March 16, 2024 • 48 mins
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what Wes is going to do.He's going to measure everything out and he's
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on T shirt. So it's kindof exciting. Oh well, you know,
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last night thanks to your expertise advice. So next time, all udy He's
glossed over. Within twenty two hours, he had a couple of hits last
night. He got laid everyone.No, yes, exactly, you know,
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I say thank you, congratulations.You know you're not gay. So
yeah, here's the best part.So, I mean, he did divulge
to us off air that this girlwas exciting. She was eccentric a little
bit. She liked every ladies gentlemangot excited there. Yeah, he was
laughing too. He's like, hey, check it out. Even said mom
me lo if he said, yeah, he told his his wife, Hey
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a Actually even West took some asshome. But even Pat was like,
babeles, I went out and gotwater. I told her, and she's
like, what the funk out ofher? Go for it? Oh?
Yeah, Cause all I wanted tosay is if she wanted to get spanked
so hard, what's just pepper sprayer? You know that will really cover everything
she might be down for Alaskar,PPD and Antifa. Just do a level
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two exposure. Just put it ona paper towel and rubber across her forehead
and enough. Yeah. Social yeah, well he knew she she he should
be crying in more than one way. I mean it'll be be involuntary crying.
Yeah. I matched with two girlsthat were interested, and I was
supposed to get coffee with one ofthe other girls today. Uh and but
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now you're going steady with the oneyou banged last night. What the fuck?
Bro? You gotta be careful man, well, I said, because
I always find it I set upif I set up just one date and
then I go for that one.Sometimes that one does not always go through.
So I tried to step up likeone or two dates for the weekend
and see, you know which oneswork out. And I usually have a
fifty to fifty chance. And soyeah, the girl that I was helping
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would would say yeah and go out. I mean I text her last night,
I'm like, hey, just contromingthat we're going to meet up for
coffee at this place at this time. No response. So I didn't even
bother leaving the house this morning whenI was to go. I want to
point this out. You need todo it the way Avery's doing it.
Have like six or seven people showup and then you interview them at the
same spot. So then you're stillhaving fun. But you just check with
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people, interview them. You're good. I mean, it's the rule of
fives. I did that when Iwas I will put my headphones back on.
Yeah, you know, it wasgood stuff. You know, he's
you know, you do the thingyou do like five and you're golden.
You know something's going to come throughmaybe two or three. But now outside
of west tearing a hole in thein the ozone, uh last night,
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the space time continuum. Okay,you brought exactly because you I mean you
were you were on a you're ina pretty long rip there that it was
pussy free. But with this,with this, uh, with the with
one of the greatest holidays coming up, the Shots March. You know,
that's a long time I said,so with the Shot Show coming up,
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So Avery, you're leaving in themorning. That's leave in the morning yet
ahead in the Vegas for Shot Showtwenty twenty four. Where's it going to
be at this year? It's inVegas? Well, yeah, I mean,
but I mean where the same placeit always is, the always at
this Venetian. Now I thought itwas at the Sands back in the day.
I don't think so, I meannot like in the Sands and they
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moved it. Okay, so areyou guys exactly better? That's easier to
get to the nation yep. WhereGregos has a booth. It's a huge
booth. Is a twenty by fiftybooth that's massive, and it's downstairs.
Yeah, it's a lot of money. It's downstairs. It's in the same
spot that we always are in.So yeah, it's going to be pretty
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good. Excited to go. Howmany are you going to be one of
the exhibitors like actually working it orare you going to be Yeah, I'll
be working it. Yeah, We'vegot a leash and myself and a staff
of other people that are going wegot our armor gone. Because they always
want to ask weird questions and onlyhe knows the answers to those questions.
You know, He's like, it'scalled torque. Can I opened the rifle
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bag up and deals it as aslab that going down a mountain if I
broke my leg, I wasn't ableto walk. Yeah, because I think
that every one hundred and fifty ourbackpack should have that Abila day one hundred
and fifty dollars. That's cheap assbackpack now with that mind, Uh,
it's the joke. Yeah, Soyeah, they I'm assuming now Facebook posts
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for a fifteen dollars backpack that coulddo that. So I think that your
chips backpack should be available for thattop of scenario. So you guys bring
obviously slides, barrels, full buildrifles. Is that kind of the focus
or do you guys bring gear toor is it full? Yeah, it's
actually space wise is probably more gearbecause gear is larger volume. So but
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yeah, we have our slides,our slides completed slides or completion kits are
barrels, our combat pistol, whichis a completed build. And then we
have our rifles, our uppers,our billet sets, our builder sets,
completed uppers, if I didn't saythat already, and then all of our
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gear, any new products or youguys are bringing the table this year.
We have a few little things thatwere putting out there. We're doing a
lot of the different DLC finishes onbarrels and stuff like that. We're offering
sarah Cot to our dealers this yearon a more extensive basis, like more
more of them, you know,more colors of sarah coutad slides and things
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like that. Oh, you know, I think we glossed over a little
bit because I think we Okay,I personally took it for granted that potentially
not everybody knows what shot Show is. Do you want to tell everybody kind
of what it actually is? Yeah? What I tell people is the world's
largest farms expo that's held in Vegasevery year. I mean, they try
to do it in Florida once,but the Shooting Hunting Outdoors Trade Show everything,
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it's like the Sema of guns.It's like, I mean, I've
only been one gentlemen gotta be pressed. We had debated, we wanted to
go, but it was like Iwould have went. I could have did
the I could have did this part. I just need a little piece of
paper that said you could go partroll on the try for like how we
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could go is like I was likeunsuppressed for coverage and I'm like, we
don't have to go as unsuppressed.We just look over at Avery and go
Avery. Hirrus is contractors. There'salways twenty twenty five, assuming the world
doesn't end. Okay, so anywaywe're good. Right after election, yeah,
election, yep, we might bedoing stuff. Yea that it is
somewhere. I always like seeing themtheir stuff that comes out. Last year,
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the big drama was the ATF waslike, hey your pistols an SBR
now like the day before Shot showhit and then was like, hey,
you're that cool optic from Modern Warfaretwo that everyone likes. We made it
real and well, hold on,that's pretty funny. Hold on. At
if they do have a booth atthe shot show, what are they doing
getting trolled? What you write?Waiting I honestly, I want. I
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want to go and do an interviewand like just have a mic and be
like, Hi, yes, canyou tell us why ATF hates dogs?
You know what, They're going toloose you and say leave. They would
literally say leave and they would callsecurity. That's exactly Maybe ere the smartest
agents down there. I don't evenknow if they're agents, but they have
their smart people the media on camera. Even when I I had a fire
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break hat in my neighborhood and Iwent out and I was like, I'm
a freelance reporter going to do aninterview with you, and the guy got
on camera. He was very goodon camera. I'm like, he's the
media representative guy, like, hey, people lost their belongings here today.
So that I'm assuming that's what theywere to do with the ATF, because
it's like guys that actually that don'tdo the dog shooting. They go out,
they just answer questions, so they'reprobably well aware of the memes.
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I say, if you ask sucha direct, awful question, they'd be
like, and your name is andyou live where outstanding? You know dog?
I would give you answers to yourquestions. I'll come let me,
let me get back with you nextweek. Let me get your email address.
I'd like to chat with the offline. Yeah. So okay, So
this brings us to the point ofthe of the of the show. Outside
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of the fact that everybody is offthe rails completely, there is a discussion.
There is a product push, whichmarketing is is. Obviously there's a
huge you know, there's a lotof money in marketing, right, and
marketing in itself is why do youwant a specific product? They're making you
develop a need based on a want, not a need. Right, You
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don't you need water, you needfood, you need shelter, you know
you need fire, et cetera.What you do not need is the best
backup iron sights on the market.You do not need the perfect laser that
costs twenty two one hundred dollars foryou know, a little credit card.
Well that's probably more than that.That's it. How much does an end
goal? Anyway? Are you talkinggray market or actual what you could pay
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for them? Okay, I'm sayingif a civilian bought it gray market,
because that's the only way you're probablysupposed to get it. Let's say that
was just theoretically, have a civilianversion, yeah, but you only want
the one to get the licenses toown one. So you could go to
the manufacturer, give them money andthey would send it to you, Like
what would that cost? Or comparisonto Peck fifteen, a civilian Pick fifteen
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goes for about fourteen hundred dollars okay, And then you have the AL three
Harris Engall is four k cars nownoway for half the size and it is
essentially an ultra high power whatever thatmeans. Yeah, okay. So my
point being to you is that becausethe marketing literally created the discussion on our
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brick right here that said, what'san endgall? What's this? What's that?
How much is this? How muchis that? And it's like,
and that's the cool hotness, right, that's the hotness for your for a
laser system. Right, I don'tknow. I mean I for a while
it was the mall a mall,and then there was before that it was
like the steiotechs. Whatever they're goingto do, and they haven't released that
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yet. So the idea is isthat they create a product that fills the
need that you don't have. AndI think Avery said that many a time,
but that's the whole intent. Sowhen you look at internet influencers,
even people like us that have weshowed you an un press T shirt,
and the thing is is if youwear that, you will actually get laid,
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probably get late. That's probably true. That's that's absolutely true. But
and the thing is is if not, you have a phallic symbol on your
chest. So it makes you stronger. So i mean strangle my wife with
it, and I'm gonna get laidanyway, exactly, So you're gonna you're
gonna straggle with the short that's onmy planet. This is a symbol of
help exactly, exactly from Dickton,all right. So so my point is
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is that the product is not whatdrives your skill set. It's because we
watch like Grand Thumb videos or AdministrativeResults or t Rex arms. Everybody wants
to shoot like that. Lucas dude, right, Lucas can just bang rounds
and just ring. Yeah, youknow who the fuck that is, so
you shut the hell up kind ofit. So now, but the point
is is that the guy they havethis internet famousness now there. Now,
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Lucas started off basically shooting, andhe was creating a market for his for
his products. Well, now hestarted going because he got big enough,
he makes enough money. Now he'sdoing kind of the political thing with all
the laws stuff. But if you'renot looking at his stuff, isn't also
forward forward facing in terms of tryingto find the newest latest gadget, Whereas
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if you go to like a Granthamthing or or there's always some really super
cool product that people try to purchasethe product to make them better at something
or better at their skill set,rather than just doing the reps. So
my question is what product it shotshow is going to make everybody stronger and
better this year by buying it versusthan actually doing out and shooting and doing
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the doing the work. Because everybodywants to shoot like a super cool guy,
just you know, they just don'twant to. They don't want to
put in the work to do it. Maybe I haven't been paying attention,
but I don't actually know if anyone'ssupposed to be dropping anything super cool.
