March 17, 2024 • 45 mins
The Boys ask the following questions. What is the likelihood that SHTF? How bad will the scenario be? What do you need to prepare for?
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Hey, I'm let and welcome toUnsuppressed, the podcast that likes to say
whatever we want. That's an interestingway of putting in. Shout out everyone
Aftermath to Joys for that webinar yesterday. Avery kind of got like baptized by
fire. He hadn't been in anyone of those discussions, and so it
was mainly focused on the paranormal andconspiracy theory side of things from Aftermath,
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which is usually that's a majority ofthe shows on Aftermath, and so Avery
kind of found out what we're allabout. And yeah, like I said,
I was texting and I just kindof said, that's what makes us
special is that we are in thatworld on Aftermath were the different guys,
We're the weirdos. Well, notthat I erupt you, Wes, but
I will say this that probably becauseAvery was involved in that discussion, he's
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probably already started developing a proton packand the ability to capture ghosts in the
event that there is a revenue seekingpotential and maybe would have some gray suits
and everything for too long, right, jumpsuits exactly, just coveralls for sure.
Yeah, would be pretty cool.Yeah, So that was all fun
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to get the chance to talk toyou guys, and I'm get to hear
from everybody, so it was alot of fun. So uh shout to
everyone on a math who joined thatit was yes, did we get any
questions because early no, No,Unfortunately, I think you had that one.
So I had asked you a quickquestion at the beginning and that was
it. So I just kind oflet everyone know that you couldn't you couldn't
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hang out, and you said goodbye, and because you had to go pack,
I think you said so that noone was upset. People are pretty
okay. It was a two hourtalk. It's kind of it's kind of
a lot to expect someone to sitdown for two hours out of their afternoon.
And I told him that that Patrickand Bill couldn't make it because they're
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busy working with business business. Oddlyenough, though the fact of the matter
is is that they were probably sohappy because when avery answer is a question
while on unsuppressed, it is sothorough there's nothing less to ask. Yeah,
and so I want to transition.We're gonna talk about that. I
like this is something that people actuallyhave been wanting. So we talk about
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preparedness and that's something we're you know, we've kind of danced around this this
idea of this topic, but wenever really get into it. So when
people think about preparedness, there's there'sdifferent ideas of what is prepared. So
I think that you have to bebasically a prepper and have an entire basement
of your house turned into a bombshelter loaded with just hundreds of pounds of
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food, thousands of pounds of water, hundreds of thousands of rounds of ammunition.
They assume that you need to havethat in order to survive something.
Well, that's in some circumstances overprepared. So what we did was if
we kind of sat down came upwith kind of like a list of tiers
of bad days scenarios where shit hitsthe fan, and those can range from
something small and personal to the worldwidecrisis we had with COVID nineteen and even
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that there are some people probably wereover prepared for that. So we want
to talk about what you need toprepare for those and what the likelihoods might
look like. And this is goingto very depend upon where you are,
geography, city, oh yeah,state, wherever you are, it's going
to vary and for them, forsome of those of you who might be
listening outside the country might have somethingcompletely different than what we might experience here
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in the States. But we willfocus mainly on the States, and we
can only really speak for ourselves becausethat makes more sense. So, Bill,
did you want to go ahead andstart things out for us here today?
Well, I'll say this, thechance is, like I think avery
is dead on He and I shareof like mind. The likelihood of an
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EMP in the United States, likethe worst, worst, worst case scenario,
absolutely everything falls apart, the wholecountries and shambles and we're in World
War three. That's probably not thescenario that you can really be prepared for.
It's going to be something that goessomewhere between individual because the avery establishing
the individual. Then it's community citylike egos, neighborhood, city, state
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or county state, you know,accessories that way, I would say maybe
to the state level problem is whereprobably you're going to kind of tip out
your ability to actually deal with asituation like and that would be the maximum
unless you're part of some greater communityeffort. Because most of the time,
when I look at personal preparedness orcapabilities, it's less about the tools that
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I have that are at my disposal, but about the skill sets I've developed
and how to do analysis of what'shappening so I can be put myself in
the position to be an asset towherever I'm pitching in at right, So
how would you I mean, isthat kind of the way you approach it
in terms you have your basis ofitems, right, which is stuff that
you're going to have. I thinka couple of things to note is that
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there's two different things to consider whenyou're talking about an event whatever it may
be, whether it's individual or not, but it's the individual or it's the
individual's ability to sustain and let's sayexist, and then there's also contributing to
recovery of the event. So sometimesthose are one and the same person like
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one easily easily digestible. So youlose a job, you go get a
job, right, that's the individuallevel. That's a natural that's a disaster
that happens on the individual level.Would be like let's say losing a job,
Okay, well you're just going togo get another job, right,
Hopefully, hopefully you can just goout and do that. But let's say
you're a talk like you said,Bill, you're at a state level and
there's an event, well, thenyou have to be able to sustain yourself
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and also contribute to the recovery ofset event. Right, And so when
I would say that at that pointat a state level, you're probably the
only thing you could really do ismove resources and communicate via ham radios,
I think those are that's not truenow that I think about it. Let's
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let's get into state stuff after weyeah, after week and on that.
So for individual things like losing yourjob, I would always suggest building up
an emergency fund in your bank account. So for me, I have two
checking in two savings accounts. Ihave one savings account that's my emergency fund
that has enough to last me forrent and then for a month in case
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something happens, right, so youhave to go a month without having an
income, and it helped me out. Back in twent nineteen, I had
a situation where I had a wholemonth where I didn't get a paycheck,
and that helped sustain me and keepme through. And so that's important to
have. Dave Ramsey teaches that havingthat emergency fund and that provides a lot
of security for people when you havesomething like that going on, and then
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yeah, Bill, I'd like toadd to that. So in the context
of finance as finances, it doesit Now if you're a person that's not
in a position where you have lotsof money, like if it's something you
don't have, Let's say you're youdon't have the resources to say, have
the reny day fund where I haveten thousand dollars in that rainy day fund
to sustain that is where you needto solicit having like a credit card,
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with credit cards that have volume,you start creating credit volume having like a
ten dollars balance on them, andit will start solving your financial problems.
But it also provides you the opportunity, there's something goes hellified wrong, you
do have a means Like it's notthe best opportunity, but it is a
way because you can do some typeof transaction, and even if an electronic
transaction is going to be rarefied thatunless everything falls apart, there's going to
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be a way likely to conduct electronictransactions in some way shape for so,
sorry to starty to butt in there, Well, that's fine, that's a
great addition there. It's another thingthing about for an individual crisis, might
be a family member dying. Backwhen I did mortgage collections, that was
something that a lot of the excusesfor people to be delinquent on their mortgage
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someone died. Also, divorce,that was not a common one. Death,
divorce, and disease. Those arethe three three big d's, and
they they would tell us about andevery now and then you might have something
else and they're like, someone losttheir business or what might be, But
typically it's some passes away and itcauses major issues. Other examples of the
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individual crisis might be you're out hikingand you break your leg and now you
and your buddy have to figure outhow get you out, or maybe your
buddy breaks his like, now youhave to figure out how to get out
of there. So that would bea more dangerous scenario, but that is
still a personal crisis that they couldhappen or get mulled by a bear a
lot more rare, but it canhappen. It has happened. Being attacked
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by bigfoot. Yeah, yes,I had a friend who actually went on
a hike at two o'clock in themorning. Why he went out at two
o'clock in the morning. I haveno idea that he rolled his ankle and
broke his leg. It was acompound fracture and he had to crawl his
way out a mile and a half. I heard a story where a guy
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was out as a kid, outhiking with the twenty two and he dropped
it and shot himself, and itwas one of those scenarios. Actually did
ricochet inside of his body a coupleof times, and it disabled his legs
and he had to crawl, andeventually his sister found him, walked up
the trail and found him. So, yeah, don't go out in the
woods alone, kids. Oh well, you know, and now that we're
talking about some gruesome shit, Myuncle and my cousin they were hunting out
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up and out Eureka right longness ismany many years ago. They're both passed.
But my uncle got hit by astray round, a hunting round and
basically cut him almost in half.It spilled his guts right and they were
holding him together. He had torun out to a place, and this
is before cell phones, had torun like eight miles down into a town
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to call for help and then torun back and then to get help to
come back up and it did savehis life after like multiple surgeries, but
no personal emergency. So yes,favor. So I would like to say
that you should when planning for anindependent disaster, individual disasters like jobs or
divorce or things like that. Wellmaybe not divorce, but two is one,
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one is none definitely applies to thatinstance. So you know, having
two sources of income that are unrelatedis a great idea, you know,
a side hustle, if you will. And it seems like in this day
and age everybody has to have aside hustle in order to make ends meet.
But the nice thing about already havinga side hustle established is you can
just put more energy into it hopefullyand be able to you know, make
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up at least some of the lostrevenue. So other things like like you
said, having money saved up,having a credit card just in the event.
You know, these different options provideyou a flexibility to maneuver inside of
the disaster and hopefully create a quickrecovery. Moving on to the larger areas
would be like a natural disaster inthe floodplain. Let's say your house is
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in a floodplain something like that.Having an egress plan different things like that,
having resources like a generator so youcan help everybody keep their food cold.
You can move the generator around everycouple hours and in the neighborhood in
like a block area, and allyour neighbors can keep their food cold,
things like that, keep their devicescharged, whatnot. And also coming up
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with alternative means of communication. Sothat means having like a comm's box with
a bunch of BOFANG radios or FRSradios in it that you can deploy to
your neighbors and you can kind ofcreate a neighborhood watch that way, and
if there's some nefarious people coming aroundyou, at least all have communications with
each other. Yeah, so you'rekind of moving it into like the local
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community, which is so that'd belike for me, I guess my local
community like my apartment complex right here, people that I know, that you
know aren't going to rip me off. That are good people that are right
there. Maybe some people in thehouses around my apartment complex. I would
consider it to be my local community. So one to two square blocks around
you are if you're in a bigapartment building, everyone in that building with
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you. Those are the people whereyou want to make sure that they're good
because if they fuck up and starta graasefire, your whole building goes down.
