Buffalo Bills Training Camp: Major Storylines and Team Outlook | UR - Under Review

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Previous play, We'll go under Review.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Hello everybody, thank you so much for tuning into this
week's episode of Under Review. My name is Jode DeRosa,
and I'm really happy to be back here because it's
been about a couple of weeks since you've last seen
my face on Cover Ones YouTube channel. I have had
a very busy, tumultuous summer, so these episodes have been
a little trickier to record. But we are back, and
so too is Buffalo Bill's football people.

Speaker 3 (00:58):
Training camp has begun.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
The excitement of a new season is very much upon us,
and I am extremely excited to be talking about relevant
Bills news again. And on tonight's episode, we are going
to be getting into our biggest training camp storylines ahead
of the regular season.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
What are we watching out for?

Speaker 2 (01:17):
What are we keeping tabs on as something we feel
is truly significant and impactful for the state of the
Buffalo Bills this upcoming year. Things that we could see
that we might not have seen before, development of specific players,
all the more to make this team better. We're keeping
our eyes on it. And of course, when I say we,
I never mean me. I have asked this person relentlessly

(01:38):
to come back on this show. The stars have it
aligned due to scheduling, it happens, but I am very
happy to have him here tonight, the one and only
mister Anthony Prohaska, Anthony Cover One's very own training camp
representative here in the virtual flesh, because you're not actually here,
but that's neither here or there. I got to stop

(01:58):
with these unintentional puns. Welcome back to the show. It's
good to have you. How are you doing tonight, my friend.

Speaker 4 (02:03):
I'm good. Thank you for having me.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
It's been a good time at camp. We're recording the
night of day two. It was super hot today. That
was a big takeaway for me. It was really hot.
But obviously we have so much else to get into
theirs and especially doing like this kind of conversation like
stuff going into camp. But then even like the couple

(02:26):
things that have happened the first couple of days have
kind of changed my thoughts on things and made me like, ooh,
now I'm kind of like I'm wondering about this, or like,
oh are they solving for this thing with this thing
over here? And now it's just it's just fun to
have football back and be another day closer to actual
real football in some form or fashion in the preseason
and then the regular season.

Speaker 4 (02:46):
And it's good to be here. Thank you for having me.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
I'm always happy to have you.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
And I got to say, you know, having produced for
you guys now for like a couple of months doing
yesterday's show, watching you guys both talk about football being back,
it looked like you were both about to like tear
up a little bit just because of sheer joy in
your face is to have relevant news, and I feel
the exact same way.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
Man.

Speaker 3 (03:07):
It is truly exciting. It's exciting too.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
It's hard to find stuff during the off season to
talk about it. It's so like you and I talked
about in the DMS A bunch. It's like, dude, it's
such a slog to figure out things to talk about
because there's really like two things and everybody's talking about it.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
Yeah, and my show has a curse, Anthony. I've said
this on past episodes. It had a curse where when
I go live, something cool or something that changes the
entire structure of the episode would happened mere moments later.
And a good example of this, there's two right after
I did an episode about Michael Hoyt and Larry Ogan,
Joby Editions and free Agency. You went live and that's

(03:41):
when the Joey Bosa news broke out. So I just
missed out on that. And you know that's that is
not your fault. I'm not blaming you here in the
airwaves as much as I'm like, Wow, that sucks. And
then I did an AFC North preview episode with Max
Descano a couple of weeks ago, and when we talked
about the Steelers, we talked about questions, very questionable thing
about the team. And then what happened a day later, Anthony,

(04:03):
I bet, I bet you can guess a very meaningful
trade occurred. And I'm happy to be recording this not
on a Tuesday, because now we're two days into camp
and I think that these things that we're talking about,
knock on Wood, will hold relevance and be, you know,
something that we're going to keep an eye on throughout
the rest of the summer. But I want to get
into this topic, Anthony, and I want to start it

(04:24):
by just asking you having been there for two days
in a row, apart from the weather, which God bless
you for sitting out in the sun today, because that
had to have been brutal.

Speaker 3 (04:32):
What is camping like? What's been your.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
Experience and honestly, just your takeaways biggest takeaways from it
so far.

Speaker 4 (04:39):
It's been good.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
You know, I think the I thought about in the
film room yesterday, the energy that I think the team had,
the energy from the fans is there right. The Bills
are a very solid team now, and there's all the
excitement I think about the new stadium and Josh Allen being
the MVP, and the red helmets, and you can literally
point to like like ten different things that could make
you excited as a Bills fan. So the fans have

(05:02):
that energy kind of coming in already.

Speaker 4 (05:03):
But the team just.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
On both sides of the ball were really amped up,
even just very I don't know if it was because
hard knocks was there. I think that's another thing to
be excited about, but just very vocal in terms of
going from segment to segment, drill to drill, you know,
active and vocal and drills active and vocal in team.
Like the first play I think it was in seven
on seven on Day one, Allan throws a pass to

(05:28):
I think in Kate over the middle, but Rap drives
on it and breaks it. Up and the defense like
erupted for rap that to the point that I was like, oh,
I was.

Speaker 4 (05:36):
Like, I read is that? Is that what we're doing? Okay?
Cool like they and it just carried on.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
So like the energy has been great just overall, like
on the practice field, from the team in the stands,
from the fans seeing everybody there, it's been great. And
then there's been some really cool stuff to see on
the field, like some of the developments, some of the
I I essentially just kind of had Max Harriston pencil
in his corner too, and I didn't really think. I

(06:02):
was like, oh, Trey could win it, but Trey, you know, no,
Jink's fingers crossed yep, exactly. Tray's looked great, Like he
does not look like a dude who's been hurt at all.
And it's not just from a technique standpoint, like he
looks quick and he's got some short area burst and
then he's still got like the technique and the knowledge
and the and the spatial awareness and the responsibility. Christian
Benford was unreal on date key on Coleman looked really

(06:26):
good on day two.

Speaker 4 (06:27):
There's fun schematic elements. So there's again it's.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
Only been two days, and maybe some of this is
bolstered by how excited we are for it, but it
really does feel like for a team that doesn't have
a ton of questions, especially on one side of the ball,
it does feel like there's been like fun developments these
first couple of days that are fun to track and
kind of keep an eye on with each you know,
subsequent practice and then leading up to the preseason and

(06:50):
going forward.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
Yeah, and great takeaways. I mean I've been keeping up
closely with your evaluations from camp and if you guys
haven't checked it out following on Twitter, because you're gonna
learn a lot and he gives I love the play
to play basis that you tweet the frequency because I
see like a lot of the Beat reporters will cover things,
but there's like those details that get missed out and
there are things that you're talking about, especially when it

(07:12):
comes to not even just plays on the field, but
coverages and like how they're aligning. Like you mentioned something
about Rap being the safety closer to the line today
and I really like that, Like seeing Bishop as the
post safety, I was like, oh, okay, that's something I've
been speculating like, is he gonna, you know, do that more,
play that more frequently be.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
The primary guy.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
Like those are the things that I like keeping up with,
and you've been doing a great job with it. But
you bring up the defense and like them playing with
a level of juice that you know, not to say
we haven't seen it from them, but like they're amped
up this early in camp, and maybe hard knocks does
have something to do with that. Because you're on the camera,
you want to look good.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
Why not.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
I do wonder if the AFC Championship just left an
ugly taste and a bad taste in their mouths, because,
let's face it, it was an ugly game. Yes, there were
moments in the second half where the defense started catching
their breath and made some nice plays and we're able
to get off the field, but a majority of that
game was Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes having their way
with the Sean McDermott defense. Again, all the you know,

(08:07):
the manipulation, the eye candy, the RPOs that they were
able to get away with and create space with.

Speaker 3 (08:12):
It was an ugly.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
Game and it came on the heels of the Ravens
gutting the Bills defense in the entire second half and
even that whole game, if not for the and the
turnovers are an important part. If not for those turnovers,
there's no stops for the Bills defense. Like the Ravens
shot themselves in the foot, and when they weren't, they
were just running through the Bills.

Speaker 4 (08:30):
Left and right.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
Yeah, the second half, Derrick Henry came alive.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
They had a lot of explosive plays, especially on third down,
and you saw kind of like a microcosm of the
Bill season in that Ravens game, where it took turnovers
to keep them alive, otherwise they were going to get
gashed and have to keep pace. The Chiefs game, they
didn't get as fortunate. Granted, you could make an argument
maybe Bishop did have a turnover, that's neither here or
there either, And yeah, I don't want to bring that

(08:55):
back up, sorry, but I think that there is an
extra level of motivation between what happened in the AFC
Championship and that Hard Knocks episode. And you know, when
you guys refer to Torelbernard's comments on the show yesterday
about playing with the level of aggression and playing with
the new level of intensity that I think they really
want to establish this year, and I think little moments
in practice, whether it's day one, whether it's the final day,

(09:18):
they're treating each one like it just clinched them the game.
And I love that about it, and I hope it continues,
especially when.