There's to be a scene MVG thingsthat are supposed to come out, like
another couple of different types of bridges. But I mean that's neat. I
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mean, you could customize your shit, but I mean is there something that
you know is not groundbreaking. Hey, hold on it. So are they
going to make a sake that doesn'texplode? Well? The place that I
suggest everybody frequent is a Soldier Systems. They have some of the best industry
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relevant news. It's mostly military related, but you know there's a trickle down
Reaganomics effect that goes along with that. But yeah, I'm on there right
now, and usually it's inundated withooh that's kind of cute. It usually
has a bunch of new stuff onit for a shot show. But I
don't see any new So Jobeski hasa new upper or something like that.
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But oh, you know those robotdogs that Bae invented like years ago.
Yeah, yeah, they're putting fuckingtoes and stinger missiles on them now.
Apparently what that's crazy? We neverthought that was gonna have no weaponized dog
net. Oh geez did his Fidowith the Okay, have you been watching
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all the drone footage of the guysthat have the you know in you in
Ukraine? That is terrifying. Didyou watch the guy get chased around the
only only to die in the samespot he ran from. It's like I'm
my good god, that fuckman.I mean, don't you every doesn't everybody
have to carry a shotgun with birdshot or like, you know, something
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like low Bay's fours. You knowthey have, don't they have like backpack
jammers for some of that ship.Is that standard or is that kind of
atypical At this point, I don'tknow if the Russians have that type of
stuff. I mean you can goon Ali Baba and buy a jammer.
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You know, Russians do not,yeah, stillyland the United States, But
I mean they do exist. Thatthe key is to now what frequency to
be, And you know, there'sbeen a lot I don't know that much
about it. There's a lot ofspeculation that with a software defined radio twenty
five dollars device off of Amazon,you can actually jam them, you know,
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by making a lot of noise andconfusing the drone. But I don't
know if that's true or not.Well, I basically crushed on my as
two guy was talking about jam Youthrow so much crap in the air,
it doesn't know what the fucking do, yeah, yeah, allegedly, yeah,
and then it falls the earth andtriggers itself and blows up blows up
somebody else, not you, that'swhat's important. Yeah, there's a guy
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about ten years ago in Florida didthat. He rigged up a jammer in
his uh, his Forward Explorer.He'd drive it, he'd go to work
him back and they notice a cellphone tower would go dead. Yeah,
he's still in prison forever. Yeah, that's like financial crimes, man,
it's the same idea. Well,yeah, when you got cruisers and shit
going by and like their data uplinksand shit just go dead. Yeah,
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they don't like that shit. Oryou go buy an airport and ATC is
like, why doesn't our ship work? That's problem. Well well yeah,
but okay, now the only that'sstupid. Don't do that people, That's
be a bad thing. Don't dothat. Although if you had the technology
to jam a drone like a twopoint four gig system like that bandwidth for
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for no reason other than for yourown personal safety on your property, I
guess it could be I guess Idon't know if that would be illegal.
Probably would be illegal in the UnitedStates, It probably is. Yeah,
that makes sense, is that somejamming device, and I believe all that
is jamming signals is illegal in theUS, you would probably face no no
issues if you just used a shotgun. Here in Montana, any unauthorized drone
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on your private property is fair game. Now you have a century gun,
that's you do a program, you'reown FAELANX. There you go, an
agous gun. Yeah. So isthere any cool other than the only cool
things I've seen come out this yearthat was really groundbreaking was the gas blow
through like suppressors that you just thatwas pushing gas out the front. But
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they had there was kind of agive and a take because they wear out
quicker. So I don't really knowas flashed reduction as say, yeah,
okay, and RC two versus anRC three apparently RC three's and sure Fire
even came out said this. Itwas like, if you're looking for what
an RC two does is this isnot what this is going to do.
Ever, it can't beat that standard. It will not because of the way
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it's designed. You can't have onewithout the other or the other without the
one, and the hucksworks can islike what a thousand rounds or ten thousand
rounds and they starts having a degregationlike something I did see. The glock
is finally coming out with their clipon suppressors for their glocks that have been
in South Africa I believe for thirtyyears. A clip on, uh the
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slide the notch on the front.Really, m that's interesting. I don't
Yeah, that sounds going to aboutthis year. I don't know if they
have any there, but I'll seeif I can find a pit show.
I didn't see a post. It'sa different brand. It wasn't by Glock,
but they had developed suppressors for handgunsthat mount the same way. It
clips onto the light rail and thenit has a light and a laser on
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some at the front just below thesuppressor. So that has basically it gives
it this like big RoboCop looking boxyshaped the suppressor. But then I guess
some of the compact I was notGlock incorrect. But yeah, it's the
one you're talking about West Okay,Yeah, okay, so is no handguns.
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There's nothing special that's come out.I mean, you know, Okay,
so we were talking announce it.That's the point. Well no,
I mean you're typically it's like yourtease, but there's no Yeah, I
mean, but I've seen this iswhen they make the announcement, right,
this is when they come out withit is during shot Show, not not
the day before. Well, solike what was it? What was it?
It was a long time ago,like twenty eleven, the twenty eleven
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shot show that was. When whendid air softwarely become popular at shot show?
Avery? When did that really shift? I don't know. I was
like, I mean the downstairs andlike the side halls has always had a
few vendors. I mean Evike lastyear was able to move upstairs like they
are like legit upstairs in the bigarea and that's a big deal. I
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think they're the maybe one of Ithink they're the only real well elite Force
was upstairs too, I believe.But they have all this, they have
all the licensing from Hume Rex right, that's is that one of the reasons.
Yeah, yeah, Umerix has.But Umerix is also a bb gun
company before they're an airsoft company,and so that's kind of probably why they're
up there. But yeah, soI would say that or Evike is probably
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the only airsoft company that's upstairs.Wow, that's kind of cool. So
last year someone came out with agas blow back two four nine that was
pretty cool. So now the reasonI'm saying this is is that when Okay,
who I cannot remember the name ofthe company, the the the ar
that you had built a long timeago, that's the system system of Yeah,
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the system a gun. When theycame out with the MP five that
year, that was like the biggest, like, oh my gosh, they
did something different because it was thatgearbox, and nobody ever bought it because
it was outrageously Yeah, it wasoutragally expensive for what it was. But
you would expect to have a lotof product, Like are we going to
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see a shift if the gun market'snot like bringing out new and innovative stuff,
they'll start marketing anything that that willbring more bodies downstairs or whatever to
maybe open more markets, to makemore interest or I matter. I think
if you're asking what the direction ofthe industry is, I think everybody's hurting
this year quite a bit. IMean, a lot of people that I
talked to are not even going tothe shot show because of the economy and
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where everything's at, so like,actually, a lot of people blind that
I know are not even going toshot. Twenty to forty percent inflation,
depending on what part of the industry, rent rates are up forty percent from
four years ago. Yeah, andyou're looking at June of this year,
people will be paying damn near twelvethousand dollars more for the shit they were
paying not that far. So yeah, it's and there's going to be a
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sunsetting. Yeah, yeah, it'sgoing away. There's going to be a
sun setting of tax incentives that wasfrom the last administration too that could have
could potentially be the biggest federal taxhike in the history of the country and
one shot. So we are notwell, yeah, I mean it's really
great. It's really interesting that weare having a rematch that that that I
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do feel as though the judges wereinvolved in the last in the last decision,
and you know, so I'm reallyhoping that we can get back to
the other economy, that another economyforce because that would be very beneficial.
Nice to see a lot more moneyflowing in our in our economy to help.
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You know, it's hard to beinnovative when you're not making money,
but that's the point. But tocontinue in what you're you're asking about Shasha,
I think Shasha is not as dyinggas, but it's getting pretty close,
so I can give it probably threeor four more years if it keeps
going, because COVID after you know, I was there the first year of
COVID. After COVID and like it, there are empty booths, like people
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bottom and pay for them, butyou know it's show almost yeah, it's
almost a third as much to getthere, set up, you know,
pay for your create to show up, pay for your staff to show up,
how's your staff, feed your staff, you know, all that type
of stuff that goes on. Soyou know that can be twenty thousand dollars
depending on the sized booth that youhave, you know, and so it's
just the booth alone. Uh no, no, no, that's more both.
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But people will lock down that becausethey're anticipating that the economy will turn
around, right and they don't wantto lose their spot because if you lose
your spot at shot, you getif you can get one, you get
bumped all the way down to theyou know, nosebleed section or whatever.
So people end up getting spots andthey want to hold onto them because one
people know every year like oh,that's where Gregos is, and that's where
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Glock is, and that's where youknow, all these different companies are at
it's kind of solidified, and ifyou don't buy it that year, that
spot will get picked up by somebodyelse and then they'll hold on to it.
So you pay for the booth,you lock it down, but you
don't send anybody, and so they'lljust be empty spots. They'll just have
a generic placard that says ACME onit and a QR code you can use
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this discount. Yeah, it doesactually on the ground has a QR code,
but was the same way year afterShot when they first opened it,
it was nobody there boo. Thatis scary. I mean the fact that
we're talking about how how uh howthe general economy will impact trade shows so
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greatly, considering the fact that youknow, I would considered Shot or SEEMA
to be like they're like the grailof an industry, right because it's not
like it's a gun show, andit's not like it's a car show.
It's literally every product ever that's tryingto get their name out to actually grow.
