April 26, 2024 • 37 mins
There was a mass terrorist-backed shooting in Russia. Would firearms regulations prevent it from happening? The short answer is no. Also on the blocks for Oregon, is a law that makes owning a ghost gun illegal. The boys ask, how they would even know who owns them in the first place.
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Hey, I'm Wes and welcome toUnsuppressed. We're back after taking a quick
break, and uh, it justhappened to line up with some major world
events and some local events that happened, and so today's topic is going to
be about gun control, so uh, getting that out there right away,
so be a fun political discussion.Get the fuck off my podcast. No
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no, no, no, nono, don't you need to stay and
understand why gun control is a badidea. Go buy some rope, find
an am Sorry, Pat moths outwith belling this one as much as I
want to be the bearded man thatsays, oh smash, reason wins on
this one. So in case youhadn't seen the news, basically, life
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imitated art and we had an actualsituation that lined up with some Call of
duty video games. A lot ofpeople and some people were shot up in
Russia by a now known to bea Islamic terrorist script that had committed the
attack, and I think guys oftoday people have been arrested. Bill.
They said that there were twelve orfourteen people, Okay, am, I
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correct, twelve, no, eleven, sorry, eleven people were connected to
this, including the three people orthree or four of them that conducted the
shooting, and they were they theysaid they admitted their guilt, and I'm
like that sounds very Russian, almostlike they found people and said you did
it, and then now you're goingto admit to it, so we don't
lose face, which is what thattells me. I mean, I know
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that Russia like, uh, whatis his name, John Brenner, the
guy who was a former CIA director. He did I may be misquoting,
but he did say that Russia tendsto really suppress the casualty numbers to make
it not look as bad as itactually is. So I understand that.
So it's it's if they were ableto Okay, So this is my perspective.
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The fact that the gunman were ableto leave, they were able to
set the building on fire, theywere able to conduct and shoot the hell
out of a bunch of people andleave and then they have to get picked
up later. That is something thatis just wait, what you know,
like, how did you respond thatpoorly to the situation? So just go
ahead, and I just that's justinsane. But with it being the twenty
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first century and them not wearing masksfor whatever reason, there was something to
any of them, Well, theyweren't worried about COVID. One video you
send me the other day built thatmade me say that we should pick this
as our topic. It was likesomeone up in a balcony it looked like
a shopping mall holding their phone andthey're just like, yeah, watching people
get fucking shot. You know,I wonder if that's a coping mechanism.
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What do you think, avery,I mean, is that a situation like
you're displacing yourself out of the situationemotionally, I'm gonna film this and then
it's not like it's real. Heythere you go, Hey, hey,
put It seems like if people can'thelp or they don't want to help,
they're going to film it. It'sthe weirdest thing. Well, I think
there's a name for it, actual, so I forget what it is.
But it's basically where you you separateyourself from the reality of it, so
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you're like, oh, look atthat, and then if you put it
in front of a screen, it'slike not real anymore, so you can
it could just happen. But ifthey didn't have their phones in their hands,
they'd be like, wait, it'slike we should probably not be here
cleaving seems like like I'm gonna saythis, if they're around snapping by you,
you should seek cover, not concealment. Yeah, that's you need to
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put distance between you and where that'scoming from. Similarly, you see those
big fires or something in some otherplace and then it explodes and you can
see the shockwave moving towards the cameraand the camera guys just standing there.
Oh, shockwave coming the was itlike a fireworks place and it was in
that was a couple. There wasa pier that happened in some sort of
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like yeah whatever. In Beirut thatwas nuts and the one in China they're
like, oh, look it's gonnaboom and they're like, eh h,
that guy didn't make it. Youknow, your iPhone's tough though, I
mean, you're dead, but youknow so you know, so yeah,
no, it's it was it's asituation that I think what I found I
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think what I found the most interesting. I mean, because there's empathy.
Even though Russia is not our allyin any way, shape or form.
I don't have a problem with Russianpeople and having you know, everybody should
live within a reasonable expectation to beable to go to the store or go
to the concert and not worry aboutgetting mowed down by a bunch of cheese
dicks going to a la akbar.I mean, well, I don't want
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to be held liable for what mygovernment does in other countries. I'm not
going to hold other liable liable forwhat their countries do. Yeah, and
it's like, I know that theUnited States Intelligence Services provided like a heads
up, like, hey, something'scoming down the pipe. Russia said,
hey, the FSB said we foundit, you know, we squashed it's
no problem, and then two weekslater they did it. Now, I
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mean that was a true believerism.So I mean, how many people have
infiltrated Russia? Well where you know, how many people have come here that
I probably have at a farisontent overthe course of the last what three years
and after with the open border stuff. So I could see there there could
be some linearness that happens here.That's twelve million uncertainty right there. Oh
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that's a lot of dudes. Theyalso make the assumption that those plans haven't
been sewn for decades, if nota century. So yeah, yeah,
yeah, you know, there's alot of different sleeper cells. Yeah,
I mean that's the that's like thethe interesting part because people say, well,
you know, well, what doyou think is going to happen?
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And because I constantly have conversations withJeremy about this, because he always deals
with a lot of people who areyou know, either dealing with human trafficking
or drug stuff or you know,there's always something going on with the business
that he's in. He is,what do you think about all the illegal
immigrants, because we're starting to seehim in mass is starting to be a
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thing. Heause, do you thinkwe're going to see the terrorist stuff?
And I said, well, Ithink it's I think it's a percentage.
But I also think that the bestsift or the best you know, filter
against those problems are the community groupsthat they inherently get into that maybe have
started that direction and said, well, I don't think I want to blow
this place up because no one givesa shit what I do. I have
a better standard of living, andI if I blow this up, our
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whole community is going to go down. Well, anybody who's a true believer
that I think they get turned in. I don't think there's any such thing
as true like crack, like incrediblygreat investigative work. It's always somebody told
on somebody and then they acted onit. I mean, it's not like
you just discovered it. It's notlike a movie, you know. So
I mean, cause think about it. If you're you're like, hey,
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I'm from X y Z Country andyou know, I came over here and
I was like, man, fuckthis place. But this is this is
so bad. This is great.You know, I have a better standard
of living and everything's going well.I have my community group and now we
have a bunch of other people comingin. They're like, oh, yeah,
we're gonna blow this shit up.The fuck you are because they're going
to point there, you know there, you know, finger of justice at
me too. I'm gonna go aheadand you know, all form and I
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think that's how. I think that'swhat stops a lot of those things.
But I don't think it's going tostop everything because I mean, look at
what's happening downtown Portland. You havethe cartel basically controlling what ninety percent of
the human trafficking and drug trade.So it's pretty pretty problematic. But back
to the the gun control part.Russia has massive gun control, And I
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found it odd that on Reddit nobodywas talking about gun control in Russia.
They were like, oh my,look at the great response. I'm like,
there's like one hundred and fifteen peopledead. Dude, I mean,
that's like epic of numbers. Imean, if Avery would have had like
a p shooter, a fucking bowand arrow, he probably could have stopped
it. I mean, you know, the whole scheme of things. Well,
Russia is known for their like terroristattacks and stuff like that. I
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mean they I think the the Russianresponse caused more deaths in that Peter Oh
that's right, Oh god, fiftypeople? Yeah, yeah, yet it
on fire. Got an idea,a comrade, No one's getting out.
Are we do pretty good at Wacotoo? Yeah? Yeah, we have
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our we have our own you know, high speed load drag moments. Well,
we have our shame moments, RubyRidge, you know stuff. Oh
or how about the guy that's thecity council member. They got ventilated quite
a bit, but he's still alive. He died, he died, he
died, oh because I saw Ohhe was still alive. Now he got
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on alive. Okay, he wasdead as GSW do ahead, apparently he
succumbed to his wounds and they wentafter him because he was selling firearms without
a license. You know that newgun control bill they signed last year after
you know, Elvad cops were cowardsand uh yeah, so instead of actually
being like, hey, you can'tdo this, they're just like, we'll
blow your door off the hedges,get shot at and kill you. Yeah.
