March 11, 2024 • 30 mins
Bill asks whether marketing and community Hype are the driving factors in what equipment is cool in the 2A community.
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That's wow, it's it's not aboutracism, it's about marketism. Yeah,
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that's just out of the way now. As far as the topic tonight,
we kind of talked back back andforth about it, uh over the course
of the last several episodes when wewere talking about trauma kits and preparedness and
so Avery took it upon himself becauseit was kind of in itself a homework
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assignment that we want everybody to toprobably use and put into practice in their
life. But Avery came up witha trauma kit and he's going to provide
you some insight on just how smalland simple this could be can be and
how functional it can be and youdon't have to eat up a bunch of
space. So in my thoughts ofhow I was going to if I wanted
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to, and how I was goingto carry trauma stuff in an eat everyday
carry configuration, I came up withthis little guy. It's my little bundle
of joy. It's vacuum sealed,and then for extra protection, I had
some packaging wrap. It's basically saranwrap that I put around there. It's
pre cut, so all I haveto do is rip down and it'll open
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it up. And what's inside ofit is a tournique. There's a pair
of gloves on the side here,and then on the back end there are
two combat gauzes there, and thenon the very bottom there is a roll
of tape that I put around alittle piece of straw, So there's about
ten feet i'd guess of one hundredmile an hour tape or duct tape if
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you will. And then it's allpackaged up nice and neat, vacuum sealed
and ready to go. And Ipre prepped the tourniquet so that it was
easily deployable. You know, it'sreally horrific. As the fact that you
said there's four items in there,there's actually more because that's also a chess
seal because of the plastic. Yeah, I actually was thinking about that too.
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I was going to experiment with someDIOI chess seals, and so I'm
gonna work on that and see ifI can come up with the inexpensive chess
seal. We could do any chesssubjects down in Portland that's gonna say,
come down to Portland. We candefinitely find some people with holes in amount
of Columbia Boulevard. So yeah,no, it's a it's been pretty wild
down there. I went. Idrove back down Columbia and Lombard last night
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after we got done at ten o'clockup in Vancouver, and I was like,
man, it's even worse than itis when I'm working down here right
now. So yeah, it's gangster. I mean it was even rainy and
people were doing stupid stuff. Sothat being said, I think the idea
of maintaining the wrapper and so youcan have potentially a chess seal along with
a one hundred mile an hour tapeand if anybody is no, you can
do a quick and dirty to figureout with how to actually make that it
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just seek the proper instruction. We'renot going to tell you. So there's
that now. Because of liability.Now, now the other portion of this
discussion that we wanted to or becauseI spoke with that earlier last week with
Pat. I've had this conversation multipletimes with Avery, but for Wes this
would be highly educational because this willbe the first time I thinks he's had
this one. But how the howmarketing? And I would say, you
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know, conversely, the g Wattdid that that timeline of maybe the people
who are poliferiting in the two waymarket and teaching how marketing has impacted gear
use and how and what the availabilityof certain types of gear and like what.
Avery has a really interesting perspective aboutlife cycle? Can you you pick
it up from there? Man,Let's let's start that way. So in
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our prep to this, we weretalking and I believe that the industry.
Everything in the industry has a lifecycle. Some things have a longer life
cycle than others. Sure, butgenerally speaking, let's pick like reku kits
for example, right, Like,does everybody need a recy kit which is
like a long range of constance patrolsort of you're out there, you're doing
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reconnaissance on your your enemy and gatheringit so you can go back and come
up with this elaborate mission plan andallocate resources and brief your subordinate units and
then go out and conduct this raidor whatever. Definitely, not like nine
like one hundred percent of those peoplethat have recky kits will never use them
in a real world tactical environment.I'm just going to put that out there.
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Most people will build up their fire. It's a lot of fun,
right, hobbom and like to theextreme. It's like, you know,
a best will maybe be involved ina handgun defensive shooting against someone who's coming
after the knife, if that right. And so it's a it's a hobby
that people like to enjoy, andit's a it's a larp, it's a
fantasy. They're playing make believe andwhatnot. And so there's a life cycle
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to that. It's only going tolast for a certain period of time.
And the wrecky Kids is a veryshort life cycle. It's already faded out.
If you remember, Like being asniper or doing sniper type stuff was
one of them. Lock Picking islike the more recent one. Calms is
one of them. The big pushfor medical I mean was one of them.
And although all those things are importantin their own right, I believe
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there is a populous life cycle that'sassociated with it, and so it will
ebb and flow over a period oftime and fade. That's the same like
camouflage patterns. Everybody sat there andwas like, yeah, I'm stick and
tired of Woodland. I know thisbecause I heard people say it when we
were wearing woodland, like all thiswould never work in the desert environment.
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But yet here we are twenty fiveyears later and people are like, I
want woodland, so it's old asnew, right, Yeah, that's what.
It doesn't work in the desert,so we'll use ACU as one of
those little air softer punks back onnineteen in early twenty years. I mean,
I still play it today and thenas hardcore as I was back in
the day. Though, I usedto get so annoyed with Woodland because it
was like you'd set up a gaming'dlike, okay, Woodland on one side,
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every other pattern on the other side, and it'd always be way more
Woodland than anybody else. It'd beso frustrating because it was always the new
players that cheated and talked at it. Why you developed all the rules,
You developed games that didn't require specificcamoufage thing and you you just did it
as your own way. You setit up proper. But that aside.
