The Best Draft Fits for the Buffalo Bills | Under Review - Under Review

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Speaker 1 (00:14):
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Speaker 2 (00:43):
Welcome everybody.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
Thank you so much for joining us on this week's
episode of Under Review. I hope you're having a wonderful
Tuesday evening and rest of your week.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
My name is Joda Rosa.

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show Underscore DeRosa and we are continuing on our draft
discussions on this show. If you couldn't already tell, tonight's
tagline is Troy am Jos, because we are going to
be talking about our player preferences for the Buffalo Bills
in the NFL Draft. And if you can recall, a
couple weeks ago, I brought on James Foster on the
show to discuss some of the better players that were

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out there at the positions of need for the Bills.
But now I kind of want to reel it in
and get a bit more specific on players that we
like that we feel could be ideal fits and the
reasons why. And in a draft as expansive as this one,
when you talk about the needs that Bills have, there
are plenty of options to choose from.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
It feels like you have multiple right answers, so it's
fun to just parse.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
Through all the different options, all the players that could
bring positives and potentially be starters or at at least
solid rotational players for the Buffalo Bills. When I say we,
I never just me and me. I got a guest tonight,
and I appreciate this guest immenseally because he was able
to join me on such short notice, mister Jake Steinhardt. Jake,
I appreciate you, man, I said offline. You know you

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came through in a pinch, and it's just something that
you know, I know, on short notice could be hectic,
but here you are ready to talk.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
How you doing, my friend, How's everything?

Speaker 1 (02:04):
Everything's great, man. I was happy to be able to
pay you back since you bailed me out last minute
earlier this season. I am happy to be able to
do the same for you, my friend.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
Appreciate that, man.

Speaker 3 (02:16):
And yeah, it's draft season in full swing, and we
were talking offline a bit about just like coming up
with some of the different discussions, because it feels like
when you get this close and you're on like the
home stretch before the actual events starts, all the talking
points have been thrown out there, so many players have
been discussed. But I just wanted to bring it to
this show to get a little more specific on who
we like, cause I did a mock draft last week

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and I basically googled over every player that was on
the board, as everyone seems to do when they do
PFF mock drafts, and I thought it would just be
more fun to get a specific look at again some
of the players that maybe people know, maybe people just
aren't more aware of as far as what they could
bring to the table for this Bills offense or defense,
and then just take it from there. Jake, and you
know when we talked offline, you had mentioned corner and

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that's really the theition I want to start with. But
before we do, before we get into the details your
overall thoughts, I'm gonna spin this to you and ask
you on this draft class.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
Obviously, the positions of need amongst this fan base.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
Are pretty much agreed upon when you talk about D
line and secondary, and there's some sprinkling a wide receiver.
But based on all you've watched, all you've been able
to read, however you've approached it, what are your thoughts
on this class and specifically at the positions of need
for the Buffalo Bills.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
What do you like about it and what are some
of your concerns.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
Well, I think overall it's it's a good class for
what the Bills need. It might be a little thing
you could argue at, like CB two, but there's still
some good choices. But I think overall being has set
the team up really well to kind of have a
pick of the litter of what they like. There's a

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really good mix of D line depending on what your
flavor is, from defensive tackle to d end. And then
I think like there's the middle of this draft is
there's a lot, a lot of meat on the bone.
So I think really that's where you're gonna see some
really intriguing choices and picks, and I think you're gonna
see bean kind of move around in those rounds, you know,

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the late second to fifth round. I think there's gonna
be a lot of movement in there targeting guys because
there's a lot of value. There's some really really deep
position groups here with you know, upside and starting capable,
so you might not have like the star power that's
gonna be there, you know, twenty to twenty five first
round grades, but I think there's a lot of Day

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two grades that are going to go past the day two,
so you're gonna find them in the fourth and fifth
round in this year. So I really like the class overall,
and I think Bean's really set himself up to have
choices and be able to move around with ten picks.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
I love that point about the meat on the bone
because it's very true. I think a lot of people
would agree in this class specifically, while the top end
talent is there, it kind of more so resembles classes
of years past where you had of starting options players
that you could take that could be high four guys
come onto the field, serve a role, but they're not
truly elite. And you know, for the Bills who have

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picked at thirty twenty seven to twenty eight in years
past and consistently find themselves in that range, it doesn't
feel like it's anything new. But why I like your
points so much too is bringing up how Brandon Being
will likely move around, because I think that's going to happen.
You know, when we did the mock last week, John
and I we were saying how they're very much likely
not going to use all ten picks and that it's

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really going to be Brandon Being wailing dealing to either
move up or to both move up and also take
some of his later picks for next year, which he
seems to do year after year. I can recall each
of the past two offseasons, each of the past two drafts,
Brandon me making some Day three pick to like, send
off a fifth or sixth round pick, send off his
seven so and just wait till udfa's come in.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
Because they only have so many starting spots.

Speaker 3 (05:53):
Jake, I mean, you're you're likely looking at four to
five players that are going to get meaningful playing time
out of this class, with the hope that somehow, if
you did manage to retain anything more than that, you'd
have an ample amount of starters. But realistically speaking, you're
looking at the potential successor to Da Kwon Jones, the
CB two that's opposite of Christian Benford. You could talk
about adding in like a tight end three or maybe

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another running back, or.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
You talk about an edge rusher to fill the void.

Speaker 3 (06:19):
There's definitely places to find those deaf pieces that could
still be meaningful. But also it's not likely that all
ten picks are going to be ten players you see
on the field all the time, unless there's injury, which
I hope doesn't happen.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
So I love that point.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
I want to bring it now to cornerback because we
said this is going to be an interesting topic, but
you brought something up, and I want to give you
the Florida to bring it up. You know what you
mentioned to me offline about kind of how heavy this
pick is, because whether it's the first round the second round,
it does have a lot of meaning naturally or really.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
What this defensive scheme could look like this season. So
give me your thoughts on the corner class, give me
your thoughts.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
On some of the players you like, and kind of
what you were thinking about what it means or the
Bills scheme specifically.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
Yeah, so I think it's gonna tell us a lot
about what the Bills want to run or be able
to run. Right. They've they've brought in coaches who are
more manned specific and so I'm wondering if they're gonna
lean more into that, you know, not bringing back Russoul.
You know, I think they want to get more athletic,
and so we'll see what the selection they make. Do
they go with the guy who has more versatility. You

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saw that with the Kyrie Elam selection in twenty twenty two. Right,
we kind of thought that they were wanting to play
more press man with him, but obviously he had his
shortfalls for developing. But I want to see are they
going to do something similar here? Are they going to
go for a guy that has some experience playing press man,
but you know, also can play you know, their zone.
I don't think they're going to just all of a
sudden switch to predominantly man, but I think you're gonna

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see more of it, right instead of you know, five percent,
you're gonna see it probably twenty percent or fifteen percent
and so, and especially match up against certain teams. Right
we saw against Kansas City, Like you know, you have
to match up against them, and if you can't, then
you just get a thousand paper cuts, right, a death
by a thousand paper cuts. So that's where I'm really
interested here. I want to see the player they take

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and then what'll that tell us? Like, cause there's things
you can do with Christian Benford too, And I think
that's where it's interesting, Like how much do they trust
Christian Benford? Is he gonna be the true CB one?
Is he gonna play the field side or is he
gonna play where I think he's better at, is against
on the boundary side, against the more narrow field where
you can have more of his strengths, and then you
have a more athletic corner on the opposite side who

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plays more of the field. So there's things like that
that this draft could tell us, and this selection at cornerback,
so I'm really interested here. And then I also wonder
if they do twenty twenty two all over again, and
do they take a guy you know early Day two
or or you know, with their first round pick, and
then do they take another guy in the sixth round
or fifth round or seventh round and kind of hedge

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their bet like they did with Benford and Elim. So
I'm really interested at cornerback. And I think this class
has some really interesting guys in it all the way
throughout the I think it's very deep as far as
guys who have potential to start, especially who could fit
the Bill's scheme being more zone specific.

Speaker 3 (09:08):
Yeah, and to me, that feels like a narrative of
this draft class right. It's almost like you're finding players
to unlock other players on your team and for the
Bill secondary specifically you're finding players that can help you
get even more intricate in how you disguise, and athletic
corners that are hybrid man and zone that excel in both,
are at the very least excel in one and are
good at the other, or stout in the other, and

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maybe preference zone demand man zone, depending on whatever they run.
That seems to be what the m of this draft
is going to be. And for some of the guys
we have on this list, that's what I feel like
the ceiling is for not only that player, but for
that player and what they could do for this defense,
and really the scheme as a whole is certain players
give you that versatility, give you the duality where now,

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if the Bills want to play true pressman jam at
the line, they can. If the Bills want to sit
back and play a softer zone and maybe have people
go a few yards back from the line and give
a little but also set the safeties up or the
nickel up, they could do that too. And setting Benford
up as you alluded to, if you want to give
Benford to the opportunity to play where his strengths are
and maybe in that case give him opportunity to not

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have to move around as much. If you're worried about
maybe that being a cause of concern for some of
the injuries he's faced. I don't think it is, but
some people may feel that way. Then this is your
chance to do it. And I think there are plenty
of players here that have that on them and I
would love to get into it. You know, just right
now naming some of our top guys and you know,
Jake anything, you want to bring up, any name you
like in the cornerback room in the draft class this year,

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and you could give me the stats. You can not
give me the stats and just talk about what you watched,
however you want to present it. Who are some of
the guys you like? Do you see them going to
the Bills early maybe mid rounds? What you're feeling on
this class and some of the players in it.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
Yeah, I think it just depends on the flavor the
Bills wont like do they want, you know, guys that
have more length, do they want you know, speed, Do
they want more man coverage ability, zone coverage? So there's
just some different flavors here. You know, you have Chevon Rapp,
who was linked to the Bills as far As on
a visit, you know, without the injury, the you know,
the knee injury, he's probably a top fifteen pick, top

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ten pick. But he's a guy who you know, is
handsy and you know, man man coverage guy. And you know,
it's not that he can't play his own he's plenty athletic,
but it's just a different profile. And then you have,
you know, a guy like Trey Amos or Maxwell Harrison
is another name that you know, those guys are really
you know, they can play kind of whatever you need,
but they excel in their eyes in the backfield and

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breaking on the ball, and they squeeze routes well, and
so I think it's just the flavor they want, you know.
And then does a guy like Johday Baron who's you know,
flying up the draft boards, but could he fall to them?
And then would they want the versatility of being able
to a guy who can line up outside inside or safety,
And so there's guys like that, and he's shown that
he can hold up on the outside too. So there's

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there's interesting names like Benjamin Morris, you know Morrison who's
coming off the injury and so like how you know
he's a really good player, but he doesn't have the
athletic profile that you know some of the other guys have.
So is that a concern for the Bills or does
he check out? Like there's Darien Porter who's super interesting.
Azaar Thomas as another guy too, Like both those guys

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are really long, lengthy, and so like, is that something
that the Bills want to want to go after as
a guy who can be more long and carry guys
deep and you know, play the pressman style. So this
class has a little bit of everything, and it just
kind of depends on the Bill's flavor.