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I guess one of the one ofthe ATF agents got hit in the
hail of gunfire. I mean probablyby I don't dude, but I mean
side the point, the the factof the matter is there was an egg
corn involved. Yeah. Well,look, I'm gonna say this. I
think that the no knock warrant thing, it may have its place. Like
I know, we're kind of allof the board like we are normally,
but when we're talking we're talking aboutgun control, it's kind of wide reaching.
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But when no knock raids, ifyou're hitting like like something, that's
I guess a high likelihood of anegative outcome, like you're like some hideout
of you know, some you knowBonnie and Clyde gang or something, you
know, the back level. Yeah, okay, sure, you know,
do the thing. But the dudethat's a sitting council member. He could
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have just you could have picked himup at like going to get gas.
Hey, dude, you know,I think we lost you there for a
second. Every hear your muty himto come down to the freaking police station
and they'd be like, oh yeah, sure, yeah, yeah, but
they don't do that. So whatthey do, Oh, guns are evolved
so that, you know what ajudge, let's not forget their place in
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all this bullshit too. Oh it'sdangerous blow the door off the hinges at
six o'clock in the morning. Yeah, that's just really odd to me.
It's like, I mean why,I mean, the guy ran the regional
airport. He's a sixty whatever citycouncil. Ever, it's not like he
didn't know where to go talk tohim or get him. Yeah, he
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was the wait till he's home inthe morning and go do the stupid bullshit
exactly. Okay, dude, Iwas watching the eyewitness I'm laughing, but
I was watching the eyewitness testimony fromthe neighbors. They were like, we
had no idea what was going on, Like, what in the hell is
going on on my corner? Andwe're like, yeah, dude, you
guys literally rated the regular guy's house. It doesn't matter if he was committing
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some stupid infraction of a fiat law. It does It doesn't matter. You
could have just did it more intelligently. Who signed off on that? You
know what? What judge signed offon that? It's like, or what
was the other mega infraction? Oh, scot has said that Texas can't enforce
illegal immigration laws. You know,that's an interesting one. You can't give
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you Texas was enforcing a federal lawthat the federal government said they didn't want
to enforce. So you know,we're just gonna go ahead and do your
job for you because we're Texas.But that's the show, everybody. Well,
that would be nice to end itearly because I just realized how tired
I am, because yeah, it'sokay, you're a ghost conference with crowndszero
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like about forty five minutes ago.Now just wait a minute, Okay,
hold on this story. Just wejust turned a complete different angle here on
Unsuppressed. We have roots in conspiraeffect. Just talk about ghost stories and
ship what do you guys do?I'm just curious. I met up with
Sherry and Cherry said to say,Hi, Oh cool, and she said,
I want to come on your show. I'm like, we talk about
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guns and talk about pulling or ticksout and no talking about what I'd say.
What I'd say is is we talkedabout focus on guns. We don't
do conspiracy theories or paranormal stuff anymore. I want to talk about guns.
So as you even get her backon I, I told her that you
know, you're looking at doing tradingclasses, and she said she would love
to, you know, take agun training class. So she's she's like,
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which everyone says that everyone that knowsyou Bill is like, I'll take
a class from Bill. So whyI'm not qualified to teach anything. I
can teach the foundation of how toeat cereal or something like that. People's
skills and knowledge of firearms, It'slike that's all you need. Yeah,
look, hey, do you knowhow many firearms and structors are complete dick
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bags, like complete full of bloodymost bags. Yeah, You're not a
bag. So people are learning fromyou. I'm curious how many people,
how many schools, Like I mean, I know you've done some competitive shooting
stuff when you were doing this stufffor gret Ghosts, right, go on
to those things. Have you doneany like? That? Was just fun?
I did a competitive shooting in twothousand and three. That's why I
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did my competitive shooting. Okay,what'd you Okay, So I've watched like
like the us SP what is itUSPCA? Is that what it is?
Three gun and two gun? Yes, I'm sure that's an acronym something along
this. So it's basically you're shootingiPSC targets and you're going between gates and
PPPW that stuff. What's the clienttele like of or is it just as
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mixed as anything you'd run into everywhere? Is it just as so? At
the Three of Them Memorial, whichis what we do every year, or
RAGO supports every year down in NorthCarolina around October timeframe, there's a lot
of military. Probably half the peoplethere are military, you know, current
members, and since is in NorthCarolina, there's a lot of high speed
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people there. And then the restof them are competitive shooters that fight for
slots to do this competition and they'relike this is some of them, this
is like their jam, Like thisis exactly what they do all the time.
Some of them it's like a parttime thing and they're just really good
at it. So well, Imean, I mean, I so the
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personalities are as diverse as anything you'dsee from hunting to anything. Just it's
everybody. It's whatever. If that'syour thing, you just go do it
kind of deal or is it oris it kind of go the spectaums of
the classic mail driven sports. Sothere's alp and then the few and the
few women that try to you know, get in there too and do it
with them are just they act likemen. So and I'm not saying that's
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a bad thing. I'm just sayingthat's you asked what they're like, that's
they're like, they're very loud andvoisterous and all right. So now I
just thought, I just literally thoughtof what's his face to do as a
running back for a Seattle ho dick? Alright, So anyway, that's exactly
what it made me think of MarshallMarshaw Lynch. Yeah. So the other
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portion that I can see is like, I know, the tactical games,
have you are you going to dothat? Are you actually going to go
try one of those events? Iknow a couple guys that do that,
and they said, it's really alot of fun, and it does kind
of hit that that's the demographic thatI think that's like that the most alpha
of all those kind of you know, that's like the super alpha. You're
taking the two you got to likecross it and you got guns, and
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they probably all drive trucks, andso there you go. You got all
of the all the the cheese inone. You know. So I have
a question. Okay, so nowwe're going back to gun control because I
did orient this properly. Do youthink that those sports, those type of
competitions. Do you think that's apositive outlet and maybe positive traction to show
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that there is a positive reason toown the type of guns that everybody wants
to ban. Do you think that'sreally a thing? Sure? Is it?
I mean you can one side ofthe aisle will sit there and tell
you that we don't need guns atall. But those are people that don't
use guns. I'd be similar tosomebody living in New York saying, well,
we don't need cars or we don'tneed gas. Right. Wait,
they do do that actually, butthey don't drive because they have other,
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you know, means of transportation thatare local. They have no problem using
public transportation because most of them,that's all they do. But I can
tell you as somebody has had theirtheir birds and different animals excuse me,
has had different animals attacked, youknow, on a farm, it would
it would be nice to have someway of protecting my animals and potentially myself
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if need be so. But thenyou know, then they start trying to
quantify, like, well, youdon't need you know, all you need
is a double world shotgun, buckshot or whatever. I had a conversation
with someone who had somewhere mindset onthat. We talked. I showed him
the podcast yesterday and then he cameby and he wanted to make sure he
had the right link to listen toit. Then he there's a fire along
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that went off in the building.We stepped outside and he was talking about
how, oh yeah, I getto argument all the high like people who
say that that you need a rifleor a pistol for for self defense.
I kin't. He didn't say itall right, but I picked up that
he was more into shotgunds, andI didn't correct them on it. I'm
like, well, yeah, ifit shoots, it shoots, Yeah,
Like that's why we're or jacket Idon't wear I use jacket a hollow points
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in my handgut, And so hedoesn't because he was talking about like worrying
about rifle and pistol rounds going toofar into walls, and he is right
there. You know, they cango too far if he hits the wall
put in there. I didn't geta chance to ask him because he didn't
you know, double lot. Yeah, but yeah, some some loads of
shotgun aren't going to go too deeplike bird shot, so are going to
go through two layers of drywall veryeffectively. I think it's all relative range
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dynamics. There's so many dynamics there. Here's here's the reality. Things better
than nothing. Anyway, you shouldget yourself a four millimeternade launcher. Yeah,
fu shotguns. I was interested ingetting into deband time because it's like
I rather have someone defend themselves withany kind of firearm than with a baseball
bat. Here's what I here's whatI say about shotguns. They run out
of rounds really quick. That's aboutit. That. I mean, everything
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else is great about it, butthey just run out of bullet. Last
thing. I mean, it dependson the application in a house. I
mean you're almost guaranteed lethal sixteen feetalmost, but you know sure if someone
shotguns a viable weapon, sure,rifles viable, A hand goes vible.
