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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Wow. I really missed you guys, so much so that
I actually put a typo in Tonight's tagline that was
just supposed to say Joe's Angeles, and I just saw
that for the first time as the show started. So
we're off to a great start this week, folks. It's
good to be back. I'm really excited to talk about
the Bills. I'm sure you're really excited to talk about
the Bills. I'm sure my guest tonight is really excited

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to talk about the Bills. This is going to be
a fun episode as we recap the very uneventful Buffalo
Bills trade deadline, go over the remnants of the Kansas
City matchup that we want to talk about, and get
into the weeds of this upcoming matchup, the rematch in
Miami against the Dolphins. It's going to be a fun one, folks.
I hope you're ready for it, because we are. And
I will stop babbling. I will let that intro play

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and I will say, let's go. My dog is excited
to previous play.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
We'll go on to review.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
Citizens of Earth, led Me your ears, and thank you
so much for tuning into this week's episode of Under Review.
My name is Joda Rosa again, Tonight's tagline is Jos
Angeles because I am returning from a vacation where I
got to check in from time to time to see
some absolutely insane Twitter discourse going on after a forty
to nine win over the Carolina Panthers, proving that no

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matter what, there will always be takes, and not all
those takes are going to be good or make sense.
But that's the world we live in when it comes
to having a team with expectations ones of Super Bowl hopes.
Tonight's episode, as I mentioned, we'll be previewing the coming
matchup against the Dolphins, but I want to talk about
the trade deadline first, and before I do, I have
to bring in my guest. He is returning to the

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show for the first time in a while. It's great
to have him back and I love him and Luca's show.
You guys got to check out Bill's chat pod. Of course,
I say him and Luca because he is not Luca.
He is Josh McCarty. Josh, welcome back. I appreciate the
heck out of you for giving me your time this week.
How you doing, man, it's been a while.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
I'm doing great. Joe, thanks for having me back. Always
good to be back on Under Review. And yeah, there's
been some interesting takes out there in the Twitter verse,
and I'm hoping we can get into some of those tonight.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
Oh, we could start right now, Josh. We could start
right now, because truly, I knew when I would do
another episode I would have to bring this up because
the most insane thing I saw was the Josh isn't
locked in enough comments because his marriage is in turmoil,
and I just I just gotta hit y'all with the
you need to stop, you need to breathe, you need

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to relax, let's take let's take a moment, take a
step back, maybe put the phone down for a couple
of minutes. That is ridiculous, and I just I can't
process that, Like I can't physically look at that and
say that because they won a game forty to nine,
and yes, Josh was not great in that game, that
that is the first thing we're running to as the
reason that he went on a bit of a skid

(03:15):
over the past couple of games, and not just it's
a long regular season and it's not the first time
he's done it before. And they're also at the time
they were five and two. I don't know, Josh. I mean,
I don't want to give too much power to it,
but I am curious what you thought about, like just
the craziness going on on the app as well as
that take this past week.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
Yeah, and it's weird the standard we hold athletes too, right,
Like somehow Josh being in a happy marriage with a
wife who he's in love with is a bad thing.
When we think about ourselves and our own existence. When
things are good at home, we usually perform better at work,
or better in our workout, or better in our goals.
I know we're going to talk about the trade deadline tonight,
but two of the takes that are just fingernails on

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the chalkboard for me are the takes on Brandon Bean
for folks that are mad that they didn't make a
trade that Brandon Bean is never aggressive. We're talking about
the same guy that trade up for Josh Allen, trade
up for Tremade Edmunds, trade up for kyer Elam, and
trade up for Dawson Knox.

Speaker 4 (04:09):
That's our Dalton Kaka. That's just in the first round.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
And then he's also signed von Miller to a multi
mega million dollar deal traded for Stefon Diggs and three
times now at the trade deadline has traded a Day
two pick for players.

Speaker 4 (04:22):
So that's that's not accurate.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
And then there's some people that say, well, he should
send all the picks because he never drafts any good
players anyway, and that one, to me is just like
I just want to I want to ignore it. I
wish I could, but it's like, just name your ten
favorite Bills. Just name them, because guess what, Christian Benford,
not even just Josh Allen. Okay, we all get it.
He drafted Josh Allen. There's this idea that he's just

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living off of the Josh Allen draft pick and hasn't
done anything since. It's like, just name your favorite Bills.
Christian Benford, Taron Johnson, Max Harrison, Cole Bishop Terrell, Bnard,
Matt Milano, at Oliver, Greg Grusso that's just on defense, folks,
Let's go to offense. Spencer, Deon Dawkins, James Cook, Khalil
Shakir Dalton, KK Dawson, Knox. All the best bills are
draft picks, so he must be doing something right.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
No, he's definitely not, and he deserves to be fired
as apparently the response. Look, I just feel like we
have very all or nothing takes when it comes to
football and the front office. Now, I don't fully disagree
with people's frustrations about the coaching staff or the GM
as far as well, why haven't they gotten the Super
Bowl yet? Because I've been in that camp of yes,
they need to start showing me something soon because it's

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been year after year and we've had the same result.
But I don't think that automatically means the GM and
head coach are not capable or it makes them bad.
I think what we need to be more mindful of
are really just like what other teams around the league
are doing at the same time when it comes to
the trade downline, when it comes to the draft, when
it comes to free agency, I think there's a warped

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view of how other teams function, when the reality is
most teams look very similar to what the Bills are
doing when it comes to roster construction in their efforts
attempts to create something viable, and they just have differing
levels of talent and the fact that they've been able
to sustain such great records for the amount of time
they have should be a testament to Brandon Bean, even
if you have knocks on him, to say that he

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is a bad GM, to say that he is awful,
I just feel like that's hyperbolic. I feel like that's
taking it a tad bit too far, and we need
to kind of again take a step back and breathe
when we evaluate this team that is currently six and two,
with a chance to further improve that record going into
the next matchup against Miami. But you know, one of
the biggest points of contention amongst the fan basis the

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trade deadline, and I have long held the stance, and
by long I mean twenty four hours, forty eight hours
whenever the trade deadline last ended. I'm losing track of
my days. Two days ago that I definitely would have
liked to have seen them made a move. I would
have liked to have seen them go for defensive line
or wide receiver. But I don't think Brandon Bean didn't
have any motivation. Like I don't think Brandon Bean didn't try.

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I think it was a matter of cap constraints, which
you can attribute to the GM. You know, contracts like
Dawson Knoxes and Curtis samuels that haven't really panned out
the way you would hope are definitely contenders for the constraint.
But even then still trying to navigate those waters and
trying to make trades that just ultimately fell through. And
the one thing I will say is it did feel
like a lot of people were really just setting themselves

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up for failure or setting themselves up for I just
wanted to make a trade for the sake of making
one when it wasn't really feasible, Like the I want
to say, three hours, everyone thought Deebo Samuel was coming
back or coming to the Bills and Von Miller was
coming back to the Buffalo Bills. That felt like moving
for the sake of motion and not because it was
actually going to make massive improvements. Von Miller would have

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actually been someone I would have been fine with getting
back just for the death in the edge room with
Hoyt getting out. But Deebo Samuel was a redundant skill set,
someone that has injury issues longer in the tooth, not
the same player. And I was looking at it kind
of scratching my head, like, sure, I'll make the most
of it because it's a new player, and you never
know what they have planned. But I also don't really
see how this is any better than what you have

(08:02):
in your receiver room now. And that's wild to say
about Debo, but like we're in twenty twenty five, he's
not a spring chicken anymore and he's not the same
player he used to be. So I kind of sit
here just like at that point, I'm glad they didn't
do anything, and I'm rather than just hold on to
the picks if the best option they had was that
package from Washington. But I'll turn it out to you, Josh,
what were your thoughts about the deadline? You know, your

(08:24):
evaluation of what didn't happen, I guess, and really what
you would have liked to see if there was anything.

Speaker 3 (08:30):
Well, I'm in lockstep with you. I definitely wanted to
see them make a move. I was very interested in
seeing them upgrade their receiving group, and I also after
the Hoite injury. I don't know how you could not
want to see them maybe make a move on defense.
But the thing I tell myself is who was the number?
Because we all look at this group of receivers for

(08:51):
the Bills and think they could really use a Batman,
they could really use like what Diggs was in twenty
twenty on the top when you put him on top
of John Brown and Beasley, and now I was like, wow,
now it all makes sense. None of those guys got moved.
I think if Chris Olave had gone for A one
or A two, or Brian Thomas Junior had gone and

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or you know, Waddle. I didn't ever think Wattle was
realistic because of who he was being traded from, but
you know, if those guys had gone, it would have
been tough to swallow. The receivers that got moved were
guys like Rashichi Heat and Jacobi Myers, who were fine players.
And rashid Chi Heat certainly has a skill set that
interested a lot of Bills fans, including me. But you're

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talking about a player who is in his latest twenties,
who has a pretty specific skill set and is on
the last year of his deal. And I don't get
the impression that the Bills were interested in burning another
third round pick for somebody to come in and play
eight games for them. I think that they wanted to
try to find some sort of long term solution. I
do think the Bills were big game hunting at the

(09:53):
trade deadline. I do think that they were taking their
swings on wherever it could be, whether that's Brian Thomas Junior,
Garrett Wilson, the name we all heard, and I just
think they came up short and how mad do I
want to be at them about that? There's not really
a trade that happened, maybe absent Shaheed that I'm like,
I wish the Bills would have done that. So now

(10:15):
am I gonna sit here and just live in a
hypothetical land like why didn't Brandon Bean call the Jaguars
and offer a first.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
In a second?