So it's true. I would liketo add in this is an interesting
you know, because you're bringing upsetsvery interesting in terms of role selection and
what you're going to be part ofin something like a natural disaster. How
do you self? You know,you have to you need to use skills
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that are inherent to you. It'snot something you rise to the occasion to.
It's something you fall to your trainingto whatever your skill set is.
So like like there's people like Averywho are multi faceted or West multi facet
is that type of thing that there'sskill sets that are like, hey,
I understand how to do the logistics, I understand the communication stuff. I'll
start organizing how to set up asecurity situation because EMS has failed those type
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of things in a community. Now, if you have no experience with that,
it's going to be a little bitharder gradient to pick that up.
You know, you need to letpeople who have the skill sets as long
as they're not fucking crazy. Butyou know, as long as it's like
they're normal people, you'll have bettersuccess. So if it's something like this
guy said it was great. Youknow what if you're not physically capable of
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actually, you know what if you'rewheelchair bound, but you have a great
mind and you're able to you knowyour or if you have you have communication
stuff, you have a knowledge basethere, then you become the You become
the base. You start working allyour logistics. So you need to understand
your role. Selection too, isnot everybody is. Look, the number
of people who are going to benecessary to pull security are probably not going
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to be nearly as many as thatneed to pitch in and help people,
like you'll fill sandbags or something likethat to solve a problem. So shooting
is the glorious part, right,the last thing you ever want to do,
So that's I mean, that's theleast thing you want to have.
So you're probably more likely to needto fill up some sandbags and you are
to load some magazines I spent.I mean when when everything turned off and
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we were helping work on fires,I mean that's what you became an instant
fireman. But we worked without acapacity of something I knew how to do.
I knew how to drive trucks,I know how to do all that
stuff. So we were running watertrucks and that's completely reasonable. Then I
did other stuff at night from adifferent capacity, but while there was work
to happen, you did that part. So I mean that's what I'm saying,
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Like, you got to you haveto understand the role or the tools
that you bring to the table.You're not going to be like, well,
you know, I I play callof duty and I'm now going to
be an operator. That's what I'mgoing to do now, Like I don't,
It doesn't make sense. So justyou know, set realistic goals and
you know, and don't expect everybodyto be the enemy. And that environment
either, most people are just likeyou. They're like what the hell is
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going on? Exactly? Yeah,And that kind of brings it because you
have that scenario. Bill. Ifyou want to talk a little bit about
what you went through in twenty twentywith the big fires, I mean you
mentioned a little bit there, butthat that was a city wide problem.
So I think you have a reallygood example there of a multi city you
know, multi city, multi city. But let's just say that because that
was your your entire town was involved. I mean, that was that was
more of a state they could kindof go into state crisis as well.
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But for your perspective on a citycrisis, when you're in town was given
a evacuation order, what was whatwas that like for you as someone living
in that, Like, I mean, it isn't technologure shock. Yeah,
how many people live there? Likewhat twelve thousand, two thousand? Okay,
I see is less than twenty Sotwelve thousand people. So's that is
a small town. So people likethat live out in like Es Decada,
who get evacuated every year because somebodylike sets the side of the hill on
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fire, you know that type ofthing. That's a little bit more of
a known situation. But for wherewe lived, like Avery, I don't
know if you were living there specificallyright there at the time when everything I
was taken out. Okay, Soit's the same idea. It's like,
well you're like, wait a minute, you start doing a critical analysis,
like what, like does this makeany sense? Well, let's let's take
all the politics out of it.Let's just look at it as a crisis,
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like a fire crisis. Well,if EMS is leaving and they're saying
you need to leave because everything's goingto burn down, there's a little bit
of culture shock there, and youdo have to do a self assessment and
go, well, am I goingto let this happen to my home if
I can avoid it? Am Iwilling to put myself in harm's way?
And then you go try to bean asset to your community. And that's
what ended up happening. There's probablyI don't know, three hundred people or
so out of twelve thousand that wereactually actively really trying and doing stuff.
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So and those people that, likethe people who are out you know,
cutting snags and falling breaks and allthat stuff, those guys are heroes.
I'm just a dipshit that you know, did fire abatement then, nothing like
what those guys were doing. So, but it's the same principle. Everybody
went in with the capacity with whatthey had, because not everybody knows how
to do what I do, butI don't know how to do what they
were doing. So everybody was usingtheir combined skills to just help out the
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best they could. And there wasa big mental gymnastic I mean, you
know, there were some private conversationsAvery and I had really interesting ones that
were very you know, it waslike, hey, man, it was
like game on. You got togo do something because no one else is
going to do it. And Ithink that's a huge part. Very few
people or there is an expectation,I think is in society that somebody else
will take care of it. Andat a given point, sometimes you just
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got to go do the thing.And that's where you have to be able
to have a gut check because you'renot going to be told come help,
go help. You have to makea decision. I am now doing this
and I'm now getting involved, andthen all of a sudden things will opportunities
wild. That was my experience.I remember that was going on. I
kind of thought to myself like shouldI. I had people ask and I
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said, so, yeah, therewere things I did. Hey man,
I'll come out there. I'm like, nope, that's that's not a thing.
What we're doing right now is isnot something that you're going to be
able to operate in the capacity.It's going to be functional. It's just
going to be a situation you couldput yourself at risk and it's not going
to be any no reason. Yeah, and the smoke was just awful.
And so that's how I keep Ikeep a couple of respirators in my house.
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Now I've got one that this fullface protection one that just does you
keep telling me that's how you getshot in my neighborhood if you wear one
that it's bad enough that it warrantsit. You needed that. Oh it
was awful, man. Yeah,like I got black lung. I'm sure
I probably. I'm like, what'shis face? Blue steel or whatever?
Yeah, you know you got blacklung in one day. No, it
was brutal. And it's like Ididn't realize that I was going to,
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you know, smoke for like aweek straight like a professional. Like this
is like some like Jackie Gleason levelsmoking. Yeah, signed it seriously was
like you were you were just breathingin cigarette smoke and it was it was
find it looks like it looked likefog though, like I would go out
of remember driving it and going likeit looks like fog. But then you
step out you smell it. It'sjust it's like walking into a bar where
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they still love smoking. It's justlike it just burns sort of. It's
smell like a huge campfire, themulti ultimate campfire, ever, not a
happy one. But you know,look I don't want to. I want
to focus on that part. Ithink that I think that what I would
I would consider that a community situation, at the community level problem. It
was a state level issue, butit was it was it was distilled down
to a community problem. But individualswill want to focus on a subduction zone
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quick. They will focus on thosetype of things, like with the whole
fucking state is going to be destroyed. How do you I mean, where
do you go from there? Avery? If you were looking at that,
like on the individual level, howdo you like, I mean, you
can't really prepare for society completely stopping, like not not in total and for
and you're talking about sustainment. Well, i'll add before Avery, I want
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every to answer this. But theyare going to do what's the word they
used for Clyde was talking about itthis week, But they're going to do
a training exercise to prepare for aneleven point one in the Pacific Northwest.
And the caldera blows up when whenthey call that done goes away. Yeah,
bridges. But they're saying that thatOregon and Washington all the way down
to northern California are going to experienceeleven point one earthquake when that caldera in
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Yellowstone explodes. And so they're goingto be doing I can want to say,
gain function. My brain's farting rightnow, so I can't remember the
But they're going to do preparation exerciseswhere they do like now we do training
scenarios. You know, they're goingto do that. They're going to tabletop
exercises, that's what they're called.So they're gonna do a tabletop exercise this
year about how to handle that.And the thing is is that the year
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before COVID nineteen became a thing,they did a tabletop exercise on a on
a flu pandemic. So I'm gonnalaugh because I just saw Avery's eyes and
I saw when you said like atabletop he was, I know what he
thought. He goes, all right, So you take the sand table the
shit out of him, and that'swhat's left. It's gonna be warhammer for
World Economic Forum nerds. Everything isjust destroyed. Well, I can tell
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you with certainty eleven point one,there's nothing. Every building is destroyed,
all built, all everything. Ifyou live in a teepee, you're still
in fucking danger because chances are something'sgonna fall on you. Oh trees,
my apartment's gonna clapse on my head. Ye oh, go ahead, all
right, now we just trauma dumpedall over you. So I actually have
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a little bit of history with this. So after our second deployment, which
was what twenty ten something like that, nine tens, I think they kind
of realized that the era of deploymentswas kind of coming to an end for
the state of Oregon, and sothey're trying to figure out how they can
get more money brought into the state. The only thing, yeah, new
missions. So the only thing theycould come up with was this Cascadia subduction
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zone nonsense, right, okay,And so they're they're doing this whole thing
where they're doing tabletop exercises they haveand all the departments come together and all
this stuff. And I had aseries of questions that I thought were pretty
good that really made me realize thatthey had no idea what they were doing.
So let me let me say this, I said. I said to
them, I says to them,how many soldiers? Because I was in
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the National Guard at the time,and the National Guards what responds or who
responds to these types of disasters?I said, what's the percentage do you
think of soldiers that are going toshow up at the armory seventy two within
seventy two hours of a natural disaster? And they said eighty percent. I
said, oh, you think eightypercent of the soldiers who have families and
kids and jobs, and some ofthem are first responders, are going to
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show up to the armories with theseventy two hours so they can put a
uniform on and start doing things.Yes, I'm like, okay, okay,
sure, yeah, hold on youright, yeah, definitely not.
I was like, okay, let'slet's let's be more realistic. Let's riddle
me this. Let's say ten percent, but let's say forty percent. Forty
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percent for my for this train ofthought, let's say forty percent show up.
Okay, So that's roughly forty people. Forty people who have been displaced
by there by the natural disaster,and now they have their family with them
at an armory that doesn't have anyresources. What are you going to do?
Yeah? What are you going todo? With kids and wives?
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Mostly at these armories? Didn't havea plan, no idea, no no
solution. Okay, great, Sowhen Katrina happened, we shipped all of
our MRIs down to Louisiana, whichmeant we didn't have any MRIs for US
soldiers that were mobilizing. So that'skind of the logic that they have there,
right so, and then and thenand then I said, awesome.