Speaker 3 (09:23):
You have a lot of youth on the roster.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
That that leaves a really lasting and positive impression on
you know, guys like TJ. Sanders, Landon Jackson, Dean Walker,
Max Harriston. It's your first training camp in the league.
You want to see a group that's galvanized and hungry
and energized, like this is a great thing to do
for a youth infusion defense that's really going to count
on these guys early in the season. So I love

(09:46):
seeing that that's happening right now in camp. I hope
that continues and we'll just have to see. But hard
to believe it won't also because like why would you
stop now? So, I mean, and any other thoughts before
we get into the actual topics of this episode.

Speaker 1 (09:59):
No, think a lot of the thoughts will funnel into
the topics for the episode. And yeah, it's fun time,
exciting time, and this is a good football team that
is looking to get better and finally get over the hump,
and there's a lot of eyes on them literally and figuratively.
And yeah, I think it's gonna be a fun offseason
and a fun season hopefully again.

Speaker 4 (10:18):
I'm too superstitious to say things like that. That's so dumb.
Fingers crossed, no jicks.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
Yeah, this girl's no jake. That's just the episode of motto.
That's just gonna get a caption.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
For a thousand percent, Like, yeah, get growing up as
a Bill Saying and a Red Sox fan. I don't
care how many World Series the Socks have one. At
this point, I am forever scarred. I will never be
secure in anything for my entire life.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
I was h I mean, yeah, I'm a Yankee fan,
but I'm a Yankee fan born in nineteen ninety six,
so like, I have lived through championships, but I've lived
through one that I was conscious for, and I also
live through the fifth inning of the most recent World series.
So I'll never be comfortable again even if we win
ten in a row.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
But I get into that, bro that Yeah that's scarring. Yeah, man,
I feel you brutal way to go.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
So anyways, talking about the Buffalo bills and training camp.
We are going to share with each other on the
episode right now, our three biggest storylines that we are
keeping up with going into the season. Anthony, I appreciate
you putting a list together. I do not know what's
on your list. You weren't supposed to know what it
was online, but I did tell you three just to
give better context for the episode.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
However, I forgot already.

Speaker 4 (11:24):
Don't worry about it perfect.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
And I said them really fast, not that I thought
that that would go over on him, but more so
because I wanted to feel better about spoiling it. So
I'm gonna pin, you know, spin it back to you.
I want to hear your number three. What is the third,
in your opinion, biggest storyline that you're following a camp
this year?

Speaker 1 (11:44):
This is It's always so, and the same thing hamps
me on this guy's coverage. I always have like my lists,
and then I get into it and I'm like.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
Is this one really three?

Speaker 4 (11:52):
Should this one be two? Should this one be? I?

Speaker 1 (11:58):
Wellgamm's start with this one at it a bit on
this guy's coverage, but I wanted and this is minor,
it ties into a bigger piece. But I'm really interested
to see how the Bills mitigate the loss of Mac
Collins on offense. Oh and someone might hear that and
be like, we caught like thirty or forty passes and

(12:19):
like whatever his run blocking role and hit just him
in general, he was so important to this offense because
of the body type and the skill set and the
play style that he brought with him, and his functioning
and being so assignment sound as a run blocker and
really as a passblocker too, on like RPO bubble screens,
like the stuff like that, and then being also a

(12:40):
capable pass catcher, like before they got a Mariti Cooper,
Matt Collins was the cover zero beater and it worked
a bunch and he was good.

Speaker 4 (12:47):
But you know, some stats.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
He was eleventh amongst all wide receivers in the NFL
last year in run block snaps and he led all
non Buffalo Bills offensive linemen in run blocking snaps last year,
So he was very heavily involved from a volume, you know,
slash quantity perspective, but then he was good. So from
like a quantity perspective, it was there, but from a
quality perspective, it was there. And my question really kind

(13:11):
of boils down to replacing him, and again, I think
it's possible. Like I don't think. I'm not trying to
say like they're doomed because they lost mc collins, although
I would have preferred to keep him. I just wonder
how they replace him, Like is it is it a
like for like? Is like you know what, Keon Coleman's
ready for that role, We're gonna use Keon. But then
it's like, do we want to use Keon more outside? Well, no,

(13:31):
because we'll put Josh Palmer there and we can have
Keon do the Matt Conson. It's like, oh, okay, it's is
it Dalton kin Kate? Is it Jackson Hawes?

Speaker 4 (13:39):
Is it Reggie Gilliam?

Speaker 1 (13:40):
If it is one of those guys I named, Each
one of those guys have different body types and skill
sets and traits and play styles, which means different things
for you schematically in terms of what you can get
to how you can get to it, formationally, alignment concepts,
all of it, both the run and the pass. And
then if it's not with an individual, is it you
know more schematic? Is it you know more personnel based?

Speaker 3 (14:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (14:04):
Do you just going okay, We're gonna go more thirteen instead,
we're gonna go more jumbo. Or do you replace it
with formation and alignment whatever it is, if it's on
an individual like for like basis, or if it's on
kind of like you know the moneyball line that everybody
uses now, if they replace them in the aggregate, like,
each one of those answers brings a different set of
advantages and disadvantages. Again, that's not necessarily or inherently bad,

(14:26):
but I'm just such a I'm such a high floor
like if it's not broken, don't fix the type of guy.
So anytime something changes, I would rather that not happen,
And especially considering how good this offense was last year,
I would rather be fixing. I would rather be fixated
on like tweaking and building instead of replacing, even if
it is something that may seem small or minor. But

(14:48):
I had that question because again I think it's a
potential domino in terms of what it means schematically in
personnel and what they can get to and how they
get to it.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
I like that point a lot, and I think think
one of two things happens. I think it's either Coleman
is that replacement. I think just based off the build,
based off the fact that he can play strong. I
think he's still developing it, but I think when it
comes to run blocking and just the physicality he does
play with, it's there for him to gain and play
at an adequate level where you can replicate Maccollins' ability there.

(15:21):
So I think that to me is the likeliest outcome,
just based off my perception. Again, you've seen them at camp.
You've been able to kind of see the role that
they've assigned him to. But we are two days in
two so we don't know what it looks like in
a week. If there is more consistency there, I would
just bet on it being Coleman's role simply because they
took him last year. They know that what the profile
of the player is. They have big hopes for him,

(15:42):
and I also think that role might be better for
him when it comes to development in the NFL, because,
to be honest with you, I didn't like the box
he was put in last year. Now, I understand when
you're a rookie you don't want to put too much
on their plate. However, I found that a lot of
Coleman's success came when he was closer to the line
or across the field. That's when I really liked him,

(16:02):
and I think you've got to showcase a lot of
his really playmaking abilities that way, because as a true
upfield boundary player. Yes there were moments where it flashed,
there are also moments where he just got completely wrapped
up and covered and I didn't like watching it, and
I would rather have Keyon Coleman be someone that's more
of a threat, not only to be, you know, just
a conventional one dimensional pass catcher, but rather a blocker

(16:24):
that may be in certain formations, leaks out to route
and all of a sudden, he creates a ton of
space and when the ball is in his hand, you
get the best thing about him, which is when the
ball is in his hands, because I think that's his
best trait personally. I think he does really well in
the open field, and I think that could be a
great way to just build up confidence and really rapport
for your second year player. The other path is just again,

(16:44):
like you alluded to replacing the role with a different
player or a different position, and I wonder if that's
based off early camp show out Reggie Gilliam, Like, I'm.

Speaker 4 (16:55):
Not going to keep.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
I'm not going to go down that rabbit hole because
I've done it every year where I've wanted more Reggie.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (17:02):
And I don't know if it's.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
Because Dawson Knox is out or because this was going
to be the plan anyway, but he's been getting a
lot of burn in a bunch of act talking about today,
he was on the field a bunch. They're sending him
in motion, they're shifting him like they're using him as
the adjuster piece.

Speaker 4 (17:17):
In the offense.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
I just I like what he does, and he's got
some athleticism, and he's a hammer. The sledge handle is
not like a joke like.

Speaker 4 (17:26):
He mashes people. And I really like that.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
And I do too, And I have been for years
a proponent of let's get Gilliam the ball more, get
him more involved, because I do think a lot of
success on the ground comes when Gilliam's on the field.
And maybe it's not mac Collins, maybe it's not a receiver,
but that doesn't mean you can't scheme up short routes
for Regie Gilliam. That doesn't mean he's not going to
be a plus run blocker. It just means it might
look a little different, but all means to the same

(17:52):
end of first downs and scores. So if it has
to be Regie Gillium or I know this is only
happening because Dawson Knox is hurt kill those are Jackson Hawes,
I would love that too.

Speaker 3 (18:02):
Now, I'm not going to do this.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
I'm not going to over hype Jackson Hawes because I
know Jackson Hawes is really just like a true blocking
tight end that might get some receiving chops, But it
wouldn't it be so sick if he actually was like
a dependent on tight end in his first year where
the blocking prowess is there. That's kind of what sold
them on him, and all of a sudden he actually
becomes a vital part of the receiving game if Dawson

(18:24):
Knox is not healthy, and that just adds more to
the fire, especially if you go in like heavy personnel
or you had a six to dol N Jackson Hawlles
on the same side. Like I think it can be
replaces kind of the point I'm trying to get at.
I think it's not and not saying you're saying the
end verse. I know you alluded to with Kenny, but
I would say one of those two pats, it's going
to be a different player taking on a role that

(18:45):
might alter what they lean on, what they depend on,
or it's just keyon Coleman and they run more of
the same thing exceptually and Coleman does a really nice
job slotting in. And I think that is also realistic.
And I think you saw some flashes of that with
Coleman today as you were tweeting about how he had
some success on the field getting open.

