TAKE 13 - UFC 310 (recap)

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome everybody to another episode of Uneducated m May. I'm
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live with another great episode and as always I'm joined
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
No deserve. Back to another episode of an Educated Me.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
Glad to have you, Glad to have you, and as always,
this justin justice.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
And we gotta work on these fireworks. Come in figure out.
I glad to be here too. Man, Let's get it.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
You know that, you know the like thing where it's
just like you're not gonna know when I won the lottery,
but they'll be signed. Yeah, and have live fireworks in
the studio, you know, you just have like we just
have Bautista's entrance for the first five minutes you were like, anyway,
so you're gonna be like thirteen leg per leg, like

(01:00):
different biotechniques, different things. Let's do it. Let's go with it.
But yeah, man, welcome everybody back. You know, it's glad
to be back. I always love talking to MMA talk.
We have a lot of things to go over, a
lot of crazy stuff that has happened over this past
couple of weeks since the last time we've been out,
you have Century ten and obviously passed by. We got
some UFC three eleven announcements, fight nights in the middle,
at some interesting altercations we'll call on between some fighters.

(01:23):
We're gonna go overall. You know what I mean? This
is this is gonna be a much more lax episode
instead of a next pay per view fight breakdown. Obviously
we're winding down the end of the year and there's
not that many pay per views happening anymore. I think
we have a what like a fight night left and
that's about it. Kobe Covington versus Quaquin Buckley. I think
that's what buck is gonna get that, oh for sure,
for sure. Honestly, it's we we we here at the

(01:44):
what are you going with? Eight o six Studios, eight
O six Universal, What are we going with? What's the
what's the the entertainment vibe that we're going with? Whatever
the production studio is gonna be ATO six family here.
We don't condone Kobe Comington. We don't stand for COVID covingtent,
so we root against Colby Comington. My opinion, I know
about you guys f that guy. That's what we're going with. Yeah,

(02:07):
but yeah, bro, going into the UFC three ten, let's
go through this kind of recaptable going over a lot
of stuff happened in that card that Honestly, if I'm
gonna be frank, I had to catch the highlights. I
had a friends giving this past week that I you know,
it's one of those things, a lot of people talking
to you, a lot of things being handed to you,
not paying attention, stuff gets past you. But I caught
up watch of highlights.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
You know, it's still on, like family events or just
even thanksgivings, friendsgivings, always out there with my phone.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
Just how many side comments I got that They were like, oh,
of course you're watching the fights. It's like uneducated, Mma,
I'm gonna degenerate. It's a whole thing. I don't know
what you wanted from me, But of course I was
watching the fights, regardless grant that I wasn't paying the
best attention to it, but I was still watching for me.
But yeah, man, we had a couple of big moments.
So I'm gonna just start off with one of the
big ones in my opinion, Pantosia Antosia, Pantosia and still

(02:57):
and Still first of all, puts respect on my guy's name.
Now he was he was calling he was calling out
goat And honestly, I think he's now in that conversation
at the time, Bro, he's lapped his competition. He's getting
to that point where he was at where he was like, Yo,
there's nobody left, Like, who's he gonna fight?

Speaker 2 (03:13):
Right, everybody retirement?

Speaker 1 (03:17):
That was the only one that was like close. Then
that's what I wanted to bring up. Who does he
call out after he beats Kaya Sakura? He calls out
Mighty Mouse for what?

Speaker 2 (03:26):
For what? Mighty Mouse is Chilling's let that man where
I'm at.

Speaker 4 (03:30):
He said, you got offered a couple of millions of
dollars to fight and he decided not to.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
Yeah, he was like He's like, I got offered two
mil and I was just like, I'm good. Listen. Demetrius
Johnson is known to be one of the greatest flyweights
of what is the featherweights, yeahweight, the featherway, flyweight, flywa flyweight,
Yeah for sure, flyway feather Way, feather Way. Ilio Tapia.
So he's known as one of the greatest flyweights of
all time. Like he has had some crazy battles with
some crazy people, but his resume speaks for itself and

(03:56):
the thing that he's accomplished in UFC one Championship and
honestly any organization he's Grace's presence with. But unfortunately for Pantosia,
that man is retired. He said himself, and this is
a quote. I would like to see it, but this
is a full quote, and hopefully we can maybe clip
the video in. But he said in a quote, my
black ass is not coming out of her tire, exactly
what he said as he was live watching the fight.

(04:17):
And I get you, man, Like I.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
Wouldn't like it's like, why not challenge someone that's younger.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
The thing is is that like that's what he kind
of did when he fought or said he's kind of
fought everybody.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
In his division, everybody that he's trying to move up.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
I mean, maybe it depends on like kind of what
his goals are at this point. I think that he's
kind of like gone through the who's who's his division.
There's like a few people that you can maybe give
it a runback because it's been a while, but for
the most part, he's kind of done his thing looking
at it right now. Uh, he has fought in the
top five, Brandon roy Val, he's already fought him, Brandon Moreno,
he's fought him. Amir al Basi. I don't believe that

(04:52):
they've had a fight yet, but I believe I'll have
to take a look. Kay Carra France, you can run
that one, Toturo Tyra. That's somebody that's up and com
but he's on a loss right now, so I don't
know they're going to give him that one. So there's
a few people that he can kind of run back,
but nobody has like No. That's another issue is also
like you want to build that legacy. You want to
have those John Jones fights. It's kind of hard when
you're fighting the who's who.

Speaker 4 (05:11):
Yeah, even there's nobody in your division that can even
stand with you, like and.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
This, I really has faith in this At first. What's
the Japanese guy name Ka.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
Bro.

Speaker 4 (05:28):
I went into UFC five and I decided to do
this match up myself and I'm Kaya Cur. I'm freaking
whooping this nigga's ass the whole time. Third round chokes
me out.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
Yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
How that works out because and I was thinking over
in the second in the not in the game, but
you know life. And after I saw that, I was like, yeah,
he's getting choked. Yeah that game is accurate, bro, very accurate. No,
but he damn you know what.

Speaker 3 (05:59):
That just gave me idea, bro, because we should play
that and put it both on like on auto, and
run like ten games and then see who wins out
of those ten games.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
Yeah exactly.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
I think that that's the way that we should do
the parlays, because that's what how some people do it.
They'll run the simulations and they'll see sometimes the UFC
will also publish that they'll put it and they'll do
like their own like simulation and who who's got the
best odds? Right now? This is what I will say,
though anyone trying this, I can't believe those stats. Let
me know, I don't know if you can trust those
UFC five stats.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
I mean, they'll be like because they base them off
their previous fights, so they do, but they also I
feel like go off of favorite so key.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
I don't know, man, I feel like they're gonna boost
up some stats of people that haven't fought in a while.
But some people deserve to have like a better high
kick than others, you know what I mean. But moving
on from that one, we also had shot caught Rockmanov
beat Ian decision still and still undefeated. But I'm not
gonna lie listen. I rewatched that episode. It was the

(06:56):
day and we were talking a lot of smack. We
thought he was gonna get ran through pause, but like,
that was definitely definitely not the case in this one. Yeah,
eight up, eighteen down all by finish going into this fight.
Now he's nineteen up. He got that last one, but
that was the only decision on the man's entire record.
Everybody else got finished, whether kaot or subbed. So the
fact that Ian was able to bring him to the

(07:17):
full what was the fifteen minutes, Yeah, like that or
twenty five, it was cool, man. I think they gave
him five rounds. That was very impressive. Man, It was
very impressive for Ian on I think, like a two
week notice or something like that to be able to
just step in and bring that man kind of not
to the break. I'm not gonna sit here and act
like he was beating him up on his end, And
even then, I think the decision was a fair decision.

(07:40):
You can argue, you know, do your research, go into
the way, but I think all those questions that night,
most people we're gonna go into those dog It was
some ones where I went back and I was like,
are you kidding me?

Speaker 2 (07:50):
But they both did their thing.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
They both did the thing, And I think this is
a question I want to ask you guys, like, do
you think that Ian stock went down? You think we
still showed it was but I always I think it
went I don't even think. I don't think it's one
of those things where it stayed kind of the same.
I think I think his stock went up.

Speaker 4 (08:06):
If you ask me, yeah, I don't think like you
lose to such a good fighter. Sometimes it's like yes.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
And also it's one of those things of like he
wasn't being like dominated, he wasn't like getting beat up.
He was doing his thing. He was holding his own. Obviously,
he got put in some bad situations and he did
end up losing, but he managed to do his thing
and maintain I guess somewhat of a game plan and
almost choke him out. Remember that he took his back
at one point and it almost got him. So that
was also very impressive that he was able to do that.

(08:35):
I think he showed, if anything, that he's able to
now confidently fight anybody in the top five, especially because
he fought the guy who was supposed to be the
number one contender going into a title fight that day
that allegedly, according to everybody else, was supposed to walk
through the champion didn't. We didn't get to see that fight.
Now we're gonna it's scheduled out and we'll now hopefully
get to see it happen. But I don't know, man.
I think when now the performance we saw from CHOFCOT,

(08:57):
I think Ballall could take him. Who shop cut now
is gonna fight Mohammad? And ha ha, Who is that?

Speaker 2 (09:04):
Sir? I need I need a pass?

Speaker 1 (09:06):
Who is this?

Speaker 2 (09:07):
The security is stopping, But.

Speaker 1 (09:13):
Champion was like, oh no, nobody didn't even know that's
a champion. Let him through you.