Speaker 3 (10:23):
Who's to say he didn't? And the Jaguars just said no?
So that's that's where you're just going to spin yourself
into circles. I'll trust the history of Brandon Bean, where
he's aggressive and sometimes I think almost too aggressive and
somewhat reckless.

Speaker 4 (10:38):
He gets what he wants.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
I appreciate that as somebody who can be reckless too
in some of my financial decisions in life, Like if
I want something, I usually just go get it and
figure it out later. I never think that the Bills
don't get something because that they were just sitting on
their hands.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
Yeah, that's that's valid. I think when we see a
lack of transaction as far as trade goes, we assume
amidst a lack of effort, and that's just not the case.
I mean, Brandon Bean said it himself. He was looking
and there just wasn't anything feasible. It takes two sides
to get a deal done. They were in talks or
I don't want to say in talks. They were checking
in with teams on BTJ, they were checking in with

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team the Jacobe Meyers, all these receivers that were available,
but ultimately they might have just simply gotten out bid.
At the same time, you know, Rashid Shiheed fourth and fifth,
that is a bit steep of a price when you're
considering how long you're getting Shaheed for and what his
role would potentially be, which is really just a vertical burner. Again,
I would have been one hundred percent fine with that move.
I would have liked it. I like Rashi Chih that

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campaigned for it. But they probably got beat out by
a team that might have had more assets to burn.
Maybe they went in with the fourth and Seattle was like,
we want to do the fourth and fifth, and Brandon
Bean didn't want to give up the fifth because he
needs to hold onto the picks, and people don't like
that approach, but I think we have to be more
mindful of the fact that this team is cap strapped
and again can be attributed to the GM. I think

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that is a valid criticism of him, but also these
draft picks are essential for a youth movement that has
yet to be completed. I think there's still very much
a team in transition on defense, and I think there's
still a lot more allocation to that side of the
ball that we should expect, and I think they want
to have enough bandwidth in the upcoming draft to still
be flexible and still make moves. And I think despite
this season, I look at it as was Rashid shihied,

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the difference between you winning a championship or not. Maybe
maybe not, But I'm going to push my chips into
maybe not. I don't think the gravity of that kind
of player is enough to really change the course of
this season that drastically when you consider that when the
receiving room is healthy, they already seem to have their
vertical X guy and Josh Palmer that has been called
upon and reliable before his injury. They have Dalton Kakaid,

(12:41):
who's been their upfield presence when it comes to using
tight ends in the passing game. Yes, there's uncertainty with
Kean Coleman. I definitely think you can put a question
mark over him, But Khalil Shakira is dependable. And I
think that some of the tweaks this offense can make
really stem from just internal changes in use in philosophy,
like throwing to their running backs a bit more often
in non screen or swing situations, but actually on checkdowns

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and designed routes down the field. So to me, it's like,
I don't know if I was comfortable giving up a
fourth and a fifth for nine games of a vertical
speedster that, while he could help, would he have been
the absolute difference between you winning a Super Bowl or not?
I personally don't think so, And I was okay with
not giving up that cost. And as far as Jacobe
Myers redundancy and skill set for a fourth rounder when

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you already have Josh Palmer and eventually gave Davis returning,
which people are mad that that's happening, but it's happening,
so get used to it, because he will get a
snap increase when he comes back, which is either this
week or the next. I'd assume it's just not something
I'm willing to do for me as a person watching
this team, like I'd be more comfortable with my GM
giving up a third, a second, a fourth, whatever it

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may be for something that would not only benefit me
now but also benefit me next year or maybe in
the long term. So when they were interested in guys
like BTJ and Olabe, I was all for it because
to me, that's the justification that is a player you
make that move for. There's team control, there's youth, but
also the gravity of that player. Is that true X
that you need? And the other guys on the market,

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to me, weren't true x's or ones that could alter
the landscape of this offense entirely. So it got to
a point where I was like, are we gonna make
a deal? Like who's really out there that I really
want and how worth it is? And on the defensive
side of the ball, I would have liked to see
them go for D line. I think there were D
linemen that could probably gone forward, But again we don't
know what Brandon Bean was actually trying for, and considering

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he had conversations apparently with Tennessee and within his own division.
It's very possible he checked in on Quyinnon Williams. It's
very possible he checked in on guys like Devandre sett
To and Andre Sweat and Jeffrey Simmons. We don't have
the information in front of us. I think given the
fact that he was calling around, he probably was looking
for d line helping. The price simply wasn't right or
attainable for them, So it's disappointing that they didn't come

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away with someone. Usually we have these episodes and there's
a body where we're like, oh cool, they got ross
Ouell Douglas. Oh cool, they got Nim Hines. Last year,
Oh cool, they got Amari Cooper. You know, this year,
you didn't get anybody at the deadline, and you kind
of look at it as like damn, Like that really sucks.
But I don't think it's drastically altering course either way.
I think they still have ways that they could survive
this season. I think they're still due to get healthier.

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I know we lost a couple people, but other people
are coming back, maybe as early as this week, and
I think this team still has to play their best ball,
and they're going to in the upcoming months. So yes,
it's fair to be disappointed. I get it, I understand it.
I'm not saying you're wrong for being so, But I
just don't think it means Brandon Bean is a disaster
class GM or like a pushover someone who didn't try.

(15:33):
I think it really just boils down to the price
wasn't right, and the current situation for the team is
one that didn't have the same flexibility that had last
year or maybe next year when they hit to the deadline.
So that's really all I got, Josh, any other thoughts
before we move on to our next topic.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
I would have lost my mind if the Bill is
traded for Quentin Williams, and not in a good way,
because when you look at the amount of resources this
team has sent into the defensive line in particular, and
looks like they've hit on in a big way. In
my Michael Hoyt, Who's gonna come back next year? Greg
Russeu's got a second contract. Joey Bosas somebody that I
think the Bills will probably be.

Speaker 4 (16:06):
Interested in extending this offseason.

Speaker 3 (16:08):
Deon Walker looks like a grand slam for a fourth
round pick, at Oliver's been paid, Dallas got him. Let's
just assume in this hypothetical world, but the Bills, the
Jets would have given him to the Bills for the
same price Dallas got, which was a first round pick,
a second round pick, and a player who was picked
in the first round three drafts ago or two drafts.
So if the Bills would even if you take the

(16:30):
player out of the equation, a first in a second
for a defensive tackle when Ed Oliver's coming back next year,
Deon Walker looks good and you still haven't even seen
what TJ. Sanders is, who you traded up for in
the draft, did not make sense. So that from there,
with defensive tackle, my question.

Speaker 4 (16:46):
Is what move really would have mattered.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
Harrison Phillips was a popular idea. I get it, folks.
We're gonna get day Kwon Jones back. We just got
Larry Ogan Jobie back, and TJ. Sam is a player
that the Bills thought of highly enough in April to
trade up in the second round to get. So they
have reinforcements coming, including at Oliver who could be back

(17:10):
for the playoffs. I don't know that Harrison Phillips is
a better option than what you have basically with Ogan,
Jobi Bayikwon Jones and TJ.

Speaker 4 (17:18):
Sanders.

Speaker 3 (17:19):
And I would not want to see Harrison Phillips taking
snaps away from TJ. Sanders because, as we've seen recently
with Cole Bishop, sometimes all these guys need is reps
and experience, and you never know what they're going to be.
There's a lot of fans that have already made up
their mind on TJ. Sanders, by the way, Joe speaking
of oh.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
I know, I know, and again like if you can
give grace to guys like Cole Bishop or guys like
Dion Walker as far as their development curving, TJ. Sanders
deserves the same grace like Dial Walker's ascension to his position.
Now it's awesome. I'm so happy to see it, and
I love the player. Last year, it was skeptical when
they drafted him because I'm like, he had a down year.

(17:56):
Is this going to be something where it's like it's
a real big project. Might take him a couple of years,
might even still be that way, like we might just
be seeing flashes. But he's been really, really good the
past couple of games in his role. He's been able
to be kind of a like a like a two
gaping solid double team eater, which they've really needed, and
it's so refreshing. But that's not always the norm with rookies.