Speaker 4 (19:02):
And I'm so.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
Glad you brought up because that actually ties directly into
my number three, which is Keon Coleman's development. It was
my third biggest and the reason is I've talked a
lot about like the other receivers, Josh Palmer and Elijah Moore,
and what I think their outcome could be. Coleman has
so much variance in projection, just because again year one,
there was flashes, then he gets hurt, then the flashes
kind of go away. But you saw moments from him

(19:24):
whe were like I could see it. I think the
year he could have this year could be anywhere from
like oh my god, he is that guy, to oh
Jesus here Christ, here we go again. Year two is
not a year two offensive skill position player that's just
not panning out.

Speaker 3 (19:37):
But like without Hollins.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
Is literally when I wrote down in my notes like
and the additions of Josh Palmer and Elijah Moore, does
that make it so that Keon Coleman can wine up
in the slot more often because he was primarily a
wideout And I would love the idea of him being
closer to the line and getting more routes over the
middle of the field to you know, where I think
he can separate, where I think he can create havoc
and be a productive playmaker. And again, you know, does

(20:01):
that build the player up and do some of the
changes potentially to the Bills offense expand his skill set
even more. I'm more interested to see it if it
is like a direct result of how the Bills are
tweaking things offensively, because I think that's a sustainable approach
to Keon Coleman when you talk about what his limitations

(20:22):
are and what can possibly hold him back at the
next level from college and how that could be mitigated,
even if you're not asking him to change anything drastically
like his weight or like, you know, the style he
plays with. I think that keon Coleman's development. Also why
it's such a big storyline for me is the just
direct impact it has on this offense. You're talking about

(20:42):
a player that, if he sees his potential, is an
athletic freak, could do wonders for your receiving core as
far as threat over the middle of the field, threat
upfield threatn the run blocking game. What that can do
for the Bills creatively, There's just a lot of benefit
from his development going in a positive and I think
we're seeing flashes from him again and I hope they

(21:03):
stay consistent because if they do, Anthony, I'm really really
excited about this receiving corps because I already love Khalil Shakir.
I think Khalil Shakiir has this role solidified. Whether you
think he's hit a ceiling or not, it's still a
very productive player. I'm a big fan of what Josh
Palmer brings to the table, just stylistically as a receiver.
Same thing for Elijah More. Granted, I don't think More
is going to get nearly as much run as Palmer.
And then I really like Curtis Samuel. I think Curtis

(21:26):
Samuel came on at the second half of the year
last year when he got healthy. He's a productive player.
He's someone that Bills used really creatively. If not for injury,
you probably saw it a lot more often last year.
So take all those players now, adding a key on
Coleman that develops, I think you have one of the
better receiving cores in the league. And it's a huge
storyline for that reason. So that's really all I got
on Coleman. What do you think before we move on

(21:48):
to number two.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
I think Coleman is a really interesting one, just especially
because he's so polarizing amongst the fan base. And for me,
he's really interesting because I've said this line so much.
You know, he was my wide receiver nine coming out
in that class last year, but I thought he had
the widest range of outcomes of any wide receiver. And

(22:10):
the example I keep giving is, if you told me,
you know, at the end of his you know, career,
he ended up being like a really strong or high
end wide receiver two or a low end wide receiver one.
I'd buy it if you told me he was out
of the league in four years or five years. I'd
buy it if you told me he was a career
one year contract guy. Because multiple teams kept being like,

(22:33):
we can be the ones to finally tap into the
skill set and unlock everything. I'd buy it, Like he
really could be anything because he's so raw, but he's athletic,
doesn't have a ton of experience, is green, all that
kind of stuff that's been talked about so many times.
But he of the receivers that I think are making
this roster, and you you talked about him right, like Palmer,
Samuel Khalil, Shakir Kean Coleman, and I think Elijah Morroll

(22:55):
make it. Coleman is really the one who has true individual,
non scheme up inside outside versatility, Like he is the
guy who in theory can be your X on the
outside and should be able to win one on one
in bully guys, but could also be more of a
power slot and then also could be like a move guy.

Speaker 4 (23:14):
A little bit.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
Like he has so much potential to tap into which
to get to your point, Like unlocks a lot of
options for this offense. And in this year where they
are trying to solidify some roles and are trying to
solidify the wide receiver core, it would be nice if
the guy that you know you spent a second round
pick on last year, went along and developed and kind

(23:37):
of made you look right for trading back multiple times
in that class and picking a wide receiver in a
very heavy wide receiver class where a lot of wide
receivers are balling out from that grouping. So I think
there's also like the fan perspective and the narrative piece
in addition to the on field stuff. Yeah, I think
it's a It's a really intriguing one and if anything

(23:57):
from it, and you know what, even just from like
I was tweeting stuff yesterday and be like, oh, like
this happened or this happened, and the bount of people
who will come in and be like, notice you haven't
said anything about Coleman. He must really suck, And I'm
like Jesus, like.

Speaker 4 (24:09):
That's where you go.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
And then I tweeted a bit one right day one,
and then I tweeted stuff today about how good he
was looking, and people on the other end, we'd like,
see all you did to do is way today.

Speaker 4 (24:18):
This dude's going.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
To be an All Pro And I'm like, what are we?
Why are we doing this game? Like it's just I
do think He's a very polarizing player amongst the fan
base because of and again because the Chiefs took Worthy
and Lad McConkie got taken after and he But just
there's so many things that like always seem to come
back to key on Coleman.

Speaker 4 (24:37):
Somehow.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
I do think he's an interesting one and one that
fans you know, whether people think it's you know, a
topic to watch or not, he is the talk seemingly
of like almost any Bills fan at any point.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
Yeah, agreed, He's He's a polarizing prospect, end player. He's
a player that there had you in their bets on.
I mean, we the magnitude of taking him with their
first pick in the second round, basically their first round pick.
It means a lot for the fans, it means a
lot for the team, and you're going to see a
lot more on his plate this year, and it's up
to him to succeed with it, because if he doesn't,

(25:11):
there are going to be a lot of questions about
his future on the team and in the NFL, and
especially for a player that doesn't have a fifty year option,
where if the end is near, it's a lot more
near than if they had taken him in the first
and had the well, if he's okay, maybe we extend him.
This is a player that you know, he's a project,
and I have a lot of patience for him, but
I do expect more this year, and that's really all

(25:32):
I'm trying to see from him is more consistency. Like
even if you told me Coleman's going to finish the
year with seven hundred and fifty yards five receiving touchdowns,
I'd be like, yep, like that, that's fine by me.

Speaker 3 (25:43):
That's progress.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
It's not perfect, but like I can take higher end
wide receiver two numbers from him and be totally fine
with that, especially in the context of the bill scheme,
where they're also going to be distributing the ball heavily
to a lot of different.

Speaker 4 (25:54):
Targets, running the hell out of the ball, and.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
Running the hell out of the ball. You know, I
said this last year, Anthony. I'm very honored that I
ended up being right about it. But my prediction from
last season was that the top three reception leaders on
the team would be three different positions, and it ended
up being that way because it was if I remember correctly,
Shakir Kincaid and Cook those three. Cook was in the
top three and.

Speaker 4 (26:17):
That was three.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
That was my hot take. By the way, my hot
take was James Cook wild be top three in receptions.
I'm very glad I was right about that. I'm just
giving myself a pat on the back because I'm not
right about a lot of things. But Kean Coleman that
that that's a player that I think there's so much
gravity to the storyline. There's a lot of gravity to him,
and his success is the Bill's success. He would take
them to a place that I don't think they've gone
to because the viability of him as an actual receiving threat,

(26:42):
in addition to how the Bills can run this ball
with their offensive line, it makes them a lot more dangerous.
And you know there are other players in this receiving
core that you could make that argument for too, Like, hey,
maybe Josh Palmer has a John Brown like ascension, like
twenty nineteen John Brown like ascension for the Bills and
you see production from him that you've never seen.

Speaker 3 (26:59):
I think that would also have a lot of impact.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
But Coleman is like, we know that the ceiling of
this player, if realized, is like, oh dangerous, like a
true alpha threat. So that's why it's my number three,
number two, Anthony. I'm interested to hear what you have
for it, because we might. I don't know if we
align on any of these.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
We One of yours that I do remember could tie
into this one overall. But I'm not going to say,
and I'm gonna leave it for you, al though I
do agree with it.

Speaker 3 (27:30):
I'm trying to figure out what I know exactly what
you're talking about.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
Yeah, I'm gonna go this one. This one isn't too
much that I talk about. It's pretty simple and straightforward.
I just want to know if, or if so, how
much the structural or schematic tweaks and changes to the
defensive side of the ball. I for years have and
you know part of this too. There is some bias

(27:55):
in it for me. I gravitate towards more defenses. You know,
from a personal standpoint, I gravitate towards more three four
hybrid type of defenses that are very attack minded. I love,
especially in today's football, simulated pressures and creeper pressures all day,
and then mixing that in with five and six man pressures.

