Take 25 : UFC 317

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:20):
Welcome everybody to another episode of Uneducated MMA. I'm your
host with the most wonder bread. I'm coming at you
live with another great episode to go over a whole
lot of information. As of recording today. This is Sunday,
June twenty second. I normally don't go off with the dates,
but that is very important because breaking news.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
John Jones has retired.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
Nuts, it's nuts now to go over the intros real quick.
Of course joining me is the Bee and Meth champion
up the world worry and I didn't forget the nickname,
so we're going with the wolf tee ball.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
Yeah, welcome back, guys. Welcome back. Be a great episode.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
Yeah. I knew when I had the news, we already
had this one schedule. But then I saw the news
and I was like, this is gonna be an even
better episode.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
Literally perfect.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
It was.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
It was like they were just like here's for you,
this is just for you. They was like, I got
you a gift. You're gonna record today, bro wild times.
Like I said before, we recorded the mics and everything.
Everything got set up, like I need to say this
off rep. Do we think that John Jones retired on
his own will or Dana saw the charges before John
did and was like we need to.

Speaker 4 (01:33):
Like, it's like the charges it's coming out now. So
it's like he had to find out long ago. So
it's like, if you found out long ago, why is
it took so long?

Speaker 3 (01:45):
Is it because they.

Speaker 4 (01:46):
Really found out it's really John Jones that fucking fled
the scene or right or what?

Speaker 1 (01:51):
But I don't know for those for those of you
that don't know pretty much because this is all still fresh.
There was a woman that was found in the car
under the influence of a few substances. She was found
undressed to some capacity, and allegedly John Jones was the
one that was driving the car that had been crashed.
John Jones was asked about it and he was just like,
she left my house, lit, I don't know what happened.

(02:12):
She crashed outs on her. That's as much as we
have in the stories. There's a lot of allegeds right now.
No one has been confirmed on anything. But it's just
weird to me that Dana White at a press conference
right after their Baku car decides to be like all right,
John Jones is done. Everyone's like wait, what what and
then like three hours later it's like Oh, here's all
the media for like what the allegeds?

Speaker 4 (02:32):
You know, right, didn't he talk about it too at
the press conference like oh, yeah, we're gonna get the
fight done this and then what like two days later
he retires.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
He gave him a two it was a two week
like what do you do?

Speaker 1 (02:44):
He gave him like a two week notice of like,
you have this period of time here for you to
be able to make a decision on whether or not
you're going to fight Tom.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
And then he gave him basically forty eight hours and.

Speaker 4 (02:52):
He was just like, good done, because now that the division.

Speaker 5 (02:57):
Can move, so for sure, finally, right, finally.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
It's funny because I've been hearing like I immediately started
listening to everybody else's takes and see what other people
the media that have more you know, resources, stuff looking
to this stuff are saying. Everybody's like, all right, who's
next in the division?

Speaker 2 (03:11):
Is it going to be?

Speaker 1 (03:12):
Uh, Cyril Gone is going to be? Who else did
they throw in there? I feel like there was it
was volkov I guess was thrown in there a little
bit off of the weird thing that he had with
cerro Gone. But I feel like there's not really a
lot of names that like people are like really big,
like even Jilton. I'll made it with Strown in there,
and I'm just like, guys there aren't. It's not very
exciting compared to the John Jones thing that we were
about to have. You know who is exciting though, Waldough. Yeah,

(03:36):
all the money on Waldo his name was his name
was left out, bro and listen, he's right now sitting
at seven.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
He can.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
He's fighting Sergey Pavlovich ranked number four. He gets that win,
that's the title shot for sure. Shot for me, I
don't know.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
I like it and I like that matchup.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
I do too. That'd be a good that'd be a
good one big Dominican over here.

Speaker 5 (03:58):
But other than on every part, you can't.

Speaker 6 (04:02):
Dog on that parlay.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
Yeah, people hate on his on his fighting style, but
so far he's been winning the good time.

Speaker 7 (04:08):
I see that fight, I was going, I think it
gets that far.

Speaker 5 (04:13):
He's a little sharpening right of skills.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
We said this on one of our previous episodes where
like we're ready to start to go fund me to
send him to Dagstan. Yeah. For me, for me, it's
just the the it's a wrestling thing that I think
is the threat. Like on the feed, I feel like
they got it.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
Obviously.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
Tom is a pretty quick heavyweight, Like, for sure, we
got But I think the wrestling aspect is going to
be the thing. I think you watch all those fights
and you can tell he likes to stand up. He
has take down defense. But sharping that blade up, like
you said, and then we'll do a lot better.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
Definitely.

Speaker 8 (04:42):
I see the picture with him with Alex Pereira's camp. Yeah, yeah,
so I'm hoping.

Speaker 6 (04:46):
That's like how about Pereira though, are we gonna see?

Speaker 1 (04:49):
Yeah, he's forty, he can move up and take he
can do it. I think even with the loss, even
though he doesn't have the belt, the name is still
big enough that they could throw him in there.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
Why not.

