UN/SUPPRESSED EP 013 "What Do You Really Need to Carry?"

Avery asks what do we really need to bring with us as a part of our EDC.

Episode Transcript

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Hey, I'm Wes. Welcome toUnsuppressed. Got a great show for you
guys here today. Getting right intoit, we're gonna talk about whether or
not you should have medical supplies onyour kit for every day carry and what
those supplies would be used for.So, Avery, I know you shared
with us last week about what youwould pack in two different types of medical

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kits. You got the block hitand the Boo Boo kit as we call
it. What are some benefits ofhaving something like that on you at all
times? Well, So for myEDC bag, my backpack that I carry
carries my laptop and some snacks,you know, just basic stuff like that,
I have a Booboo Kit in there. But I've been kicking around the
idea lately of adding more trauma relatedstuff. So the IFAC and like an

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IPAC, right, and the individualfirst ay kit usually consists of a Tourniquit
usually has some tape in it,compression compression bread bandage yeah Israeli bandage or
compression compression bandage, gauze, thingslike that to be able to plug some
bleeding. Sometimes as a fair andage old geo airway which is a tube

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that goes down your nose and allowsyou to breathe if your head's in a
weird position, and then some glovestypically is what's in there. So I've
been kicking around the idea I'm planningit. Actually I'm not planning. I'm
leaving on Tuesday to go to Spainfor a while, and so I was
thinking, like, should I carrythis type of stuff over there? And
I started laying it out trying tofigure out how I carry it. I'm

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trying to go extremely low viz.I don't have any tactical stuff at all
that's visible. Even my backpack thatI'm going to be using for work is
completely civilian. I have a coverthat's going to go over it that will
camouflage it, but everything about itis Everything that I have visible is extremely
civilian looking. So I was like, well, where would you put a

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tournique? It have to go insidethe bag, things like that, And
so I guess the question is isit worth bringing trauma related medical items when
for your DC? Who's with you? Are you? I mean where you're

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going? I mean yeah, youknow, like I guess if we're talking
about having to use it and sayI'm all or something, sure, is
he gonna help the guy and Ijust shot other people. Maybe I don't
know, you know, if I'mwith somebody like you know, the guys
on here. Yeah, admittedly I'mprobably not gonna worry about gloves fuck it,

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but some random schmuck. I don'teven know if the situation will pendent.
I guess I would say it dependsalso in the modularity of your EDC
and how you carry it, howyou're set up, Like if you're working
it with the bag, because typicallyI have a flat pack that's just really
sterile, but I have stuff insideof it. But it's something that goes
in the vehicle. It comes withme occasionally outside of the car, right

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Like if I'm walking in the gym, it's with me because it has my
you know, my workout clothes.But and then it has my you know,
all it has all the associated parts, the same you know, a
tourniquit, a you know, combatgauze. You know, there is some
booboo kit stuff. There's all thoseitems in there are things that you've trained
me up on in the past,but the you know, you know,
those things that you should have withyou in the event something goes wrong.

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But my goal is not so muchin the event of me of something going
wrong, me working on somebody else, unless it's somebody who is in my
matrix, in my close matrix.It's more like for me, if I
got shot and I have to gograb it, I'm usually not very far
from those tools, right, Butif it's a situation that I'm going to

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dinner, the chances to me likestuffing my hands, you know, stuffing
my pants full of shit in orderto make that happen, other than just
having a handgun on or something likethat. I mean, you're and you're
also you gauge it. It's ait's a threat assessment. If you're in
a high likelihood area where something couldgo wrong, maybe not be a bad
idea to have those things. Ifyou're in a very low threat, you

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know, threat level, you canprobably scale that a little bit more.
That would be my perspective. Yeah, I mean, those are all great
considerations to put into it. Iwas also trying to figure out like how
to carry it, and there's reallyno like integratable items out there, you
know. I've seen some stuff fromlike Dark Angel. It's kind of low
viz type stuff. But unless you'reputting it on your belt or putting it

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in a bag or something like that. Like it's really hard to just have
something on you, I know,like the RAT tourniquet that was designed to
be able to like tuck it throughyour belt loops or something like that and
then you'd have it. I've heardnothing but bad reviews story Rat. Yeah,
on the RAT tourniquet. So thenI was thinking about, like swat
tea might be useful for stopping youknow, not not maybe maybe not like

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severe bleeding, but you know,putting some pressure on a wound that would
help. So and that packs downreally small. It's just a giant rubber
band basically, and you can justwrap it around the wound. Well,
since you're going to Spain and whatsome freaking leader guy just got domed out
in public. So I mean,I guess things could be getting a little