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Then I also asked the question.I said, how many soldiers deployed to
Louisiana during that disaster? They said, not very many. They're they're either
deployed currently that they had a Ithink they had a battalion or brigade or
something that was deployed, or theywere not able to deploy to the state
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and do things because most of theirequipment was underwater. Said okay, so
why do we think that we're goingto be any different in this situation?
And so those simple things made merealize that they were just trying to do
this for a money grab. Theyweren't trying to actually come up with a
realistic plan. Is because I said, okay, well, let's come up
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with a plan. So where areyou going to park the RVs when all
the soldiers show up with their families, where are you going to put them?
What's the care plan for that?Are you going to allow civilians to
come in there and park there toothat are unrelated to the military, because
these are all questions of what wouldprobably happen in the event that an armory
becomes a hub for resources. Peopleare going to want to gravitate to those
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resources. So I said, thebest case scenario is State of Oregon responds
to a sister state in the eventof a disaster. You're not going to
be deploying your assets inside of thestate because they're going to be under dirt.
You're going to have to have aproblem from another state that actually still
has their logistic train in place.Yeah, that's that was my thought because
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we discussed this long time ago,because it was like I and the funny
thing is everybody, I'm sure thatthis is exactly what everybody thought. You're
a hater. Why you poking holesin our plan of action. We're the
brightest minds and you're over here likeyou guys don't even have the light bulb
turned on. You're not even thinking, you're not seeing the reality. You're
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not hirings officers. They know whatthey're talking about. Well, I mean,
when you start talking about a subductionzone quake, you're like, well,
I hope. I hope, likeplaces like Montana National Guard and anything
that's on the interior, that wouldbe the closest first response that they could
have, maybe the lift capability becausethe roads aren't going to be there.
You're only yeah, I mean,you can easily come up with a plan,
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and the plan would look something likethat, where these different states have
have agreements yeah, caprosity, yeah, yeah, cross platform agreements where if
we get activated, these are theresources we have, and each state knows
what those other states have available.So in the event that something happens to
like well, we can probably trustthat Montana or whatever, Utah will be
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able to provide us with X,Y and Z. Therefore, we need
to outsource two government contracts for theother things that we're gonna need in order
to put the bridges back up,or or let's say Utah for example,
has an engineer unit. Well thatyour guys' role number one is to get
the roads back up, get Ifive and you know, eighty twenty two
back up and running whatever it takes. That's your job. That's all you
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need to do. As soon assomething happens, your job is to deploy.
We don't even have to talk toyou. You know, you're just
going to start driving and fix thoseroads. But you think that, you
think that eight hundred infantry soldiers aregoing to like what are they going to
do in the state of Oregon whentheir families are displaced? Just like everybody
else, Like, they're going tobe so realistic, They're going to be
busy trying to survive. Yeah,I mean, and I think that's what
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I think a lot of people losetheir perspective on. They're like, look,
if it's happening to you, andthe only way you're able to self
self activate is if you have themeans and the capability still in place to
self activate, and then and thenyou still have to go to a There
was a group of people who selfactivated and created up a community plan,
a central discussion point, and thenpeople started checking in and they started dispersing,
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you know, doing the logistics work. I mean I was not in
that. I mean I showed upto that in that capacity and we got
told, hey, go over here, do this, okay, cool,
I mean, somebody has to therehas to be a means. And it
was not a government agency that wasdoing it, and I mean the National
Guard was not activated. I meanthey were, but in a completely different
place like they were down south Ithink. But within the scope of like
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Katrina, how many different states showedup that Are you even aware how many
different style I know before, butwhat I saw more than anything else,
for different law enforcement agencies deployed downthere. So we had like New York
and a bunch of different agencies,Like there would be just like a squad
of cops from some place that wouldjust show up and they would like wild
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West style, just going after it. Yeah, there's a down on Bourbon
Street. There was this like largeparking area and they had converted that some
church natural disaster response uh nonprofit wasdown there providing food and so you could
show up there three times a dayfor breakfast, lunch, and dinner obviously,
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and so the different agencies would showup there and would get fed from
them, and that was kind oflike the logistics that was set up.
I have any idea, Do youhave any idea how the community self the
community self help, like how thatnonprofit was able to put that together?
Do you have anyone? Well,I mean they weren't from there, they
weren't from there. There there's somenational level you know, so they brought
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the and all their assets. Yeah, they had they had a bunch of
trailers that had kitchens in them,and then they had a big circus tent
that they erected, I'm sure theybrought with them. And then they just
had reefers. They had one,I think they had one or two reefers
that were permanently like there, andthen they just restocked them with Holy yes,
that's amazing. Actually, that's actuallyreally impressive. So one of the
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things I really that I really tookaway from probably mentioned it on the show
before, was after that had happened, so you see all the logistics that's
generated. Right, So, likeI broke into a fire station that was
abandoned. I broke into this firestation to get diesel for our vehicles when
because once our airplane landed, weonly had a half a tank because you
can't fly with full tanks of gas, so we only had half a tank
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of gas. So I went toa gas a fire station and stole a
bunch of diesel fuel. All thisis legal, wired we were under orders
to go get gas and everything wasabandoned at that point. So anyways,
I went in there and ironically thelock to the diesel tank was already cut.
Somebody else said already had the sameidea. So we filled up all
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the trucks and I found every containerI possibly could to build up so that
we had some fuel with us.Anyways, all the different needs for logistics
started popping up there on a largelevel, like these nonprofits and whatnot.
But then when we went to asmaller parish after Katrina happened, and it
was like Irene or whatever. Theother one, the smaller one was we
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left New Orleans and when we leftthere, we went to this other parish
and everything was identical except smaller.So, for example, the communications was
some ham operator sitting inside of thevolunteer fire station and all the wives and
moms of the fire department people werebringing trays of food in and so you
just walk down the hallway and there'sall this food and you could eat whatever
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you want to eat. So itwas interesting to see everything mirrored, but
on a different level. It managedat a different level from you know,
big large nonprofits to peer control wherethere's neighborhoods that are or small small community
groups are putting together. That wasmy experience. It was a small community
group and the way they were tryingto help people's So that's very fascinating actually,
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So I mean now as an individual, okay, so let's track back
once. So as an individual throughthe experience that you had in a flood
zone, which a flood zone issomething that is prevalent where we live to
it's something that's real. What aresome tools that you would suggest people have,
just things you probably need. Well, so I always say you should
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bug in instead of bugging out.With that said, you should have a
bug out plan. And with thebug out plan, it should be four
directions, so north, southeast,and west. So depending on the situation
that happens, you should have preestablished points in what you're going to go
to. So some people are like, well, I'm just going to the
hills, Well, okay, butthere's no resources up there for you.
Maybe firewood if you're in the rightplace, you know, but you're exposed
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the elements. So what I suggestis that you have a friend roughly within
a half a tank of gas ormore. But I try to keep the
radius of a half a tank ofgas half a tank of gas so that
you have a little bit of leeway. Right, Let's assume you have some
spare fuel or you can get somefuel or something like that. Chances are
you have at least have to takea guess. So that's about one hundred
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and fifty miles away or so roughly. Okay, So try and find friends
that you can set up a relationship. You have a relationship with where you
can say, hey, if somethinghappens, you mind if I just come
park out in your front yard withmy truck or you know, in my
van or whatever. And the eventsomething happens, until things settle down,
and chances are they'll be like,yeah, absolutely, I have a guest
room, more than welcome to usethat. But worst case scenario, like
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I just need a park. Ijust need a place where I can be
fairly safe, don't worry about myship getting stolen. And you do that
north south east west and then havea packing list built and ready to go,
and then you're going to go.You have a plan. Yeah,
And so I would say, maybefollow your into your packing list that you
have there, but you get itgive us in the previous episode. Yeah,
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I don't know if I have myoverlanding stuff on there yet, but
the overlanding stuff I just because I'mmoving. I just restocked all my overlanding
stuff and I realized I should updatethat list as well, so that you
know, like when you go toload your car up, like, oh,
we're probably going to need some awningsor tarps or things to be able
to create shelter other than the vehicle. So we didn't talk about power management.
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Can I mention something real quick?I know it's off topic, but
real quick. So last time wetalked about power and not having power and
stuff like that. So what peopledon't realize is everybody has a generator.
Well most people have a generator andit's their car. So your car obviously
makes twelve electricity so you can keepyour devices topped off and whatnot. But
you can actually get an inver,like a three thousand watt inver and plug
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it in and running extension cord toyour fridge or to you know, whatever
it is that you want to runit to in order to provide power so
that you can intermittently keep things coldor charged or whatever the cases. And
a lot of people forget that.A lot of people think they're going to
need to spend a thousand dollars ona generator when an actuality. You just
need forty bucks for an inver whichwould be a good idea to keep in
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your car. Anyways, sometimes you'retraveling your laptop or you need an electronic
device to plug into and having aninvert it comes in really handy. Did
your Tundra come with an inverter?Mine has a factory one. No,
those inverts are pretty weak. They'reonly like one hundred and fifty wats or
something like that, which, like, what am I going to do with
that? I install the three thousandwad into the bed of my truck.
It's this big brick one and Iused it twice, but I had it,
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so I installed it. Use it. Yeah for sure, I have
a generator and I have a babyinverter, and then I'm going to end
up investing in a bigger inverter becausegetting powers clean. Yeah. Yeah.
You know what actually I found moreimpressive is these one hundred and thirty watt
cigarette lighter adapters to USBC. Soif you have like an electronic device like
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a laptop or something and you needto charge it, you can use the
USB C on most small laptops thesedays, and you can charge your laptop
that way. And that little littletiny cigarette lighter adapter usually goes to one
hundred and thirty watts and it's man, it'll charge your phone really quick.
Yeah, yeah, I have.I have one that's like it's it's like
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it's based in amperage is the wayit says that. And I use it
the truck all the time. It'slike, yeah, you have five minutes
and your phone's at half. It'slike, oh, well, in like
fifteen minutes, your phone's all theway back up. You're like, okay,
I mean the phone is like ona fire. It's a little warm.