I don't know wes baseball bat.I don't know braining someone with a baseball
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bat get a lot of lifetime aggressionout on somebody. Yeah, but do
you want to be that close tothem? Absolutely fucking not. What do
you mean do you want to closewith your enemy? Well, someone who's
a fan of Ground zero gifted mea baseball bat, a metal one that
has metal studs all in it,and oh it will kill. Okay,
So I leave that by the doorto give whoever breaks into my house a
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fighting chance because I'm not playing afair You take this he picked it up,
No, that's my door down andpicked up a deadly weapon. Yeah,
I think the I think the thethe operative aspect of any type of
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firearm stuff is training. If youhave not if you're not familiar with the
weapon system and you're not good withthe weapon system, that it doesn't matter
if you could be a ninja,But if you don't actually train, then
you're not gonna You're not gonna dothat. Good chances are you're setting yourself
at a disadvantage. Yeah. IWell, to bring it back down to
the topic, had there been somearmed civilians in that situation in Russia,
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turn the tide, could turn thetide enough, guys. But I didn't
see what weapons they are stooming,but it looked like they were a case
okay to seventy fours the case seventyfour US. So from the perspective that
I showed you, that would havebeen like a forty yard shot right from
and they were a clue they were. They were definitely in cover. So
realistically, anybody in this conversation,well except Wes, he'd probably shoot left,
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but you just kind of keep ayingme. But but the thing is
is that at forty yards you couldtake an aim shot and plug somebody in
the center mass and change the discussionat least momentarily. Even if you're not
going to be lethal. If theywere wearing something that was like it was
armor, you may not you'll knockthe shit out of them. You would
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kill them well, or you hitthem in the ass cheek and now they're
combat ineffective. So you just knockedone of you know, you're you're knocking
down their ability, and if yourstandoff would be really important at that point,
I wouldn't want to be close topeople that have higher out how higher
output weapons. I'd much rather bea little further away. That's why I
have some I can get further awayfrom the problem quicker quicker, because I
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know that bullet travels faster and Ican run. So I think that armed
people and I know they said thatthey defeated the guards. What were the
guards with, Bill, It's like, you know, like you get close
to them, grab them. I'mgonna take the gun away like that one
Mormon guy, take it away,shoot him with it. Now. The
I think that I think that armedsecurity is the only real security there is.
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I don't think there's I think onarmed security is just victims if somebody
wants to go to the X level, you know. So I think armed
security is the only viable thing.Especially maybe there'll be some rethinking of processes
in Russia after this, maybe forthose venues. But yeah, no,
they'll just hammer everybody else like everyoneelse does. It's your fault, it's
just happened. How dare you havean AK seventy four that you can't have?
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Yeah, that we are that youalready can't have. I mean,
but back to armed security, Imean, how many videos do you see
in Brazil and all that shit wherenobody's paying attention and they get to drop
on these guys when they have plentyof chances to not have that happen.
We've seen it here. How manyof your armed security are looking like Benedict
Arnold that we know? Well lookyeah, yeah, oh well yeah point
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yeah, yeah. I've seen somereally sloppy armed security guards in my day.
Yeah. I remember there was aguy used to show up with money.
He had like the brank security trucks, the armor trucks he should have
to drop off money at my college. And he had his either glock seventeen
or clock twenty. It was afull sus clock yet it and wholster that
was not secured properly. It waslike flopping back and forth. I was
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like eighteen eighteen, it's time watchingthis guy that was probably a couple years
older than I was, just witha firearm that was about ready to fall
off. The whole shore. I'mlikes called a quick draw rig bro.
Yeah, nothing's going to slow downthe draw. Well now, not to
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divert away but is anything else happeningthat you guys want to bring to the
table before we get done tonight.Well, I mentioned an Oregon law,
and there's House Bill two thousand andfive that got passed, and I think
this is one for us to justmake fun of. So it defines what
an undetectable firearm is and it punishesthe manufacturing, importing, offering for sale,
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or transferring undetectable firearms by maximum often years imprisonment, two hundred and
fifty thousand dollars fine or both.Is this where everybody starts talking about the
ceramic glock that was never made?Is that we're gonna start talking about?
Or if you like, if yougot some files from somewhere on the internet,
you pulled a print, shoot,repeat, and you made yourself a
MP five, you could hka slapall day. Dude. Every time you
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do that, I think this.I think the guys shooting the gun like
that, Yeah, that was him. Yeah, and that's three D printed
at pink glock and then yeah,Or like if you have an eighty percent
lower just hanging around and you haven'tbuilt it yet, under the law,
you would have to take it toan FFL and have them put a serial
number on it. How would theyknow it's a paper weight? I mean,
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I'm just curious. I mean,but I'd read it someone else.
Look, there's a lawyer online hadput a video up about it, and
he was basically saying, like forfirearms that don't look like what they're supposed
to be used for. It gotreally weird. The wording is very vague,
and it seemed like it was goingto ban firearms that would still have
a serial number. But hold on, so it look like a gun.
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Do the coast just have to tryto outsuck each other? So raws me
the question like if I gilly upa rifle, right, does that suddenly
because if it stops looking like afirearm at that point, does it?
Does it? You know, goagainst the line? You know what you
know, what I say is you'rea criminal, so prepare prepare for prison.
That's no. Look, My pointwith that is is because they st
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okay, mat you see what Deandid there? Don't ever do that?
Well yeah, well yeah, wow, that's that one. That one does
do it? So as far asthe uh, because I know there was
like plastic lowers, there were plasticlowers there there are aluminum eighty percent lowers.
There's all these different manufactured items thattheoretically, I think that what people
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don't understand about purchasing a firearm.Okay, so you gun control people,
you need to understand something. It'sillegal to have a registry of firearms.
Okay, unless it's a specialized thinglike a controlled item like a suppressor or
a SBR lower or something like that, a short barreled rifle, you know
something, there's something unique, sothat would probably cover those two items,
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right, or a fully automatic weapon. If you are an FFL that has
classed what three? Is that?What it is? Three? Okay?
Those are serialized and those are thoseare actually indexed. But here's the reality.
When you purchase a firearm. Ifpat buys a gun, they do
the background check, They verify thatPad is not an animal, and he
is not you know, he's notsome you know, felon or whatever,
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you know, he's he can legallypurchase a firearm. That firearm is purchased,
there's paperwork filed, the serial numbersstated that it was sold to him
on that date period, and thenafter that there is no follow up.
It's done unless that firearm changes hands. It just says that there's this firearm.
A firearm was purchased with this serialnumber. It doesn't specify the fucking
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gun. It's just that just itwas purchased, well and at a given
point. That is even It's likeit's only for so long before that record
is supposedly destroyed. And we alsoknow in the computer ads that's not true,
but it's de facto. But sevenyears, I think you have the
whole that paperwork. Yeah, no, as a failure suposed to hold onto
it forever. Right, and thenif you surrender your fl you give that
all to the ATF. Yeah.Yeah, you have to surrender to them
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if they come and they ask forit. Right, So theoretically, so
what it means is is that thethe seller of the tool has to maintain
the record. It doesn't go tothe state police or the ATF. So
that's how they keep them, unlessyou have a state that has a private
sale. Right, don't know wherethe paperwork went or it changed out.
It's like I moved from Oregon toMontana. Okay, good luck finding any
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of that ship. Okay, you'renot making my point here, you're hurting
my points. So my point isis that the only way a firearm is
sold was purchased legally after our backgroundcheck is through, is through that legal
legal process and that framework. Soyou're not gonna accidentally get a firearm from
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a legal seller from an FFL.It's going and there's no touching as a
gun show loophole. There's no loopholes. They check every that's bullshit. Yeah,
yeah, And the loophole argument,there's so many different takes on what
that is. Some people say,well, the gun show LOOPO, like,
you don't have to have a backgroundcheck if you buy gun to a
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gun show, Okay, if it'sa private sale wrong, If it's an
FFL, that's there you still haveto get But some people think that the
FFLs are sawing them. Uh.And then there's the other definition what the
loophole is was basically, I goto the gun show, I talk to
a guy. He says, Ihave a gun that I was going to
sell here with me in the trunkof my car. I'll sell to you
out the parking lot. Still,if it's in a state where you can
(27:30):
legally do that, like Montana,where pat is nothing wrong with that,
you just it's just more convenient becauseyou have to do that, like my
people go to jail here in don'tdo that. Yeah, I know you're
here. You go out in theparking lot because you're at a gun show.