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more heightened there, supposedly with someof the push pull what's politically, So
that is something I would I wouldevaluate some of the safety concerns. I
mean, I know you can't doany like you know, you're not going
to be carrying a gun, butI mean other than that, I mean,
I don't know if you could canyou carry a knife there, I
don't. I don't know what therules are in Spain. We'll find out.
Oh see, it's like maybe anice pair of chopsticks, you know,

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I mean something. Stainless steel strawsare really cool. Yeah, you
had to make a fountain out ofsomebody. Stainles steel straw is perfect.
But no, I mean from personalexperience having where I tend to work at
night, there there are some I'vehad multiple incident incidents that could have resulted
in defending myself in terms of withwhether it be hand to hand or primitive

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weapon or you know, firearm,that those things are there. So I
do tend to carry stuff in thevehicle with me in the event that something
goes wrong because you know, II'd hate the thought of bleeding out if
I had to zap somebody and Igot cut the fact that I'm gonna die
because after the fact, so Iget to think about it, that would
really suck. So there's a reasoninggreat e tournique you know, those type
of things. But I also don'tI've noticed this, like after I've gotten

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back into doing chl stuff and you'reconstantly carrying because it's just you know,
just by virtue, you feel fuckingnaked if you don't have a gun on.
That is the that is the weirdthing about it. It's like,
well, that's just part of me. It's just part of what I do.
And I am. I don't knowif if you all feel the same
way, but I am. Ihave problems in large crowds. I don't
like to be about a bunch ofpeople, right, because that's just always

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it's always if you're not armed,let's put it that way. It's it's
it's a lot more frustrating because youdon't know what you know, what somebody's
going to do in a crowd.So that's just that's just me. But
what about you, pat What doyou carry? What do you I mean
when you lead typically the house,other than your keys and your pistol,
I mean, what else you got? Going back to the large crowds,
Yeah, I large crowds, theunpredictability and the randomness. I don't care

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for it. I love people somuch. That's why I moved out in
the middle of nowhere, three statesaway. Portland's wonderful. What do you
mean? I mean, Avery's theclosest and he's still four hours away,
So two and a half he's twoand a half hours away. It depends
upon what the vibe is of thecrowd. If I'm out of a like
a yeah, some type of athing, I feel comfortable with the large

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crowd. Yeah, I don't likebeing not anyone likes being crammed in,
but I'm comfortable that. Now.If I'm out into a large crowd of
people and there's a protest going on, or there's a protest nearby, then
I'm a little bit more like.That's when you also have to evaluate situation
awareness, doing all the things youneed to determine your your defense matrix.
Why am I even here? Imean, am I am I lucky?

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Lewin? Am I actually asking forthe problem? Or am I just situationally?
This is just where I've landed atthis given moment, And how am
I deciding how to get away fromthat problem? I think there's a big
Okay. The difference in fantasy andreality. Reality is you can find yourself
in a bad situation. The peoplewho are looking for the problem, like
who are looking around always looking forshit? Those people it's almost like that

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movie Roadhouse. It's not the peoplelooking for trouble. It's the people waiting
for trouble to happen, and they'rewaiting for something to jump off. So
that's why, like in the riotsand the protests, there are people who
are just waiting for something stupid tostart so they can do their thing.
So if you're putting yourself in aposition to be near that's that's a mistake
unless you literally want to have thatproblem. And I couldn't imagine that's the

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best best matrix for you is interms of, like, you know,
in our political climate, and youknow what your lodging is going to look
like that evening with the bracelets on. So I don't I would suggest that
you know, you don't want topursue, you know, poking somebody or
shooting somebody unless you absolutely had to, unless you had an ironclad reason,
or you are you know, youwearing an Antiva shirt. I don't know.

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I don't have a good answer forthat part. You know, it's
not it's not that you know,I'm not going to not do what I
want to go do on public youknow, going to mall, I mean
shit like that. I don't thatdoesn't bother me. It's yeah, going
to random crowds or you know,park parties or ship you know, I'm
I'm fucking doing that. It's justnot my thing. Community. Yeah,

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yeah, and if even in smallcommunities, you know, when they have
like the Christmas tree lighting, saylike Beaverden, it's dark, it's just
Christmas lights. Everybody's there. Nah, I don't, it's not my thing.
I just say, son of abitch. You know what, here's
the problem. I have to godo that. I literally have to go
do that for a business thing.Yeah, there's there where they have in

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the middle of part Then that's abig deal. Every Black Friday do it.
And that was the target of usa terrorist attack. That was the
target of a terrorist attack back intwenty ten. Well, they tried to
talk the guy into it. Allright, let's be it is Raeli tourniquet,
avery wor'st the Hamster tourniquet. Actually, so they actually did. They
actually did change the name from theIsraeli tourniquet. When when I was in