And then as soon as if thewords out that you cannot gain I
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don't know, if you're not goingto build business by going to this trade
show, that is the marked endof that trade show because there'll be something
else replaces it. Well, people, you know, people are not going
to spend money to go trade show. I mean I'll save money. I'll
save my money from not going totrade show because I can go do my
yearly hunt. Still, you knowit's not it's not worth it. So
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from a business perspective too, you'relooking at whatever you spend, you want
to get at least double that inreturn, maybe even triple that in return
in sales, and preferably sales atthe event. So like your sales staff
sits down with you know, purchasers, and you try and offer them show
deals and whatnot so that they'll youknow, buy maybe a year's worth of
stuff or forecasts a year is worthof purchasing, pick up another line,
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things like that, and that wayyou can quantify what it's worth to you
to be able to go to Shotshow. So I was working with another
company before and they never they neverclosed one deal at that a shot for
the entire time that I had gonethere with them, they didn't closed one
deal. And so when what wasthe product that stuff widgets and gadgets?
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Okay, and so when when Icame over this company that was one of
the big focuses was that you know, the sales staff needed to be able
to close deals, and they didand they kicked ass. They did really
well, which justified you know,continually going back and you can make an
argument for him. And so wewent from like five shows a year down
to two shows a year. Wego to na SUW, which is a
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dealer manufacturer's show, so like wherewe get our raw goods from, and
then shot show, which is wherewe sell our finished goods to oh Wow.
So yeah, and so there's dopedeals for the one side and dope
deals on the backside. That's whatyou're okay, Yeah, It's like when
we had a huge supply chain issueafter COVID, So we went to NAHGW
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and we had a list of issuesthat we were going to try and resolve,
and we fixed all of them inthe first day. It was insane.
And you know, it's also Ithink you can run into some personality
issues sometimes, you know, andso people are like, oh, I
tried calling that person, I sendan email, I did this. But
then you actually go to their boothand you're like, hey, I need
X, and they're like, ohyeah, yeah, We've got hundreds of
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them in our warehouse. I cansend them out to you tomorrow. Like,
okay, well we've been needing themfor six months. I didn't see
any email. I didn't I didn'tknow you needed that. Oh gotcha.
So okay, so now that makestotal sense of like let's call the Morgan
phenomenon. Yeah, you have somebodywho's a filter that doesn't want to do
their job, and then you're like, well you have motivated you know,
people who are trying to get thecell done. Yeah, that's yeah,
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that's the first day of being aAHGW. Two years ago, we fixed
all of our supply chain issues andstarted building redundancies we had, you know,
because you want to have redundancies inplace in case your supplier falls through,
and so we had almost by thetime we left there, we had
probably half probably just about half aredundant level of suppliers for the parts and
(28:17):
things that we needed. So ifsomething happened, For example, there's this
three D printing company that makes blockparts, or used to make block parts,
and they stopped. They stopped lastyear. Sometime, I'm like,
okay, so we'll just called upour alternate source and had them start sent
us a PO and we worded itfrom them, so nobody even knew.
Just like seeing less Yeah, sameproduct, just different different file. Go
(28:44):
So I mean now with okay,so three D printing in that in that
scope, so is it the sameidea? They sent an STL file that
is fully prepped and done, andthen they produce it and it's super clean.
Like no, I believe this wasalready a part that they had been
manufacturing. They just chose to stopmaking gun parts, which is a common
problem that we're facing the industry.They find it, you know, with
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government agencies and nonprofits and stuff likethat, attacking the manufacturers and saying that
you're liable because you make this thing. Oh wow, Yeah, is putting
a lot of companies trying to berisk averse and so they're not providing those
you know, raw goods to peoplelike us. You know. Okay,
I have an interesting question because it'sit is a sourcing question. So for
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like things like Dinny or Cordora,right the thousand thousand D stuff or what's
the cool guy? What's the coolversion? Now? Is it five hundred?
I mean Layman's are really hot rightnow. I mean they have been
for about five years, but Imean five hundred D is kind of where
you start at. Okay, Sohow many people compete in that market to
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provide that resource. It depends onwho you're talking about and what you're looking
for. So if you're talking abouta multiicam, there's really one or two,
depending on again how you look atit. So I believe Multicans made
in the facility on the East Coast, and it's only one facility. I
mean, they might subcontract it outto other places if the demand is high
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enough, which it's not right now, So they probably are only manufactured.
Do is mean speculating? They're probablyonly having it made in one facility and
they're doing massive runs of it ata time, then sitting on an inventory
for probably six months to a yearroughly. They probably want to have six
months to a year rotation of theirinventory. But if you're looking at solid
colors like ranger green, kytie,brown black or that type of stuff,
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you're probably looking at two maybe threefacilities in the United States that are doing
very compliant. But then there'll beother places overseas that will make the solid
colors that you could probably find.Okay, So but if you go to
the Ali Baba, colors are generallyoff. Yeah. Yeah. If you
watch that t Rex video where hetalks about the products that he gets from
China from Ali Baba, and thesearen't even ranger green. Is there like
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some weird looshing od ish color.And I mean that's the problem that you'll
run into, is that it justdoesn't match and the wedding shiny and things
like that. So I mean thatthat's a whole different thing. But I
mean if you look at it froma you know, nylon products in the
United States, it's we are justabout it's almost impossible to do it.
Just like, uh, who's it, Jocko or something makes boots and he's
(31:22):
like like, we were the onlycompany that can make boots in the United
States or something. I think that'swhat it was that he makes. And
he's like, we had to goand find the machinery in warehouses that were
like condemned and salvage them and pickthem up because it didn't even exist here.
Whatever it was he was making,I think it's boots. He's like,
it doesn't even exist anymore in theUnited States, because Danner still makes
(31:44):
boots in the United States to makemere in Portland. Yeah, but you
also wreck up and calm a liar. Well, well, the reality is
is that those those machines, it'skind of like if you went to like
Pendleton Woolen Mills, right, thosemachines are like seventy years old, a
lot of them. They're old asshit. Yeah, and they're but they're
they're industrial machines and they just keepup, keep them up. So there
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was a fire that happened and thatwas the source for Ranger Green. And
so Ranger Green a couple of yearsago, I think it was like three
or four years ago now had amassive shortage, like you just couldn't find
Ranger of Green anywhere. And Iwas sitting on like four or five yards
of it, and it was treatingit like gold because it's so hard to
come by. And that's when Pharaohput out like one or two slings.
They're now worth like seven thousand dollarsbecause they were Ranger Green for a year.
(32:29):
Yeah. Yeah, and yeah,you know, have you noticed that
there's a collectibility in certain shit,like certain kit now, like there's it's
like people are it's almost like peoplebuilding retro guns. They're going for authentic
pieces, and they're what I mean, they build a clone like, Oh,
we've talked about this before. ActuallyI don't think it was on here,
but you know, we talked aboutits. Like. I encourage that
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stuff because it stimulates the economy andit stimulates its interesting. I think it
creates a triangle of stuff, andthe innovation happened at the top of the
triangle. But that stuff has toexist at the bottom of the triangle in
order for the innovation to happen,because you can't just have constantly innovating things.
The market doesn't work like that,so you know, you can only
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have so many things being created atonce. And I think the retro stuff
helps stimulate the economy and keep thebusinesses you know, going. I mean,
I was looking at building an oldlike the LCEE that I used to
carry when I was in a rangerbattime. When I first got there,
I was thinking about making it andjust having it as a display piece,
you know, But so I canI can respect it. Then you'd immediately
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start using it. But yeah,this shit still works, still works perfectly.
That's I figure out how to carrya cell phone on it because I
didn't have a cell phone back then, that's what the three D printers for.
Yeah, so now the only SoI was listening to some MSW thing
on on YouTube today. This guywas talking about mistakes that people you know
make when they're they're packing for theirfor their event if they've never gone and
(33:59):
all this stuff, and I'm like, okay, So they're like talking about
their backpack and wearing plates, andI'm like, why would I wear plates
in that environment because I don't reallysee a big advantage other than there's two
reasons, because it's all about theammersion and you trade. How you fight,
you fight, you trade in atrading environment. Milcile Buster is is
(34:19):
a fight. We got fight foryour life. So that's the one reason
is it's an immersion thing because that'swhat the big boys would really do.
So I want to do the samething to prove that I'm capable of doing
it just like the real people.That's one. The second one is because
in the gameplay itself, if youwear a helmet and you wear plates,
you get to have a second tournique, and people think that having that extra
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bonus is worth it to them tocarry around the extra what it would be
eighteen pounds of year. So that'swhat I was saying, Like, if
I'm going to wear a backpack likea gnarly backpack and I'm gonna run around
doing that, why wouldn't I.I mean, I would assume you'd probably
wearing a rack. And if youhave a backpack, you wear a rack
and a backpack and you can carryit right and it doesn't pull away from
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your body. But if you puta backpack on with plates, it always
tries to ride back further, soit's heavier, it's harder to carry it.
Or is that just because I don'thave to pack a pack. If
you are an Alice pack with theAlice frame, you can tuck a rear
plate in there. It's not verycomfortable that you can do it and not
walking a long way, So it'snot a big deal. But a lot
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of people will take their plate,they'll meet their plate carry slick and they'll
just put their plate carrier inside oftheir bag and then take it out when
they get to their patrol base.What a bunch of bitches wear that shit
like an adult. If you're gonnado it, Two life guys did it
that way too. Well, it'sbecause they're gangsters. There's the difference they
were doing. They were doing riskaversion. They're like, you know what,
it's gonna suck if I carry itthis way. So, oh,
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is there anything Okay? You knowwhat, just because for people who are
interested in any type of outdoor training, Okay, now we've talked about this
the past, about using year softbubblah blah blah blah, there is there
any specific set of items that ifif you were going to go do outdoor
training on a backpack, what whatare things you would make sure you carried?