Speaker 4 (09:19):
Yeah, but if he looked at him, he's definitely looked
like a regular Joe Schmo walk Yeah, fucking you know.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
But my thing is is like, you see somebody standing
right there and everyone's just going like you would think
let him through.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
The guy in the cage going security, you just do
your job.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
But you actually watch, he was just doing his job.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
I'm a security guard. I don't recognize this guy.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
Well, also, he did his job even even if he
even if he was like that, he's a part of
the UC. Like, you also can't just let the fighters
hop the cages because they get mad when the ones
that are in the cage hop out of the cage
to they also step up to them and they like,
get yours back in there. You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (09:55):
You altercations.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
I mean, dude, they fight for a living. What do
you think is gonna happen? You think everyone's gonna be
cordial with each other and be like, no, will be
walking by in the gym and each other and be fighting.
They is just throwing cups at people, throwing water bottles
at people, and every other event that he's at, everyone's
always like it's just honestly, you can't you can't really
say anything about that. But yeah, Ballall, even though he

(10:20):
was not recognized, ended up coming into the cage after
the fight, and I think it was a mid face off. Yeah,
the energy of it is just like I mean, also,
to be fair, like the fight that just happened wasn't
if if shot went in there and killed thee and
Gary and then afterwards like you here like that it
would be this intimidating thing and then would have to
kind of show like I'm not scared of you, bro,

(10:41):
and have that like kind of face to face. But
it wasn't that kind of fight, and it wasn't that
kind of face off.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
It's not that scary. If security stopped, it's like, come on,
for sure, I think that's.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
Trying to fight me. If you can't get past it
had the whole Vie.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
Right, honestly, Honestly, no, I feel like I feel like
I see belall like putting the mits on him. Low key,
I will say, I will say, like the path to
victory is going to be the wrestling for sure. If
we're gonna go with the automatic win, I think if
the Law sticks to the game plan, if he.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
Sticks the game, I can see him winning and wrestling.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
But Law is also like listen, I know he's a
decision machine for the most part, but he was also
good to go down and effectively use ground and pounds,
So who knows we might get a finish out of
him against shot cut Wich would be crazy, you know,
I can still I think he was. I think people
would still hate the law bro. I think even if
he went in there and just smoked shot cut, I
think everybody would be like, who cares.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
Man, even though they're expecting regular bro.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
So bad. He tries so hard and everyone's like, bro,
shut no matter what he does, but it's so bad.
He tries his hardest man, And honestly, I'm a fan.
I'm a fan. I've been a fan for a while.

Speaker 4 (11:53):
I can see the way he dominated, uh that fight
against Leon Edwards. Yeah, it was kind of just like
I didn't I didn't see this out of him. It's like, oh,
you've been training with the.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
But that's the thing is that that's been him for man.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
If you're training with the Kobiters and it shows.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
But that's the thing is that he puts the work
in man and his previous fights to that one, I
feel like he's showing the same kind of work like
work ethic where he's kind of like put the pace
on people, just piecing them up too. That's the thing
is that he's gotten to the point where anywhere hands,
if you want to go to the ground, he's gonna wrestle,
He's gonna I guess he has okay jiu jitsu, but
like he's got an overall solid game that I don't know, man,

(12:34):
I think I think the ball is going to be
champion for a bit now Chopcott has a chance. There's
a shop cut. Not him, he's still nineteen to h
I think you get him, not him. The new it
goes to the ground though, possibly. Yeah, So I gotta
I gotta see when that when that fight gets set up,
and we'll have a whole nother breakdown of that one
a little later. How the kind of progressed, you know,

(12:55):
the balls now has been cleared, so it might happen soon.
It didn't seem like shop got took too much damage.
So when I was next beginning right right, hurry up,
also real quick, I didn't get shot cuts hat bro.

Speaker 4 (13:07):
Yeah yeah, I don't know what it is, bro, but
we need these big, big furry hat It were just
sitting here just like Slavic and just chilling, just suck.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
We just get these big fur coats and everything. Were
just Peter's worst nightmare. Yeah, fake, I promise you this
is all leat the jacket right, all right, So let's
get into it because you already brought it up gone
versus Volkov and the robbery that it was was Dana

(13:37):
White Volkov afterwards and was like they scooed, I'm gonna change.
They screwed you over what he said. But he was like, yo,
that was what was that?

Speaker 2 (13:45):
Bro if the fun if the owner just said to.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
Earlier, so I didn't want to be the first one. Well,
and he also said kabibras he doesn't he don't really sayibs.
He's completely different.

Speaker 3 (13:59):
But anyway, but yeah, if Dana White, like the owner
is saying like yo, that's a robbery, he should like
be able to like sway the judges or have him
do like a revote recount, like give me a breakdown
of why you chose.

Speaker 4 (14:14):
That the owner of the UFC. How do you allow
these judges to constantly that's a better question or.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
Not only your judges. So that's the thing is again
it's a slippery slow because then they can if any
fight gets to decision, which obviously every fight in their
grandmother's is the same thing. I don't want to leave
it in the judge's hands. Don't leave it in the
judges hands, but it ends up in the judges hands
if the UFC has some sort of ultimate no I
want it this way. Who's to say that they don't

(14:41):
start finessing every single car and then gambling gets into
a whole thing, and then I.

Speaker 3 (14:45):
Can already into it, because what's cheaper to win the bag?
Fire a judge or be like, hey, damn, this judge
messed up. This judge is fired, but we just got
a crazy bag. Let me hire a new judge.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
No, you're not saying they do, but that's it's not
the UFC necessarily that hires them. It's going to be.
If anything, I can see the UFC going up to
the Commission and being like, yo, listen, this judge who
already has a terrible track record, and you don't want
them on here, and they've already affected this card. They
need to be removed and then immediately have them soppt
out with somebody else. But something that we've talked about before,
and you brought up before is also they need to

(15:19):
be able to be like, you sit down and explain yourself.
You know what, I don't even have to see you
if you want to just have a photo of your
face or something like that, so we can at least
put something to you and then you can explain yourself
or if you want to type out something that explains.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
Like literally, we need a breakdown of why you scored it.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
Sometimes you just be like, wait, the world had it
the other way and you do this way, and we
can be no explanation.

Speaker 4 (15:42):
A live vote that would be fire. That would also
be interesting if you did a lot of world just
like voted.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
In if they could do it.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
For what is it? You got talent? You got talent.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
That's how it is like if you are fighting outside,
who decides who won?

Speaker 1 (15:57):
That is one that's still breathing.

Speaker 3 (15:58):
I guess yeah, you find outside you think the vote
should be worldwide or like state wide, or should it
be just like whoever's there at the actual event, and
it'll be like.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
Fans vote event at the actual event. Because as you
have to remember, it's not just you looking at the fight.
You also have the screens and everything in front of you.
You get the replays and everything. Wait, we do, so
it's not like they get the same TV view and
the live action view.

Speaker 3 (16:26):
So give them, give them a chance, and that give
that gives another incentive to like bring more people in
because of people like no, I actually want to put
my vote in each chair and ticket should have a vote,
and then it would just be like the the judge
box would just.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
Be a fan of I was I was watching, Uh yeah,
give me give us a cut. I've never seen Gladiator
to its full extent. I've only seen part two yet. No,
so I haven't seen part two. This is the part one.
I haven't seen it fully. I've only seen bits and pieces.
So then I've recently watched the whole thing, like two
days ago. And in that one the Colosseum, they're cheering,

(17:02):
they're like, let them live, let them live, and then
the guy decides, you know what I mean, So why
don't we do the same. Let's bring it back.

Speaker 3 (17:09):
We got digital now, like we know exactly how many
chairs are in each stadium if it's sold out, or
how many tickets were sold, and they should just be
a fan vote.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
Yeah, that's it.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
If you don't know what they just cut the day
of white just yeah, that's the only that'd be really funny.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
Dictatorship.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
You just carry him away with a bag over we deigned.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
Who's next?

Speaker 1 (17:36):
Who's next? But that would be an interesting thing that
they could bring up, because at this point I think
everybody's kind of getting sick of like the way things
are happening and the robberies that we're getting. I'm a fan.
I mean, I know timing is a whole thing, but
I'm a fan of like if it's a split decision,
give him another round or something like that, but make
it make it a shorter round or something like that.
Obviously that makes it a little bit more high state.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
They're both like agreed to it if they both can fight, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
They both can so fight obviously meant it like they're like,
are you good the corner consitter? But it's good, all right,
let's run it one a round, two minutes. Yeah, then
you out five minutes. So I would say you make
the ot what three three three? Right, that's fair, and
then we see how it goes because you know, like, well,
I guess it's different because they only do two rounds,
but Ultimate Fighter when they do, there's two rounds, and

(18:21):
if they find that it's a split one round. So
you have that, and then you know the pressures on
that this.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
Is for the whole time you go hand, This is
make a break exactly like they have right now.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
You are split, But then there's also the idea of
having open scoring so as you're in the cage, you
can see what your score is, which I don't know,
man can go one of two ways, as I've actually
never thought about it this way. That also means that
whoever is winning, if they're up by a good amount,
could just coast and now you have a boring fight
for the rest of the fight.

Speaker 3 (18:45):
That is true, yeah, because I feel like it shouldn't
be split decision at that point, because it's like if
you're open scoring and you.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
Scored it, that's a little different. No, I'm just talking like,
let's say it's a three round fight and you're up
by two rounds, and you're up by a lot of points.
You can coast round three and now you're just wrestling
and hugging and holding, and now we have a boring fight. Yeah,
you could do that, But then I think I think
it's the same. I think we're kind of going into
one championship rules, but I think they should bring in
soccer yellow cards, red cards, orange or whatever. You get

(19:13):
points deducted or definitely points tell that you're doing something
to like kind of hold the fight up. Yellow card
that's a warning. You get a point taking away for
your actions and whatnot, because there's the thing that's tricky
is that, like I understand that there are certain positions
up against the fence or like down on the ground
where you are working, it just takes a bit to

(19:33):
get there, so it shows that you're not working. Yeah,
if you're just holding and it's just kind of delayed.