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battalion, we called it Israeli.Shortly after I got out, they sorted
calling the combat they're not tournique abandage, the Israeli bandage. They changed
it to combat bandage. So Bill, you asked what do I carry when
I go out? So it doesn'treally, it doesn't really. Thanks for

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that text, Bill. It doesn'treally changed too much from summer to winter
out here. I'll carry a blockforty three. The summer, I'll just
carry a little mag with an extendedpinky on it. I'll carry a knife,
wallet, keys, and something Istarted doing a couple of years ago,

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like I'll put my wallet in myleft pocket, and I usually would
put it in my right pocket,but I ended up lipping up my shirt
to grab my wallet and all that, and it's like, oh, there's
a fucking holster there. So littlethings like that. If we're like going
out, say if I was goingout right now, i'd put a little
stream light light. This isn't thelittle one, but something like this and

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that. I mean, there's anI FAC in my truck. But other
than that, when I go outand it's with the wife, my concerns
at that point, other than heror secondary, it's to get her the
safety and we're leaving. I'm notgoing to go back in and the gage
a fight. I'm not doing that. I always found the m sixty seven

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grenade to be an extremely you know, preferential tool. You want this,
you want this, I'll kill everybody, so you know, I mean the
and in the winner, I'll dothe I'll do the extended mag on a
forty three with a t l Rsix. And this is a phenomenal little
gun to carry. I love it. It shoots fantastic. I've got a

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full round extension on it, soit holds eleven rounds eleven plus one.
Other than that, I mean,and realistically out here more than likely not
going to count anything. I'll probablyencounter more animals than I will. But
if I've only got that, I'mprobably fucking dead anyway. So because it's

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all cats and bears and so let'sbe honest. You're getting shot at three
hundred plus yards in Montana, youknow there's yeah, something meaningfully shooting you
at that point. You're in themiddle of nowhere. I mean, if
it's cold, cold out, I'mwearing a heavy jacket depending maybe I'll carry
the nineteen, but I really haven't. I haven't really carried that for a

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long time. I like the waythe forty three rides, and half the
time I forget I have it on, like I don't feel it. It's
nice. So remember when a nineteam was considered a compact pistol. Yeah,
yeah, exactly. I mean it'syou know, I mean I carry
in nineteen. It's kind of fiftyto fifty. It depends on what I'm
doing well, And for this thereason I brought this back was, I'm

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I'm going to be traveling more stateside, and so I'm going to be I've
got five to eleven. Used tomake this little hair it was it looked
like a little shield and you couldput a gun in it, two bags
in front, and it doesn't looklike a gun case or anything, and
it's a soft thing. I couldliterally just throw it on a in my
bag or something and drive with itand forget it was there. So,

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you know, especially with the waythings are kind of going in the world,
it was like, I see elevenrounds versus uh, twenty one.
Yeah, I think I'll do thatone. So I've been trying to figure
out a way to establish a flamethrower. That's one of the things I've been
really looking for because you know what, there's no uh, there's you know,
yeah, yeah, the the Juliebottle you build body armour doesn't matter

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when you have a flamethrower exactly orsix point is it? Was it six
point eight SBC will overcome a lotof body armor depending on what's whatever the
bullet is. So like the newsig, Yeah, so six point if
you really want to get into that, well not really, but we could
talk about it. We wes whatdo you carry every day? Uh?
The six hour, P three sixtyfive X, Macro, the Bible and

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yeah, right over my heart exactly. So I have a question about that.
Wasn't there like a an issue withthe sig that they just came out.
They were saying something wrong with thetrigger, like it had a if
you have a manual safety I puton it and then you try to put
it into a light bearing holster.They were going off the light bearing holsters
were activating the trigger and just likethat, I love my glock bamp.

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Well I don't. I don't haveit with a manual safety, and I
don't I don't have a light bearingholster. I don't care. Yes,
there was some of the P threetwenties they were having issues with, like
in D's for some other type ofinterest. Beginning it was when you come
down to it's it's if you tryto add shit on it. The handgun
does in need? They were havingproblems. Okay, so back to topic.