But I think that also feeds intothe concept of marketing, right, because
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if you're saying let's okay with thereki kit. So Mike Jones Grantham,
he said, I need to doa reki kit, and he put this
thing together and coincidentally, like yousaid, he launches his reki kit like
gear that you can pick up offthe basis of this marketing material. Well,
let's go back, what fifteen yearssea clamp shooting, you know,
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sea clap holes on an ar andall that stuff were present. That was
something taught to you in the ninetieswhen you guys were when you were in
battalion. Right, that's what youdid. But here you go back,
you know, fifteen years later fromthat point, and then you have Magpole
Dynamics putting this thing together and itbecomes its own whole marketing material, and
it took off this whole craze ofrain shooting and doing all these cool It's
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like it's like people opened up ait's like a dojo. This is a
dojo with thought process, right,so everything that's marketing will Look what Magpool
did they already had cool mags theyhad well they didn't have the Magaze at
time. I don't think did theyhave Magpool Magaza thing yet? No,
they're doing the follow they're the notfollowers, but they're doing the magpool Yeah,
on the back of them, yeah, ranger ranger plates, yep,
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magpools, you know. And thenthey went to the polar and mag what
a couple of years later that waslike within that scope. And then they
had the A f G and theystarted launching all these different parts to support
the marketing material that it was beingused or developed by there by their instructors,
I guess. And then the marketingteam, what's going to work the
best, what's going to be costeffective? And then what I mean,
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I don't know how many people probablyhave, uh what pts was it?
Which which side is it? Themagpole like super cool guy? Uh,
flip up sites ones that actually aren'tship How many people have those? I
mean? Yeah? And why isthat? Because we've developed it through well
no, not those, that wasthe other ones. So so, but
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the fact of the matter is isthat marketing has brought those things to the
forefront. And then all of asudden you have this hume alligation. If
it was just instruction, there's alwaysbeen instruction and whatever discipline, there's always
been people like what Clint what's hisname, Clint Smith? From Thunder Ranch.
That's that is that his name.That dude was teaching people to He
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was teaching people his methodology well beforesocial media, right, and that that
those things have always been present.The difference is now is that I think
more people have come from a lotof different disciplines, maybe through the Global
War on Terror stuff, the GWATstuff. They've come into the market and
they're saying, hey, I'll providesome type of tactical kung fu and I'm
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gonna and I'm gonna make this alligationwith my gun system. Now, they
may not be able to shoot forshit compared to like somebody who's a professional
shooter, which is highly likely ifyou're a competition shooter, your only work.
It's like boxing versus MMA. Aboxer is a better boxer in boxing
than an MMA fighter is trying tobox. But if you're talking about doing
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the full scale combat, which wouldbe like military stuff, these guys coming
in saying, hey, you dothis this thing this way, and then
everybody talks their different ways. WhatGBRS group they came up with their super
high mounts and super cool videos withmusic behind it and all that shit.
That was the next like flow soI mean, we're always in that next
state. I'm just waiting for thenext eighteen year old kid to figure out
a way to play with the musicand all that stuff again, make a
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cooler video, and that will bethe next generation and the next generation.
But do you think we're running intoa situation where the theatric is more important
than the application? Have we gonepast? Are we at that point or
are we still? Actually the thingis all of it's important. You have
to have that life cycle in orderto create the revenue stream to encourage the
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people that innovate to do stuff.I mean, it's a pyramid and at
the very top you have people whoare innovating, and then everything else supports
it. So I think you haveto have it all, is it?
I mean, I wonder if it'sactually like you go here, you hit
an apex, then it comes thisway, then it becomes I copy you,
I copy you, and then itjust then it gets diluted, and
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then once again it goes, well, these people fell off and these guys
become innovative, then you come back. It's almost like it's a diamond all
the time. They just stack ontop of each other. But I'm just
curious where we're at in terms oflike the the gunning stuff, because you
can only reload a gun so manydifferent ways, you can only pick up
the sites so many ways. Itjust becomes about performance at a given point.
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But I think that tactics, Ithink are far more intriguing. It's
a far more intriguing environment because that'sthat's is it mission mission based? Because
everything changes? What in the inthe you know, in World War Two,
what was room clearing throwing a fuckinggrenade in the building or blowing it
up? And now yeah, andthen what happens in a near peer environment.
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We're not clearing that building, We'reblowing that building up or I mean,
I guess the g WAT there's plentyof stuff that showed, hey there's
insurgents in that building. What areyou gonna do? You're you gonna blow
it up and blow that shut upand we'll come check it out later.
I mean, that just seems tomake the most sense to me. But
now, in terms of gear andstuff, what do you think about the
shift where you know, there wasthat period of time where plate carriers like
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it went from like what was itlike the the IOTV and the cyrus and
all that stuff, and then itmoved to just straight plate carriers, and
then it started then it went tolike no, I went from lcee okay,
then it went to LBV and thenit went to racks and then it
went to iotvs and then yeah,and now we're going back to well,
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yeah, I think I mean,I think a lot of people are tired
of wearing plate carriers for no reason. They want to do something else,
and so they find well, whydon't I just make a belt system and
LSE load out and use that.You know when you when you were taking
a like oh my gosh, Ido skier. That's crazy, and like
but you're like, well, wejust went back in time. I literally
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saw it. So I throw myhat in the reins to try and design
something, and so I kind ofshowed you guys a prototype of what I've
been working on tonight. Actually,and there's some areas. So I wore
a LCE. They had two firstaid kits, two rifle magazine pouches,
two soft pouches, and two canteenpouches. And that was like the most
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universal loadout I had ever ever didand have seen since the capabilities were limitless
on that thing. So and Ithink that even nowadays you can do even
more with it. And so someof the things that I'm incorporating on this
belt that I'm putting together is prettycrazy. Like it's probably one of the
most versatile things I've made in along long time. So it'll be really
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cool. Now. Were talking likethree D in search to determine the mission
type and all that kind of thing. Well, if you like, we
have talked about like carrier where Ihave two saw pouches and then there's mission
specific loadouts for those saw pouches thatwill be incorporated in this as well.
And so one of the things I'mtrying to find a subject matter expert on
is a long range of twenty fivewatt radio system that would insert into one
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of those kits. Right, Sobasically you're taking a ham radio that would
mount inside of a saw pouch witha battery and then you'd have this extended
range radio. It's way better thansome boufang you know, five wat thing.