That you can't do that froze upon the that's a crime, you
(27:51):
cannot. But hey man, I'llgo outside the slay your gun. No
to jail. Yeah here in Oregon, yes, because uh here too they
let's they passed a lot later.Okay, I thought Montana was more gun
No, but yeah, okay,all these Texas in a gun show here,
Yes, you don't have to doa background that it is correct,
Okay, okay, but private saleoutside like say, guy at the gun
(28:14):
showed, now, okay, don'tdo that. And then there's another part.
Let's say out out in public.Let's say, yeah, I have
a friend and I'm trying to sella rifle to make some money. You
can you can get to Okay,so stand by one. Lets let's let's
close this loophole too, because let'sbe perfectly honest and perfectly clear about why
you'd have someone perform a background checkon someone who's purchasing a firearm from you,
because if they commit a crime withthat gun, it's you they're going
(28:40):
to be looking at. That's thereason why you do that. So it's
it's a self solving it's not.It's not. It's not a solution looking
for a problem. It's a selfsolving problem. Like, look, if
I'm going to sell this to anunknown third party, like if you gave
it to your brother, like that'scompletely legal, that's the family thing.
You just hand it to your brother. But if you're if the family allowance
that mom gave me a bunch ofrifles that she want, but it took
them. If your brother has beenlike raping like you know, fucking you
(29:04):
know, you know, men inprison and has a you know, felony
list a fucking mile long, andyou're handing a gun you just committed to
felony, So it's you know,it's yeah, yeah, so no,
I mean the point being is isthat I think I think there's a lot
of misconceptions, a lot of misunderstandingsabout what you can and what you cannot
(29:27):
do as far as purchase can firearm. Right now, I bought a
twenty two for teaching my son howto shoot. Is in my possessions my
gun, Kid's gonna I'm in undermy supervision, he will be shooting in
twenty two. Well, it tookfour days even with the CHL in Oregon
to get the background check back.So I think we are also looking at
(29:51):
you know, our state police potentiallyhave reduced their manning, which could be
because some type of budgetary thing,or they're dragging their feet. It's one
of the other. It's kind ofa it's kind of a plus or minus.
You don't I can't tell which oneis which, because I've talked to
the command lieutenant of that of thatunit, and they said, dude,
it's because we're trying, because wejust get we keep on getting people removed,
(30:12):
We keep on this. It's andbecause and you're at the discretion of
the person, because they get alot of like avery, me, you
and any any of us could beput on a hold just because somebody who
is a civilian look at it.He goes hold and and they flags,
they flag it to be looked atagain. And that's the kind of thing
that people need to be held accountableand put in jail for because it's a
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right. A right denied is ayou know, actually was a right delayed
is a right denied, right,So yeah, I think there needs to
be some reconciliation there, at leastat least in state of Oregon, it
seems like. But I don't thinkgun control is much of a solution because
criminals are going to get guns.I mean, when you have federal programs
like Fast and Furious that was gunrunning, that were gun run across across
(30:57):
federal borders, It's like, comeon, man, yeah, it's in
the people getting screwed, whether it'sthe cops not doing their job or the
government's gun running whatever. Well,yeah it was a mass shooting. We
didn't do our job. We justkind of stand out the hallway for an
hour and a half. A bunchof kids get shot. You know what,
Fuck you guys. I'm gonna say, like the policing thing, I
(31:19):
can't even hold the accountability like thoseguys. That was a statistical small number
of people that would be that ineptunder that condition, right, Like,
we just had a guy get shotback east because of what that caused,
It's not fuck them. So thisis where I have the Montana perspectives,
(31:40):
where it's like it's true, you'regiving more tools to an agency that is
more in nov oh ya, okay, the ATO I was talking about local
police, not the ATF, butthat well that also depends, I mean
your local police. Probably after thatmost of them are going to go full
yard and go screw it. There'skids involved, yeah, go, I
(32:02):
mean yeah, you know, it'sthere's no reason to give the government more
tools like that the bludgeon you withever, and that's I mean I feel
needs to be repelled. Yeah,Jesus, yeah, there's yeah, there's
just that was a that was aoopsie on everybody's part by supporting the now
(32:25):
so, I mean there's a lotof things that go with it, with
statistics and you know, gun controlworks. And it was like, then,
how come when we remove the sixlargest cities in the nation that have
the strictest gun controls, we goto the third bottom of the list in
gun crimes on the planet? Noship, Yes, that's that's pretty amazing.
(32:45):
Chicago, Philadelphia, l A,d C. I can't remember big
big cities. We go third tothe bottom, and those cities have the
strictest gun control on the planet orin the nation. Excuse me, huh,
So not to derail since I knowwe're outside the thirty minute window,
(33:06):
anything coming up on your end,avery any new products going to hit the
market that you're aware of. Yeah, we have an a TACH class on
April twenty eighth, so if you'reinterested in learning attack, it will be
teams and it'll be an hour longand by the end of it, you'll
be able to maneuver inside of atech and be on a server and see
(33:27):
all the other people that are inthe class with you. So is atach
Is it like, is a techpay to play for Apple and free to
play for Android or is it allfree to list? That's I TACH and
it is open source or not opensource. It's on their play store or
whatever Apple's playstore is and you candownload it, but you really need to
(33:51):
have a server access or you cando these virtual servers and stuff. So
there's there's workarounds for it, andhe'll be talking about how to that type
of stuff up with zero Tier isthe one that we've used in the past,
but he has a server in anyway that does the class can use
the server just kind of like beon it and be familiar and see other
(34:12):
people and try and communicate with otherpeople and whatnot. Eventually we'll get to
the point where we're running mesh Tasticwith mesh devices and that will be really
cool and you get super robust.Now, how well does mesh work like
in like an urban environment. Isit line of side stuff or is it
it's nine hundred Well, I meanall radio stuff is lineupside allegedly, but
it's nine hundred megahertz and so thatdoes the best inside of urban environments.
(34:37):
Okay, So, but the perkwith using a mesh devices that it can
bounce from different nodes, different units, and so like if you go to
mesh Tastic website right now and youlook at your area of chances are they'll
be well maybe not maybe not Pat, but Bill and probably have some people.
And you can see the different nodesthat are set up out there,
and chances are you could probably jumpsome nodes. Like if you're in Portland
(35:00):
or if you're in you know,Eugene Salem. We're a normal sized town,
you know, now, is itit's pretty big out here? I
bet yeah, yeah, especially upand down the valley because it's a freaking
straight shot. Though. Nope,I'll I'll try to make it to that
class. I'd be interesting, I'dbe good at education. Yeah, and
(35:22):
then uh yeah, so I don'tknow if everybody's been doing lots of shooting.
I have because I figured out thatI need to actually be able to
shoot the guns that I have becauseit's fun. You know. I want
to try to get out with you. I'll not forgure to go next weekend,
Bill, but I want to goout again. Yeah if we if
we do go, Yeah, I'vegot to order some more AMMO, which
(35:42):
animal has gotten pretty ugly lately.It's gone up like three or four cents
around, so we're almost at fortysix cents around for five five six And
because five five six right now ischeaper than two two three, which is
really strange. And then nine milimeteris like twenty six cents around. I
think you got to ask Red Earthconcealment. Since I started following him on
(36:04):
on the gram and he's he's beengoing to like Travis Haley classes and stuff.
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Hey, I'm Wes and welcome toUnsuppressed. We're back after taking a quick
break, and uh, it justhappened to line up with some major world
events and some local events that happened, and so today's topic is going to
be about gun control, so uh, getting that out there right away,
so be a fun political discussion.Get the fuck off my podcast. No
(00:25):
no, no, no, nono, don't you need to stay and
understand why gun control is a badidea. Go buy some rope, find
an am Sorry, Pat moths outwith belling this one as much as I
want to be the bearded man thatsays, oh smash, reason wins on
this one. So in case youhadn't seen the news, basically, life
(00:48):
imitated art and we had an actualsituation that lined up with some Call of
duty video games. A lot ofpeople and some people were shot up in
Russia by a now known to bea Islamic terrorist script that had committed the
attack, and I think guys oftoday people have been arrested. Bill.