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Question is what's the consensus. Doyou guys carry stuff? You guys
carry anything specific? What's the minimumthat you carry that you typically carry?
The minimum from what I've what I'veput it well for medical specifically, what
I've come up with is a tourniquecombat guys and gloves paaradown about nothing where
it's absolute basics. Well, youknow some people will do like em T

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shirts and stuff like that, LikeI got a knife. Why would I
need to do it? When whenI treated the lieutenant that got hit by
a car, I cut a sleeveoff with my brand new sog knife.
Why you why did you hit thelieutenant with the car? For was an
asshole? He's a lieutenant? Uhyeah, you know when you got loss
of water to do a freeway.But you know when we kind of got

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on when we got to him andwe started doing our treatment of him,
like his uniform had to come off, so we just cut it off with
a knife pretty easy. How injuredwas he? Oh he's pretty fucked.
Yeah he yeah, glass in hiseyes, difficulty breathing, he was unconscious,
broken, broke, both legs werebroken, had like an arterial blead

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in his left leg, like rightwhere his calf was, and then his
right arm looked like somebody took acleaver and like chopped a bunch of it.
And so when I cut the sleeveopen, it exposed all that,
but there's no blood at all,and his shoulder was broken, so his
arm it sucked up into his shoulder. So I had to apply traction to
that team to get blood flow andstuff like that. So, yes,

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good time. So so you knowthe reason I'm asking that is because this
is the point, that's the mostimportant point about what you're carrying. Do
you know how to fucking use it? Well, He's like, the point
what I'm saying is is that ifyou don't have a capability with the tools.
I mean, you can buy shit, Yeah, you can buy tons
of cool stuff, but if youdon't know how to use it, then

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when things you don't want to figureit out at the time you're like I've
never seen this before, or Idon't you know, I don't really know
how to use it. That youdo need to have some level of familiarity.
And I'm not saying you have togo to you know, ABC,
you know, your instruction course.I'm not saying that, but because there
are tons of reasons it's I mean, it's why not. What you do
is you develop a community and thenyou that community becomes interdependent because people bring

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specific skill sets to the table,and then you would create your own level
of you know, capability through thatprocess. It's the same thing that we
did. It's like, you know, I learned you know, I went
to different classes, and everybody's gonethrough different schools, but you always bring
that and share that information and itmakes everybody smarter. It creates a more
depth of field because let's be honest, if you train with somebody all the

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time, who are you going torely on more somebody who you've trained with
it all or somebody you have trainedwith. That's I think that's one of
the foundations of why when people talkabout, hey, if you've been in
the military, they there's an expectationlike, oh, this guy understands how
to do something tactical. There's likesome level of basic understanding and what's supposed
to happen. It's the same ideaif you're if it just you just remove

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them military part, just say community, have you worked with these people?
Do you understand what the personal ormental capabilities are? Because there's some retarded
ass people that are running around inthe world that make bad decisions, that
may have had training, and youhave to distill those people away from being
around you, because I've met peoplethat were absolutely on paper should be squared
away one hundred percent. They shouldbe able to provide tons of information,

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but they could also be one ofthe worst choice makers you could possibly have
too. So and then you knowyou have to establish which would be in
the next segment about actually how todevelop a training curriculum to make you more
capable. Yeah, so go let'spause there. We'll come back here after
the break. We'll get into whatBill was talking about there. But in

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the meantime, you're watching Unsuppressed andwe'll bring it back. Come back to
Unsuppressed. I'm less And now we'regoing to transition into application and what you're

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going to need these toolkits for.So continue with the topic here on having
that first aid kit and how we'regoing to apply that and use that and
you know, how we train onhow to use that because if you don't
know how to use it, it'suseless. As we had said right before
we left. So Bill, Ithink you had a couple of things that
you wanted to actually the bullet pointsfor us here. Well, Actually the

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intent is is that prior to thekickoff with this episode that Avery and we
were all talking about it, andAvery has really a great matrix that he
uses for establishing personal capabilities in orderto determine how good of a soldier you
are. Is that the best wayto put it. So it's universal that
it applies to anything that you wantto do. Since I came up with

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since I thought of this right twentyyears ago, shortly after I got out
of active duty and I started realizingthat the National Guard wasn't going to keep
me proficient at any of the skills. I had to figure out how I
was going to keep myself proficient andwhat direction I even wanted to go in.
So, you know, you havelimited resources, you have limited time,
and so I couldn't just train oneverything all the time and be proficient

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at everything, and so I hadto figure out what I was going to
spend my money on for training AMMOor what facilities or training tools things like
that. What time I was goingto allocate to what? So I tried
to devise a way of doing this, and what I came up with was
this system of self assessment that canalways be refined and always be improved upon,

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Like you could always be improved upon. So basically what you do is
you say, all right, Iwant to be good at shooting. Okay,
this is just an example. Youcan insert anything in here. You
can say it's pt you can sayit's calms, you can say it's medical,
you can say it's situational awareness.Anything at all you can apply this
to that. Okay, So atthe top of the page, let's say

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you have a piece of pay oryou right shooting up there? Well,
what makes up shooting? So giveme some examples of what makes up shooting.
It can be anything. It canliterally be anything you can think of,
right, So marksman ships one,so right on, you're right on
there from the center up marksmanship.Okay, give me one. Manipulation of
the firearm actually like mag changes andship actual use of the weapon. How

