Buffalo Bills 2025 Mock Draft! | UR - Under Review

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Speaker 1 (00:14):
Previous play. We'll go under review.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
What's going on everybody, and thank you so much for
being here for this week's episode of Under Review. My
name is Joe DeRosa. You can find me on Twitter
slash x at show Underscore DeRosa. Tonight's tagline has nothing
to do with football but Coheat and Cambrio's new album
came out about two weeks ago and I really like it.
So there's the tagline. There's your explanation. Tonight's episode is

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continuing on the draft season for this show. Last week
I hosted James Foster of the thirty third Team, a
fantastic draft mind who was able to give us some
insight into some prospects that you might have heard about,
as well as some that might be a little bit
under the radar that could be on the bills radar
at positions of need in this upcoming class. And this
week I wanted to run a mock draft, just a

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fun little exercise where we could just go over the board,
see what it looks like and make some decisions together
as a family, you all and us, and yes I
say us, not just me. We I'm bringing back my
buddy John Helmcamp to join me on this mock draft. John,
Welcome back to the show. How are you doing tonight.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
My friend, Buddy. I am good. I'm glad to be here.
It is draft season. We're like three and a half
weeks away. It's right around the corner. Got here quickly.
I'm really really excited to dive in. It's a really
it's a really interesting and there's a lot of players
at positions of need for the Bills, So I think

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it's it's a really good situation for Brandon ban to
be and he's got ten picks to utilize. He's got
the flexibility to trade up and down and go get
guys that he wants, and there's a lot of players
at positions that he needs. So I think that it's
going to be a really fascinating few days for Buffalo.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
I totally agree real quick, Ryan, Thank you so much. Ryan,
as someone who watches us pretty much every week except
for last week where he said he wasn't available on time.
That's unacceptable. I'm just kidding. Appreciate your thank you for watching.
He also says, welcome John, very nice.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
Kevin.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
We appreciate you.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
You're good.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
You're a good dude. As well as Ron who's here.
I want to give a shout out to Ron. He's
also in the chat.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
Amen.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
They are going to get flagged for delay of pod. Definitely.
The commissioner has already sent me the letter. But yeah,
I agree with you, John, it's a class that is
rich in death, but feels like the top end And
I spoke about this a little bit with James last week.
It feels like the top end isn't as clear cut
when you talk about the death of truly first round talent,
right like you might have in some boards twenty some

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boards in the case of Ryan Eh and James I
believe he said about seventeen, you might have mixed results
on how many true first round grades there are. But
that's not that much different from every draft class.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
Right we have thirty two first round picks, but very
rarely are you going to.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
Find a class that has truly like thirty beyond elite
players in the first round or potential elite players. It's
all about what this prospect looks like going in and
can you mold them? And in the case of the Bills,
who are typically picking in the late twenties, thirty hopefully
thirty two at some fricking point soon, and not just
because of a trade. It's it's this position where you're
really finding talent, but not the top end talent, and

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you have to be savvy in your picks, but also
not force the issue because at least in my opinion,
just trying to get BPA is great until you realize
that maybe it doesn't truly fit in need you have,
and then you're talking about a player stashing on the
shelf that might not get playing time. So there's a
lot of different strategies that Brandon Bean can go when
it comes to what he wants to do at thirty.

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You know, last year we were there, John, you meet
Thomas and Ian and we were all watching as the
board turned red and the chiefs logo appeared and they
traded out of the first round. And I went on
the stream the next day to tell everyone it's okay,
I know it sucks, but that was a good move
because the board had options.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
And we could see a situation like.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
That again, John, I mean, when you talk about what
the needs are at pick thirty for the bills, it's
really if a lot of people will tell you one
of corner dt edge rusher for some people still on
the wide receiver train. How some people are saying safety
and really all of those positions are going to have
an abundance of options at pick thirty. So in my

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eyes at least, it really just boils down and I'll
spin this back to you and you could tell me
if you agree or disagree. Should Brandon Bean just go
with BPA or is Brandon being going to see, you know,
all these options and say I'm trading back again trying
to get a third round pick, and we just go
from there. What do you think honestly happens at pick
thirty right now, John.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
I think it goes back to what you were saying
earlier in two of you have like a clear cut
kind of top sixteen to twenty ish guys that are
you know, first round grades, and then after that, I
mean they've been saying it for a couple months at least,
where it's like from twenty to fifty, there's not a
whole lot of difference in terms of the general grades

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and the consensus around the draft community. So I don't
know what I want to happen. I want Brandon Bean
to say f this and go get his guy, like
that's what I want to happen. Because he has ten picks,
you have a lot of ammo to go and do it.
If he wants to go get a difference maker, which

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he's been talking about since the end of the season,
he's been positioning himself to be able to do it.
If he wants to go get a difference maker, go
get an effing difference maker. Go up high and get someone. Now,
I think there's about a ten percent chance that that happens.
I think that odds are, you know, probably a little
bit higher than not that they stick, because I don't

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think there's going to be a real rush for players
in the late first like there was last year with
the wide receivers that created his ability to trade down.
So I'm not sure there's going to be a partner
that wants to give up that third to move up
picks or whatever it is. So I don't know. I
think the best probability is that he ends up picking

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at thirty and it's best player available between the positions
of need, or even if it's not a direct position
to need, if somebody falls that he thought was going
to go around twenty and they're sitting there, okay, cool,
get the best player that you think can contribute to
this roster in some capacity.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
Totally agree. You know, if he's going to do a
trade up, I think it really just has to be
the right guy. And then you ask yourself, well, what
position would that be? And then is that player marketably
better than what would be available for you at thirty,
because most likely if they're going in the top ten,
top fifteen, they are. But how big is to drop
off from you know, top end to the end of
the round to the second round? And are we comfortable

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giving up capital to move up? And the thing is
they have ten picks. I would be shocked if all
ten of those picks get used this year. Oh so
I know that man is moving up, it's just a
matter of when and if it is in the first round,
who do you think would really be worth it? And
in my eyes, there's only a couple of players that
I could look at on this draft board to say
if they started falling, I would be comfortable with trading up.

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And really, you saw the thumbnail of this video Kenneth Grant,
for example, If you don't feel like he is falling
to the end of the twenties or thirty, that's a
player I'm comfortable trading up for. I know people are
on the fence because they feel he's very, very much
a project, and I agree. But I love the player.
I love what the immediate fit would look like. And
I think you're playing essentially a game of the worst

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we get as a high flour which I can live
in that world. So apart from him, there's guys like
Michael Williams, Mike Green if you want to say that,
Abdul Carter, if they were psychopads, I wanted to trade
into the top three. It's not gonna happen, though, So
getting your guy, I agree with you. I want them
to do it. I just want to know who that
guy would be in their eyes, and whether that's you

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know that player is so much better that they have
to do it. And this receiver class, I mean, I
don't think there's a single guy outside of Travis Hunter
who I'd be comfortable trading high up for. So yeah,
I think picking at thirty is probably the likeliest bet,
But trading back if it's into the mid thirties, because
there's like three defensive tackles or edge rushers or safeties
they all see as being available or corners that to

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me feels like the more realistic one of the two
thirty or trade back. I don't think a trade up
will happen unless it's really someone that Brandon Bean's got
giant hard eyes for. And there you go. But listen,
could always be wrong, and that's what makes the draft
fund and this episode. Friends in the chat, this is
a mock draft. I know you're all here. I know
I would do this every year, and I love doing it.
It's a ton of fun. I love getting yelled at

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by people I've never met. It is the most fun
thing ever. Because I didn't take the player they wanted.
It's a great time. So I've opened myself to or
meant from some people. That is okay, without further ado,
let's prompt the PFF screen boom, and I'm going to
full screen it so you guys could see it easier.
So let's do that. There we go, John, You remember
how I said offline, I clicked out a million times,

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so I think it would work live on air and
I wouldn't have any hiccup. And then I clicked the
wrong button twice. That's awesome. We're having a great start
here on the show, so let me go into this tab.
So what we are doing on tonight's mock draft, John
Nick thirty for the Buffalo Bills all seven rounds. I'm
gonna get fast because once we get to the later rounds,
letting it go at normal speed is just agony. So

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we're not gonna do that. And I am open to trading.
I am open to not trading. I am open to
playing the board. And I will read your comments in
our chat and see what you guys are saying about
who is available on the board. John, are you ready
to roll?

Speaker 1 (09:49):
Yeah? Dude, st it?

Speaker 2 (09:51):
Hell yeah. We enter the chamber and before we begin, John,
just out of curiosity, because I don't know how many
mock drafts you've played with far this season. Is there
any team that you've looked at before the Bills that
you've tried to make a preliminary trade with prior to
pick thirty. Has that happened, because I've seen some people
try to do this, but I haven't yet, and I'm
interested in what you're gonna say.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
The team that I have circled is Atlanta because Atlanta
only has four picks, so to me, I think there's
a scenario there where they look at it and go, dude,
we need a lot We need a lot of players,
We need a lot of dbs, We need a lot
of you know, people on the defensive side of the ball. Really,

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I mean, they could use another wide receiver. It says
that there is in need and sure, but they have
Drake London, they have Jon Robinson. You don't like to
me there, Yeah, to me, they're like a late day
two wide receiver need type of players. So for me,
their lack of draft capital and they kind of get
stuck in these middle areas there where it's like, okay,

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if they don't love a pass rusher that's sitting there,
because that's what's going to be in that range, right,
if they don't love the pass rusher that's there, or
they think that it's worth it to get a haul,
moving to thirty to fifteen is going to be expensive.
But I would do it for a guy like Jalen
Walker or mikel Williams, someone that I think or dude,

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if you really want to go get crazy, I know
that trading up for a safety sounds asinine. But Malachi
Starks is a baller, like he is such a good
football player, so I'm team Malachie Starks, but I don't
think we're moving up for him. It would be a
pass rusher in my opinion, that we make them move
up for. And to me, Mikel Williams and Jalen Walker
are the two names that I have circled as players

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that I would I would like to go get because
in my opinion, they are a clear cut above what's
going to be available late in the first round in
terms of just the raw athleticism and the ability to
get after the quarterback, which is what I want. I
want other people that can get after the quarterback.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
Completely agree with that, and I am interested because when
you find these teams that have only so much capital,
I do think they're more inclined to listen. The Falcons
are interesting because all those needs you described about wanting
a guy to get to the quarterback, that's exactly what
they need.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
Yeah, well you remember really badly. Well you remember last
year we're in the draft room and I was screaming
for an hour after they took Michael Pennix because they
had their choice of defensive players and they needed a
pass rusher then and they didn't do it, and now
they still need a pass Rusher. So it's it's rough,
like they need it in a big way, but are

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you willing to just basically walk out of this draft
to be like, Okay, we got one guy that we
think is going to contribute right away and then free
question marks like is that enough for Atlanta or are
they willing to restock the cupvered a little bit?