Yeah. Yeah, I've been wantingto get one of those because the
things that it'll charge your phone,and it can use as a jumper for
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your car. It's like two jumpsand then it's dead. Yeah, a
little jumper pack. Yeah yeah.And so I just have have like a
car escape kit that's also a cigarettelighter adapter in a USB. It does
everything, so I haven't just kindof sitting there. But if I push
it all in it it activates andthen I have two USB ports on it,
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so I can charge two devices,charges them really fast, So it'll
charge my phone in like ten tofifteen minutes and then you pull it out
and on the tip it actually hasa kind of steel like nail stud and
then you can use that to breaka win shield to escape your car.
And then it has a little loopon the top. The inside has a
razor inside of it, and thenyou can use it to cut your ze
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belt. Yeah, so it's soyou roll your car, you're stuck in
there, you just grab it,pull it out your You've got everything you
need to get out of your car. And then it also charges. The
only thing it doesn't do is makeJulian fries. But well that's well,
you know, not that for tendollars from brick Stone. So I do
have an observation though about because Iknow we've talked about go bags and exit
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strategy stuff that type of that typeof item. There is some cross some
cross training capability with your go bag. So I'd like to wait on that
because that's something that everybody likes tofocus in on. There's well, we
talked about it in the last coupleepisodes, like spirit systems and everybody has
their own juice and then you know, you have a packing list. It's
a functional thing. But the realityis is that if you use that if
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you have those items, and whatis what is the chance of you putting
in the practice? Very often notvery high, you know, because most
people pack it and forget it.But if you do something like you go
rock a little bit like use aspart as your workout program, so you
start creating personal capability, You startshedding off some of those pounds, start
developing better. You know, Look, you get older, it's good for
(36:15):
your bones, it's good for yourjoints. Start doing those things, and
you get used to carrying that weight, right, and then you can start
looking at it. You'll unpack it, you'll pack it, become familiar with
it. You'll never forget what yougot, because how many times do you
have a bag You're like, Idon't know if the fuck's in there.
I have no idea, Like Iknow I have it, I've had it
forever, but I don't really remember. And all of a sudden you're like,
oh shit, there was a holein something, there's some mold on
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something, and you're like, well, I haven't kept up on it.
So as far as I'm a bigproponent of maintaining your personal capability, your
mental fitness, you always you neveryou know, how do you stay young.
You always stay learning. You alwayswant to learn something. You want
to stay in some type of capacity. Like we were watching drone stuff reach.
I'll bleed into that next, butlike things like having a really decent
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backpack and and you're going to usethat backpack, You're to walk around with
it. It doesn't mean you needto walk around the fucking hills, you
know, to go mountain climbing.It's not going alpine climbing, but it
does mean that you can go walkaround and use it, like at a
golf course or whatever you're going todo, if you're a normal trek with
your wife or whatever. And that'scompletely reasonable because you get a workout,
it's good for you, get yououtside, get you off your phone,
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get you paying attention to what's goingon around you. Those are tools that
you will inherently create. Now,we talked about drone usage and stuff offline,
of course, but last week wetalked about drones and then there were
some other Facebook groups that I actuallyasked avery to jump into because people ask
questions about something at that capacity andas far as use, and then you're
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seeing what's happening in the world allover the place. If you watch any
footage from Ukraine, you're seeing howthey're being employed very effectively in a combat
role. But as far as isrthat type of thing, how effective is
that avery would you say for doingpersonal survey? Like if you had stuff
going on, I mean, howeffective? How quiquickly could you deploy that?
(38:00):
Since you have you've already developed theskill set to use it, and
now you have the capacity, whatkind of how much of an asset does
that become? Oh? Yeah,it's massive. I mean instead of having
to drive or walk to an areato do a reconnaissance of it, you
can you know, fly the drone, you know, and that's pretty useful.
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There was actually up on the hillthere was a bunch of smoke coming
up and I was like, what, I don't think there's a house up
there, And so I actually flewmy drone up there just to see what
it was. And it was ahouse. Actually I didn't realize there was
a house up there, but therethey had a wood fire going in their
house and it was creating a tonof smoke. And so instead of calling
the cops or doing something done likethat, just flew the drone up there
(38:43):
to see what it was. So, yeah, it's absolutely critical to have
those capabilities. It's a combat multiplierA drone is Well. The reason I
brought that up, I essentially isbecause I was contacted by a friend.
They had a family friend that theywere concerned that may have committed to jumped
off a bridge kind of thing.Dive teams couldn't find them, blah blah
blah blah blah. They're like,well, we've rinted a helicopter. I'm
(39:05):
like, no, no, no, you need somebody like a drone service
that can get right down on fourK level and be able to look around
if you're looking for surface situations.And then we didn't even think of that.
And I'm like, well, Iwouldn't have thought of that shit either
if you wouldn't have been involved.You know. I was like, yeah,
a drone, it's a fantastic idea. So and I know there are
services out there that provide that typeof structure, so I help them do
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that. But I think it's Ithink we've reached a point where when technology
becomes so cost effective, I thinkyou start looking at and you need to
have that type of tool at yourdisposal. It's not just for like,
well we're trying to find you know, troops in contact. You know that's
not the idea, But you cansay I can stay safe where I'm at.
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You could conduct patrols around your areato see if anything's going on,
and you can use your Bao fangradio to tell your community, hey,
there's somebody doing this thing. Sothat goes into that capability of well,
you know what, if you don'thave the best physical fitness or you're not
in the best physical help, thatdoesn't mean you couldn't do that and you
could be a great asset. Sojust I know it's sidebar thinking, but
you know, it's something that Ithink people need to consider because you need
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to obviously once again evaluate the rolethat you could fill and be an asset
and not be like a detractor fromthe situation you don't want to be a
liability. Yeah, yep, exactly. Yeah, and interesting, this is
a multi phase We're going to dothis multiple times. Yeah. Yeah,
I think it might be helpful ifwe actually kind of get into maybe a
(40:35):
packing list and we could just jumpon Amazon and just look at different products
and avia if you want to giveus a ya and a thumbs up.
Thumbs down. We can kind oflike review them and then like shopping list
it. Right now, we're almostat a time. Yeah, we're at
forty minutes. Unless you want tofilm a secondary episode right after this,
we could do that, all right, No I don't. Yeah, the
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other crisis we have is a nationalcrisis and then a a world crisis.
I would say, let's to makeyou think of a natural crisis that effected
the entirety of the United States isnine to eleven, and that was really
mainly an ff A thing, likeyou couldn't fly anywhere, So I can't
think of anything it would. Imean, we had the freeze this last
month where everyone but that wasn't thatwasn't so bad Midwest. I mean they
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got some pretty bad cold and somesnow, but they had, you know,
they had their their snowplows to dealwith it, whereas here in Portland
we don't have as many snowplows.So some people just I would just like
to say on that you're realizing likethis is a trend now, right,
Like it's a trend to lose powerfor five days a year. Yeah,
that's normal, that's feeling infrastructure.Yeah, it's becoming a thing, So
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that's something to be considered or considered. You know, when winter time comes,
you know, it means you needto start making sure you have your
preps in place, so that youknow, you have two different heat sources
and two different power sources things likethat, so you're ready in the event
that it happened, whether it's oneday or five days or ten days,
depending on where you live. Yeah, I literally try to be less dependent
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on one single piece of electronic equipment. Like you know, I I know,
I started wearing a watch again justby by standard of I I need
to have a watch. I needto have you know, it's easier to
know the date. It's all thatstuff. What if my phone goes down?
What if there's a disruption? Sir? You start going all those different
directions. It's like it's like almostlike having like a GPS, but if
your phone goes if the if thecell if the cell towers are down,
(42:28):
and you have a GPS, yourGPS will still work. Yeah, or
or know how to do map partyor I understand, or having the toppos
for your region and doing I meanthat's shit I need to Yeah. Actually,
cell phones are are great because youcan use it as a flashlight.
You can use it as as aradio. You can jump on like vocks
or something like that. You cansend short messages, but once the cell
towers are down, you're fucked.Water purifire. So that's a good one
(42:51):
for communications, at least a radio. I mean, soft phone could work,
but something else these have a soutphone, see batteries one double A
start having stuff that you could trade, trading commodities and then world crisis.
I would say maybe like Apophice,if it doesn't miss us and it veer's
course and hits us, that couldbe a world crisis. Or for COVID
(43:12):
nineteen is a world crisis. Yeah, okay, Like, hey guys,
if we can hit by an asteroid, don't call us. These chances are
I'm not gonna be a available.Chances are we're already dead, you know.
I mean, look, you couldsay shark NATO is possible, but
I don't think it's probably. Imean they're saying if Yellowstone blows up in
our lifetime, that's gonna that's gonnacover the world with ash. Like that'll
be a bad deal. It willbe a happy day. It won't be
(43:35):
like a nuclear winter level, butthere'll be a cloudy day for everybody,
for there'll be a lot less people. So because when you have cold,
well, when you go into aice age, that means farming sustainability shrinks,
which means populations die off. Sothat's that's that's like a macro thing,
all right, So to the productassessment, So you're gonna wrap it
up. Is that what you wantto do? And how long do you
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think you'll take? We could probablydo that fifteen minutes now, an hour,
let's make let's make that the nextepisode. And you called that,
Oh yeah, that's fine. Hey, we're at forty five minutes now,
which is a solid episode, butan hour and forty five is a little
bit of a stretch. Well,I mean, so like we can talk
about the basis of that, allright, So let's just wrap this up
and we'll start another one. Yeah, we'll talk about that with the guys.