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does it work? Your manual ofarms? Basically, yeah, yeah,
so we're going to put that onthat one, wes, what do you
got? You got something now,I'd say foot placement and if it's a
handgun, muscle memory, like howto manipulate the trigger the right way so
you're not you're not shooting. Fingerplaceleft, finger placement. So let's say

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fundamentals, fundamentals. Yeah, okay, So then we'll put fundamentals over here,
build you from your holster without shooting. So we'll put drying over there.
Okay, okay, So now you'vegot like four or five right,
you could do it forever. Youcould do a hundred of them inside this
circle you want to right, Thenwhat you do yeah, yeah, And
then what you do is you gradeyourself your yourself from a one to ten.

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And this is all self assessment.You're assuming, you're assuming you know
where you're at, if you're beinghonest with yourself, and even if you're
not, this still catches you.So we'll get there. Then you grade
yourself. You say, well,fundamentals, I'm a boor let's say,
and master of arms or whatever onthe six you know so and so on
and so on. You give yourselfthese numbers and then you draw a circle.

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And the idea is that in orderto be a good shooter, you
have to have well roundedness of allthese things, which now you have a
star, right, it kind oflike is jagging some spots, and it
kind of makes sense in other spotswhere it's like rounded or ish. Right,
So then you say, oh,I'm actually weak in this one area.
Let's take that one area. We'regonna pluck it out. We're gonna
come over the next page. Andthen you're gonna blow that up. And

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so you say, okay, fundamentals, let's break fundamentals down. So then
what goes into fundamentals, Pat,what do you got give me something for
fundamental other than okay, how aboutfootwork? How about movement? You point,
so you put footwork, movement,repetition, just like yeah, repetition,
rifle, and you see what I'msaying. You do all this,
and then you grade yourself on thoseright, and then you can get pretty

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freaking out. You can even goexplode take one of those out, explode
that out, and then be like, okay, well now I'm talking about
holster draw, I'm talking about handplacement. I'm talking about my thumb placement.
And you can break that down onthere and be like one, two,
three, four, five, youknow, whatever you rate yourself as.
And then you're like, oh,this is where I really need to
focus because I've been neglecting that becauseI only watch t rex arm videos and

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I don't really work on my fundamentals. Right, So you do that and
you can see now you have thisbig long training plan that's exploded out,
so you can break that down intoa timeline. Say, well, every
Wednesday, I know I'm going togo to the range. This is what
I'm going to add into that trainingplan. I'm gonna find drills on Tuesday
night. Wednesday night, I goon the range Tuesday night, I'm gonna

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find drills on to rehearse the drillsor but look at the drills, save
them to a file. I'm gonnathen go to the range and I'm going
to execute those drills on the range. So using that principle and then that
that concept, that mental exercise,if you will, will help you get
a better understanding of where you're at. So you don't just walk out to
the range, dump you know,half a mag to a mag and be

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like, right, I think wegot it. Good job today. Let's
get out of here. Strink somebeers. I actually came up with the
name for this matrix. Are youready to go for it? The DNA
of Personal Readiness. I love it. Trademark, yeah exactly, because it's
literally you're breaking it down into eacheach, each matrix, and all of
a sudden, it looks like itbecomes like a chemistry, like it becomes

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an element Yeah, oh yeah,right, the elements of personal capability.
There you go, an elemental chartof personal capability. Bam, you heard
it here. Everybody avery came upwith it. I named it. That's
called marketing. I use that.Actually, do this when we start training
things. I would do this withmy guys. I would sit them down
and we would do this and belike, all right, PT, you

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can do the exact same thing withPT. You say, well, in
order to be in shape, asa quote unquote soldier, I don't know
what that means nowadays, but backin my day, it meant you had
to have physical fitness and capabilities.So you could say running, you could
say push up, sit ups,you know, squats, but break your
hip the basic training because you're aweak piece of shit. Don't break your
hip and basics, right yep,And then you can break that out then

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come up with Okay, well howdo I improve those things? Right?
So it works works across the board. You can to apply it to every
aspect. I'm done. I'll seeyou guys later. Yeah, yeah,
exactly, We're done now, yeahexactly. No, the I was thinking
about I went even to a higherlevel, like thinking about it in terms
of how to evaluate so and thenyou start crystallizing it out from there because

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I was thinking like, well,if you're looking in your personal if you
want to look at it at anoverview of your lifestyle instead of just being
a like I'm going to worry aboutshooting or I'm gonna wry, but those
are all those are all components ofthis matrix. I thought, okay,
well, if you have marksmanship,then you'd break out your shooting stuff and
everything that breaks off at that.Then you'd have medical what is my skill