Speaker 4 (19:38):
So we're both so strong, I can't get out of
this grasping.

Speaker 3 (19:42):
But you can still see if they're actually trying or
doing something. They're just both there like wrestling looking at
the time, and they're just clearly just holding each other.
That's what I'm saying. Something they're just trying to breathe,
you know.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
What I'm saying. And I paid my hard earned money
for this, you I mean, I paid for something. You know,
I don't know what it was, but I paid for
something in your corner. Man, it's worgan like you gotta
come on, you can't do the fighting. I think that
that was one of a few a few robberies or
like I like to call them, petty thefts that happened
that night. But I think that that one's the one
that most people have been talking about recently with others like, bro,

(20:13):
it's the fact that day and I think like afterwards
he was like, yo, yeah got robbed like that right
there made it a lot of people be like, you
need to change it up because this is not the
first time if you noticed that, come on, we want
to talk about a year and rewind this is not
the first time this year alone that that where we've
literally been sitting on the couch like are you joking?
Like everybody in the room has it. You can tell,
the fans have it, the announcers are saying it. Everybody's

(20:35):
like not, You're wrong. That's a force. Moving on to
I guess the only other really big subject that came
out of There's been a couple of things that came
out of UFC three ten, But one thing that I
want to talk about is kind of like the idea
of the retirement. So over this three ten, over this weekend,
Clay Gueda, Anthony Smith, and Chris Widman all fought, all
three of them lost, all three of them very long

(20:57):
in the tooth, as they say, they've been fighting for
as long as you can remember. Careers crazy.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
They were in the first UFC video game I had.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
For sure, and that's what I'm That's what I'm saying.
So now, Dana White afterwards was asked, do you do
you think that they should retire? And he immediately said
they should retire tonight. Do you guys agree it just
depends on them?

Speaker 4 (21:19):
Honestly today, I agree, but I think it's like that
approach is crazy to here's.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
Here's here's my thing, right, I'm going to give you
a little bit more information on all three. Clay Guida
has been fighting for forever. I think that man at
this point has over fifty or sixty fights. I don't
even It's an insane amount of wins and.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
It blows my mind.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
But he's still in it, not hard word. He's like
competitive in the UFC when it comes to fighting like
the bottom of the top fifteen and then fighting the
ones that are unranked like he can every now and
that he gets wins. He does his thing, you know,
But he's not going to be a contender for a belt.
That's just not happening, especially with usually people like that.

(21:58):
They they they're just he of the card. You gotta
fill the card. And that's another thing too, is you
have it's like the same idea as like the b
m F. The ones that are going for the b
m F are people that not necessarily are fighting for
the title anymore. They may have at one point, and
even even they may have held it at one point.

Speaker 4 (22:18):
Former heavyweight change, trying to change, you know, so dropping
out a light heavyweight.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
Yeah, honestly, I see it as as a as a
it's a goal to strive for. We'll see, we'll see
how we do. I think you got Yuri pro Hosca
for sure. We're gonna put you up against Jamal Hill.
You could take for sure, Sam Hill. I can't wait, Yeah,
you can't wait.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
Did you have an altercation with him in the gym?

Speaker 1 (22:38):
B something like that?

Speaker 2 (22:41):
He could check me all people. So I had to
tell him, like you'll get the gloves.

Speaker 1 (22:45):
Then.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
Yeah, he had another altercation with someone else in the gym,
just like that.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
He did. He did. Hey, did you know he really
tried to check Alex Preer bro Chama himself, like shut
up like this, get in the gloves.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
He's like, enough of you talk.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
He told him you're still sleeping. Yeah, that's crazy. Where
the fact that Jamal Hill the other day was chirping
to year and was like, bro, what you mean you
know he beat you up. He just knocked me out,
trying to think that was a flex. It's like, sir, yeah, what.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
Knocked out?

Speaker 1 (23:15):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (23:16):
He's just he's such a punk, Like I'm not.

Speaker 4 (23:18):
There's not many people I put that term to, but
he's someone I can put him in the categories punk.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
I get that, man. I listen, Jamal Jamal Hill, he is,
he is Jamal Hill. For a while, I was like
a fan of his and at this point, like I'm
just like, I'm getting to the point where like the
personality outside of the cage, I don't like the ones
that always have an excuse for something. You got to
take accountability for your actions. And Bro, you got caught,

(23:45):
but that was on you. We slowed down the footage
enough to show that you were okay. You threw the
first punch and then you got caught.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
You just can't make excuses that. I don't know what
to tell you that knocked out. You getting knocked out.

Speaker 1 (23:59):
And I listen, I totally understand the strategy of like, bro,
I'm a chirp to you. I'm gonna talk all this
smack to justin over here to get that fight with him,
but like at the same time, like if if the
previous one was so you know, decided.

Speaker 3 (24:11):
Because Hill's excuse was like no, he stopped the ref
and then then he got like a step closer and
then that's how he came and knocked him out.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
But even then, if you slow it down, you see
that that he did, that happens. And then he also
threw a punch, and so that's why I'm like, bro, if.

Speaker 3 (24:26):
You weren't ready, then don't throw that punch. Back up, bro,
his back up. If you notice that he like got forward,
back up, back up, that's.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
All you gotta do. But that's what my thing is
that like I feel like he's just making too many excuses.
And now I see is Chirpingalx wants to even fight
him again, I don't think because what does he get
from that?

Speaker 2 (24:42):
It's who does Alex fight next?

Speaker 1 (24:44):
Then? So that's the thing is technically, technically the last
word we heard from Alex was him chirping to to
DDP to drinks du plus to move down to fight
him at one eighty five. But everybody's been like, hold
on two of five, still need your and you need
to fight what's his name I'm blanking so hard on
his name right now. Uh Russian dude, light heavyweight. Wow,

(25:08):
this is how you know that he's not that that
that guy right now? Nope, nope, nope, nope. Hold on,
I got the rankings right here. Man, Oh you're gonna
close on Cala. I didn't even look at it. He's yeah,
Uncliath he still has so Maga mad unclave Is is
the current number one contender and he's the one that

(25:28):
is technically next in line for for the fight. But
I feel like Alex with the amount that he stepped
up in the amount of working. By the way, congratulations
the Paulton for becoming the UFC or the male mm
A Fighter of the Year. Shout out to you. We'll
get you on the pod next week. Bro. We got
to schedule out the door. We'll figure it out. But yeah,
shout out to him forgetting that. Uh he I think

(25:51):
at this point gets his pick. Man, he's done enough.
Think about this year, right, the late fill ins, the
close fights between the two of them, showing out the
superstartom like wild right now, I think of all the
people he beat recently recently in insane gery, right, yep,
he beat YERI he beat Jamaar Hill, Khalil Rountree, He's

(26:11):
already beat Those are just the wins that he has
at heavyweight and light heavyweight, and a lot of the
other names. I'm gonna honest with you are kind of okay.
Oh he he beat Yanblohovich, he beat he beat Izzy.
I would say for me, it's fight Maga Maat and
calav and if actually I think Yambohovich had a fight
recently announced. I got to look into that. But if
he didn't run Yambohovich back, that's a fight that I

(26:32):
want to see happen again, because Yambohovich did well and
I feel like I don't know what happened, but he's
kind of been put on the back burner and I
feel like forgotten about. But the man still ranked top
four in the division and he was a former champ
and a great fighter at that.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
I think we need to like his time.

Speaker 4 (26:48):
I don't want to ruin this whole reign of like
Pereira killing it, but like time to give him a kobiver.
I think it's time that's the maga to see if
that's his krypton night as well as all the other.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
Striker that's that's the thing that everybody is kind of
waiting on because he has worked on his takedown defense,
but he hasn't fought anybody that's doing that. Even Khalil
Rountree shout out to him. Man, he was like, I'm
not going for a takedown. He goes, if I'm beating him,
I'm beating him the one way I know how, you
know what I mean, Like, I'm going to That was great.
I love.

Speaker 5 (27:21):
He.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
I became a fan of his, uh like watching him
on like fight nights because he was just so violent
and so like aggressive, and then he'd get on the
mic afterwards and he was the nicest guy you've ever
heard speak. And I was like, this duality is insand
like you are two different human beings. It's a switch
that genuinely turns on and you just murder.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
Something like wonder Boys.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
Yeah, literally, wonder Boy, wonder Boy. Like Max Holloway says
that him and him and Max Holloway are fighting for
the NMF the nicest motherfucker And because at that point,
like you see, yeah, you see him on the mic
and he's super nice and everything like that, but both
of those dudes on the micro are nice and they
get in the Octavie, bro, who you hear that? You
hear that bell and then switch it off? Man. So

(28:02):
like for sure, like Khalil fils to that bill and
I feel like I was a big fan of his
and he just keeps going. Man, everything that he does,
I'm a fan of it. He hasn't let me down
yet even in his losses. I'm like, it's because my
thing is like if you go in there and you
can tell that you put in one hundred and ten percent,
the other guy is just better. It is what it is, man,
it is what it is. Just train harder, bro, Yeah,
just train harder to get back at it.