So that's an example, is it. Okay, So not to nerd
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out, but so like on CBS, right, you can have an amplifier,
you know, you can make ityou can, you can pop up
more wattage. You're talking about doingthe same thing just with on a smaller,
smaller No, I mean I think. I think if you're running a
bowfang at eight wat with this stupidantenna, or you're running this thing a
twenty five wat with you know,forty eight inch, you know, a
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breeze style full tactical quote unquote antenna, i think your range is going to
be a loticulous further. Yeah,So that is kind of what I've been
thinking about lately, trying to figureout. I'm a big fan of the
bow fangs. I think they workreally well. But I've okay, so
I have a question in terms ofsince we're talking about gear and the innovation
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of old and new, now witha belt system, do you have to
worry about integration with the backpack systemthe way they have the belt designs now
they're all so like in the olddays, most people, most regular army
guys were lsees where they warmed justabove their hips, so they sat on
their hip. We didn't wear themthat way and range of the time.
We war them up like you woulda chest rig, so it basically imagine
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a chest frig that wrapped all theway around your body. You know it's
right, you know, on yourYeah. Yeah, and so that's basically
the same idea that I'm going tobe incorporating here is doing something like that.
I have a dog wandering around,I'm trying to figure out what he's
trying to do. You're gonna findit later. Yeah, yeah, So
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I'm trying to figure that out.Incorporate that. But yeah, so what's
the consensus, Like, Okay,Pat, since you've you bought about every
laser site system under the sun,like anything that's ever been made, you've
owned one I think in general.Yeah, well right, so my thought
is is that influenced by technology becauseyou have kind of like a you have
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a you have a engineering type wayof looking at things, right, So,
what's how what's your take on that? How do you why did you
keep on updating equipment when you knewthat in the theoretically a Peck two would
have worked for what whatever you weredoing in general? It's funny you brought
that up because I was gonna gowith the Peck line of Peck series.
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Peck two is your big box.I mean that was in for red Pointer
illuminator and I worked works good.It's lightweight. The downside is the thing
is freaking huge, burn a holein the sun. We then do the
Pack four, which I think arevisible now they're smaller. I can't remember.
I don't remember the pack force Avery, Yeah, it was a single.
What was really cool about that isjust the laser, right, But
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it was a smaller profile and ithad a throw lever on it. It
kind of acted as its own pressurepad, and so you could if you
pushed out on it, it turnedit in permanent on mode, or if
you pushed in on it was temporaryon, and then if you just let
go, it was off. Andthat was really cool. I'm sorry,
go ahead, no, And thenthe next iterations were a Peck fifteens.
Peck fifteen's were a smaller unit visibleamy laser, so you don't need to
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go site it in at night orlow light or under nods. You can
sit in the pointer visibly. Andthen the end galls are basically a Peck
fifteen high powered in literally the profileof a credit card, so it's miniaturized.
And then you have say the B. E. Myers malls. Those
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are neat fucking thing weighs like twopounds. But it is nice having the
controls on the top and it sitsoff to the side. It's nice.
But is it worth the weight?No, I'd rather have less real estate.
But has a technology advanced? Sure, it's an IR laser and a
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lasers, man, I mean it'snot. I don't know if the technology
is necessarily advanced. Is the governmentregulation that's really stopped anything from happening?
Like, you can't you can onlyhave class one lasers? I mean,
okay, yeah, I got Iwas in Spain. I got hit in
the eye of the blue laser andI was like, nope. He was
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like, oh shit, lacing parttwo. I can't see besides people hurting
themselves with the stupid things. Youknow, I'm sure it's gotten more compact.
I'm sure that's an obviously, that'sa natural evolution. But yeah,
is it anything revolutionary? You know? I mean, guys are buying those
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Somo gear laser Peck fifteens because they'recheap and they're damn they're doing high power
wattage out of those fucking things.And they're legal. Okay, okay,
go ahead and ask what you weregonna ask first before I orient. I
was just gonna say, I haveone of those cheap little lasers. It
does both infrared invisible to human eye, and then standard just it's like a
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laser pointer and the infrared surprisingly lookingat it to the a pair of nods,
it's nice and bright like just likeall the high powers shed so you
hou necessarily you have to have thehigh power. It's just the high powered
stuff. Usually it's gonna come withbetter manufacturing. It's gonna last longer,
it's not gonna fall apart on you. It's gonna hold zero. I would
like to orient into that and saythis. I think in general, lasers
and all that kind of stuff wargaming. Wargaming is probably the culprit for more
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of a chance of injury, becausechances are if you were using it in
its application, I wouldn't care ifit was a fucking ten megawatt laser.
I'm pointing at it, lighten youup, intending to put steel at you.
I'm not worried about burning your eye. I'm worried about putting holes in
you. Right, do that too? Well? Yeah, you know,
I mean that's but I mean,like, what was the Okay, I
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know I've seen it like at atraining thing at a given point, there
was like it looks like a flashlight, but it's a laser glare glare too.
Is that what it is? Aglid? Is it a glit or
a glare? It's like it lookslike you have two versions, okay,
because glare. That's right. Thereare two versions. One that's made for
handheld and the glare is one thatthey put on rifles for roadblocks and shit.
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Okay, so yeah, I meanI I had seen one at a
training opportunity and it was I meanit was something that you would literally be
able to, like, you know, burn a hole in an airplane.
I mean it was like there wasridiculous amounts of power, but that was
at like two hundred yards. Thedot is like this, it's made to
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garner attention. Like I think,Avery, I think we played with an
islid one type that's a fucking lightsaberLike write a dick on the moon,
that's what. Yeah. So okay, so focus as a focus on the
front of the thing, and asa button that says fire like yeah,
yeah, how is that? Oneof the beams are purple and it's a
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really red button too that says fuckingfire. But you can. You can
go on Amazon. You can getwhat it looks like a flashlight. It
shoots out a purple beam. Youhave to wear a special pair of glasses
when you use it because it willbounce off of the paint on your walls
and it will burn your eyes thesecond it touches them. So it will.
That's what people do with lasers ontheir rifles. They forget that they're
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on high power, on high power, and that reflection off like a truck
and now your eyes are fucked.It just burns them. Yeah. Interesting,
So back to the back to thecontent of the show. Now,
as far as the question about gear, then where do you think? Okay,
I'll let you prognosticate, because sinceyour industry, what do you think
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the next pooh is going to be? What do you think? Oh,
man, if I knew that,you'd be a millionaire? Right? So,
well, so what's what's the trendright now? We're going back to
the nineties with rack systems. That'slike, that's the current deal. Belts
belts okay, Now it's belts okay. So now we've now business, so
everybody can you could run lighter andbe faster but you know what I think
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the concept is is instead of carryingstuff on your back, like having an
assault pack or something like that,the idea is that you put it around
your waist and so you're able tocarry your day's load out with you know,
operational stuff and be able to doit. The problem I see is
like you see these different loadout videoswhere people, you know, break it
down and talk about what they have. None of them have any modern capabilities.