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set there? And then you havefitness, what's my skill set there?
And then you have community. That'ssomething that a lot of people overlook.
That's something that we have always focusedon, like community is the basis for
interdependent support. So you're not gonnabe able to be the skill set of
everything, and that's where you cansay, hey, where are my strengths,
where do I bring to the tablefor a community? Why am I
an asset? And then you goon the other side. The absolute peak

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is because it kind of builds.This arc is tactical, IQ. Do
I understand the application of all thethings that are involved in this process?
And am I training regularly enough withpeople that I could be an asset if
I needed to be? Right?And that's like, man, and now
you've fucked me up because now everytime I think about it, now I'm
gonna start breaking down five more andfive more. Now it's going to make

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me a better shooter. It's goingto make me better fitness too, because
I'll start running. I hate running. I hate it. Well, it
doesn't matter too, like if youlying, if you're lying to yourself,
one to ten is subjective. Soif you sit there and like, well
I'm a nine on this, likeokay, well then you're still not a
ten. So you can go aheadand break that down and work on that.

(27:17):
And then as your proficiency increases,your your scale of you know,
just moves with your efficiency. Soit doesn't matter like, well I may
one to ten. Okay, Wellyou know, now I Yeah. There's
a great, a great metric thatthey say for racing, okay, and
they say the eighty percent. You'reeighty percent capability changes from every time you

(27:40):
do something. So what's your eightypercent capability at running? When you aren't
running, it's trash, but you'reeighty percent after a year of running is
completely different. So you always scale, So you're always going to maintain the
perspective of oh, I'm like afive at this because I know what what
I need to be and you startyou stop looking at what you're capable of

(28:00):
doing and look at what you're tryingto be capable of doing. So it's
like it's like the pump, right, you see yourself who you're going to
be, and then you see andthen then you're like, Okay, if
I keep doing this, is thatthat's who I will be? Awesome?
Yeah? Yeah? And also areyou getting around people that are making you
better? So it's another analogy whenit comes you're running, is that if
you are a say you're a runnerthat has moderate skill, and you race

(28:25):
the people who are beginners, you'realways going to win, but you're not
going to be better. But ifyou race against people who are better than
you. So I'll say someone likeBill will look up against Olympic athletes,
he's going to get his ass kicked, but in that run, his time
is going to be better than ifhe was just running against me, or
you know, someone who's not nearlyas good as a runner. So when
you're out there. So that's thething. I went to that train class

(28:47):
we did back in June, andit's probably the least experience shooter out on
the on the field. I didn'thave any safety violations, but I you
know I did. Your using foryour mo on Deloyd hands was a fucking
safety violation. Yeah. I know. There was a lot of peer pressure,
like why don't you just buy abigger gun? What the fuck are
you doing it? Because in myhands it looks like it looks smaller than
it really was. But I guessthe thing is that if I'm the least

(29:11):
experienced person, I got the mostvalue out of that weekend. All these
other guys I've always experience and they'relike, oh yeah, and all this
money they put into their guns.I'm I showed up. I probably learned
the most because I had the leastamount of experience. Because I wasn't doing
it as much. So if yougo to a training, don't take something
away for it, you're fucking doingsomething wrong. I don't care how experience
do you are. Take something fromit. Well, that's because I went

(29:33):
into it going like, well,I know the amount of times they go
to the range, it's not nearlyenough. I need to go more.
So going into it, I waslike, I'm just gonna keep it open
mind. I'm gonna listen and askquestions. I'm going to get feedback from
all the instructors because I want toget better and I'll walk out of that
better than I was walking in.I think it's a lot a lot of
people struggle with that. Yeah,show people in the gun community do struggle

(29:56):
with that where they think that theyknow everything and that's why frustrate things like
it went to their gun story yesterdayand I was having conversations with people and
there's always that know it all thatshows up at the store that wants to
like make statements the whole time inthere. I'm going, I don't want
to be that guy. Yeah,I just I'll ask questions if I don't
know something, and actually had agreat experience because I was polite and wasn't

(30:19):
a mister not it all smarty pants. I got to hold the sig spear
and a couple other really cool gunsbecause they're like, oh yeah, you're
cool. You can hold it andtouch it in four thousand. Okay,
okay, So is the sig spear? Is that? What is that?
Is that? Not I'm drawing?Is that it's the new that's the military
rifle? Is that the one that? Yeah? The two versions. Okay,