(28:16):
I love zone blitzes like I love fire zones like
I love match coverage and man coverage. So in a
lot of ways, the Bills defense doesn't play to what
my heart desires. They are very you know, sound than
they have been for years, and athletic and aggressive, but
it's a traditional four down front nickel, you know what

(28:37):
it's things are pretty static. The craziest thing you're usually
getting is like, oh, what coverage are they spinning too?

Speaker 4 (28:42):
On the snap? But even that is like all.

Speaker 1 (28:45):
These teams are doing like really cool you know, non
traditional Tampa spins and Tampa to robber or invert and
changing who the pole player is, and the Bills do
like some of that, but not really. The biggest thing
is really just like you know, on the snap, you
know we had before this, we had two high safeties,
but on.

Speaker 4 (29:01):
The snap we switched and now it's cover three and
it's like, okay, like that's still cool. You still change
the picture, but also can maybe be a little bit more.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
And I think some of who they've been and the
type of body types and archetypes that they've gone for
have been why they get beaten the playoffs. And I
think it's been a combination of Jimmy's and Joe's and
X's and O's in the playoffs, I think they haven't
necessarily had the right kind not necessarily haven't had firepower.

(29:32):
I don't think they've had the right kind of firepower
to be successful in the playoffs from a personnel standpoint,
and I also don't think they've had the right game
plan in terms of an x AS and O standpoint,
And so from a personnel standpoint, Jimmy's and Joe's they
leaned more into what they've already done. Max Harrison is
a bit of a departure. We'll see if he starts
in terms of what they usually look for at the

(29:52):
corner archetype, but on the defensive line on the interior,
they leaned harder and what they've already done, Like they
leaned more into inside rush and penetration and gap shooters.
On the edge, they have gone more with compression and
have not gone for athleticism or bend or dip. They've
opted for power and length and compression. From from personnel standpoint,

(30:16):
they just leaned into what they've already been doing. So
I'm not gonna see any changes there, but schematically I
think we can and you know, you bring in Ryan Nielsen,
who everybody and the mothers talked about a bunch. And
then you bring in, you know, the secondary coach of
the CBS coach from the Patriots whose name I always forget, Pellegreen,
thank you so much. He specialized in a lot of

(30:39):
man coverage and things that they did in New England,
a lot of single high structures and a lot of
man coverage. And then Nielsen, you know, all the five
man pressure stuff that he was doing in the stunts
and games and twists and then sims and creepers and
all that.

Speaker 4 (30:50):
And I add that up.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
With what Terrell Bernard and Greg Russo, you know, individually,
on separate episodes of the film Room told Eric and
I unprompted when they talk about winning on early downs
and you know, closing down airspace and things like that.

Speaker 4 (31:02):
And I hope this.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
Year again, I'm not expecting a radical change, but I
am looking for and hoping for more man coverage and
high leverage situations or more match coverage, Like I don't
want as much standard spot drop. Hey, we're just going
to play zone and up. You know it's third and five.
We played cover three and up. There's an easy completion
to somebody in the flat for six yards or the
seam is open and boom, there's an easy completion. Like
I want to see more blitzes. I want to see

(31:28):
more man coverage. I want to see more attacking. I
want to see more press. I want to see more
press man. I just want more disruption.

Speaker 4 (31:36):
Instead of the static play.

Speaker 1 (31:37):
And it's funny saying that because this is a Bills
team that has been towards the top of the league
internal recreation. Like, so they play fast, they play aggressive,
they make plays on the ball, but then it also
feels like they're toothless at times. And you know, I
think they're going to struggle to defend the run on
their interior and the spine. I think they're going to

(31:59):
get displaced. I think they're gonna get blown off the
ball again on the interior. I think they can counteract
that in ways like they did last year with you know,
run blitzes, gapping out, loading the box and then if
their guys can shoot gaps properly and you know, withstand
a little, but I think they'll they have the chance
to be better because Dwayne Carter and Austin Johns were
very ineffective last year. And Jordan Phillips and Quentin Jefferson
were worse, which is why they were booted off bad

(32:21):
football teams in the middle of the year, and then
the Bills picked them up to help them for a
playoff run.

Speaker 4 (32:27):
But that's a conversation.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
And Jordan Phillips did make debatably the most impactful defensive
play in that game, which I think is the shaft too.
Yeah again, which is so ironic because they agree with you, but.

Speaker 4 (32:39):
That puss more than people are like, man, Phillips played
so great.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
I'm like, no, he didn't. No, he got pushed all around.
It's the same thing with like Linvall. Joseph made a
couple cool plays and everybody was like, man, he was
such a force in the middle.

Speaker 3 (32:49):
No, he wasn't.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
He was getting pushed all around. He had no legs left,
Like what are we doing? I and I think they're
gonna struggle in that regards to My hope is they
can counteract that with, you know, just more creativity and
if you gap out on early downs, you get the
third and seven or third and six, and you can
play some man you can bring some five man pressures.
I think for as much as they've been so good

(33:11):
in the Hide and Poyer era of like disguising coverages
on the back end and having interchangeable safeties and all
the things that they're able to do. I think some
of the game has passed them by defensively, and it's
even more frustrating knowing the offense has leaned into more
modern football, hey body types and condensed formations and being

(33:33):
able to access more of the menu without having to
turn the page, and then the defense is just like, no,
where's going to keep doing what we've already done. It's
the example I always give is the episode of The
Office where Pam tells Michael not to date her mom,
and he's like, you know what, I'm just going to
date her harder.

Speaker 4 (33:47):
And that's what the Bills did.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
They leaned harder into what they've already done, which is fine,
but that kind of hasn't worked from a personnel standpoint.
So are you adjusting it schematically? I think they need to.
I think they have to. We've seen some potential breadcrumbs
for that starting early on in camp. A lot of checks,
a lot of adjustments from a man coverage and a
match perspective, adjusting to motions, shifts, changes, information and alignment,

(34:14):
Bobby Babbage and company really drilling that down. And again,
I think these are and I think Max Harrison is
a move towards the type of defense that I'm looking for,
But Tray can also play in that capacity as well,
so I think, yeah, I just think they need schematic
changes and tweaks. Again, they're not gonna become a man
a predominantly man coverage defense. They're not going to become
a predominantly blitzing defense, but I think they need to

(34:37):
work it in more.

Speaker 4 (34:37):
You can't just be like, oh, we're playing the Bills
third down. Yeah, they're gonna rush for and play cover three.
Like you just can't.

Speaker 1 (34:43):
You just can't keep doing that, and then like it
just yeah. I think everything compounds, and which is why
when you get towards the end of the year and
your entire catalog is on tape, the best are able
to be like, oh, yeah, we know who they are
and there's not really a mystery. The biggest wrinkle they've
ever had was when they started working in that odd
mirror stuff against Kansas City a couple of years ago.

Speaker 4 (35:03):
In the regular season.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
They've done it against Kansas City almost every time they
played them and it's continued to work, but nothing else has.
So yeah, yeah, it would be nice to see that.
So that's it's arguably my first. I have a schematic
tweak on offense as well that I know you're going
to talk about.

Speaker 4 (35:16):
But yeah, that's it.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
That's a that's a big one for me because I've
just I've been clamoring for it for years, Like I
just they need to restrict airspace and then also marry
the rushing coverage better, which is tied into this, but
a separate conversation kind of as well.

Speaker 4 (35:29):
Very Yeah, I'm just frustrated defense because they're also not
a bad defense.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
They're not bad, but it's also like again, like I said,
like they they're aggressive and fast and create turnovers and havoc,
but they also feel toothless.

Speaker 4 (35:41):
It's such a weird juxtaposition and that pisses me on.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
It's driving a Corvette that's automatic, it's not driving a
stick shift speeds there like that's that's kind of it.
It's you have a defense that does fly up field
and does want to create havoc, and that's good and great,
but when you're running out the same coverages and same tendencies,
it gets stuffed out no matter how aggressive you are.
And I'm like, you've seen examples of teams in the
past that have kind of an mo of what they

(36:04):
do defensively, but when they face higher power at offenses,
they do get solved. Because at the end of the day,
if you're not going to do enough to change the
norm of what you've been doing, what good is it
if you're going to face someone that just can either
out talent you or wear you down progressively throughout the
course of the game.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
And you know, I think, for example, like I know
he just got fired, but like lu Anarumo, who.

Speaker 3 (36:23):
Shouldn't have got No, he should.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
But like big game loop, like if there was a
big game he was changed, not changing their identity, but
like he had a game plan specifically build screw you up.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
The second half of that chiefs AFC Championship game where
it was rush three dropping the coverage, but they could
do it because they also had the line fire power
to succeed in a three man rush, which must be nice.
But it's those types of things like, yeah, I totally agree,
and I think you might see more of it because
I think with the addition of Mike Pellegrino.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
By the way, his dad saying water salesman in Italy
isn't that crazy?

Speaker 4 (37:00):
But he's that's true. Are you making this up?