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What are some key things if you'regoing to stay overnight, oh for
training, like for what's the sothe okay, so the left and right
limit is you're going to go spendforty hours playing bb Wars? What would
you put in the backpack? Imean it's easy. They just pull up
my packing list that we've shared andthey can see everything that I take with
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me. Yeah, yeah, Imean but okay, now let's let's go
to the point that these people can'tread such a war. So I mean
is there like like, I mean, how about the extra niceties like where
would you source a backpack cover?Where would you would you run a dry
like you would you say, havea baby's bivy sack and wo be or
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would you say have a just Wejust redid our whole sleep system. So
I have a snug pack jungle Bibithat's a seventy D it's supposedly breatheable.
And then we got the hell wegot basically a poncho liner poncho setup.
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We got two different versions. Ithink one's like a health track or health
tech or something like that. Andthen we just got new thermo rests.
We went with a thermers to aninflatable thermers and a close cell phone thermorists,
and we stack them inside each otherand then roll them up so that
they're all one. And then well, it's twenty by seventy two. That's
the dimensions, and that that sleepsystem has been really good. I hate
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not getting sleep. I don't.I don't feel as that there's any justification
for not sleeping when you're training.I don't think it does anything for you.
I think it actually decreases your trainingvalue when you mentioned yeah, and
it allows you to create oppy opportunityfor failure and messing up. So yeah,
I don't. I'm not a bigfan of missing sleep. When I'm
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trying to train, I can seeevery mid baby war Zip zip zip zip,
I'm out. That's the problem Ialways have actually when it comes to
doing bb Wars is that I'm likea Saturday where I get my full night
sleep. I'm like, man,I really could have I really going out
and plan airsoft today, and thenwhen I actually go, I have to
(38:27):
give way too early. I'm waytoo tired, and I'm going around and
I feel like a zombie the wholetime, and I'm regretting everything because I
only got like three hours of sleepand I have no energy. And then
by the time I'm done, I'mlike, try not to fall sleep on
the drive home. Okay, yeah, now you're getting laid so that's only
gonna get worse, I know.So the helicon texts swagman, roll basic
(38:52):
and I throw a zipper on there. I have a ten foot zipper that
I sew into it so it turnsinto a sleeping bag. So that's the
insulating part. It can also beworn as poncho, so if you're trying
to be warm. It's obviously notwater repellent. It's it will absorb water
easily, but as a as awarming layer. You can put that on
when you're in a patrol base.I actually did that and worked really well.
And then I have the one TigerousTent tense former. It's basically a
(39:16):
poncho with sleeves that can be erectedinto a tent. Oh yeah, I
saw that. Yeah, that's cool. And then I had the Snug Packed
Special Forces bivvy bag. So becauseof the Special Forces, you know it's
good. Actually just because it saysSF on it. Yeah, it's one
that's not bad. Comes in green, black and brown. And then I
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have a Survival sol Escape bivvy bag, which is a reflective bivvy bag basically,
so if it's really bad, I'llclimb inside. The will be the
swag roll, put that over thetop of it, and then put the
snug Pack bag on on top ofthat. And then I have a Thermorous
(39:57):
inflatable mattress and I have a closeself dermorous were sleeping on. That is
a lot of that's a lot oflayers. Well, that gives you a
lot of flexibility though too. Wehave been cold before. We have been
very cold before, so you needis just a multi purpose. You got
to unzip and then zip two bagstogether, and then it's then never,
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never, ever, never, neverhappens. Now, I already get like,
like people pushing up against me whenI'm trying to sleep, frustrating that
I was worrying about the other.I was like, at my sleeping bag
that I have, it's just it'syou know, cheap Amazon sipping bag.
And I thought, that's gonna betoo hard to fit into a backpack.
I thought if just like a lobbywould be enough for me, if I
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just packed that, you know,wrapped up in that and just lay down
somewhere and well, the trick isis to always have one water bottle and
in your kit that is very strong, so like analogy and or something that's
not a shitty disposable you know waterbottle that you get from the store.
You know, they just a shittywater bottle and screwed top that makes crinkly
(41:02):
sounds when you press on it andyou heat the water up in there and
you put inside your sleeping bag withyou and if you do that, that
will help keep you a lot warmer. It's a hot water bottle. That's
old school technology. Yeah, Sothat's a trick that we're implementing from now
on every time we go to bed, we're just gonna heat up some water.
Does that mean you have a jetboil with you? You have a
(41:23):
jet boil so you can do that. Yeah, always have a jet boil,
have a stove with you some way, shape or form anyway. Yeah.
Yeah, we're not even talking wintersurvival cold. Yeah, I don't
like cold. Sucks. No,it's not fun. No, cool just
sucks. Any final thoughts, Ithink we're about done with time well being.
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The fact that we went completely awayfrom the original concept of the discussion
doesn't really matter for us. Soyeah, that's our normal. So first
off, when you change your tenderprofile, you do get late there wes
Is you know, he's got thehe's got that. Uh. I went
and I'm just leading all those AIphotos. They were terrible and just got
rid of them. You look likea murderer, and there was a reason
why you weren't getting any ass.All right, that was sketchy. Those
(42:06):
would look like you're like, Iwent with the Lama picture as my primary
for right now. I'll see howthat works. Just push it over a
little bit. What do you mean, see how it works? It works.
It worked. What do you meanand then let's lying to us.
Wes, Well, he was aboost on Tender that that night, and
so boot I always get a coupleof matches after a boost. Turbo boost,
use a turbo booster. Yeah,pay for them that they give you.
(42:30):
If you have a premium account,they give you like one free a
month, and some of them cantake an exceptional like exceptions. Just Tender
paid for not asking because I needit, just careious. I paid one
hundred and twenty five dollars for ayear like that. Oh, so it's
the gold platinum. I got Tenderplatinum. There's different tiers there, silver,
gold, platinum, and like black. It's a great social experiment.
(42:53):
If you can sell yourself on Tender, you can sell anything. Yeah,
I admittedly am half curious to see, like what's out here, like Missoula,
South You and you, you andyour wife should make one make a
profile somebody about you with like suckinga deer skin and antlers, be like
let's go. Well, after Craigslistgot rid of the personal ads, all
(43:14):
the swingers and the god that waspeople, Yeah, that was so much
fun to readers. Since they gotrid of that all the swingers jumped on
tender and they started swarming on there, and so all the single people hate
the swingers. It's like exactly,It's just like it's like we were high
school. The drama kids and thechoir kids couldn't stand each other, and
(43:36):
there was just like you know what, I'm not going to say nerds and
clubs, and they're going, what'swrong, guys? Oh, we didn't
even have an AV club where we'rewhat what town did you say, Missoula?
Do Hamilton, Montana? If it'sthere. The funny is you got
(44:00):
to see a picture of Pat Well. I have to have to advise to
come out of your house and thenaver and A will just like jump on
and start like swiping on chicks andjust do remote just change your location.
Yeah no, I have that.Yeah, VP ended up like if say,
will just jump on and like switchyour location out to there and just
start swiping and setting it up beforehand, like I'm gonna be out there my
(44:22):
friend's house, it's a castle.I would like to point out that I
have learned my lesson as a brooktalking ship to people in high school in
the top of the rook the it'sa little cold, up there. You
probably will chili in the summertime.Yeah, it's chili. So the fee
(44:42):
links that deploys out of the rooftakes up a lot of room. And
when you're talking about the Audio Visualclub and choir, the I was in
a class and the people who editedthe yearbook were in that where they were
in that class, and I didnot get along with them. And oddly
enough, I appeared nowhere in theyearbook at all. I was cut off,
(45:02):
like there was like you could seelike an arm. I was in
tons of the pictures. I wasthe centerpiece of a lot of the pictures,
and I was cut off. Theyuse other people. Hey there you
go. That looks friendly. That'sonly a two hour drive. You should
hit that up. Good luck makingit over the pass. Who cares,
(45:23):
there's piles. Go all right,I'll do that first here today. Yeah,
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you're pretty you're pretty tied to interms of like a product specific products.
I'm pretty tied to Surefire for likelights and stuff like that. Nothing so
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nothing West, There's nothing in audiovisual stuff that you're oh, you're asking
me. Yeah, you know,in college, I had a soft spot
for Panasonic stuff. Okay, there'sa lot of people that really really big
on that. That was actually,yeah, pretty common. People will get
tied in like Adobe. I preferthe Adobe Premiere Editing Sweet and Adobie Audition
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Photoshop. A lot of people werepretty big, like they would use Adobe
for everything, but editing they wouldtry to use Final Cut or if they,
you know, were the big boys, they'd use Avid because it was
like they were the only game intown back in the early nineties. They
kind of a pioneered editing software.But I just have always had good luck
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with Panasonic stuff. It's cheaper,it's just it doesn't it doesn't perform as
well as the other shit. Sowell. I mean, Avery probably has
a soft spot for things like underarmor or you know, okay, why
another I'm using right now? TechniqueLove Audio technically, I have a pair
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of their headphones on a couple ofpairs of those great headphones. I mean,
this isn't a pair of this isbare dynamic headphones I have here.
But these are the headphones I havethat stay with this desk. They don't
go anywhere the audio technically, Imean, great microphones grab and they're cheaper.
Tragic on. There you go,magpoleil Yeah, you go, Magpole
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magazines. I wouldn't. That's allI run. I'm pretty much that's all
I have. From my AAR fifteen, I realized all I have is p
megs I have. I have acouple dozen p mags. Just that's it,
like a couple eighty of them,a couple of eighty. Yeah,
I got a stack or two forsure. Anyway, I think that would
probably be the most I tried toget all the way. Peo. It
was like anything from Ali Baba thatI can make electronics with. I don't
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Yeah, but it's hard to tellbecause you don't know if they have
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certain point with your size, islike the tape measure runs out of room.
Dude, I don't know they hadsizing. So I took a shirt
that fits me and I measured itand then I compared to the sizing.
I'm like, okay, cool,five x goddamn it. So, so
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what Wes is going to do.He's going to measure everything out and he's
going to make sure that you goteverything you need there you go. So
so if you if you wear alarge experience that was my So when you
guys go to just check the measurementsare there, measure your favorite shirt,
compare it and make sure it's gonnafit like expand X. Yeah, because
he's got me to order. SoI put the order into a couple of
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(01:06):
print though, I really like theyshowed the print again. That's dope.