(30:44):
you have the spire lt which isyour five five six. They're in
a blackout some sixty by thirty nineanywhere from a sixteen inch to a nine
inch if you're a blackout. Soit's basically eleven inch short barrel. It's
pissed and driven. The stock isfolding. It's the sig whatever drives it.
Now. The spear is the newone, which is the XM seven

(31:07):
I think is what it's going tobe, the M seven. Now that's
in six point eight or SIG seventyseven. So these are all like one
eighty are they like AR one eightyplatforms, So there's no buffer two.
But it's all internal springs. LikeI said, it's all internal. It
can all full actually take the stockscompletely off because it's got a three rail
and ninety thirteen rail on the back, so you can actually put different shit

(31:27):
on the folding stock on it.Yeah, and it looked like an MCX
chambered in seven sixty two by fiftyone. Okay, like seven we're buying
that. They're never be seven isish standard issues what it's supposed to be.
We'll fucking see. You know,by the time the military would be

(31:48):
buying it to be like seventy onethousand dollars a copy or something, and
they're like, no, we're notbuying that. Sorry. Well, apparently
they're now having barrel issues where likethe old Bushmaster ACRS, if you take
the barrel and you pull up toone side, the point of impact stayed
shifted and you can you can't fuckingside them in. Now apparently, no,
that's a problem. So back towhat Avery was going to say,

(32:12):
Yeah, the likelihood of them adoptingthat is negative. Why. Yeah,
Well, the thing is is,if by the time they adopted and it
starts, the industry starts changing andcrickling down, I'll have died twice.
So I don't care. It's goingto be obsolete. Affect me. The
only thing I could see they couldchange a battlefield rifle option is where the

(32:35):
battle is being fought. That's that'sthe only and that would be barreling outer
space. Yeah, yeah, Imean it's like where it's going to be,
right, It's like because if they'rewaiting for wait for moon break or
laser guns man, well, Imean, well if they do have that,
they do have that ship on shipsnow they already they accidentally you know,
they oops. But yeah, no. The only thing that I find
each yeah, is that because fivesix Because isn't the modern battlefield the determined

(33:01):
The people who get to carry themost ammo and can carry the most ammo
and sustain the fight generally tend towin the war. So five to five
six sins to you know, bepretty light and easy to carry, lots
of it. And the only differenceis is that if you want to be
in urban environments, the gun getsshorter. You want to shoot a long
way, the gun gets longer.And we already have all the variants.
I don't see why they'd update tochange something. They've got kajillions of bags,

(33:22):
they got kajillions of rifles, Imean, and the machine needs to
be fed. Yeah, machine.The military industrial complex needs to justify all
the taxpayer dollars spending somehow, right, sure they do. They like they
have, like have thirty fives.Fine, that's how they justify. Now
that we have everything you could possiblyever need for the next fifty years,

(33:44):
what should we do. I know, it's update our primary assault rifles something.
Well, they try to get it, I mean yeah, and then
yeah, yeah, I mean Iget it. They're like, you know
what, we don't want to useregular bolt actions anymore. Build us a
brand new one and Barents like,here's a twenty thousand dollars both action rifle.
Here's the m rad Well, youknow, yeah, we have to

(34:07):
be honest with It's a sexy Itis a sexy rifle. I'd looked at
Miller Miller. Miller got to playwith one this week. He's gonna hopefully
shoot that next week, especially ifyou guys the Mark twenty two package.
It comes with all three chambers andbarrels and you can have Yeah, and
he's like, yeah, I getto go shoot the three thirty eight a
magnum. He's like, that'll befun, you know, at eight dollars

(34:28):
around it's okay. I think thecheapest I of seeing it four was like
six, Uncle Sam's paying for it. No one cares. That's that's now
now. Oddly enough, Avery,I will say this, I will never
discount the possibility of something happening,because, let's face it, ACU was
adopted. At a given point,anything's possible. But they adopted it knowing
they were again not adopted, likethis is an interim camouflage. Everybody's like

(34:52):
an interim what like, why wouldyou do that? That doesn't make any
sense? Oh, because you wantto waste a bunch of money because it
was it was don't the intent todo multi cam right to start with?
And there was a licensing issue?Is that what actually happened? I wanted
to get paid for their fucking ship, which I can get paid, I
wouldn't they Well, no, it'sOCP. It's not even different. It's

(35:13):
turned ninety degrees. You win,and the the color is off just enough
where it's like that that's not acopy. Fuck you. Yeah, But
then again, the the JPC twopoint zero is still isn't that one still
deployed? Isn't that still issued?That's still the one that's issued it's not

(35:34):
like cry is not getting mega paid. Well, I think there's a few
still that are being issued, dependingon who you're with, but yeah,
I mean they're getting paid. ButI mean, like I would imagine that
they wanted to be. Yeah,they designed it. I mean that's the
perkint designing shit in this country isyou're like, oh, I'm gonna get
paid for it when the military adoptsit, well you would think, I
mean, well, thank goodness thatthe XM eight, the xmmate wasn't adopted.

