expert. Right,

(32:36):
So what you want to do isyou start developed community. You have
everybody has strengths, and then youhave people and then everybody's collectively gets stronger
and better at whatever because as longas everybody's motivated to help each other out.
So the intent is is that that'swhy we're doing this, and go
ahead. Avery. My last freebextra credit advice is always have ten percent

(32:57):
of your packing space empty because you'llwant to have more space to put more
shit in. That makes totally That'swhy I need to add more stuff.
Is there any homework that we wantto give? Oh? We never we
never granted the homework from the howwould You Pack a Vehicle? Episode?
It was like episode three or four. Oh we did. We talked about
we talked about what Ash had goingon, We talked. We did go

(33:19):
back through that in the comments Actually, I mean I guess we did it.
Yeah, so rast our listeners don'tsure, of course, but is
there here for that? Unfortunately hewas, he was he was off doing
he was too good in the commentsshow. He was here in spirit.
So my thought is is there somethingthat we would like to do for homework
for this episode that they could putin comments? Then when we do comments

(33:43):
episodes, we'll grade the homework everytime we complete the Yeah. So when
we come back end about episode twenty, well, we'll get it. Get
around to it. I have atwo part question. How about this?
How many levels of paredness should youhave? That's one question like pay style

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like that, Yeah, like like, okay, I'll give you. I'll
give you the first level. Thestuff in your pocket that's usually in the
community, that's level one, soeasy. Let's say your everyday carry like
that's level one, right, that'sthe stuff you have it immediately with you
right now. Right, So there'sthat, and I fucking forgot the second
question. That's that's still a bigquestion though. That's a big one to

(34:30):
figure out, like for somebody tothink, like, and the reason why
this is an important question is itbecause you now have to realize, like,
oh, just because I built abag and threw it in my closet
or throw in the garage and buriedit underneath all the Christmas stuff like that
doesn't mean I'm good now like alldone. No, it's like, oh,

(34:51):
so if there's levels, and thatmeans I should have levels of stuff.
So probably like the stuff in mypockets, my backpack, a truck,
the bag that I'm gonna put inmy truck, the ranch out in
Wisconsin that I have, you know, like just I'm making it up,
but you know what I mean?Well, right, just it's like it's

(35:12):
just your concentric circles of preparedness.So how many how many circles do you
guys have? That's that's a greatway of putting it. Is a question.
Is there is there any other partto this? Like how much money
do you have in your pack?No? No, no, we're not
talking about that. So anyway,so wes, how would people support us
if they love this so much?That like John from Red Earth Concealment where

(35:36):
he keeps on looking at night Visionand ship, I'm gonna at you,
John, Yeah, email me.He's like, I gotta stop listening.
It was he was joking, I'mlooking at night Vision all week. I
mean, yeah, guys supporting peoplethat support us Red Earth Concealment, that
always makes us happy. You supportour fellow fans. But if you want
to suppor us directly, could spareeffect tip chart Gmail dot com or sign

(35:59):
up on Aftermath. Tell him thatafter that media so out there, tell
him that you came because of unsuppressedgive us that credit. And we're working
on other ways. We're working ongetting merch up. I'm, you know,
kind of walking through the maze toget that that going. Uh.
It takes a few things, butwe're going to attach ourselves to the ground
zero merch stores the way we can. Uh, that's my it's actually trying.

(36:24):
West is trying to get merch andhe's texting us and he's just bashing
his head because we're not responding.Yeah, that was what's happening. It
was very frustrated. I kind ofmentioned in the next episode, like so
professionalism if we could all be onthe same trying just like I can't make
his money march merch. I'm like, this is different the hoodies and stuff

(36:50):
we give. We give more ofour stuff away than we sell when it
comes to the soft goods side.When it comes to clothing, shirts,
hats and things like that. Samehere. Yeah, yeah, so this
is this is through a print company, and I guess they sell it directly,
so when you put order through oursite, they fulfill it so it's
easier, less them a profit.That's cool. Yeah, that's cool.
Why would you send us one yet? Avery, I thought you loved us.

(37:13):
No, I'm waiting to give themto you A T shirts and so
we can wear them. We canwear them all we do the podcast.
We can look cool and you know, maybe if we get to shot show
or something like that, we canhave some on us and give them out
to fanis. Man, you're neversupposed to wear your own swag, bro,
You hand that shit out of everybodyelse, so they're wearing your shit.
That's the move. Run into somesome YouTubers or something like that and

(37:34):
be like, hey, yo,yeah for sure making it so. If
you can't support us monetarily, dous a favorite, don't write in caps,
or you like share, subscribe onour YouTube channel as well. Allow
things to build. You have ahyperlink to an episode you like, can
blast that that thing out there.So if you tell two of your friends
that actually have other friends, thenmaybe they'll tell half of one of their

(37:54):
friends and they might actually check atlisten to what we're talking about. Yeah,
years to support us. West needsto be paid. Yes, it's
a thing for Wes because this isnot about us, This is about Wes.
This is about the work exactly exactly. Well, thank you guys,
awesome, and thank you out therefor watching the show and sharing and engaging

(38:15):
with us in the comments. Reallyappreciate you guys who are supporting us and
joining the audience. So spread theword and remember when it comes to your
right, so whether it be theFirst Amendment, Second Amendment, or all
of the others, make sure youstay unsuppressed. We'll see you next week.