Yeah, it looks it's legit man, Yeah, that you know what I
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did we have more gellows turned upperfect looks just like the logo and so
yeah, that's actually the first timeever designed something and then had it printed
on T shirt. So it's kindof exciting. Oh well, you know,
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and gentlemen, I owe you allaround of drinks. I got laid
last night thanks to your expertise advice. So next time, all udy He's
glossed over. Within twenty two hours, he had a couple of hits last
night. He got laid everyone.No, yes, exactly, you know,
(02:01):
I say thank you, congratulations.You know you're not gay. So
yeah, here's the best part.So, I mean, he did divulge
to us off air that this girlwas exciting. She was eccentric a little
bit. She liked every ladies gentlemangot excited there. Yeah, he was
laughing too. He's like, hey, check it out. Even said mom
me lo if he said, yeah, he told his his wife, Hey
(02:22):
a Actually even West took some asshome. But even Pat was like,
babeles, I went out and gotwater. I told her, and she's
like, what the funk out ofher? Go for it? Oh?
Yeah, Cause all I wanted tosay is if she wanted to get spanked
so hard, what's just pepper sprayer? You know that will really cover everything
she might be down for Alaskar,PPD and Antifa. Just do a level
(02:46):
two exposure. Just put it ona paper towel and rubber across her forehead
and enough. Yeah. Social yeah, well he knew she she he should
be crying in more than one way. I mean it'll be be involuntary crying.
Yeah. I matched with two girlsthat were interested, and I was
supposed to get coffee with one ofthe other girls today. Uh and but
(03:08):
now you're going steady with the oneyou banged last night. What the fuck?
Bro? You gotta be careful man, well, I said, because
I always find it I set upif I set up just one date and
then I go for that one.Sometimes that one does not always go through.
So I tried to step up likeone or two dates for the weekend
and see, you know which oneswork out. And I usually have a
fifty to fifty chance. And soyeah, the girl that I was helping
(03:29):
would would say yeah and go out. I mean I text her last night,
I'm like, hey, just contromingthat we're going to meet up for
coffee at this place at this time. No response. So I didn't even
bother leaving the house this morning whenI was to go. I want to
point this out. You need todo it the way Avery's doing it.
Have like six or seven people showup and then you interview them at the
same spot. So then you're stillhaving fun. But you just check with
(03:49):
people, interview them. You're good. I mean, it's the rule of
fives. I did that when Iwas I will put my headphones back on.
Yeah, you know, it wasgood stuff. You know, he's
you know, you do the thingyou do like five and you're golden.
You know something's going to come throughmaybe two or three. But now outside
of west tearing a hole in thein the ozone, uh last night,
(04:12):
the space time continuum. Okay,you brought exactly because you I mean you
were you were on a you're ina pretty long rip there that it was
pussy free. But with this,with this, uh, with the with
one of the greatest holidays coming up, the Shots March. You know,
that's a long time I said,so with the Shot Show coming up,
(04:36):
So Avery, you're leaving in themorning. That's leave in the morning yet
ahead in the Vegas for Shot Showtwenty twenty four. Where's it going to
be at this year? It's inVegas? Well, yeah, I mean,
but I mean where the same placeit always is, the always at
this Venetian. Now I thought itwas at the Sands back in the day.
I don't think so, I meannot like in the Sands and they
(05:00):
moved it. Okay, so areyou guys exactly better? That's easier to
get to the nation yep. WhereGregos has a booth. It's a huge
booth. Is a twenty by fiftybooth that's massive, and it's downstairs.
Yeah, it's a lot of money. It's downstairs. It's in the same
spot that we always are in.So yeah, it's going to be pretty
(05:23):
good. Excited to go. Howmany are you going to be one of
the exhibitors like actually working it orare you going to be Yeah, I'll
be working it. Yeah, We'vegot a leash and myself and a staff
of other people that are going wegot our armor gone. Because they always
want to ask weird questions and onlyhe knows the answers to those questions.
You know, He's like, it'scalled torque. Can I opened the rifle
(05:47):
bag up and deals it as aslab that going down a mountain if I
broke my leg, I wasn't ableto walk. Yeah, because I think
that every one hundred and fifty ourbackpack should have that Abila day one hundred
and fifty dollars. That's cheap assbackpack now with that mind, Uh,
it's the joke. Yeah, Soyeah, they I'm assuming now Facebook posts
(06:11):
for a fifteen dollars backpack that coulddo that. So I think that your
chips backpack should be available for thattop of scenario. So you guys bring
obviously slides, barrels, full buildrifles. Is that kind of the focus
or do you guys bring gear toor is it full? Yeah, it's
actually space wise is probably more gearbecause gear is larger volume. So but
(06:33):
yeah, we have our slides,our slides completed slides or completion kits are
barrels, our combat pistol, whichis a completed build. And then we
have our rifles, our uppers,our billet sets, our builder sets,
completed uppers, if I didn't saythat already, and then all of our
(06:54):
gear, any new products or youguys are bringing the table this year.
We have a few little things thatwere putting out there. We're doing a
lot of the different DLC finishes onbarrels and stuff like that. We're offering
sarah Cot to our dealers this yearon a more extensive basis, like more
more of them, you know,more colors of sarah coutad slides and things
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like that. Oh, you know, I think we glossed over a little
bit because I think we Okay,I personally took it for granted that potentially
not everybody knows what shot Show is. Do you want to tell everybody kind
of what it actually is? Yeah? What I tell people is the world's
largest farms expo that's held in Vegasevery year. I mean, they try
to do it in Florida once,but the Shooting Hunting Outdoors Trade Show everything,
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it's like the Sema of guns.It's like, I mean, I've
only been one gentlemen gotta be pressed. We had debated, we wanted to
go, but it was like Iwould have went. I could have did
the I could have did this part. I just need a little piece of
paper that said you could go partroll on the try for like how we
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could go is like I was likeunsuppressed for coverage and I'm like, we
don't have to go as unsuppressed.We just look over at Avery and go
Avery. Hirrus is contractors. There'salways twenty twenty five, assuming the world
doesn't end. Okay, so anywaywe're good. Right after election, yeah,
election, yep, we might bedoing stuff. Yea that it is
somewhere. I always like seeing themtheir stuff that comes out. Last year,
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the big drama was the ATF waslike, hey your pistols an SBR
now like the day before Shot showhit and then was like, hey,
you're that cool optic from Modern Warfaretwo that everyone likes. We made it
real and well, hold on,that's pretty funny. Hold on. At
if they do have a booth atthe shot show, what are they doing
getting trolled? What you write?Waiting I honestly, I want. I
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want to go and do an interviewand like just have a mic and be
like, Hi, yes, canyou tell us why ATF hates dogs?
You know what, They're going toloose you and say leave. They would
literally say leave and they would callsecurity. That's exactly Maybe ere the smartest
agents down there. I don't evenknow if they're agents, but they have
their smart people the media on camera. Even when I I had a fire
(09:07):
break hat in my neighborhood and Iwent out and I was like, I'm
a freelance reporter going to do aninterview with you, and the guy got
on camera. He was very goodon camera. I'm like, he's the
media representative guy, like, hey, people lost their belongings here today.
So that I'm assuming that's what theywere to do with the ATF, because
it's like guys that actually that don'tdo the dog shooting. They go out,
they just answer questions, so they'reprobably well aware of the memes.
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I say, if you ask sucha direct, awful question, they'd be
like, and your name is andyou live where outstanding? You know dog?
I would give you answers to yourquestions. I'll come let me,
let me get back with you nextweek. Let me get your email address.
I'd like to chat with the offline. Yeah. So okay, So
this brings us to the point ofthe of the of the show. Outside
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of the fact that everybody is offthe rails completely, there is a discussion.
There is a product push, whichmarketing is is. Obviously there's a
huge you know, there's a lotof money in marketing, right, and
marketing in itself is why do youwant a specific product? They're making you
develop a need based on a want, not a need. Right, You
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don't you need water, you needfood, you need shelter, you know
you need fire, et cetera.What you do not need is the best
backup iron sights on the market.You do not need the perfect laser that
costs twenty two one hundred dollars foryou know, a little credit card.
Well that's probably more than that.That's it. How much does an end
goal? Anyway? Are you talkinggray market or actual what you could pay
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for them? Okay, I'm sayingif a civilian bought it gray market,
because that's the only way you're probablysupposed to get it. Let's say that
was just theoretically, have a civilianversion, yeah, but you only want
the one to get the licenses toown one. So you could go to
the manufacturer, give them money andthey would send it to you, Like
what would that cost? Or comparisonto Peck fifteen, a civilian Pick fifteen
(10:58):
goes for about fourteen hundred dollars okay, And then you have the AL three
Harris Engall is four k cars nownoway for half the size and it is
essentially an ultra high power whatever thatmeans. Yeah, okay. So my
point being to you is that becausethe marketing literally created the discussion on our
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brick right here that said, what'san endgall? What's this? What's that?