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You'll see it in another week.But yeah, that kind of covers
what we were able to kind ofcome up with is how to think as
far as crisis is, and thenwe'll get into the equipment you're going to
need to deal with those crisises andpersonal local City and so forth. But
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Hey, I'm let and welcome toUnsuppressed, the podcast that likes to say
whatever we want. That's an interestingway of putting in. Shout out everyone
Aftermath to Joys for that webinar yesterday. Avery kind of got like baptized by
fire. He hadn't been in anyone of those discussions, and so it
was mainly focused on the paranormal andconspiracy theory side of things from Aftermath,
(00:28):
which is usually that's a majority ofthe shows on Aftermath, and so Avery
kind of found out what we're allabout. And yeah, like I said,
I was texting and I just kindof said, that's what makes us
special is that we are in thatworld on Aftermath were the different guys,
We're the weirdos. Well, notthat I erupt you, Wes, but
I will say this that probably becauseAvery was involved in that discussion, he's
(00:50):
probably already started developing a proton packand the ability to capture ghosts in the
event that there is a revenue seekingpotential and maybe would have some gray suits
and everything for too long, right, jumpsuits exactly, just coveralls for sure.
Yeah, would be pretty cool.Yeah, So that was all fun
(01:11):
to get the chance to talk toyou guys, and I'm get to hear
from everybody, so it was alot of fun. So uh shout to
everyone on a math who joined thatit was yes, did we get any
questions because early no, No,Unfortunately, I think you had that one.
So I had asked you a quickquestion at the beginning and that was
it. So I just kind oflet everyone know that you couldn't you couldn't
(01:32):
hang out, and you said goodbye, and because you had to go pack,
I think you said so that noone was upset. People are pretty
okay. It was a two hourtalk. It's kind of it's kind of
a lot to expect someone to sitdown for two hours out of their afternoon.
And I told him that that Patrickand Bill couldn't make it because they're
(01:52):
busy working with business business. Oddlyenough, though the fact of the matter
is is that they were probably sohappy because when avery answer is a question
while on unsuppressed, it is sothorough there's nothing less to ask. Yeah,
and so I want to transition.We're gonna talk about that. I
like this is something that people actuallyhave been wanting. So we talk about
(02:13):
preparedness and that's something we're you know, we've kind of danced around this this
idea of this topic, but wenever really get into it. So when
people think about preparedness, there's there'sdifferent ideas of what is prepared. So
I think that you have to bebasically a prepper and have an entire basement
of your house turned into a bombshelter loaded with just hundreds of pounds of
(02:37):
food, thousands of pounds of water, hundreds of thousands of rounds of ammunition.
They assume that you need to havethat in order to survive something.
Well, that's in some circumstances overprepared. So what we did was if
we kind of sat down came upwith kind of like a list of tiers
of bad days scenarios where shit hitsthe fan, and those can range from
something small and personal to the worldwidecrisis we had with COVID nineteen and even
(03:02):
that there are some people probably wereover prepared for that. So we want
to talk about what you need toprepare for those and what the likelihoods might
look like. And this is goingto very depend upon where you are,
geography, city, oh yeah,state, wherever you are, it's going
to vary and for them, forsome of those of you who might be
listening outside the country might have somethingcompletely different than what we might experience here
(03:22):
in the States. But we willfocus mainly on the States, and we
can only really speak for ourselves becausethat makes more sense. So, Bill,
did you want to go ahead andstart things out for us here today?
Well, I'll say this, thechance is, like I think avery
is dead on He and I shareof like mind. The likelihood of an
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EMP in the United States, likethe worst, worst, worst case scenario,
absolutely everything falls apart, the wholecountries and shambles and we're in World
War three. That's probably not thescenario that you can really be prepared for.
It's going to be something that goessomewhere between individual because the avery establishing
the individual. Then it's community citylike egos, neighborhood, city, state
(04:10):
or county state, you know,accessories that way, I would say maybe
to the state level problem is whereprobably you're going to kind of tip out
your ability to actually deal with asituation like and that would be the maximum
unless you're part of some greater communityeffort. Because most of the time,
when I look at personal preparedness orcapabilities, it's less about the tools that
(04:34):
I have that are at my disposal, but about the skill sets I've developed
and how to do analysis of what'shappening so I can be put myself in
the position to be an asset towherever I'm pitching in at right, So
how would you I mean, isthat kind of the way you approach it
in terms you have your basis ofitems, right, which is stuff that
you're going to have. I thinka couple of things to note is that
(04:57):
there's two different things to consider whenyou're talking about an event whatever it may
be, whether it's individual or not, but it's the individual or it's the
individual's ability to sustain and let's sayexist, and then there's also contributing to
recovery of the event. So sometimesthose are one and the same person like
(05:19):
one easily easily digestible. So youlose a job, you go get a
job, right, that's the individuallevel. That's a natural that's a disaster
that happens on the individual level.Would be like let's say losing a job,
Okay, well you're just going togo get another job, right,
Hopefully, hopefully you can just goout and do that. But let's say
you're a talk like you said,Bill, you're at a state level and
there's an event, well, thenyou have to be able to sustain yourself
(05:40):
and also contribute to the recovery ofset event. Right, And so when
I would say that at that pointat a state level, you're probably the
only thing you could really do ismove resources and communicate via ham radios,
I think those are that's not truenow that I think about it. Let's
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let's get into state stuff after weyeah, after week and on that.
So for individual things like losing yourjob, I would always suggest building up
an emergency fund in your bank account. So for me, I have two
checking in two savings accounts. Ihave one savings account that's my emergency fund
that has enough to last me forrent and then for a month in case
(06:24):
something happens, right, so youhave to go a month without having an
income, and it helped me out. Back in twent nineteen, I had
a situation where I had a wholemonth where I didn't get a paycheck,
and that helped sustain me and keepme through. And so that's important to
have. Dave Ramsey teaches that havingthat emergency fund and that provides a lot
of security for people when you havesomething like that going on, and then
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yeah, Bill, I'd like toadd to that. So in the context
of finance as finances, it doesit Now if you're a person that's not
in a position where you have lotsof money, like if it's something you
don't have, Let's say you're youdon't have the resources to say, have
the reny day fund where I haveten thousand dollars in that rainy day fund
to sustain that is where you needto solicit having like a credit card,
(07:06):
with credit cards that have volume,you start creating credit volume having like a
ten dollars balance on them, andit will start solving your financial problems.
But it also provides you the opportunity, there's something goes hellified wrong, you
do have a means Like it's notthe best opportunity, but it is a
way because you can do some typeof transaction, and even if an electronic
transaction is going to be rarefied thatunless everything falls apart, there's going to
(07:30):
be a way likely to conduct electronictransactions in some way shape for so,
sorry to starty to butt in there, Well, that's fine, that's a
great addition there. It's another thingthing about for an individual crisis, might
be a family member dying. Backwhen I did mortgage collections, that was
something that a lot of the excusesfor people to be delinquent on their mortgage
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someone died. Also, divorce,that was not a common one. Death,
divorce, and disease. Those arethe three three big d's, and
they they would tell us about andevery now and then you might have something
else and they're like, someone losttheir business or what might be, But
typically it's some passes away and itcauses major issues. Other examples of the
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individual crisis might be you're out hikingand you break your leg and now you
and your buddy have to figure outhow get you out, or maybe your
buddy breaks his like, now youhave to figure out how to get out
of there. So that would bea more dangerous scenario, but that is
still a personal crisis that they couldhappen or get mulled by a bear a
lot more rare, but it canhappen. It has happened. Being attacked
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by bigfoot. Yeah, yes,I had a friend who actually went on
a hike at two o'clock in themorning. Why he went out at two
o'clock in the morning. I haveno idea that he rolled his ankle and
broke his leg. It was acompound fracture and he had to crawl his
way out a mile and a half. I heard a story where a guy
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was out as a kid, outhiking with the twenty two and he dropped
it and shot himself, and itwas one of those scenarios. Actually did
ricochet inside of his body a coupleof times, and it disabled his legs
and he had to crawl, andeventually his sister found him, walked up
the trail and found him. So, yeah, don't go out in the
woods alone, kids. Oh well, you know, and now that we're
talking about some gruesome shit, Myuncle and my cousin they were hunting out
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up and out Eureka right longness ismany many years ago. They're both passed.
But my uncle got hit by astray round, a hunting round and
basically cut him almost in half.It spilled his guts right and they were
holding him together. He had torun out to a place, and this
is before cell phones, had torun like eight miles down into a town
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to call for help and then torun back and then to get help to
come back up and it did savehis life after like multiple surgeries, but
no personal emergency. So yes,favor. So I would like to say
that you should when planning for anindependent disaster, individual disasters like jobs or
divorce or things like that. Wellmaybe not divorce, but two is one,
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one is none definitely applies to thatinstance. So you know, having
two sources of income that are unrelatedis a great idea, you know,
a side hustle, if you will. And it seems like in this day
and age everybody has to have aside hustle in order to make ends meet.
But the nice thing about already havinga side hustle established is you can
just put more energy into it hopefullyand be able to you know, make
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up at least some of the lostrevenue. So other things like like you
said, having money saved up,having a credit card just in the event.
You know, these different options provideyou a flexibility to maneuver inside of
the disaster and hopefully create a quickrecovery. Moving on to the larger areas
would be like a natural disaster inthe floodplain. Let's say your house is
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in a floodplain something like that.Having an egress plan different things like that,
having resources like a generator so youcan help everybody keep their food cold.
You can move the generator around everycouple hours and in the neighborhood in
like a block area, and allyour neighbors can keep their food cold,
things like that, keep their devicescharged, whatnot. And also coming up
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with alternative means of communication. Sothat means having like a comm's box with
a bunch of BOFANG radios or FRSradios in it that you can deploy to
your neighbors and you can kind ofcreate a neighborhood watch that way, and
if there's some nefarious people coming aroundyou, at least all have communications with
each other. Yeah, so you'rekind of moving it into like the local
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community, which is so that'd belike for me, I guess my local
community like my apartment complex right here, people that I know, that you
know aren't going to rip me off. That are good people that are right
there. Maybe some people in thehouses around my apartment complex. I would
consider it to be my local community. So one to two square blocks around
you are if you're in a bigapartment building, everyone in that building with
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you. Those are the people whereyou want to make sure that they're good
because if they fuck up and starta graasefire, your whole building goes down.