Speaker 2 (12:52):
Yeah, And it's funny when we were there and we'll
start this as soon as I made this, but when
we were there in the radio row, when out and
made the pick, it was like the moon landing or
like some sort of other large scale event with a
bunch of computers. Everyone in the room gasped. I'm not
even joking. It was actually silent for like a couple

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of minutes, and there was a group of people. We
didn't get to meet them, but they covered the falcons
in the distance and watching them was hilarious.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
It was just amazing.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
And listen, hindsight, the Michael Pennick signing is signing drafting
is actually like working out for them, in my opinion,
because now that Kirk is likely the backup or gone.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
It actually ended up panning out.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
But in the moment everyone was just completely dumbfounded and
I was too, but listen, I'm glad it's working out
for them. I love Michael Pennix, like I think he's
a baller. I thought he had one of the best
starns in the class last year. I thought he was
getting projected way too well when people were scared of injuries.
I'm glad that man got a chance to start, and
I hope he runs it because he is a ton
of fun to watch and that offense is loaded.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
So without further ado, let's start this.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
And what I'll do, John, is I'll pause around like
if I can time it right teen to try and
see where Atlanta is at or what's been taken. And
if I can't try to, then I'll just let it rip.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
Try to try to pause it like twelve thirteen ish,
like all.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
Right, a little bit before to do my best here, guys,
I apologize if I botched this whatever, all right, I
got through the top ten so far, so let's see
with our first all right. Sorry, Well, Chicago's got a pick,
but we got Ward Sanders to the Browns, Hunter to
the Giants, Carter to the Pats, which would I would hate,
oh so much? Yeah, Campbell of the Jags, Junty to
the Raiders, Baron to the Jets. Baron goes in the

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top ten. Wow, I don't really, I don't know if
that he's going to go top ten. I love him,
but I don't know if he's a top ten player,
especially over Will Johnson. I figured Will Johnson would be
the one that goes earlier Mason.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
I've actually, I've actually seen some scenarios starting to play
out where Will Johnson slides and I'm not sure why.
I think there's maybe some questions around injuries or something
along those lines. But Will Johnson, I mean, dude, he
could have been in the eyes conversation, like he is
such a lockdown stud at Corners. So if that happens

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and he's sliding, I don't know, I might, I might
be tugging on my tugging on my coat a little bit,
to be like a little bit. I want him. He's
very good, and especially because you just locked down Benford.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
Right, So we got the coronation of the extension for him,
which is awesome. By the way, I'm very excited about that.
I feel like I had to mention it at some
point on the show. Now you're kind of like knowing
that you have that four year pad and you're not
scrambling to find a guy who would inherit his role
next year, it makes me a little more comfortable. But
the idea of like Will Johnson or Baron being CD
two across from Benford, that's an awesome proposition, and for

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the right price, I would consider it just like you would.
So he's not in this top ten like Baron going
to seven shocking to me. But Graham to the Panthers
makes a lot of sense. Campbell to the Saints, I
could see. This isn't really an outlandishly bad randomized top
ten so far. But now number ten is going to
be like Matthew Golden, I'm gonna be like, okay, so
let's say what was ten? Tyler Warren tight end for

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the Bears with Cole Comet, I could see that. Pat
McMillan's to the Niners, I could see. But as a
Ricky Piersoll dynasty owner, please don't do that. Membo to
the Cowboys, Yes, that makes sense. They need a line help,
all right, So here's your Dolphins. Let's move on, all right.
So Mike Green goes a pick before Atlanta to the Colts,
which would be crazy. Walker to the Dolphins is a

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great pick for them if they would do it.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
I also, I also think there's a thing about Jalen
Walker where if he's available for Atlanta right now, they're
trying to get their fan base like excited. They're trying
to give their fan base something to root for. You
give them their Georgia Bulldog, and I think that there's
some homegrown love there where they would be very excited

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about making that pick. But yeah, look we're here. Will
Johnson is on the board at fifteen. Yeah, hees, as
is Michael Williams.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
You want to laugh. Roy just pointed this out. You
could slow the speed down speed up the later rounds.
I've actually never known that. I've just let it rip.
But I also when I do these by myself, I
just turn it up to turbo because I don't need
to wait, and I've never really had well, I've done
it on the show in the past, but I've never
modified the speed. So thank you for pointing that out, Roy,
I appreciate you. I'll try to figure that out next
time because we already started. But yeah, I mean, I'm

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interested to see what Atlanta wants here, so right Now
you see they have fifteen forty six one, eighteen two,
eighteen two forty two. We're sitting to you the.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
Comp was it a pump pick there? How'd they get five?
I thought they had.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
Four, I can off the top of my head, but
they got five picks? So what would you add of
these picks that we have? I mean, fifteen is going
to be rich or jumping up fifteen spots? What are
you going to do here with the picks you have?
And I think dipping into your one seventies is where
I would start, just as like a baseline. I'm not
saying that's all we're giving up, because of course they
would never take that in a million years. But let's

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just say you go thirty oh trades lapsided. Of course,
seventies seventy three. They are not budging. John, look at this.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
I figured two. Like I figured it, he would have
to include two. I think if you take some of
those late picks out, it's still gonna.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
So if you did thirty sixty two one seventy three,
that's a fifty six percent chance for PFF. By the way,
completely aware this is not realistic at all, but we're
just having fun on the show tonight, so I know
this is I don't even think they'd consider They probably
laugh in your face if you offered this to them,
But I don't know. Man, At this point, I'm comfortable

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standing pat. I don't think I'm fine straight up with them. Yeah,
I'm finating, but.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
It makes me really sad to see Will Johnson fall
to like the Bengals or something like that. Like that
would not make me happy.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
Let's right, hyat real fast because I'm curious what these
guys are saying. But we got the speed bar is
still there for your information. Thank you, guys. Yeah, I gotta,
I gotta should have known that one going into it.
But that's all good. Hairston Harriston, I think I'm going, uh,
second round. I just see him going second round. I
I like him, I said I liked him, and I'd

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be fine with them drafting him, but I want someone
who has a little bit more what you might call it,
a little bit more man season. He's played a lot
of his own reps. I think he has the build
to be good at it, but I'm worried that it
would be a harder transition. But if he's there in
like round two, we'll run with it. But either way,
all right, let's move on. I'm gonna let this rip.
I'm gonna say once we get a round to pick

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like twenty one, I'll stop it again in the interest
of time too. So let's go what it runs best. Okay,
So let's see who went beyond that. So you had
Matthew Golden went to the pick fifteen. I loves this
is great. Shamar Stewart sixteen like the Bengals. That'd be fine.
Brant went at eighteen to the Seahawks, and that's that's fine.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
That checks That checks out in terms of just John
Schneider's mo O for defensive line, I could see that
pick happening a lot.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
Will Johnson pick nineteen, so he goes to Tampa. That'd
be awesome. Easy Roco to twenty. Josh Sam is a
twenty one. So a lot of players that used to
sit in like the end of the round, like towards thirty.
I've noticed I've started going earlier, Like Grant used to
fall to thirty in a lot of mocks y Donovan
used to go to like thirty, and he used to
be there all the time. He was like a lock
to get in like thirty thirty two range. Sometimes you

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go a little higher, you could see that they're finally
like as you get closer to draft time, how the
board adjust said, it's the most fun at this time
because it feels I don't want to call it realistic.
I can't predict it, but it feels like a lot
of the projections that you had seen people kind of
set for them as what they could be is finally
starting to set in. And this would be an awesome pick.
But you know, you got Jonathan Cooper on that D line.

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DJ Jones just re signed with them. Zach Allen is
a lot of fun, Like this would be a really
cool pick, and people have called him better suited for
a three to four, which I believe is what Denver's
running primarily. So I like that for them. And right now, yeah,
I mean Grant's gone, Johnson's gone. I think I'm comfortable
way in this go to thirty John, what do you think?

Speaker 1 (20:50):
Yeah, the only thing is that my my Oregon boy
is still out there. Yes it is. So that's that's
kind of one of those where not I don't think
this far, but like let's say the Rams at twenty six,
we know they don't need defensive tackle. They just double

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dipped on the defensive line last year. So are you
willing to move up five picks four picks to go
get a Derek Harmon, you know, a very disruptive interior
defensive lineman. That could be an interesting little trade up
scenario where you're not mortgaging the future, You're not giving
up a treasure trove to make that move. Yeah, but yeah,

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I think we just let's just let it play out
and let's see where we're at at thirty.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
Let's just the speed down and what we're gonna do
is we're gonna watch this play out very slowly because
I'm curious if we're thinking, like if we see I'm
worried about Harmon going around this range right here, Like
LA's good. I think they're good on their interior defensive line.
Baltimore could be, but you never know. It's Houston and
it's Detroit, so yep, maybe Green Bay, but I feel

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like Houston's the one I'm watching out for because their
edge rushers are good. But I wouldn't be surprised if
they go for an upfield three T slash one T
and I kind of want to see what happens. So
let's watch, all right, Walter Nolan Buca, some Minnesota's on
the clock. All right, Houston, I'm I'm not gonna do here.