Speaker 4 (04:58):
Maybe he had the job, you know, vacate or give
it to ASA, but you're the next fight with that.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
I'll think that's crazy, right, I mean, you got to
give him something.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
I would right away.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
I think it needs some excitement up there. For sure,
Tom's willing to fight anybody. I think he said several
times He's like, I just want to be able to
go in there and showcase my skills. But at the
same time, Like let's get his boy paid a little bit.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
You know.

Speaker 6 (05:22):
Yeah, But the thing with aspinall is his fights last
a minute and a half, so he can't showcase any
I mean, he's showcasing his power and yeah that he
can knock people.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
Out, but it's a weird flex to have because it's
a good thing and a bad thing somehow.

Speaker 6 (05:36):
That's why I think John Jones was going to be
the best fight for him, because that was going.

Speaker 8 (05:40):
To be the real money fact that sometimes it's like
you can be the champion, but are you a superstar too?

Speaker 6 (05:45):
Like you have to be both.

Speaker 8 (05:47):
In the Toms hasn't fought in such a long time,
where like whose fault is that? Yeah, we know, we
know all that is, but like he kind of like
loses out of side of mind kind of thing where
you don't you don't see him, kind of.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
Like lose interest in the whole Connor, Mike, you know.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
If it helps, you can watch his entire career in
under five minutes. Yeah, if you want to brush up
real quick, that's pretty dumb. You can do that.

Speaker 4 (06:09):
So yeah, I don't know, I have more training videos
than fucking fights.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
It's same, bro, that doesn't make any sense to me.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
I just feel like for him, it's going to be
a weird intro to him being like the official heavyweight champion.
I think the whole division is going to be a
little weird for the next couple of months, and then
it will sort itself out.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
I think that John Jones shadow is still gonna linger.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
People are still going to bring it up to Tom like, oh,
do you think you should have fought him?

Speaker 2 (06:30):
But I think he's fine.

Speaker 5 (06:31):
Feel like sale gun is a good one to remind
people real quick.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
I think so too, it is.

Speaker 4 (06:35):
But at the same time, I'm tired of seeing him fight. Yeah,
you know he lost twice or whatever.

Speaker 6 (06:42):
Yeah, he's the Kobe Comington of the heavyweight you know,
without without the without them, you know.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
I just and there, like, how do you keep getting
the how did you end up here?

Speaker 2 (06:53):
I'll lose it? Did you end up here?

Speaker 1 (06:55):
That's so true, you know it is, though to the
extent I think this is his third or fourth shot
at the and every time he loses pretty bad.

Speaker 4 (07:01):
I think they need to get guys who have passports
and can travel and then bring them to the States
and do actual contenders, because these literally recycling that fucking
top ten.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
Yeah, ridiculous, I say, Dana just starts getting getting after
and starts poaching people from other organizations, rolling up with
the bank trucks and starts seeing people. Because at this point,
I just like, like you said, the recycling of using
the same couple of guys over and over again, and
then we were we were talking about it just like
without even thinking about the pod, just like in general
over the topic. And even the guys that are in
the top five rank like they have too many losses

(07:34):
for you to be like, yeah, title shot makes no,
they don't, that's all you see. Like an other I
think both heavyweight and light heavyweight have a similar situation
where it's just like, yeah, that top five, it's kind
of ass yeah, it kind they're not very good, you
know what I mean, they're gonna keep getting you know,
you get one win, fine, we'll give you a title shot,
like I don't know, off of one stupid win. Like
that's the reason the Khalil round trees are ranked eight

(07:56):
get a title shot because.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
Everyone else is so trash.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
Literally it doesn't make it sense to me, bro, But
hopefully they figure it out soon with the.

Speaker 4 (08:03):
I don't know if you guys have been seeing like
the Contender series and like stuff like that. Wasn't like
I've seen that they were posting something about heavyweights and
it's like those contenders that they were showing pretty good.
So it's like win or lose, at least give him
a twelve twelve contract to see if they can fucking

(08:26):
do something in the USC heavyweight you know what I mean,
because at this point we're literally just a guy in
recycling in it, and I.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
Think that they would have a better opportunity now in
that division to be able to get like sling shot
towards the title shot versus like other ones where there's
like a small stacked division heavyweights, you genuinely need to
string together three or four and they'll get your name
out there, especially because it's going to be like crazy
knockouts for the most part. There was the one I'm
trying to find it now, the first fight of the
night with Mohammed Usman, like he he would be one,

(08:55):
but also the guy that he was fighting, a Hamdi,
Like that guy was pretty good. He was pretty quick
for so, like, did you see these guys who aren't
really ranked yet, Like, yeah, they're doing a lot better
than I would argue the top five. I think that's
the reason we saw Curtis Blades fight some dude that
was like unranked who I think came from the contenders.

Speaker 6 (09:10):
Yeah, but what did you guys think of that that way?

Speaker 1 (09:13):
Yeah, that decision, it was weird, But I don't think
I think Curtis Blazs to me, did enough to like
get But it's just, you know.