So it's true. I would liketo add in this is an interesting
you know, because you're bringing upsetsvery interesting in terms of role selection and
what you're going to be part ofin something like a natural disaster. How
do you self? You know,you have to you need to use skills
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that are inherent to you. It'snot something you rise to the occasion to.
It's something you fall to your trainingto whatever your skill set is.
So like like there's people like Averywho are multi faceted or West multi facet
is that type of thing that there'sskill sets that are like, hey,
I understand how to do the logistics, I understand the communication stuff. I'll
start organizing how to set up asecurity situation because EMS has failed those type
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of things in a community. Now, if you have no experience with that,
it's going to be a little bitharder gradient to pick that up.
You know, you need to letpeople who have the skill sets as long
as they're not fucking crazy. Butyou know, as long as it's like
they're normal people, you'll have bettersuccess. So if it's something like this
guy said it was great. Youknow what if you're not physically capable of
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actually, you know what if you'rewheelchair bound, but you have a great
mind and you're able to you knowyour or if you have you have communication
stuff, you have a knowledge basethere, then you become the You become
the base. You start working allyour logistics. So you need to understand
your role. Selection too, isnot everybody is. Look, the number
of people who are going to benecessary to pull security are probably not going
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to be nearly as many as thatneed to pitch in and help people,
like you'll fill sandbags or something likethat to solve a problem. So shooting
is the glorious part, right,the last thing you ever want to do,
So that's I mean, that's theleast thing you want to have.
So you're probably more likely to needto fill up some sandbags and you are
to load some magazines I spent.I mean when when everything turned off and
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we were helping work on fires,I mean that's what you became an instant
fireman. But we worked without acapacity of something I knew how to do.
I knew how to drive trucks,I know how to do all that
stuff. So we were running watertrucks and that's completely reasonable. Then I
did other stuff at night from adifferent capacity, but while there was work
to happen, you did that part. So I mean that's what I'm saying,
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Like, you got to you haveto understand the role or the tools
that you bring to the table.You're not going to be like, well,
you know, I I play callof duty and I'm now going to
be an operator. That's what I'mgoing to do now, Like I don't,
It doesn't make sense. So justyou know, set realistic goals and
you know, and don't expect everybodyto be the enemy. And that environment
either, most people are just likeyou. They're like what the hell is
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going on? Exactly? Yeah,And that kind of brings it because you
have that scenario. Bill. Ifyou want to talk a little bit about
what you went through in twenty twentywith the big fires, I mean you
mentioned a little bit there, butthat that was a city wide problem.
So I think you have a reallygood example there of a multi city you
know, multi city, multi city. But let's just say that because that
was your your entire town was involved. I mean, that was that was
more of a state they could kindof go into state crisis as well.
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But for your perspective on a citycrisis, when you're in town was given
a evacuation order, what was whatwas that like for you as someone living
in that, Like, I mean, it isn't technologure shock. Yeah,
how many people live there? Likewhat twelve thousand, two thousand? Okay,
I see is less than twenty Sotwelve thousand people. So's that is
a small town. So people likethat live out in like Es Decada,
who get evacuated every year because somebodylike sets the side of the hill on
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fire, you know that type ofthing. That's a little bit more of
a known situation. But for wherewe lived, like Avery, I don't
know if you were living there specificallyright there at the time when everything I
was taken out. Okay, Soit's the same idea. It's like,
well you're like, wait a minute, you start doing a critical analysis,
like what, like does this makeany sense? Well, let's let's take
all the politics out of it.Let's just look at it as a crisis,
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like a fire crisis. Well,if EMS is leaving and they're saying
you need to leave because everything's goingto burn down, there's a little bit
of culture shock there, and youdo have to do a self assessment and
go, well, am I goingto let this happen to my home if
I can avoid it? Am Iwilling to put myself in harm's way?
And then you go try to bean asset to your community. And that's
what ended up happening. There's probablyI don't know, three hundred people or
so out of twelve thousand that wereactually actively really trying and doing stuff.
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So and those people that, likethe people who are out you know,
cutting snags and falling breaks and allthat stuff, those guys are heroes.
I'm just a dipshit that you know, did fire abatement then, nothing like
what those guys were doing. So, but it's the same principle. Everybody
went in with the capacity with whatthey had, because not everybody knows how
to do what I do, butI don't know how to do what they
were doing. So everybody was usingtheir combined skills to just help out the
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best they could. And there wasa big mental gymnastic I mean, you
know, there were some private conversationsAvery and I had really interesting ones that
were very you know, it waslike, hey, man, it was
like game on. You got togo do something because no one else is
going to do it. And Ithink that's a huge part. Very few
people or there is an expectation,I think is in society that somebody else
will take care of it. Andat a given point, sometimes you just
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got to go do the thing.And that's where you have to be able
to have a gut check because you'renot going to be told come help,
go help. You have to makea decision. I am now doing this
and I'm now getting involved, andthen all of a sudden things will opportunities
wild. That was my experience.I remember that was going on. I
kind of thought to myself like shouldI. I had people ask and I
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said, so, yeah, therewere things I did. Hey man,
I'll come out there. I'm like, nope, that's that's not a thing.
What we're doing right now is isnot something that you're going to be
able to operate in the capacity.It's going to be functional. It's just
going to be a situation you couldput yourself at risk and it's not going
to be any no reason. Yeah, and the smoke was just awful.
And so that's how I keep Ikeep a couple of respirators in my house.
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Now I've got one that this fullface protection one that just does you
keep telling me that's how you getshot in my neighborhood if you wear one
that it's bad enough that it warrantsit. You needed that. Oh it
was awful, man. Yeah,like I got black lung. I'm sure
I probably. I'm like, what'shis face? Blue steel or whatever?
Yeah, you know you got blacklung in one day. No, it
was brutal. And it's like Ididn't realize that I was going to,
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you know, smoke for like aweek straight like a professional. Like this
is like some like Jackie Gleason levelsmoking. Yeah, signed it seriously was
like you were you were just breathingin cigarette smoke and it was it was
find it looks like it looked likefog though, like I would go out
of remember driving it and going likeit looks like fog. But then you
step out you smell it. It'sjust it's like walking into a bar where
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they still love smoking. It's justlike it just burns sort of. It's
smell like a huge campfire, themulti ultimate campfire, ever, not a
happy one. But you know,look I don't want to. I want
to focus on that part. Ithink that I think that what I would
I would consider that a community situation, at the community level problem. It
was a state level issue, butit was it was it was distilled down
to a community problem. But individualswill want to focus on a subduction zone
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quick. They will focus on thosetype of things, like with the whole
fucking state is going to be destroyed. How do you I mean, where
do you go from there? Avery? If you were looking at that,
like on the individual level, howdo you like, I mean, you
can't really prepare for society completely stopping, like not not in total and for
and you're talking about sustainment. Well, i'll add before Avery, I want
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every to answer this. But theyare going to do what's the word they
used for Clyde was talking about itthis week, But they're going to do
a training exercise to prepare for aneleven point one in the Pacific Northwest.
And the caldera blows up when whenthey call that done goes away. Yeah,
bridges. But they're saying that thatOregon and Washington all the way down
to northern California are going to experienceeleven point one earthquake when that caldera in
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Yellowstone explodes. And so they're goingto be doing I can want to say,
gain function. My brain's farting rightnow, so I can't remember the
But they're going to do preparation exerciseswhere they do like now we do training
scenarios. You know, they're goingto do that. They're going to tabletop
exercises, that's what they're called.So they're gonna do a tabletop exercise this
year about how to handle that.And the thing is is that the year
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before COVID nineteen became a thing,they did a tabletop exercise on a on
a flu pandemic. So I'm gonnalaugh because I just saw Avery's eyes and
I saw when you said like atabletop he was, I know what he
thought. He goes, all right, So you take the sand table the
shit out of him, and that'swhat's left. It's gonna be warhammer for
World Economic Forum nerds. Everything isjust destroyed. Well, I can tell
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you with certainty eleven point one,there's nothing. Every building is destroyed,
all built, all everything. Ifyou live in a teepee, you're still
in fucking danger because chances are something'sgonna fall on you. Oh trees,
my apartment's gonna clapse on my head. Ye oh, go ahead, all
right, now we just trauma dumpedall over you. So I actually have
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a little bit of history with this. So after our second deployment, which
was what twenty ten something like that, nine tens, I think they kind
of realized that the era of deploymentswas kind of coming to an end for
the state of Oregon, and sothey're trying to figure out how they can
get more money brought into the state. The only thing, yeah, new
missions. So the only thing theycould come up with was this Cascadia subduction
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zone nonsense, right, okay,And so they're they're doing this whole thing
where they're doing tabletop exercises they haveand all the departments come together and all
this stuff. And I had aseries of questions that I thought were pretty
good that really made me realize thatthey had no idea what they were doing.
So let me let me say this, I said. I said to
them, I says to them,how many soldiers? Because I was in
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the National Guard at the time,and the National Guards what responds or who
responds to these types of disasters?I said, what's the percentage do you
think of soldiers that are going toshow up at the armory seventy two within
seventy two hours of a natural disaster? And they said eighty percent. I
said, oh, you think eightypercent of the soldiers who have families and
kids and jobs, and some ofthem are first responders, are going to
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show up to the armories with theseventy two hours so they can put a
uniform on and start doing things.Yes, I'm like, okay, okay,
sure, yeah, hold on youright, yeah, definitely not.
I was like, okay, let'slet's let's be more realistic. Let's riddle
me this. Let's say ten percent, but let's say forty percent. Forty
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percent for my for this train ofthought, let's say forty percent show up.
Okay, So that's roughly forty people. Forty people who have been displaced
by there by the natural disaster,and now they have their family with them
at an armory that doesn't have anyresources. What are you going to do?
Yeah? What are you going todo? With kids and wives?
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Mostly at these armories? Didn't havea plan, no idea, no no
solution. Okay, great, Sowhen Katrina happened, we shipped all of
our MRIs down to Louisiana, whichmeant we didn't have any MRIs for US
soldiers that were mobilizing. So that'skind of the logic that they have there,
right so, and then and thenand then I said, awesome.