(18:18):
And again, like if you came to the show expecting hyperbole,
I don't buy into that. Like it's the un sexy
answer of development is not linear. That's the same thing
to be said for TJ. Sanders. People are writing them
off way too quickly. They're calling him a bus they're
calling him at a wash, they're calling it the next
John McCargo To Kyle Williams, I think Dion Walker's ascension
might help TJ. Sanders because now that there is that

(18:39):
true too gapping again double team eating one tech on
this roster that seems to be holding himself really well
and really just like controlling the point of attack more
consistently using his power moving offensive lineman. I think that's
going to help TJ. Sanders when he comes into those
rotational roles, especially considering how much better this defense has
played over the past couple of weeks, where there up

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in more true passing downs, more true pass rush situations
where TJ. Sanders can just let loose. I mean if
you get TJ. Sanders in his situation where he's gonna
be able to rush the passer and exclusively rush the
passer he's gonna eat, and that's tangible. Based off this
past season alone, there have been numerous moments where he
has generated pressure. He was before his injury one of
the highest interior defensive lineman at least rookies that was

(19:22):
generating pressure. It's I feel like if the jury is
so out on him or not out on him, and
people really need to be patient, but they can't be
patient because again with the suspensions we had to deal
with and the injuries we had to deal with, rookie
growing pains were way more obvious and way more apparent
than they would be if you had the buffer of death.
But now I think they're going to have the buffer

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of death or a guy like TJ. Sanders put him
in a better position where Daikwon Jones could still get
three tech reps as well. Ogan Joey gets those three
tech reps, you have your backup one text if you
need them, and then you just go from there. But
I think it's all to say, like you can't really
write him off. And as far as the defensive line conversation.
One more would have been fin by me, whether it
was your conventional nose tackle, whether it was a free attack,

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only just to have the depth in the room, the
kind of insurance that would have been fine by me.
I think I would have liked to see them try
for gop for an edge rusher as well. I don't
know if they tried. And that's the thing. I don't
know if they tried, and that's where it's at. So
we're talking about an ambiguous conversation based off Brandon Bean's
word that he tried and just didn't get anything done.
It's disappointing, I guess, but that's the world we live in,

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and I don't think again it's going to alter the
course too much. So that's the trade deadline or lack thereof,
if you want to call it that.

Speaker 3 (20:30):
But one thing I want to say on TJ. Sanders,
and this is just a thought I've had. I could
be dead wrong. The Michael hoyt roll seemed very specific
in the Kansas City game and it was an interior disruptor.

Speaker 4 (20:43):
I wonder Joe people you don't think about it like this,
because quite such a versatile guy.

Speaker 3 (20:48):
He and Sanders are almost the exact same size. I
wonder if Sean McDermott and Bobby Babbage just simplify it
for him and say, this is your job the rest
of the year be a disruptor in these situations, because
that's basically what Hoyt was against the Chiefs, a disruptor,
and I thought I thought Solomon looked decent in that

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role too.

Speaker 4 (21:10):
But I do wonder some of the answers they have
in house.

Speaker 3 (21:13):
We still don't know about Landon Jacksons, an unscratched little
ticket at this point, and so I think there are
still some options for the Bills to get better at
positions that we wish they would have traded.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
And I think that's valid because without Hoyt, who does
fill in that role, and they have given it to
Javon Solomon and they have given Dorian Williams some shine there.
But when you have TJ. Sanders, at least this season,
I think him and Ogunjobi will be their primary three
at tech On, however they conventionally use them. But in
coming seasons, when you have had Oliver back and you
have Michael Hoyt back, like, is TJ. Sanders going to

(21:43):
often fill in that role too, even when you have Hoyd,
if you need to give some sort of rotation, if
you need to give him a breather, like, how do
they align him. I think that's what the Bills want,
is that versatility from every lineman to some degree. So
it wouldn't shock me at all if T. J. Sanders
is getting run there immediately this season and even next season,
even with back. I think it's very possible that they
just want pass rushers, disruptors, have a creators from really

(22:06):
any point of attack on the defensive line, and Sanders
has that skill set. Sanders is a in my opinion,
very good pass rushing defensive tackle. The run defense has
to improve, but that was expected. That's the type of
player he is, that's the type of frame he has.
I was not expecting that to be perfect. But I
really think the violence in the way he rushes a passer,
whether it's his bull rush, whether it's using his hands,
I do think that's there. I do think he's had

(22:27):
success with it, and I do think if the role
is simplified to true pass rushing downs, he is going
to be able to do quite well there. And I'm
very excited to get him back. So it's a good
point you bring up, and it really sucks that we
have to talk about replacing Hoyt's role. And it really
sucks because the evaluation of this signing now has an
injury played over it, which seems to happen to every
Brandon Being defensive line signing. And that is not me

(22:50):
knocking the GM. It is just terrible luck. Like it is.
We just have to be honest. Like the von Miller signing,
I saw someone tweet about how, like Joey Boss, everything
they want of Miller to me, if you're talking like
staying healthy and rushing the passer, Yeah, that's true. But
also bon Miller was really freaking good and then had
a freak acl injury. So like, I feel like, there's

(23:12):
just so many situations where this guy has the right
idea for what he wants to build in the defensive line,
and some bad luck happens. And you're seeing it this
season at Oliver Phantom injury in the practice. In a
practice he gets his footstep done and he has to
miss four games. He comes back, heere's his bicep. So
it's like, great, well that sucks. Michael Hoyt six games
suspension that he wasn't privy to pun intended before he

(23:34):
signed him. He comes in, guess what second game Achilles injury? Like,
you can't write this stuff, and I can't blame the
GM for freak injuries happening for players that didn't have
that history or didn't have history of that specific injury.
It just happens sometimes, man, and it's bad luck. So
I mean, I hope Hoyt heels up. I was so
excited to watch him. He was awesome for the I

(23:54):
guess game in seventy five percent of the second game
he played, And I think when he comes back, he's
going to bring that force again. But I do want
to just look back on this Kansas City game one
more time, yeah, before we move on to Miami. Because
a lot to love about it both sides of the ball.
But what I really loved, probably my number one thing,
was I guess on each side the Ball'll give you

(24:15):
my number one thing on each side of the ball.
On offense, it was the ability to not really miss
a beat in your passing attack. Yes, there were some
stall drives, but they still had a lot of success,
and they did it without Josh Palmer in the receiving
game and kind of offset that loss by using thirteen
personnel and their tight ends down the field and having
a lot of success in the manipulation of are they running,
are they passing? How do we take advantage of the

(24:37):
vacated space? If they stacked the box by putting our
tight ends behind them, they had a lot of success
doing so. And I think some of their ancillary wide
receivers and Elijah Moore and you saw a little bit
from well ancillary Khoil Shakerre's really their mainstay, had a
lot of success in this game. I thought they took
advantage of how pressure heavy Kansas City was trying to be,
how disruptive they're trying to be, and manipulated again the

(24:58):
vacated points where they could get a receiver be behind
them and get some extra yards. And on defense, pass
coverage was tremendous most of the game. There were blips
like I'm not going to absolve the fourth and seventeen blunder,
I'm not going to absolve some of the long passing
that they did have. There were a couple moments where
even for as bad of a game Mahomes played, he
still made him a homes throw where you just tip
your cap and move on. It was a complete game,

(25:20):
and I think that's what I liked the most about it,
because for many weeks we had been questioning whether the
Bills were capable of putting it all together. That to
me was even though they won forty to nine the
week previous, you could argue the passing offense wasn't really clicking.
Every phase of the Bills in this game, even down
to the returning game, which I thought was better, was
clicking and was successful. And I love to see it.

(25:43):
I want to know your thoughts on this, Josh, what
do you think about this game?

Speaker 3 (25:46):
So Luca and I do a postgame show after every
game and it comes out Monday morning, and one of
the first things I said to Luca was, this is
the first time this year that I feel like this
team can win the Super Bowl. And no, it's not
the you know, national opinion of Bills that being the
Chiefs in the regular season is our super Bowl. Bill's
fans realized that the record here of we beat them
in the regular season, they beat us in the playoffs

(26:08):
like that. But it's not guaranteed to happen every time.
But it was the way it happened, to your point,
because this defense has been so leaky all season long,
and one of those injuries, those freak injuries that you
didn't even get to mention, was Maxwell Harriston. He was
a guy that was drafted to give this defense coverage flexibility.
The goal coming into this season was Maxwell Harriston and

(26:31):
Cole Bishop to be starters and for them to be
able to get back to a lot of the pre
snap post snap confusion they used to do with Heidenployer
and also mix in man coverage with their cornerbacks. And
Max Harriston got hurt and Tredevius White at this point
in his career, is just not capable of doing that.
And nobody, I don't care who you are, could have
seen the drop off of Taylor rap coming.

Speaker 4 (26:52):
It was.

Speaker 3 (26:53):
I hope it's an injury, because I've never seen a
drop off like that, getting him, getting him off the
field for a washed up Jordan Poyer who looked pretty
good by the way, yeah, and just getting anybody else
out there and getting Max Harrison out there gave us
a look at this new Bills defense. And I'm excited
about the coverage and you know, It's funny because I

(27:15):
come out of that game and my two biggest concerns
are like, can we get Shack Thompson back?

Speaker 4 (27:19):
Because Milano and Bernard are.

Speaker 3 (27:21):
Like the two pieces on this defense I'm still kind
of about And boy, if you told me a month
ago that Milano and Bernardo be my main concern. Yeah,
and my guy cam Lewis played a fantastic game.

Speaker 4 (27:31):
I love to see that.

Speaker 3 (27:33):
And then yeah, offensively, there's so much I want to say,
but I know it's a short show.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
Oh no, please.

Speaker 3 (27:41):
I'm excited about Joshua Palmer coming back for their thirteen
personnel package because I do think he is going to
give them so much more versatility as the solo wide receiver.

Speaker 4 (27:49):
And I was not the biggest Joshua.