Speaker 2 (37:03):
No, his father's name is not Sam Pellegrino. Sorry, I
had to do it. So anyways, the addition of like
Pellagreno from the Patriots defensive system, which you know, we
know a lot about it. It was a very man
coverage heavy team and they did a lot of cool
disguising in their secondary I think he would bring some
refreshing ideas to Babbage's and McDermott's defense as far as

(37:26):
how to mix things up and how to dress it
up a little bit better and how to kind of
break from your norm and make it look a little
different better.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
Also, you bring in a guy like and I don't
think you bring in a guy like that real quick like,
unless you're gonna play more man, either from an overall
usage standpoint or in high leverage situations. You don't bring
in that guy to be like, hey, welcome to the team.
We're gonna play a shit ton of ZWN. What do
you think And he's like, that's not really what I do. No,
not that he can't but like, yeah, just doesn't.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
Yeah, And and some of the bodies they've drafted over
the past couple of seasons, mainly this season because last
year wasn't that many, but like Cole Bishop and then
bringing in Max Harston and even guys that might not
have as good of an athletic profile, but like Dorian Strong,
Jordan Hancock, like these are guys that I think are
better suited for a more man heavy, not man leaning,

(38:09):
but man heavy defense, and the athleticism that they play
with gives them the ability to kind of, in my opinion,
respond better to when teams are trying to attack you
by taking advantage of vacated space and making you come
back to the ball, which I think was a huge
problem for the Bills defense last year.

Speaker 3 (38:26):
When you watch guys like and this.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
Is not meant to jade the player or validate a
fan base that thinks he's the worst player on Earth,
but like when they take advantage of demor Hamlin having
to come up from depth and make a play in space,
I think you have personnel in the secondary specifically better
suited to play from death, which I think would help
them a little bit more, and then better suited to
play in man coverage, whether that is Max Harrison, whether

(38:48):
that is Trey White, Benford, or even Dorian Strong who
has man coverage chops if he succeeds in camp, I
think that this team is better suited to pull off
tweaks to the defense. I hope to see it too,
went because I definitely agree that it's almost like chewing
a piece of gum where it starts out very minty
and like the Bills defenses of like really the earlier

(39:09):
parts of the Sean McDermott or like mid parts. So
we could talk like twenty nineteen through twenty twenty one
where the league didn't fully transition to that heavy rushing attack,
like kind of ground and pound style, And you know,
I don't want to be reductive here, like I know
it's not only that, but like leaning more on a
power run attack and being.

Speaker 3 (39:27):
Able to displace people on the ground.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
You know, the Bill's defense was perfectly suited for that
like flying high pass down the field style of attack
that they'd see from offenses, and you had two of
the best safeties in the league to be able to.

Speaker 3 (39:38):
Cover for you.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
For that they age out, they become less effective. And
also that shift on offense for a lot of teams
puts you in trouble, and I think it's just about
readjusting things and I think that they have made moves
to do that, so I'm a little optimistic that we
will see that how they do it, I'm curious about.
I know, I'm just going to actually bring this to

(39:59):
my one because this is my number one, but it
ties better in with the conversation. But mine focus is
more on the defensive line depth chart and rotation. But
one note I had here, really this is my one too. Okay, perfect,
So we can keep going on this and we can
actually close out with spoilers.

Speaker 3 (40:14):
It's play action.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
We'll end with that because it's play action, but defensive
line death charter rotation. So like for me, before I
get into the actual bodies in the D line, it's
really just you talked about Ryan Nielsen, and that's been
the name I keep bringing up in conversations because I
think his impact is going to be not just there,
but massive for this defensive line. And even if they
didn't change the personnel to be more athletic or change

(40:36):
the profile of Russia, I think how they rush is
going to change. I think how they rush. Changing is
going to be a massive positive for this defensive front
because I think the linebackers they have to complement the
d linemen that are already upfield penetrators, would really work well,
especially if Nielsen is getting creative by like you guys
have talked about in the film room, two to three
man games, different types of stunts, different creative ways that

(40:59):
you can get your defensive line to attack a pocket. Now,
all of a sudden, when you talk about sims, creepers
and if Terrell Bernard's words mean potentially more five to
six man pressures at a higher rate than what they
were last year because they were towards the bottom of
the league and blitz rate. I think you are going
to get a defense that does live up to the
aggressive nature they set out for themselves, but can also

(41:20):
execute and fix their biggest problem, which you guys did
a whole episode on it, the third and long conundrum.
I think, first off, the fact that they actually are
one of the better teams at generating third and long
is the funniest shit ever because it did not feel
like that at all, and you guys both being like
shocked that it was was great, but really like closing

(41:41):
out and being able to help a secondary that maybe
is still a little bit in transition with more creative
ways to rush the passer with more bodies in a blitz,
whether it's just simulating different things, whether it is crossing
up your defensive tackle and edg rusher more often, like,
those are the things I want to see from them,
and I fully expect to happen. And I'm very glad
that they've brought Nielson in and then just complimenting with

(42:02):
the defensive line options. I mean with Hoyt and Ogan
Jobe out. You know, does this help TJ. Sanders and
Landon Jackson potentially depending on how much run he gets
or Dion Walker in being effective pass rushing threats early
in the year, because even if they as players individually
haven't fully panned out yet, does the dressing of the
scheme make it so that they're just in advantageous positions

(42:25):
where Hey, TJ. Sanders might not be refined, but he's
one on one with a guard and he's just going
to get low and bull rush the shit out of him,
and all of a sudden he's got a clear lan
into a quarterback. Or hey, Landon Jackson might not be
as polished. He's still learning how to play a little
further out wide. But we just ran this interior stunt
that forced the quarterback to go to his side, and
all of a sudden, boom like this is great. These

(42:45):
are the things that I'm very intrigued by. I think
are We're going to see a lot of changes to
I think that even if you have concerns about how
the coverage pans out this year, this alone, if this
is a potential improvement for the team, is a huge
one for a defensive front needs to finally be able
to close in key situations.

Speaker 3 (43:03):
And it's why it was my number one.

Speaker 4 (43:05):
Yeah, I'm in.

Speaker 1 (43:07):
It's my number one for pretty much for a lot
of well everything you said, plus the run defense pieces
that I talked about, plus we still don't like I.
As of right now, the Bills kind of have like
an edge one in terms of pass rushing, but they
also kind of don't like I keep using this analogy

(43:30):
or metaphor or whatever it is, I think Greg Russou
is much more of a batman or it's much more
of a Robin or a nightwing, depending on who you
value more than he is a batman. And I think
he needs a Batman to run with him, or you
need another like night Wing or a Robin, or you
need two night Wings like and.

Speaker 4 (43:46):
A rock like you need.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
You need an ace up front, or you could have
like fifty aces like the friggin' Eagles did last year,
but like you need like a Chris Jones or a
Trey Hendrickson or a Max Crosby or again an be
on the interior. It could be on the exterior like
some form or fashion, right. I think ed Oliver is
at Oliver at this point in terms of he flashes

(44:10):
and then he disappears, and maybe all of a sudden
he becomes much more consistent flashes all the time. But
I think he kind of is who he is, and
that's both good and bad.

Speaker 4 (44:18):
But I say that to say, that's your best option.

Speaker 1 (44:21):
On the interior for this year, on the edge, if
you're gonna get a true edge one like pass rushing, presence,
bucket getter. I really do think the best option for
that is Joey Bosa. Yeah, given what he's been And
if it's not him, you're hoping Rousseau takes another jump
in his game, because I think Russeau is again much
more of an edge two than he is an edge
one as a pass rusher.

Speaker 4 (44:42):
Now, what's interesting about all of it.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
There's a chance if Bosa's healthy and Rousseau makes a jump,
you might have two edge ones. But if Bosa gets
hurt and Russeau doesn't make a jump, you have no
edge one. And then you're trying to cobble it together
with a room of you know, Greg Russau, who's more
of a two, and then it's Rousseau and Apanessa and

(45:04):
Solomon and Landon Jackson and I.

Speaker 4 (45:08):
There's a part of me that.

Speaker 1 (45:09):
Sees the defensive line and goes, man, this could be
like like a real quality unit with a lot of
depth and a lot of rotation capability, and where you
have a ton of just B and B plus players
and maybe an A or two.

Speaker 4 (45:24):
This could be like a really good unit.

Speaker 1 (45:26):
And then there's another part of me that sits there
and goes this could be the exact same thing we've
seen every single year the past several years, where they
get blown off the ball in the interior. They don't
have somebody who can get you a bucket off the edge.
And we're sitting here next year at this time or
next year in February or March going, Man, they really
need defensive tackle help, and man, they really need edge help.

(45:46):
Like for a team that believes the defensive line is
the engine and has said that, and McDermott and being
a bothen Quota is saying, like, we build out the
team for the defense from the defensive line back. They
have a sh shit ton of defensive line questions every
year and it seems like they're not getting answer. You
know what, I should backtrack it a bit because von

(46:09):
Miller worked. Von Miller was the closer and was what
he was supposed to be and then he got hurt
on Thanksgiving, like for as much as but the bigger
issue with that is like everybody's like, oh, it's because
vonn was washeder because he was old. No, he just
happened to tear his acl like he was great before that.
Part of my the bigger issue I have with that
is is you put so many eggs into that one basket.