Speaker 3 (12:31):
So I'll go back to some of the names you mentioned,
starting with Baron. I'm not getting my hopes up on Baron.
I feel like someone's gonna poach him. He's someone I
put on this list reluctantly because I'm just like, I'm
writing down like his profile, how he did some of
the traits, and then I'm sitting here thinking like, h like,
this man's gonna go in the top fifteen and I'm
just gonna be so mad. But had to put him

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down because I do think the vision for him is
a chess piece in the Bills defense. Like, if you
want someone that you feel comfortable as a true slot defender.
If Bills decide that, you know, whether it's a Taron
Johnson substitute, whether it's to just shore up the middle
of the field, and then maybe a deaf corner or
someone you could have playing the boundary behind them goes
and you just have this really stout man coverage over

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the middle. That's an option that I really like. But
I also like his boundary ability, and I think he
has the traits to play all around and for a
defense that's gonna line up and cover three a lot
of the time too, that's a great piece to have
because you don't know where this man will be lined up,
what his role will be, and how he'll interchange with
the safeties on the back end. So if you want
someone who not only has that, but also just the

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willingness to cover, the willingness to tackle, and just plays
like an absolute dog, he's a great player. But for
all those wonderful qualities I just listed Jake, I don't
see him falling to thirty. Unfortunately, if he does and
he's there and you take him, I'd be ecstatic.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
So let's hope you another interesting thing for a player
like him too is you know, they do require the
corners to come up and play the run right and tackle.
So especially in the league now where you're seeing like
more condensed formations, more bunch formations, you kind of need
corners like him who are aggressive, who will fire downhill,
who will knife through, who can line up right and

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cover slot style routes right, but but they play outside
and so you know, he really does give you all
that versatility. And there's some later round guys that I
think can do similar to him, like a Jacob Parrish
is another guy I think is really interesting for the
Bills and gives them ability to do different things. But
I think that'll tell us what the Bills want to do,
because I don't think he you know, he's a guy

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you want to line up against a tall, you know,
athletic speed receiver on the outside right, but a shifty
guy on the outside Garrett Wilson or something. I wouldn't
mind that or these condensed formations. I'd love him lined
up against anybody in a condensed formation where they're coming
across the field. So you know, there's some really interesting ones.
It just depends, like I wouldn't want as Ray Thomas

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doing that, you know, I would want him lining up
outside against a you know, a bigger wide receiver and
play in more of that traditional outside corner. So yeah,
there's just different things, and it just depends what kind
of versatility they want.

Speaker 3 (15:04):
Yeah, different strokes for different folks, depending on your preference.
And that's an underrated part of when you watch corners,
or even if you're just someone who's looking at the
list and trying to find someone who might be a
suitable fit for the Bills. They got to defend the
run at least adequately, right, Like we're not asking for
someone to be, you know, playing the hybrid linebacker and
hybrid safety role, like it would be great if you

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could do that, But they just want serviceable run defense
at a minimum.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
But there are guys here who do excel in that.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
There's someone later on the list that I like that
I think is also known for being a good run defender,
So I like him.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
We'll get to him in a little bit.

Speaker 3 (15:36):
But just some of the other names you mentioned, apart
from Baron, who I also love, but Rebel Revel was
someone John was hyping up last week and I've liked
him for a while. I did a deeper dive on
him over the past week and just watched him more extensively,
and I see the vision for this guy of why
people were proclaiming him to be a.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
Top fifteen pick, top ten pick potentially.

Speaker 3 (15:55):
I am worried about the knee, but if that knee
is holding up, and by all accounts it is because
he's been back to running. Apparently he got clear to
do training camp or being able to go back to
training camp in the summertime. For whatever team that drafts him,
you're getting a guy that has insane traits and insane
athletic profile. You're getting a guy that has reached, who
has the ability to play man. I saw some reps

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in zone where he had his eyes completely downfield, but
he's still moving at such a great speed, never breaking
contact with the eye, contact with the corner, and just
breaking on a ball perfectly from dem like these are
the things that you want.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
His recovery speed is elite.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
It's it is, and you worry.

Speaker 3 (16:30):
You worry a little bit about the knee now because
if he is ramping up and even though he has looked,
you know, like he's getting his speedback and everything.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
For a guy that's you want.

Speaker 3 (16:39):
If you're taking him in the first round potentially to
be pro ready, how much do you trust it?

Speaker 2 (16:44):
That's the only red flag to me, because obviously no
knee injury. I don't even think here's a question for
you though.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
Ask With a guy like him, obviously there's a risk
right that he's not ready when the year starts. But
does the signing of like Dan Jackson give some kind
of floor at least to that room that you have
at least sufficient level play. I won't say, you know,
necessarily good or you know, I don't even know quality
is the right, but you know he's sufficient level. He's

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coming in spurts and played at least well well enough.
Does that, at least, you know, make you feel more
comfortable with that? Or is that again where you know
you just double dip again with a guy later and
that provides you, you know, even more insurance and cast
a guy like him or Benjamin Morris aren't ready.

Speaker 3 (17:26):
I definitely think they're double dipping, Like I would be
confident that even if they wound up with five picks
in this draft, they're double dipping because I think the
room has the need Dan Jackson on a one year deal,
I like JaMarcus Ingram. But outside of those two, it's
Christian Benford. You have some guys on the practice squad
and you haven't resigned another vet. You haven't brought in
you know, you haven't brought back ROSSL. Douglas. You haven't

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potentially brought in a guy like a a Sante Samuel
Junior or something like that, or a vet like Gilmore.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
It's a pretty barren gap. So I'm not the most comfortable.

Speaker 3 (17:59):
And I thought Dan Jacks was fine. I didn't think
he was an otherworldly dB. I didn't think he was
as bad as the fan base made him out to be.
I think he played a you know, had a rough
season in Carolina, and there were times where you just
watch him get caught flat footed, and maybe it was
because they're putting him at a position. I didn't watch
him extensively in Carolina to really know. But what I'll
say about Dan is there is a floor there of

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being a perfectly serviceable zone corner. I don't know if
I trust him consistently as a man to man corner,
and I think for that reason, I definitely want to
see someone with better reps there, but also getting that
dog and run defense. If that's got to be your
secondary option later in the draft, that's fine. Like, get
me someone who I think we prioritize just in the
coverage aspect and the run defense can either come later

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or if you find someone that has it early, make
sure that person can cover.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
Please, Like I just I don't want to see.

Speaker 3 (18:45):
A repeat of the AC Championship game and I defended elim.
I was hoping for the best. It didn't pan out,
and there's some guys on here that you could worry
might have a similar trajectory. But that's kind of where
I'm at with it. So I'm not totally comfortable with
the floor.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
I'm not.

Speaker 3 (18:58):
I don't think it's the worst four in the world,
but they gotta get bodies in that room for sure.

Speaker 1 (19:02):
Yeah, I think that's the big thing, because you know,
if Dan Jackson is the floor, that's okay. But I
don't want that even you know, as your CB three essentially,
I'd rather that be your CB four vet you know,
you know corner. So I think he's the opposite of
what we've been talking about as far as he doesn't
give you any versatility. He's got to play off. He's
you know, just you know, pure zone essentially, but he

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does come up and play the run and he does
tackle well. So yeah, I think if you're gonna take
somebody like Revel, then I think you have to double dip.
And I think the Bills have getting every indication that
they're gonna double dip, even if it's gonna be like
a priority UDFA or you know, a sixth round pick
or something, or or they trade back in the seventh round.

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So yeah, yeah, I would love that. There's definitely guys
here that you could take in the six or seventh
round that that could be starters someday.

Speaker 3 (19:53):
Absolutely, And just before we even get into the middle rounds,
I have to bring up Tremos just because he's my
tack he's my tagline. But but he might be I
think he is my favorite corner in the class at
least realistic option for the Bills, because if we were
in the periphery in in like our range of draft
picks of Will Johnson or Baron, which I thought was
more realistic, like then I'd be a little higher on them.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
I love Tremos. I think he just he plays both
really well.

Speaker 3 (20:18):
Like watching him in man coverage was really fun because
I felt like there was fluidity with his hips where
even when he has to turn around, it never feels
like he breaks strider acceleration or breaks his cover, and
it doesn't feel like he ever gets to a point
where his hands are too menacing. I know there's times
where he's gonna grab and that's just going to happen
in man defense, and maybe he'll get called for penalties
at the pro level. But it also felt like it

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was very disciplined man coverage where it wasn't too panicky,
which I really like because that was my concern too.
If they're finding a guy to just play man, that's great,
but that person can't be ridiculously handsy because we went
just we just went through that.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
I think his problems almost he's he's too comfortable in
trail technique, and that's kind of my problem with him
is when he's on the outside against some guys that
have some speed, he gets he wants to trail so
he can make a play on the ball, right, But
I think I think that's what kind of gets is
going to get him in trouble in the next you know,
in the NFL, where guys can just simply pull away

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from you or maintain that separation, because he really does
like to undercut routes, and he's very aggressive, you know,
with his hands in his eyes, and and so I
just I don't necessarily worry so much about the elam
grabbing because I don't think, like you said, I don't
think he's panicking. I think, if anything, he's almost too
comfortable running with people. Yes, exactly, it's.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
Very arrogant with the reach too, because you notice Sue.

Speaker 3 (21:37):
Sometimes what he'll do is he'll be in that trail
and if he's behind someone, he tries to kind of
come back with his arm. And it's like this, like
it's all I can't describe it. I don't even know
what I would equate it to. But it's almost like
you just trust your athleticism a bit too much and
that'll get your issues. But sometimes it does work. But
when your face speedier receivers, that is going to be
a problem. But also something I feel like that's just
a bad habit that could be coached out. And also

(21:59):
again like there's just so many things to like about him.
I think the frame is fine. I think he is
a short tackler. I think in zone coverage too, I
think he jumps routes and has really nice timing, and
it's almost like that ability to read the quarterback's eyes
and make that break with him is there. He just
feels to me like a corner that you slot in
and he starts right away. There's no question about it.
I don't think there's going to be like a project

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development curve for him. He feels like the guy that
can play both well, and even if he's not necessarily
elite in some people's eyes, I think he would be
a very good CB two with room to develop into
even CB one potential in the Bills d.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
I had just had to throw his name out there.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
I know we've mentioned him to death on this network,
but I love Trey Amos like he has to be
my favorite, and I'm out of point, Jake. I think
I'm a D line truther and I loved tackle and
I want to build these s trenches. But if they
go him at thirty, like I'll understand it, and I
even think it's the more likely option that someone like
a Harman or a Grant. What do you think about that?
Do you think Corner might be the likeliest pick at

(22:54):
thirty or do you feel like they might sway a
different direction.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
I mean, I really think it to pay on how
the board falls, right. I know it's kind of a
cop out, but it kind of depends on who's there, right,
I mean, I think if Grant's there, I think you
have to take him. I think if Walter Nolan type
is there, I think you have to take him, just
because you don't normally see guys like that fall to
the late first round. But you know, with we talked

(23:19):
about this corner class, I think there's guys you can
get in the second round or move up and you'll
be just fine with some of these other guys that
we're gonna talk about. So I don't think the gap
is that big from like a Trey Amos to you know,
a couple of the other guys, so Azra Thomas, Darien Porter,
Benjamin Morrison. It's not that big. But I do think

(23:39):
a guy like Kenneth Grant is the gap is pretty big.
Like from what he can provide right away, I don't
think there's much of a projection there. I think he's
just gonna be what he is.

Speaker 3 (23:50):
Yeah, I agree with that, and that's kind of what
you need in the CB two spot in the Bills defense.
And I'm not saying this like I want to be
complacent or that, like I want to like be okay
with adequate play, But I want stability is really my
point here.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
I want a player who I can trust.