Speaker 4 (09:19):
I give Curtis first two rounds. Third round, dude came up,
showed up. Yeah, did some damage, but even in the
first two, it's like, all right, Curtis, what damage did
he do?

Speaker 1 (09:28):
That's what I'm saying. It's one of those things where
like it point wise, yeah, Curtis, but like if you
were not going to off of like action, that's why
you kind of go.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
The other way.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
But even then, I feel like still, but that's my
thing is that I feel like I get the big
finish at the end. I think should matter in an
extensive But this is me, like they say, I think
we should change up how they score, you know what
I mean? Like, I feel like if you're the fresher fighter, definitely.

Speaker 6 (09:50):
To be renewed or like refreshed something.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
Because then then we would have situations where like Tomorrow
versus Hamzat, Tomorrow might have won that fight off of
like near the strength of how b well he was
doing at the end of the fight and how bad
homs I was looking. I feel like you would do
stuff like that for sure. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
I think Curtis just did enough.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
When it comes to the wrestling, something about like, if
you're able to just hold the guy down for long enough,
they're gonna be like you pretty much holding down. You
know that's the worst part, holding down, not damage. If
you're able to just hold him down, Yeah, it should
be damaged. It should be the grounded pound should be
like I guess brought back in the sense of it
should be worth a lot more, and I think that
it is. But for some reason now it's just like acceptable.

(10:28):
I see somebody like.

Speaker 5 (10:30):
A full mount and go right for an arm bar,
and I'm like, bro, just fucking pounds face it. You're
literally perfect positions.

Speaker 6 (10:39):
Well, especially with the new the twelve twelve to six elbows,
like we've seen it use.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
A couple of times in the last couple of weeks.

Speaker 6 (10:46):
Did you guys see the thing we saw something about
in Jersey the newer card. Yeah, is that real?

Speaker 1 (10:52):
Yeah, so Jersey that like specific commission they don't allow
certain things.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
I think the twelve to six.

Speaker 1 (10:58):
And up up kick. Yeah, that was also note Craig fight, right, Yeah, what.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
Do you guys think about Vagan or not vagan or
not good acting? Right?

Speaker 6 (11:09):
Great acting acting? Yeah, that was just embarrassing. I've never
seen anybody look at the ref chat and then then
you get knocked out.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
People are saying that it was people were saying that
it was the he looked at the ref on the
way down and then he hit his head off.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
He got like knocked down.

Speaker 5 (11:32):
I don't think.

Speaker 6 (11:34):
Before Yeah, because even so when he was laying there
on his back, he's like, you can see him looking around.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
He should have just taken the point and just kept pushing.
He was already winning. He was the point. I would
have it.

Speaker 6 (11:45):
It makes you wonder, though, It makes you wonder why,
why why did he do that?

Speaker 2 (11:50):
He felt I don't know.

Speaker 6 (11:51):
All Craig doesn't seem didn't seem to be really in
control of that fight.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
That's why I wonder why it is that he decided
to just be like I guess the flop, you know,
he was winning, I would have taken the point, kept
kept moving because he would have then been up either
which way it would have went to decision.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
Anyway, it would have won.

Speaker 6 (12:07):
How about I don't know. Maybe I'm the only one
that thought of this. I think I said it to
him when we watched at the weigh ends. Bro just
called out pulled out of their last fight for having herpes,
right yep. And they they were, they were, they were touching. Yeah,
I mean, hey, I'm just I was kind of confused.
It's something where I'm like, you know, you comforted, do

(12:29):
you say that?

Speaker 1 (12:30):
But at the same time, like you're signed enough to
be like covered in sweat blood. I feel it around
some dude.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
Pause.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
I feel It's just I don't know. I think I
think at a certain point, like when you're a fighter,
you don't even you don't even think about that no more.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
You're just like it is what it is, Bro. Yeah,
I'm getting paid, Bro. I don't know, but I do.
I think it's weird though with the face off.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
I never understood that. Maybe's because I'm not a fighter,
Like I never understood the like I get like I'm
gonna stare you down, But why am I getting within like.

Speaker 6 (12:54):
You guys got if you guys got a real beef,
and like it's like that real tension understandable, but like
they didn't seem like they had beef.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
They weren't.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
It's like right, sometimes they just they just get in
each other's faces like that.

Speaker 6 (13:07):
But Paul Craig does get amped up when he's got
his face paint on, and you know, he goes, that's
kind of interesting exactly, So like understand it. I understand it.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
I think they're going to run that one back.

Speaker 6 (13:19):
I don't want it, really, I mean.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
It's it's a whag fight, nobody cares.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
But I think they're gonna probably run it back, just
off the strength of how it ended. Man, that was
what a what a weird couple of days. It's been
like it's been a weird couple of weeks with weird
months months for sure. But I thought Buckley was going
to beat usman, Yeah right, I think.

Speaker 6 (13:37):
We all did.