Speaker 3 (27:51):
Palmer guy, but to me, he's the most well routed
receiver on this roster when it comes to run blocking,
beating man coverage, and getting deep. It requires defenses to
respect the Bills that way, but to kind of wrap
up and pull in the trade deadline conversation. You see
those grafts on Twitter, just like I do. It's like
offenses EPA elite offenses. The Bills are always in the

(28:15):
elite quadrant of those grafts. They are an elite offense.
The problem is they're not elite in a lot in
the way that a lot of us envisioned it being.
When we realize Josh Allen was an alien on his
way to a Hall of Fame career, we expected it
to just be aired out all over everybody and be
elite that way. They are elite at running the ball,

(28:36):
and Joe Marino has said it time and time again
when they go heavy personnel, when they go big people,
thirteen personnel, even they are an impossible matchup because they
have three tight ends who can block and also get
behind you. They also have a running back whose vision
has gotten so much better since when he was drafted,
and they ran at will against one of the best

(28:59):
run defenses the sport last week.

Speaker 4 (29:01):
They are a tough matchup for anybody.

Speaker 3 (29:04):
It just isn't the way that you'd envision it when
you think about a Josh Allen team. When you're thinking, oh,
three or four wide receivers, let's Joe Burrow, this the
t Higgins and Jamar Chase. No, they're a tough matchup,
but it's it's just the receivers aren't sexy. But if
you look at the rest of the offense, offensive line,
elite running back. If you don't think he's elite, he's
right next to elite quarterback, elite fullback. He's getting all

(29:28):
Pro recognition already. They're elite everywhere. I'd say they have
one of the best tight end rooms in the sport.
It's just the wide receiver room has everybody thinking that
the offense is lacking.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
Yeah, it's not lacking. I think if you want to
argue about the wide receiver room in a vacuum, that's fine.
But I've often said that you can evaluate this Bills
offense based on its wide receiver room alone, because it's
disingenuous to their philosophy. They run the ball, they use
their tight ends, and they use their running backs all
the same as pass catchers, and with proper manipulation and scheping,

(30:00):
you can get these guys really really humming and going.
I think one of my critiques of Joe Brady this
year has been James Cook is a pass catcher not
being used enough. I often wonder if that is by
design for right now to open that up later in
the year, which I know a lot of people can
call cope, but I kind of think it is a
real thing considering how frequently they were using him last
year to this year and why it changed, which there

(30:22):
were some defensive changes from teams like the meshrail getting
covered which used to be their bread and butter. But
I still think it's in the hole for them. But
I love that you bring up the thirteen personnel again too, because,
like and shout out to Max Toscana, who I talked
to on Twitter today who kind of brought it up,
it is something of a staple in Sean mcvay's offense too.
It's a method that they used to galvanize their passing
offense because when you have three capable pass catching tight

(30:44):
ends paired with a really good separating receiver and a
respectable rushing offense, that puts defenses in a major conflict
because ultimately, anyone can get the ball, but you have
to guess right in real time because if you don't,
there's the opportunity for a big play. Mainly because if
you see thirteen personnel and you're seeing physical, heavy bodies,
oftentimes you want to stack the box and go physical

(31:06):
right back and match personnel. It's not a guarantee, but
it does happen. I think in turn, the Bills want
you to come down and try to stack the box
on James Cook. One because James Cook runs really well
against stack boxes. But two, now, if you send extra
bodies and we ball fake Josh Palmer, Dalton Kincaid, Dalton Knox,
even Jackson Hawes all capable of getting open behind you,

(31:28):
all capable of taking advantage of the vacated space and
burning you for big plays, which is what happened numerous
times in this Kansas City game. People appointed this out
times over. I want to say it on my show,
Josh Allen had two touchdown passes, or I want to
say two touchdown passes. He had two explosive passes available
to him at the same time in the same quadrant
of the field on that one play action shot towards

(31:48):
the end of the first half. That should not happen,
but it does because they called the defense in such
a bind and they're showing that they are not afraid
to send their tight ends deep, which I think is
a huge, huge wrinkle. And it's one of the things
where when I was coming from before with the trade
deadline conversation, like I said, of course, I would have
liked to see them get a flashy receiver, but I

(32:08):
think they have enough wrinkles in their arsenal to still
be viable and still have explosives even in the playoffs.
Like not in a fluky fashion. They're not going to
stop running thirteen personnel if they have their if they
have the personnel present to them, they're going to continue
to run it. They're going to continue to run wrinkles
with it. They'll keep running play action out of it,
and as long as it holds up, they're still going

(32:29):
to have success. And people can look at the play
action rate in the Atlanta game and say, well, they
didn't really have success there. Well, yeah, they didn't have
Josh Palmer for most of the game, and they didn't
have Dalton Kinkaid. It limited them a lot more. They
weren't prepared to lose Palmer mid game. He was obviously
going to be a focal part of the game plan.
I think that that alone should make you really optimistic
for this Bill's offense that I still don't think has

(32:50):
reached its full potential. I think if we're getting the
Josh we saw in that Kansas City game, who was confident,
dialed in, happily married, really focused on football. I believe
I even had to bring that up in the beginning
of the show, Josh, like that's so insane. But like
that version of Josh Allen with like the wrinkles that
they can introduce in this offense, I think you're in

(33:10):
for a real treat if you're a Bills fan watching
the passing attack, and I think they have an opportunity
to really do that this upcoming week. I want to
pivot to the Miami talk before we do, Josh, any
final thoughts on the Kansas City game that you want
to bring up before we put a ball on it.

Speaker 4 (33:23):
Just real quick, you said, cope.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
And I know people think, like, oh, they're not holding
anything for the playoffs. Good teams do that, and I
think one of the criticisms of the Bills in recent
years is they haven't done that. They have kind of,
you know, let it all out there in games against
the Chiefs in the regular season, and then you go
into a game against the Chiefs in the playoffs and
you see those wrinkles in live time that you didn't

(33:45):
see in the regular season. Yeah, I hope the Bills
are holding that because there are just you and I
can sit here and say, Wow, James Cook can run
routes like a wide receiver.

Speaker 4 (33:55):
This is something. Why aren't they using it?

Speaker 3 (33:57):
And we've seen it before where they don't run Josh
Allen much during the regular season, and then in the
playoffs there's designed runs.

Speaker 4 (34:02):
There's still a lot they can unpack. But I'm with you.

Speaker 3 (34:06):
I think that there might even be something to Dalton
and Kaid's snap count being down beyond the oblique injury.
I think that's a player that they don't necessarily want
to give defenses a whole lot of tendency vision at
because he is the ultimate mismatch in that mismatch personnel
package of thirteen personnel.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
Yep, Yeah, absolutely, because he's a good enough receiver to
really take advantage of it. And I love that about it,
and I'm very pleased because I was a skeptic of
Dalton cagate after last year. I think a lot of
people became that I saw the potential rookie year, but
last year I was like, damn, like, I don't know
if this is the right fit for this kind of offense.
But they found a way to use him, and that
way to use him is just get another really good
blocking tight end and just take that off his plate.

(34:47):
But it does limit him a little bit. So do
they ramp up the snap count knowing that that would
mean that he's going to have to take place, whether
it's more thirteen personnel or whether that's eleven personnel with him.
Is the feature tight end Kenny handled that responsibility. That's
what I want to see because if they can up
that snapcount for Dalton Kincaid successfully where it's not limiting them,
where they're not having any sort of deficiencies in the

(35:09):
rushing attack, where they can still keep a viable passing offense,
I mean that might be the secret souls That might
be the change in itself is just being able to
sustain with one of your best weapons on the field,
especially in packages where you have other true separators going Like,
I want to see them do that a bit more.
But you're one hundred percent right. People, teams, coaches, they

(35:29):
keep things in the arsenal, and you could argue Kansas
City has done this every year. I mean, the one
thing that I feel like, and I have to go
back and watch it again, it felt like Kansas City
didn't really throw the RPO as much as the Bill
as much in this game as they did in the
AFC Championship game. I think that the Bills took the
bait on that in the AAFC Championship Game heavy. I
wonder though, if they might respect the speed in athleticism

(35:50):
a bit more and the discipline of the secondary guys
like Cole Bishop and Harston a little bit more this
time around, where they don't feel it would be as
effective because they're breaking on routes a bit easier and
not taking the chief But we'll see about that. But
the Chiefs do do that. A lot of teams do that,
so it's okay to say they might keep something in
their pocket for later in the year, especially when the
team is six and two and still winning games. It's

(36:12):
just to me like it's a great luxury to have
when you have a good team. And I think there's
a lot more meat on the bone for this offense
that they're going to see. I think you can see
it as early as December. Maybe if the next matchup
against New England proves to be similar to twenty twenty
one where that has division implications, they might throw it.
But I really don't think this is the best version
of the Bills offense or defense that you're gonna see
this year. So I really do like that point, Josh,

(36:34):
and I want to move on to our matchup because
that's happening in just a couple of days, and I'm
quite excited for it because it's a chance to another
AFC win under your belt, another sweep of Miami. I'll
never sleep on the Dolphins. I think that they as
a unit in philosophy, do match up well with the Bills.
I do think this time around, not having Tyreek Hill
is obviously a very massive blow and difference when it