Speaker 3 (24:06):
I feel like we had that with Rosswell Douglas for
the first season, we had him after the trade deadline.
Then last season it was a bit rocky at times,
and you could attribute some of that to communication on
the back end, new safety room, some lapses with you know,
cold bishop and deeper coverage and to pass off from
corner to safety not being there, maybe them thinking they
had help and didn't that kind of thing. But even then,

(24:26):
there were situations where Douglass just looked out of place.
Didn't you know, jump his snap as quickly as he
used to, Maybe had struggle with tackling, and I felt
like I was starting to get a little uncomfortable with
their second you.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
Lost the stat man. If he was chasing, like if
his route carried him across the field, it was trouble.

Speaker 3 (24:43):
Yeah, and there's some players on here that I feel
like have similar issues. But also when you have a
younger player, maybe a better athletic profile, I could still
feel comfortable and then making those plays every now and
then at the very least.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
But Jacob, I'll flip it back to you.

Speaker 3 (24:55):
I mean, you brought up Darien Porter, but talk to
me about other players, whether it's him anyone else.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
You want to get into that.

Speaker 3 (25:01):
Maybe we didn't cover you did mention Parish briefly, and
I know someone in our chat talked about wanting to
hear more about Parish, So I'd be interested because this
is someone who I've kind of overlooked a little bit too.
But I've heard only good things about him. I've heard
really good things about how he is, and you've definitely
seen more of him than I have at this point.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
So I'm interested to hear more about Parish.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
Sure, all right, So my write up I did on
him five compact, savvy cornerback who has an impressive combination
of quickness, technique and route anticipation. It allows him to
play bigger than his listed size. He's surprisingly reliable as
a tackler, and he's aggressive to at it. I think

(25:39):
he's projected to be a slot by a lot of teams,
but he can definitely play outside. I think he can
contribute relatively quickly He's got a really nice polish and
feel to the game in man Ari Zone, and I
think some teams are going to fall in love with him.

(26:00):
I would think people are going to take him. Some
teams might take him higher then you would even think,
especially if they want him just as a slot. But
I think kind of like John A. Baron, he can
go a little bit both ways, you know, outside and inside,
and gives you a little versatility. I think he's got
a little more room to fill out his frame though,
But he's a really good player. And you know, he's

(26:21):
got a lot of like Kobe Bryant as well, like
dogging him, like really aggressive and gets after it. And
I really appreciate that about him, and I think he's
a really good player. I just don't know if that's
your the first corner you take, he would for me,
he'd be more like the second guy you would take.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
He'd be like a guy if he inherited Tarren Johnson spot.
And that's kind of why I overlooked him too, is
because I felt like he was boxed into that nickel role.
So I wasn't one hundred percent sure if it was
someone I wanted to watch because I didn't know how
realistic it would be. I'll give him a fair shake
after this, because I think it's only right that if
we're getting to later round corners, he's someone I want
to watch more extensively. But you just brought up Kobe Bryant,
who I do really like and I would like on

(26:58):
this team. And again, not the most polish corner, not
the biggest frame, not a bad frame, but definitely not
as big as some of the top end. But someone
who plays with a lot of fire, you know, someone
who I find could be stable in zone, someone who
I think would be really nice as a rotational corner too.
If you're talking about taking a top end corner. I
want to hear your take on Kobe Bryant too, because
I really like him, and if they got HI, let's say,

(27:19):
if he fell to the fourth round, I'd be pretty
happy with that pick.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
Yeah, I have them pretty similarly graded. Jacob Parrish. So
I wrote a tall, lanky cornerback with impressive flexibility, quick feet,
some really physical play in man coverage, solid ball skills.
His experience shows up on tape with his anticipation in
his technique. He doesn't panic. I think he needs to

(27:43):
continue to develop his body though. That's where I worry.
He's only one to seventy five and so he's got
a bulk up some he's got some room, but I
wonder if that how much that's gonna affect his quickness
and his speed. But I think he has the potential
to be a starting caliber player. There's some schematic versatility
with him. I think he could play zone ideally cover

(28:06):
three though, and then I think he can play a
little press man as well, and I think he'll be
better a press man with some more reps and some time,
but really good player man, aggressive, and I think he
just needs to fill out and develop a little more.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
Yeah, And it's funny because the counterpart mellow dots In
who I had at six one, seems to have a
similar like there's limitations to his game. I could see
the ceiling being rotational corner in the Bills defense. Again,
another quality zone player, and I think he's a good processor.
Is a corner again when it comes to timing, how
he can jump, how he can be in position and zone.

(28:41):
But it's the speed component of his game that kind
of worries a lot, And like I wonder if that's
going to be an issue if you talk about rotational
and also having to man someone up. What do you
think about his counterpart, mellow Dots. I know we briefly
spoke about it, but do you have any thoughts on.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
Him as well?

Speaker 1 (28:57):
Uh? Not a ton. I mean I haven't watched him
a ton. I obviously watched him a little bit when
I was watching Kobe Bryant, but I didn't do a
write up on him. So I think for me, it's
just it's athletic functional athleticism. For me, I don't think
he's as fluid, especially against vertical routes. I don't. I
think his lack of speed really shows up. And that's

(29:20):
kind of what's troubling for me, is I feel like
he's gonna need some help over the top at the
next level. I don't think you can leave him isolated
on the outside. He does have some tightness in his
hips and that that does happen with with a taller corner,
you know. Six Yeah, So I just worry about I
think that's his issues flipping and running, but in his zone, uh,

(29:42):
you know, I think he'd be better and coming forward.
But again I didn't watch him a ton.

Speaker 3 (29:49):
Yeah, and with that it's it's going to be so
fun to see how they attack it early, because that's
why I'm I'm kind of hoping that the first corner
they take just excels and man because of the idea
is he's going to be your full time starter and
you end up getting a team and like, let's say,
just like a third and long situation. That's where I'll
feel far more comfortable if you got to get that
player off the field and you also brought up the
component with helping your safeties out. If they take an

(30:11):
athletic like rangey safety, someone that's a true center fielder
in this draft, I'll also feel a little more comfortable
with taking the player. But outside of Cole Bishop like
Rap and then DeMar Hamlin and Derek Forst who has
a really good athletic profile but hasn't.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
Really been seen what he can do in this Bill's defense.

Speaker 3 (30:27):
You also want to find a complimentary corner to the
athleticism or lack thereof of your safety room, at least
in my opinion, so I'd like to find someone who
does have a little more speeder at the very least
ken Man up a bit more effectively or play some
stout zone in the effort to be able to successfully
pass off and communicate well with your secondary, the other
members of your secondary.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
So that's another player I just wanted to bring up.

Speaker 3 (30:48):
And there's one more I want to mention, Jake, and
then we could I'll ask you for your final thoughts.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
But No.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
Williams is someone I really like watching, and he's a
man option, but he man's up well. He's someone who
has a really interesting bill. I had him at two
hundred pounds and when he hits, he hits hard. He
will leigh the hammer down. But I do have concerns
about him as a run defender, just because again limited
length and when you talk about some of the speeds
they're running backs more towards the edge. I wonder if

(31:14):
there are going to be limitations and how he tackles
at the pro level. But as a pure man corner,
this is someone I really like watching, and I think
that his zone processing, while not perfect, is there to
a point where if you had him set up and
playing off, he can come from death then make a
read and be able to tackle or at the very
least jump a route and disrupt it. Did you get
to watch No, Williams at all, and if so, what
do you think about the player?

Speaker 1 (31:36):
Yeah, I did watch him. One of the guys on
our network, Whiddle loves him. I h yeah, I know
you know him well. I think his issue is he's
just a modest athlete, Like he gets by a lot
with his instincts. He's very instinctual, but when you get
him in space, I think he kind of struggles a
little bit, and so that's what I worry about him.

(31:56):
He's also very aggressive with his hands, and so I
think think against speedier, shiftier guys, that could get him
in trouble, especially when he's chasing. And then the tackling
with me is a concern. He had twenty percent in
miss tackle rate in twenty twenty three, and so I
just worry about his tackling at the next level. But
you know, as as far as an overall player, I

(32:18):
think he's a very good developmental player and I think
he could come in and play and if we're talking
like you know floor, I think his floor would be
a CB three that comes in when you need him
to come in and you know, finish a game or
to spot start. You know, I think he would be
more than capable of that.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
That's how I feel about it.

Speaker 3 (32:37):
He's the type of player that if you were rotating
him in because maybe you had injury or just needed
someone to get a breather, I don't have concerns about
him from a coverage level. If the if the situation
you're in is a passing situation. If we're talking third
and six, which is ideally the vision of this Bills
defense this year, right, you want to limit the amount
of opportunities teams are going to get third and short
on you to be able to do what they want
pre to post snap and put you in binds. You

(32:59):
want to be able to those early downs and end
up in better pass opportunities. And this is a player
that I think eats if he comes in even as
a CD three to facto CEB four, however, you want
to line him up early and again you're not really,
in my opinion, going to be experiencing, at least in
a perfect world, if he develops the way you want
to a drop off in that man coverage is again
the way he attacks players that the line is violent.

(33:19):
I think he could play off, I think he can
play bail, I think he could play press jam, if
you wanted him to. And all of these things are
ones that, even if they're not perfect, can be developed
at the next level. But something that I feel like
you got to head start with with this player, especially
in a rotational role.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
So I like No Williams a lot.

Speaker 3 (33:34):
I know I had to shout him out too, because
I know Judge on our network likes him a lot.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
He's a big fan one of his guys.

Speaker 3 (33:39):
So I couldn't go through this show talking about corners
without mentioning him in. But Jake, I want to give
you the opportunity to mention any other corners you like.
If we didn't touch upon any anyone you might think
be flying under the.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
Radar or just really whoever you like.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
This is just free form discussion about dudes we like,
man and that's what draft season is all about.

Speaker 1 (33:59):
Love it. I think one one thing to worry about
or to a player that has been going really quietly
as Maxwell Harriston, He's got some off the field concerns
that have come up lately, and I think that's really
going to affect where he gets drafted. I really liked
him as a player, and so I thought he'd be
a really nice fit for the Bills with his really
good zone player, but showed some ability to and he

(34:21):
has the athletic ability to play some man as well.
But I don't know if he's just off the Bills
board because of the off field stuff. But some later
round guys that are interesting are are Zia Alexander from
lsu Quincy Reiley of Louisville. Those two guys I think
are are more of like the Bills of old type corners,

(34:43):
you know, like what they would want at c B two,
like cover three type guys, deep deep zone cover guys,
but they have more length that so kind of more
like Rasseul Douglas type for there's six one six two
one ninety five and have some good ball skills, but
just don't have that athletic profile that you would want

(35:06):
from a you know, first second round corner. I think
those guys are going to be, you know, around the
fourth round type. But if that's your second dip at
corner and that's your CB three, you know, the future,
I think you could do a hell of a lot
of words.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
Oh yeah, and that's and that's what you're gonna find
when you get into the fourth round looking for a
corner right, there's going to be clearcut limitations. So it's
just kind of a choose your own adventure of what
traits you want and what do you think is going
to elevate you the most. I'll say this about Zia Alexander.
There's been some really nice reps in run support, and
I think that's a plus for the Bills and something
that I think they would really value, especially talking about again,

(35:41):
do you have to come in and are we going
to be in the third and mid range situation where
there's still a threat to run and can we trust
you to tackle effectively? Like if he can do that
even though the frame isn't the biggest but not bad,
I'm okay with it with him. So I like Zye Alexander.
He's someone I also have on my list and I
think would be on the Bills radar and like fourth
round maybe fifth round something around there. But yeah, this was,

(36:02):
you know, on my list. I feel like we covered everyone.
I don't think we talked much about Darien Porter and
Azure Thomas and real fascist Darian Porter. You know, the
age is something that I think people are like kind
of weary about, especially paired with kind of how much
experience he has at his position, but he started. Yeah,
it's it's it's limited for sure, but I think the

(36:24):
build he has that again, the trades he has, side speed, combo,
I think, like sloppiness in man coverage, maybe not being
disciplined one. He's a project, right, So this is probably
the pick that I think people would equate the most
to something like a like like a kyri Elam. Hopefully not,
you know, especially because this guy has a little more
age to him. But I mean, I'd be remiss to

(36:45):
not mention him because I feel like if you do
trust this team to develop defensive backs, try to get
into play a more discipline game. I think this is
a player you could take a flyer on, and I
have a feeling might fall to the end of second
maybe early third, mid third round, just given some of
those negatives. And then Thomas is just someone that again
like you brought him up a little bit earlier. But
this dude's a man freak. Like he's so fun to watch.