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Well because with your DT's on the board, you still
have Harmon, you still have Alexander, you still have Tiger Williams.

Speaker 1 (22:29):
So it's a good.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
Amount hold on.

Speaker 1 (22:32):
James Pierce hasn't gone, He has not gone. No, you're right,
that's very interesting. Yeah, I think I think right now,
if you're looking at this board, okay, James Pearce is available,
Derek Harmon is still available. M h. I think we

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still have a couple of corners that are out there.
Luther Burden's falling.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
Amos is still there, what do you call it? Rebel
is probably still going to be there and pick or
in round two. In my opinion, obviously you have Harston,
still did Starks. Starks didn't get taken yet. I don't believe. No,
he didn't. Snarks is still there. But I don't know
if I want to trade up for a safety. Personally,
I'm uncomfortable with the death of safety in this class.

(23:21):
Like that's where I stand on it. I really like Starks.
I know Anthony who's going live at nine is a
huge fan of him too. I just feel like where
they are now with their safety room, I don't think
it's complete, but I don't think there's a red alarm
panic button to go to get one, unless it's like
Starks at thirty. That's the only safety I'd want to take.
At thirty. I'm even worry. I'm kind of like whatever
on Like the athletic profile is awesome. I don't think

(23:44):
I want to take him at thirty. I would rather
just like see if he falls in round two because
I think like there's deficiencies in his game that have
been shown that I'm not crazy about. But you can't
deny how freakishly athletic the guy is, which is why
I think his stock would be higher. But I don't
want him at thirty. I feel like Starks is the
only one I would want there, so I don't need
to trade up. I think I'll let it rock. I

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think I want to let these next five rock. I
know I've been playing with it, but I want to
see what thirty looks like, and I want to see
what offers we get. John, I'll give you the final say,
what do you think you cool with that.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
It's it's good with me because at this point I
don't like Derek Harmon's one where I'm like, Okay, that
might be a tier above, like that's that's the one
for me where I might be okay with it. But
I do think that in this range you're starting to
get to that point where Okay, there's not really that
much of a difference between the talent of all these players,
Like that's that's kind of where I sit. So I'm

(24:38):
I'm good letting this go to thirty. There's a chance
that Harmon's there at thirty. I don't know, so I
I think I'm good with it. Although at this point
I do think it would only take like a third
partnered with like maybe a twenty twenty six third and thirty,
So yeah, I wouldn't take that much. But yeah, let's

(24:59):
just let's just let it. Let's get to thirtians.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
And we did have people in the chat pointing out
that Minnesota would be a prime trade candidate, and I
do agree with that, but like the way the board
was falling, Like Walter Nolan, I'm I like him a lot,
but I feel like he's better suited for playing a
full time three role. He if he put on a
little bit more weight, even though he plays really well
at his position, I'd be like, way more keen to

(25:22):
the idea. But I think he's just gonna do better
as a three, and that fit would be fun for
the Chargers. So screw it. I'll let him go there.
Let's let it run, boys and girls. Let's see what
happens here. I was so ready for it to be Harmon.
Immediately Starks is gone and then worry goes all right, Wow,
look at the board. Oh, look at us being patient, John,
I'm proud of us. Look at this, guys. We got

(25:42):
Luther Burden right there, James Pierce, Gray's Abel, Derek Harmon,
Nick Scoreton, Darius Alexander. Am I saying that right? By
the way, I've never heard his name pronounce. I've heard
sports and I've hurt skeleton. Yeah, Demetrius Knight, Connerley Junior
Eoman or t J. Sanders, TYLERK Williams. Wow, I love
this board. I love this so much. I'm willing to
hear what the trade offers are.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
Job.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
No, this is one of those scenarios where if someone
is willing, if someone has a guy They're like, I
want him, I trade back here, There's no problem with that.
Let's see did the did the Browns go quarterback in Sanders? Yes,
they took shadera pick too. I Partonarly. Don't think this
is going to happen, but yeah, they're going to move
up to give him Luther Burton.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
I'm curious. Let's see what are our trade propositions. It's Dallas,
so yeah, no, these drop offs are crazy. So the
the interested teams are forty four, fifty eight and ninety ninety.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
No shot.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
But if you wanted to try and play and see
if you could get a third round pick back, you
do have options. If you want to maybe see if
Cleveland wants to move up, or maybe if you want
to see if the Titans want to move up and
try to get another receiver because they took cam Ward
at one, like top five.

Speaker 1 (26:59):
What about these teas that need offensive line help in
the second round? Do they want that fifth year option
on Josh Connerly?

Speaker 2 (27:06):
Yeah, or even Zabel I mean or even say this
Giants might be one I'd be interested in looking at.
Let's just see real fast what they're working with. So
you got pick thirty four, you have sixty five. They
got a cop from ninety nine, one oh five, one
fifty four two, nineteen two forty six. So if we're
sitting here at thirty we have fifty six to sixty two.
We could, in theory go thirty four for pick thirty

(27:27):
and then try to ask them for six early third.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
They will not do it. What if we sweetened one?

Speaker 2 (27:33):
Yeah, they're standing bad. This is the problem when the
So the only thing I've noticed about PFF two is
when they have the interested marker. If they're not, they
it's really hard to get a deal out of them
unless you offer a ton. So yeah, I think given
the trade back proposition, John, I think I'm cool with
taking one here.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
Who do you like on this board?

Speaker 2 (27:53):
I know, well, I know who you're gonna say right here,
this guy right here who I also love. I love
Derek Harmon and chat this is your time to sh too.
What do you I know?

Speaker 1 (28:02):
I see Piers. A bunch of people are saying Pierce,
and that's what I was just gonna say. I love
Derek Harmon, you know how much I love him. I'm
also a biased I'm an Orgon Ducks fan, and I
cover the Orgon Ducks. So I've seen a bunch of
Derek Carmon. I was starting to pound the table for
him back in like November when a lot of people
weren't you know, didn't have him in the first in
the first two days of NFL mock drafts. James Pierce

(28:24):
going into this last season at Tennessee was supposed to
be in contention for the first overall pick. He has
that level of athleticism and bend off the edge and
at the combine he looked every part of that. I
just I love Derek Harmon, but to me, Pierce is

(28:45):
a huge value here. I mean, this is a big
fall for Pierce, who I think is probably going around fifteen. Like,
I don't think he sniffs thirty. So as much as
I love Derek Harmon, I think super athletic long pass
rusher on a rookie contract to throw opposite Groot is

(29:09):
really really interesting and we need guys that can get
after the quarterback. So I think that pierces Tom.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
I should have known as soon as you said James
Pears he was going to emerge this year.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
Just a ring for it.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
Yeah, he loved James Spears.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
Yeah, I think it's I think it's James Pears for me.
I would love that. I mean, yeah, we we know
how much Brandon Bean loves traits and upside too, and
Pierce has that. So that's that's my pick here. It
would be James Spears.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
I and the and the chat. There's mixed bag. Some
people are saying I believe it was Derek who proposed
that we trade back with Cleveland, which you could do that,
but I'm seeing an overwhelming amount of people go for Peerce.
There was a lot of harm and support too. I
The funny thing to me is Pierce is falling because well,
I don't know why it would be in this case,
but if it's character concerns, Mike Green went at pick

(30:02):
fourteen and Mike Green has equally the same, if not
more damning character concerns. But yeah, I think I'm gonna
do what the board is, what the people want, at
least the majority. I apologize to the Harmon truthers, including myself,
because I do love Derek Harmon, but I like him
and listen, Edge Rusher is still in need. I know

(30:23):
he brought in Joey Bosa on the one year deal.
I know we have demon Solomon brought in Michael Hoyt.
I am telling you, if there is a can't miss
edge rushing prospect or at least what people would consider
can't miss at pick thirty, they're gonna consider it. Like
I'm confident in that statement. They need someone for the
long term, and to me, I'm not comfortable with Solomon
being an every down rusher. I think aj Apanessa on

(30:44):
the expiring contract, I don't know if they bring him back.
Joey Bosa, even if he has a good year, I
don't think they bring him back. Hoyd is a rotational
player who winds up in different roles. If you want
a full time pass rusher and this guy is there
at thirty, I'd completely get them going for him. So
I'm going to take James.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
I just want to add to the profile of James
Pierce here had a rass of like over nine and
a half, which we know that Brandon Bean loves the athleticism,
and then his best game of the year was against
Alabama where he had ten pressures, ten one and a
half sacks, three run stuffs, and over a twenty eight
percent pass rush win rate. So yeah, give me the

(31:24):
give me the seasoned sec pass rusher that's been going
against those offensive linemen for the last three years.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
Yeah, I agree, and again this is PFF. Will this
actually happen? I don't believe so. I mean, even you
can look here. He's the fifteenth ranked on their board
in his average draft positions at twenty four, So him
falling to thirties kind of nuts in general, but hey, yep,
you never know, so I'll take him. James Pierce Junior,
Welcome to the Buffalo Bills. Congratulations on being in Western
New York. All right, now we're during the second round, John,