(36:57):
comes to how you defend the Dolphins passing attack, and
basically saying we can bracket Jalen Waddle and try to
get guys like the leak Washington to beat us, which
is still possible, and also maybe lock in a bit
more on devon a chan where we could stack some
boxes and try to have some bodies ready for those
perimeter runs. But I just want to read some stats first.
If we're starting with the Bills offense to date this season,
on offense, they're currently tallying second in EPA per play

(37:19):
with a point one three they're eighth and passing EPA
per play at point one three and second in rushing
point one three. I might actually have copied and pasted
that wrong. I'm gonna double check that momentarily. Might have
to reread the stats. On defense, the Bills moved all
the way up to tenth and EPA per play, as
they're generating a minus zero point zero eight total their
fourth and passing EPA per play on defense minus zero

(37:41):
point one five. But they're still sitting at twenty second
in rushing at zero point zero zero. Now Miami is
essentially the contrast to all of these stats on offense,
which is I mean Tyreek Hill being out for the
year definitely affects this number. They're twenty six and EPO
per play generating minus zero point one zero. They're twenty
third in passing EPA or play at minus zero point

(38:01):
one zero, and twenty fifth and rushing at minus zero
point zero nine, numbers who were not expecting from Miami
going into this zero fully healthy. On defense, it's actually worse.
Twenty ninth and EPA per play. They're giving up a
positive point oh eight. They're twenty ninth in passing positive
point one five and twenty third in rushing at zero
point zero zero. Josh's numbers do not favor Miami and

(38:23):
the slightest they did just move Jalen Phillips. However, they
did keep some of their larger players. Make a Fitzpatrick
is still there, Bradley Chubb. It doesn't look like Chop
Robinson at least as of today, is going to be
playing due to a concussion. We'll see if that changes,
but if he doesn't play, that's a pretty big blow.
And on offense again, no Tyreek Hill, no Darren Waller.
You're looking at a pretty depleted room with Jalen Wattle

(38:45):
being the centerpiece who was very good. I would call
him a league player, but that's that's their bread and butter,
with Hn being the other bread and butter. And I
feel like they're just a team that is really dealing
with the injury buck all the same, but super limited,
and I think that's affected to us play. You could
see it in the Baltimore game where they kept the
game close but just couldn't sustain. What are your thoughts

(39:06):
on the Dolphins matchup coming up, differences from the last
matchup to now and things you're really looking to say, well, you.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
Said you wouldn't sleep on the Dolphins, and I wanted
to be a jerk and just went, no, that's that's
where I'm at. I think this team, I mean, and
not really for any fault of their own. They are
they have one foot in the grave, and they were
not a deep team to begin with. They they probably were,
I would say in June, one of the worst cornerback

(39:32):
rooms in the sport. Since then, they lost Jalen Ramsey
via trade, cater Coohu to an injury. They've lost Storm
Duck who was their best cornerback, which.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
They also sorry to cut you off. Might not have
Russell Douglas in this game either.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
He hasn't practiced today or yesterday, so they are down
to practice squad cornerbacks. They have a cornerback named Ethan Bonner,
which will get Josh Allen to do a milk check
at the line of screw mijipe, know what that is.

Speaker 4 (40:02):
But and then you mentioned it too.

Speaker 3 (40:05):
They trade away Phillips and their other pass rusher, Chop
Robinson is probably not going to play with an injury,
so they're not going to get a pass rush. They're
not going to be able to cover this is not
a good football team. This really is the ultimate get
right spot for the Bills offense. Not that they need
to get right, we just talked about it. But I
have a sneaky suspension if we want to start maybe

(40:26):
Bill's offense against Dolphins defense. I have a sneaky suspicion
the Bills might try to get right with their receivers
this week, because this is as good of a matchup
as you could ask for at the NFL level as
a as a receiver going against this secondary, no no
problem with josh Allen having time against this defensive line.

Speaker 4 (40:44):
I could see them trying to get Kean Coleman going.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
I could see them trying to get I have a
sneaky suspicion They're going to try to get Elijah Moore
and Curtis Samuel Moore involved. Curious if Jordan Palmer or
Jordan Palmer Joshua Palmer plays, what what that looks like.
But I could see the Bills trying to get their
passing game going this week because truly, when you look
at that last game they played, the Bills went up
and down the field on them until Crater missed a

(41:08):
field goal, and then it was like momentum shifted and
they couldn't stop the Dolphins at that point. And I'm
not expecting a close game. I'm not expecting a competitive game.
I think the Bills are going to go down there
and handle business pretty sound.

Speaker 1 (41:22):
Yeah. I don't give score predictions, but what I will
say is when you look at this Miami defense, it's depleted.
They do still have talent. You know, it's worth noting
that Zach Steeler Bradley Chubb will still be playing. I
really like the linebacking corp of Brooks and Dodson. Dotson
I think has played well for them, but it feels
like their secondary is just so barren. And you know,

(41:43):
Minka is a bit older now. A lot of people
are really not optimistic that he'll ever become the player
he once was when he was originally in Miami and
then eventually on the Steelers, and it feels like he's
on a lonely island out there where you're talking about
corners around him that just can't sustain for the of
a game. To a point where I do agree with you,
I think this is a heavy eleven. They're going to

(42:05):
run eleven p primarily anyways, But I think this is
probably like one of the largest uptics of it you've
seen in weeks, where they do try to get these
receivers involved, and they true do try to get more creative,
and whether that's just asking Keon Coleman to just navigate
the zone and trying to prioritize him getting if they
get Josh Palmer back, asking him to just get right
with a few downfield reps. I think that this is

(42:25):
a game that they are going to try and have
these players get back into a rhythm to prove that
they can do it. More so because if you have
a heavy receiver game, open up the threat and make
a defense respect that these guys do still have the
capability to put points on you or to point explosives
on you. But even more so, it sets up the
other wrinkles you have well in your offense too. If
you want to talk about, well thirteen personnel might get

(42:46):
snuffed out because it's their bread and butter. Well, if
they don't run it to the same degree in this
game because they don't feel they need to. Maybe a
team doesn't see it as it's the only thing they
can do and it puts them in a box. But
rather Okay, we do have to keep in mind that
if they come out in eleven and they have Kean
Coleman in this certain alignment, like we got to get
a guy for that, and you never know what that
opens up down the road for Joe Brady. So I

(43:08):
like the matchup on offense versus defense. I think that
this is going to be a game where they're going
to put the ball through the air, not a substantial
amount because they're rushing defense is also pretty poor. They
can get moved around. Not having chop and probably having
to have judon four to fy the edge for you
is a bit of a problem considering Judans longer in

(43:28):
the tooth as well. I don't foresee it being a
very great rushing game for the Miami Dolphins defense, and
I think the Bills can take advantage of that as
long as they are able to start fast. But even
if they weren't, I still think the Bills can break
through the well and get going as long as they
stick with their identity and don't fear running the ball
because maybe they're down by three or seven or something
along those lines. If they stick with their identity, I

(43:50):
think they're going to exploit this rushing defense and have
a lot of success on the ground, and if they do,
I have a lot of confidence that they would win
this game, because then you're going to see them really
things up in the air, and I think that would
include a lot of play action, maybe in thirteen, but
maybe out of eleven to two, a lot of opportunity
for guys like Shakir and Palmer to just generate explosives
and move the ball on the ground. It's just gonna

(44:12):
be too hard for it to really deplete. It an
injury ridden defense to handle. And again, like it's one
thing to not have Ramsey anymore, but to lose the
backups to the backups and then have Russell Douglas be
your primary guy and he's hurt, and then to have
Jack Jones be like their CV one, which is like, again,
we're years past the margin where that was really a
true thing. He can be serviceable. It just doesn't feel

(44:34):
like a favorable matchup for them, So I think it's
it's fair for fans to be confident. I just never
sleep on Miami because I think the speed component will
just give any defense fits at some point in the game.
It can be frustrating and when you watch them against
the Ravens, they did move the ball, they just couldn't
finish drives. And that's the Bill's m to a t.
So if you think Sean McDermott is going to just

(44:54):
be in the ben don't break mindset because he thinks
they can exploit that defense, then you could expect them
to move the ball, but out with any ending success
and probably putting up field goals more than they would
put up touchdowns. And again that bracket coverage for the
Bills defense, potentially we can get into that a little more.
I do want to talk about their defense, but any
final thoughts on offense versus defense Bills attacking this Miami defense.

Speaker 3 (45:15):
No, and if just if you want to have perspective
on what the Dolphins are down to at cornerback, just
it would be like if the Bills had to go
start this game with JaMarcus Ingram and to Corey Couch,
that's that's where they're at.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
So it's just a perspective and JaMarcus Ingram in the
secondary I think could be you could probably argue in
this game maybe a CB two, it's really tough for them.
And again, like at full health, I think this defense
has dudes like I do. I think they're still going
to work on their secondary heavy in the offseason. But
I really like the Miami Dolphin front seven. I liked
it a lot more when they had Jalen Phillips, but

(45:47):
I think Chop Robinson is an emerging pass rusher. I've
always liked Zack Steeler in the interior. If they did
draft Kenneth Grant grants it. It hasn't been no pun intended.
It hasn't been the best rookie season for him, but
a lot of people speculated that he might need some
time to develop in the league. Like Yarrow, work in progress.
But I did like the pieces, But when you deal
with the depleted secondary, there's really only so much you
could do before it starts getting exposed. And the numbers

(46:07):
reflect that. It's been a tough sledding for the Miami
Dolphins defense, and I hope the Bills can exploit that
on Sunday. But reversing it a bit, Bill's defense got
some key names back at practice today. When you're talking
about Taron Johnson talking about Joey Bosa practicing, I would
say it's a good chance that they play, but we'll see.
But I gotta say, even without them, like you saw

(46:28):
cam Lewis hold it down for a game, I think
cam Lewis is more than capable to slot into that
nickel role if they need him to. I really like
that they.