How much is this? How muchis that? And it's like,
and that's the cool hotness, right, that's the hotness for your for a
laser system. Right, I don'tknow. I mean I for a while
it was the mall a mall,and then there was before that it was
like the steiotechs. Whatever they're goingto do, and they haven't released that
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yet. So the idea is isthat they create a product that fills the
need that you don't have. AndI think Avery said that many a time,
but that's the whole intent. Sowhen you look at internet influencers,
even people like us that have weshowed you an un press T shirt,
and the thing is is if youwear that, you will actually get laid,
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probably get late. That's probably true. That's that's absolutely true. But
and the thing is is if not, you have a phallic symbol on your
chest. So it makes you stronger. So i mean strangle my wife with
it, and I'm gonna get laidanyway, exactly, So you're gonna you're
gonna straggle with the short that's onmy planet. This is a symbol of
help exactly, exactly from Dickton,all right. So so my point is
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is that the product is not whatdrives your skill set. It's because we
watch like Grand Thumb videos or AdministrativeResults or t Rex arms. Everybody wants
to shoot like that. Lucas dude, right, Lucas can just bang rounds
and just ring. Yeah, youknow who the fuck that is, so
you shut the hell up kind ofit. So now, but the point
is is that the guy they havethis internet famousness now there. Now,
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Lucas started off basically shooting, andhe was creating a market for his for
his products. Well, now hestarted going because he got big enough,
he makes enough money. Now he'sdoing kind of the political thing with all
the laws stuff. But if you'renot looking at his stuff, isn't also
forward forward facing in terms of tryingto find the newest latest gadget, Whereas
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if you go to like a Granthamthing or or there's always some really super
cool product that people try to purchasethe product to make them better at something
or better at their skill set,rather than just doing the reps. So
my question is what product it shotshow is going to make everybody stronger and
better this year by buying it versusthan actually doing out and shooting and doing
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the doing the work. Because everybodywants to shoot like a super cool guy,
just you know, they just don'twant to. They don't want to
put in the work to do it. Maybe I haven't been paying attention,
but I don't actually know if anyone'ssupposed to be dropping anything super cool.
There's to be a scene MVG thingsthat are supposed to come out, like
another couple of different types of bridges. But I mean that's neat. I
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mean, you could customize your shit, but I mean is there something that
you know is not groundbreaking. Hey, hold on it. So are they
going to make a sake that doesn'texplode? Well? The place that I
suggest everybody frequent is a Soldier Systems. They have some of the best industry
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relevant news. It's mostly military related, but you know there's a trickle down
Reaganomics effect that goes along with that. But yeah, I'm on there right
now, and usually it's inundated withooh that's kind of cute. It usually
has a bunch of new stuff onit for a shot show. But I
don't see any new So Jobeski hasa new upper or something like that.
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But oh, you know those robotdogs that Bae invented like years ago.
Yeah, yeah, they're putting fuckingtoes and stinger missiles on them now.
Apparently what that's crazy? We neverthought that was gonna have no weaponized dog
net. Oh geez did his Fidowith the Okay, have you been watching
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all the drone footage of the guysthat have the you know in you in
Ukraine? That is terrifying. Didyou watch the guy get chased around the
only only to die in the samespot he ran from. It's like I'm
my good god, that fuckman.I mean, don't you every doesn't everybody
have to carry a shotgun with birdshot or like, you know, something
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like low Bay's fours. You knowthey have, don't they have like backpack
jammers for some of that ship.Is that standard or is that kind of
atypical At this point, I don'tknow if the Russians have that type of
stuff. I mean you can goon Ali Baba and buy a jammer.
(15:50):
You know, Russians do not,yeah, stillyland the United States, But
I mean they do exist. Thatthe key is to now what frequency to
be, And you know, there'sbeen a lot I don't know that much
about it. There's a lot ofspeculation that with a software defined radio twenty
five dollars device off of Amazon,you can actually jam them, you know,
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by making a lot of noise andconfusing the drone. But I don't
know if that's true or not.Well, I basically crushed on my as
two guy was talking about jam Youthrow so much crap in the air,
it doesn't know what the fucking do, yeah, yeah, allegedly, yeah,
and then it falls the earth andtriggers itself and blows up blows up
somebody else, not you, that'swhat's important. Yeah, there's a guy
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about ten years ago in Florida didthat. He rigged up a jammer in
his uh, his Forward Explorer.He'd drive it, he'd go to work
him back and they notice a cellphone tower would go dead. Yeah,
he's still in prison forever. Yeah, that's like financial crimes, man,
it's the same idea. Well,yeah, when you got cruisers and shit
going by and like their data uplinksand shit just go dead. Yeah,
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they don't like that shit. Oryou go buy an airport and ATC is
like, why doesn't our ship work? That's problem. Well well yeah,
but okay, now the only that'sstupid. Don't do that people, That's
be a bad thing. Don't dothat. Although if you had the technology
to jam a drone like a twopoint four gig system like that bandwidth for
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for no reason other than for yourown personal safety on your property, I
guess it could be I guess Idon't know if that would be illegal.
Probably would be illegal in the UnitedStates, It probably is. Yeah,
that makes sense, is that somejamming device, and I believe all that
is jamming signals is illegal in theUS, you would probably face no no
issues if you just used a shotgun. Here in Montana, any unauthorized drone
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on your private property is fair game. Now you have a century gun,
that's you do a program, you'reown FAELANX. There you go, an
agous gun. Yeah. So isthere any cool other than the only cool
things I've seen come out this yearthat was really groundbreaking was the gas blow
through like suppressors that you just thatwas pushing gas out the front. But
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they had there was kind of agive and a take because they wear out
quicker. So I don't really knowas flashed reduction as say, yeah,
okay, and RC two versus anRC three apparently RC three's and sure Fire
even came out said this. Itwas like, if you're looking for what
an RC two does is this isnot what this is going to do.
Ever, it can't beat that standard. It will not because of the way
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it's designed. You can't have onewithout the other or the other without the
one, and the hucksworks can islike what a thousand rounds or ten thousand
rounds and they starts having a degregationlike something I did see. The glock
is finally coming out with their clipon suppressors for their glocks that have been
in South Africa I believe for thirtyyears. A clip on, uh the
(18:52):
slide the notch on the front.Really, m that's interesting. I don't
Yeah, that sounds going to aboutthis year. I don't know if they
have any there, but I'll seeif I can find a pit show.
I didn't see a post. It'sa different brand. It wasn't by Glock,
but they had developed suppressors for handgunsthat mount the same way. It
clips onto the light rail and thenit has a light and a laser on
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some at the front just below thesuppressor. So that has basically it gives
it this like big RoboCop looking boxyshaped the suppressor. But then I guess
some of the compact I was notGlock incorrect. But yeah, it's the
one you're talking about West Okay,Yeah, okay, so is no handguns.
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There's nothing special that's come out.I mean, you know, Okay,
so we were talking announce it.That's the point. Well no,
I mean you're typically it's like yourtease, but there's no Yeah, I
mean, but I've seen this iswhen they make the announcement, right,
this is when they come out withit is during shot Show, not not
the day before. Well, solike what was it? What was it?
It was a long time ago,like twenty eleven, the twenty eleven
(19:59):
shot show that was. When whendid air softwarely become popular at shot show?
Avery? When did that really shift? I don't know. I was
like, I mean the downstairs andlike the side halls has always had a
few vendors. I mean Evike lastyear was able to move upstairs like they
are like legit upstairs in the bigarea and that's a big deal. I
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think they're the maybe one of Ithink they're the only real well elite Force
was upstairs too, I believe.But they have all this, they have
all the licensing from Hume Rex right, that's is that one of the reasons.
Yeah, yeah, Umerix has.But Umerix is also a bb gun
company before they're an airsoft company,and so that's kind of probably why they're
up there. But yeah, soI would say that or Evike is probably
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the only airsoft company that's upstairs.Wow, that's kind of cool. So
last year someone came out with agas blow back two four nine that was
pretty cool. So now the reasonI'm saying this is is that when Okay,
who I cannot remember the name ofthe company, the the the ar
that you had built a long timeago, that's the system system of Yeah,
(21:11):
the system a gun. When theycame out with the MP five that
year, that was like the biggest, like, oh my gosh, they
did something different because it was thatgearbox, and nobody ever bought it because
it was outrageously Yeah, it wasoutragally expensive for what it was. But
you would expect to have a lotof product, Like are we going to
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see a shift if the gun market'snot like bringing out new and innovative stuff,
they'll start marketing anything that that willbring more bodies downstairs or whatever to
maybe open more markets, to makemore interest or I matter. I think
if you're asking what the direction ofthe industry is, I think everybody's hurting
this year quite a bit. IMean, a lot of people that I
talked to are not even going tothe shot show because of the economy and
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where everything's at, so like,actually, a lot of people blind that
I know are not even going toshot. Twenty to forty percent inflation,
depending on what part of the industry, rent rates are up forty percent from
four years ago. Yeah, andyou're looking at June of this year,
people will be paying damn near twelvethousand dollars more for the shit they were
paying not that far. So yeah, it's and there's going to be a
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sunsetting. Yeah, yeah, it'sgoing away. There's going to be a
sun setting of tax incentives that wasfrom the last administration too that could have
could potentially be the biggest federal taxhike in the history of the country and
one shot. So we are notwell, yeah, I mean it's really
great. It's really interesting that weare having a rematch that that that I
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do feel as though the judges wereinvolved in the last in the last decision,
and you know, so I'm reallyhoping that we can get back to
the other economy, that another economyforce because that would be very beneficial.
Nice to see a lot more moneyflowing in our in our economy to help.
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You know, it's hard to beinnovative when you're not making money,
but that's the point. But tocontinue in what you're you're asking about Shasha,
I think Shasha is not as dyinggas, but it's getting pretty close,
so I can give it probably threeor four more years if it keeps
going, because COVID after you know, I was there the first year of
COVID. After COVID and like it, there are empty booths, like people
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bottom and pay for them, butyou know it's show almost yeah, it's
almost a third as much to getthere, set up, you know,
pay for your create to show up, pay for your staff to show up,
how's your staff, feed your staff, you know, all that type
of stuff that goes on. Soyou know that can be twenty thousand dollars
depending on the sized booth that youhave, you know, and so it's
just the booth alone. Uh no, no, no, that's more both.
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But people will lock down that becausethey're anticipating that the economy will turn
around, right and they don't wantto lose their spot because if you lose
your spot at shot, you getif you can get one, you get
bumped all the way down to theyou know, nosebleed section or whatever.
So people end up getting spots andthey want to hold onto them because one
people know every year like oh,that's where Gregos is, and that's where
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Glock is, and that's where youknow, all these different companies are at
it's kind of solidified, and ifyou don't buy it that year, that
spot will get picked up by somebodyelse and then they'll hold on to it.