(37:05):
He's aggressive, razor sharp, uses his hands, jams, will stay
attached to your hip, doesn't give up much. Cushion tries
to play on the ball as often as he can,
but if you need him to come from death heat can.
I think he has great read, great field vision, the
ability to time well. Again, just limitations and maybe some
of his like maybe some of his run defense if
you're concerned about over pursuit or being out of position.

(37:27):
But I do like him a lot, and I think
he's someone that again maybe falls in the second round
and you can get your hands on him, I'd be
stoked about it.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
But that's everyone.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
I think both those guys are those guys are both
my ideal targets with the second round picks. I think
for sure, I think you know high upside traits, you know, developmental,
you know, and and then they give you the scheme versability, versatility. Right,
they're already shown the ability to run press man. It's
it's then can you how much can you get out

(37:57):
of them in the in the zone coverage reps? And
how quickly can they pick that up? But yeah, both
those guys I really like. And for a guy who's
played so little in porter, like he started seven of
twelve games last year, but like he was a wide
receiver his first three years for people who don't know,
and then he's been a rotational corner the last two.
But he really does like come up and play the run,

(38:19):
like he really will tackle and so I think those
are the things like you worry about with a guy
transitioning like that are not playing a ton. But you know,
I didn't see that. Like he is, he's willing, he
wants to get stick his nose in there, and yeah, man,
the freaky traits. I mean, he is the freak of freaks, six',
four you, know over two hundred and runs like the Win.
Man SO i think he'd be a really cool.

Speaker 3 (38:41):
PROJECT i THINK i THINK i subtracted to itches from
his height WHEN i wrote him down here at him
at six, two and even THEN i still was, like,
hell yeah those.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
Are good to, half that's a good.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
Build so, yeah great conversation on the, Corners, dick AND
i love hearing your takes on. Them AND i want
to keep it to the secondary and move on to
safety and again my safety work.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
Bit it's been LIKE i haven't gone.

Speaker 3 (39:03):
As in depth on the class full, disclosure just BECAUSE
i feel, like, WELL i think they are going to take.
SOMEONE i think it's going to be rotational, again someone
that might have the ability to center field play a
little bit, Deeper but have you know again that, versatility
the ability to play box or up clost to the.
Line and there were only so many THAT i looked
at as kind of like in my, eyes PEOPLE i

(39:24):
would want The bills to. Draft so there's probably players
out there that might have different size profiles or people
have different preference for, it could be on other people's.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
Lists BUT i want to turn it back to you
before we get deeper in this.

Speaker 3 (39:34):
Conversation your thoughts on the safety class and what players
you like for The, bills whether it's the top end
or in the mid.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
Rounds, Yeah i've gone back and forth with, this like
how much of a thing is it for? THEM i
don't know. It saw Like Nick wright and his mock
draft had The bills taking a safety with their thirtieth,
pick AND i just don't see them investing that much in.
IT i think they like the room they. HAVE i
think they invested a lot lot With bishop. Already and

(40:03):
THEN i think they Like, rap AND i Think rap
showed that he you, know he got better and he's
he's you, know above average. STARTER i think quality back.
THERE i JUST i don't know If rap And bishop
are a good pairing to bring out their strengths in each.
OTHER i do really love The Derek forest. SIGNING i
loved him coming out of, college AND i think he

(40:24):
provides that athletic profile that you want and the flexibility
to play deep but also come. Up AND i think
he's more of A he's a better pairing with Either
bishop or RAP i don't necessarily think those two are
the best pairing. Together and THEN i Think hamlin provides
you a nice, floor like if he's your safety you,
know three, four you could do a hell of a lot.

(40:45):
Worse and you, know we know he can play quality special.
Teams SO i don't know if they need to add.
ANYTHING i don't know if they want to add anything
to that. Room and that's my only, Concern like if
someone falls and they're sitting, there then maybe they take.
ONE i definitely think they could up grade the, room
BUT i just don't know if they feel like they need.
To we didn't even talk about Cam lewis as your you,

(41:06):
know safety, five you, know ultimate utility, guy you, know
in a. Pinch BUT i like some of these. SAFETIES
i think there's some there's some starting potential here and
probably all the way to the mid, rounds like probably eight,
nine nine guys deep in this class that could you,
know come in and fight for a starting. Job my
only concern IS i just don't know if The bills

(41:28):
want to upgrade.

Speaker 3 (41:29):
There, YEAH i think you, know bringing Back hamlin to,
me wasn't the kiss of death for this, pick for
potentially picking a safety in the Draft classess what they paid, him?

Speaker 2 (41:39):
Right, yeah like basically that.

Speaker 3 (41:41):
Minimum if it wasn't that, MINIMUM i can't even remember
the details of the, contract but it wasn't a. Lie
AND i think that's not going to limit them from
taking a safety in this.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
Class WHAT i.

Speaker 3 (41:49):
Will say is if they, DIDN'T i don't think they're
gonna feel totally you, know pressed or stressed or.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
WHATEVER i think they would be comfortable with that room
and the forest.

Speaker 3 (41:59):
SIDE i really is interesting because that's a BIG x
factor and something THAT i, say if this guy stays
on the, field he has all the tools to be very.
Successful when you talk about what The bills want of their,
safeties which, is can you play THE dp, path can
you play closer to the, Line can we move you?

Speaker 2 (42:12):
Around can you cover in the? Slot like we want
you to? Do?

Speaker 3 (42:15):
Everything really like and with a guy of his athletic,
profile you know they would ask.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
It it's just a matter if he could stay.

Speaker 3 (42:21):
Healthy so if they really do value this guy the,
way you, know at the very, least if they value
him enough to give him true starting, snaps then they
might not.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
Go safety early.

Speaker 3 (42:31):
On, however if they don't and they feel like he's
a camp body with room to prove, himself and then you,
know if he does and you draft, someone Then handlin's
the odd man. Out THEN i could see some situation
where they might go a little earlier.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
If they feel that that's a likely.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
Scenario but regardless of whatever happens with the room, ITSELF
i think there are pieces in this draft that would
make sense for The. Bills and there's a few NAMES
i can highlight, here But i'm just going to highlight
one right now because he's probably my favorite, one not
for the fact THAT i don't like the, others BUT
i just feel like if you put this guy in
The bills, defense he continues to fortify the physicality that

(43:04):
they are trying to establish with their whole, roster the
hard hitting, nature but also the, fluidity the athletic, profile
the ability to kind of keep defenses on their toes
because you can line them. Up, REALLY i don't want
to say, everywhere because he has more deep field snaps
than he does closer to the. Line but someone THAT
i think could, develop and That's andrew. Mcoobaugh like he
is a PLAYER i absolutely adore at someone THAT i

(43:26):
think slots. IN i got him here at five, eleven
one hundred and eighty, six a centerfielder option who has
great athleticism and coverage. Ability he can play closer up
to the, line but he played deeper half most of the.
Time but when he did or when he was in the,
center he was. AWESOME i mean his ability to close
on certain receivers if they're in the open field is,
there make plays on the, ball be able to move,
around be able to backpedal and then switch with his.

(43:49):
Hips like there is everything to like about this, player
and he's someone THAT i know The bills have met.
With got TO i wrote it down, here And i'm
mad THAT i actually just blanked on it in the
middle of the episode BECAUSE i was going to cite.
IT i believe they worked, Him, yes they had a
private workout with, Him that's what it. Was so that
makes me happy BECAUSE i really Like mkuba AND i
would really like him in the.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
SECONDARY i see the vision for.

Speaker 3 (44:09):
Him and, again if you are looking for a safety
with more of a traditional deeper role and someone that
even though you will move him, around rotate him a,
bit but you want to feel comfortable with that, ability
that's someone THAT i think right away as a slam.
Dunk and WHY i like it too is because if
you do happen to have a situation where you want
to now whether it's in a dime look and roll

(44:30):
with three safeties or if you want to just go
with cover two of some kind and you want to
move your safeties, Around bishop now gets the opportunity to
kind of show his skill set a little bit closer,
up which is WHERE i think he's at his, best
at least right. Now so you're unlocking another player by
taking this. Player this is just someone THAT i feel
like would be a home. RUN i have no idea
where the hell he's going to. Go they originally set

(44:51):
fourth round. Potential i'm seeing people say as high as day,
two if The bills did, this or Maybe i'm gonna
frame it this way because if this ends up, HAPPENING
i want to have something to clip off in the
future SO i can look smart even Though i'm. Not
but if they do trade into the third round or
back up into the third round and take this, GUY
i will be over the.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
MOON i Love andrew.

Speaker 3 (45:11):
MCCOUBA i think he makes a ton of, sense and
this is just a player that he just feels like
A bill. Like he fits the. MENTALITY i want this
player on The Buffalo. Bills, Jake i'm SORRY i had
to go on my, crusade my my monologue For andrew.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
Mccuba but who else do you like that you think
they could?

Speaker 1 (45:27):
Draft, NO i think you nailed it with. HIM i
think he's one of the few guys that actually fits
what The bills don't. HAVE i Think forest is probably
the closest thing to a deeper safety of the ability
to play that you don't want. To you, Know rap's
been okay at, it but him And hamlin were just
so slow to. React they Don't they don't have the
athletic aleticism to cover the opposite side of the field

(45:50):
and get over there in time that they can't click and.
Close and so, Yeah i'd love for them to bring
in a guy Like andrew, mccooba who could do that
and then you Let bishop and play in the box
and depending on the, formations you, know you could go
to three safety. Sets but, YEAH i really liked him
a lot. Too you, know not a true deep safety,

(46:10):
guy but a guy WHO i, think without, injury would
be a first round talent Is Kevin Winston. Junior AND
i wonder where he falls and if that's something The
bills might, Say, hey we'll take a shot at you
and and maybe not even worry about playing you right,
away but bring you along and develop you and next
year you would be starting. Safety you, know he's not
a you, know deep, safety but he can play. Everywhere

(46:33):
he's athletic, enough six,' two, you know he comes up,
and hits he plays the, ball well really. Good tackler
so he's another interesting one. To me there's there's a
lot more guys that are better in the box or,
you know coverage guys than necessarily. Deep safeties there's not
a lot of deep safeties in, this CLASS so i
think That's where andrew mccooba really separates himself from the

(46:55):
rest of the guys in.