They said that there were twelve orfourteen people, Okay, am, I
(01:11):
correct, twelve, no, eleven, sorry, eleven people were connected to
this, including the three people orthree or four of them that conducted the
shooting, and they were they theysaid they admitted their guilt, and I'm
like that sounds very Russian, almostlike they found people and said you did
it, and then now you're goingto admit to it, so we don't
lose face, which is what thattells me. I mean, I know
(01:33):
that Russia like, uh, whatis his name, John Brenner, the
guy who was a former CIA director. He did I may be misquoting,
but he did say that Russia tendsto really suppress the casualty numbers to make
it not look as bad as itactually is. So I understand that.
So it's it's if they were ableto Okay, So this is my perspective.
(01:59):
The fact that the gunman were ableto leave, they were able to
set the building on fire, theywere able to conduct and shoot the hell
out of a bunch of people andleave and then they have to get picked
up later. That is something thatis just wait, what you know,
like, how did you respond thatpoorly to the situation? So just go
ahead, and I just that's justinsane. But with it being the twenty
(02:21):
first century and them not wearing masksfor whatever reason, there was something to
any of them, Well, theyweren't worried about COVID. One video you
send me the other day built thatmade me say that we should pick this
as our topic. It was likesomeone up in a balcony it looked like
a shopping mall holding their phone andthey're just like, yeah, watching people
get fucking shot. You know,I wonder if that's a coping mechanism.
(02:42):
What do you think, avery,I mean, is that a situation like
you're displacing yourself out of the situationemotionally, I'm gonna film this and then
it's not like it's real. Heythere you go, Hey, hey,
put It seems like if people can'thelp or they don't want to help,
they're going to film it. It'sthe weirdest thing. Well, I think
there's a name for it, actual, so I forget what it is.
But it's basically where you you separateyourself from the reality of it, so
(03:05):
you're like, oh, look atthat, and then if you put it
in front of a screen, it'slike not real anymore, so you can
it could just happen. But ifthey didn't have their phones in their hands,
they'd be like, wait, it'slike we should probably not be here
cleaving seems like like I'm gonna saythis, if they're around snapping by you,
you should seek cover, not concealment. Yeah, that's you need to
(03:27):
put distance between you and where that'scoming from. Similarly, you see those
big fires or something in some otherplace and then it explodes and you can
see the shockwave moving towards the cameraand the camera guys just standing there.
Oh, shockwave coming the was itlike a fireworks place and it was in
that was a couple. There wasa pier that happened in some sort of
(03:50):
like yeah whatever. In Beirut thatwas nuts and the one in China they're
like, oh, look it's gonnaboom and they're like, eh h,
that guy didn't make it. Youknow, your iPhone's tough though, I
mean, you're dead, but youknow so you know, so yeah,
no, it's it was it's asituation that I think what I found I
(04:10):
think what I found the most interesting. I mean, because there's empathy.
Even though Russia is not our allyin any way, shape or form.
I don't have a problem with Russianpeople and having you know, everybody should
live within a reasonable expectation to beable to go to the store or go
to the concert and not worry aboutgetting mowed down by a bunch of cheese
dicks going to a la akbar.I mean, well, I don't want
(04:32):
to be held liable for what mygovernment does in other countries. I'm not
going to hold other liable liable forwhat their countries do. Yeah, and
it's like, I know that theUnited States Intelligence Services provided like a heads
up, like, hey, something'scoming down the pipe. Russia said,
hey, the FSB said we foundit, you know, we squashed it's
no problem, and then two weekslater they did it. Now, I
(04:55):
mean that was a true believerism.So I mean, how many people have
infiltrated Russia? Well where you know, how many people have come here that
I probably have at a farisontent overthe course of the last what three years
and after with the open border stuff. So I could see there there could
be some linearness that happens here.That's twelve million uncertainty right there. Oh
(05:15):
that's a lot of dudes. Theyalso make the assumption that those plans haven't
been sewn for decades, if nota century. So yeah, yeah,
yeah, you know, there's alot of different sleeper cells. Yeah,
I mean that's the that's like thethe interesting part because people say, well,
you know, well, what doyou think is going to happen?
(05:36):
And because I constantly have conversations withJeremy about this, because he always deals
with a lot of people who areyou know, either dealing with human trafficking
or drug stuff or you know,there's always something going on with the business
that he's in. He is,what do you think about all the illegal
immigrants, because we're starting to seehim in mass is starting to be a
(05:57):
thing. Heause, do you thinkwe're going to see the terrorist stuff?
And I said, well, Ithink it's I think it's a percentage.
But I also think that the bestsift or the best you know, filter
against those problems are the community groupsthat they inherently get into that maybe have
started that direction and said, well, I don't think I want to blow
this place up because no one givesa shit what I do. I have
a better standard of living, andI if I blow this up, our
(06:18):
whole community is going to go down. Well, anybody who's a true believer
that I think they get turned in. I don't think there's any such thing
as true like crack, like incrediblygreat investigative work. It's always somebody told
on somebody and then they acted onit. I mean, it's not like
you just discovered it. It's notlike a movie, you know. So
I mean, cause think about it. If you're you're like, hey,
(06:38):
I'm from X y Z Country andyou know, I came over here and
I was like, man, fuckthis place. But this is this is
so bad. This is great.You know, I have a better standard
of living and everything's going well.I have my community group and now we
have a bunch of other people comingin. They're like, oh, yeah,
we're gonna blow this shit up.The fuck you are because they're going
to point there, you know there, you know, finger of justice at
me too. I'm gonna go aheadand you know, all form and I
(07:00):
think that's how. I think that'swhat stops a lot of those things.
But I don't think it's going tostop everything because I mean, look at
what's happening downtown Portland. You havethe cartel basically controlling what ninety percent of
the human trafficking and drug trade.So it's pretty pretty problematic. But back
to the the gun control part.Russia has massive gun control, And I
(07:21):
found it odd that on Reddit nobodywas talking about gun control in Russia.
They were like, oh my,look at the great response. I'm like,
there's like one hundred and fifteen peopledead. Dude, I mean,
that's like epic of numbers. Imean, if Avery would have had like
a p shooter, a fucking bowand arrow, he probably could have stopped
it. I mean, you know, the whole scheme of things. Well,
Russia is known for their like terroristattacks and stuff like that. I
(07:44):
mean they I think the the Russianresponse caused more deaths in that Peter Oh
that's right, Oh god, fiftypeople? Yeah, yeah, yet it
on fire. Got an idea,a comrade, No one's getting out.
Are we do pretty good at Wacotoo? Yeah? Yeah, we have
(08:07):
our we have our own you know, high speed load drag moments. Well,
we have our shame moments, RubyRidge, you know stuff. Oh
or how about the guy that's thecity council member. They got ventilated quite
a bit, but he's still alive. He died, he died, he
died, oh because I saw Ohhe was still alive. Now he got
(08:28):
on alive. Okay, he wasdead as GSW do ahead, apparently he
succumbed to his wounds and they wentafter him because he was selling firearms without
a license. You know that newgun control bill they signed last year after
you know, Elvad cops were cowardsand uh yeah, so instead of actually
being like, hey, you can'tdo this, they're just like, we'll
blow your door off the hedges,get shot at and kill you. Yeah.
(08:52):
I guess one of the one ofthe ATF agents got hit in the
hail of gunfire. I mean probablyby I don't dude, but I mean
side the point, the the factof the matter is there was an egg
corn involved. Yeah. Well,look, I'm gonna say this. I
think that the no knock warrant thing, it may have its place. Like
I know, we're kind of allof the board like we are normally,
but when we're talking we're talking aboutgun control, it's kind of wide reaching.
(09:15):
But when no knock raids, ifyou're hitting like like something, that's
I guess a high likelihood of anegative outcome, like you're like some hideout
of you know, some you knowBonnie and Clyde gang or something, you
know, the back level. Yeah, okay, sure, you know,
do the thing. But the dudethat's a sitting council member. He could
(09:35):
have just you could have picked himup at like going to get gas.