Speaker 5 (13:38):
Did you see his knees too, Like.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
The way he got out of the van. It was
why I was like, yo, I don't think he's got
it no more. But you know what it is, I
think I think with him, he like saves every bit
of knee strength for when he's everything else, he's doing
it very poorly, but when he's fighting, they're they're perfectly fine.

Speaker 8 (13:55):
For some reason about it, just buckle any minute, Like, yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
That's what I was waiting for, bro I was waiting
for one of them just to give out and Buckley
just to fuck him up.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
But it didn't happen.

Speaker 6 (14:05):
But what what do you guys thinks next for Usman
because he's you know.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
He's on title shot and off the strength of the name,
like they could do it again. The UFC gets weird
when it comes to this entertainment versus ranking stuff, like
they could if they wanted to, they could just give
him a shot. I don't see why they wouldn't. I
do think he's got a couple of people ahead of him.
I do think that there's going to be like he
can either wait it out or he can take one more.
But I think it'd be really risky because it would

(14:30):
be like a Balah Muhammad, I think would be who
he would end up fighting, somebody like that.

Speaker 6 (14:34):
I don't think.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
I don't think he'd want to do it.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
I think he wants to go for a title shot,
but at the end of the day, they're gonna be like, No,
who's he going to do? Just retire or is he
going to take at least one or two and see
if you can get another title shot off for that.
I feel like that would make more sense. I think
Islam's taking that belt away from j DM personally, So
then Islam, to me, is going to be in this
hypothetical situation, Islam will be the champion. He would either
have a rematch with Leon Edwards, he can fight a

(14:59):
Shot Caught or Sean Brady, or those are the people
that are ahead of him. I feel like three of
the people I just named are all in the same
picture of like I'm gonna wait for my title shot.
I think Shot Cut wants to wait. I think shot
Sean Brady is waiting. But I think he'd be willing
to fight somebody in the meantime. Leon, I don't think
he has.

Speaker 6 (15:16):
I thought they had him.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
There was there was rumors of him supposed to fight somebody,
but I don't know if he's got let me let
me check this out and say. But I feel like
I could see the trilogy not being something so sought
out after. So I don't think people are really gonna
want to see that. That would be like a co
main event. Maybe I don't see that being like maybe
a main event of a fight night. But but even then,
I feel like if.

Speaker 6 (15:38):
He beats the trilogy for whom.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
Gamorrow and Leon, but I feel like even if the
straight to the win, if he beats Leon, he's in
the same kind of level.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
Give him a title shot?

Speaker 6 (15:48):
Quad?

Speaker 2 (15:49):
Would it be?

Speaker 7 (15:50):
Quad?

Speaker 6 (15:50):
They fought at the beginning, Leon just beat him twice
over the last couple of years, Leon knock him out
the head?

Speaker 2 (15:57):
Oh yeah, Leon beat him? This would be the fourth,
this would.

Speaker 6 (16:00):
Be That's why they definitely can't.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
I completely forgot about what they were young keeping.

Speaker 6 (16:07):
We got away from like they used to do that
with like the chocolate dells and the pages and yeah yeah,
and we don't want to see that, at least I don't.
Leon and Tomorrow four he beat him twice.

Speaker 7 (16:19):
Leans are not really or is he an Alex that.

Speaker 3 (16:25):
Exciting guy which I should.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
Say, you know, there's no build up with him.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
I feel like he had that excitement of the headshot
dead and that was a lot of high.

Speaker 6 (16:33):
But then I really liked him.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
He's a fighter, but like we're talking like entertainment value here.
For me, I don't think the entertainment values there with him.
I think he's an exciting fighter and he has his
moments for the most part.

Speaker 8 (16:44):
The last couple of performers kind of like like top
Boy kind of that's like that type of vibe.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
Yeah, I'm trying. I'm trying to see I don't think.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
I don't even see anything of like a rumor fight
that he has up coming next.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
And I don't think that he.

Speaker 6 (17:01):
The last performance rightfully, So nothing scheduled.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
Yeah, so I see tomorrow's either getting He's rank number five,
so he's either getting scheduled with Sean or shop.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
I say he says no to Bela.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
I think they would offer him a law, but I
think he just outright just is so good.

Speaker 5 (17:19):
Though.

Speaker 6 (17:19):
I think it would be such a big money fight
for the USC. They could release the supposed.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
Promo, Oh he made him crying or whatever.

Speaker 6 (17:25):
They fought on the podcast or something altercation on the podcast.
They could probably do a good build up for it,
but I just don't know how well that will actually sell.
That neither of them are real.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
What you want.