So you pay for the booth,you lock it down, but you
don't send anybody, and so they'lljust be empty spots. They'll just have
a generic placard that says ACME onit and a QR code you can use
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this discount. Yeah, it doesactually on the ground has a QR code,
but was the same way year afterShot when they first opened it,
it was nobody there boo. Thatis scary. I mean the fact that
we're talking about how how uh howthe general economy will impact trade shows so
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greatly, considering the fact that youknow, I would considered Shot or SEEMA
to be like they're like the grailof an industry, right because it's not
like it's a gun show, andit's not like it's a car show.
It's literally every product ever that's tryingto get their name out to actually grow.
And then as soon as if thewords out that you cannot gain I
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don't know, if you're not goingto build business by going to this trade
show, that is the marked endof that trade show because there'll be something
else replaces it. Well, people, you know, people are not going
to spend money to go trade show. I mean I'll save money. I'll
save my money from not going totrade show because I can go do my
yearly hunt. Still, you knowit's not it's not worth it. So
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from a business perspective too, you'relooking at whatever you spend, you want
to get at least double that inreturn, maybe even triple that in return
in sales, and preferably sales atthe event. So like your sales staff
sits down with you know, purchasers, and you try and offer them show
deals and whatnot so that they'll youknow, buy maybe a year's worth of
stuff or forecasts a year is worthof purchasing, pick up another line,
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things like that, and that wayyou can quantify what it's worth to you
to be able to go to Shotshow. So I was working with another
company before and they never they neverclosed one deal at that a shot for
the entire time that I had gonethere with them, they didn't closed one
deal. And so when what wasthe product that stuff widgets and gadgets?
(26:26):
Okay, and so when when Icame over this company that was one of
the big focuses was that you know, the sales staff needed to be able
to close deals, and they didand they kicked ass. They did really
well, which justified you know,continually going back and you can make an
argument for him. And so wewent from like five shows a year down
to two shows a year. Wego to na SUW, which is a
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dealer manufacturer's show, so like wherewe get our raw goods from, and
then shot show, which is wherewe sell our finished goods to oh Wow.
So yeah, and so there's dopedeals for the one side and dope
deals on the backside. That's whatyou're okay, Yeah, It's like when
we had a huge supply chain issueafter COVID, So we went to NAHGW
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and we had a list of issuesthat we were going to try and resolve,
and we fixed all of them inthe first day. It was insane.
And you know, it's also Ithink you can run into some personality
issues sometimes, you know, andso people are like, oh, I
tried calling that person, I sendan email, I did this. But
then you actually go to their boothand you're like, hey, I need
X, and they're like, ohyeah, yeah, We've got hundreds of
(27:33):
them in our warehouse. I cansend them out to you tomorrow. Like,
okay, well we've been needing themfor six months. I didn't see
any email. I didn't I didn'tknow you needed that. Oh gotcha.
So okay, so now that makestotal sense of like let's call the Morgan
phenomenon. Yeah, you have somebodywho's a filter that doesn't want to do
their job, and then you're like, well you have motivated you know,
people who are trying to get thecell done. Yeah, that's yeah,
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that's the first day of being aAHGW. Two years ago, we fixed
all of our supply chain issues andstarted building redundancies we had, you know,
because you want to have redundancies inplace in case your supplier falls through,
and so we had almost by thetime we left there, we had
probably half probably just about half aredundant level of suppliers for the parts and
(28:17):
things that we needed. So ifsomething happened, For example, there's this
three D printing company that makes blockparts, or used to make block parts,
and they stopped. They stopped lastyear. Sometime, I'm like,
okay, so we'll just called upour alternate source and had them start sent
us a PO and we worded itfrom them, so nobody even knew.
Just like seeing less Yeah, sameproduct, just different different file. Go
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So I mean now with okay,so three D printing in that in that
scope, so is it the sameidea? They sent an STL file that
is fully prepped and done, andthen they produce it and it's super clean.
Like no, I believe this wasalready a part that they had been
manufacturing. They just chose to stopmaking gun parts, which is a common
problem that we're facing the industry.They find it, you know, with
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government agencies and nonprofits and stuff likethat, attacking the manufacturers and saying that
you're liable because you make this thing. Oh wow, Yeah, is putting
a lot of companies trying to berisk averse and so they're not providing those
you know, raw goods to peoplelike us. You know. Okay,
I have an interesting question because it'sit is a sourcing question. So for
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like things like Dinny or Cordora,right the thousand thousand D stuff or what's
the cool guy? What's the coolversion? Now? Is it five hundred?
I mean Layman's are really hot rightnow. I mean they have been
for about five years, but Imean five hundred D is kind of where
you start at. Okay, Sohow many people compete in that market to
(29:49):
provide that resource. It depends onwho you're talking about and what you're looking
for. So if you're talking abouta multiicam, there's really one or two,
depending on again how you look atit. So I believe Multicans made
in the facility on the East Coast, and it's only one facility. I
mean, they might subcontract it outto other places if the demand is high
(30:11):
enough, which it's not right now, So they probably are only manufactured.
Do is mean speculating? They're probablyonly having it made in one facility and
they're doing massive runs of it ata time, then sitting on an inventory
for probably six months to a yearroughly. They probably want to have six
months to a year rotation of theirinventory. But if you're looking at solid
colors like ranger green, kytie,brown black or that type of stuff,
(30:36):
you're probably looking at two maybe threefacilities in the United States that are doing
very compliant. But then there'll beother places overseas that will make the solid
colors that you could probably find.Okay, So but if you go to
the Ali Baba, colors are generallyoff. Yeah. Yeah. If you
watch that t Rex video where hetalks about the products that he gets from
China from Ali Baba, and thesearen't even ranger green. Is there like
(31:00):
some weird looshing od ish color.And I mean that's the problem that you'll
run into, is that it justdoesn't match and the wedding shiny and things
like that. So I mean thatthat's a whole different thing. But I
mean if you look at it froma you know, nylon products in the
United States, it's we are justabout it's almost impossible to do it.
Just like, uh, who's it, Jocko or something makes boots and he's
(31:22):
like like, we were the onlycompany that can make boots in the United
States or something. I think that'swhat it was that he makes. And
he's like, we had to goand find the machinery in warehouses that were
like condemned and salvage them and pickthem up because it didn't even exist here.
Whatever it was he was making,I think it's boots. He's like,
it doesn't even exist anymore in theUnited States, because Danner still makes
(31:44):
boots in the United States to makemere in Portland. Yeah, but you
also wreck up and calm a liar. Well, well, the reality is
is that those those machines, it'skind of like if you went to like
Pendleton Woolen Mills, right, thosemachines are like seventy years old, a
lot of them. They're old asshit. Yeah, and they're but they're
they're industrial machines and they just keepup, keep them up. So there
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was a fire that happened and thatwas the source for Ranger Green. And
so Ranger Green a couple of yearsago, I think it was like three
or four years ago now had amassive shortage, like you just couldn't find
Ranger of Green anywhere. And Iwas sitting on like four or five yards
of it, and it was treatingit like gold because it's so hard to
come by. And that's when Pharaohput out like one or two slings.
They're now worth like seven thousand dollarsbecause they were Ranger Green for a year.
(32:29):
Yeah. Yeah, and yeah,you know, have you noticed that
there's a collectibility in certain shit,like certain kit now, like there's it's
like people are it's almost like peoplebuilding retro guns. They're going for authentic
pieces, and they're what I mean, they build a clone like, Oh,
we've talked about this before. ActuallyI don't think it was on here,
but you know, we talked aboutits. Like. I encourage that
(32:50):
stuff because it stimulates the economy andit stimulates its interesting. I think it
creates a triangle of stuff, andthe innovation happened at the top of the
triangle. But that stuff has toexist at the bottom of the triangle in
order for the innovation to happen,because you can't just have constantly innovating things.
The market doesn't work like that,so you know, you can only
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have so many things being created atonce. And I think the retro stuff
helps stimulate the economy and keep thebusinesses you know, going. I mean,
I was looking at building an oldlike the LCEE that I used to
carry when I was in a rangerbattime. When I first got there,
I was thinking about making it andjust having it as a display piece,
you know, But so I canI can respect it. Then you'd immediately
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start using it. But yeah,this shit still works, still works perfectly.
That's I figure out how to carrya cell phone on it because I
didn't have a cell phone back then, that's what the three D printers for.
Yeah, so now the only SoI was listening to some MSW thing
on on YouTube today. This guywas talking about mistakes that people you know
make when they're they're packing for theirfor their event if they've never gone and
(33:59):
all this stuff, and I'm like, okay, So they're like talking about
their backpack and wearing plates, andI'm like, why would I wear plates
in that environment because I don't reallysee a big advantage other than there's two
reasons, because it's all about theammersion and you trade. How you fight,
you fight, you trade in atrading environment. Milcile Buster is is
(34:19):
a fight. We got fight foryour life. So that's the one reason
is it's an immersion thing because that'swhat the big boys would really do.
So I want to do the samething to prove that I'm capable of doing
it just like the real people.That's one. The second one is because
in the gameplay itself, if youwear a helmet and you wear plates,
you get to have a second tournique, and people think that having that extra
(34:42):
bonus is worth it to them tocarry around the extra what it would be
eighteen pounds of year. So that'swhat I was saying, Like, if
I'm going to wear a backpack likea gnarly backpack and I'm gonna run around
doing that, why wouldn't I.I mean, I would assume you'd probably
wearing a rack. And if youhave a backpack, you wear a rack
and a backpack and you can carryit right and it doesn't pull away from
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your body. But if you puta backpack on with plates, it always
tries to ride back further, soit's heavier, it's harder to carry it.
Or is that just because I don'thave to pack a pack. If
you are an Alice pack with theAlice frame, you can tuck a rear
plate in there. It's not verycomfortable that you can do it and not
walking a long way, So it'snot a big deal. But a lot
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of people will take their plate,they'll meet their plate carry slick and they'll
just put their plate carrier inside oftheir bag and then take it out when
they get to their patrol base.What a bunch of bitches wear that shit
like an adult. If you're gonnado it, Two life guys did it
that way too. Well, it'sbecause they're gangsters. There's the difference they
were doing. They were doing riskaversion. They're like, you know what,
it's gonna suck if I carry itthis way. So, oh,
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is there anything Okay? You knowwhat, just because for people who are
interested in any type of outdoor training, Okay, now we've talked about this
the past, about using year softbubblah blah blah blah, there is there
any specific set of items that ifif you were going to go do outdoor
training on a backpack, what whatare things you would make sure you carried?