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So they don't have a spot fortheir drone, they don't have a
spot for high end you know,mesh network devices, they don't have yeah,
any of those things. They gotfifteen mags. Yeah, Yeah,
that's kind of what we were talkingabout earlier. It is like, well,
on the other end of the marketingwhere people are like trying to have
a life cycle to their content andthey're trying to move to the next thing.
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The opposite end of that spectrum isthe g WAT guy who's like you
have to have fifteen mags or whyare you even going to the fight or
whatever, right, whatever ridiculous argumentthat they're trying to make. And I
think I held toyota, yeah,because I got a mount of two forty
in the back of my jeep runninga protest for Antifa in Portland. Okay,
Ranger Kerr, I've got a question, all right, all right,
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So when you were in battalion,when you were training, training, not
the idea was you could live outof your backpack and then your operational gear
was on your body. So thatwhere that transitioned away from what happened in
the GWAT, where they had asmall assault pack and they didn't have to
worry about sleeping out with their headin the mud day. Right, that's
kind of a well, the breakoutI usually do is like you can live
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off your kit for one day.You can live off your backpack for up
to three days, not three days, but up to three days, depending
on the environment and whatever resources youcan also you know get and then your
rock. You can live out ofthat for almost a week, Okay.
And that's without replemishing, without resourcing. Right. So, like we got
to a point where we were justrunning for like forty eight hour ops or
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whatever. We were just running cliffbars in our racks. So the rack
has this little map pocket and wejust line that with cliff bars or protein
you know, power bars or whateverthey were at the trail mix whatever it
is you could use to make it, and as you're walking you just pull
a power bar out and eat it, drink you know, a lead of
water or quart of water or whatever, and be good to go. And
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you could live off like your chestrig alone. You could live easily a
day off of that, two daysoff of that. Okay, So before
we have a couple of minutes left, so well, I'm going to say
this. I have a question becausethis is one of those interesting perspective things,
because I have a very clear ideabecause I understand that what's happened in
the market, But how do youthink the millsim market. The people who
are enjoying a hobby have helped orientand made more items more available because they're
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being purchased more of a civilian push. Because that's it. I know,
that's a huge that's a huge demographic. Not just people who are doing range
theatrics. I mean they're actually goingout and doing stuff now and then can
you speak to the importance or thevalue of people who are going out doing
like a forty hour deal. They'regoing out for a weekend or a several
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days and living out of their gear. What's the importance to that. So
somebody who doesn't quite understand, Okay, So the first point is I tell
people when they laugh at arisofts,I say, well, there's more jpcs
in private ownership than they are currentlybeing used in the US military at this
time. So if you're going tosit there and say, well, that's
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a dumb market to try and marketto and you'd rather get government contracts of
people that are you know already gettingjpc's, well you're fighting a losing battle.
You're not gonna win that one.So I believe that there's way more
money for normal tactical industry companies inthe civilian sector right now than there is
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in the military sector unless you're you'vegot big contracts that you know you're going
to be able to maintain. Andso I try to push companies to the
to the airsoft or the two waycommunity. And what we were talking about
earlier is like that that generates revenuestream so that you can innovate and create
new things. As technologies evolve andmissions change, new gear is needed.
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And so that's why it's important tohave, like we talked earlier, the
little triangle. There's all this moneydown here, and it funnels up to
the innovation at the very top ofit, and then that trickles back down
to the user. So that's veryimportant. And what was the second question?
Why? What's what's the value ingoing out and running in your kit
and that type of environment under astress team environment, you know, you
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know, yeah, obviously no lifeand death, but you know, I
think there's training and everything, right, and it's just whether or not you
want to extraculate that training value outof whatever it is you're doing. Yeah,
you can develop train scars, butalso just going to the range and
just shooting at paper targets in astatic environment can be valuable. So it's
up to you to identify what trainingvalue you're getting out of each training iteration
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that you're doing. And so ifyou're going to a forty hour millsim event
and you're like, well, there'sno training value in this because I have
a BB gun in my hand,well then you're missing out because the simple
fact of packing your ruck and makingsure you have the right stuff, doing
a weather assessment to know like whatdo I need a heavy dew sleeping bag
or is it will be going tobe good enough is it going to be
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raining? Do I need a bibysack? Do I need to have a
tarp? Do I need to havegortex? Like all these different things,
and then understanding like what your bodydoes under that load. So if you
have a forty pound ruck, howfar can you go? How much wire
do you consume? How much fooddo you consume? Is there a morale
issue that you have on a fortyhour event where you get depressed because you
don't have your your Starbucks? Youknow, all these different things that factor
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into being able to accomplish a mission. You can take away from a forty
hour milstim event or even an eighthour mealstim event just depends on what you're
trying to get out of it.Your kit, where your kit, how
your kit interacts with your ruck,the fact that if you shoulder your rifle,
you hit your PTT and that causesyour colms to go down. You
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know, just all sorts of thingslike that are are very valuable to experience,
experience when you're doing an event.Well, and closing on that because
I couldn't have said that any bettermyself, I fully concur now. But
now with that mind, you concurin terms of we talked about a few
weeks ago. I think we needto talk about homework, and the homework
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is going to be the chemistry ofyour better self and your capabilities. Everybody
needs to bust out and start usingthe chemistry concept of what Avery with his
matrix of being better at something.You draw yourself. You talk about your
fitness to start exploding everything out andstart determining where you're weak. If you
want to talk about the tactical sense, start there. That's just fine,
But be honest with yourself. AndI'd like to see some feedback on our
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Hey, am Less, welcome toUnsuppressed and we have a great show for
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why would we want to have anybodyelse runs a suppressor. So anyway,
that's just out of the way now. As far as the topic tonight,
we kind of talked back back andforth about it, uh over the course
of the last several episodes when wewere talking about trauma kits and preparedness and
so Avery took it upon himself becauseit was kind of in itself a homework
(01:34):
assignment that we want everybody to toprobably use and put into practice in their
life. But Avery came up witha trauma kit and he's going to provide
you some insight on just how smalland simple this could be can be and
how functional it can be and youdon't have to eat up a bunch of
space. So in my thoughts ofhow I was going to if I wanted
(01:55):
to, and how I was goingto carry trauma stuff in an eat everyday
carry configuration, I came up withthis little guy. It's my little bundle
of joy. It's vacuum sealed,and then for extra protection, I had
some packaging wrap. It's basically saranwrap that I put around there. It's
pre cut, so all I haveto do is rip down and it'll open
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it up. And what's inside ofit is a tournique. There's a pair
of gloves on the side here,and then on the back end there are
two combat gauzes there, and thenon the very bottom there is a roll
of tape that I put around alittle piece of straw, So there's about
ten feet i'd guess of one hundredmile an hour tape or duct tape if
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you will. And then it's allpackaged up nice and neat, vacuum sealed
and ready to go. And Ipre prepped the tourniquet so that it was
easily deployable. You know, it'sreally horrific. As the fact that you
said there's four items in there,there's actually more because that's also a chess
seal because of the plastic. Yeah, I actually was thinking about that too.