(35:59):
That was the ugly a space gunever breaker gun. Yeah, it's
fine. I was looking back onfuture weapons and he was talking about the
X and E and everyone was like, this really was the best rifle out
of the whole options that given.It was it's a cool gun, but
it looked, like you said,it looked like a space skin. It
made a very popular aerosoft gun becauseall the replicas of it, and because

(36:22):
it looked like a toy, andit made sense to be a toy.
But the real, the real firearmitself was just it looked really weird,
but it was. It was acool firearm. But the stuff not to
rain this all back in to thepoint of the discussion. But the funny
thing is that the manual arms andthe nomenclature and understanding how to operate an
AR or m DASH, whatever seriousfirearm is, it is literally a very

(36:49):
simple firearm to learn how to operate. There's a lot of stupid proofing and
you can it's easy to work oncompared to it. So, I mean,
why would you try to update tosomething that's foreseeably going to have more
problems or potentially growing pains when you'vealready worked all the kinks out. I
mean, that's just that would belike, hey, we're gonna do this
thing. Cool, We're gonna buya new rail for it and put new

(37:10):
barrels on it. Cool. Nowwe're gonna do that. That's fine,
and everything's still gonna work. Youdon't have to change your whole logistics train
with all the gear and all thepouches and all you know everything. That
would that would upend that because assoon as they started talking about six point
SBC, I'm like, they're notgoing to fucking buy that. And there's
too much there's too much money they'vegot deal. You know, they have
trillions for rounds ammunition. They're like, oh, we're gonna come up with

(37:35):
a whole new cartridge. Yes,I could totally understand Bottle of the Lake
City, MO. They got todo that now. Well, I mean
my thought is that within the scopeof that is, if if there is
a man, if within the scopeof training, if you have something that
is has generational knowledge and it's easyfor someone like within your scope of building

(37:58):
your own community, someone can say, hey, like you know, knowing
Avery, Yeah he was an armor, he did that kind of stuff.
Yeah, if you have a question, you can get an answer, no
problem. You know, it's notsomething you have to wonder about. It's
not like you're going to go pickup this new gadget and say, hey,
let's figure out how to make thisthing run, and all of a
sudden, let's find out if there'sgoing to be problems associated with it.
You know, you don't really wantI wouldn't want to go into a fight

(38:21):
in the in any theater having awell and a relatively untested system weapon system.
I mean it's I mean, littlethings like mags will make people not
want to use it. Let's takethe HK seven six two that yeah DMR
rifle that the army has the magsdo not fit some six to two mag
pouches and they're an hk oh yeah, you can't carry the fucking thing.

(38:45):
So I mean little things like that, I mean, why would you do
that? Well, I mean,I mean that's k. There are a
bunch of fucking self important dicks.But I don't really have a problem with
like when the when the Army islike, hey, we're going to swap
to a different pistol. Look,okay, you know that's trash. So

(39:07):
I mean, and they killed them, you know, they's like, well,
they ran them out, and thenthey picked something new up, all
right, great, and they ranwhat glock and glock was ran for quite
a while, like Block nineteen's wereused, and I think they still are
issued right for rangers and for specialservices, right yeah, I don't know
if I don't know if a rangerhas them, I know special for zone
okay and release. It's a pistolI can use, they can use.

(39:30):
So we're using now the seventeen orwhatever. Yeah, And I mean,
and I think it's but that butthat goes now that's here and nor there,
because that's not your primary weapon system. That's that's a secondary that's not
You're not going to be like rippingcaps all day, like, you know,
going to war with that. That'snot that's not the move. So
I don't know. I mean,i'd say I like the idea of the

(39:51):
training matrix, the way you're uh, the DNA concept, you're able to
break it down. I'm going tostart implementing that more. And that was
probably gonna look like that. Butwhat's that fucking movie momento or right?
Shit all over myself trying trying tofigure out exactly what's wrong with me.
So yeah, it's just and Ithink that I think that if anybody is

(40:12):
going to be honest about physical fitnessand capability, if they look at basic
military standards, they can probably geta pretty easy idea of what they should
be able to do in order tobe able to do stuff, you know,
because that's not like it's not superhard, it's just just capabilities,
just being able to do it.So do you guys have anything to add
before we pop smoke on this?Not upside is we should have a training

(40:37):
thing coming up soon. Uh,the haci end is still available, Pat,
just to let you know, sono, I'll come on, Pat.
That place is fun. Portland's fun. Just saying through myself ac in
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