Speaker 4 (46:37):
Joey, you're on.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
I didn't even notice that one. I did not even
notice that one. Thank you for catching it. I appreciate it.
You have cam Louis filling into that role. I like
introducing Jordan Hancock into the safety role as well as
kind of being that chess piece, like a positionless guy.
If you need him to be, I think the role
would expand for him more. But it seems like given
the way he was moving in practice today and divisional game,

(46:58):
they'll get Taron Johnson back for this one, and I
think Bosa should play. Maybe not. Aj Epanessa seems like
he's dealing with the concussion. I didn't even know that
was happening. We'll see what happens with him. But despite
the injuries, I feel like this defense has really good
odds going into this game. Again, I'm not gonna deny
that Devon Chan and Jalen Wattle will get there, as
they're elite players. They're targeted heavily. They're gonna win downfield.

(47:22):
It's gonna happen. Explosives will happen. It wouldn't even shock
me if Wattle had one hundred yard game. You know,
that's just the nature of the Miami offense. They will
feed him, but I feel like they have to have
their ancillary pieces prove that they need to respect anything
that isn't Jalen Waddle in the passing offense where they
don't have to sell out to double them up. I
like Malik Washington a lot. I think Malak Washington could

(47:44):
be a successful player in this league. I love the
speed element. I wanted the Bills to draft him because
thought they could use him as a burner. I think
he's been productive, but not effective enough where you have
to command the gravity of a defense, and with a
Chan it's kind of the same thing where I think
he's an elite player. But if they sell out to
stop Achan, whether that's selling out on all perimeter runs,
which the Bills have done a pretty good job of

(48:04):
and really taking things away, penetrating up front and clogging
the middle lanes, which now you have Dean Walker playing
on a higher, better tick than he was when they
last matched up, Like, what does it look like for
Miami if you really shuck down a rushing attack that
has also struggled a bit this year, even with the
healthy hn. I mean, I feel like it's not favoring Miami.
I'm not gonna say Miami won't do anything on the

(48:25):
ground or in the air, but they have more to
prove in this game than they would have, like the
benefit of the doubt, that they can get things done
and hand the Bills a lot of fits like they
did last season. What do you think about that, Josh,
I'm interested.

Speaker 3 (48:39):
So I think there's a lot of similarities between this
matchup and the Falcons matchup. This is I mean, they're
not the Falcons. They beat the Falcons, but.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
They did beat the Falcons.

Speaker 4 (48:47):
Yes, they're not the Falcons.

Speaker 3 (48:49):
And what I mean by that is when we went
into that Falcons matchup, it was Okay, well, you know
where the ball is going. It's going to be Jean Robinson,
It's going to be Drake London. Yeah, don't let those
guys beat you. And Holy Counted Bills fill that test.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
Guys.

Speaker 4 (49:02):
Both of those guys.

Speaker 3 (49:03):
One carriage, one their fantasy managers, whatever, matchup they were
in that week. So I think this is a good
opportunity for the Bills defense to kind of, you know,
right or wrong from weeks past, where okay, it's not complicated,
the ball's going to a chan, the ball's going to waddle.
Waller's not even playing was he was getting some run.

(49:24):
But now at this point you don't really have to
overthink where it's going. And I wouldn't expect the Bills
to have to sell out to stop eight chn because
his offensive line will probably take care of that for him.
He is a very bad offensive line. One thing they've
been doing a little bit more recently is kind of
copycatting of the Bills from last year with Alec Anderson.
They have a tackle Daniel Brunskill that they bring in

(49:46):
as a sixth offensive lineman at times, and you'll see
them come out and run heavy. So that'll force the
Bills into some three linebacker sets.

Speaker 4 (49:53):
That's okay.

Speaker 3 (49:54):
I don't know that this team really has enough or
what it takes to stress this Bill's defense. Honestly, I
didn't see a ton of the Falcons Dolphins game, but
my guess is it's just unfamiliarity with Tua and McDaniel
and how quick too is it get ring on the
rid of the ball. The Bills have seen everything Tua
can do when he had good weapons. I just think,

(50:16):
like you said, there's probably not gonna be any Benford, Yeah,
and Ajpanessa. I went back because you're right. There was
no reporting of his concussion. He did interviews after the game,
so that means he wasn't in protocol then, so that
means either self reported symptoms on Monday, which it must
have been because he didn't even get a limited practice

(50:37):
on Monday, so it's not like it happened in practice.

Speaker 4 (50:39):
It seems like he's tracking to being out.

Speaker 3 (50:42):
I hate to say it like this because I got
a lot of blowback on Twitter. Anybody that's close sit
that's where I'm at, like Taron Johnson, sit, Christian Benford, sit,
Joey Bosa of.

Speaker 1 (50:55):
All people, bubble wrap.

Speaker 3 (50:58):
Yeah, we need you for the big games and the playoffs,
Like this is not a spot to prove that you
can play through a wrist injury against a Dolphins team
that they already fired its GM and lost a bunch
of its bad plays, like a.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
Rist injury that he's been nursing for like two games too. Yeah,
like we know, like I remember, I think it was
BANGEDA Bill's posted something where he was holding it like
signaled that he was good and he's played through it,
so I mean it has to be just more of
the nagging one that they gave him rest for. But
it's so funny because like this is the game that
you'd argue, like they should sit these players because they're
playing that the Buccaneers the following week, an NFC team,

(51:33):
where you're kind of like, oh, it's NFC, Like it's
kind of a throw this is an AFC game. But
it's like you feel that, you know, that confident that
they should rest these guys, And honestly, I'm in a
similar boat. I just have a lot of faith in
the way this Bill's defense has played, even with injury
the past couple of weeks, to the point where like
they're not the same team, they don't have the same
exact philosophy, but if they can handle the Kansas City
Chiefs offense that was fully equipped without Isaiah Pachecko. Sure,

(51:56):
Isaiah Pachecko was not having a great season on the ground.
He was a very limited runner, his field vision was
not good Kareem Hunt was the better of the two runners.
Kareem Hunt actually ran the ball well at points in
this game, but still having Rashie Rice, still having Xavier Worthy,
Travis Kelce, Taekwon Thornton, Juju Smith Schuster, and they still
handle them pretty well with a few blemishes. I feel
like you're facing a less capable offense right now with

(52:19):
kind of the same degree of injury to a point
where like if you got if someone's a fringe guy,
I am comfortable letting him said. I think cam Lewis
can hang in a game like this where they don't
have to worry about Tyreek Hill and Darren Waller and
are just worrying about Jaylen Waddle and the leak Washington
as the primary two. Where yes, again, other players can
get open, other players can get you. It's not impossible
to say that maybe Westbrook and Kine is going to

(52:40):
get his run this game, but like, I feel better
with my odds against that matchup. And when you talk
about the secondary noe, Benford, sure, Trey White's been capable
this year. Trey White has not been amazing. He hasn't
been downright bad. He's been perfectly fine, which is what
you expect from a thirty year old corner coming off
two major injuries, and Max Harriston has given you every
assailable reason to think that he can handle cornerback one

(53:01):
responsibility considering that he looks knock on wood. Hang on
one second.

Speaker 4 (53:06):
Sorry, Joe's going to knock on something.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
I just knocked on wood. He looks healthy, and he
looks fast, and he looks very sound and coverage not rattled,
and you are seeing that closing speed in effect, where
even if he has to go toe to toe with
the speedy receiver, he walks them up. I think they
might even feel comfortable with hairstin one on one against
Wattle in this game. And let me tell you something.
If Max Harston mans up Wattle and blankets and shuts

(53:32):
him down step for step and any reps, this fan
base is going to go nuclear in the best way possible.
And I'm rooting for that because that would be fun.
We can have fun conversations on Twitter and not bad
ones and dumb ones. So I think that is possible.
I do think that this defense can afford to lose
some players. What I'm really interested to watch on the
defensive line, I think Bosa will probably play, considering he's

(53:54):
played through his injury. Maybe not, Apanessa. Let's see what
Landon Jackson's got in a more increased role. I think
this is a great opportunity for him. Has even good
I would say no. I think he's still very much developing.
He was a tracy prospect guy they gott in the
third round. The urgency for him, I get it, third
round pick, it's not nothing. But I feel like people

(54:15):
talk about Landon Jackson his inactivity as if he was
a first rounder and have this kind of like same
thing when we were talking about t J. Sanders, like
the jury's out on him, he sucks. It's like, I
think he just got to be patient, Like remember Terrell
Bernard's first year where he barely played and was mostly
a special teamer or game day inactive. Like sometimes your
third rounders just got to get NFL acclimated. It might
take time. There were moments in the preseason where land