(03:05):
I was going to experiment with someDIOI chess seals, and so I'm
gonna work on that and see ifI can come up with the inexpensive chess
seal. We could do any chesssubjects down in Portland that's gonna say,
come down to Portland. We candefinitely find some people with holes in amount
of Columbia Boulevard. So yeah,no, it's a it's been pretty wild
down there. I went. Idrove back down Columbia and Lombard last night
(03:30):
after we got done at ten o'clockup in Vancouver, and I was like,
man, it's even worse than itis when I'm working down here right
now. So yeah, it's gangster. I mean it was even rainy and
people were doing stupid stuff. Sothat being said, I think the idea
of maintaining the wrapper and so youcan have potentially a chess seal along with
a one hundred mile an hour tapeand if anybody is no, you can
do a quick and dirty to figureout with how to actually make that it
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just seek the proper instruction. We'renot going to tell you. So there's
that now. Because of liability.Now, now the other portion of this
discussion that we wanted to or becauseI spoke with that earlier last week with
Pat. I've had this conversation multipletimes with Avery, but for Wes this
would be highly educational because this willbe the first time I thinks he's had
this one. But how the howmarketing? And I would say, you
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know, conversely, the g Wattdid that that timeline of maybe the people
who are poliferiting in the two waymarket and teaching how marketing has impacted gear
use and how and what the availabilityof certain types of gear and like what.
Avery has a really interesting perspective aboutlife cycle? Can you you pick
it up from there? Man,Let's let's start that way. So in
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our prep to this, we weretalking and I believe that the industry.
Everything in the industry has a lifecycle. Some things have a longer life
cycle than others. Sure, butgenerally speaking, let's pick like reku kits
for example, right, Like,does everybody need a recy kit which is
like a long range of constance patrolsort of you're out there, you're doing
(05:00):
reconnaissance on your your enemy and gatheringit so you can go back and come
up with this elaborate mission plan andallocate resources and brief your subordinate units and
then go out and conduct this raidor whatever. Definitely, not like nine
like one hundred percent of those peoplethat have recky kits will never use them
in a real world tactical environment.I'm just going to put that out there.
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Most people will build up their fire. It's a lot of fun,
right, hobbom and like to theextreme. It's like, you know,
a best will maybe be involved ina handgun defensive shooting against someone who's coming
after the knife, if that right. And so it's a it's a hobby
that people like to enjoy, andit's a it's a larp, it's a
fantasy. They're playing make believe andwhatnot. And so there's a life cycle
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to that. It's only going tolast for a certain period of time.
And the wrecky Kids is a veryshort life cycle. It's already faded out.
If you remember, Like being asniper or doing sniper type stuff was
one of them. Lock Picking islike the more recent one. Calms is
one of them. The big pushfor medical I mean was one of them.
And although all those things are importantin their own right, I believe
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there is a populous life cycle that'sassociated with it, and so it will
ebb and flow over a period oftime and fade. That's the same like
camouflage patterns. Everybody sat there andwas like, yeah, I'm stick and
tired of Woodland. I know thisbecause I heard people say it when we
were wearing woodland, like all thiswould never work in the desert environment.
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But yet here we are twenty fiveyears later and people are like, I
want woodland, so it's old asnew, right, Yeah, that's what.
It doesn't work in the desert,so we'll use ACU as one of
those little air softer punks back onnineteen in early twenty years. I mean,
I still play it today and thenas hardcore as I was back in
the day. Though, I usedto get so annoyed with Woodland because it
was like you'd set up a gaming'dlike, okay, Woodland on one side,
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every other pattern on the other side, and it'd always be way more
Woodland than anybody else. It'd beso frustrating because it was always the new
players that cheated and talked at it. Why you developed all the rules,
You developed games that didn't require specificcamoufage thing and you you just did it
as your own way. You setit up proper. But that aside.
But I think that also feeds intothe concept of marketing, right, because
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if you're saying let's okay with thereki kit. So Mike Jones Grantham,
he said, I need to doa reki kit, and he put this
thing together and coincidentally, like yousaid, he launches his reki kit like
gear that you can pick up offthe basis of this marketing material. Well,
let's go back, what fifteen yearssea clamp shooting, you know,
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sea clap holes on an ar andall that stuff were present. That was
something taught to you in the ninetieswhen you guys were when you were in
battalion. Right, that's what youdid. But here you go back,
you know, fifteen years later fromthat point, and then you have Magpole
Dynamics putting this thing together and itbecomes its own whole marketing material, and
it took off this whole craze ofrain shooting and doing all these cool It's
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like it's like people opened up ait's like a dojo. This is a
dojo with thought process, right,so everything that's marketing will Look what Magpool
did they already had cool mags theyhad well they didn't have the Magaze at
time. I don't think did theyhave Magpool Magaza thing yet? No,
they're doing the follow they're the notfollowers, but they're doing the magpool Yeah,
on the back of them, yeah, ranger ranger plates, yep,
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magpools, you know. And thenthey went to the polar and mag what
a couple of years later that waslike within that scope. And then they
had the A f G and theystarted launching all these different parts to support
the marketing material that it was beingused or developed by there by their instructors,
I guess. And then the marketingteam, what's going to work the
best, what's going to be costeffective? And then what I mean,
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I don't know how many people probablyhave, uh what pts was it?