Speaker 4 (28:23):
You.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
That's the same thing like Ian Gary, like I said earlier,
you lose no stock in my book. And honestly, with
Ian Gary, I wasn't the biggest fan of his because
I felt like the again, the outside of the ring
talk versus what's in the in the ring or in
the cage. Is they need a match? And for Ian Gary,
for a while, I felt like everything I was hearing
on the outside, listen, I'm not going into the personal
stuff the people were bringing up on Twitter and all
that kind of stuff. That's not what I'm talking about.

(28:43):
I'm talking about what he thought of himself and the
way he presented himself and his image that he was
giving you versus what he was doing in the octagon.
I just felt like I see the potential in the
star power, but it just wasn't wasn't matching. So I
wasn't a big fan. But even in the crazy thing
is this loss is what kind of like turned me around.
You're like, I'm gonna watch out for you, bro. Yeah,
I'm kind kind of I'm kind of on your side now.

(29:03):
We're gonna see what you do. Man, You've got to
do a couple of things with me over. But I'm
more on your on your side there.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
But and he don't want to You don't want to
fight in England.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
No, he don't want to fight nowhere in Europe unless
it's Ireland, which honestly I respect that. That's like, that's
like us being like nowhere in the Caribbean except the
r you know, like where am I going? Am I
going anywhere else? To Puerto Rican? Like yeah, exactly bring
me home right here.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
Yeah, just Puerto Ricans, Like I'm not going to know
pr A't that bad?

Speaker 1 (29:35):
Why go to PR when you go to d R.

Speaker 3 (29:37):
Yeah, well if you can home soil to the like, yeah,
if you if you champion, then I get it.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
But you know, but I mean, granted, granted he was
like working your way up, but.

Speaker 4 (29:47):
If the other fighters Puerto Rican, that's not fair either.
I need a neutral spot.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
It just depends where the events being held at that time.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
Building island in between both of them, and that's where Cuba.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
Yeah, we'll just go to Cuba. Fight on a boat.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
Like a naval.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
Yeah, there's no rules in.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
A ring. On the wife, I signals YEA to the death.
I feel like that's like some mortal kombats next to
the satellite bro be right that Elon Musk starlink. We'll
get that good signal dog shout out Elons. Hes sponsoring
the podcast soon. I think I will sleep.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
Yeah, yeah, he said something about we were talking to
sponsor any there right now.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
I'll win it. I'll take it, Doug. But yeah, I
go back to the point again, these tangents. I love him,
Clay g I see him. Give him a couple more fights.
He's just a legend. Give him some fun ones, give
him some other older guys. It's fine. Anthony Smith. That's good.
That's a good one. Actually, Anthony Smith concerns me for

(30:50):
his mental well being. Maybe maybe he should retire.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
Listen out of everyone how he feels, but not for sure.
I would reckon man.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
At the camera, and I'm gonna talk to you right now,
Anthony Smith, listen. I'm a fan, bro, I'm a big fan.
You need to retire for your own mental well being. Now,
I'm not saying get out of the fight game. If
you want to take jiu jitsu things outside and do
that kind of stuff grappling matches, sure go ahead. But
I think for your own physical health and your mental health,
you need to lay off the fighting. Last b the

(31:24):
last two fights I've seen with you, one was you
yelling at Johnny Walker that he did something to your
family and he's like, what are you talking about? And
now this one, you're putting your hands down and asking
the guy to punch you in the face so you
can feel something. And both times you've had things outside
of the octagon that are affecting you. Yeah, he had.
He had a friend die right before that from a
heart attack, very very soon to the fight.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
Now, I can't fight somebody like that. But hold up,
it would be.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
Like, but the thing is, it's not like somebody that
has something like he's coming at you crazy, Like he's
literally putting his hands down and he wants you to
punch him in the face because he's not like going
his emotions correctly, so he wants to feel pain that way.
It's like if you know that it's gonna be a
crazy fight. Like, my thing is is that I feel
like he just eats out. You got him, bro, At

(32:12):
that point, I just I couldn't. I just couldn't see
him continuing to fight and like, actually do well, you know,
if you're gonna have that much stuff on your brain
like that, you're just kind of like mine's all over
the place. A man just just put up people, man, Man,
Like I said, go compete in something that's just not
gonna give you mental damage. Because you're over here doing
this this uh commentating route and you're doing amazing at it.
You're a great analyst, you know, in my opinion, you

(32:33):
you know the sport, you know the guys, you trained
with them, so you have your great insight.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
But man, it's just tough. Yeah, when you're going through stuff,
you know, you.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
Can't make bro Also like it's one thing that I
go to work and I can't focus on my job
because I have outside problems. My job's not that serious.
I'm not getting punched in the face for a living.
You gotta figure it out. I don't know, started thinking
about something outside gets sidekicked, you know what I mean,
and you're just down for the count. I'm good, channel
your your emotions something like that. Man, he's got to

(33:05):
get out that ring. It's terrible. And then for Chris Widman,
that's an interesting one for me man because he got
the injury that he had. He was doing all right,
but he's not really winning. And then it's like is
the title there? Another one is how you want? You
gotta think about it with these guys, Man, you do
something for so long, like where do you go? It's
like how we were talking last time about like Connor McGregor,

(33:26):
where like he's got all the money in the world,
he's still young, but it's like why would you come back?

Speaker 2 (33:31):
Just how does the UFC not drop him as well?

Speaker 1 (33:34):
You know, I don't think. Here's my thing is I
think that it's like a contract thing. Now. What I
think you can do is you can kind of starve
him out, but you don't you also don't want to,
like with a Chris Widman, for example, if Anthony Smith
and Chris Widman both are doing like commentary for them,
So that's also like a weird thing to kind of
like be like, yeah, we're gonna snuff you out of
the fight game, but we're gonna keep you over here.

(33:55):
But you're like, I want to fight. That's all you
keep talking about, is you you want to fight.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
I don't like talking and I want to fight.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
I'm saying, I don't know how long you can kind
of like keep them aside, but like I feel like
I feel like with him, he he, you know, it's
just kind of like what if DC got back into it.
You know, I don't think that that's why he's definitely
gonna He's firmly said, I'm good, dog, I'm good. That's
my thing is. It's the same thing with with Mighty Mouse.
It's like, bro, like those guys are happy, like they've retired. Sure,

(34:22):
there's probably things in their career that they wish one
another way, but like they're happy where they're at now.
They don't feel the need to go back. And I
feel like some guys they don't. I don't know what
it is that they don't get that kind of like
fulfillment or maybe they don't get that moment of realization
with that, because you see it sometimes like there are
moments of some people retired and it's a happy moment
and they put down the gloves and everyone's like yay,

(34:46):
what's yeah exactly like, yeah, already retire, I'm good. Well,
to be fair, a man has been like chirp, and
so she might actually come back. She I think more
so retired because she had to be mom and then
also like bro, who is there left?

Speaker 3 (35:00):
I think she would have come back. She's as a mom.
You think she can play with the same Yeah, y
if you can have a kid, I.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
Think for that change your your I think.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
Ade, I think yeah, I think that that's the thing.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
That's the same on kids fighting for something more than
for her.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
Beforehand, it was legacy, which I think at this point
she's pretty much got because now when you get into
the conversation of like legacy, you have to fight names.
That's the tricky part. It's like you can have big
fights for sure, but now you have to fight names.
You can't just kind of like go into whatever, like
whoever exactly. It's like, you know this person is working,
so you be working there is it's a trick. It's

(35:45):
like I guess number. You can go into the stats.
You can do like the number of title defenses, the
amount of wins versus the amount of losses or no
losses whatsoever. You can have x amount of submissions and
who's more active. Yeah, all those all those little like
stats and things like that matter. But like for sure,
when you get to legendary status, it's who else is

(36:06):
a name? And can I beat that person while there's
still a name. It's tricky when you have like let
me call out the retired fighters. It's for sure timing
because like, for example, someone calls out GSP right now,
that's crazy for as active, for as active as he
is right now, Like that'd be crazy. He's one of
the goats, but that'd be kind of crazy. John Jones
is not crazy to call out because he's still active exactly.

(36:30):
DJ isn't as crazy to call out because he just
recently retired. But to still be like your mighty musket
in here, like that's let the man just retired and said, bro,
I'm good I'm done, Amanda who kind of retired. But
then it's still kind of like tweeting on people a
little different, you know what I mean, Like those kind
of people, I guess you can call them out of retirement,
but like if they're like, no, I'm happy, I'm with

(36:50):
my family, think you please, and you're calling him out,
like can you just leave him alone?

Speaker 2 (36:53):
Leave him alone to be just like someone calling out
could be right now, Well.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
That's another one could be was like no. Because also
I think with kud it was it was a calculated move.
I think that at some point, if he had kept
fighting with the next three years, someone would have beat him.
But I don't know who, and I definitely think it
would have been maybe somebody that would have went a
second time against him. That would have been yeah, because.

Speaker 3 (37:16):
Wait wait, remember they asked Tinda White, who's better Michael
chav right now or John Jones And he still went
with Jones.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
But Islam was like, like, come on, like because he's
killing everybody right now?

Speaker 1 (37:28):
Yeah. Different, different, And the thing is, I guess with
both of them, but I would lean more towards Islam
is that like they're both very dominant, but like the
thing with Islam. Is that that's striking is crazy, bro.
That that you got to watch out of those hands, feet,
knees to clinch and now the wrestling is always the
wrestling has always been hold of your wrist.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
And he's just like that fight.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
Where he's fighting Dustin. That one that's when you see
like how dominated where you're like, dude.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
He saw we saw Dustin.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
Let me take Dustin down, but like someone liked us.