(31:53):
and I'm at a roll yell. That is good, dude. Listen,
both of these are gross because Luther Burden's awesome. I
think people are sleeping on him a bit too hard
like he was. And you and I talked about this, John,
People thought he was like a first round pick. But
I'm seeing him go into the second now, and I
don't get it. I know he didn't have as good
of a year. I know he's lined up in the
slot mostly, but there's traits about him that make me
think he's going to work really well as a boundary

(32:15):
receiver too, even if he doesn't have the size he separates,
and then Derek Harmon to the Eagles because Howie Roseman's
a psychopath and he'll take all the good DL And I.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
Would freak out if Derek Karmon went the Eagles. I
would just feel like a few how he like, Yeah,
I would lose my mind if that happens. But he
can't keep getting away with this, but he can't burden.
I agree with you on I think people are sleeping
too much. I will say that with him. There are
some reports out there about like work ethic concerns, so

(32:44):
I think that's contributing to his slide a little bit here,
combined with a pretty disappointing year. But he was a
you know, go getter, downfield, weapon, yack, weapon, everything, even
as a true freshman. So I would I would not
be shocked if he goes much earlier than this. But

(33:05):
we've seen it happen before. People slide all the time.
So if he's available mid second, I would I would
believe it.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
Yeah, No, if you'll always get those handful of prospects
that fall further, and you think, like I've seen people
talk about Sanders maybe falling, which I think could happen.
I think people talk about Green falling because of the
character issue quote unquote. You know, there's talked about even
though he's not a first round pick, Isaiah Bond meeting
with the Bills and then these mysterious character issues come out,
and now he might fall into the fourth and some

(33:33):
people have even said fifth.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
I don't know what's going on when it comes to that,
but it would not shock me if players with that
label attach them do end up falling. And in the
case of Peers, I don't know him. If he's there
at thirty and the talent's there and they've done enough
of their of their due diligence to say, hey, we
want the talent and we'll deal with the rest later,
then go for it. I'm okay, he's on the list
of people I'd be perfectly comfortable grabbing here. I do

(33:58):
still think because I've said this interior defensive line is
in need. But sometimes if you have another need and
it's not as pressing, but the players there and you
see a path for them to play, which I would
with Pierce, he would play immediately, but he'd also be
a long term option. It makes perfect sense to me,
like this is a guy even if he got you know,
fifty percent of pass rushing snaps this year, after Bose's gone,

(34:18):
after Apanez's potentially gone, Like, that's a guy that gets
a lot more shy. So I'm cool with this. I've
made my piece with it. We move on to the
second round. We'll run it up a little bit. I
saw some people suggesting maybe we trade up here, so
I'm interested in doing that. I think we could try again,
maybe around the forties potentially, like in the forty. Let's
go with like the top five and forty and just

(34:40):
see where we go. So I'll up the speed a
little bit, and then we'll go there and see what's
going on. Okay, so your second round, look at that,
Cleveland gets their tackle, Giants get their tackle. So you
nailed it with the O line help. And they went
for the first two highly to the Titans, which okay,

(35:01):
I don't really I don't. Yeah, that makes no sense,
but sure I could absolutely see it because I think
the Jags are gonna tie target receiver love.

Speaker 1 (35:10):
I love this.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
Pick for the Raiders. Thomas is awesome. Jack Beck is
such a patriot.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
TJ. Sanders to the Bears is a patriot.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
Sanders is fun and disruptive, and I would like that
for the Bears D line, although I don't know if
they have a pressing need at three tech Darius Alexander.
You guys know, I really like him, so he's there
at pick forty. So John, are you targeting anyone here
as a potential trade up because we have the two
second round picks, but maybe we want to try and
score a DT that might still be available, although I
think the main guys that I'd be cool with moving

(35:43):
up for a gone or maybe Trey Amos, who is
still on the board right now and still an option.
But I'm starting to think you might get a good
option there at fifty six. What do you think?

Speaker 1 (35:53):
I'm not really clamoring. I'm trying to think about who
would be on the board here that I'm princely and
Mammy Ellen. We just took an edge, so just kidding, yeah, smalling.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
Let's see.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
Tylerk Williams, Tilick Williams. I just want to touch on
really quickly because if that is a pick that the
Bills do make, he doesn't have massive upside as a
pass rusher, but in terms of what you're getting from
a very high floor, disruptive, run stuffing defensive tackle that
doesn't get pushed around. That would be why you take him.
So it wouldn't be the splashiest of picks if it's

(36:32):
Tyler Williams, but it's just a solid defensive tackle. It
would be a very underwhelming pick to me because I
think there's so much upside at this area in the draft.
But that would be kind of the reasoning, in my
opinion is you're just like, Hey, this dude could just
be a very good NFL football player for quite a
while and blow stuff up on the interior on run place.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
Yeah. No, I like Tyler Williams a lot as a
run defender. I know I've seen the questions about his
pass rush, which I do have questions about myself, but
I think he's someone that I feel like walks in
and he's impact for the Bills defense, specifically as the
opportunity to muddy things up in the middle of the field,
prevent the explosive runs in the middle of the field,
keep your linebackers clean, and I think that trickle down

(37:18):
effect is a huge impact on the defense, especially when
you consider what the Bills offense is. I made this
point on Twitter like a week and a half ago.
But the Bills are run heavy offense now right, and
they've proven that they want to control games methodically. They
want to control the line of scrimmage. They want to
run the clock and give teams fewer opportunities. But in
order to do that successfully, you have to get teams
at a position where they're not getting explosive plays and

(37:40):
getting down the field efficiently and quickly on you. And
a part of my issue with how they're currently constructed
is that there's a lot of explosives that get given up,
and even though they have decent havoc numbers and they
have good stuff percentage, those explosives are going to happen
at some point to any defense. But I don't want
him as consistent, and I feel like a guy like
Tyler Williams my eyes is a good remedy for that.

(38:02):
And even if he's not in every down player, you
get a run stuffer, you get someone that helps the
identity of your offense because maybe more third and lungs
come from taking him and having him on the field,
and some of your pass rushing interior linemen like Daikwon Jones,
and maybe if you draft somebody else can cater to that.
So I like your points on him. I'm a fan
of the player. I'm not opposed to him at thirty,

(38:22):
but this was just what I didn't want to pass
up on. But I know we're taking a while and
I want to keep moving on here, John. So I
saw someone suggest San Francisco, and I'm interested in seeing
what they would want. So let's move up and let's
see what they're asking for. Okay, they're on the clock
right now. Jackson Dart to the Jets at forty two.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
That's awesome.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
Forty three. They also have seventy five, so they have
a third round or two. I'm thinking, let's see what
we can get here. If we just asked for forty three,
we threw one oh nine in the pot, so we
would still have our other second rounder. You have a
fifty eight percent chance. What do you think, jan Javida
shot uh?

Speaker 1 (38:56):
Is Revel still available?

Speaker 2 (38:58):
He is still available?

Speaker 1 (38:59):
Yes. Chevon Rebel before he got hurt, was like arguably
the best corner in the country. Chevon Rebel was destroying everything.
He is unbelievable. If there's a way to make a
move up like this to get a Chevon Rebel. I

(39:20):
am all for it because, like we were talking about earlier,
Christian Benford is already locked up long term. Put chevon
Revel as your cornerback two like that's it's filthy. His
athleticism is fluidity like everything, his ability to change direction,
his hips, his hands, like he is a stud. I
was so sad when he got hurt early in the season.

(39:41):
I want to say it was like week six or
something like that, because he was having a breakout campaign
and people are still talking about him as like a
fringe first round draft pick, even though he missed half
the year.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
I saw people missed top fifteen, even that was like
the duration before the injury.

Speaker 1 (39:57):
He's a stud and if we could go out and
get him. I like him better than Arazier Thomas. I
like him better than Maxwell Harriston. I like him better
than Geez Baron. I like him better than a lot
of the corners that are going in this in this ballpark.
To me, Shavon Rebel is a is a stud.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
I one hundred percent believe too that he would still
he would have been gone by now if it wasn't
for the injury. And the same thing with Morrison too.
Morrison was a great process. I'd hit injury scare people off.
That's the unfortunate part about some of these corners is
you have to worry about the injury red flag. But
I want to try this trade. I threw in two
h six. It gets it to a sixty nine percent chance. Again,
I don't think they're making all ten picks in this draft,

(40:38):
so I figured tried dipping into the later and the
seventh round to me is just whatever. I know they
found talent there before. I'm okay with moving on. So
fifty six one O nine two six for forty three
John any opposition to the trade? Am I do it
too much? Or are you cool with it? No?

Speaker 1 (40:52):
I think the value is about right. Yeah, all right,
let's do this.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
Let's see all right, here we are pick forty five
three and would you look at that?

Speaker 1 (41:01):
Okay? So real quick?

Speaker 2 (41:03):
Exavier Watts is sick and I do really like, is
we already drafted Edge Rusher? So I'm ruling out landon Jackson.
But there you go. You're three like pretty much you're
bored here. Trey Amos Harriston Rebel. I'm an Amos truther,
and I think he's ready for this scheme. I'm favoring him,
but I know you like Rebel, so chat, this is
your time to shine. Who do you like which corner?

Speaker 1 (41:23):
Tell us?

Speaker 2 (41:24):
Tell us right now, because this is this is your
time to shine. I need you. Also, I do really
like Watts, So if they like Watts too, that's okay.
It doesn't just have to be corner. I want this
to be interactive. Also, real quick, while I'm waiting for
more answers, Brandon Swinson is fun. I was watching his
tape today, John. I don't know if you've got a
chance to watch him. I sent you the screenshot, by
the way of the ridiculous formation that they had against

(41:46):
Who were they playing. It wasn't Bama. It was a
different game, not usc Who was the other one?

Speaker 1 (41:51):
Arkansas?