Which which side is it? Themagpole like super cool guy? Uh,
flip up sites ones that actually aren'tship How many people have those? I
mean? Yeah? And why isthat? Because we've developed it through well
no, not those, that wasthe other ones. So so, but
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the fact of the matter is isthat marketing has brought those things to the
forefront. And then all of asudden you have this hume alligation. If
it was just instruction, there's alwaysbeen instruction and whatever discipline, there's always
been people like what Clint what's hisname, Clint Smith? From Thunder Ranch.
That's that is that his name.That dude was teaching people to He
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was teaching people his methodology well beforesocial media, right, and that that
those things have always been present.The difference is now is that I think
more people have come from a lotof different disciplines, maybe through the Global
War on Terror stuff, the GWATstuff. They've come into the market and
they're saying, hey, I'll providesome type of tactical kung fu and I'm
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gonna and I'm gonna make this alligationwith my gun system. Now, they
may not be able to shoot forshit compared to like somebody who's a professional
shooter, which is highly likely ifyou're a competition shooter, your only work.
It's like boxing versus MMA. Aboxer is a better boxer in boxing
than an MMA fighter is trying tobox. But if you're talking about doing
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the full scale combat, which wouldbe like military stuff, these guys coming
in saying, hey, you dothis this thing this way, and then
everybody talks their different ways. WhatGBRS group they came up with their super
high mounts and super cool videos withmusic behind it and all that shit.
That was the next like flow soI mean, we're always in that next
state. I'm just waiting for thenext eighteen year old kid to figure out
a way to play with the musicand all that stuff again, make a
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cooler video, and that will bethe next generation and the next generation.
But do you think we're running intoa situation where the theatric is more important
than the application? Have we gonepast? Are we at that point or
are we still? Actually the thingis all of it's important. You have
to have that life cycle in orderto create the revenue stream to encourage the
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people that innovate to do stuff.I mean, it's a pyramid and at
the very top you have people whoare innovating, and then everything else supports
it. So I think you haveto have it all, is it?
I mean, I wonder if it'sactually like you go here, you hit
an apex, then it comes thisway, then it becomes I copy you,
I copy you, and then itjust then it gets diluted, and
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then once again it goes, well, these people fell off and these guys
become innovative, then you come back. It's almost like it's a diamond all
the time. They just stack ontop of each other. But I'm just
curious where we're at in terms oflike the the gunning stuff, because you
can only reload a gun so manydifferent ways, you can only pick up
the sites so many ways. Itjust becomes about performance at a given point.
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But I think that tactics, Ithink are far more intriguing. It's
a far more intriguing environment because that'sthat's is it mission mission based? Because
everything changes? What in the inthe you know, in World War Two,
what was room clearing throwing a fuckinggrenade in the building or blowing it
up? And now yeah, andthen what happens in a near peer environment.
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We're not clearing that building, We'reblowing that building up or I mean,
I guess the g WAT there's plentyof stuff that showed, hey there's
insurgents in that building. What areyou gonna do? You're you gonna blow
it up and blow that shut upand we'll come check it out later.
I mean, that just seems tomake the most sense to me. But
now, in terms of gear andstuff, what do you think about the
shift where you know, there wasthat period of time where plate carriers like
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it went from like what was itlike the the IOTV and the cyrus and
all that stuff, and then itmoved to just straight plate carriers, and
then it started then it went tolike no, I went from lcee okay,
then it went to LBV and thenit went to racks and then it
went to iotvs and then yeah,and now we're going back to well,
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yeah, I think I mean,I think a lot of people are tired
of wearing plate carriers for no reason. They want to do something else,
and so they find well, whydon't I just make a belt system and
LSE load out and use that.You know when you when you were taking
a like oh my gosh, Ido skier. That's crazy, and like
but you're like, well, wejust went back in time. I literally
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saw it. So I throw myhat in the reins to try and design
something, and so I kind ofshowed you guys a prototype of what I've
been working on tonight. Actually,and there's some areas. So I wore
a LCE. They had two firstaid kits, two rifle magazine pouches,
two soft pouches, and two canteenpouches. And that was like the most
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universal loadout I had ever ever didand have seen since the capabilities were limitless
on that thing. So and Ithink that even nowadays you can do even
more with it. And so someof the things that I'm incorporating on this
belt that I'm putting together is prettycrazy. Like it's probably one of the
most versatile things I've made in along long time. So it'll be really
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cool. Now. Were talking likethree D in search to determine the mission
type and all that kind of thing. Well, if you like, we
have talked about like carrier where Ihave two saw pouches and then there's mission
specific loadouts for those saw pouches thatwill be incorporated in this as well.
And so one of the things I'mtrying to find a subject matter expert on
is a long range of twenty fivewatt radio system that would insert into one
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of those kits. Right, Sobasically you're taking a ham radio that would
mount inside of a saw pouch witha battery and then you'd have this extended
range radio. It's way better thansome boufang you know, five wat thing.
So that's an example, is it. Okay, So not to nerd
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out, but so like on CBS, right, you can have an amplifier,
you know, you can make ityou can, you can pop up
more wattage. You're talking about doingthe same thing just with on a smaller,
smaller No, I mean I think. I think if you're running a
bowfang at eight wat with this stupidantenna, or you're running this thing a
twenty five wat with you know,forty eight inch, you know, a
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breeze style full tactical quote unquote antenna, i think your range is going to
be a loticulous further. Yeah,So that is kind of what I've been
thinking about lately, trying to figureout. I'm a big fan of the
bow fangs. I think they workreally well. But I've okay, so
I have a question in terms ofsince we're talking about gear and the innovation
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of old and new, now witha belt system, do you have to
worry about integration with the backpack systemthe way they have the belt designs now
they're all so like in the olddays, most people, most regular army
guys were lsees where they warmed justabove their hips, so they sat on
their hip. We didn't wear themthat way and range of the time.