Hey, dude, you know,I think we lost you there for a
second. Every hear your muty himto come down to the freaking police station
and they'd be like, oh yeah, sure, yeah, yeah, but
they don't do that. So whatthey do, Oh, guns are evolved
so that, you know what ajudge, let's not forget their place in
(09:56):
all this bullshit too. Oh it'sdangerous blow the door off the hinges at
six o'clock in the morning. Yeah, that's just really odd to me.
It's like, I mean why,I mean, the guy ran the regional
airport. He's a sixty whatever citycouncil. Ever, it's not like he
didn't know where to go talk tohim or get him. Yeah, he
(10:16):
was the wait till he's home inthe morning and go do the stupid bullshit
exactly. Okay, dude, Iwas watching the eyewitness I'm laughing, but
I was watching the eyewitness testimony fromthe neighbors. They were like, we
had no idea what was going on, Like, what in the hell is
going on on my corner? Andwe're like, yeah, dude, you
guys literally rated the regular guy's house. It doesn't matter if he was committing
(10:39):
some stupid infraction of a fiat law. It does It doesn't matter. You
could have just did it more intelligently. Who signed off on that? You
know what? What judge signed offon that? It's like, or what
was the other mega infraction? Oh, scot has said that Texas can't enforce
illegal immigration laws. You know,that's an interesting one. You can't give
(11:01):
you Texas was enforcing a federal lawthat the federal government said they didn't want
to enforce. So you know,we're just gonna go ahead and do your
job for you because we're Texas.But that's the show, everybody. Well,
that would be nice to end itearly because I just realized how tired
I am, because yeah, it'sokay, you're a ghost conference with crowndszero
(11:22):
like about forty five minutes ago.Now just wait a minute, Okay,
hold on this story. Just wejust turned a complete different angle here on
Unsuppressed. We have roots in conspiraeffect. Just talk about ghost stories and
ship what do you guys do?I'm just curious. I met up with
Sherry and Cherry said to say,Hi, Oh cool, and she said,
I want to come on your show. I'm like, we talk about
(11:43):
guns and talk about pulling or ticksout and no talking about what I'd say.
What I'd say is is we talkedabout focus on guns. We don't
do conspiracy theories or paranormal stuff anymore. I want to talk about guns.
So as you even get her backon I, I told her that you
know, you're looking at doing tradingclasses, and she said she would love
to, you know, take agun training class. So she's she's like,
(12:07):
which everyone says that everyone that knowsyou Bill is like, I'll take
a class from Bill. So whyI'm not qualified to teach anything. I
can teach the foundation of how toeat cereal or something like that. People's
skills and knowledge of firearms, It'slike that's all you need. Yeah,
look, hey, do you knowhow many firearms and structors are complete dick
(12:28):
bags, like complete full of bloodymost bags. Yeah, You're not a
bag. So people are learning fromyou. I'm curious how many people,
how many schools, Like I mean, I know you've done some competitive shooting
stuff when you were doing this stufffor gret Ghosts, right, go on
to those things. Have you doneany like? That? Was just fun?
I did a competitive shooting in twothousand and three. That's why I
(12:50):
did my competitive shooting. Okay,what'd you Okay, So I've watched like
like the us SP what is itUSPCA? Is that what it is?
Three gun and two gun? Yes, I'm sure that's an acronym something along
this. So it's basically you're shootingiPSC targets and you're going between gates and
PPPW that stuff. What's the clienttele like of or is it just as
(13:11):
mixed as anything you'd run into everywhere? Is it just as so? At
the Three of Them Memorial, whichis what we do every year, or
RAGO supports every year down in NorthCarolina around October timeframe, there's a lot
of military. Probably half the peoplethere are military, you know, current
members, and since is in NorthCarolina, there's a lot of high speed
(13:35):
people there. And then the restof them are competitive shooters that fight for
slots to do this competition and they'relike this is some of them, this
is like their jam, Like thisis exactly what they do all the time.
Some of them it's like a parttime thing and they're just really good
at it. So well, Imean, I mean, I so the
(13:56):
personalities are as diverse as anything you'dsee from hunting to anything. Just it's
everybody. It's whatever. If that'syour thing, you just go do it
kind of deal or is it oris it kind of go the spectaums of
the classic mail driven sports. Sothere's alp and then the few and the
few women that try to you know, get in there too and do it
with them are just they act likemen. So and I'm not saying that's
(14:20):
a bad thing. I'm just sayingthat's you asked what they're like, that's
they're like, they're very loud andvoisterous and all right. So now I
just thought, I just literally thoughtof what's his face to do as a
running back for a Seattle ho dick? Alright, So anyway, that's exactly
what it made me think of MarshallMarshaw Lynch. Yeah. So the other
(14:45):
portion that I can see is like, I know, the tactical games,
have you are you going to dothat? Are you actually going to go
try one of those events? Iknow a couple guys that do that,
and they said, it's really alot of fun, and it does kind
of hit that that's the demographic thatI think that's like that the most alpha
of all those kind of you know, that's like the super alpha. You're
taking the two you got to likecross it and you got guns, and
(15:07):
they probably all drive trucks, andso there you go. You got all
of the all the the cheese inone. You know. So I have
a question. Okay, so nowwe're going back to gun control because I
did orient this properly. Do youthink that those sports, those type of
competitions. Do you think that's apositive outlet and maybe positive traction to show
(15:28):
that there is a positive reason toown the type of guns that everybody wants
to ban. Do you think that'sreally a thing? Sure? Is it?
I mean you can one side ofthe aisle will sit there and tell
you that we don't need guns atall. But those are people that don't
use guns. I'd be similar tosomebody living in New York saying, well,
we don't need cars or we don'tneed gas. Right. Wait,
they do do that actually, butthey don't drive because they have other,
(15:52):
you know, means of transportation thatare local. They have no problem using
public transportation because most of them,that's all they do. But I can
tell you as somebody has had theirtheir birds and different animals excuse me,
has had different animals attacked, youknow, on a farm, it would
it would be nice to have someway of protecting my animals and potentially myself
(16:17):
if need be so. But thenyou know, then they start trying to
quantify, like, well, youdon't need you know, all you need
is a double world shotgun, buckshot or whatever. I had a conversation
with someone who had somewhere mindset onthat. We talked. I showed him
the podcast yesterday and then he cameby and he wanted to make sure he
had the right link to listen toit. Then he there's a fire along
(16:40):
that went off in the building.We stepped outside and he was talking about
how, oh yeah, I getto argument all the high like people who
say that that you need a rifleor a pistol for for self defense.
I kin't. He didn't say itall right, but I picked up that
he was more into shotgunds, andI didn't correct them on it. I'm
like, well, yeah, ifit shoots, it shoots, Yeah,
Like that's why we're or jacket Idon't wear I use jacket a hollow points
(17:02):
in my handgut, And so hedoesn't because he was talking about like worrying
about rifle and pistol rounds going toofar into walls, and he is right
there. You know, they cango too far if he hits the wall
put in there. I didn't geta chance to ask him because he didn't
you know, double lot. Yeah, but yeah, some some loads of
shotgun aren't going to go too deeplike bird shot, so are going to
go through two layers of drywall veryeffectively. I think it's all relative range
(17:26):
dynamics. There's so many dynamics there. Here's here's the reality. Things better
than nothing. Anyway, you shouldget yourself a four millimeternade launcher. Yeah,
fu shotguns. I was interested ingetting into deband time because it's like
I rather have someone defend themselves withany kind of firearm than with a baseball
bat. Here's what I here's whatI say about shotguns. They run out
of rounds really quick. That's aboutit. That. I mean, everything
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else is great about it, butthey just run out of bullet. Last
thing. I mean, it dependson the application in a house. I
mean you're almost guaranteed lethal sixteen feetalmost, but you know sure if someone
shotguns a viable weapon, sure,rifles viable, A hand goes vible.