Speaker 4 (38:06):
It's kind of crazy because he's such a get him
versus Max Holloway, obmth'd be great.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
Then you get to fight whoever wins that one. You
gotta defend your belt, bro.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
They lost it, he vacated it. That's how I got
it alright, real quick, Who do you think it takes
that one? I'm gonna go with Dustin. I know Holloway
probably got the reach, but I'm gonna go with Dustin.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
It's tricky because Max just got chaoed, so it's all
a timing thing because Dustin also somewhat recently got KAO
as well.

Speaker 4 (38:37):
Dustin is like, if the longer I feel like, the
longer he takes the fight again, bigger chance he loses
the next one.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
I can see that, you know'll be great International Fight
Week in June them to be m F That would
be great. That would be great because I know that
they were talking Max and Charles. But now another thing
I wanted to bring up, illiots Apooria talking about moving
up it to heavyweight lightweight, and so far that's been
the rumors that he's gonna fight Charles Lavera, who just

(39:08):
pretty much has got himself a number one contender spot.
So then you have those two fight winner of that one.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
But if he gets to the ground to go with Charles,
and I know you're going with Charles, I'm a tough one.

Speaker 1 (39:20):
I don't know that. Here's my thing, right, Charles, We've
seen that, We've seen how We've seen how dominant Ili
has been in a stand. He's got the crazy hands.
He's knocked out Max Holloway, who's never been knocked out.
He's knocked out Alexander Volkowski never happened. He's knocked out
an X amount of people in the division. He's beat
all the names in the top five. But I will

(39:42):
say this, Charles Olvera is a very dangerous fighter. And
this is this is me full bias, full bandwagon. Yeah, yeah, Yeah,
he's a dangerous fighter. He's coming at you with the
kitchen sink, He's consistently moving on you, and he also
hits really hard. So it it's somebody who I just
think is like it's like if you were to throw

(40:02):
Diego Lopez in that same but whatever, it's that kind
of like energy where you're like, bro, you know, he's
coming at you everywhere, like if you're not, if you're
not like on your p's and q's for that entire fight,
you could get caught real and it could be anywhere.
And that's the part where I think, you know, I mean,
you got to be a little careful with that one
because like, here's my thing right on the feet. He's
gonna get you in the clinch. He's gonna also piece

(40:23):
you up with his hands because he's done on other
people before. He's caught almost everybody that he's fought, knocked
down almost everybody. Yep. Putting that weight on I think,
I think I think for him going up another ten
wouldn't be that bad. Yeah, it depends on how it
depends on how he does it, you know what I mean,
Because it's one of those things if like you have

(40:44):
to maintain your athleticism like you're talking about, but like
he puts on some muscle because another thing with him,
I don't see him fighting soon, so he can probably
be comfortable around that way sure. And then also look
at his fights man, like he's he's boxing these dudes
up for the most part, so like for him, as
long as he can keep his footwork the same kind
of speed for the like, I feel like for the
most part he'll do it right because a lot of
the guys he'd be fighting are like I like that.

(41:05):
And then Max for the most part best boxing in
the UFC, and he's able to do that to him,
So you know, Charles, Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
I feel like I don't know.

Speaker 3 (41:14):
I'm gonna go with Soporia first three rounds. After that,
I think Charleston get him. I figures like later the
champion is a name and it's Charles the Bronx Eleveda.
If it goes to the ground, for sure, Charles got it,
but stand up. For some reason, I'm still gonna give
it a Suporia. Even though Charles got hands, I'm gonna
go to I get you, man, the first three rounds, Toporia.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
That's a tough one.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (41:37):
I'm gonna say, even thought.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
At the same time, like we can't we're kind of
not gonna sit like listen as much as I'm like,
I'm probably gonna go with Charles. For me, it's just
because of the unpredictability and the skill that I've seen
him display, whereas Iliot I have seen him display a
lot of great skill, but like there's also that like
weight discrepancy, you know, And I think it's gonna be
a close fight. Honestly, I think you have the right
answer for the most part.

Speaker 3 (42:02):
I think it's a thing if we go over yeah,
over three Charles, Charles will have that experience and he'll
tire him out and he'll get him because it is
also the thing of the I'm not saying sport, he
can't go five rounds, but I'm just saying the grappling.
You know, he'll get him. He'll tire him down even
more than compared to other fighters.

Speaker 1 (42:22):
Yeah, because there there is the thing of him just
literally just dropping.

Speaker 5 (42:25):
Them down, goes up, follows, follows him just to knock
him out with the like Max ends up getting the belt.
Actually he just fight.

Speaker 3 (42:37):
Yeah, it's just like, wait, he should do that if
he's gonna be walking around with the fake well well
not the fake when he bought a real one, but
it's not the BMF belt. If he's gonna be walking
around with the BMF belt, let him, you know, fight
Holloway again and see if he deserves that. And then
that way Hollyway gets his rematch and see if he
like you know, owns up on that.

Speaker 4 (42:58):
You get to see to whoever wins that wins it's
a title shot, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
I would say so, Now that's gonna be an interesting
one because like I think that Islam or armand blow
the doors off of h I think like it just
because it's a size thing. I think it's just a
size thing, like they're they're in. Yeah, that's the don't dude,
he's good. He's good. Lineup, you know what? Yeah, that guy.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
As soon as I found out about him, been a fan.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (43:37):
I feel like I think it's a size gonna be
the size differentially. Differential is going to be a big
factor in that fight because both of them are wrestled heavy.
Iliat has great wrestling, but he has he has good hands.
But then I feel like I think Islam would be
the tougher fight. I think Arman would be a closer fight,
but I think Islam would just brow. I think Islam
would go there and just humble him and send his

(43:59):
back and one for a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
By the time, like Islam is done with his career,
he's going to be like.

Speaker 1 (44:06):
Definitely past. Oh that's that's what kolb Be wants. Kub
Be wants it to be. Like we're gonna continuously like
roll the legacy of the Demago collecting Jim.

Speaker 3 (44:17):
Badgers, Bro, Yeah, I just got out of the beep, Jim,
just like you keep saying, Kibs, he's going.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
To be a corner man for like three different fighters
on one card.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
Yeah, yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, I believe it's Islam Umar
and I forget who The third.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
One is different name I haven't seen before.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
Yeah, but it's another guy out of his camp. It's
because that that I'm telling you collecting Jim already talked
about Itstani's coming.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
For it is that the best camp taking taken over
the US.

Speaker 3 (44:49):
One of the best camp though, was when out of
Sanya was killing it Francis and then you got Uzman.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
They had a run.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
Bro. He did they had to run. They were they
kind of had like a collective, like they helped each
other out. They were technically they were different camps, but
they did have they were on the same camp. No,
because is he is he fights out of out of
out of New Zealand. I think tomorrow. I'm pretty sure
fights out of Denver with like Justin Gaegee and them

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and Francis is out of them.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
They are all different gyms, very different.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
I let you rock because I got I got what
you were saying. I got what you have to remember
that I he's with the New Zealand dude. So he's
with he's with like uh Kai Karra France. No, No,
Whitkers out of Australia. He's with like Kai Karra France.
He's with Dan Hooker, those guys. I'm blanking a city Kickboxing.
That's the name of that. What's the name of these camps? Bro?

(45:45):
How many? How many gyms and camps do you think
they got? So I would say like I would say,
like American Top Team is going to be one that
you hear a lot a T T that's out of
I believe like Florida. Uh that one is that's a
that's a that's a different one. I think that's that
out of a got google this. Honestly, there's a couple

(46:07):
of camps, remember what camp he was. He has a
kind of his own his own thing that's kind of
the thing. So it seems like here, so it seems
like strickling kind of like moves around, but it's it's
out of like Salt Lake City for the most part,
and Arizona seems like where he trains. I don't know
if he has like a team that like that's the

(46:28):
thing is it's kind of like a team that kind
of goes. I guess it's Extreme Coutur is where he
trains out of. So ready Gutur's gym. That might be
where he's like currently training out of. Yeah, because he's
with like the umbrella of camps. You know, he's with
like Chris Curtis and that in those guys kind of
like a couple of up and coming guys. They all

(46:48):
have like a camp together that's kind of out of
like that like the Vada Arizona area. I feel like
Sean Sean O'Malley trains out of the same thing, but
he kind of has more of like a close knit
camp that's something I would I don't would you guys
think you'd do better training on like a big team
or would you rather go to like a more close
knit camp because you have teams like at t has like.

Speaker 4 (47:09):
You get more of a variety of different type of
but you get like like a tight knit group first,
and then I would like, Okay, what else can I learn?

Speaker 2 (47:18):
Because even then I would go into a beer camp
to get more experience with like.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
But that's the thing is I don't know if necessarily
because I would say it's it's a little different because
I feel like I from what I hear, it's more
people prefer to go to the smaller camp where you
get that more personalized, attentive coaching that works specifically for
sure focus.

Speaker 3 (47:35):
But in the beginning stages, like once you master that camp,
just the same thing, Jim Badgers, just for you master
that training, You're like, all right, now that I've learned this,
let me see what else can I.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
You just focus on you? That makes sense?

Speaker 4 (47:48):
Yeah, for sure, I do believe in like high uh
reps when it comes to sparring. Yeah, And I feel
like if you was sparing a lot with a big
camp or like a lot of other big fighters, different styles.
You feel me learn a lot more off the experience
because then once you go in the cage with like
a new fighter and be like you'll be able to

(48:10):
adapt a little bit.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
Easier, like I can.