Speaker 2 (41:51):
They're playing Arkansas, I believe, I'm trying to I'm trying
to remember now, and just had this alignment where they
had like a linebacker and another linebacker and a dB
and like a row and then they had their line set.
It was very fun. LS was doing some weird things
over there, and that's a good time. So I really
really like Swinson. If they didn't go edge in round one,
traded up in the second and got him, he'd be

(42:13):
a slam dunk. I think he fits this scheme.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
Well.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
He's got plenty of ben he does have some speed
to power to can get washed out in the run
game a little bit. I noticed times where they used
his length against him and skewed him off, and I
wasn't crazy about that, But I think that's just kind
of what you deal with when you use your arms
as aggressively as Swinson does.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
But the pass rush juice is there.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
There are times where he wins his run defense rep,
and he wins it big. He's a lot of fun.
He's getting a lot of buzz. I'd be happy with him.
But all right, let's see what people are saying. Now,
I see anybody that matches our scheme. Morrison, what's the ranking?
Nick has here? Morrison, amos revel for me. We have Harriston,
we have another Harriston. We have no injury guys, which

(42:54):
I I really like that. A lot of Harriston love here.
But oh here we go. I stall the amos talk. Amos, amos, amos, amos.
Noah says rebel. All right, so what's the count at?
Because I saw a few Harristons. Now, I think Amos outnumbers,
said John, Sorry, I know you're a rebel guy. I'm

(43:14):
going I do.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
I do like Tree Amos Also, I just man Schevon Revel.
The upside is unreal, Like, I'm good with you making
the pick. Go ahead and take him. Well, I'll keep
talking about rebel. But Revel's six three one ninety one
and he high points like crazy, like to me that
that length, that range for your second corner is crazy,

(43:38):
Like I it's He's just one of those guys that
I just I love him, and no matter where he
goes in the NFL, he's someone that I'm going to
be watching very very closely.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
Oh yeah, I like him a lot. If the knee
injury didn't happen, I'd be more inclined to take him
at that point. But I think I am okay with
not taking him for that reason, at least in that spotify.
Most is there, Amos, And there's no such thing as
a sure thing in the draft, right, But when I
watch him, like he has just good processing and good
instincts as a corner. I like the way he can

(44:09):
jump in time routes. I love the way he uses
his leg to his advantage as a man corner. But again,
he's got the I know there's some concerns about like
his hip shift and everything, but I think he is
fluid enough to work in the Bill scheme and someone
that could potentially just essentially inherit Douglas's role and kind
of run with that. I like him a lot so
that that, to me is a home run. We're on
to our second of the second round picks, and right

(44:30):
away to me, right now, we still need DT. Right
you have Shamar Turner here. Norman Lott is an awesome
pass rushing three at Tech. I don't think I do
it for the Bills.

Speaker 1 (44:40):
CJ. West, same thing.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
Alfred Collins want, big dude, I want Mass bro. If
you guys are, if you're watching from the discord, you
guys have seen me talk about like like team Mass
has been the thing I have been saying, Team Mass Dude.
I'm an Alfred Collins fan. Like again, what I just
told you about Williams. Anyone who could fill the void
of being just a good sound run defender, even if

(45:03):
it's just an early two down guy. Bring this guy in,
Eat up doubles. You got to remember too, A lot
of this defensive line has an opportunity if you find
those guys that can fill the void on the interior
next to Ed to unlock ed, Like if you can
unlock ed and free him from having to face as
many doubles or even just having to be someone that
goes whether he has to wear more hats because the

(45:24):
other run defender isn't doing his job correctly. Like this
is to me who i'd want, because I feel like
Collins is giving you run defense. He's right right away
the one I want.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
What do you say, John, He's the one that's popping
out to me too. But part of the reason, just
using Oregon as an example, because that's one that I
watched so much. Part of the reason that Derek Harmon
had such a breakout season this year was because of
Jamari Caldwell next to him. It's that same thing that
you're talking about. Jamary Caldwell, another mass dude, three hundred

(45:55):
and thirty pound one tech that can just eat up
double teams and absolutely absorbed, but also has the footwork
and also has the ability to generate stuff on his own.
But that's why Derek Harmon popped so much, is because
you need those massive one text. You need those guys
that are sorry, I just got a text with my daughter.

(46:18):
You need those guys that are taking on the double
teams that are blowing stuff up in the run to
free up your three tech And I think that this
defensive line is lacking that in the biggest way right now,
both against the run, for being like pushed off the
ball too much and freeing up and to go out
and just do some work. So mass is something that
I'm very interested in. Can can we have an elevator

(46:42):
speech conversation about are the bills moving on from James Cook? Oh?

Speaker 2 (46:48):
Sure, man, you want to have that conversation because I'm
always gone to that conversation.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
Henderson's available, and that's that's where I'm like, dude, if
we're not gonna pay James And I love James Cook,
you know how much I love him. But if he's
right there, if he's digging his heels in at being
the third highest paid running back in the NFL after
just having just over two hundred carries, is he gonna
have the same number of touchdowns? Is he going to regress?

(47:17):
Is he going to keep that insane efficiency going? And
then is he gonna start holding out and doing weird
stuff and all that stuff. It's like, dude, I love
James Cook, wish you well, but if the writing's not
on the wall and we already know, Like I was
listening to Brandon Bean's talk and he's like, yeah, we
shut it down. We're not close, Like maybe maybe we'll

(47:39):
get something done before he's a free agent, And that
to me is like, oh, that's like a big red flag,
Like they're not even in the same neighborhood in terms
of money. You want to give me a guy that
can do everything that James Cook can do, but has
a little bit more power, that is on a rookie
contract and not demanding to get paid fifteen a year

(48:00):
for four years. Like in terms of the finances of
the team, I'd love James Cook, but if Travion Henderson
is sitting there, it's like, buddy, that is very difficult
to say no to.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
An incredible segue by mister John Robert. Thank you for watching. John.
He's someone who also regularly watches and he says Cook
can't block, and that is exactly the point I was
about to make Henderson. Ken Henderson weighs the hammer down
when he blocks and Henderson is a not a one
for one replacement, but I find him with a lot
of potential to be a three down back and someone

(48:34):
that if he fell at sixty two I would be really.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
Tempted to do that. I can find it there. I
can find a lot of three hundred and thirty pound
dudes later in this draft class. But Travion Henderson is
a better running back coming out of college than James
Cook was. There's no question about that. Now Cook has
developed an insane amount, Like his steps forward have been incredible,
but as a pure runner, as pass blocker, he's got

(49:02):
the same or better hands that James Cook has. Like,
the ceiling for Henderson is higher than what we thought
the ceiling was for Cook coming out of college. What
we've gotten out of Cook, no one would have projected
like he was supposed to just be a third down
pass catching back, not emerge into like a star running
back in the league. But I don't think that James

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Cook wants to pay him, Like, I don't think that.
I'm sorry, I don't think if Brandon Bean wants to
pay James Cook. Yeah, but yeah, five ten, two eight,
he's only twenty two years old.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
I didn't think he was gonna be here. Man. I
thought this was gonna be a lot easier of a
decision because I saw Alfred Collins. I'm like, all right,
need but oh it's like a shiny toy someone that
would be so fun in this freaking offense. Oh no,
all right, I this pains me because yeah, and shout
out to Greg Tom said, because the tweet he has

(49:52):
where it's the next time Brandon Bean pays it running
back will be his first time and it's I truly
don't believe they're giving Cook an extent unless he comes
down significantly from the price he wants. And I think
that James Cook is a good running back, but I
am not. I just think like, if Henderson's there, it
would be so hard yep, Oh my god, I don't

(50:14):
know what John, I have no idea what I want
to do now.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
I don't know what I want to do, Dude, I
want I want Henderson Emotionally, I love James Cook, and
I don't want to make this decision buttically logistically in
terms of what we're talking about, treviaon Henderson with with
Buffalo's offensive line blocking in front of him, including put
in this sixth, the sixth offensive linement out there like,

(50:37):
oh my god, Henderson could go nuts in a power scheme,
and you can split him wide and utilize him in
the passing attack, or you can put him back there
to pass block. You can do anything you want.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
I had to put this comment up because I one
one hundred percent thought that name was JK. Dobbins, and
I was like, really, all right, so we don't need
Henderson at all.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
Dobbins wants to come to Buffalo. Shout out to JK.

Speaker 2 (50:59):
Robbins, who also says no running back in the second,
take one in the fifth. But then you have people
who are trying to play try to be the devil
on my shoulder seven one to six, Matt, you know
you want to. That's so threatening, but it's so true.
Oh god, Collins does help. Now, John, I'm gonna be
I'm gonna be boring. I'm sorry, guys hate me. This

(51:19):
is my this is my decision. I'm taking Alfred Collins.
I'm I'm gonna resist the temptation. It is a deep
running back class. I love Henderson, but to me, I
think I just want to go with Collins. I want
to go with the run Stuffer. I'm sorry. I apologize.
I will take my criticism for that. John, I'm sorry,
I apologize to you. I'm going Alfred Collins a.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
Two PreTect a.

Speaker 2 (51:43):
Man oh man, all right, we're doing it. I'm gonna
be boring. I'm gonna be boring.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
Now here's my I go to Philly. F you come on,
get out.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
Let me just see real fast. I want to see
if maybe we can get back up into the third.
If that's still possible. Let's just stop it right here
with Jacksonville. Let's just see. I'm curious with.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
The coh oh oh oh Jalen Royals to the Chargers.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
That'd be fun.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
Oh that's dirty.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
Yeah like see uh yeah. Okay, now if Scatamo somehow fell,
that would be nuts. And everyone is saying it's the
right move. Okay, I appreciate you guys. Listen, you gotta understand.
Skill position players in a mock draft are like candy
to me, like kit cats to me, like I can't
stop eating kit cats if they're in front of me.