Speaker 4 (46:31):
Because you didn't have any other baskets.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
Yeah, and so that one basket broke and you're like, well, shit,
now we don't have anything to carry our eggs. And
then you're now you're chasing your tail year after year,
And so that's a big one for me, like can
you manufacture it with scheme?

Speaker 4 (46:47):
Like is it? You know?

Speaker 1 (46:48):
Nielsen's doing great and they've got some tweaks and the
way the front is working in general with defensive line
and the linebackers. Man, there's just so much schematic potential. Again,
Nielsen did a lot of fun stuff with the Falcons
in twenty twenty three. Yeah, their front did not have
anywhere near the individual capability that the Bills had. Like,
so if he could do it with the Falcons, I
would like to think that he could do it with

(47:09):
the Bills because they have a better group and better capability.
But for me, it really is right now like such
a toss up, Like we could be sitting here being like, man,
it really panned out, or it could be like, well,
t J. Sanders can't is getting blown off the ball,
Larry Ogan Jobey's getting blown off the ball. Landon Jackson
has no lower body flexibility and can't do anything and
just keeps getting stood up left and right group didn't

(47:30):
take a jump, and Joey Bosa played four games and
Ed Oliver keeps disappearing and daikwon Jones looks long in
the tooth, and Dwayne Carter is still the same guy
he was last year, and Dion Walker's back is still
a problem. Like there that is literally a scenario, or
it could be the inverse and it could be the
positive or the ceiling side for all those like it's
just it's such.

Speaker 4 (47:52):
A yeah and that variance.

Speaker 1 (47:55):
Again, it's frustrating in a vacuum, but it pisses me
off even more knowing that this game is so like
the defensive Again, not to use the Eagles because I
think the Eagles are an unfair example, but we know
the Eagles value their defensive line and just look at
all the assassins they've had on that defensive line over
the years. And then the Bills do the same thing.
That's why it's frustrating with when teams, when fans are
like yo, the Bills need to do what the Eagles

(48:18):
have done.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
They have they are Fangio runs a very similar scheme.

Speaker 4 (48:24):
The issue is they haven't hit on any of the guys.
They keep gritting front like.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
The once in that Super Bowl right at they dared the.

Speaker 1 (48:33):
Chiefs to be like yo, we don't like they were
literally like we don't think your offensive line combination works.
We think we can beat your tackles because you've got
Tuney at left tackle and he's more of a guard.
We think we could run through your right tackle. We
think we can take care of your left guard, and
we'll go from there. And then you've got like Nolan Smith,
who's a quality rotational player blowing up Trey Smith, who

(48:54):
is now like the highest paid guard in NFL history.
And Nolan Smith isn't even a regular starter. Again, I
like no Smith, but like, but the point is, like
they it's they didn't have like a top six, they
had like a top eight. You're just rotating sharks left
and right and fan Yeah, it's like, oh, I wish
the Bills could do that.

Speaker 4 (49:10):
The Bills do do that.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
They just rush for their four don't get there, or
they do get there, or they have a chance and
they win, and the coverage is shitty on the back end,
and the coverage doesn't bail them out because there's no
marriage there. And it's oh, I'm so frustrated every I
hate every year going into the offseason for the Bills
being like, okay for free agency in the draft, I

(49:31):
gotta want to watch a bunch of defensive tackles and
edges because the Bills need defensive tackles and edges again,
and it's.

Speaker 4 (49:36):
Like how and they will stan up?

Speaker 2 (49:39):
Yeahs, I mean even yeah, I was gonna say, because
even if let's let's say the best scenario and Sanders
Walker and Sanders Walker and Carter are like all taking
ascension doesn't matter because they.

Speaker 3 (49:52):
Still need another body in the room. So you're gonna
have to watch them anyway.

Speaker 1 (49:55):
And say the edges all hit at Vanessa's a UFA
next year, Folks is on a one year d yep.

Speaker 4 (50:01):
That's why, like and not all those positives are gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
So you're sitting here next year, you could be sitting
here next year after this year, where it's like, man,
we have ed Oliver, T J. Sanders, Dwayne Carter, and
Dian Walker, and only Ed Oliver is a capable starter
And you could be doing the same thing at Edge
where it's like, man, we only have Greg russoe, Lannon Jackson,
and Javon Solomon under contract, and only Greg Russo is

(50:26):
a capable edge.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
And it's just like.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
If I'm man if I may to put a positive
spin on this because it could be the like it
could work, like you said, it could be the positive end. Yeah,
it could be the negative vent, and it could be
a multitude of possibilities in between.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
I totally and I'm not disagreeing at all because I'm
I'm aligned with you.

Speaker 3 (50:48):
It is a variant group.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
We don't know what it'll look like because really the
range of outcomes is so vast because it's not just ability,
it's also health, it's also age, It's everything that goes
into how they constructed the room. I think personally, the
room is a product of an active transition phase that
isn't complete with their D line, hence all the youth infusion,
hence one year deals to finalize what they'll probably end

(51:12):
up doing next season where they'll draft more talent for
the room. It's not done yet, but that doesn't mean
it can't work. However, it does mean that even if
it works or doesn't work, it still needs work next
season regardless.

Speaker 3 (51:22):
So it was part of lapping.

Speaker 1 (51:24):
I was laughing because I was like, watch them trade
for Trey Hendrickson. Then I was like, watch them do
it right now like a wright. As we're done recording
this offline and it's like they trade for trade Hendrickson
at like midnight and this episode, if.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
It happens, I'm happy because at least I made it happen.
That was my will. My show made that happen, So
I'll take it. But I'm putting a very close eye
on Javon Solomon, not because I think he's in a
He's looked good.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
He moves really nice, and he's got really good hand
like he This is gonna sound stupid and I hate
saying this, Like he looks like he should be a
good football player, Like he just like the way he's built,
the way he moves, He like he looks the part.

Speaker 4 (52:08):
We just gotta see what happens when the Pats come on.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
I mean, what was it sixteen and a half sacks
in his senior year? If I remember, he had a
crazy numberiety not even to be like unserious or sarcastic,
I don't remember, because it was so many.

Speaker 4 (52:20):
Yeah, he lived in the backfield.

Speaker 3 (52:23):
He looked good when you watched him.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
And my thing was last year, in very very limited
sample sizes, there were flashes from him.

Speaker 1 (52:30):
You saw it played the run very well, like though
the the like the pass rush stuff. I think could
be more flash in the pan based on what we
saw last year, right, his run defense going all the
way back to the preseason was sound like. His athleticism
played his physicality and his like reading of it. And
that's a huge piece considering he's undersized.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
Yes, and I'm very bullish on him only because I
don't think I think the limitation is literally how many
snaps he gets and if Joey Bosa and Greg Russell
and them are healthy.

Speaker 3 (52:57):
Even though it's a rotation, I don't think he's going
to get a large portion of the snawhare.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
I think what he is is a true pass rush
specialist and he's going to nail the role like I
think he'll do quite well in it. And he's someone
I'm really excited for because everything I just talked about
on the side of Ryan Nielsen and what he could
bring to the scheme, imagine just wide out Javon Solomon
crashing in and funneling in and what he could do
with how quickly he can get off the line and
how he could displace people with his hands. I really

(53:21):
like him. I liked him last year. I liked watching him.
I was very realistic about what it could look like
in year one. I'm looking forward to a year or
two of Javon Solomon, And yes, the defensive line has
a ton of variants, and it very well could be
sour right, It could fall apart. It could be the
same routine that it's kind of been the past couple
of years where this player did well but it wasn't
enough because either someone got hurt or someone didn't live

(53:41):
up to the hype.

Speaker 3 (53:42):
I'm not expecting seventeen games of Jillie Bosa. I'm just not.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
I think there's going to be games without him or
in a very limited role despite the snapcount limitations that
they said they're going to do for him. But it's
variant because also there's a plus side with your young
players developing.

Speaker 3 (53:56):
We could see TJ.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
Sanders and that upfield nature of his actually coming to
fruition very quickly and maybe sound run defense to boot,
which to me, it just takes one of these guys
to trickle down to the rest. I'm not saying it's
gonna make everyone in all pro but like the development
of Sanders or even like a Stephan Rissell or one
of these guys. And I said this last year you
were on the show when I said it, one of
these guys is like a slight multiplier for the others,

(54:20):
and that's just what I need. I just need to
see one flash because I think that can bring you
more stability, can build more to you and what you're doing,
and again, more creative usage of your interior defensive line
of your edge rushers fro Ryan Nielsen with one of
these guys as sending could be a very good combination.
And it's why I'm watching it as number one.

Speaker 1 (54:38):
And we should also mention, you know, he suspended for
the first six games. I do think Michael Hoyt brings
a lot of schematic potential and chess pieceery to this
defensive line. I just like not that I'm not including
him in the conversation, but I think he's best suited
when you're taking advantage of him schematically. And so I
don't count him as a true edge because I don't

(55:00):
want him just to be a true edge, like if
they just use him as like a in the edge rotation,
he's just rushing off the edge like anybody else.

Speaker 4 (55:07):
I'm gonna be so pissed, Yeah, because.