(54:37):
and Jackson looked good, and in the regular season he's
still putting it together. But maybe this week there's more
of an emphasis on you are starting, you are going
to take this role we're putting you in for run defense.
Reps just show us that you're sound. I'm excited to
watch him. I think this is a big opportunity for
him to quell some of the fans worry. Play a
decent enough game. Maybe show off pass rush shops. If

(54:58):
they do decide to throw him in on or down,
maybe line them up in that special HEIGHTT role if
they're really feeling frisky. Although I think that will be
Javon Solomon's in this game, and probably Dorian Williams. I
think that this is an opportunity for him to really
get much needed reps too. I don't want to call
this like a throwaway game. No game to me in
the NFL is a throwaway game. And when you play
your division, especially on the road, those games could still

(55:20):
be tough. Like we got to remember too. This isn't
in Buffalo November like last year. This is a road
game in Miami. It's hostile environment that does have to
be taken into account. I know, I know, but like
I don't want fans to like, god forbid, it's a
closer game. I don't need the headache of oh my god,
this team sucks. It's like they've played bad divisional opponents
and had close games against them that happens. But I

(55:42):
will say there's a lot to be optimistic about if
you're a Bills fan in this matchup, for personnel reasons
and on defense, even with some injuries, I think they
can withstand them. But I'm hoping they're healthier and confident
that these guys can play, because it would just be
so much fun to just kick their absolute ass. Yeah,
on defense and offense, Like, just have the hell the
guys in, have them play, have them completely shut everything down,

(56:03):
and just like bury this into the ground. Because I'll
say this, like it already looks like Mike McDaniel's done.
He sounds and like if Miami Dolphin fans find this,
I apologize. I really am not trying to beraate. I
try to be objective on the show. He sounds like
a man defeated, Like he just sounds like a man
that is completely removed. Now, I'm not going to go
as far as to question his personal life like some

(56:25):
Bills fans did with Josh Allen. What I will say, though,
is the circumstances around the team are objectively not great.
They are two and seven, their GM just got fired,
and they've lost some really tough games, including the Carolina game,
which I think was the spirit breaker for them, that
Ravens game last week even more so. It's a team
that is very much in turmoil, and Mike McDaniel is
not instilling confidence, which leads me to believe that his

(56:47):
time is numbered there, or his days are numbered there.
His time is limited there, and it sucks. He seems
like a great dude, he seems like a great mind,
but I feel like for the Bills, there's nothing more
you would want than to just see a defeated team
and just pound him into the ground. No sympathy, no empathy,
bury them. While you can remember that one loss in
twenty twenty two and just use it as vengeance fuel.

(57:09):
It'd be nice to have an easy divisional win like
you got in week two and walk into that Tampa
Bay game seven and two hopefully healthy.

Speaker 3 (57:17):
It's amazing you brought that loss in twenty twenty two.
That's the last time that McDaniel has ever beaten the Bills.
And and you said a hostile environment. I made a
noise and rolled my eyes because I think the only
way it's hostel is if the sun is out. Similar
to twenty twenty two, it's gonna be true to eighty
three degrees and sunny for those that don't know, and
it's fine if you don't. They have built their stadium

(57:38):
specifically where at one o'clock on Sundays the visitor sideline
is going to get the sun and the home sideline
gets the shape. It's eighty three, not one hundred or
whatever it was back in twenty twenty two. And I
expect it to be about seventy five percent Bills fans
there based on early reports of ticket sales there. So yeah,
I don't think it's going to be like an overly
noisy situation. I would want to say one last thing

(58:01):
on Land and Jackson. This was not for folks that
are freaking out about him being inactive. I would just say, like,
this was not hard to see coming, and I would
encourage you not to freak out. This was something that
Luca and I talked about. I'm sure you were on
top of it too when they drafted him. This was
pretty easy to see when you look at what the
Bills had on their roster at Edge. It was Greg Grusseau,

(58:21):
who was on a massive second contract. They just paid
Michael Hoyt. They just paid Joey Bosa and you had
a Japanessa who they like a lot on a second contract.

Speaker 4 (58:30):
There's four defensive.

Speaker 3 (58:31):
Ends ahead of him, so it really came down to
him versus Javon Solomon for special teams and that's just
what it is. You want your fifth or fourth edge
on game day to be a special teams guy, and
Solomon is one of the best on the team. So
I think that freaking out about him being an active
is misplaced. I think in a lot of ways, it's
a lot like Elam being inactive early in his career.

(58:51):
We all know that didn't turn out well for him,
but it was because he didn't have a special team's
role that some other guys did. So I don't think
that anything about him being an active speaks to who
he is. And I do think he was more of
a long term project based on his athletic upside, because
let's face it, Joel, if he was a refined edge
with his size and speed and athleticism, he would have

(59:14):
been a top ten pick. Yeah, that's why you got
him in the bottom of the third round.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
Yeah. No, I totally agree with that. He was the
textbook definition of a project and that's why he fell.
I mean a lot of people projected him to go
early second. Some people even originally thought late first. He
goes on the third round, and at pick I believe
it was seventy two. I'm not mistaken. He was very
much someone that people felt would take time to develop
in the league. Maybe we're worried about the length not
translating to power enough, maybe worried about him being a

(59:41):
bit more clunky as an outside rusher, which I think
those concerns are still president fair, But I think that's
a perfectly fine type of player. When you talk about
raw athleticism to try and hinder wuck On in the
third round and not in the first, and in the
first round they went for an athletic corner, but that
had proven production in college and has proven in two
games so far that he was worth that pick. I

(01:00:02):
hope that sustains. I think with Land and Jackson, I'm
okay with this year being the project developmental year where
the snaps are if they're healthy, the rest of the
room is healthy a bit few and far between, because
if he's playing more than what I expect, that means
he's exceeding expectations and that's great, but I think he's
the type of player that you need a year or
two to really see fully from And I think Ajepanessa

(01:00:23):
right in front of him is prove for all of
us that this takes time sometimes, and Ede Rusher is
not gonna blossom right away. We're seeing Ajeppen as a
play his best football now like this season, particularly from
last year to this year, the growth has been so
so steady and slow for him that people thought that
his ceiling was reached. I think this is truly the
best year of football he's played. He's generating disruption, he's

(01:00:44):
making plays on the ball, he's clogging lanes, he's a
stout run defender. Like it just takes time for some
of these guys, and it's frustrating because when you have
Josh Allen and you're in the window, you're like, I
can't wait. They shouldn't have to wait. They shouldn't have
to waste his prime. They're not wasting his prime. This
is a team that's constantly adding in players on their
roster and shuffling through and you rather plant the seed
now for the tree to grow later if you have

(01:01:05):
the bodies to sustain, which throughout this year. The pass
rush has not been the weak point of this defense.
They have been probably the best part of it. So
I would argue that it's okay to let Land and
Jackson develop on the back end if you're confident enough
that this defensive line and subsequent pass rush are good
enough to sustain that growth. And I think they have been.
I think Joey Bosa has been good enough. I think
Russeau has been great. L Walker has developed really nicely.

(01:01:28):
I think they were getting really high tier play from
every injured three tech that they threw into the well
in Daikwon Jones and at Oliver. I think Ogan Joby
is just getting into the swing of things and we'll
see what happens with him. It's been a productive unit,
and I think Land and Jackson not being the stalwart
part of it is in you know, obviously we want that,
but it's not the end of the world. And I
think we're going to see more from him either down

(01:01:49):
the line this season or next season when the room
probably opens up just a little bit more for him
to get an opportunity. But otherwise, yeah, this defense, I think,
even with their injuries, can sustain, can play a quality
game against Miami. I think it's a game the Bill
should win. But I say that really about most games.
We'll see if they do again. Road game these are tricky.
I don't care if this if the stadium has one

(01:02:10):
fan in it that's of Miami colors, or if they're
you know, wearing Miami jerseys across the entire thing. I
think to me, it's it's still a road divisional game,
So don't mess around, don't take it lightly. I don't
foresee this team doing that. They haven't given you a
reason to think they would against the Dolphins over the
past couple of years. I think they're going to keep

(01:02:31):
those Miami jerseys in their seat, and I think it's
a game that they should win. But we'll see, Josh.
Any final thoughts before we sign off tonight.

Speaker 4 (01:02:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:02:39):
One thing that I've really liked about this defense, Joe,
is it feels like they're starting to develop a little
bit like a Belichick.

Speaker 4 (01:02:45):
In aspect to them.

Speaker 3 (01:02:47):
And know what I mean by that is, if you
follow those old Belichick Patriots, he would find guys on
his roster backups that were really good at certain things
and ask them to only do that. And there was
one point he had wide receiver Troy Brad playing slot corner.
There was one point he had Mike Rabel playing tight
end on the goal line packages and he caught a
couple of touchdowns. And I'm seeing that with McDermott, where

(01:03:10):
Dorian Williams is a guy that we were getting so
frustrated with when he was just trying to be in
every down linebacker, but now we're finding out, Wow, he's
actually a really good blitzer.

Speaker 4 (01:03:19):
Let's just have him do that.