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Then I also asked the question.I said, how many soldiers deployed to
Louisiana during that disaster? They said, not very many. They're they're either
deployed currently that they had a Ithink they had a battalion or brigade or
something that was deployed, or theywere not able to deploy to the state
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and do things because most of theirequipment was underwater. Said okay, so
why do we think that we're goingto be any different in this situation?
And so those simple things made merealize that they were just trying to do
this for a money grab. Theyweren't trying to actually come up with a
realistic plan. Is because I said, okay, well, let's come up
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with a plan. So where areyou going to park the RVs when all
the soldiers show up with their families, where are you going to put them?
What's the care plan for that?Are you going to allow civilians to
come in there and park there toothat are unrelated to the military, because
these are all questions of what wouldprobably happen in the event that an armory
becomes a hub for resources. Peopleare going to want to gravitate to those
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resources. So I said, thebest case scenario is State of Oregon responds
to a sister state in the eventof a disaster. You're not going to
be deploying your assets inside of thestate because they're going to be under dirt.
You're going to have to have aproblem from another state that actually still
has their logistic train in place.Yeah, that's that was my thought because
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we discussed this long time ago,because it was like I and the funny
thing is everybody, I'm sure thatthis is exactly what everybody thought. You're
a hater. Why you poking holesin our plan of action. We're the
brightest minds and you're over here likeyou guys don't even have the light bulb
turned on. You're not even thinking, you're not seeing the reality. You're
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not hirings officers. They know whatthey're talking about. Well, I mean,
when you start talking about a subductionzone quake, you're like, well,
I hope. I hope, likeplaces like Montana National Guard and anything
that's on the interior, that wouldbe the closest first response that they could
have, maybe the lift capability becausethe roads aren't going to be there.
You're only yeah, I mean,you can easily come up with a plan,
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and the plan would look something likethat, where these different states have
have agreements yeah, caprosity, yeah, yeah, cross platform agreements where if
we get activated, these are theresources we have, and each state knows
what those other states have available.So in the event that something happens to
like well, we can probably trustthat Montana or whatever, Utah will be
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able to provide us with X,Y and Z. Therefore, we need
to outsource two government contracts for theother things that we're gonna need in order
to put the bridges back up,or or let's say Utah for example,
has an engineer unit. Well thatyour guys' role number one is to get
the roads back up, get Ifive and you know, eighty twenty two
back up and running whatever it takes. That's your job. That's all you
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need to do. As soon assomething happens, your job is to deploy.
We don't even have to talk toyou. You know, you're just
going to start driving and fix thoseroads. But you think that, you
think that eight hundred infantry soldiers aregoing to like what are they going to
do in the state of Oregon whentheir families are displaced? Just like everybody
else, Like, they're going tobe so realistic, They're going to be
busy trying to survive. Yeah,I mean, and I think that's what
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I think a lot of people losetheir perspective on. They're like, look,
if it's happening to you, andthe only way you're able to self
self activate is if you have themeans and the capability still in place to
self activate, and then and thenyou still have to go to a There
was a group of people who selfactivated and created up a community plan,
a central discussion point, and thenpeople started checking in and they started dispersing,
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you know, doing the logistics work. I mean I was not in
that. I mean I showed upto that in that capacity and we got
told, hey, go over here, do this, okay, cool,
I mean, somebody has to therehas to be a means. And it
was not a government agency that wasdoing it, and I mean the National
Guard was not activated. I meanthey were, but in a completely different
place like they were down south Ithink. But within the scope of like
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Katrina, how many different states showedup that Are you even aware how many
different style I know before, butwhat I saw more than anything else,
for different law enforcement agencies deployed downthere. So we had like New York
and a bunch of different agencies,Like there would be just like a squad
of cops from some place that wouldjust show up and they would like wild
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West style, just going after it. Yeah, there's a down on Bourbon
Street. There was this like largeparking area and they had converted that some
church natural disaster response uh nonprofit wasdown there providing food and so you could
show up there three times a dayfor breakfast, lunch, and dinner obviously,
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and so the different agencies would showup there and would get fed from
them, and that was kind oflike the logistics that was set up.
I have any idea, Do youhave any idea how the community self the
community self help, like how thatnonprofit was able to put that together?
Do you have anyone? Well,I mean they weren't from there, they
weren't from there. There there's somenational level you know, so they brought
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the and all their assets. Yeah, they had they had a bunch of
trailers that had kitchens in them,and then they had a big circus tent
that they erected, I'm sure theybrought with them. And then they just
had reefers. They had one,I think they had one or two reefers
that were permanently like there, andthen they just restocked them with Holy yes,
that's amazing. Actually, that's actuallyreally impressive. So one of the
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things I really that I really tookaway from probably mentioned it on the show
before, was after that had happened, so you see all the logistics that's
generated. Right, So, likeI broke into a fire station that was
abandoned. I broke into this firestation to get diesel for our vehicles when
because once our airplane landed, weonly had a half a tank because you
can't fly with full tanks of gas, so we only had half a tank
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of gas. So I went toa gas a fire station and stole a
bunch of diesel fuel. All thisis legal, wired we were under orders
to go get gas and everything wasabandoned at that point. So anyways,
I went in there and ironically thelock to the diesel tank was already cut.
Somebody else said already had the sameidea. So we filled up all
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the trucks and I found every containerI possibly could to build up so that
we had some fuel with us.Anyways, all the different needs for logistics
started popping up there on a largelevel, like these nonprofits and whatnot.
But then when we went to asmaller parish after Katrina happened, and it
was like Irene or whatever. Theother one, the smaller one was we
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left New Orleans and when we leftthere, we went to this other parish
and everything was identical except smaller.So, for example, the communications was
some ham operator sitting inside of thevolunteer fire station and all the wives and
moms of the fire department people werebringing trays of food in and so you
just walk down the hallway and there'sall this food and you could eat whatever
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you want to eat. So itwas interesting to see everything mirrored, but
on a different level. It managedat a different level from you know,
big large nonprofits to peer control wherethere's neighborhoods that are or small small community
groups are putting together. That wasmy experience. It was a small community
group and the way they were tryingto help people's So that's very fascinating actually,
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So I mean now as an individual, okay, so let's track back
once. So as an individual throughthe experience that you had in a flood
zone, which a flood zone issomething that is prevalent where we live to
it's something that's real. What aresome tools that you would suggest people have,
just things you probably need. Well, so I always say you should
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bug in instead of bugging out.With that said, you should have a
bug out plan. And with thebug out plan, it should be four
directions, so north, southeast,and west. So depending on the situation
that happens, you should have preestablished points in what you're going to go
to. So some people are like, well, I'm just going to the
hills, Well, okay, butthere's no resources up there for you.
Maybe firewood if you're in the rightplace, you know, but you're exposed
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the elements. So what I suggestis that you have a friend roughly within
a half a tank of gas ormore. But I try to keep the
radius of a half a tank ofgas half a tank of gas so that
you have a little bit of leeway. Right, Let's assume you have some
spare fuel or you can get somefuel or something like that. Chances are
you have at least have to takea guess. So that's about one hundred
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and fifty miles away or so roughly. Okay, So try and find friends
that you can set up a relationship. You have a relationship with where you
can say, hey, if somethinghappens, you mind if I just come
park out in your front yard withmy truck or you know, in my
van or whatever. And the eventsomething happens, until things settle down,
and chances are they'll be like,yeah, absolutely, I have a guest
room, more than welcome to usethat. But worst case scenario, like
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I just need a park. Ijust need a place where I can be
fairly safe, don't worry about myship getting stolen. And you do that
north south east west and then havea packing list built and ready to go,
and then you're going to go.You have a plan. Yeah,
And so I would say, maybefollow your into your packing list that you
have there, but you get itgive us in the previous episode. Yeah,
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I don't know if I have myoverlanding stuff on there yet, but
the overlanding stuff I just because I'mmoving. I just restocked all my overlanding
stuff and I realized I should updatethat list as well, so that you
know, like when you go toload your car up, like, oh,
we're probably going to need some awningsor tarps or things to be able
to create shelter other than the vehicle. So we didn't talk about power management.
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Can I mention something real quick?I know it's off topic, but
real quick. So last time wetalked about power and not having power and
stuff like that. So what peopledon't realize is everybody has a generator.
Well most people have a generator andit's their car. So your car obviously
makes twelve electricity so you can keepyour devices topped off and whatnot. But
you can actually get an inver,like a three thousand watt inver and plug
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it in and running extension cord toyour fridge or to you know, whatever
it is that you want to runit to in order to provide power so
that you can intermittently keep things coldor charged or whatever the cases. And
a lot of people forget that.A lot of people think they're going to
need to spend a thousand dollars ona generator when an actuality. You just
need forty bucks for an inver whichwould be a good idea to keep in
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your car. Anyways, sometimes you'retraveling your laptop or you need an electronic
device to plug into and having aninvert it comes in really handy. Did
your Tundra come with an inverter?Mine has a factory one. No,
those inverts are pretty weak. They'reonly like one hundred and fifty wats or
something like that, which, like, what am I going to do with
that? I install the three thousandwad into the bed of my truck.
It's this big brick one and Iused it twice, but I had it,
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so I installed it. Use it. Yeah for sure, I have
a generator and I have a babyinverter, and then I'm going to end
up investing in a bigger inverter becausegetting powers clean. Yeah. Yeah.
You know what actually I found moreimpressive is these one hundred and thirty watt
cigarette lighter adapters to USBC. Soif you have like an electronic device like
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a laptop or something and you needto charge it, you can use the
USB C on most small laptops thesedays, and you can charge your laptop
that way. And that little littletiny cigarette lighter adapter usually goes to one
hundred and thirty watts and it's man, it'll charge your phone really quick.
Yeah, yeah, I have.I have one that's like it's it's like
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it's based in amperage is the wayit says that. And I use it
the truck all the time. It'slike, yeah, you have five minutes
and your phone's at half. It'slike, oh, well, in like
fifteen minutes, your phone's all theway back up. You're like, okay,
I mean the phone is like ona fire. It's a little warm.