(52:32):
When it comes to like receivers or running backs. Even
though I know damn well what the needs are for
this team, I see them on the list and my
brain just like fires off all the dopamine it can
and I'm like.

Speaker 1 (52:41):
Ooh, I gotta have that.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
So I appreciate everyone saying go for the DT, and
I'm sorry to again everyone who wanted Henderson. But John,
is there any position, like any any draft position you're
seeing here that you think is worth trying to take
the flyer on the trade out for? Are you comfortable
staying at one thirty two and just letting the board.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
Fall man another fifty picks? Almost?

Speaker 2 (53:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (53:01):
Boy, that is a really nice look in first three
picks for us though, cool boy, Gander, I like this.
That's pretty It would have been prettier with HNDO. But
that's okay. I see. Here's here's where I'm starting to
just the Brandon Bean line of thinking. Here he still

(53:22):
has a ton of picks. One sixty nine, one seventy one,
seventy three, one seventy seven. His last four picks are
in an eight pick window. In terms of tears, there's
just better talent here then there's gonna be, you know,
that much later on into the draft. If he can
get up fifty picks. He doesn't need this many draft picks, Like,

(53:42):
you're not You're not gonna need all those picks one
sixty nine, one seventy one, seventy three, one seventy seven,
two out of four of them, three out of four
of them might not even make the roster, you know
what I mean, Like, there's no use holding that many
deep picks. I would I'd be trying to move up.
I I know I'm aggressive, but I also I'm also

(54:03):
trying to think like Brandon bean this year. This is
a year where I think he needs to be aggressive.
I think you've taken care of a lot of contracts
this offseason. He did great work on all those extensions.
They're beautiful, great values. I love it. I think all
of them came in under what I was just expecting
them to. You have your offensive line locked and loaded.

(54:26):
All of them are returning. Your coordinators are taking a
big step up in their second full season as coordinators.
You have MVP Josh, like, dude, now's the time, like,
go get some guys that can can wait. Who the what?

Speaker 2 (54:41):
Why Why are the Bears taking five three tacks?

Speaker 1 (54:44):
You see what I'm seeing?

Speaker 2 (54:45):
Why they take Broughton after they took Sanders And that's dumb. Okay,
I love you pff, thank you, Norman. Lot to the
Chiefs would be disgusting. I hate that that, Like that
would be everyone be like, oh, but ye have Barkley,
like I promise you they do this. I would be terrified, Philly.
I don't know how likely that is. Also quick shout

(55:07):
out to Jordan Birch, who I watch today. I'm also
a big fan of your an Oregon guy. He's a
lot of fun. I think he needs more in his
bag though. That was my critique of him is he's
a power rusher and that's awesome, but I find him
to be limited and I wonder what a ceiling looks
like if he doesn't enhance the arsenal of moves he
has besides just kind of body rushing, which he can
do with this frame. Yeah, but maybe getting a little

(55:29):
weller and be more consistent with that.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
I think what's really interesting about Jordan Birch is the
amount of physical growth that he's gone through in the
last like two to three years. Like the dude put
on like over thirty pounds of muscle while keeping his explosiveness.
I don't think that he knows like how good he
is yet, Like he's so raw, but he is an

(55:51):
absolute freak. You've seen the play where he got the
ball on a fake punt, right, Yes, I have. I've
seen that couch Okay, Like I've never seen a coach say, hey,
I'm going to put my edge rusher in as the
blocker on a punt formation and snap the ball to
him and let him rumble. And he picked up like
thirty to forty yards and he looked like a running

(56:12):
back in the open field. Like it was ridiculous. So
he's he is raw, he is very athletic, very explosive.
Needs more moves in his bag. So I agree with
his draft stock like where it is. And you know,
I thought for a while there this season that he
could be sniffing the first round, but he's just not
developed enough. So I think going at this point of

(56:33):
the draft makes total sense for Birch.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
Yeah, no, I agree. I think there's a lot of
work to be done. But again, if you're talking rotational
edge rusher, there's a lot of potential for him and
I like him. By the way, that's a good segue
for Disguy's coverage because ant is going to be talking
about edge rush prospects or check that out.

Speaker 1 (56:47):
Let's let this run.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
I'm just curious because we couldn't really do anything there
think Seattle is going to be willing to do anything
with Like what would you even offer at this point
because we don't have the third I would have to
dip into next year's class, So like we could do that,
but do you want to with the three seven round picks?
I forgot about that? Like we could try to do
something where you give up like one of this bunch here,

(57:09):
you give up one thirty two and maybe see if
they take the cheese. But like they're not mudging either.
I don't know, man, it's gonna be tough with the
just since you have that's just literal.

Speaker 1 (57:19):
Let's just seeah, screw it, see where we get.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
Yeah real fast. Also hate hate that. I love David
Walker and I hate that he's a little orger sized,
but him in Kansas City, it won't matter. But all right,
let's let this one cook John, Let's see where it goes.
One thirty two. Isaiah Bond just went to the Lions.
Deon Walker went to the Giants. That's cool, Fan and

(57:43):
Junior to the Raiders. Kobe, Yeah, the Colts. Okay, we
got our big boy, we got our big boys.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
See, we did the.

Speaker 2 (57:53):
Sensible thing, John, and we don't have to worry about it. Oh,
will Howard, let's go.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
No, I'm just kidding.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
So uh yes, this kind of sucks. Although I do
like Billy Bowman Jr. Yeah. This is notoser, not a Prizzy,
not a pretty board at all. Damn man, don't sleep
on Kyle Williams trying to take Baron sorel As.

Speaker 1 (58:17):
Oh what's up?

Speaker 2 (58:17):
Man?

Speaker 1 (58:18):
Welcome.

Speaker 2 (58:18):
I appreciate you, Jeric. Let's see get why I was here.
Isaiah Bond he is gone. Dante Thornton I think might
have been, might have still be on the board, but
we can find out.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
But I.

Speaker 2 (58:32):
Yeah, dude, I'm not feeling this. I do like Rishard Smith,
but at this point, you know, the only other Bryan
I thought that was Kyle Williams for a second excited.

Speaker 1 (58:48):
So a couple of months ago, when all of this
stuff about James Cook started up, I was like, hey, Brandon,
guess what. There's also another pass catching running back out
of Georgie whose older brother played in the NFL, who's
available in this draft class. And he's down there. I
just thought, trevortm oh wait, he is still here. Sorry,

(59:08):
I thought. I don't know why.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
I thought, Oh, Kyle Willie Washington State, dude, I might
do it.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
I might reach.

Speaker 2 (59:15):
He's good, and I don't think this is going to
happen in the actual draft. John, I'm not joking. I
think this guy is going to go second or third round.
At this point his stock rose. He is a lot
of fun and I think he would be a nice
fit in this offense. I know it's kind of like
it's not just for the name, but he's a separator.
And I know we just got Palmer, but adding him
into the room and having two vertical separators. I like

(59:35):
the idea of Kyle Williams a lot. It might be
a bit of a reach at this point. I don't know.
I think his his stock is higher. I might go
Kyle Williams.

Speaker 1 (59:43):
I think that's probably pretty accurate. Let me, I'm gonna
check something really fast and just see. Let's see where
are we one thirty two? Okay, yeah, I'm checking a disease.
Internal Like, we have a mock draft database that aggregates
and does rankings and all that stuff. So our internal
has his median draft pick in our internal mock drafts

(01:00:07):
as being just out, you know, outside the top one hundred.
He's ranked as our like one hundred and forty second player.
So it's pretty cool up to where we are right now.

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
FF's going to give this an F minus.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
I don't care. I don't care. I don't draft.

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
Kyle Williams. Welcome back to Buffalo. You know they say
it's reincarnation, is the thing. I'd like to think that too.
Kyle Williams turned into a receiver from Washington State.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
I don't know why.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
I always think he plays for for Illinois. I don't
know why. I don't know if I'm getting him crossed
up with someone else, but I always think that and
then I realize it's Washington State.

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
But I'm happy with that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
Oh, Kyle McCord, Quinn yours, Wow, I don't want either
of you on the McCord. I'm surprised Thomas didn't come
back into the chat to tell us to take Kyle McCord.
Unless I missed it. People are fans of the Kyle
Williams pick, though, so I appreciate that check. I feel like,
how far this has been a pretty decent like chat

(01:01:03):
bass draft, like, I haven't gotten Lambastad too. Much like
Pierce Junior, Amos Collins Williams. That's a that four would
be dope. I'd be cool with that. And dude, we
have so many picks over the next few real fast.
I want to give a quick shout out to whereas Hey,
Marcus Yarns, I actually liked I like him a lot.
I feel like he reminds me a lot of Tie Like.

(01:01:25):
I feel like a Tie Johnson successor in the future.
I know they were giving him reps at wide receiver.
I think it was a senior bowl with a shrine bowl.
I like him, but I won't do it right now.
But like we got in abundance, John, I mean Upton
Stout is a lot of fun. But I don't know
if he really has I if I have him right,
because he's yeah him bowman like these undersized safeties. I

(01:01:45):
mean he plays above five nine, So I'm not limiting
like to a point where I wouldn't take him. But
that I mean, would you would you?

Speaker 1 (01:01:53):
Would you do it?

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
Would you go up in Stout and just try to
add some death to the safety room a little bit
of a smaller profile.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
I mean I probably would. I think there needs to
be another body in that room, and at that point
it's just kind of developmental to kind of see what
he can do, right, Like get him in to the
building and see like does he have the strength to hang?
Like can he can he go up and contest with
wide receivers that are literally six inches taller than them,
you know, Like, that's that's tough. Strolled down a little bit.