Speaker 3 (46:56):
This class there's another ONE that i think we should,
mention too and he's been linked To. THE bills i
think it Was mel kiper's mock draft that had him
going to us in the, second round And That's. Xavier
WATTS and i do Really like. WATTS too i have to.
Mention him he's Another player i'd be perfectly fine with.
THEM taking i like, HIS bild i like the experience
as a, deeper SAFETY and, i, think again another quick
processing safety who HAS the iq to play and be

(47:18):
able to communicate and mix coverage just with but someone
who also has the ability to, close someone the ability
to recognize and be, able to, you know kind of
come from death and hit someone in the open field
or at least make a play on the ball if
you need the safety help over, the top someone who
could come to the someone who could come up closer
to the line and be able to, make plays whether
that's out on, the flat whether that's out.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
In, the slot somewhere along.

Speaker 3 (47:38):
The line this is a GUY that i, feel like
even though he's more of a, deeper guy could develop
into a.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
Versatile piece and HE'S someone i also like For, the
BILLS and i have to mention.

Speaker 3 (47:46):
Him too there's just something about mccoover's GAME that i,
WATCH it i just like it's like a. Fuck yeah
every time you see him make, a, hit man there's
just some level of it, that, like dude watch.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
Do it he's just like a.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
Dog. Man, yeah well you Can't, watch texas, you know play.
On defense they obviously they have a ton, of, guys
Right but I'm watching John, Ay baarn i'm watching some
of the guys on, the line, You Know, alfred. Collins
Whatever but macuba just. Pops. Everywhere man you just see
him make plays in. Big, hits yeah he's.

Speaker 3 (48:13):
Just watch and like, and again like, you know if
you have worries about his frame as a, RUN defender
i would. Understand that, but like there's just gonna just
picture a safety Blitz with, Andrew mccubaugh like that's that's
my retort. To anything it's just imagine what one of
those would look like and how hard he hit, a
Quarterback and i'd, Be sold like that would fill me
with so. Much JOY so i love, The PLAYER but

(48:33):
i mean there's others on here we could, Go OVER
like i know they brought they had Conversations With, billy
BOWMAN and i do.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
Like him the frame does.

Speaker 3 (48:40):
Worry me but this is another PERSON who i think plays,
above it plays, with aggression can, Over, pursue, yeah yeah
and he can, over pursue he Can, Missus MARK but
i think that just is a kind of a reflection
of that motor he.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
PLAYS with, i mean what do you Think About billy?

Speaker 1 (48:55):
BOWMAN too i, like him and, YOU know I like,
watts TOO and I think wats is. A maker to
go back to him a, little BIT because i think
these guys are relatively similar as far as how they're
gonna project. GOING forward i think they're more of like,
zone slots, nickel SAFETIES like i don't necessarily think they're like,
every down, you know deep. Deep safeties and so That's

(49:18):
where i'm just interested to see What the bills want
to do with the SAFETY because i feel like that's
more of a redundant skill set than of what they
already Have with Bishop. And rap and maybe that's a
signal too that they're looking to, replace them, you know
and get ahead. Of it i'm, not sure or they
want to see something different or hedge their Bed against

(49:38):
bishop's lack of like, you know showing progression. So far,
but yeah those guys to me just seem more repetitive
skill sets instead of necessarily like adding something different to.
The room it's NOT that i don't like. THE players
i think they're very. GOOD players i, just again those
would raise more questions for me than necessarily.

Speaker 3 (49:57):
ANSWER questions i get a completely you don't, want REDUNDANCY
and i think there is the need to have someone
who again just shows you more promises a, deeper safety
because it unlock your other players.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
You want it's kind of like Hide, to, Poyer right
like they both could do a lot of the same
Things they, You know poyer could play deep if he,
needed to but that wasn't, his, Strength right he was
much better, coming forward playing in, the box lining up against.
Tight ends and then You know hyde, was better, you
know as the deep safety between, the two but he
could totally come up play in, the box line up against,
tight ends things. Like that, so yeah the versatility, is

(50:30):
nice but you need somebody, WHO can, i think excel
at the deep, safety PART and i just don't know
who that. Is yet Maybe That's, derek FORREST but i
haven't seen That from rap and definitely haven't seen That from.

Speaker 3 (50:41):
Bishop yet rap's a hard Hitter and i'll give him
credit for the place he, did MAKE but i also think,
right now the way the room's constructed again as, we
talked as we mentioned when we opened up, this conversation
it's not a dire need to. Add SOMEBODY but i
do think if you get the opportunity to find, a
compliment you, take it because then that's just going, to
again it's going to fill the room. Out nicely and

(51:01):
THEN what i like about it is if that deeper
safety is someone that does happen, to what, let's say
get hurt or have to come off the field because they.
Are developing that's what you Brought in forest for low,
leverage guy but someone that can play. The position you've
seen him play the Position, in washington and you've seen
him play it quite well prior to injuries and a whole.
Regime change so it feels like that room is is,
the floor it's the four and, the ceiling. You know

(51:23):
Contingent on bishop's continue development IN, the NFL because i
definitely think there's a lot more to his game that
we have yet, to see and really it's just a
matter of how. He develops the further away he is
from the line. Of SCRIMMAGE but i think, his development
paired with what you have in, the room leads it
to already be like a perfectly fine, forward room a
perfectly fine safety room that you can. Coach up but
go get a sick Guy like, andrew mccooba and you

(51:45):
can make it, even more even. More fun THAT'S what.
I think i'm that might be the guy that might
be This, Year's OKAY so I Champion dwayne carter last
YEAR and i kind of looked like bad for it
because he didn't have a great. Rookie year, BUT listen
i still believe in him to the. Same way i'm
going To champion andrew mccooba is my guy in this.
YEAR'S draft i have formally claimed him on, This, show

(52:05):
jake do you have anyone else you want to mention
it safety before we come back TO the d line
and then close out.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
The Discussion, UH no i think that's pretty. Much it
we can move on TO the, d, line MAN because
i know we got a lot of guys we want to.
Get to.

Speaker 3 (52:18):
We do we got plenty of people, on here and
we'll start with the interior. Defensive line plenty of options
here and kind of like your conversation or our conversation
we just had on the topic you brought up where
you were mentioning that there were a lot of like
closer to the line box safety's nickel guys in the.
Safety room that's kind of what it feels like for
free tech in, This draft like there are a lot
of really talented pass rush savvy three techs that can

(52:41):
play really stout, run defense but also not as, Many
ones and that's typically how it goes because one is
a MORE like i don't want to call it a,
niche position but you want the flexibility of a three
who gives you pass. Rush juice those are, usually like
at least from what, we've seen guys that are, Highly
scouted and if there is a one tech that provides
you with, serious push they're probably freaking going in the
top ten because that's just how it. Always goes but in,

(53:03):
THIS class i think there are a variety, of options mainly,
at three but some at one that you could find
in the back end of the, first round. SECOND round
i am interested to hear some of the players that
you really like from this defensive, line class specifically.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
The interior do.

Speaker 1 (53:16):
You want, to, start like how do you want to,
frame this do you want to start with one tech, type,
guys uh or guys that have the ability that might
play three tech but could could hold up as a,
One tech because that's the. Other question Do the bills
want to invest significantly in a true one tech or
do they want a guy more Like Day kwon jones
who's a penetrating, you know, you know a, tweener, essentially

(53:39):
right he's not a one tech? Right? Exactly yeah or
do they want a guy who's More, like starletoule who
would be more, you know one tech but has pass.

Speaker 3 (53:48):
Rush upside let's open it up With that bill's one,
tech conversation so those like converted three slash three one
hybrids and then take me to the one text UI
and i can already think of one one tech.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
That's a first round off AND who i.

Speaker 3 (54:00):
Absolutely love he was the thumbnail of last, Week's episode
so perfectly fair if you want to get.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
To him, but yeah frame it. That way let's go in.

Speaker 1 (54:07):
That, order man you set me up to have to
know who the thumbnail of last week's.

Speaker 3 (54:10):
Episode, was, sorry yeah that WAS totally i just realized
you probably wouldn't, know THAT so i could just.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
Spoil It It's. Kenneth. Grant.

Speaker 1 (54:16):
Good, Sorry yeah so my only Issue With kenneth GRANT
is i honestly don't think he gets past fourteen. OR
fifteen i know that's not the point of, the, show
right the points to just talk about guys because who
knows how they're. Gonna FALL but i think if he's
there at, Twenty four i'm trading up to go, get
him because he's like a perfect fit For. The bills,

(54:37):
you know he's stout against the run penetration style but
has some legit pass rush upside and that's really hard
to find at the one. Tech POSITION so i think
he'd be a home. RUN selection i know a lot
he's a trendy mock To the bills, at THIRTY but
i just don't know if he even gets close. To
that and that's kind of my Concern With. Kenneth grant
it's not about how. HE plays I think i really

(54:59):
enjoy how. HE plays i just don't think he gets
To the bills. AT thirty i think another guy who's
Interesting Is. Derek carmon if you're talking about, a tweener
you know he started as a one tech then moved
over to three tech because he kind of you could
argue he got beat out by the other two guys on,
his squad one of them, being, called well who's gonna

(55:20):
be drafted? As well he's probably gonna be a, Day late,
day two early day three guys him like. Fourth, round,
yeah exactly that's RIGHT where i see. HIM too i really.
Like him man if If the bills wait to go
and they, GET him i would. Be ecstatic there's some
other guys we can talk about later that are similar,
to him but he's more of a true, one, Tech
Right So derek carmon gives you the ability though, to penetrate,

(55:41):
pass rush hold the point. Of attack he's played anywhere
from five tech to, one tech AND so i Think
If derek, harmon's there that's that's another really. Nice one
another TWEENER that i think you know is right There
Is darius Alexander. FROM toledo i think he's a guy
who who you know. Three ten he was a Little At,
senior BOWL so i want to know what he. Actually

(56:02):
plays but he's plenty strong enough man, older prospect really
can hold the point, of attack can take on. Double
teams but he's more of your. Penetrating style he makes
plays in, the backfield and he dominated At The, senior
bowl and so that's another one of. THOSE tweeeners i,
think that, you know if we're talking in the, first
ROUND who i can See the.

Speaker 3 (56:19):
Bills, take yeah all NAMES that, i think, you know
we've thrown around on, this show on, other shows but.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
It's worth mentioning them because they.

Speaker 3 (56:26):
Feel Realistic like i'll Start with harmon just because again
we briefly Brought Up, kenneth GRANT and i do think
it's growing more likely he doesn't fall To the bills,
at Thirty, BUT god i want him to because then
it would be really sick if they, got HIM because.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
I just think.

Speaker 3 (56:39):
HE'S raw i find like when you, watch him it
feels like there are reps where he just completely destroys
the line, of scrimmage even if he's, doubled up and
he gets great push and he can generate pass, rush
prowess and he has a stable anchor and, run DEFENSE
which i think is probably his best trait. Right now
but then there are times where he just doesn't really
pose much of a pass, rush threat and maybe it's
just because he doesn't have a counter move to when

(57:00):
someone's blocking him the gun under his pads and they
control him. A BIT so i think that's something he'd
have to develop at the. Next level but when, he
wins he, Freaking wins so you can live. With that
and if it's just with power as a, One tech i'm.
With it so HE'S someone i.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
Really Like but.

Speaker 3 (57:13):
I'll Start With darius alexander because he's SOMEONE that i
feel like people again get a little turned off by
because of.

Speaker 2 (57:18):
The age but this guy he.