We war them up like you woulda chest rig, so it basically imagine
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a chest frig that wrapped all theway around your body. You know it's
right, you know, on yourYeah. Yeah, and so that's basically
the same idea that I'm going tobe incorporating here is doing something like that.
I have a dog wandering around,I'm trying to figure out what he's
trying to do. You're gonna findit later. Yeah, yeah, So
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I'm trying to figure that out.Incorporate that. But yeah, so what's
the consensus, Like, Okay,Pat, since you've you bought about every
laser site system under the sun,like anything that's ever been made, you've
owned one I think in general.Yeah, well right, so my thought
is is that influenced by technology becauseyou have kind of like a you have
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a you have a engineering type wayof looking at things, right, So,
what's how what's your take on that? How do you why did you
keep on updating equipment when you knewthat in the theoretically a Peck two would
have worked for what whatever you weredoing in general? It's funny you brought
that up because I was gonna gowith the Peck line of Peck series.
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Peck two is your big box.I mean that was in for red Pointer
illuminator and I worked works good.It's lightweight. The downside is the thing
is freaking huge, burn a holein the sun. We then do the
Pack four, which I think arevisible now they're smaller. I can't remember.
I don't remember the pack force Avery, Yeah, it was a single.
What was really cool about that isjust the laser, right, But
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it was a smaller profile and ithad a throw lever on it. It
kind of acted as its own pressurepad, and so you could if you
pushed out on it, it turnedit in permanent on mode, or if
you pushed in on it was temporaryon, and then if you just let
go, it was off. Andthat was really cool. I'm sorry,
go ahead, no, And thenthe next iterations were a Peck fifteens.
Peck fifteen's were a smaller unit visibleamy laser, so you don't need to
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go site it in at night orlow light or under nods. You can
sit in the pointer visibly. Andthen the end galls are basically a Peck
fifteen high powered in literally the profileof a credit card, so it's miniaturized.
And then you have say the B. E. Myers malls. Those
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are neat fucking thing weighs like twopounds. But it is nice having the
controls on the top and it sitsoff to the side. It's nice.
But is it worth the weight?No, I'd rather have less real estate.
But has a technology advanced? Sure, it's an IR laser and a
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lasers, man, I mean it'snot. I don't know if the technology
is necessarily advanced. Is the governmentregulation that's really stopped anything from happening?
Like, you can't you can onlyhave class one lasers? I mean,
okay, yeah, I got Iwas in Spain. I got hit in
the eye of the blue laser andI was like, nope. He was
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like, oh shit, lacing parttwo. I can't see besides people hurting
themselves with the stupid things. Youknow, I'm sure it's gotten more compact.
I'm sure that's an obviously, that'sa natural evolution. But yeah,
is it anything revolutionary? You know? I mean, guys are buying those
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Somo gear laser Peck fifteens because they'recheap and they're damn they're doing high power
wattage out of those fucking things.And they're legal. Okay, okay,
go ahead and ask what you weregonna ask first before I orient. I
was just gonna say, I haveone of those cheap little lasers. It
does both infrared invisible to human eye, and then standard just it's like a
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laser pointer and the infrared surprisingly lookingat it to the a pair of nods,
it's nice and bright like just likeall the high powers shed so you
hou necessarily you have to have thehigh power. It's just the high powered
stuff. Usually it's gonna come withbetter manufacturing. It's gonna last longer,
it's not gonna fall apart on you. It's gonna hold zero. I would
like to orient into that and saythis. I think in general, lasers
and all that kind of stuff wargaming. Wargaming is probably the culprit for more
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of a chance of injury, becausechances are if you were using it in
its application, I wouldn't care ifit was a fucking ten megawatt laser.
I'm pointing at it, lighten youup, intending to put steel at you.
I'm not worried about burning your eye. I'm worried about putting holes in
you. Right, do that too? Well? Yeah, you know,
I mean that's but I mean,like, what was the Okay, I
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know I've seen it like at atraining thing at a given point, there
was like it looks like a flashlight, but it's a laser glare glare too.
Is that what it is? Aglid? Is it a glit or
a glare? It's like it lookslike you have two versions, okay,
because glare. That's right. Thereare two versions. One that's made for
handheld and the glare is one thatthey put on rifles for roadblocks and shit.
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Okay, so yeah, I meanI I had seen one at a
training opportunity and it was I meanit was something that you would literally be
able to, like, you know, burn a hole in an airplane.
I mean it was like there wasridiculous amounts of power, but that was
at like two hundred yards. Thedot is like this, it's made to
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garner attention. Like I think,Avery, I think we played with an
islid one type that's a fucking lightsaberLike write a dick on the moon,
that's what. Yeah. So okay, so focus as a focus on the
front of the thing, and asa button that says fire like yeah,
yeah, how is that? Oneof the beams are purple and it's a
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really red button too that says fuckingfire. But you can. You can
go on Amazon. You can getwhat it looks like a flashlight. It
shoots out a purple beam. Youhave to wear a special pair of glasses
when you use it because it willbounce off of the paint on your walls
and it will burn your eyes thesecond it touches them. So it will.
That's what people do with lasers ontheir rifles. They forget that they're
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on high power, on high power, and that reflection off like a truck
and now your eyes are fucked.It just burns them. Yeah. Interesting,
So back to the back to thecontent of the show. Now,
as far as the question about gear, then where do you think? Okay,
I'll let you prognosticate, because sinceyour industry, what do you think
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the next pooh is going to be? What do you think? Oh,
man, if I knew that,you'd be a millionaire? Right? So,
well, so what's what's the trendright now? We're going back to
the nineties with rack systems. That'slike, that's the current deal. Belts
belts okay, Now it's belts okay. So now we've now business, so
everybody can you could run lighter andbe faster but you know what I think
(22:29):
the concept is is instead of carryingstuff on your back, like having an
assault pack or something like that,the idea is that you put it around
your waist and so you're able tocarry your day's load out with you know,
operational stuff and be able to doit. The problem I see is
like you see these different loadout videoswhere people, you know, break it
down and talk about what they have. None of them have any modern capabilities.