(01:02:23):
There were a couple of the names that I saw, Okay,
Kyle Manong Guy is a he's not your home run
like threat, pass catching you know, dude, like Marcus Yearns
like Yarns is a third down back, Like he's a
pass catching back that has home run speed. That's what
he is. Manong Guy runs through the defender is the

(01:02:45):
absolute epitome of what he does. He is a truck.
And I don't know, I'm I'm trying to think about
this room. If James Cook isn't in it now, there
would be a whole other offseason to add someone to it.
And I get that, but I'm like, what what profiles
do you want in the room if James Cook isn't there.

(01:03:05):
I think Ray Davis showed that he has better hands
than people thought that he did. He can be physical
and can be a little bit of a hammer. But
I think that a burner running back like Yarns somewhere
in this stretch of picks would kind of make sense.
I don't think the Menong guy kind of fits, you
know what I mean with what we're building the room around.

(01:03:25):
But I love him, like he's so fun Yeah, it's
funny because it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
Must be a prerequisite for Rutgers backs to just run
like they want to hurt. You, like to have like
some force in the running style like the Checko did,
and like that's just this. It's fun to see that
you have another guy there that can replicate that skill set.
I think with Ray Davis there, like if I'm talking
what profile of runner, I'd want probably someone that like again,

(01:03:51):
I want the balanced runner, because I think Davis doesn't
have the crazy speed, but he has a lot of
power and will stay upright when he takes contact. Ty
Johnson kind of like a more or like speeds their
role And obviously you're past catching back. Who would you
find that has like that blend of power and speed,
which was probably Henderson, but he's.

Speaker 1 (01:04:09):
Gone now and we'll move on from that. So I
think right now I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
Cool with going with stout for the death at the
safety role. I think I can just now that we're
keeping cook, I think I'm cool with not going for
one unless they fall to us at like our final pick,
because just to take somebody and have like someone for
the room. Is Simon or Kobe King?

Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
Is Damien Martinez still available?

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
Let's find out? There used to be a to go by.
But I'm right here, dude. I don't know why when
I go live, I just forget everything. I know Brooks
Brooks is still there. Jordan James is there. Who I
also like Alie Gordon quin Allen, who is pretty good.
There's a dude, there's like a handful of solid backs
here at all. I don't think I need to. I

(01:05:00):
don't think I need to go that route right now.
I think I can wait.

Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
Last like last year, those were Day two running.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
Backs, real fast, Jason Marshall Junior and my boy, my
boy Jabar. Yeah, Lsu guys seem to be gone. I
know Jeric was calling out as off Frasier. I don't
think he's there anymore. There's yeah, man. It's kind of
a bundance.

Speaker 1 (01:05:23):
Of picture and interior sense of line let's.

Speaker 2 (01:05:27):
Take a look at the safeties Stout Achille Arnold, Dean Clark,
Elijah Clark, R J. Mickens who I believe. Yeah, James
shouted him out last week and really liked him, and
I didn't get a chance to watch him more extensively.
But he's on my radar now.

Speaker 1 (01:05:42):
Yeah, I like him. I think we can wait. Yeah,
I think.

Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
I think I'm still leaning up in Stout here. I
think even though the size profile isn't great, if you
play above your size, the Bills will give you opportunity.

Speaker 1 (01:05:55):
I mean, they've said it themselves.

Speaker 2 (01:05:56):
That was something Babbage talked about with Dorian Williams and
thinking of Out, like what the role could be if
you rotated him in. You just got this guy playing
as like a box safety to start and maybe trek
back into the deeper half eventually.

Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
I'm okay with it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
Like again, there's there's safeties with a shorter profile that
have been able to be successful. You could think of
Peppers as one example, Like, I'm okay with it. I'd
be willing to play with or to draft a guy
who plays with just sheer, heat seeking mentality, a lot
of physicality in his play. Do you have to worry
about him when it comes to larger bodies blocking obviously,
but I think i'd worry about that for any safety

(01:06:29):
except for some of the freaks. So John, if you're
cool with it, I think I'm going stout here. What
do you think?

Speaker 1 (01:06:34):
Yeah, he definitely plays bigger than his size, and I
think that he has positional flexibility too. I think this
is a guy that can line up as a nickel
corner if you need him to.

Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
I know that down at the Senior Bowl he did
a lot of one on one reps and he was
hanging with wide receivers really well, his quick feet, which
I like a lot. I also heard some from people
that were down there that he was taking like a
lot more reps than most of the defensive back. I
don't know if he was asking for it or people
wanted to see him or what it was, but he

(01:07:04):
was involved in a lot of reps on defense and
he performed really well. So Yeah, I like up since Out.
He's a good, good depth guy. I'm for it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
Let's do it uped In Stout, Welcome to the Buffalo
Bills And oh my god, Pick one seventy is us again?
I know they met with Thomas Fadone. I know they've
had a meeting with him. I think tight end is
someone they're going to take death to the room just
because of Quentin Morris probably leaving. I know, Winebacker, I'd
be okay with adding death two too. And I saw
some people call out Cody Simon. Winebacker's one that I

(01:07:34):
have not that much knowledge on outside for the top
of prospects, so I'm willing to take one. I need
to learn more about Cody Simon now.

Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
Cody Simon is a really interesting linebacker. He had he
was captain of their defense. Hunterd plus tackles, really smart dude,
great and run stuffing. You know, he's not like a
pass rushing linebacker, but in terms of just like the

(01:08:04):
maturity the leadership of like lining up a defense in
the communication style and being where he needs to be
and being able to fly down hill against the run,
he's that. I think that he's a very high upside
Day three linebacker, which I would have no problem with
with us taking at all. I mean, being being the leader,

(01:08:25):
being the leader and the captain of the Ohio State defense.
That's like that that matters, you know what I mean?
I agree with that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
Yeah, again, you linebacker is a position that, again, when
I do any sort of draft work, I'm looking at
it for what I think the most immediate needs are
for the Bills. So I've been doing a lot of
D line work. I've been doing a lot of corner work,
like that's really where it's stemmed from for me, with
bits and pieces of receivers, running backs, and other positions
of players I just like like higher end linebackers, higher
end safety. So Cody Simon is one that has not

(01:08:55):
been on my radar, but.

Speaker 1 (01:08:57):
I think let's do it. Go go watch him. Yeah,
after this, now I think you'll like him.

Speaker 2 (01:09:04):
And now this is someone you wanted to talk about John, Yes,
and I want to talk about him, and I put him.
I filtered it out, So let's refilter. Go to d
L and from Nebraska Ty Robinson. Again, it's one seventy three,
one seventy seven. We'd be reaching either way at this point.
I don't think it matters. Talk to me about Ty
Robinson and what you like about him.

Speaker 1 (01:09:26):
Yeah, so Ty Robinson, listen, If Brandon Bean's gonna pick
a defensivelignment on Day three, he'd better be athletic right,
Ty Robinson's RASS was a nine point eight nine. He's
light for his height, which means that he's you know,
knocked down a little bit there. He's in like the
two ninety range, but he's six'. Five he's got kind

(01:09:50):
of a weird build a little bit because he's six,'
five but his arm length is only thirty two in.
A quarter, but, yeah dude nine point eight, nine rass,
super athletic powerful interior. Defense alignment like this is a
dude that just looks like a bowl in a china
shop every time that he's on the, Defensive line like

(01:10:12):
he's just, A record like this is a rotational defensive
tackle that you can put out there that is just
going to like blow, Shit up like that's just kind
of what he does pass rush. One way it was
solid for a. DEFENSIVE tackle i saw it there at.
Like ten that's that's above average in terms of college football.
Defensive tackles there's is typically around like eight point TWO

(01:10:35):
if i, REMEMBER right i think that's the average in.
The country but he has that, athleticism too where like
if someone, breaks contain he has the motor to go and.
Get them so he's not just the defensive tackle where
you make one move on him and you don't have
to worry about. Him anymore he has like, relentless pursuit
sticks with it and will hunt dudes down if they

(01:10:56):
break out of, the pocket whether it's a quarterback or
chasing on a running back. Or whatever so and pursuing.

Speaker 2 (01:11:01):
Matters so much In the bills defense.

Speaker 1 (01:11:03):
Really don't and he has that speed and mobility and
change the direction ability at his size to be able,
to pursue and. That MATTERS so i think as a
day three defensive tackle that you're probably gonna want to
play more as a like three or. Five. Tech Oh, zeke,
BIGGERS dude I Love zeke, biggers.

Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
Also like not, even joking but the, name alone That's
a that's an awesome name FOR. A dt i. LOVE
it i think my stance right now with pick one
seventy three is they're going to be there at one.
Seventy seven we like both of them are just based
on THE sim i feel like you're more likely to
see these top three Go and i'm okay. With that

(01:11:43):
so at, this, point man IT'S like I think i'll
go just Cause Again i'm i'm. A believer you can
never stack the cupboards enough with OL but i feel
like For, the bills we have pretty much every offensive.
Lineman returning if, you, SAY hey i might want to
look at a world beyond, You Know, david edwards and,
say like if It's not anderson and we want To

(01:12:04):
keep anderson confined to THAT, six, o well maybe try
to inherit a future guy and maybe you go for the.
Guard HERE but i Feel like fiddon they've met with
they want to just put someone at the death and.
TIGHT end i said they. PROBABLY would I think i
want To go, fiddon here.

Speaker 1 (01:12:18):
And then with one.

Speaker 2 (01:12:19):
Seventy seven just, For, You john I'm. Taking robinson how
do you?

Speaker 1 (01:12:21):
Like that is? That? Cool, Yeah yeah i'm good. With
it good blocking, tight end that's kind of under the
radar athletically a. Little. BIT yeah i think that's a
fine depth.