Speaker 3 (57:19):
Can play, and yeah he had a lot of three
tech three, tech REPS but i do think he has
the ability to Play a bills one tech where he
can line up as that.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
Tweener role he could take on.

Speaker 3 (57:29):
Double teams he has a good anchor and, run defense
but he also has. Alignment versatility if you want to
line him up. Out wide he actually can do that for,
you too if you want to put him in as
like a three tech and have opposite ed if you
want to go that route and have that type, of
front you could do that as well. With him there's
a lot to Like About, darius ALEXANDER and i think
the way he plays at would just be entirely contingent
on If the bills take him and what do they

(57:50):
want out. Of him but he seems like a, multiple
PROSPECT and i, JUST again i like the violence off.
THE line i think he's someone you could eventually emerge
into a three. Down player but even, if not my
whole stance on defensive tackle Has been i'm totally cool
if the two down player is good at being a two,
down player BECAUSE.

Speaker 1 (58:07):
See i think with, HIM though i think the Problem
With darius alexander was more the scheme than necessarily. HIS
ability i think his pass rush ability is, really THERE
and i think part of the problem is what they
were asking him. To Do so i'd be interested, To,
SEE like i don't think he'll have an issue being
a three down player at the, next LEVEL and, i think,
if anything you would want to bring in more of

(58:29):
a run stopping. One tech, you know whether he's a,
rotational guy you know, is fine but with him and
so you have the, rotational guy Whether That's daikwan jones,
this year, that's fine but they more play, on rundowns
and then You Have darius alexander playing, you know more
of passing down scenarios lined up next to.

Speaker 3 (58:48):
Ed some some awesome Comments that i'm seeing in the
CHAT and i wait, this one watch just Go Small
walter nolan AND an.

Speaker 1 (58:54):
I Love walter. NOLAN man i think that's an interesting
thing too though For the bills with this deep defensive,
line class they want to get pass rush and they
want to get in with. The INTERIOR and i think
part of the problem Is is ed is having to play
too many snaps and too many snaps on. Early downs
AND so i think if they could find a GUY
who i don't want to say is, like him but

(59:15):
You Know walter nolan, esk right who provides a lot
of the same ability, as him, you know high floor stopping,
the run but, can penetrate can can shows the flashes
or ability to pass rush. As well you could have
a rotation and the falloff, isn't huge especially as you,
develop him but it allows you again to go back
to what you wanted, to do which is originally which
Is Get greg russo back, reducing inside, you know Get

(59:38):
aj epanessa being able to reduce inside, as well like
you have both on. The outside like have them line
up Next, to ed have them line up next To A,
DARIUS Alexander A, Walter NOLAN like i think having more
of those pass rush type defensive tackles allows you to
do more of that instead Of having ed be, you,
know exhausted you know when he gets the pass, rushing

(59:59):
downs you don't have the bodies that can. Do it
you're bringing In, uh phillips, you know to.

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
Do that so and if you're not comfortable with the
Trajectory Of, dwayne carter if you're not comfortable with the
Fact That ogan joby has a six game, suspension two,
then yeah you are going to need that rotational three
tech to boost the four of that room and to
provide that Support, for ed something THAT again i think
they were gonna Do with larry primarily, not yeah even
over a draft pick before, the suspension and now they

(01:00:26):
have to kind of, make it make it something that,
they address kind of similar TO how i see them
addressing corner where they might double.

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
Dip at this position too later in.

Speaker 3 (01:00:34):
The round even if it's like with five, picks total
two of them could go to, defensive tackle maybe they
GO one tech AND three Tech because.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
David could see them carry five THOUGH like i could
totally see them. Carry five they were heavy at it,
Last YEAR like i don't think you want a lot
of reps Going To larry, ogunjobi anyways when he. Comes back,
YOU know i think you want to get the most out.
Of him AND then i don't think you want to
give a lot of Reps To dwayne. CARTER either i
don't think he's, earned IT and i, YOU know i
do worry like where he's going, To EXCEL like i

(01:01:03):
don't think he's a great run DEFENDER and i don't
know what his ceiling is as a. Pass rusher so it's,
you know they got to figure out how they want to.
Use HIM but i wouldn't want, to Say like i'm
putting my eggs in the basket that he's going to
be my dtackle three to start the season.

Speaker 3 (01:01:18):
OR whatever i agree, with THAT and i think right
now that's a fair position to have because, to me
what he is right now is kind of a very
hyper embodiment of What the bills, look for but to
a fault where it's like it's either pure havoc or nothing,
at all where he gets, blown back and it's a
very consequential outcome because there's place where he tears through
the d line and tears through the line and you
see him in the backfield and he penetrates and he

(01:01:40):
and he makes his mark and he gets, the tackle
and you kind of see him create disruption where if
it's someone else that's got to do, the cleanup but he.
Was there and then there's times where he's on a,
double team he can't get through it and he gets
pushed back and just creates a. Huge gap and that's
kind of the Duality Of dwane carter, right now where
he needs, To stabilize but can you trust that?

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
To stabilize that's the question we.

Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
All have so is it worth it to find a
rotational three tech later on in the draft that can
do that? For you or is it even worth it
to find another stout run defender and plug up the
middle with two bigger bodies and be able to kind
of have that gap integrity where you don't have to
worry about getting pushed back in the run at all
and setting up your pass rush with stout, run defense
which IS why i want to bring up a Guy Like, tyleek,
williams who, to me that's similar To how i've kind

(01:02:23):
of Talked about amos as being someone you just plug
in and, you know he's going, to play and he's
going to have a high enough four to be a
quality player opposite of the rest of your and the
Case Of amos Secondary, for williams he's a guy who
you plug in at one tech and he's just going
to be that one. Tech presence he's going to be
the guy that is going to absolutely maintain your, gap
integrity be able to hold, his anchor be able to

(01:02:44):
stop runs if they're trying to come up, the middle
disrupt runs if they try running zone or gap he can.
Get around it's not like he doesn't have any push.
At all it's just that there's questions about the development
of him as a pass rusher IN. The nfl, but
again if this guy is truly just a two down,
run stuffer he's a damn good one AND one i
would trust because that sets you up really well for,
third down.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
Which is where they need to.

Speaker 3 (01:03:05):
Win consistently and also the opportunity to not let teams
control you at the line, of scrimmage be able to,
you know mitigate, opposing runs, opposing rushes and then all
of a sudden you have better situations for your offense
that wants to control. A game so that to me
is almost like a, safe, Pick RIGHT like.

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
I THINK because i think one of the things that
have been most, frustrating is you know the way that
the Scheme that bills play with. Smaller linebackers you know
that that, you know flow and crash and you, know
penetrate like you need guys on the line that can
hold their blockers and eat, up blockers and so, you
know we haven't really had the true one tech that

(01:03:44):
demands double teams and and, you know can eat up.
Multiple GAPS and i think that's something that would really
benefit the linebackers too and run defense and AND so
i would love a Guy Like tyler williams for. THAT
reason i just don't know where, you know that's the
guy you'd probably go with your second. Round pick, BUT
yeah i think if, That's yeah and, for me it's

(01:04:06):
a weight thing, With HIM like I think i've watched
a lot of tape. ON him i Went To, ohio
STATE so i Watched Every ohio. State, GAME like i
think part of the issue with him is just what
do they want him to? Play at what do they
want his weight to? Play at and he shows flashes
of being able to. PASS rush i just don't know
how much they asked him to, Do, it like he
has a really good, underarm rip he can get skinny in,

(01:04:27):
The lane he's got really really, heavy hands shows really
good timing to stack and shed at the, right time
AND so i really. Like him but is He a bills?
Type guy is my. Only question Same With, jamari caldwell.
SAME thing i think those would be guys that, are
great they make everyone else in the line better, Around them,
but yeah those aren't traditionally Who the bills.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
Go after and what Is a bills type guy? This
year that's The question we've been asking the offseason and
what you posed when we got. Into it what does that?

Speaker 3 (01:04:54):
Look like do they go with a typical profile or
do they try to get into some size and try
to really find someone who can fortify by Using mass, like.

Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
Well we asked, them though like it's the same thing at,
Corner right we, asked, like, oh well do they want
to go? More man do they want to go get?
More versatile and then They Signed Dan jackson and then
same thing WITH the. D line, it's like do they
want to go, more versatile do they want to? Get
bigger do they want to true one tech and then
They Signed, Larry ogunjobi like so they did the opposite
of what, you know we thought.

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
They did try.

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
They did they brought, him in but he don't get
me sorry with him as far as if that's, your
answer like, you know HE'S Your d tech five, or
whatever maybe, Practice squad, BUT yeah i think as far
as at least a, you know a true, one tech
he's at. Least there he has the size. For it,
BUT yeah i just, you know they haven't showed us
that they want to do these. Things yet this is

(01:05:47):
what we're hoping, they, Do right, AND man i, DON'T
know i don't mind investing as much capital as possible
IN the. D line i think that's the achilles heel
for them in in, you know every year and all
these runs is the lack of. Pass rush and you
could argue part of that has been the lack of
coverage supporting the, pass rush but it's still been the

(01:06:09):
lack of pass rush that has really really hurt them
when it comes to.

Speaker 3 (01:06:12):
The, playoff yes and a big thing lack of pass
rush and also inconsistency and keeping their linebackers queen and
putting them bines where either they have to sell out
and get their linebackers closer to, the line and they
don't have the flexibility to keep them to be able
to play from death or drop back into. Coverage CONSISTENTLY
when i thought this McDermott defense truly looked its absolute
best was that first half of twenty twenty Three Before

(01:06:33):
daikwon Jones and molano.

Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
Got, hurt yeah that.

Speaker 3 (01:06:36):
Was poetry when he came to them winning, with four
them creating absolute havoc in the interior and their linebackers
kept queen in the.

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
Second level and they want to do. That again so
how do you do? That?

Speaker 3 (01:06:47):
Again now, to me a guy like a peer run
stuff or two down player that then offers you the
opportunity at this stage in the Game With daikwon jones
being at, his age is bringing in him for, you
know those third down situations as a pass rusher and
then early having a. Run supporter that to me is
one way you can, do IT and i think that
does offer you the ability to not have to, sell
out not have to stack the bucks, a box win

(01:07:08):
with four and then have your linebackers. Room free and
another option if it can't be Someone like williams that we've,
talked about you know here on, the NETWORK but i
like him a Lot and i've actually put a lot
of stock into. The bills potentially taking Him Is, alfred
collins another, guy THAT again i think just fits that
role as massive the interior. Defensive line do you think
he could be a three down player at the. NEXT
level i, don't know but he's got a crazy build

(01:07:31):
and SOMEONE that i would trust to just be a
stout run defender from the jump and be able to free,
things up, because again if this guy is, just stable
able to get, SOME push i would love to see
what he does in a Ligne in.

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
Tanhem With, that Oliver With, greg Russo With.

Speaker 3 (01:07:44):
JOEY bosa i would love to be able to see
one of those edge rushers like you, talked about line
up inside next to him if you. Wanted to where
they used To have russell play like At de Facto,
THREE tech i would love to see them potentially draft an,
edge rusher maybe a, power rusher and do the same
exact thing where they could kick him inside with some
of their edge rushers and then one of the. Big
bodies like there's a lot to like about, Taking mass
like there's a lot to like about prying. That player

(01:08:06):
collins is ANOTHER guy i really LIKE and i think
could fill that. Role well and then SOMEONE that i
think needs development isn't as big as, this GUY but
i think could Man that Bill's one tech role but.

Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
Be Effective Is josh FARMER.