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So they don't have a spot fortheir drone, they don't have a
spot for high end you know,mesh network devices, they don't have yeah,
any of those things. They gotfifteen mags. Yeah, Yeah,
that's kind of what we were talkingabout earlier. It is like, well,
on the other end of the marketingwhere people are like trying to have
a life cycle to their content andthey're trying to move to the next thing.
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The opposite end of that spectrum isthe g WAT guy who's like you
have to have fifteen mags or whyare you even going to the fight or
whatever, right, whatever ridiculous argumentthat they're trying to make. And I
think I held toyota, yeah,because I got a mount of two forty
in the back of my jeep runninga protest for Antifa in Portland. Okay,
Ranger Kerr, I've got a question, all right, all right,
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So when you were in battalion,when you were training, training, not
the idea was you could live outof your backpack and then your operational gear
was on your body. So thatwhere that transitioned away from what happened in
the GWAT, where they had asmall assault pack and they didn't have to
worry about sleeping out with their headin the mud day. Right, that's
kind of a well, the breakoutI usually do is like you can live
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off your kit for one day.You can live off your backpack for up
to three days, not three days, but up to three days, depending
on the environment and whatever resources youcan also you know get and then your
rock. You can live out ofthat for almost a week, Okay.
And that's without replemishing, without resourcing. Right. So, like we got
to a point where we were justrunning for like forty eight hour ops or
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whatever. We were just running cliffbars in our racks. So the rack
has this little map pocket and wejust line that with cliff bars or protein
you know, power bars or whateverthey were at the trail mix whatever it
is you could use to make it, and as you're walking you just pull
a power bar out and eat it, drink you know, a lead of
water or quart of water or whatever, and be good to go. And
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you could live off like your chestrig alone. You could live easily a
day off of that, two daysoff of that. Okay, So before
we have a couple of minutes left, so well, I'm going to say
this. I have a question becausethis is one of those interesting perspective things,
because I have a very clear ideabecause I understand that what's happened in
the market, But how do youthink the millsim market. The people who
are enjoying a hobby have helped orientand made more items more available because they're
(25:18):
being purchased more of a civilian push. Because that's it. I know,
that's a huge that's a huge demographic. Not just people who are doing range
theatrics. I mean they're actually goingout and doing stuff now and then can
you speak to the importance or thevalue of people who are going out doing
like a forty hour deal. They'regoing out for a weekend or a several
(25:40):
days and living out of their gear. What's the importance to that. So
somebody who doesn't quite understand, Okay, So the first point is I tell
people when they laugh at arisofts,I say, well, there's more jpcs
in private ownership than they are currentlybeing used in the US military at this
time. So if you're going tosit there and say, well, that's
(26:00):
a dumb market to try and marketto and you'd rather get government contracts of
people that are you know already gettingjpc's, well you're fighting a losing battle.
You're not gonna win that one.So I believe that there's way more
money for normal tactical industry companies inthe civilian sector right now than there is
(26:22):
in the military sector unless you're you'vegot big contracts that you know you're going
to be able to maintain. Andso I try to push companies to the
to the airsoft or the two waycommunity. And what we were talking about
earlier is like that that generates revenuestream so that you can innovate and create
new things. As technologies evolve andmissions change, new gear is needed.
(26:48):
And so that's why it's important tohave, like we talked earlier, the
little triangle. There's all this moneydown here, and it funnels up to
the innovation at the very top ofit, and then that trickles back down
to the user. So that's veryimportant. And what was the second question?
Why? What's what's the value ingoing out and running in your kit
and that type of environment under astress team environment, you know, you
(27:11):
know, yeah, obviously no lifeand death, but you know, I
think there's training and everything, right, and it's just whether or not you
want to extraculate that training value outof whatever it is you're doing. Yeah,
you can develop train scars, butalso just going to the range and
just shooting at paper targets in astatic environment can be valuable. So it's
up to you to identify what trainingvalue you're getting out of each training iteration
(27:34):
that you're doing. And so ifyou're going to a forty hour millsim event
and you're like, well, there'sno training value in this because I have
a BB gun in my hand,well then you're missing out because the simple
fact of packing your ruck and makingsure you have the right stuff, doing
a weather assessment to know like whatdo I need a heavy dew sleeping bag
or is it will be going tobe good enough is it going to be
(27:55):
raining? Do I need a bibysack? Do I need to have a
tarp? Do I need to havegortex? Like all these different things,
and then understanding like what your bodydoes under that load. So if you
have a forty pound ruck, howfar can you go? How much wire
do you consume? How much fooddo you consume? Is there a morale
issue that you have on a fortyhour event where you get depressed because you
don't have your your Starbucks? Youknow, all these different things that factor
(28:17):
into being able to accomplish a mission. You can take away from a forty
hour milstim event or even an eighthour mealstim event just depends on what you're
trying to get out of it.Your kit, where your kit, how
your kit interacts with your ruck,the fact that if you shoulder your rifle,
you hit your PTT and that causesyour colms to go down. You
(28:38):
know, just all sorts of thingslike that are are very valuable to experience,
experience when you're doing an event.Well, and closing on that because
I couldn't have said that any bettermyself, I fully concur now. But
now with that mind, you concurin terms of we talked about a few
weeks ago. I think we needto talk about homework, and the homework
(28:59):
is going to be the chemistry ofyour better self and your capabilities. Everybody
needs to bust out and start usingthe chemistry concept of what Avery with his
matrix of being better at something.You draw yourself. You talk about your
fitness to start exploding everything out andstart determining where you're weak. If you
want to talk about the tactical sense, start there. That's just fine,
But be honest with yourself. AndI'd like to see some feedback on our
(29:21):
private network. Absolutely, yeh afterMath, you guys get the comments,
roll on questions. You guys alwayshave great feedback on there, and I
always appreciate the support you guys giveus there. And yeah, if you
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