I don't know wes baseball bat.I don't know braining someone with a baseball
(18:08):
bat get a lot of lifetime aggressionout on somebody. Yeah, but do
you want to be that close tothem? Absolutely fucking not. What do
you mean do you want to closewith your enemy? Well, someone who's
a fan of Ground zero gifted mea baseball bat, a metal one that
has metal studs all in it,and oh it will kill. Okay,
So I leave that by the doorto give whoever breaks into my house a
(18:30):
fighting chance because I'm not playing afair You take this he picked it up,
No, that's my door down andpicked up a deadly weapon. Yeah,
I think the I think the thethe operative aspect of any type of
(18:51):
firearm stuff is training. If youhave not if you're not familiar with the
weapon system and you're not good withthe weapon system, that it doesn't matter
if you could be a ninja,But if you don't actually train, then
you're not gonna You're not gonna dothat. Good chances are you're setting yourself
at a disadvantage. Yeah. IWell, to bring it back down to
the topic, had there been somearmed civilians in that situation in Russia,
(19:15):
turn the tide, could turn thetide enough, guys. But I didn't
see what weapons they are stooming,but it looked like they were a case
okay to seventy fours the case seventyfour US. So from the perspective that
I showed you, that would havebeen like a forty yard shot right from
and they were a clue they were. They were definitely in cover. So
realistically, anybody in this conversation,well except Wes, he'd probably shoot left,
(19:38):
but you just kind of keep ayingme. But but the thing is
is that at forty yards you couldtake an aim shot and plug somebody in
the center mass and change the discussionat least momentarily. Even if you're not
going to be lethal. If theywere wearing something that was like it was
armor, you may not you'll knockthe shit out of them. You would
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kill them well, or you hitthem in the ass cheek and now they're
combat ineffective. So you just knockedone of you know, you're you're knocking
down their ability, and if yourstandoff would be really important at that point,
I wouldn't want to be close topeople that have higher out how higher
output weapons. I'd much rather bea little further away. That's why I
have some I can get further awayfrom the problem quicker quicker, because I
(20:21):
know that bullet travels faster and Ican run. So I think that armed
people and I know they said thatthey defeated the guards. What were the
guards with, Bill, It's like, you know, like you get close
to them, grab them. I'mgonna take the gun away like that one
Mormon guy, take it away,shoot him with it. Now. The
I think that I think that armedsecurity is the only real security there is.
(20:45):
I don't think there's I think onarmed security is just victims if somebody
wants to go to the X level, you know. So I think armed
security is the only viable thing.Especially maybe there'll be some rethinking of processes
in Russia after this, maybe forthose venues. But yeah, no,
they'll just hammer everybody else like everyoneelse does. It's your fault, it's
just happened. How dare you havean AK seventy four that you can't have?
(21:08):
Yeah, that we are that youalready can't have. I mean,
but back to armed security, Imean, how many videos do you see
in Brazil and all that shit wherenobody's paying attention and they get to drop
on these guys when they have plentyof chances to not have that happen.
We've seen it here. How manyof your armed security are looking like Benedict
Arnold that we know? Well lookyeah, yeah, oh well yeah point
(21:33):
yeah, yeah. I've seen somereally sloppy armed security guards in my day.
Yeah. I remember there was aguy used to show up with money.
He had like the brank security trucks, the armor trucks he should have
to drop off money at my college. And he had his either glock seventeen
or clock twenty. It was afull sus clock yet it and wholster that
was not secured properly. It waslike flopping back and forth. I was
(21:55):
like eighteen eighteen, it's time watchingthis guy that was probably a couple years
older than I was, just witha firearm that was about ready to fall
off. The whole shore. I'mlikes called a quick draw rig bro.
Yeah, nothing's going to slow downthe draw. Well now, not to
(22:17):
divert away but is anything else happeningthat you guys want to bring to the
table before we get done tonight.Well, I mentioned an Oregon law,
and there's House Bill two thousand andfive that got passed, and I think
this is one for us to justmake fun of. So it defines what
an undetectable firearm is and it punishesthe manufacturing, importing, offering for sale,
(22:37):
or transferring undetectable firearms by maximum often years imprisonment, two hundred and
fifty thousand dollars fine or both.Is this where everybody starts talking about the
ceramic glock that was never made?Is that we're gonna start talking about?
Or if you like, if yougot some files from somewhere on the internet,
you pulled a print, shoot,repeat, and you made yourself a
MP five, you could hka slapall day. Dude. Every time you
(23:03):
do that, I think this.I think the guys shooting the gun like
that, Yeah, that was him. Yeah, and that's three D printed
at pink glock and then yeah,Or like if you have an eighty percent
lower just hanging around and you haven'tbuilt it yet, under the law,
you would have to take it toan FFL and have them put a serial
number on it. How would theyknow it's a paper weight? I mean,
(23:25):
I'm just curious. I mean,but I'd read it someone else.
Look, there's a lawyer online hadput a video up about it, and
he was basically saying, like forfirearms that don't look like what they're supposed
to be used for. It gotreally weird. The wording is very vague,
and it seemed like it was goingto ban firearms that would still have
a serial number. But hold on, so it look like a gun.
(23:48):
Do the coast just have to tryto outsuck each other? So raws me
the question like if I gilly upa rifle, right, does that suddenly
because if it stops looking like afirearm at that point, does it?
Does it? You know, goagainst the line? You know what you
know, what I say is you'rea criminal, so prepare prepare for prison.
That's no. Look, My pointwith that is is because they st
(24:11):
okay, mat you see what Deandid there? Don't ever do that?
Well yeah, well yeah, wow, that's that one. That one does
do it? So as far asthe uh, because I know there was
like plastic lowers, there were plasticlowers there there are aluminum eighty percent lowers.
There's all these different manufactured items thattheoretically, I think that what people
(24:33):
don't understand about purchasing a firearm.Okay, so you gun control people,
you need to understand something. It'sillegal to have a registry of firearms.
Okay, unless it's a specialized thinglike a controlled item like a suppressor or
a SBR lower or something like that, a short barreled rifle, you know
something, there's something unique, sothat would probably cover those two items,
(24:55):
right, or a fully automatic weapon. If you are an FFL that has
classed what three? Is that?What it is? Three? Okay?
Those are serialized and those are thoseare actually indexed. But here's the reality.
When you purchase a firearm. Ifpat buys a gun, they do
the background check, They verify thatPad is not an animal, and he
is not you know, he's notsome you know, felon or whatever,
(25:19):
you know, he's he can legallypurchase a firearm. That firearm is purchased,
there's paperwork filed, the serial numbersstated that it was sold to him
on that date period, and thenafter that there is no follow up.
It's done unless that firearm changes hands. It just says that there's this firearm.
A firearm was purchased with this serialnumber. It doesn't specify the fucking
(25:41):
gun. It's just that just itwas purchased, well and at a given
point. That is even It's likeit's only for so long before that record
is supposedly destroyed. And we alsoknow in the computer ads that's not true,
but it's de facto. But sevenyears, I think you have the
whole that paperwork. Yeah, no, as a failure suposed to hold onto
it forever. Right, and thenif you surrender your fl you give that
all to the ATF. Yeah.Yeah, you have to surrender to them
(26:03):
if they come and they ask forit. Right, So theoretically, so
what it means is is that thethe seller of the tool has to maintain
the record. It doesn't go tothe state police or the ATF. So
that's how they keep them, unlessyou have a state that has a private
sale. Right, don't know wherethe paperwork went or it changed out.
It's like I moved from Oregon toMontana. Okay, good luck finding any
(26:27):
of that ship. Okay, you'renot making my point here, you're hurting
my points. So my point isis that the only way a firearm is
sold was purchased legally after our backgroundcheck is through, is through that legal
legal process and that framework. Soyou're not gonna accidentally get a firearm from
(26:47):
a legal seller from an FFL.It's going and there's no touching as a
gun show loophole. There's no loopholes. They check every that's bullshit. Yeah,
yeah, And the loophole argument,there's so many different takes on what
that is. Some people say,well, the gun show LOOPO, like,
you don't have to have a backgroundcheck if you buy gun to a
(27:07):
gun show, Okay, if it'sa private sale wrong, If it's an
FFL, that's there you still haveto get But some people think that the
FFLs are sawing them. Uh.And then there's the other definition what the
loophole is was basically, I goto the gun show, I talk to
a guy. He says, Ihave a gun that I was going to
sell here with me in the trunkof my car. I'll sell to you
out the parking lot. Still,if it's in a state where you can
(27:30):
legally do that, like Montana,where pat is nothing wrong with that,
you just it's just more convenient becauseyou have to do that, like my
people go to jail here in don'tdo that. Yeah, I know you're
here. You go out in theparking lot because you're at a gun show.