Yeah. Yeah, I've been wantingto get one of those because the
things that it'll charge your phone,and it can use as a jumper for
(34:25):
your car. It's like two jumpsand then it's dead. Yeah, a
little jumper pack. Yeah yeah.And so I just have have like a
car escape kit that's also a cigarettelighter adapter in a USB. It does
everything, so I haven't just kindof sitting there. But if I push
it all in it it activates andthen I have two USB ports on it,
(34:45):
so I can charge two devices,charges them really fast, So it'll
charge my phone in like ten tofifteen minutes and then you pull it out
and on the tip it actually hasa kind of steel like nail stud and
then you can use that to breaka win shield to escape your car.
And then it has a little loopon the top. The inside has a
razor inside of it, and thenyou can use it to cut your ze
(35:09):
belt. Yeah, so it's soyou roll your car, you're stuck in
there, you just grab it,pull it out your You've got everything you
need to get out of your car. And then it also charges. The
only thing it doesn't do is makeJulian fries. But well that's well,
you know, not that for tendollars from brick Stone. So I do
have an observation though about because Iknow we've talked about go bags and exit
(35:31):
strategy stuff that type of that typeof item. There is some cross some
cross training capability with your go bag. So I'd like to wait on that
because that's something that everybody likes tofocus in on. There's well, we
talked about it in the last coupleepisodes, like spirit systems and everybody has
their own juice and then you know, you have a packing list. It's
a functional thing. But the realityis is that if you use that if
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you have those items, and whatis what is the chance of you putting
in the practice? Very often notvery high, you know, because most
people pack it and forget it.But if you do something like you go
rock a little bit like use aspart as your workout program, so you
start creating personal capability, You startshedding off some of those pounds, start
developing better. You know, Look, you get older, it's good for
(36:15):
your bones, it's good for yourjoints. Start doing those things, and
you get used to carrying that weight, right, and then you can start
looking at it. You'll unpack it, you'll pack it, become familiar with
it. You'll never forget what yougot, because how many times do you
have a bag You're like, Idon't know if the fuck's in there.
I have no idea, Like Iknow I have it, I've had it
forever, but I don't really remember. And all of a sudden you're like,
oh shit, there was a holein something, there's some mold on
(36:37):
something, and you're like, well, I haven't kept up on it.
So as far as I'm a bigproponent of maintaining your personal capability, your
mental fitness, you always you neveryou know, how do you stay young.
You always stay learning. You alwayswant to learn something. You want
to stay in some type of capacity. Like we were watching drone stuff reach.
I'll bleed into that next, butlike things like having a really decent
(36:59):
backpack and and you're going to usethat backpack, You're to walk around with
it. It doesn't mean you needto walk around the fucking hills, you
know, to go mountain climbing.It's not going alpine climbing, but it
does mean that you can go walkaround and use it, like at a
golf course or whatever you're going todo, if you're a normal trek with
your wife or whatever. And that'scompletely reasonable because you get a workout,
it's good for you, get yououtside, get you off your phone,
(37:19):
get you paying attention to what's goingon around you. Those are tools that
you will inherently create. Now,we talked about drone usage and stuff offline,
of course, but last week wetalked about drones and then there were
some other Facebook groups that I actuallyasked avery to jump into because people ask
questions about something at that capacity andas far as use, and then you're
(37:39):
seeing what's happening in the world allover the place. If you watch any
footage from Ukraine, you're seeing howthey're being employed very effectively in a combat
role. But as far as isrthat type of thing, how effective is
that avery would you say for doingpersonal survey? Like if you had stuff
going on, I mean, howeffective? How quiquickly could you deploy that?
(38:00):
Since you have you've already developed theskill set to use it, and
now you have the capacity, whatkind of how much of an asset does
that become? Oh? Yeah,it's massive. I mean instead of having
to drive or walk to an areato do a reconnaissance of it, you
can you know, fly the drone, you know, and that's pretty useful.
(38:22):
There was actually up on the hillthere was a bunch of smoke coming
up and I was like, what, I don't think there's a house up
there, And so I actually flewmy drone up there just to see what
it was. And it was ahouse. Actually I didn't realize there was
a house up there, but therethey had a wood fire going in their
house and it was creating a tonof smoke. And so instead of calling
the cops or doing something done likethat, just flew the drone up there
(38:43):
to see what it was. So, yeah, it's absolutely critical to have
those capabilities. It's a combat multiplierA drone is Well. The reason I
brought that up, I essentially isbecause I was contacted by a friend.
They had a family friend that theywere concerned that may have committed to jumped
off a bridge kind of thing.Dive teams couldn't find them, blah blah
blah blah blah. They're like,well, we've rinted a helicopter. I'm
(39:05):
like, no, no, no, you need somebody like a drone service
that can get right down on fourK level and be able to look around
if you're looking for surface situations.And then we didn't even think of that.
And I'm like, well, Iwouldn't have thought of that shit either
if you wouldn't have been involved.You know. I was like, yeah,
a drone, it's a fantastic idea. So and I know there are
services out there that provide that typeof structure, so I help them do
(39:28):
that. But I think it's Ithink we've reached a point where when technology
becomes so cost effective, I thinkyou start looking at and you need to
have that type of tool at yourdisposal. It's not just for like,
well we're trying to find you know, troops in contact. You know that's
not the idea, But you cansay I can stay safe where I'm at.
(39:49):
You could conduct patrols around your areato see if anything's going on,
and you can use your Bao fangradio to tell your community, hey,
there's somebody doing this thing. Sothat goes into that capability of well,
you know what, if you don'thave the best physical fitness or you're not
in the best physical help, thatdoesn't mean you couldn't do that and you
could be a great asset. Sojust I know it's sidebar thinking, but
you know, it's something that Ithink people need to consider because you need
(40:12):
to obviously once again evaluate the rolethat you could fill and be an asset
and not be like a detractor fromthe situation you don't want to be a
liability. Yeah, yep, exactly. Yeah, and interesting, this is
a multi phase We're going to dothis multiple times. Yeah. Yeah,
I think it might be helpful ifwe actually kind of get into maybe a
(40:35):
packing list and we could just jumpon Amazon and just look at different products
and avia if you want to giveus a ya and a thumbs up.
Thumbs down. We can kind oflike review them and then like shopping list
it. Right now, we're almostat a time. Yeah, we're at
forty minutes. Unless you want tofilm a secondary episode right after this,
we could do that, all right, No I don't. Yeah, the
(40:57):
other crisis we have is a nationalcrisis and then a a world crisis.
I would say, let's to makeyou think of a natural crisis that effected
the entirety of the United States isnine to eleven, and that was really
mainly an ff A thing, likeyou couldn't fly anywhere, So I can't
think of anything it would. Imean, we had the freeze this last
month where everyone but that wasn't thatwasn't so bad Midwest. I mean they
(41:21):
got some pretty bad cold and somesnow, but they had, you know,
they had their their snowplows to dealwith it, whereas here in Portland
we don't have as many snowplows.So some people just I would just like
to say on that you're realizing likethis is a trend now, right,
Like it's a trend to lose powerfor five days a year. Yeah,
that's normal, that's feeling infrastructure.Yeah, it's becoming a thing, So
(41:45):
that's something to be considered or considered. You know, when winter time comes,
you know, it means you needto start making sure you have your
preps in place, so that youknow, you have two different heat sources
and two different power sources things likethat, so you're ready in the event
that it happened, whether it's oneday or five days or ten days,
depending on where you live. Yeah, I literally try to be less dependent
(42:06):
on one single piece of electronic equipment. Like you know, I I know,
I started wearing a watch again justby by standard of I I need
to have a watch. I needto have you know, it's easier to
know the date. It's all thatstuff. What if my phone goes down?
What if there's a disruption? Sir? You start going all those different
directions. It's like it's like almostlike having like a GPS, but if
your phone goes if the if thecell if the cell towers are down,
(42:28):
and you have a GPS, yourGPS will still work. Yeah, or
or know how to do map partyor I understand, or having the toppos
for your region and doing I meanthat's shit I need to Yeah. Actually,
cell phones are are great because youcan use it as a flashlight.
You can use it as as aradio. You can jump on like vocks
or something like that. You cansend short messages, but once the cell
towers are down, you're fucked.Water purifire. So that's a good one
(42:51):
for communications, at least a radio. I mean, soft phone could work,
but something else these have a soutphone, see batteries one double A
start having stuff that you could trade, trading commodities and then world crisis.
I would say maybe like Apophice,if it doesn't miss us and it veer's
course and hits us, that couldbe a world crisis. Or for COVID
(43:12):
nineteen is a world crisis. Yeah, okay, Like, hey guys,
if we can hit by an asteroid, don't call us. These chances are
I'm not gonna be a available.Chances are we're already dead, you know.
I mean, look, you couldsay shark NATO is possible, but
I don't think it's probably. Imean they're saying if Yellowstone blows up in
our lifetime, that's gonna that's gonnacover the world with ash. Like that'll
be a bad deal. It willbe a happy day. It won't be
(43:35):
like a nuclear winter level, butthere'll be a cloudy day for everybody,
for there'll be a lot less people. So because when you have cold,
well, when you go into aice age, that means farming sustainability shrinks,
which means populations die off. Sothat's that's that's like a macro thing,
all right, So to the productassessment, So you're gonna wrap it
up. Is that what you wantto do? And how long do you
(43:57):
think you'll take? We could probablydo that fifteen minutes now, an hour,
let's make let's make that the nextepisode. And you called that,
Oh yeah, that's fine. Hey, we're at forty five minutes now,
which is a solid episode, butan hour and forty five is a little
bit of a stretch. Well,I mean, so like we can talk
about the basis of that, allright, So let's just wrap this up
and we'll start another one. Yeah, we'll talk about that with the guys.
(44:19):
You'll see it in another week.But yeah, that kind of covers
what we were able to kind ofcome up with is how to think as
far as crisis is, and thenwe'll get into the equipment you're going to
need to deal with those crisises andpersonal local City and so forth. But
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