Speaker 3 (48:15):
He turned that like like within this situation with this
new fighter, like I already dealt with something like this
similar fighter.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
Oh exactly, I can you know, get out of there.
I get that too. You know. It's actually really cool
about like Kab was that he's offered like his services
to a lot of people. He's like, come come to
the Degstan, we got you. Wow.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
I've been studying lift from like that policeman guy.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
He's like.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
Like dodge bullets like reflect bullets.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
Yeah, you know, just like the.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
Detroit New York Detroit.

Speaker 1 (48:49):
Look at look at the video of thetach with him.
Josh almost breaks his whole studio.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
Yeah yeah a mustache, right bro? Yeah yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (48:58):
You can get out of any situation, like if you're
in the car and they wrap a seatbelt around your neck.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
Like, no, bro, you're done.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
There's actually so this is there's a this is a
big list, but I'm just kind of going off of
like some of the bigger ones that you've probably heard of.
So a Ka produced six UFC champions. Yeah, that's that's
the that's the gym Islam, kobeb d c Luke, Rockhold, Kane, Velasquez,

(49:29):
bj Pen that's a that's a list of.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
Names, so a bunch of and then all these other legends, Yeah, all.

Speaker 1 (49:36):
These other legends. A T. T was the only one.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
That's how d these people?

Speaker 1 (49:40):
Yeah, because they all go through him because like the
thing is that DC is a huge like wrestler and
a lot of them go through that camp. So that's
why he like knows those like Daga Standi, wrestler Dues
from Jump Like he's he's cool with all them. They
go over a lot of wrestling technique, the community of wrestling.
He's cool with a lot of like Russian wrestlers as
well because when he was doing his thing, when he
was like just a wrestler, but before he came into
m m A, those are the people he was interacting

(50:02):
with on a regular basis, so he knows a lot
of them.

Speaker 4 (50:04):
A T. T.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
Has Woodley, Nunez, j D S Lawler, Joanna Young, J Check.
That's a that's a lot of people, man, Yeah, man,
there's actually there's like quite a few people that have
like kind of gone on The Tiger mo we Tie
has been a big one. Shoot the Box has Charles Olavera, Shogun,
Hua Anderson Silva, Chris c Iberg, Chris Cyborg.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
That makes sense.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
Yeah, man's there's actually like who what Craig Craig Jackson's
gym has done, George Saint Pierre, John Jones, Holly Holm
and Rashad Evans. There's a lot, man, I think I
would go there. There's some teams.

Speaker 4 (50:38):
Man, I think if I had to text and listen,
if you had to choose to train under.

Speaker 1 (50:45):
Okay, okay, all right, I'm going.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
I'm going.

Speaker 4 (50:49):
But boy, I know, I know I wasn't gonna say Jim.
I was gonna say, like a specific fighter in his
like style or his camp. I guess it could be
any like person ever tired. It could be someone that's
just still.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
That's a good question. I want to feel like be
your mentor in this road.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
I feel like anybody the one the one that like
I feel like the easy answer would be somebody like GSP.
But if I want, if I want to like win fully,
it's gonna be Jones coach. Coach kuld be has Yo

(51:33):
Yo coach Kabibe is that guy. Coach kuld Beibe is
that guy. He is he is, he is, like and
you watched like right after this, I'm gonna pull up
some clips. I'm gonna show you the clips of him
just saying the instructions clearly of to his fighter of
how to win, and you see them right away doing
and you're like, Jesus christ is Jason Born. Yeah right,

(51:54):
and you're like, dude, what because you have to under
he had his dad in that camp that gave him
so much knowledge and then he himself do twenty nine wins,
no losses. I think his pop's probably did. I haven't
looked too much into his fight. I just know that
he's been a very successful coach. Yeah for sure. So
that was the thing that also the times it's just
like the Bebe Islam and they have their cousin who's

(52:18):
over i think a Bellator champion as well. And now
you have all the up and coming guys that are
also coming out out of that camp. You have Umar
who's gonna fight Morob that's coming out of that game.
There's a lot of dudes out of that camp that
are like either current champ or going for a title,
and that's the hunter is crazy in that camp right now.
So they wake up, they fight bears and they go
to wrestling camp. That's all they don't, Bro, They just

(52:40):
they just know that that's their entire life. That's all
they know. And they're humble. And there's also like another
thing is also like I think it's the religious aspect
as well. There's a lot of like commitment and a
lot of sacrifice that goes into it that they put
that you can tell why they're champions like they do
everything the way that you need to do it, like

(53:02):
to get to success. And that's why I think I'd go.
It would definitely suck, But look at the lall but
Law went to that camp and look at him now, Bro,
Like I.

Speaker 2 (53:10):
Think he creates like championship.

Speaker 1 (53:12):
There's a clip I think I think it's either it's
either Kabiber is long. No, it's could be, but I
believe it's could be and it's hits him telling DC. Honestly,
I probably think it's long, but it's one of them
to telling telling DC. You send your son to Dagastan
for thirteen months we bring him back a champion. He goes,
thirteen months, I'm not sending my son to Dagstan. He said,
we'll bring him back a champion. It's okay, Yeah, he'll

(53:33):
come back. I'm not gonna lie to you. He'll come
back a champion exactly. His son's big and a wrestling.
You want him to come back, go teach him that
combat sambo. He'll come back and he'll be bombos as
people up. Thirteen months, you know better than actually you
know one year, one year and some changing your life.
Who comes back a champion? Who cares?

Speaker 2 (53:49):
All right, you gotta be back a champion. It's like
Batman gonna go train with literally that's back. That's definitely
what it is.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
Bro. You gotta go up into the mountains. You gotta
go do a whole thing. Find the poison.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
Yea, do what you gotta do. Then again you'll protect Gotham.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
He goes to He's like whatever dropped off the base
of the mountains of Dakastan. He has to make his
way up to the camp by himself, and then only
the training, snowing, only then training.

Speaker 4 (54:20):
He barely makes it up there. They have tore up
and recovery. When he gets there, his fingers are frozen dead.
Hap he falls right in the front steps.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
If you made it this far, you'll make it. He
wakes up, he's in the middle of a training camp.
He's already on the mat there like it's him, two
polar bears. He has to survive to then be initiated
into the cab.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
That would be I would be like to bring up
one more polar bit.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
You're fighting three polar bears and the hypothermia, just trying
to make a dog.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
You ain't thinking about the hypothermia at that time.

Speaker 1 (54:53):
They're all just sitting there like this. Polar bears. That's
how you get the hats, bro, That's how that's the floor,
that's how.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
So you got the hat you honestly, birds think think
about it. The best way to kill you gotta cut
off the oxygen. Well, yeah you can do that.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
Your naked choke, naked choke, all three of them. Damn
your shoutout to be camp. I don't even think you
guys answered, I think we just I'll see you on
thirteen months.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
I'll be right back.

Speaker 1 (55:20):
Choose could be camp sounds like it won bro.

Speaker 4 (55:23):
I want I don't want to pick the same one,
but I definitely would be a camp to that one,
all right, So then then just pick another fighter fighter
or fighting style.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
Fighter that you want to go. I would want to
train that.

Speaker 4 (55:33):
It could be I would want to train McGregor. I
would have to Silva and like Silvazi.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
See it's interesting you would go with Anderson and not easy.
I understand that there's a legend. I just never liked it.
I don't know what I get that too. Here's here's
my here's my thing with all of it is, I
feel like I need to go to who's the most
recent example of that style? Okay, okay, So that's why
instead of GSP, I went with BEB.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
I was thinking, like the Brazilians in there and I
and I.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
Totally get that, but then like you have like I
don't know, man, I would argue, like that style of
fighting that Anderson Silva had, you kind of get a
sharper image with who's taking his mantle and kind of like,
you know, Anderson Silva still has a lot of accoades like.

Speaker 4 (56:20):
An anime nauto esque, and then and and Silva does
it like as like I'm a Brazilian.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
Yeah, for sure, I thought you.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
Something like that, like you know anything like I say
with I say with Anderson. He definitely gives me more
like Bruce Lee kind of vibes. He's coming at you
with that confidence, that cocky like the whole thing with him,
like I'm gonna bother with my hands down, that kind
of thing.

Speaker 2 (56:50):
I caught that round definitely got you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
We don't talk about all the losses.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
But he definitely is a very experience.

Speaker 4 (56:56):
I feel like he has a lot of knowledge can
gain as the place to just start for sure.

Speaker 1 (57:01):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
Sometimes when he be talking, I'm like, yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
Have I gotten you guys to be like crazy addicts?
Or now you know coaches yet? Are we going to
coaches yet? Or no? What I mean you know? No coaches?
Damn yeah, because I would trade I would train under
Trevor Whitman. That'd be mine. That's enough. Justin Gache Roz coach,
that guy out of Colorado. He seems to be the

(57:29):
one with the knowledge. He seems to be the guy
I feel like i'd go to him. Who would you
go with?

Speaker 3 (57:34):
I don't know, most likely same thing John Jones. I'll
probably like Rampage.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
Is a good choice.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
He's a great choice, man, Listen. He has a lot
of knowledge and for sure, but not Jones.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
Then I'll probably do like I do like Sean O'Malley.

Speaker 1 (57:49):
You know his coach. His coach is good. You know,
I don't know about Sean O'Malley as a coach. O'Malley,
nothing's wrong with him. I just I don't know. I
feel like I don't see him as a coach yet.
Too young. Yeah, yeah, I get you. His I forget that.
I'm blanking on the name of his coach, but his
coach would be great.

Speaker 3 (58:07):
His coaches, he seems to be his name of his coach.
I think it's Liam Needswer.

Speaker 1 (58:14):
I'm pretty sure his coach is actually Canelo Alvarez.