That you can't do that froze upon the that's a crime, you
(27:51):
cannot. But hey man, I'llgo outside the slay your gun. No
to jail. Yeah here in Oregon, yes, because uh here too they
let's they passed a lot later.Okay, I thought Montana was more gun
No, but yeah, okay,all these Texas in a gun show here,
Yes, you don't have to doa background that it is correct,
Okay, okay, but private saleoutside like say, guy at the gun
(28:14):
showed, now, okay, don'tdo that. And then there's another part.
Let's say out out in public.Let's say, yeah, I have
a friend and I'm trying to sella rifle to make some money. You
can you can get to Okay,so stand by one. Lets let's let's
close this loophole too, because let'sbe perfectly honest and perfectly clear about why
you'd have someone perform a background checkon someone who's purchasing a firearm from you,
because if they commit a crime withthat gun, it's you they're going
(28:40):
to be looking at. That's thereason why you do that. So it's
it's a self solving it's not.It's not. It's not a solution looking
for a problem. It's a selfsolving problem. Like, look, if
I'm going to sell this to anunknown third party, like if you gave
it to your brother, like that'scompletely legal, that's the family thing.
You just hand it to your brother. But if you're if the family allowance
that mom gave me a bunch ofrifles that she want, but it took
them. If your brother has beenlike raping like you know, fucking you
(29:04):
know, you know, men inprison and has a you know, felony
list a fucking mile long, andyou're handing a gun you just committed to
felony, So it's you know,it's yeah, yeah, so no,
I mean the point being is isthat I think I think there's a lot
of misconceptions, a lot of misunderstandingsabout what you can and what you cannot
(29:27):
do as far as purchase can firearm. Right now, I bought a
twenty two for teaching my son howto shoot. Is in my possessions my
gun, Kid's gonna I'm in undermy supervision, he will be shooting in
twenty two. Well, it tookfour days even with the CHL in Oregon
to get the background check back.So I think we are also looking at
(29:51):
you know, our state police potentiallyhave reduced their manning, which could be
because some type of budgetary thing,or they're dragging their feet. It's one
of the other. It's kind ofa it's kind of a plus or minus.
You don't I can't tell which oneis which, because I've talked to
the command lieutenant of that of thatunit, and they said, dude,
it's because we're trying, because wejust get we keep on getting people removed,
(30:12):
We keep on this. It's andbecause and you're at the discretion of
the person, because they get alot of like avery, me, you
and any any of us could beput on a hold just because somebody who
is a civilian look at it.He goes hold and and they flags,
they flag it to be looked atagain. And that's the kind of thing
that people need to be held accountableand put in jail for because it's a
(30:33):
right. A right denied is ayou know, actually was a right delayed
is a right denied, right,So yeah, I think there needs to
be some reconciliation there, at leastat least in state of Oregon, it
seems like. But I don't thinkgun control is much of a solution because
criminals are going to get guns.I mean, when you have federal programs
like Fast and Furious that was gunrunning, that were gun run across across
(30:57):
federal borders, It's like, comeon, man, yeah, it's in
the people getting screwed, whether it'sthe cops not doing their job or the
government's gun running whatever. Well,yeah it was a mass shooting. We
didn't do our job. We justkind of stand out the hallway for an
hour and a half. A bunchof kids get shot. You know what,
Fuck you guys. I'm gonna say, like the policing thing, I
(31:19):
can't even hold the accountability like thoseguys. That was a statistical small number
of people that would be that ineptunder that condition, right, Like,
we just had a guy get shotback east because of what that caused,
It's not fuck them. So thisis where I have the Montana perspectives,
(31:40):
where it's like it's true, you'regiving more tools to an agency that is
more in nov oh ya, okay, the ATO I was talking about local
police, not the ATF, butthat well that also depends, I mean
your local police. Probably after thatmost of them are going to go full
yard and go screw it. There'skids involved, yeah, go, I
(32:02):
mean yeah, you know, it'sthere's no reason to give the government more
tools like that the bludgeon you withever, and that's I mean I feel
needs to be repelled. Yeah,Jesus, yeah, there's yeah, there's
just that was a that was aoopsie on everybody's part by supporting the now
(32:25):
so, I mean there's a lotof things that go with it, with
statistics and you know, gun controlworks. And it was like, then,
how come when we remove the sixlargest cities in the nation that have
the strictest gun controls, we goto the third bottom of the list in
gun crimes on the planet? Noship, Yes, that's that's pretty amazing.
(32:45):
Chicago, Philadelphia, l A,d C. I can't remember big
big cities. We go third tothe bottom, and those cities have the
strictest gun control on the planet orin the nation. Excuse me, huh,
So not to derail since I knowwe're outside the thirty minute window,
(33:06):
anything coming up on your end,avery any new products going to hit the
market that you're aware of. Yeah, we have an a TACH class on
April twenty eighth, so if you'reinterested in learning attack, it will be
teams and it'll be an hour longand by the end of it, you'll
be able to maneuver inside of atech and be on a server and see
(33:27):
all the other people that are inthe class with you. So is atach
Is it like, is a techpay to play for Apple and free to
play for Android or is it allfree to list? That's I TACH and
it is open source or not opensource. It's on their play store or
whatever Apple's playstore is and you candownload it, but you really need to
(33:51):
have a server access or you cando these virtual servers and stuff. So
there's there's workarounds for it, andhe'll be talking about how to that type
of stuff up with zero Tier isthe one that we've used in the past,
but he has a server in anyway that does the class can use
the server just kind of like beon it and be familiar and see other
(34:12):
people and try and communicate with otherpeople and whatnot. Eventually we'll get to
the point where we're running mesh Tasticwith mesh devices and that will be really
cool and you get super robust.Now, how well does mesh work like
in like an urban environment. Isit line of side stuff or is it
it's nine hundred Well, I meanall radio stuff is lineupside allegedly, but
it's nine hundred megahertz and so thatdoes the best inside of urban environments.
(34:37):
Okay, So, but the perkwith using a mesh devices that it can
bounce from different nodes, different units, and so like if you go to
mesh Tastic website right now and youlook at your area of chances are they'll
be well maybe not maybe not Pat, but Bill and probably have some people.
And you can see the different nodesthat are set up out there,
and chances are you could probably jumpsome nodes. Like if you're in Portland
(35:00):
or if you're in you know,Eugene Salem. We're a normal sized town,
you know, now, is itit's pretty big out here? I
bet yeah, yeah, especially upand down the valley because it's a freaking
straight shot. Though. Nope,I'll I'll try to make it to that
class. I'd be interesting, I'dbe good at education. Yeah, and
(35:22):
then uh yeah, so I don'tknow if everybody's been doing lots of shooting.
I have because I figured out thatI need to actually be able to
shoot the guns that I have becauseit's fun. You know. I want
to try to get out with you. I'll not forgure to go next weekend,
Bill, but I want to goout again. Yeah if we if
we do go, Yeah, I'vegot to order some more AMMO, which
(35:42):
animal has gotten pretty ugly lately.It's gone up like three or four cents
around, so we're almost at fortysix cents around for five five six And
because five five six right now ischeaper than two two three, which is
really strange. And then nine milimeteris like twenty six cents around. I
think you got to ask Red Earthconcealment. Since I started following him on
(36:04):
on the gram and he's he's beengoing to like Travis Haley classes and stuff.
I want to I want to continuethese conversations. Off are go ahead.
We'll wrap up the podcast for thisweek, But guys check us out
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a lot. That's great stuff.Yeah, good stuff. I told the
guy at Sportsman's Warehouse was there acouple WEEKDS ago, and he was talking
(37:07):
about there's a pistol he had thatdidn't have a holster for it, and
I'm like, dude, hit upJohn. So I showed him the Instagram
page and said, go, youknow, go contact him and order a
holster. You're not going to regretit, so let's get do it first
here this week. So appreciate youguys for listen, keep putting the comments
(37:27):
up. We'll do another comment reviewshow coming up on episode thirty. But
I remember when it comes to riots, whether it be the First Amendment,
Second Amendment, or all the others, make sure you stay unsuppressed. See
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