Speaker 9 (17:39):
I think I think chirps pretty well he does because
I think, but that's why people tuned in. But he's
like the opposite like Kobe, where you want to see
the crazy shit Colby says, where like you want to
see the corny ship. He says, like we like make
fun of him on Twitter, like right afterwards, I feel
like with him, like he does sell as much as
people hate it, like and they're like, oh, he's a decision,

(17:59):
but like he sells off the strength that people want
to see him die and I it's.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
Messed up, but it's true.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
That's fair.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
Enough of that talk. Let's get to the main reason
why we're here.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
As we always do, these these episodes usually coincide with
the pay per view that's coming up now. Normally they're
all pretty good pay per views for the most part,
but this one, to me is very special. International Fight Week,
Ladies and Gentlemen, is finally upon us, coming up this Saturday. Now,
this card is stacked, in my opinion, at least the
main card. Pre Limbs get a little shaky for me,
but at least the main card is pretty good. Off Rip,

(18:33):
I already have a whole clip going over, but I'm
gonna go over him again. We got Iliots Supporia versus
Charles Olivera for the vacant lightweight belt, Alexandra Pantojia defending
against kai Kira France for the flyweight belt. Brandon roy
Valve versus Joshua Van what's his name ended up pulling out,
but Neil darr Us versus Nada Morkano, and we got
Peyton Talbot versus Felipe Lima. This is gonna be an

(18:55):
interesting night for multiple reasons in my opinion, because not
all do you have the whole situation with like Ilia,
and you have Charles who's gonna end up like the champ.
I hope it's Charles, But then you also have stuff
like Alexander Prandosha is a sleeper goat in my opinion,
he's also like very like I feel like, silently cleaning

(19:17):
out an entire division. So I wonder if he's gonna
end up making a decision soon to move off. So
I'm intrigued to see that you have Brandon roy val
who's fighting right before him, who's also then trying to
get another title shot against the guy who's gonna fight
right after him, So I feel like he has something
to prove and now he has this last minute killer
decided to step up to the plate, so we'll see
if he does well against that. We have another one

(19:38):
of old Guard do Guard kind of with not the
Moykno versus Banil Daryue. Let's see I ban Neil still
has what it takes to hold on. And then we
got Peyton Talbot versus Philipe de Lima. Just young dudes,
Let's see if they can crack out. So far, Payton
Talbot has been exciting to me, so I'm intrigued to
see how this one works out. So, guys, which one
do you want to dive into first? Which one do
we want to break down? Don't know?

Speaker 6 (19:57):
Last time we started from the bottom up right, are
from the top down.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
Let's do it.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
So Iliots versus Charles.

Speaker 6 (20:05):
I think we're all on the same side here. I
think we all.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
I think I think we might not be. I don't
know me not me.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
I put his card right there for a reason.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
I'm writing the Bronx.

Speaker 3 (20:31):
I love him, don't get me wrong.

Speaker 7 (20:32):
He's great, Olie.

Speaker 3 (20:34):
He's a true champ. Charlie is a true champ.

Speaker 6 (20:36):
Charlie.

Speaker 3 (20:37):
I always said it.

Speaker 4 (20:38):
After that loss to Islam, he deserved a second chance,
and he never got it.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
No, he got he got the weird cut, and then
they ended up rescheduling the fights and then it never
ended up happening.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
But I feel like he would have had his moment.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
That's why he said He's like, I'm not fighting that
dude on short notice on a folk camp.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
I want to be ready.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
I feel like Charles in this situation, like people are
counting him out off of no reason. I feel like
they keep they keep going as a dog man is bro,
I mean fun, we want him to beat so bad,
but all of a.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
Sudden gonna go on.

Speaker 3 (21:09):
Again Ilia next to uh Raoul.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
Yeah, and then just like much bigger than him, and
then Charles is.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
Much bigger than Yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:17):
I don't know, man, when I've seen that, I definitely
you know what are we talking like height and stature
and stuff like that. Max Holloway was also taller.

Speaker 4 (21:24):
He's not no fucking I even though he is a
go in his own division. But still, dude, it is.
It is going to be such an interesting time, bro,
because it's for me as much as I'm like Charles Lever,
this would be like an insane moment in his story.
For him to be able to beat Ilia and just
shut up all the haters again and just proved that
that's it.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
That would be a big like nuts.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
At the same time, if iliots to Poria takes another one, bro.

Speaker 6 (21:50):
Another one, three goats and a row.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
He's managed in such a short period of time. I
feel like he has been fighting for a bit, but
he's managed just a short period of time to just
make himself like he's.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
Doing He's just.

Speaker 3 (22:03):
He's somewhat doing what Alex did but better.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
Yeah, I would say, yeah, you know, I think with
Alex was more so like it was consistently the same
person versus this is like he's like a hitless of
the greats that are still active and he's just checking off.
If Alex had a couple more big names that he
was able to fight bill different but he ended it
was like Ias he was huge, and after that I
was like the Yearie fights were like these are exciting.
But I wouldn't say Yeary is a big name in

(22:27):
history right now, you know what I mean? Like nothing,
nothing too basy like that. But Ilia so far has
been like who's your favorite, I'm gonna kill him?

Speaker 2 (22:36):
What?

Speaker 6 (22:37):
Yeah, So I don't know I'm going with Alie.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
But you know it's the training videos. Yeah, I'm not
gonna lie.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
I get I get where you're coming.