Speaker 1 (55:10):
He should be used how he was in LA or
how like Clay Matthews was in Green Bay. Like that's
spinner type of rule. So I don't count him as
like a true edge player, but he does factor in
and give them multiplicity and usage ump front. So that's
somebody who I think like also gives them the opportunity
to be successful and very and multiple this year. Regardless
of if he suspended six games or not. It's just

(55:31):
a matter of how they use him and truly unlock him.
I have to think they're going to use him how
they used him in LA. It would be wild to
bring him in and just be like, Nope, it's just
going to be like you and aj Panessa and Greg
Ruso enjoyed.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
Especially because they saw him firsthand when they played Los
Angeles being used in a multitude of ways. I mean,
how could you even watch that and assume that this
guy's just going to be a locked in edge rusher
for you. But also would it surprise you if they
did that, because it wouldn't surprise me if they it would.

Speaker 1 (56:01):
It would I'm gonna talking about both sides of my mouth.

Speaker 4 (56:04):
It would surprise me.

Speaker 1 (56:06):
Because I think they're very good at bringing in people
that fit their archetype, and if you don't fit their archetype,
they don't bring you in.

Speaker 4 (56:14):
So if you're like best.

Speaker 1 (56:15):
As, like a three four hybrid player, they don't play that,
so they're probably not gonna bring you in. So it
would surprise me because of that, But it also wouldn't
surprise me because they don't do the stuff that the
Rams did or that Michael White does. Now they haven't
really had a player like that since back to like
Lorenzo Alexander, potentially at the beginning of McDermid's tenure. And

(56:38):
this also could be the reason that they did. It
was because you know, they're like, you know what, we
haven't done that kind of stuff, and we need to
do more of that kind of stuff, and you know,
hey we have Ryan Nielsen, and hey we have guys
who can take advantage of that. More So, on the
one hand, it wouldn't surprise me. On the other hand,
it would yeah, yeah, man, that would send for because
he was I I've said this so much like I

(56:58):
watched a lot of Rams table offensively and defensively last year.
That's because I really love Kobe Turner, and I just
kept noticing that, like ninety seven kept popping in all
these different games in all these different ways, and I
was like, I knew his name, but I didn't know
how to pronounce it. And I was like, I got
to start paying attention more to this dude. And then
he was UFA and he was tops on my you know,

(57:19):
free agent list, and then they signed him like and
I was like, oh, this is perfect. And then I
was like, watch it not be perfect, because they're just
going to be the most boring thing with him that's.

Speaker 4 (57:27):
Going to be.

Speaker 3 (57:28):
I hope, I really hope it's not.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
And we'll have to say, but this defensive line room
is number one for both of us, and for good reason,
because a successful revamping of the room means, in my opinion,
a successful defense and I think it just it It
solves a problem they've had for so many years of
just being a definitively closing group. And I think they
have potential for it, but it's not a guarantee, just
because again of how many question marks lie about these players,

(57:52):
a lot of them from inexperienced, some from injury and age,
some from just very slow development. I will say with
Greg Russell, I picked him to out and I picked
him a breakout because of Nielsen's presence and some of
the additions to the d line to a point where
even if he has to be like not Superman, but
like I'm using a Fortnite term because I've been watching
my girlfriend play as on a Fortnite but she eats

(58:13):
that thing that turns her into Superman. Like if that's
what Russeu's got to be, where he eats the scheme
to become Superman. As long as we got someone making
the plays, we got it, So I'll take it. But
that's the biggest one. But I do want to close
the show out and by talking about what was my
number two and it was on your list as well,
But it's play action usage because you and I have
spoken about this many times and we wouldn't end so much. Yeah,

(58:35):
when the Seattle game happened, we talked about it because that,
to me was my that is my favorite game of
the season from last season. I thought that was when
the offense looked just the most cohesive. It was a
healthy blend of play action and then some lineup out
of the shotgun and just getting creative with how they
were using their tight ends and knocks and Kincaid were involved,
Coleman was involved, it was realized it was beautiful, and

(58:59):
then they just dipped away from it and hardly used
it at a higher rate than that game. They finished
twenty seven at the play action rate, but they were
still so immensely successful when they ran play action. What
I want to see is an uptick in play action usage,
and you have seen it at Camp Anthony, which is
why I put it on this list.

Speaker 3 (59:16):
What it can do for this offense.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
When you talk about the thread of your rushing attack
now being bolstered by your passing attack, gaining a multiplier
from it because now these looks are creating space. You're
holding the ball, you play into the favor of the
separators that can already generate space, but now find soft spots.
Or Keon Coleman who might struggle with separation but can
now find space because of the time he gets, or
Josh Allen being able to go get a bucket himself

(59:40):
because he does really well and off script plays and
it will have the time in a deeper pocket to
assess the field and go off script. Everything about play
action is just a net positive for this team. The
fact that they are showing it be it early in camp,
but that they are showing it.

Speaker 4 (59:54):
And last year.

Speaker 2 (59:55):
When you were there and Eric were there and you
guys talked about how they were running different types of
motion and they were of more static years prior, and
then they did run a bit more motion the following year,
Grant did not most in the league, but a higher rate.
I think this could be an indicator of a higher
rate of PA and that is going to be a
massive push for the offense. So final topic, let's close
out the show with your thoughts on play action usage

(01:00:17):
and what you're expecting.

Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
It was just criminal that they didn't do it more
last year. I know it's a stupid thing to nitpick
and complain about considering how good they were last year
and they have the MVPA quarterback, but they had a
really good running game and they were twenty seventh in
play action at a rate of eighteen percent.

Speaker 4 (01:00:34):
Like that's just.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
That's having a good run game should lead to play action,
and it's like literally taking candy from a baby, especially
for a passing attack that struggled at times in structure
and struggled at times with separation and struggle at times
with chunk plays and getting the ball downfield play action
is a good way to not necessarily manufacture that, but

(01:00:56):
create that a little bit. And you've got this really
athletic moose of a quarterback that you can put on
the run with bootlegs and different stuff, and it just
all makes too much sense.

Speaker 4 (01:01:06):
Like it just it really does.

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
Like you you hear it when you start watching football
as a little kid, Like every announcer at some point
says like, oh, the run game is working. That's really
going to open up a play action and it was like, yeah,
it does and it will, and then the bills are like, no,
I'm just not going to do it, and it's like, well,
why would you not do that thing? And it's been
a lot of play action these first couple of days,

(01:01:28):
especially today on day two, like it was, it was
a lot of play action, a lot of under center,
straight drop back play action and bootlegs. And I found
that very, very very encouraging. And I knew you would
like that because you and I have talked about it
so much, not even just like on the timeline on Twitter,
like in the DMS, we have talked about it so

(01:01:49):
much and you'll being like, why do you think they're
not doing it? And I'm just like yelling back in
all caps, like I don't know, but I'm not like.

Speaker 4 (01:01:56):
It's just what it's and it's frustration.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
It is, and there's not a lot of places that
they need to tweak or where they can go with
his offense. So in a dream world, give me more
play action and more pistol. I don't think the pistols
necessarily gonna happen, So just give me more play action.
And if today was an indicator, we may be getting
that again breadcrumbs, you know, fingers crossed, no jinks.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
If I had to choose one of the two, I'm
choosing play action. I don't know if it was because
maybe they just wanted to slowly work up to it.
And maybe when they were installing things for the playbook,
it was Josh who said, maybe I'm just not crazy
about winding up under center and having to turn around.

Speaker 3 (01:02:30):
I know some quarterbacks like to be static.

Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
I'm not saying he does, but maybe it was like
I would prefer to. Maybe I don't know, maybe it
was just slowly working up to it. Maybe it wasn't
that and they had it and they just didn't want
to dial it up as often.

Speaker 4 (01:02:42):
I don't know it play action.

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
I always thought, like the thing I've always said, like
play action, even when he was struggling mechanically, play action
has a way of kind of like resetting his mechanics
for him when he could like hit that run fake
and hit the top of his drop and bounce and
set and like flow through like he Again, most quarterbacks
do better off play action in general from a statistics perspective,
but I thought for him it would reset him mechanically

(01:03:06):
a bit, and he's really good like with ball handling
and selling the run fake.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
I just im just saying, like, like I think so much,
and you know, it's almost deja vous that I'm saying
it again, but like I think so much about the
Packers too, because I just found like what the Bills
are running, not verbatim, it's not the same exact scheme,
but what they could be like an even distribution offense
that has a heavy, powerful rushing attack with a quarterback
who's running a ton of play action and does really

(01:03:32):
well off of it, like the way that the Packers
have kind of built up Jordan Love, who I think
is a very good quarterback but also one of the
best peer deep ball throwers in the league. I feel
like a big part of that has come from the
fact of how reliant they are on play action and
what it's done for them, And I think for the Bills.
You know, we talk a lot about Josh Allen's deep
ball accuracy being still a lingering issue, especially in the

(01:03:53):
context of like Dalton Kincaid analysis, And I'm not saying
that it's an automatic improvement, but I do think giving
Josh Allen the opportunity to take a deeper drop, see
the field the smidge more cleanly, and maybe feel more
confident in delivering down build throws if he's got a
guy open, that might be the remedy you need. I
mean again, that Seattle game, those play action shots of
twenty plus yards were really successful to Dawson Knox into

(01:04:14):
Keon Coleman, and in the time they did it against
Jacksonville to Keyon Coleman, and like just so many examples
of it working that I just don't understand why they
don't do it more. And I think it's on this
list because it's not just, you know, a gimmick for
the offense.