Speaker 3 (01:08:17):
From fsco he's SOMEONE who i also, really LIKE but
i think he's budding as a. Pass rusher but when he,
wins again. He wins he wins, with decisiveness like it's
a player who will get penetration on the line and
CAUs havoc in. The backfield it's just got to be
more consistent from down, to down rep to rep and
not be slowed down or pushed back.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
At.

Speaker 1 (01:08:34):
ALL here i call him chaos like he creates CHAOS
and i really. LIKE him i know he's been linked To.
THE bills i do wonder if he can play one
Tech or bills one tech like you like, you SAID
but i Know the bills really, like him, and yeah
he would be a great rotational piece on the interior

(01:08:54):
and give him, some flexibility. You Know jordan phillips is
another one that's very similar to that as far, as uh,
you know freaky. Athletic ability quick first, step penetration can
play one tech or. Three tech so that's another. INTERESTING NAME.
C j west if you want to. ONE tech i
think he's a guy that could do that in the, later, rounds.

Speaker 3 (01:09:17):
Which by, The Way west west is a is a
disruptor to. A t i know people are really concerned
about the arm length and, the frame but He's.

Speaker 1 (01:09:25):
A bills defensive, tackle though like, one, gap, attack penetrate
disrupt like that is what he is AND and i
think that's where he Fits the. Bills well, but yeah
don't ask him to like hold the point of attack
or two gap, and, yeah, no, no no that's that's asking.
For trouble, but, MAN yeah i mean him Next to
ed would just be chaos man on, early downs like.

Speaker 2 (01:09:48):
Just, chaos, YEAH no i agree. WITH that I like west.

Speaker 3 (01:09:51):
A lot i'm glad You Mentioned jordan phillips just we
had to bring him. Up Once And jordan phillips Is another.
Project guy, but again explosiveness to, his game explosiveness off,
the line and he's a little, bit SHORTER but i
think that helps him with, Pad level like sometimes you
can just trust someone to get under.

Speaker 2 (01:10:05):
Someone's pads there's a player we're gonna site in the edge.

Speaker 3 (01:10:07):
Rusher Group and i'm sure anyone who watches this show
Knows who i'm talking About because i've fallen, over him
like every single WEEK when i talk about.

Speaker 2 (01:10:14):
Edge rushers but, you know the ability to.

Speaker 3 (01:10:16):
DO that i do wonder how versatile you could be
on the line if you can. To gap but if
you are asking him to Play that bill's one tech
Or that bill's interior defensive, lineman position it's a guy
who could create havoc at the line. Of SCRIMMAGE and
i like him as an option if you got him
on day three or probably, DAY three i feel like
there is a chance he could go in the, second
ROUND but i find maybe mid third round is where

(01:10:37):
he ends. Up going that's just, my guess but we'll have.
To SAY but i love this CONVERSATION, About idl and
in the interest, of time we got to get over
to edge rusher or at least just. Edge defender cite
me some that you like some people you know, AGAIN
there i feel like there's gonna be a good amount
of them off. The board but who do? You like
realistic for the bills, earlier rounds later rounds take. A.

Speaker 1 (01:10:58):
Pick yeah so we talked About Skipping, abdul Carter, Mikel Williams,
mike green and what who do you? Think Else. Shamar
stewart probably.

Speaker 3 (01:11:11):
So as someone who hosted a mock draft last week
And Took James pierce junior, AT thirty i still don't
know if he falls, to THIRTY but i guess it's
worth keeping him.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
On the list just in the sake of.

Speaker 3 (01:11:24):
Being CONSISTENT but, I yeah i definitely think the other
players you mentioned are going to be gone by the
time thirty rolls. Around again all great prospects that have
a lot. Of POTENTIAL and i could see the vision
four In the, Bill's defense but That duel carter fell,
to thirty it would mean his foot fell off. His
BODY so i don't think we're going to expect that one.

Speaker 1 (01:11:41):
To happen so it. Almost did he had the footage
that is kind. Of, true yeah, Uh YEAH so i
mean you want To Talk james pierce at All because
i'm probably lower on him.

Speaker 2 (01:11:53):
Than most Oh what i'm interested to? Hear why because
people when we took him, last week there were people
who did not like the pick and THEY feel i
saw something people mentioned one trick pony pure speed rusher
didn't really have a lot in. His bag is that
kind of where you stand on him or do you
have a.

Speaker 4 (01:12:05):
Different, OPINION yeah i worry the he lacks the ability
of speed, to POWER and i think IN the nfl
you have to have the ability to win with power.

Speaker 1 (01:12:17):
Functional strength raw power is just questionable. With him he.
Lacks mass. He's leaned there's no doubt his burst is
elite coming off the line. Of scrimmage but he's a high.
Cut player he's really high in, the HIPS and i
think you can see that with his he's not as
like quick as far as turning, and laterally AND so
i worry, about That and i'm just not sure he

(01:12:40):
can get like become a full pass rusher just because
that lack. Of strength AND so i don't know if
that's A guy i want to invest in a high.
Pick with but at the, same time we're talking late,
first round where You Know ed groot is one of
the rare success stories with a late first, round edge
and so, you know you kind of want a guy
with some tray that you can possibly develop instead of

(01:13:02):
necessarily a high. Floor guy those guys normally don't. Pan
OUT so i could see You know pierce being worth.
THE gamble i just there's some Other guys i'd rather
than Take Over James, PIERS.

Speaker 2 (01:13:16):
Well, I Know.

Speaker 1 (01:13:19):
James.

Speaker 2 (01:13:19):
PIERCE junior i think it's for me just banking on.

Speaker 3 (01:13:21):
The trades like, you, said like this is a GUY
that i think if you do actually develop his frame
a little more at the, pro level does become a
really solid edge rusher opposite. Of group, and again when
you're thinking about what the room looks like right now
with two players on one, Year Deals javon solomon is
kind of a pass rush specialist right now and a
bit of a.

Speaker 2 (01:13:38):
Smaller frame but.

Speaker 1 (01:13:39):
That's kind Of What james peers, is though like, right,
Now right so that's my thing with the, edge classes
what do? They want? Is this, you know aj is
the replacement ESSENTIALLY like dn three, right now and then
you develop him maybe as an upside to be your
your starter Opposite Of greg russo is this a situational
pass rusher only like kind Of? Like solomon like is

(01:14:03):
this a guy you want? To start and so he
has to be able to set the edge and, you
know have the body in the frame the bills typically.

Speaker 3 (01:14:10):
Like right but do you think something about the range he,
plays with because even if he doesn't have, the power
he might have, The length and do you think that
could be developed at the next, Level too like the
that's the, thing too it's, Pick thirty so it's like.
Asking yourself, you know you're you're picking someone who has
some level. Of deficiency they would have gone in the
top five if they were perfect or at least. Top
tier so what is it what is lacking from his

(01:14:31):
overall game that makes you feel that he couldn't BE
or i should say.

Speaker 1 (01:14:35):
So bill specific or just.

Speaker 3 (01:14:37):
IN general i Would say bill specific at this point
Because With James, PIERCE junior i definitely like your points,
are valid not even. To disagree i'm just wondering if
this is the type of player you take as you
think at the next level he does develop some prowess
to set the edge and maybe he gets that power
that you're.

Speaker 1 (01:14:52):
Looking, FOR yeah i think that's just my. Big Question
Is kenny kenny hold up on? The end, You know
kenny hold UP against nfl. Offense tackles can he set?
THE edge i just really worry about that because that
is really important if we're projecting him as, a, starter
right if he's a situational, pass rusher then. That's FINE
but i think that's the difference between like A von

(01:15:14):
miller type who has the speed and the bend to
get around, the edge but has the long arms and
can set the edge and has. THE strength i just
don't know If If james pearce can. DO that i haven't.

Speaker 3 (01:15:25):
Seen, that yeah and that's fair, to QUESTION and i
do wonder the same thing. About Him i'm i'm a
bit bullish, on him just BECAUSE again i think that
frame might be a little, bit slender but also for
SURE he's whatii like at the end of the. First,
ROUND again i think there's more pressing needs than. Edge
rusher we just did it last WEEK because i saw
people pounding. THE table i went with what the, people

(01:15:46):
wanted even though there were other people That were.

Speaker 1 (01:15:48):
Are you ever are you ever mad about swinging at
the END like? I would i don't care If the
bill's draft one with their first pick, every year like
especially you get hit on him and it's, you know it,
pays tenfold, you know and you.

Speaker 2 (01:15:59):
Get one with lean like. Him too that's the.

Speaker 3 (01:16:01):
Other thing then you have two freakishly long, edge rushers
but you also kind of have that With.

Speaker 2 (01:16:04):
That beaneza so, it's like do you want to do?
That again that's the question.

Speaker 3 (01:16:07):
TO ask i want to move On From, pierce junior
but this is INTERESTING and i want to have this
conversation further as we get closer to draft Time.

Speaker 2 (01:16:13):
Because I'm again.

Speaker 3 (01:16:14):
I'M bullish i think people are right to be hesitant, on,
him though but this is just a traits. Based pic
this is LIKE how i Feel About, dion WALKER where
i see every red flag people are saying about.

Speaker 2 (01:16:23):
Him come loud. And clear but what if? It works
you KNOW what?

Speaker 3 (01:16:26):
I Mean and i'm annoying like that with draft TIME
because i want these guys. To succeed SO if i
see six foot seven, D tackle, i'm like, all right
let's just teach him how to play a little bit
lower and maybe this dude will be unstoppable and how
much fun would?

Speaker 2 (01:16:38):
That Be, but jake other, edge rushers you like people
that you think could be.

Speaker 3 (01:16:42):
Realistic, options again there's a there's a, laundry list but
really some of the ones that you have your eye
on and you like for.

Speaker 1 (01:16:47):
The, Bills SURE so I mean I Think, DONOVAN asaraku
i think is a name that it would be interesting
if we're talking more like pass rush type developmental with
with The Upside mike green if he, somehow falls and
they're okay with some of the off field stuff with
with why he. Might FALL but i think he's. Another

(01:17:11):
Guy nick gordon's really interesting to ME Because I texas
A and m. LIKE that i just don't know with
any of those guys because of the scheme and what
they asked him. To do but you go back To
his purdue tape AND and i think he's really dynamic
and has a lot more juice than he showed against,
you know when he PLAYED with A. And M and

(01:17:31):
i think he does have a high end ability to set,
the edge stop. The run he's six y four to.
EIGHTY five i think he could even trim down a.
Little bit AND so i really like him as a as.
An Option the bills have been Linked to Land. AND
jackson i don't know if you want to get into
him or how you feel, about him, but yeah he's a.

(01:17:52):
BIGGER guy i.

Speaker 3 (01:17:54):
Like him, BUT again i think some of the concerns
about high cut and also again how he develops as
a pass usher are fan to say because he is a,
huge frame but he's someone that doesn't typically play up to,
his FRAME and i wonder how much he has in
his bag at the pro level because the reach, is
there the length.

Speaker 2 (01:18:11):
Is there so if he can figure out consistency.

Speaker 3 (01:18:13):
Coming around the edge and being able to kind of
get a bit more bend into his game use his arms,
more effectively, more CONSISTENTLY then i. Like HIM but i
do think the Floor With landon jackson is a decent,
edge setter, good edgesetter and then it just depends on
where you want to take a player, like THAT and
i think there is a chance he could follow to
them in the. Second round so if he was like pick,
Sixty two i'd be okay. WITH that i think at

(01:18:34):
that point you're banking on the trades just like you
would With The James, pears junior but you're not taking
nearly as big of. A RISK and i, like HIM
like i don't dislike. THE player i could see. THE
vision i think there. Are reps he absolutely does show
those flashes, of power and that's something that like you
could buy into as, it's there let's just mold it
and get into play more consistent in a more rotational.