Speaker 8 (22:46):
Joe Vogan fucking podcast, just watch it.

Speaker 5 (22:51):
I was just like, this guy's a beast.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
It was you. You fell in love with the character,
That's what it was.

Speaker 8 (22:56):
He usually usually ends up wing, and honestly, everybody I
choose has lost, so I probably shouldn't choose anybody to
be a fan of.

Speaker 5 (23:03):
It's been like that.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
Since because yesterday you picked the Iron Turtle.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
You're like, you know, I got Iron Turtle.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
In this one, and then he was immediately losing. He
was just like, but then he came back.

Speaker 5 (23:13):
Yeah he came You don't know, you figured it out.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
I'm saying, is Charles olvera and most of his fights
ends up getting knocked down a right.

Speaker 3 (23:19):
Back Taylor, heavy hitter, you know what I mean. Came
back right away.

Speaker 4 (23:24):
And look how the fight played out and how Elia
said he's gonna come out is he wants a first
round knockout. If he's coming out gunning, that's also him
swinging being Now I don't want to say reckless, Yeah,
a little more loose than tight, you know what.

Speaker 3 (23:39):
I mean all these were submission got.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
He also Charles Cracks bro gets Hard said that was
the hardest hit.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
He's like, that's the hardest punture I've ever had to fight.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
And we've seen him go to war with people, so
like for him to say that about Charles, I'm like,
all right, I don't know, man, if they decided they
decided to be like point in the middle and do it,
I don't know, man, I don't know. It's like the
one of the year, I'd say, so so far, this
is the one that has me the most excited. There's
been someones that are announced that are like cool, but like,
this is the one. I feel like there's a lot
of stakes on it. The last one was three.

Speaker 5 (24:09):
I got that excited.

Speaker 7 (24:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
I feel like with Ilia, he's got a few more
in him, and I think that this is going to
be one that makes a break, like how many exactly
he has left if he gets if he gets this win,
he gets the spelt.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
I think it's less than if he loses nationally.

Speaker 4 (24:26):
Do you think he ever goes back down, because he
did mention going back going up again and being a
three time, But.

Speaker 3 (24:33):
I don't do you think he goes.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
I don't think so, because from what I've been hearing,
weight cutting is a part of it where he like
doesn't really enjoy having to cut the way and allegedly
he feels better at like one fifty five. He's fought
there before, so like I feel like it would make
more sense now for him to keep moving up versus
going back down, because also what is back down for him?

Speaker 6 (24:51):
I think he's done, he's done his time, and the
way division it's he doesn't have to go.

Speaker 1 (24:57):
There's a lot more like money fights. I feel like
a one fifty f and I mean one seventy, there's really,
in my opinion, like one or two. I would say,
whoever the champ is, and then if it's not Islam,
if it is, the champion's one.

Speaker 8 (25:10):
You see, you've seen that picture of Oliver with the
way cut and he got his whole camp around him.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
Yeah, it looks like like a biblical.

Speaker 6 (25:20):
Yeah, it's like a mirror around you.

Speaker 5 (25:23):
Like crazy.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
I'm telling you some of something about Charles. I feel
like he's the fan favorite, like everybody is. Just like
I don't want you to put down my favorite dog.

Speaker 6 (25:35):
Charles is the true definition of the people's chance.

Speaker 1 (25:38):
Yeah, yeah, and still being any anytime one of the
edits for him pop up on my I gotta watch.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
There's no point in time that.

Speaker 6 (25:48):
I'm going to say that little that little ice pice clip.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
Yeah, yeah, so funny to be you know.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
That was such a.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
Great period of time where I was like, yoh, yeah,
Charles Olivera and ice Pie they're dating.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
What are you talking about?

Speaker 1 (26:04):
But yeah, I feel like if if ill ends up
getting this w I feel like for him it's gonna
be a much shorter career than if he loses. If
he loses, he has some stuff that he has to prove,
and he's got to like kind of make sure he's
etched in stories of like this dude is amazing.

Speaker 5 (26:16):
But like, I don't know, I don't think he was
talking about he wanted to fight.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
Every every every big fighter wants to fight some big boxer.
Like I don't pay too much attention to when people
say shit like that. It's the same thing with a
blobbing like I got Canelo hands.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
I don't.

Speaker 6 (26:30):
I'm not a fan of the whole boxing m mix.
It was cool around. Yeah, Connor mcgrecord just has that
name and he has that power to be able to
do it, but just.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
It'd be it'd be cool if if it was like
one of them was like I'm gonna go be champion
in multiple organizations and like I'm coming for b kf C,
I'm coming for one champion, and they were like I'm
gonna move around and just started like Mrking everybody, Like
that'd be a little different. But like the whole everyone
wanting to copy the Connor route just because he's made
the most money.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
So I get why you want to follow that.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
But I just think the that you said, retire from MMA,
do the next sport, Go.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
Ahead, do that. That's fine with me.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
I don't really care, like, but like the whole like
I'm gonna stop and pause my career to try to
go fight a.