Speaker 3 (01:04:27):
It's not just a wrinkle.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
It's a legitimately like pass offense altering variation that you
can run that I think for some of the lapses
the Bills have had against really touted defenses like Houston
for example, who they will be seeing again, or the
early Baltimore game, you know they're seeing them week one.

Speaker 3 (01:04:43):
Or even one was huge.

Speaker 1 (01:04:45):
Man, the running game was working. I kept being like, oh,
like there's another run, yep, let it, you know, yeah,
the action on first down, and it was like, no,
we're just going to keep it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:53):
And I think it was.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
Wasn't it like their lowest rate of the season or
maybe one of their like bottom five lowest the season.
It had to have been, because it felt like they
didn't run it at all. But that's what I'm saying, like,
you're going to be facing good man coverage defenses. While
I like the improvements or adjustments they've made to their
offense when it comes to receiving core and the skill sets,
it's not a guarantee that works. But help them help

(01:05:16):
that transition become a little more smooth. Run more play action,
open yourself up to more opportunities for free space, more
time for Josh Allen, especially if you have a rushing
attack that in my opinion has been proven to work
against really any front, even ones as talented as Houston, Baltimore,
Kansas City. That to me is the bread and butter.
That to me is what I think would transform your

(01:05:36):
passing attack, and a passing attack that's already the part
of one of the best offenses in football with an
MVP quarterback.

Speaker 3 (01:05:43):
It just seems like a layup.

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
It seems like an easy thing to do, and I'm
very happy that they're doing it at camp.

Speaker 3 (01:05:48):
I really hope they keep it up.

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
I just do because this is this is something that
I think like for offense, especially when you talk about
Kean Coleman's development. Is there a ceiling that can be
broken for Khalil Shakir, Josh Palmer, all these guys. Dalton
Kincaid like, we can create opportunity by doing this.

Speaker 4 (01:06:05):
Yeah, I completely agree. And I looked up that play
action rate.

Speaker 1 (01:06:10):
I don't know if it was their lowest on the year,
but again, their average for the year was eighteen percent,
which was twenty seventh in the league. That Week five
game against the Texans, their play action rate was twelve
point nine, discussing five point one percentage points.

Speaker 3 (01:06:21):
And they were struggling the whole game like that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
The Josh Allen was nine for twenty two in that game,
where was it?

Speaker 4 (01:06:28):
Like you needed it?

Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
I it never made sense to me, and they were
dealing with injury. Coolstal Care was out in that game,
but like, I'm sorry, man, that's not an excuse.

Speaker 3 (01:06:35):
Next man up.

Speaker 2 (01:06:36):
I think Jalen Virgil was active. I think they might
have still had MBS. I don't remember. But that doesn't
mean you can't run it, and like, it doesn't mean
you can't.

Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
Found success with the running with the run game run
play action off that your passing game is struggling, Yeah,
just figure out a way. And it just seemed again
that that was one to me that it really seemed
like I kept sitting there waiting like, oh, okay, now
they're going to use the play action. Now they're going
to take a shot, and the Texans just being like, no,
we're going to load the box and like try and
stop the run, and the Bills are like all right, cool,

(01:07:04):
We're just going to keep running it. And I was like, well,
this doesn't make any sense at all. I don't understand
what we're doing.

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
And all we can hope is that they want it more.
I think they will. I think everything that we've discussed
in this episode, for you know, for the good and
bad that we've discussed, I think it's either option has
a very realistic path. But I'm going to, for the
sake of not having an existential crisis live choose the
positive side until I'm proven otherwise, which, yeah, it leads
to heartbreak. But in all seriousness, I do believe in

(01:07:32):
the changes that the Bills have made an offense on defense.
I do believe that they are cognizant of their faults
and are trying to improve on them. It is a
matter of just execution and whether the personnel or the
adjustments you're making to your schemes can pan out in
the regular season against tough competition that you're going to
see on your schedule this year. But I'm I'm really
excited and just seeing some of the tangible proof that

(01:07:53):
those changes are happening, whether it's to a major or
minor degree, that's reassuring because I think this team is
not They're not out of you know, contention, They're very
much in the hunt for a super Bowl, just like
the top flight of the AFC. Still, I think minor
tweaks is all we were asking for. I think there
is again realistic path to them making those tweaks and

(01:08:13):
getting over that hump. And we're gonna find out more
in the coming weeks because football is back and I
have not been this happy since football, well actually since
the Ravens week, because I would say since football ended,
but that was a really sad week. So the Ravens week,
I was really happy, So I'll say about that. But Aunt,
any final thoughts, any last thing you want to say
before we sign off for the night.

Speaker 4 (01:08:33):
No, this is awesome. Thank you for having me. I
appreciate the hell.

Speaker 3 (01:08:35):
With you absolutely, man, I appreciate you being here again.

Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
Guys at Pro Underscore Underscore Aunt, that's two underscores, don't
forget it. You can catch him every once in a
blue moon here, but also every Tuesday night on the
Skuy's coverage and every Wednesday or Monday or Tuesday or Thursday,
Fridays or Saturday or Sunday on the Film Room, depending
on when these guys go live. It's really fun finding
that out. Shout out to Eric Tay.

Speaker 3 (01:08:58):
That's the way. We just just whatever we can figure
it out.

Speaker 1 (01:09:00):
It's tough, man, and then especially with the Bills having
like Sunday game, Thursday game, Monday game, it's gonna be.

Speaker 4 (01:09:06):
I was gonna say.

Speaker 1 (01:09:07):
I was about to say, like all regular season will
be every Wednesday, and then I was like, yeah, you
have a bunch of non Sunday games, so we'll see.

Speaker 2 (01:09:15):
We will say, but you could catch in on any
one of those days. But check out the Skuy's coverage
if you guys haven't. It's a tremendous show and does
excellent work. You know, just one of the brightest minds
in our space and someone that you'll learn a lot from.
I learn a lot from him. It's why I get
him on the show, because I love talking ball with
him and I only wish to have a half of
his knowledge. But I think I'm at like point zero
zero zero one percent, which is better than I was

(01:09:35):
last week. So and thank you for being here. I
appreciate the heck out of you for me. Guys, my
name is Joe de Rosa. Thank you so much for
tuning into this week's episode of Under Review. I have
no idea what day I plan on having this go.
Maybe tomorrow, maybe the day after. You don't even know
what tomorrow or the day after is we never said
what day it was. That's the cool part of pre
recording the show. Maybe we did say what days.

Speaker 3 (01:09:55):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:09:56):
I think I said today was day two of practice.
But if I didn't, then I did. Now you can
got the part.

Speaker 3 (01:10:01):
That's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:10:01):
They also would have to think about it more so.
I like the mystique of that, even though they will
find out. But everybody, thank you so much. For those
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hyped and we are going to continue be hyped.

Speaker 3 (01:10:43):
I will be back and we'll be back.

Speaker 2 (01:10:44):
But for tonight, I'm going to say, have a fantastic
evening because I'm about to go see that movie and
X Men.

Speaker 3 (01:10:51):
Yeah, that's it.

Speaker 4 (01:10:53):
That's maybe.

Speaker 3 (01:10:54):
I don't with the Marvel Universe.

Speaker 4 (01:10:55):
They do this, right, that's them. That's yeah, you did right.

Speaker 3 (01:10:58):
Yeah. I love the Things.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
The things catch phrase it's thinging time. It's amazing. It's
a so cool dude. He's just always singing things, always thinging.

Speaker 4 (01:11:09):
Oh where's where's the thing thing? Yeah, he's just torturing.

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
He's mister Fantastics just doing He's all right, he's he's
it's been a rough couple of months for mister Fantastic.
He's not really, he's just alright, I guess. But I
The Fantastic Four does absolutely nothing for me. I don't
know really, I've never given two craps.

Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
About Oh no, it has like a wrest like yeah,
as a wrestling fan, they keep doing this, and that's
what the Four Horsemen do. So I'm like, hey, Fantastic four,
you need to slow your roll.

Speaker 4 (01:11:42):
But yeah, they've never The thing is crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:11:45):
The thing is just a rock and then human Torch
is just on fire, in visible Woman's invisible.

Speaker 4 (01:11:48):
I guess mister Fantastic is.

Speaker 1 (01:11:50):
Smart but also rubber.

Speaker 4 (01:11:52):
That's why I thought I was mad funny.

Speaker 1 (01:11:54):
In the second Doctor Strange but not kiss as mister
Fantastic is there.

Speaker 2 (01:11:58):
For two minutes and Scarlett Witch is like and just
get he gets annihilated. I we're gonna have an offline
conversation about Mike Brpe with that scene, by the way,
because I was actually ranting about this to my girlfriend
about why like that scene pissed me off. But I
do like that movie. But besides the point, everybody enjoying
the rest of your evening. We will see you soon,
Fantastic and as always, go Bills take care of everybody.

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