Speaker 3 (01:03:21):
And the role that they looked like they had carved
out for Michael Hoyt was like a real plan for
that guy, and it's a shame we're not gonna be
able to see that happening. And cam Lewis is playing
all over the formation in every game, and I'm just
really impressed with the way they're using players all up
and down their roster. It's exciting to see and I'm

(01:03:41):
glad that McDermott's calling plays because it seems.

Speaker 4 (01:03:43):
To be going well.

Speaker 3 (01:03:44):
I do have one question for you, Joe, Yeah, before
we get out of here, and I know you're at time,
but what did you think of what the Jets did?

Speaker 4 (01:03:51):
Because I kind of loved it from their.

Speaker 1 (01:03:52):
Perspective what the Jets did.

Speaker 3 (01:03:54):
In what regard the trade deadline, the Jet players for
pick sauce Gardner for two first.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
I mean, it was unfortunately a necessary part of fixing
their future. I think the logic is, you've had enough
years of Quinn Williams and sauce Gardner that you weren't
winning with to prove that it was okay to move them,
and I think the Colts gave them really one of
the most insane by like the sane trade deadline buyouts

(01:04:20):
I could fathom. I mean, two first round picks and
ad Mitchell for a corner that I think is very,
very good, but that's a rich price. I feel like
that Jets couldn't say no to that, especially considering the
trajectory of the franchise and the rebuilt you're going to
inevitably have to go to and the draft capital you
need to acquire to successfully pull that off. I think
it's kind of funny that twenty twenty two they had

(01:04:43):
three first round picks that were all hits and a
second round pit that was a hit, and they didn't
make the playoffs. Still in any of the years that followed,
I think that they have to do this again. This
is just through decision making from their past regime, bringing
in Aaron Rodgers and bringing in Nathaniel Hackett and the
pairing being terrible, and you know, Aaron Rodgers kind of

(01:05:04):
micro managing to get in his guys and his guys
not really helping them in any capacity. The firing of
Robert Sala, which I think still to this day, was
a mistake because I actually really like Robert Sala as
a coach. I thought he had them in the right
direction after twenty twenty two. I think the team put
themselves in this position. It's an unfortunate part of rebuilding
where you have to cut your losses for really good

(01:05:25):
players and say we got to let you go because
we got to go get the draft capital. And this
is the best thing they can do because they're not
winning with this current roster. They're probably not winning next
year with the same players. Why not go give it
another shot. Your regimi is set, you have a new GM,
you have your head coach. I don't think this is
a really tell all year for Aaron Glenn, considering how
poor some of the personnel in this offense is. Yes,

(01:05:47):
you have Garrett Wilson, Yes he had Mason Taylor, Yes
he hat Brees Hall. You lose Brayley Allen for the year.
Your ole line is patchwork. I thought it would be
better than it actually was, and the rest of their
receiving corps is virtually non existent on defense, so many
holes to fill. This was something they had to do.
I think in the next couple of years you will
see a young Jets team emerge, but they kind of

(01:06:08):
set their timeline that they're going to be a few
years away again. But I'm a Jet fan. I'm really frustrated,
but I understand that they have to do this. You
just hope that the next rebuild they have is the
one that pays off. And if you're a Bills fan,
you hope it fails again just like it did this
past time. So I think they're in a really interesting spot.
But I think how they handled the trade deadline was
the correct move objectively for how to rebuild the team

(01:06:29):
and be successful in the future.

Speaker 3 (01:06:31):
I agree with you, and I thought they were getting
a lot of flack for giving away good players. But
you have to get off that quarterback merry go round.
They had a Mike White phase, a Tyrod Taylor phase,
and you know, it's like they were burned from Zach Wilson.
So then it was Aaron Rodgers and then you just
mentioned it with Justin Fields and go to the bottom,
get the picks, start over and make something of your franchise.

(01:06:51):
And one thing that you know, I'm not the biggest
Aaron Glenn guy so far, but he's following the Dan
Campbell method when he got to Detroit where he went
there and he traded away Matt Stafford for a bounty
of picks and brought back a high pick in Jared
Goff who the league had kind of given up on,
maybe similar to Mazzie Smith and Adie Mitchell, and it
ended up being a lotto ticket. And they trade away TJ.

(01:07:14):
Hockinson for a bunch of picks, and they rebuilt their
roster with guys that believe in the culture that they're
trying to build. And you know, I give him credit.
If I was a Jets fan, I'd be ecstatic because
I've seen my team do the same thing a year after.

Speaker 4 (01:07:27):
This is at least direction.

Speaker 3 (01:07:29):
Not Hey, we're gonna try next year, We're gonna try
Kyler Murray with this roster. No, well, we're gonna be
brand new.

Speaker 1 (01:07:37):
I wouldn't put it past them at all to try
doing that. Don't get me wrong, Kyler Murray or if
they Cowboys aren't gonna do this. But if the whole
like floating rumer of Dak Prescott being like that dark
horse trade candidate actually happened and the Jets got him,
I'd actually be hyped because I think Dak Prescott's awesome.
But like if they got Kyler Murray, it's it's running
your head into the wall. I'm sorry, I've given up.

(01:07:58):
I can't get behind Kyler Murray any more. I feel
like we've had plenty of years for him to prove
us wrong, and he's just a very limited quarterback just
despite the athleticism and speed. I think the ACL injury
really messed up his mobility as far as like being
a true thread on the ground. I think he runs
with so much more hesitancy. I just don't think he's
the same player, and I don't think he's ever really
had a substantially well I want to say this, I

(01:08:20):
thought he did have a high ceiling. I don't think
he's ever going to reach it. So I think with
the Jets, they should avoid that. But yeah, like ultimately
mediocrity and we've seen it with the drought Eerra Bills, right, Like,
there was honestly a hope that all these six and
ten teams could just bottom out once because then you
can get a blue chip prospect. The year they got
Josh Allen, like that was the hope. Full year like
they went and then they ended up going nine to

(01:08:41):
seven and making the playoffs, but they still were like, no,
we still need to go get this guy because this
is not a sustainable approach. The quarterback is everything. They
need to really prioritize doing that. First, they haven't had one,
and it's been the bane of their existence. We've walked
into getting one, the Patriots have walked into getting one.
The Dolphins. I don't think Tua's awful. I don't think
Tua is a ceiling razor for a whole team. I

(01:09:04):
think you need a really good scheme in place for
him to win. But I think they're in a bit
of a purgatory state right now. You're seeing teams within
your own division have their franchise guys, and I think
maybe in their eyes new regime change, that regime change
seeing someone in the division that's not. The Bills also
ascending because of their quarterback might have pushed them to
try and be more urgent in their matters and say, Nope,

(01:09:24):
we got to restart this thing. We got to pull
the plug. It sucks, it is what it is. We'll
keep guys that we really feel like we can build
with because they're youthful and they're being paid a lot
of money, and we go from there. I think the
Jets are doing the right thing again. I hope Jet
fans buy into it because I think this is really
the necessary evil. I don't think they were going to
win with the core they had. And Yeah, as interesting topic,

(01:09:46):
I haven't really talked about it with anybody, so it
was cool to bring it up here. Josh. Any final
thoughts on this matchup? Anything else you want to say
about the Bills before we sign off for the night.

Speaker 4 (01:09:55):
No, Joe, I always enjoy coming on.

Speaker 3 (01:09:57):
One thing to also keep in mind, very quickly the
Bills after this Dolphins game, play the Bucks and then
four days later play the Texans. That could be another
reason why you might want to rest guys this week
because there's a quick turnaround against two really good teams.

Speaker 1 (01:10:10):
That is a great point. I do agree with that.
My only counter to that is I wonder if there's
more incentive for them to sit guys against Tampa because
of the non conference opponent. But it is a home game,
so you do wonder if they also wouldn't want to
compromise that they have interesting decisions to make ahead of
this weekend. But I'm in agreement with you. If it's
close on a guy like Evanessa, if it's close on
like Taron Johnson's growing, if you think Josh Palmer needs

(01:10:31):
another week, I'm okay with sitting them. But I just
hope it's not to a point where they sit too
many guys and it actually proves to be the difference
in what could have been like a really wide defeat
for the Dolphins and a close game where you're sweating
a bit more. We'll see, but I agree with you.
I think that's probably the better option. And if it's
not this week and they have some more fringe guys
next week, I could see them sitting in them too. But Josh,

(01:10:53):
I appreciate your insight. I appreciate you joining me again
like it's I'm happy to have you back on here.
You guys do a great job on your show. I
want you to tell the good people where they can
find you and what you got going on.

Speaker 4 (01:11:04):
Appreciate that, Joe.

Speaker 3 (01:11:05):
It's Bill's Chat Pod on Twitter or x I still
call it Twitter. I think I always will. We are
at Bill's Chat Podcast on YouTube. We are almost a
five hundred subscribers. We are about seven away, so if
you do hear this, we encourage you to go like
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(01:11:28):
anywhere your podcasts are found. But hey, it's always great
to be on with you. Always great to be on
cover one.

Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
Yeah, Man, always great to have you. Guys. Please do
yourselves a favor and check out Bill's Chat Pod again.
We have a lot of great content creators in our space,
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They're a great follow on Twitter, They're great to engage with,
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you can find me on Twitter slash x, but I

(01:11:53):
will also call it Twitter at show underscored a Rosa,
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Probably shouldn't have come back on it again given how
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