Speaker 5 (27:13):
Boxer, And mostly I think he meant like after his career.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
I could see that.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
But that's what I'm saying, Like I think he has.

Speaker 5 (27:19):
A like how John Jones kind of was saying the
same thing. He wants like only super fights now.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
Yeah, but that's what that's That's what I feel like.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
I feel like with Ilia, he's got like a handful
of fights, Like I'm gonna say, like three to four
fights before he decides to stop with the MMA and
then go do something else unless something comes across his
desk that'll be pretty big. But at this point, like
like I said, he's got a handful of those big
names that'll be willing to fight him. Not in the
sense of he's like scary, but in the sense of
it makes sense, like Islam said, notifighting him just he's like,

(27:45):
I'm not fighting another one forty five or doesn't make
any sense to me, and it doesn't personally. It makes
more sense for a lot of other people to fight
him because it's a big name and they could use
a big name, Like I would argue Charles could fight
other people in the one fifty five, Like let's say
Ilio wasn't in the picture and the only other person
right now that's like making a big ripe about deserving
a title shot is Justin Gaichee. If you did Justin

(28:05):
Geige and Charles again, that's a whatever fight. It's it's
a cool fight because it's Charles Olver and Justin gai Chee,
but it's it's whatever.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
It's not the biggest deal.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
Like it's like Max Holloway and Dustin Poria. That's gonna
happen in July. To me, is a big fight because
Dustin's retiring, not because of the fight itself.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
You feel me like this guy.

Speaker 5 (28:22):
Is like a perfect retirement fight.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
It is. It is. It's like the situation around the
actual fighters with the special part, not necessarily the fight itself.
So I feel like if there's not a lot of
like big name money fights, like it doesn't make any
sense for anybody to do it. So Ilia, I think
five four fights at one fifty five now, including this one.

Speaker 4 (28:44):
He wins or loses on both Ali or Ilia. Who
do they see next?

Speaker 3 (28:49):
Justin?

Speaker 2 (28:51):
Yeah, I mean the thing, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
He's the one that's like I think with Ili low key.
He depending on if they allow him. He may just
want to pay up that belt and immediately drop it. True.
He may just like I said, he like the way
he's talking. I really think that he's cherry picking, like
his path. If he really wanted to, he'll be like,
got this one. It's June. He'll be like, all right,

(29:14):
immediately vacated. I just I got this ring off the Yeah,
and then let me come back February or March or
something like that.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
Next year.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
Let him bulke up a little bit to one seventy.
Who's the champer one seventy? But the issue is also
a game in one seventy, like we were just talking about,
it's like four people already waiting, so like, how how
cool are you do you get to jump everybody that's
they put their time and effort and to get to
this and this was their division first.

Speaker 6 (29:39):
You know, if he does all the in the first round,
bad able to make that shot.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
If Islam specifically as champ and that, you know, I
think that'll probably.

Speaker 7 (29:48):
Be stories and then it's not.

Speaker 5 (29:54):
I don't think this is definitely how he gets to
win matters.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
For sure.

Speaker 1 (29:59):
Let's see, they'd be fun fights, but it would be
armand Serouki and or Justin Gaichee would be the ones
that are never forgetting about. I was about to say,
living lavish, like like we we know he's there, we
know he's there when we need him, he's there. But
he's also one of those guys that's like, all right,
we get it. You're you're a good fighter, but you're
not that exciting in terms of like I would argue,

(30:21):
like entertainment value on the mic all that kind of stuff. Yeah,
social media, like we know he's there, but no one
really cares. Justin Gaigie is the only one that's on
the mic, like, no, I deserve this. I'm going to
retire unless you give me a title shot.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
A bit dramatic, A bit dramatic.

Speaker 8 (30:35):
But butk was right there here, he had the shot.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
I would argue, he's in the same spot that Charles
was when Charles was supposed to fight Islam and then
got hurt, like where it's like he got hurt and
everybody immediately forgot we're the guy. Now you're no longer
the guy. Wait, and they painted you a pretty pretty
bad picture of like you kind of let the company
down or whatever. Other than that, the rest of one
fifty five, I mean, there's the the fan fight of

(31:05):
Ilia versus Patty Pimblet.

Speaker 6 (31:06):
That's what I was honestly, I would like to see it,
like they have a good little backstory going. Yeah, I
like Patty. You know, Patty's Patty's the dog, the Brook Yo,
the Brook.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
I saw you post that the other day. Yeah, he's Brook.

Speaker 5 (31:25):
So we'll see I used to go there all the time.

Speaker 6 (31:27):
We'll see what we'll see what kind of info, you know, Dustin.
Dustin told us about I did say that.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
Was broken here first we'll find out. So yeah, I
feel like with Patty he's got it sucks just because
he's ranked at number eight enough people are already busy
with fights that who knows, maybe he can jump up.
But like he is all the way at eight, but
does he need another fight? I think wasn't a Chandler.