Speaker 2 (01:18:53):
Role Behind A joey bosa in. Year ONE so I Like.

Speaker 3 (01:18:56):
Landon jackson and just to like name another ONE that
i really like a player that they as of today got.

Speaker 2 (01:19:02):
Waked To. BRADEN swinson i.

Speaker 1 (01:19:04):
Love him he's he's. Edge, MAN yeah i really.

Speaker 3 (01:19:09):
LIKE him i don't know if he falls to them
in the, second round but this guy's first step. Is
awesome and when he wins, reps again it's just like
the violence he plays with his hands and, his arms
the length, he has.

Speaker 1 (01:19:19):
His closing speed, just.

Speaker 3 (01:19:22):
Yeah dude they dropped him back into COVERAGE at lsu
and he's dropping back like. Fifteen yards it's not just,
like nonsense like to the flat like. THIS man i
saw him go out for a, Wide REP like i,
was like, holy, shit dude why are you what are
we FIRST off. LSU defense i gotta go back and
watch them more consistently because THE tape i Watched the
swinson some of their alignments were.

Speaker 2 (01:19:40):
Just nuts. It's, insane, yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:19:43):
They really, wide too, and yeah his his snap anticipation
and and get off. Are elite and you'll see like,
they'll bring they'll bring a tight end and even like
detach him from the line to try to chip on
him because he's just so fast off. The, line yeah
but he's a guy who does have the speed. To
power he does have the ball absolutely and man does

(01:20:04):
he just when, he disengages he closes. So fast he's he's.
Really exciting another guy similar, to HIM who, i think
if he was just a, little taller would be first
round Player Is josiah stewart Out. Of michigan another guy just,
the burst, the speed, the motor the closing speed like

(01:20:25):
so fun. To watch but you're talking about, Pass rush
like his pass rush win rate. IS insane i think
it's like mid. Twenty PERCENT and i think he would
be a really. Fun player as far as like YOUR
d n three, Type player i'm not sure he could
be a Starter because i'm not sure how well he
can set the edge against tackles Like the. Bills want,
but man he'd be really. Really fun and if you're

(01:20:47):
talking like, second round, you, know guys these are the
guys you want to swing for and hope they develop a.
Little bit YEAH that.

Speaker 3 (01:20:55):
I see that exact point IS why i don't think
they take HIM because i have a similar Profile and
solomon unless they want to add another one like That
and That's Why i'm it pains, me BECAUSE as i,
MENTIONED before i was gonna hype over, someone again And That's,
david WALKER who i feel like has the same issue.

Speaker 1 (01:21:11):
When you talk, about coming he's a bowl.

Speaker 2 (01:21:13):
And ball, my god he.

Speaker 1 (01:21:15):
Like.

Speaker 3 (01:21:16):
You uh it actually makes me SAD because i Really Liked.
MON solomon i don't want to make it SOUND like
i want to move on, from him but if they
needed just like a, fourth round let's take the flyer.

Speaker 2 (01:21:25):
On him this. Kid RULES but i don't think you
can have too.

Speaker 1 (01:21:28):
Many though that's kind of my argument. To That and
aj is a guy you can get off, of too
like they're not tied to THEM like I just i
just Feel like i'd rather be five deep, at edge,
you know and three of them be pass rush specialists or,
you know two and a half. Or whatever, BUT yeah
i don't think you can have too many, of them
especially the Way the bills play with getting a lead

(01:21:48):
and yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:21:49):
And trying and trying to pursue and try.

Speaker 1 (01:21:52):
And reduce havoc and reduce grew. It, inside yeah reduce
him inside and have three edges on. The, FIELD man
i would love that.

Speaker 2 (01:22:00):
And he would be.

Speaker 3 (01:22:01):
So fun and then if you're talking about kicking any
outside or any edge, rusher, inside like this guy is
a bull. Rush specialist like AND when i was talking
about that lower center, of gravity when he gets under,
your pads he could. Carry you he could carry the
entire offensive line on. His back and that's how much
power this man. Plays with but it's also how explosive
he is off.

Speaker 1 (01:22:19):
The one THAT'S why i call him the Wrecking ball
man because he is.

Speaker 2 (01:22:21):
So.

Speaker 1 (01:22:22):
Sick yeah ANOTHER guy i think is really interesting Is
uh oladajo FROM. U C. L. A, yeah yeah he's
ANOTHER dude i think would be really really fun uh For.
The bills like as far as a, Developmental guy like he's.
A linebacker he played off ball LINEBACKER until i think
two games into this season and they moved him exclusively,

(01:22:45):
to edge, and man he had some. Explosive. Wins, yeah
yeah really really. Fun player as far as, DEVELOPING him
i just don't know, if he's, you know the type
of Guy that. Bills want but give you the versatility
to line him up all over the place and give
you some of those kind of odd. MAN fronts i
think would be really fun with him.

Speaker 2 (01:23:06):
His first full year as an edge RUSHER AT u C.

Speaker 3 (01:23:08):
L a but he looked developed like that was THE
thing i liked about him because you know Advanced, move
yeah it's not just like it's not bul rush bull rush,
bull rush only like there's, some chop there's, some swipe
like you could see him use. His hands it's a
bad level, like yeah like pass rush sustainability, with him
which Is why, i'm like this guy.

Speaker 2 (01:23:27):
IS awesome i would take him in. A heartbeat i.

Speaker 3 (01:23:30):
Got it so in the interest, Of time i'm just
gonna mention one more PLAYER who. I liked then we'll wrap.
It up BUT and I hope i'm saying his last.
Thing Correctly if, I'M not. I APOLOGIZE. But Jt TOY
molau i liked him a lot watching him as a.
Run defender he is a player that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:47):
Dude. Double teams he shots, them consistently like constantly winning
the ability to get under your pads off, of himself
so it would be so it'd. Be great but there's
past rush. Prowess too the power exists with, him TOO
and i. Love that so just ANOTHER player i want
to highlight for the, edge rushers and this is this
was a ton of fun to. TALK about i will

(01:24:08):
bring this Up because whittle is in. The, chat wittle
thank you. For, watching uh how do? YOU say i
actually haven't heard his last. NAME pronounced i Know. It's
ashton I've. Heard, JAWATT yeah i thought It.

Speaker 1 (01:24:16):
Was Jellette but I've heard. Giletti.

Speaker 3 (01:24:18):
TOO yeah i did get a chance to watch a
couple of games, from HIM and i, Will, say wow
it Wasn't. TOO yeah i saw flashes from him where
he just absolutely disrupts on the edge and like the
same kind of premise for some of the run defending
edge rushers, we mentioned like he has that ability.

Speaker 2 (01:24:35):
To win with power and. Get THROUGH so i really liked.

Speaker 3 (01:24:38):
WATCHING that i just wonder about the consistency with him
on play, To play but it's also some of the
games they Played. At louisville it was like a lot
of quick game from. The offense it wasna.

Speaker 1 (01:24:47):
From, him man it was. So inconsistent his get off
and his snap time just were. Not great, BUT yeah i.
GOT it i really. Liked him diverse pass, rush moves
smooth arc a lot Of ben if you're, talking power
he's got a lot. OF power i. Liked him he's
just another one of those middle, round guys you know early.

(01:25:10):
Day THREE maybe i know another guy would have Likes His.
Baron sorel that's, Another Guy ke Robinson. From alabama that's
another guy that, you know that developmental you know early day.
THREE guys i would love to see the bills.

Speaker 2 (01:25:26):
Swing AT and i think. THEY would i definitely keep.

Speaker 1 (01:25:29):
Stocking, the, room right keep stock in, the room keep stocking.

Speaker 3 (01:25:33):
The room but also if you think your other needs are,
more pressing and You think edge really does sit at that,
lower tier or if the board just falls in a
way where you're comfortable Waiting, FOR edge i think they
would sit. On it but they have an abundance of
picks and abundance. Of options that all makes sense when
you talk about what the. Needs are but like we
alluded to when we started, The, episode jake it's gonna
tell us a lot about.

Speaker 2 (01:25:52):
The transition of this defensive scheme and what it.

Speaker 3 (01:25:54):
Turns into how much higher is the, man rate what
type of profile are they finding on the interior defensive
line or at Edge, rush sure do they change it
entirely or do they go with what we know and
just try to make it? Work again all valid questions
that we're just gonna have to see come from. Draft
time but pay attention to the, top thirty pay attention
to some.

Speaker 2 (01:26:10):
Of the meetings. They have it's not a.

Speaker 3 (01:26:12):
Tell all it's not going to be everyone, they take
but it gives you a little crumbs into maybe who they're.

Speaker 2 (01:26:15):
Looking AT and i think it's a lot of fun to.
Watch That so i'm gonna be keeping up. With It,
the jake this. WAS awesome i love just talking.

Speaker 3 (01:26:22):
About prospects we like it is the most fun you
can have doing a live show because it's literally, Just,
like yo this. Dude rules it's just that for an
hour and. A half but this was great and you brought.
Tremendous insight you're an. AWESOME dude i appreciate you coming
here on. Short notice tell the people where they can
find you what you got going on in.

Speaker 1 (01:26:38):
Your, world yeah thanks again for. Inviting ME so i
am the head of analytics Over At. DUDE champions i
host the Show Called The Buffalo blueprint. Sunday nights we'll
be Taking this, sunday Off but sunday, the twentieth we'll
be back and we're going to be doing a lot of,
mock drafts trade, up scenarios trade, back scenarios probably doing

(01:27:00):
some like four round, mock drafts stuff. Like That but
I'm on sundays at eight pm during the, off season
and then i switch when the season, comes On and
i'm usually On a friday Or a saturday to preview
GAMES and i give you more of, the analytics, the inside,
the numbers, the matchups things to, watch for try to
give you a little bit different Angle for. Bills games

(01:27:22):
so thanks again for having. ME on i really, appreciate
it and that's always fun man.

Speaker 2 (01:27:27):
For, sure man you're welcome back.

Speaker 3 (01:27:29):
To anytime and if you guys haven't got a chance
to check Out what jake's doing over on his show
on the Network On, due champions as well as just
following Him, on twitter give him. A follow it's well worth.
Your time he's an. Awesome dude came through in, a
Pinch and i'm happy to be. Back over, You know
you're welcome back. Here anytime and for all of you that,
joined us thank you so much for.

Speaker 2 (01:27:46):
Tuning in we truly appreciate. Your time you all in the,
comment seession we're.

Speaker 3 (01:27:50):
Great tonight thank you for listening to us rant about
players we really liked Next week i'll be back to
do another one final mock Draft With, john helpcap but
this time we are taking a quarter in the first
round no. Matter what So If James pierce ball's again
so bad or, too bad so.

Speaker 2 (01:28:04):
Be it we're going.

Speaker 3 (01:28:04):
For corner and it's also going to be the final
episode you see of me with this background because that
FOLLOWING week i am going to, be MOVING so i
will be taking that, week off and THEN when i,
am back we will be ramping it up with some
more Content into may after. The Draft so i'm excited
for all of. That ahead, but again thank you all
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to say have a great rest of, your evening and,
as always, go bills.

Speaker 2 (01:28:46):
Take, care everybody

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