Speaker 3 (58:18):
I don't know Canelos and bees Bro. I would definitely
be down to, like I was definitely studying. Yeah, with
link up with the Mexicans. I've got a Mexican badge Bromim.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
Tim Ak, Canelo Alvarez. What if you went through monster
a Canelo Alvarez?

Speaker 4 (58:37):
Crazy, right, I would have to go through every Yeah, like,
get all the badges first. I'll start with Pokemon Master
bro Beavers and then you end up with like the Brazilians.
I feel like it was a good way to start
for boxing, be a good way to go a little
bit little, just conquered all the fucking and then you're
yeeri and fucking.

Speaker 1 (58:57):
You know.

Speaker 3 (58:58):
So you're saying, let's see, you're saying the kobivers As,
you say have the wrestling. You're saying, Mexicans have the hands,
the boxing, the boxing, Brazilians have what tie tie.

Speaker 1 (59:11):
The jiu jitsu?

Speaker 2 (59:12):
Well, yeah, that's that's where you know, Brazilian jiu jitsu.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
Brazilian they got the jiu jitsu. What else?

Speaker 2 (59:21):
And then the samurai niggas that in the mix.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
That's something else. I don't know if you can train that.
I think that you're born with that. I don't know
what that is. But Batman esque Batman does something different.
I don't know where he goes or where he trains,
but I think he's on by himself. Have you seen
what he does for training, bro Batman? Which one yeah, yeah,
it is created buys me like Batman, the tennis ball

(59:46):
eye training test and all that kind of stuff. The
one where he's just staring at a graft to just
be able to train his eyes to focus and stuff
like that. I'm just like, what is going on? I mean,
I get it, man, I know Curry be doing that.
He be dribbling tennis balls, which is crazy. I've seen
them like it works. It works, man, hand eye hand eye.
You know you should have just.

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
Been studying more tastes with Perreira. But yeah, you know,
I guess the grafts and tennis both for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
I think I think it's gonna be one of those
things of like you gotta like move around for sure
to get the best because I don't think I know
anybody that has stuck with the same camp that has
been as successful, because I think John Jones has been
with the same camp, so he would be one. I
think a Bee b also stayed with the same camp,
so he would be another. And I think after that
there's kind of like people that kind of move around.
DC was pretty successful and he stayed with I think

(01:00:31):
the same camp for the most part. So there's a
few that have stayed with the same camp and they've
managed it like kind of a stick. But I guess
it just depends on where you go, man, and how
you kind of want to go about the game. But
I think we've all kind of agreed at this point
that combat Tombo is like the best base and you
just go from there, just kind of tie up this episode.
We're gonna go over three you have see three eleven
announcements and uh, we're gonna go into a breakdown of

(01:00:52):
that card later on at the top of the year.
But we're just gonna give you, guys a quick little
taste just to hold you over for the winter. We
know it's a little cold, you know, so big announcements
Isla versus arm and su rookie and when we already
knew that that one's gonna happen. Early predictions for this fight, guys,
I got this right there too. I think Armin is
going to present a big, big test Islam. I think

(01:01:14):
this is one that we can see go past round three,
maybe even round four. I'm not gonna lie to you
on the feet maybe and and honestly, could I could
see a close one. I could see a close They're
they're they're pretty close. In terms of I would say,
like stats, it's just that like m m a maths garbage,
But like I would definitely say, we've seen Islam beat

(01:01:36):
his opponents in a much more dominant fashion. For the
most part, it looks crazy, whereas like Islam dominated Charles
and Charles almost finished Arman, Yeah, he did lose by
split decision.

Speaker 3 (01:01:51):
Again, I probably would Charles. The same thing with them judges.
We need that vote, we need that vote, vote vote.
That's one judge test. So what I'm saying, and that's
what I think. I think the idea of everybody. Do
you think it should be five judges with one life
vote or you think it should be three when it comes.

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
To decision everybody votes.

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
I think I think it should be normal judges three, but.

Speaker 4 (01:02:18):
Also with the live vote, if it out weighs those
judges that much.

Speaker 3 (01:02:23):
Yeah, so four then so it's gonna be four judges,
but the live vote always outweighs the regular judges.

Speaker 4 (01:02:31):
If they vote is similar to no, no, if it's
if it's three to one, then know like if it's
an unanimous decision in the crowds, just because because because
now that we have a live vote, technically it's four,
so it's not gonna be odds, That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:02:44):
Should we do five, so it's gonna be four judges
and one life vote, Like what Dana gets a vote? No, no,
just four judges or or just actual commission judges. We're
just adding one more audi, adding a live vote exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
I'd be with that. I'd be with that. It's kind
of like a popular vote, you know. I like that
about that because at that point, like like I said,
when it comes to the m m A Math like
he almost got choked out and literally was pants in
the middle of the fight by Charles, I'm never going
to forget that. And then Islam managed to just blow
the doors off of Charles. So I feel like, Mma, Math,

(01:03:18):
you kind of got to go with Islam on that one,
or like the.

Speaker 3 (01:03:21):
Fourth judge, what I was thinking, that much pressure on
Dana bro It should be you Bro, it should be
an announcer Brogan or DC whoever. It's not there exactly.
I feel like one announcer should be a judge. They'd
be judging either way. But then they always and.

Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
They were like judge, they do, they do give their
kind of opinion on that one. Like you hear them
at the end of the fight. They'll be like, oh,
that kind of seemed like that one, this guy took
it over a little bit north the end or something
like that. They'll always give that kind of like opinion,
so it's like an opinion piece. You give that opinion vote,
and then you have the actual like, oh, this is
score base. Dana White's trying to get Mark Zuckerberg to
create AI to have scored.

Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
I heard about that, so we'll see how that goes.
I don't know about having an AI judge.

Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
You know, I guess it depends, well, if anything, that
could be how it's scoring it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:08):
You can have people and AI exactly who have an
AI actually scored like the strikes landed and missed, because
so they will say it on that counts a human error.
We'll have humans AI and then popular vote. That would
I think be the best way to go about it.
That way we could have at.

Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
Least aires judge ideally would be unbiased, and we can
kind of see how that one goes. And then moving
on in the three eleven announcements, we got Marob devolish
Villi versus Umar and de Maga Matov. That one's going
to be a heated fight. I don't know if you
guys gopping at one another, but they hate each other.
That was going to be a good, low key It
seems like it's more Morob that has beef with the

(01:04:45):
entire Kabeb than anything else. Like, I don't know what
is going on. I keep hearing people bring up this
whole Russia versus Georgian beef and I don't really know.
I gotta go do my history lesson and brush up
on that one. But I think it has to do
something a little bit more personal than just country beef.
It seems like these two guys have like some serious
issues from with one another, but it seems more so

(01:05:07):
on like Morob. Now, some people think it's like an
insecurity thing where he's scared, and he thinks that because
right now this boys are defeated boys coming at him
in the vengeance. So there's a chance that he goes
and he takes that.

Speaker 4 (01:05:19):
I love the way that they talk ship to the
kind of like they're very respectful people and once they
like get disrespect only once they get disrespected is when
they will cross that line.

Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
Yeah, that's also one of my rules life rules.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
I always respect them to disrespect it for sure, But
it's also one of those things like it they get
they take ship. That's crazy because like for example, like
I think Dustin when he was fighting Islam. He just
said like he said, MF and that set him. What
you say about my mother took, it's very literal.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
It's very jokes crazy, very literal.

Speaker 1 (01:05:50):
He took that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
Have so many mama jokes, but your best mama joke
ahead like that, like the types that I end up book,
I can't even.

Speaker 1 (01:06:00):
Your mama is so big, she sat next to everybody
in the classroom. Your mama so old, she sat next
to Jesus in her yearbook photo.

Speaker 3 (01:06:10):
Always a good So she went to antique shop, you know,
and they wouldn't let her leaves a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
Of that's that's always good. That's always going like, yeah, whatever,
your mama right, Your mama.

Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
So old, she want to go breast food you and
powder came out, just stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (01:06:28):
Next to the I used to call him a jump
aline until your mama jumped on it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:35):
Yeah, yeah, you'll figure it out. Right, that went on
and you'll figure it out. So next up we have
benil versus. The names are not said the way that
they are spelled. Money, good job, take no shots honestly
the names. If I'm not, if I'm going to be
very honest with you, technically I should have taken one

(01:06:56):
because it's not Morob devolish really, it's morob villy.

Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
Well just because you corrected yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:07:02):
You know, he knows it too.

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
He just knows that people understand the other one.

Speaker 1 (01:07:06):
It's because you're gonna look at the d v A
L and you're gonna be like demolish villy. You're not
gonna think the Polish villy, you know. So you know
I'm gonna go with kind of how it's looking there.
We should have like these people like like bring their
mom in, like my name's my name. That's the only
way exact. Some fighters just let it go even looking

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and looking now because like I guess in Portuguese, ours
are kind of like j H is like how we
have it and it will be instead of vernadomicano. It's
not the mkano like the worst bro.

Speaker 3 (01:07:38):
It's like when Portuguese be like oh yeah, and like
let me start speaking to you Portuguese.

Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
Like I don't know, I know, right, no follow no follow.

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
With the amount of like the amount of people that
I bump into that are like speak Portuguese, or the
amount of fighters that I watch now that are Portuguese,
Charles over to be one of my favorite I feel
like I gotta learn it brow at this point.

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
It definitely makes sense to learn, especially around this area.

Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
Around here the North shore Man, we got mad love
for the Brazilians and Brazilians everywhere your shout out Shout
Vera's the spot. Oh Man Hayden sponsored the podcast Dude
Crazy Around.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
Definitely trying to go to Brazil for sure, but I.

Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
Think I got I got, I got money more condo
in that one listen the man had the man has
given me. He said this one thing right and I
took this to the chest and I was like, he's
got a point. He goes, I can't afford to lose,
and I was just like, I feel like a lot
of people say that. He's like, I can't afford to lose, brother,
And I'm like, what does that mean right there? Like
you can't afford to lose? He goes, bro, I just
had a kid and I just bought a house. I
got bills to pay.

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
I cannot afford to lose. And I'm like, all right,
you straight up, you cannot afford it. Kid in one
hand got the house and the other.

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
Going also like he's got the confidence in the hunger
that he thinks he's the best in the world right
now that he can kick the doors right off of Islam.
He can go in there and just beat that boy up.
So like that and I'm not gonna lie. But Nil
Reusch like he's kind of older in the tooth right now.
He's a great fighter, but like, I just think that
right now, he's just he doesn't have that kind of
hunger that these younger guys have. We're gonna go with
the younger guy. I'm gonna go with nothing with money.

(01:09:08):
Shout out to show me the Money podcast. By the way,
check them out too. They're dope. Hopefully we'll have a
collapse soon. I'm working on it. Yeah. After that, we
got Yeri Poraska versus Jamal Hill your favorite Yeeri in two.
I got that argument in the gym. Ever since that, No, honestly,
I think Jamal Hill is gonna take this one. I
think this is you know, he's nice, bro, That's why

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that's why I get annoyed with him, because I'm just like, bro,
like that stuff outside something nice too. But Yeary is nice.
But he's too much of a wild card, I feel
like because he doesn't have that kind of like solid
base that it's just like he's too a predictable where
it could work out in your favor, but against the
guys that are a little slower, like he got the
title from beating an older glover to share, you know
what I mean. Like it's one of those things like
he's good, do not get it twisted.

Speaker 3 (01:09:53):
The unpredictability is there, But someone who's in there like
studying like jam Hill, he's.

Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
Gonna he's gonna get especially with someone with Jamal Listen,
the whole thing is sweet dreams Hill. He knocks people
out like he's got punch of power that doesn't make sense.
You see his ko clips, he like connects and they
just go to bed. It literally doesn't make s. My
favorite example is the Johnny Walker knockout. He punches him
on like the like skids him on like the top

(01:10:18):
of the head and it's like an off button in
his head and you just see Johnny Walker just like
flip back and just fall. You're like, what just happened there?
I don't know what just happened, but he literally just
shut him off. It's crazy. So I think Jamal Hill
takes that one for sure easy to I think that
that one's gonna be and especially now that he's on
this whole thing of like going back to the title,
he doesn't get this one, by the way, he ain't
seen that title for a hot man. I'll tell you

(01:10:39):
that for sure. And then we got to round that
one off at least for the main card. We got
Kevin Holland versus Renee Or. This is gonna be hard
because it's technically it's a different language, but I believe
it's Renee de Ridder. This is how you pronounce his
name like that, But Ritder. I believe it's how you
pronounce it, not because the thing is it's it's it's
spelled Renier to Ridder, and I don't think you pronounce

(01:11:00):
that are so I think it's reneedea Ritter. He's somebody
that's gonna be interesting to watch. Kevin Holland at this point,
I don't want to say is a journeyman, but he's
definitely somebody that if he doesn't he needs to win
this one to refocus. I think if he, if he
kind of gears himself towards believing that he is going
to be the best, he has a title shot. He dude,

(01:11:21):
you're gonna be making crazy money, but you need to
keep your name in the big fight.

Speaker 3 (01:11:25):
Only thing that would really help him out if he
switches his tattoos, then he switches.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
Yeah, do whatever this man did.

Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
Oh do the whole refresh the whole back tack, just
redo the whole body. The Dan Hooker, by that hooker,
by the VC points Dan Hooker treatment is just get
the hall, get the whole new kid man. I think
it's gonna be great. He's got to figure it out.
Kevin Holland still one of my favorite fighters. The man's
good man. He's an overall skilled fighter. He just like

(01:11:56):
I think for him, it's a focus thing. It's not
a skill, it's a will issue, you know what I mean? Like, yeah,
the last one I forget, you know he it wasn't
the one, Uh who you thinking it wasn't When he
was Hams was a bitter go. I think that was
one of his most recent losses. M v P. M

(01:12:17):
v P made him look like a clown. MVP for
sure kind of made him look like a clown. He
kept him at bay and really didn't let him do
a whole lot, and he kind of kept him like
he did. He didn't he didn't. Uh. Most recent he
lost against Roman de LEDs Uh in October. Actually he
beat I'm gonna let you do this one, docause I've

(01:12:40):
been throwing out the hard ones. You're talking to me,
all right.

Speaker 2 (01:12:46):
It was clearly pointed at him, Bron come on taking
those shots, Alexis, Alexi, let me try.

Speaker 1 (01:13:05):
Yeah what he said, Jacheck, Yeah, exactly what. They just
skip half the letters in that problem list. I am Dominican,
and I will tell you Dominicans have a hard reputation
for the things that we name our kids. Shout out
to my siblings. I won't throw your names out there
because it's disrespectful, but crazy names. I'm the only one

(01:13:28):
that lucked out with one bro. It's crazy. You see
the rest of the three of them, crazy man. But yeah,
I I I think Kevin Holland has got to refocus
and then he gets this win and he goes back
on track and he's still going to keep his name
and the top ten at least man because he his
whole thing is like, I'm just here to make money.
I'm a prize fighter. I want money. But you got
to be in those big names to keep getting that
big money and that's why I think he's gonna have

(01:13:50):
to go in.

Speaker 3 (01:13:51):
Fact as like, as a Dominican, Bro, your name definitely
is like one of a kind, really is all right?

Speaker 1 (01:13:59):
He's like this but terrible, terrible, terrible. You know what's crazy.
It's crazy is that I really lucked out because like
my birthday is the reason that I got my name,
so so you can all celebrate it's a national holiday.
June twenty fourth is San Juan Day or for you
know the others.

Speaker 2 (01:14:17):
It's I'm like, how does that have anything to do
with one harrow?

Speaker 1 (01:14:25):
But yeah, I lucked out, bro, because I was going
to be named after my dad and everybody had known
me as our j because it would have never figured
out my first name. Anyway. Yeah, with that, we're going
to wrap up this episode now before we go, some
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As always, anybody who wants to be on the episodes,
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Speaker 2 (01:15:17):
I know how big the fighting community really is. Yeah,
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Speaker 1 (01:15:23):
Yeah, there's a lot more fans appreciate watching. Dude. I
get like, it's not even like, oh my god, I'm
getting stopped. But at least I have a lot more
conversations with people that are into fighting than than you
would think. So, like the people, don't be sco don't
be sorry. Listen, we won't even got to put a
camera on you like that. If you don't want to,
we'll have your voice, But just to have you in
the studio having that conversation with us will be dope.
But yeah, man, As always, everybody shout out to shout

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we head out of here?

Speaker 4 (01:16:27):
Greg bars my dog, shout out Young Soldiers Success Group.

Speaker 2 (01:16:32):
I've been training with.

Speaker 1 (01:16:33):
Them, shout out, shout out and trying to get myself back.
Was the knee? Light?

Speaker 2 (01:16:37):
Heavyweight?

Speaker 1 (01:16:37):
Was the knee? Last time we checked in, you were like,
I got a bomb knee right now.

Speaker 4 (01:16:40):
I had a couple of rehab days with Young Soldiers
Success Group, and I started to feel a lot better.

Speaker 2 (01:16:46):
I'm back to hooping again.

Speaker 1 (01:16:48):
Nice, nice, a little half court.

Speaker 4 (01:16:49):
Yesterday I did my first full court and I played
amazing and my knee super sore today.

Speaker 1 (01:16:56):
So it'd be like that. But that's how it goes.

Speaker 2 (01:16:58):
It's part of the process, part of the process of
one thing.

Speaker 1 (01:17:00):
I want to chicken on you. How's the UFC five
character going?

Speaker 2 (01:17:03):
You'll see five characters Jesus Christ.

Speaker 1 (01:17:05):
So my guy character's name Beard and all. He just comes.
I forget.

Speaker 2 (01:17:11):
I forget his name at this point because he just
keeps it. So guy heavyweight champion, he had one. He
ends up losing the championships.

Speaker 4 (01:17:20):
A Texas guy got the cowboy hat, really powerful human being,
ends up sucking, getting getting submitted. I go down to
light heavyweight, I beat everybody except the top best fighters
and lose to every top best fighter. Now his career
is like do I even continue this? It's very falling off.

Speaker 1 (01:17:42):
If you were to relate the game, if you were
to relate him to a current fighter, who would he be.
Oh man, it might have to be like Dominic Grays.
Damn that some I don't know. I'm gonna have to
go with, like he wasn't thrown into the Elsabeth, Yeah,
that's not bad.

Speaker 2 (01:18:05):
Go yeah yeah yeah, crazy right, like a crazy run.

Speaker 4 (01:18:10):
Maybe one loss out of all of this, got to
the top, won a championship, defended the championship, lost one
heavyweight fight light heavyweight, one lost, lost.

Speaker 1 (01:18:22):
One lost. That's a solid record and with that this
has been another episode of un Educated m m A.
We will have another year ending episode coming out soon.
Thank you everybody for checking a fireworks then for sure
technical that. As always I have been wander Brad. This
is the b m F R e G. This is

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the n MF DIS Justin and all out later peace,