Speaker 2 (01:12:33):
Pick here, All right so Let's take MADONA and I
saw Jeric say felton's on. The, Board yes but at
this Point With, KYLE williams i. DON'T think, I mean,
I guess i guess you still could go for. THE
speedster I guess i don't KNOW if. I would at,
THIS point I think i want to just get one
more interior. Defensive lineman, and listen you told me you

(01:12:54):
wanted to Talk About, ty robinson and if, He's there i'm.

Speaker 1 (01:12:58):
For, IT yeah i. Literally Do i'm joe before, we
Started and, i'm like this is the one Name that
i'm giving YOU that i want to talk about at.
SOME point i think it's funny that we went back To.
BACK nebraska i also think it's hilarious that everyone that
we drafted wears a red or, orange jersey so that's.
Pretty funny this is a red hot, mock draft if,

(01:13:18):
You will dad joke of. The day had to. Do
it it had to. Be DONE but i. LOVE this
i think this is a solid and very. INTERESTING mock
i don't Think that i've seen one look quite. Like
this but this. Was weird it, Is weird this. Is
funky this is one.

Speaker 2 (01:13:37):
Of those MOCKS that i feel LIKE if i posted,
this publicly people would say either how?

Speaker 1 (01:13:42):
Or why because how for who fell?

Speaker 2 (01:13:45):
To us and then why because of some of the
later round decisions Like, taking robinson who GOT an f grade, seventy,
seven which, IF listen i, feel LIKE sometimes.

Speaker 1 (01:13:58):
I have to pick one? Seventy seven how does that.

Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
Listen it because they. Hate vibes they hate. Good vibes
that's what. They hate but let's take. A. LOOK everybody
a plus For The james bears junior pick because he
somehow fell when he was GRADED fifteen a For the.
AMOS pick PFF says c Minus To. Alfred collins you
guys should Have Taken. Traveon Henderson kyle williams GETS a
d because we reached in. Their EYES but I Think
kyle williams is. Really good, and honestly when you get a,

(01:14:22):
lower grade that makes me feel. Like validated it makes
me feel like you. Know, what no, You're wrong. I'm
right upton stout GAME, Of B CODY simon, B Plus
THOMAS madon B Minus ty robinson A big f to
leave us with an overall draft GRADE. Of b but
to everybody in, the chat you let us know what
your letter grade is for our mock DRAFT because i

(01:14:42):
will be posting it LATER and i will be happy
to be either met with braise. Or Criticized, BUT john
i had a lot of fun. WITH this i thought
that this was a good. Little Exercise the bills are
in an. Interesting spot we said they might be able to.
TRADE back i do think there's a very high Likelihood
That brandon bean's gonna pull off ready to get back
up into the. Third round JUST where i, was looking

(01:15:03):
it didn't seem like anyone was willing to budge in.
The simulator but simulators are furthest things. From reality we
can only be so accurate when we were trying to predict.
Complete entropy but as far, As, OURS john i. LIKE
it i think we've addressed every position of need to.
SOME degree i think we got a long term. Edge
rusher you got a corner to start Opposite, of benford
who fits the scheme, really well can play that hybrid.

(01:15:25):
Manner zone you got, to run stuffing, d tackle and
even though he doesn't have the best pass, rush pop
there's potential that could always develop just having a big
body to mark up. The Works kyle williams would be
a lot, of fun not just for, the name but
because of the separation ability up, in stout, smaller profile
but hits really hard and plays above. His Frame cody simon,
team captain just, absolute dog fidone blocking tight End And

(01:15:47):
ty robinson the best defensive lineman On. Planet earth john
obvious final thoughts on. This draft what do?

Speaker 1 (01:15:54):
YOU think i really. LIKE it i think this was a.
FUN exercise i completely agree with you be Shocked If
brandon bean doesn't somehow get into the. Third ROUND like
i just think that that's kind of. A lock i don't,
know WHY but i just think it's. Gonna HAPPEN and
i think watching the player difference from sixty two to one,

(01:16:16):
thirty two watching the, players available, and yes We Like
kyle williams, a lot and, brightly SO but i think
around eighty two one hundred there's a bit of, a
SHELF and i think you start to go down some
tiers there in terms of the talent of the players that.
Are AVAILABLE so i do think that he's going to
try and maneuver some of those late picks to get

(01:16:38):
up into round three. For sure but all, in, ALL
yeah i. Love This If james pierce falls, to thirty
just he has the potential upside of a game wrecking
edge like he has that in his range of outcomes,
Very eastently so it would be A very billsy pick

(01:17:00):
to pick such an athletic edge rusher with a high
ceiling at. Pick thirty we talked about it last year
when they took Key. On coleman we, Were, like okay
are they going to go for a polished dude here
or are they gonna? Go traits like we were having
that conversation back and forth They went coleman, Were, like
okay they're. Going, traits yeah they're taking. The Traits and
pierce is kind of a blend of. The two he
has insane traits but also great production IN. The SEC

(01:17:24):
so i think he'd be An easy brandon being draft
pick as long as he checks out personality was long as.

Speaker 2 (01:17:28):
They're like the unequivocally funniest outcome would be them To
Somehow james pierce falls to thirty and, you're like, holy
crap and then they take him and then he gets
a six game suspension for, some reason and then you're,
just like. All right so the narrative of the offseason
is none of our d lineman will play Except For,
joey bosa the exact opposite of what we wanted to

(01:17:49):
do in the. First place, But, no john this was
a ton. OF fun i really liked the way this
board fell for us until like the middle rounds got a.
Little murky but this was a. Good, exercise again it's
only a mock draft is only as accurate as it
can be because entropy is impossible, to predict and we
don't know what is going to Happen with draft night
itself and all the different trades and moves you. WILL
see i Do think brandon bed does end up with a.

(01:18:11):
THIRD rounder i don't, know how whether it's trading back
or moving up in the later rounds to get back.
In there we will have.

Speaker 1 (01:18:16):
TO see i.

Speaker 2 (01:18:17):
Appreciate every single one of you for joining us tonight
and checking out, the show checking out, the discussion checking out.
Our CONVERSATION as I took john off. The, screen, oops
wow you see? What, happens sean what are? You doing
i'm just cycling through all the un cycling through all.
The frames they're. So pretty but you guys. Were great
this was A ton i appreciate. The feedback i'll be posting.
It later you can let us know what you're Thinking

(01:18:37):
on twitter if. You're interested if you haven't gotten a
chance to check out this, episode live but you're checking
out after, THE fact i.

Speaker 1 (01:18:43):
Hope you enjoyed.

Speaker 2 (01:18:43):
Following along if you've got mock drafts of, your own
feel free to. Send them i'm always open to talking,
about prospects seeing what you. GOTTA say i appreciate some
of the friends from, the discord some of the Friends
from TWITTER who i got to see. In here, You,
KNOW jeric i appreciate you watching. The show it's always
a ton of fun talking about draft stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:18:59):
With.

Speaker 2 (01:18:59):
YOU john i appreciate, You man you're. ALWAYS here i
love having you on. The show you're one of my.
Favorite guests tell the world what's going on in, your
world what are, you doing? What's new what can they expect?

Speaker 1 (01:19:09):
From, you YEAH eight z Sports. DOT com i Cover
The buffalo bills And The. Oregon ducks as you heard
a couple times throughout, the show it's full on. Draft
season i'm a part of a group in our company
that's putting together a lot of collaborative mock drafts and
draft content. As well that's Not just. Bills specific so
go over to A. To z we're we're not. Using

(01:19:30):
simulators we're hand picking every single player in, these mocks
and there's a ton of them going out that are,
team specific that are four round, mock drafts that are
one round, mock drafts that are. Full sevens just all.
That stuff so head over to eighty z Sports, dot
com lots of content About, the bills lots of content about,
the draft, and, yeah man three and a half weeks.

(01:19:50):
To go. Can't wait i'm ready for.

Speaker 2 (01:19:52):
The, chaos yep home, STRETCH man i. Cannot wait it
is one of my favorite times of. THE year i love.
THIS season i love watching prospects learning. About THEM as
i continue to get deeper into, The work i'm really
excited to learn more about the rest of. The class
i've done gotten a decent chunk of the positions Of
need i've been, looking At but i'm really excited to.
See more i'm excited to see what you keep. Putting,
out john your work. Is excellent and if you are

(01:20:14):
in the chat and have not gotten the opportunity To
follow john and check out what he has, going on please.
Do that he's a friend, of mine but he's also
someone whose work speaks for itself and well worth. Your time.

Speaker 1 (01:20:24):
For me my Name Is.

Speaker 2 (01:20:25):
Joe derosie can find Me, on twitter slash x That
show Underscore. De rosa if you have, an opportunity check
out the description of this video for one past sign
up link where you could become.

Speaker 1 (01:20:33):
A member for sixty dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:20:35):
A year you could end up in our premium discord
and have the opportunity to engage with some Really cool,
bills fans as well as See my papa shot Score
that i've been actively POSTING because i am. Setting records
i am so damn good, at It and i'm so
excited to continue to. Set records not that anyone else cares,
but me but a ton Of, Fun, tonight john these
episodes are the. BEST again i love. THIS time i

(01:20:55):
can't wait to see, the DRAFT but i am going to.
Sign off you can stay on YouTube because at nine
pm you could Find Mister anthony prohasker going live to
give you more, draft discourse as insightful as anyone in.
Our network you will learn so much, from him so check.

Speaker 1 (01:21:08):
Him out but, for us.

Speaker 2 (01:21:10):
We say, good night we Say, go bills we say
mock drafts, are fake and, as ALWAYS well i already Said,
go Bills so i'll say, It Again. Go bills we
will see. You. Soon people thanks for. Tuning in

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