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What are some key things if you'regoing to stay overnight, oh for
training, like for what's the sothe okay, so the left and right
limit is you're going to go spendforty hours playing bb Wars? What would
you put in the backpack? Imean it's easy. They just pull up
my packing list that we've shared andthey can see everything that I take with
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me. Yeah, yeah, Imean but okay, now let's let's go
to the point that these people can'tread such a war. So I mean
is there like like, I mean, how about the extra niceties like where
would you source a backpack cover?Where would you would you run a dry
like you would you say, havea baby's bivy sack and wo be or
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would you say have a just Wejust redid our whole sleep system. So
I have a snug pack jungle Bibithat's a seventy D it's supposedly breatheable.
And then we got the hell wegot basically a poncho liner poncho setup.
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We got two different versions. Ithink one's like a health track or health
tech or something like that. Andthen we just got new thermo rests.
We went with a thermers to aninflatable thermers and a close cell phone thermorists,
and we stack them inside each otherand then roll them up so that
they're all one. And then well, it's twenty by seventy two. That's
the dimensions, and that that sleepsystem has been really good. I hate
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not getting sleep. I don't.I don't feel as that there's any justification
for not sleeping when you're training.I don't think it does anything for you.
I think it actually decreases your trainingvalue when you mentioned yeah, and
it allows you to create oppy opportunityfor failure and messing up. So yeah,
I don't. I'm not a bigfan of missing sleep. When I'm
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trying to train, I can seeevery mid baby war Zip zip zip zip,
I'm out. That's the problem Ialways have actually when it comes to
doing bb Wars is that I'm likea Saturday where I get my full night
sleep. I'm like, man,I really could have I really going out
and plan airsoft today, and thenwhen I actually go, I have to
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give way too early. I'm waytoo tired, and I'm going around and
I feel like a zombie the wholetime, and I'm regretting everything because I
only got like three hours of sleepand I have no energy. And then
by the time I'm done, I'mlike, try not to fall sleep on
the drive home. Okay, yeah, now you're getting laid so that's only
gonna get worse, I know.So the helicon texts swagman, roll basic
(38:52):
and I throw a zipper on there. I have a ten foot zipper that
I sew into it so it turnsinto a sleeping bag. So that's the
insulating part. It can also beworn as poncho, so if you're trying
to be warm. It's obviously notwater repellent. It's it will absorb water
easily, but as a as awarming layer. You can put that on
when you're in a patrol base.I actually did that and worked really well.
And then I have the one TigerousTent tense former. It's basically a
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poncho with sleeves that can be erectedinto a tent. Oh yeah, I
saw that. Yeah, that's cool. And then I had the Snug Packed
Special Forces bivvy bag. So becauseof the Special Forces, you know it's
good. Actually just because it saysSF on it. Yeah, it's one
that's not bad. Comes in green, black and brown. And then I
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have a Survival sol Escape bivvy bag, which is a reflective bivvy bag basically,
so if it's really bad, I'llclimb inside. The will be the
swag roll, put that over thetop of it, and then put the
snug Pack bag on on top ofthat. And then I have a Thermorous
(39:57):
inflatable mattress and I have a closeself dermorous were sleeping on. That is
a lot of that's a lot oflayers. Well, that gives you a
lot of flexibility though too. Wehave been cold before. We have been
very cold before, so you needis just a multi purpose. You got
to unzip and then zip two bagstogether, and then it's then never,
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never, ever, never, neverhappens. Now, I already get like,
like people pushing up against me whenI'm trying to sleep, frustrating that
I was worrying about the other.I was like, at my sleeping bag
that I have, it's just it'syou know, cheap Amazon sipping bag.
And I thought, that's gonna betoo hard to fit into a backpack.
I thought if just like a lobbywould be enough for me, if I
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just packed that, you know,wrapped up in that and just lay down
somewhere and well, the trick isis to always have one water bottle and
in your kit that is very strong, so like analogy and or something that's
not a shitty disposable you know waterbottle that you get from the store.
You know, they just a shittywater bottle and screwed top that makes crinkly
(41:02):
sounds when you press on it andyou heat the water up in there and
you put inside your sleeping bag withyou and if you do that, that
will help keep you a lot warmer. It's a hot water bottle. That's
old school technology. Yeah, Sothat's a trick that we're implementing from now
on every time we go to bed, we're just gonna heat up some water.
Does that mean you have a jetboil with you? You have a
(41:23):
jet boil so you can do that. Yeah, always have a jet boil,
have a stove with you some way, shape or form anyway. Yeah.
Yeah, we're not even talking wintersurvival cold. Yeah, I don't
like cold. Sucks. No,it's not fun. No, cool just
sucks. Any final thoughts, Ithink we're about done with time well being.
(41:44):
The fact that we went completely awayfrom the original concept of the discussion
doesn't really matter for us. Soyeah, that's our normal. So first
off, when you change your tenderprofile, you do get late there wes
Is you know, he's got thehe's got that. Uh. I went
and I'm just leading all those AIphotos. They were terrible and just got
rid of them. You look likea murderer, and there was a reason
why you weren't getting any ass.All right, that was sketchy. Those
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would look like you're like, Iwent with the Lama picture as my primary
for right now. I'll see howthat works. Just push it over a
little bit. What do you mean, see how it works? It works.
It worked. What do you meanand then let's lying to us.
Wes, Well, he was aboost on Tender that that night, and
so boot I always get a coupleof matches after a boost. Turbo boost,
use a turbo booster. Yeah,pay for them that they give you.
(42:30):
If you have a premium account,they give you like one free a
month, and some of them cantake an exceptional like exceptions. Just Tender
paid for not asking because I needit, just careious. I paid one
hundred and twenty five dollars for ayear like that. Oh, so it's
the gold platinum. I got Tenderplatinum. There's different tiers there, silver,
gold, platinum, and like black. It's a great social experiment.
(42:53):
If you can sell yourself on Tender, you can sell anything. Yeah,
I admittedly am half curious to see, like what's out here, like Missoula,
South You and you, you andyour wife should make one make a
profile somebody about you with like suckinga deer skin and antlers, be like
let's go. Well, after Craigslistgot rid of the personal ads, all
(43:14):
the swingers and the god that waspeople, Yeah, that was so much
fun to readers. Since they gotrid of that all the swingers jumped on
tender and they started swarming on there, and so all the single people hate
the swingers. It's like exactly,It's just like it's like we were high
school. The drama kids and thechoir kids couldn't stand each other, and
(43:36):
there was just like you know what, I'm not going to say nerds and
clubs, and they're going, what'swrong, guys? Oh, we didn't
even have an AV club where we'rewhat what town did you say, Missoula?
Do Hamilton, Montana? If it'sthere. The funny is you got
(44:00):
to see a picture of Pat Well. I have to have to advise to
come out of your house and thenaver and A will just like jump on
and start like swiping on chicks andjust do remote just change your location.
Yeah no, I have that.Yeah, VP ended up like if say,
will just jump on and like switchyour location out to there and just
start swiping and setting it up beforehand, like I'm gonna be out there my
(44:22):
friend's house, it's a castle.I would like to point out that I
have learned my lesson as a brooktalking ship to people in high school in
the top of the rook the it'sa little cold, up there. You
probably will chili in the summertime.Yeah, it's chili. So the fee
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links that deploys out of the rooftakes up a lot of room. And
when you're talking about the Audio Visualclub and choir, the I was in
a class and the people who editedthe yearbook were in that where they were
in that class, and I didnot get along with them. And oddly
enough, I appeared nowhere in theyearbook at all. I was cut off,
(45:02):
like there was like you could seelike an arm. I was in
tons of the pictures. I wasthe centerpiece of a lot of the pictures,
and I was cut off. Theyuse other people. Hey there you
go. That looks friendly. That'sonly a two hour drive. You should
hit that up. Good luck makingit over the pass. Who cares,
(45:23):
there's piles. Go all right,I'll do that first here today. Yeah,
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you're pretty you're pretty tied to interms of like a product specific products.
I'm pretty tied to Surefire for likelights and stuff like that. Nothing so
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nothing West, There's nothing in audiovisual stuff that you're oh, you're asking
me. Yeah, you know,in college, I had a soft spot
for Panasonic stuff. Okay, there'sa lot of people that really really big
on that. That was actually,yeah, pretty common. People will get
tied in like Adobe. I preferthe Adobe Premiere Editing Sweet and Adobie Audition
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Photoshop. A lot of people werepretty big, like they would use Adobe
for everything, but editing they wouldtry to use Final Cut or if they,
you know, were the big boys, they'd use Avid because it was
like they were the only game intown back in the early nineties. They
kind of a pioneered editing software.But I just have always had good luck
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with Panasonic stuff. It's cheaper,it's just it doesn't it doesn't perform as
well as the other shit. Sowell. I mean, Avery probably has
a soft spot for things like underarmor or you know, okay, why
another I'm using right now? TechniqueLove Audio technically, I have a pair
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of their headphones on a couple ofpairs of those great headphones. I mean,
this isn't a pair of this isbare dynamic headphones I have here.
But these are the headphones I havethat stay with this desk. They don't
go anywhere the audio technically, Imean, great microphones grab and they're cheaper.
Tragic on. There you go,magpoleil Yeah, you go, Magpole
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magazines. I wouldn't. That's allI run. I'm pretty much that's all
I have. From my AAR fifteen, I realized all I have is p
megs I have. I have acouple dozen p mags. Just that's it,
like a couple eighty of them,a couple of eighty. Yeah,
I got a stack or two forsure. Anyway, I think that would
probably be the most I tried toget all the way. Peo. It
was like anything from Ali Baba thatI can make electronics with. I don't
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