(31:56):
That was his last one, so that was a pretty
big one. But above him, he's got Gamra who just won,
Hooker who's been on on ice waiting for somebody.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
Max are already fighting each.

Speaker 4 (32:07):
Other like like a little vulcan the heavyweight, Like yeah,
just there, you.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
Know, he's just just there, Yeah, just whenever you need him.
He can be in a fun fight. But I don't
think that I see him with Like it's like the
same thing with with as much as I love Morecanno,
I feel like when they gave him the title shot, we.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
Needed a bottle.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
We see Dan Hooker get a title shot. They needed
a body, They needed somebody.

Speaker 6 (32:28):
And they present a check for like a mill in
your face.

Speaker 7 (32:32):
Losing thirty seconds.

Speaker 3 (32:36):
But off, I don't.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
Take a little head.

Speaker 6 (32:39):
But I'm just like you're not even going across the cave.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
Immediately just walked out for you have you seen that
that that It was like, I think it was like
a it was a boxing fight where they were like
immediately that the ref was like are you ready? You
ready go? And then the dude just walked out on
that islam you get.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
That's all I'm saying. You get paid, So it depends
on how much you get paid.

Speaker 8 (33:01):
You don't take down, you let him get the submission
tap right away.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
I feel like I'd be like, you know, when they
got to go touch gloves, I'd be like, bro, just
let me get like three hits so it don't look
too bad.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
Bro, let me just do three and then you got me.

Speaker 7 (33:12):
Fine, don't make it look too bad, you look too bad.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
Don't hurt please, Like whatever it is is, don't hurt me.
But I feel like, yeah, so with that one, with
the lightweight division, there's a couple of people there that
are already kind of taking up so I don't know, Man,
they can do a couple of weird things, but I
feel like I see it makes more sense for Iliot
to be like, all right, I'm gonna take this belt and.

Speaker 3 (33:28):
I'm a dead personally.

Speaker 4 (33:30):
The more we were talking about the divisions, I feel
like you season a spot where like, yeah, the up
and comers are nice, but I feel like the up
and comers should be facing more ranked opponents because I
feel like the ranked opponents are just being honestly recycled.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
They gotta start jumping it, they gotta start doing give
me fifteen versus.

Speaker 7 (33:49):
Six, Like, yeah, I don't care something.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
These people that are up into the like I would say,
like the top six to eight spot, they're getting too
comfortable with not wanting to fight anybody that isn't like
number one or two. It's not bro, you gotta five
and six can fight like.

Speaker 4 (34:03):
They want to make it for the whole path, and
I get it, take your time, but it's like, damn bro,
Like I feel like you take three years to become champlained.

Speaker 1 (34:11):
Especially if you're like if you're fighting, like you said,
like it's recycling the same Like top five guys are
fighting consistently. Like if you're number two and you fight
number four, you lose. Now you're at four, and then
you beat three, Now you're at three. It's like you're
kind of in the same pool fighting the same people.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
Over over again.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
At some point, like I said, you got shake that up.
Give unranked dude number three. Yeah, whether he gets killed
or he kills, I don't care, because I'm not gonna
lie to you. There's been a couple of dudes that
we've seen recently where I'm like, you're.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
Low key what's his name? Well maker?

Speaker 1 (34:39):
Well Makers? One that I recently was like lokey giving
anyone the top five, might pack him, bro, he might
get him out of here.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
Same day we're talking about with the heavyweights.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
Heavyweights at this point, I don't care.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
Yeah, right, put their names in the back.

Speaker 5 (34:50):
Shake it up, and throw it out like Contender series.
I seen that, Like he was like a Russian dude.

Speaker 8 (34:55):
Yeah, he looked nice too, like he could definitely get
up there, Like I've seen the division like that.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
That's what I'm saying at this point, like put the
names in the bag, shake it up, dot down, whoever
comes off.

Speaker 6 (35:04):
Exactly well before before we get off of the lightweight division.
What happens if Max comes out and starches Dustin.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
I think that that's a weird one because it's like
Dustin is a caliber fighter.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
The people.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
I feel like, I know he's he's like on the
you know, he's on the way out, but like he
did just fight Islam and and it was a good fight.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
It was a good fight.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
So I feel like it gives him something, but not
a whole lot because we already know who Max Hall
seen that.

Speaker 4 (35:32):
Whole thing where it's like if Islam, I mean Iliyah
beats Ali and becomes champ, and then Dustin beats Max
that striker versus striker, so he can potentially become champion.

Speaker 1 (35:47):
There's a there's a pathway that has now opened up
that Dustin Poorie can decide to stick around and become
a champion. I think I think if this had happened
last year, he would have. But unfortunately, I think he's
really like.

Speaker 6 (35:59):
I'm having a baby and he's having a baby. Dust
is just one of those fighters where like, I just
don't want you to retire.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
Bro't you want him to be You want him to
be like the cowboy, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (36:10):
You want him to just stick around.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
Yeah, It's.

Speaker 8 (36:14):
Like he's just still so good and it's definitely one
of my favorite hits.

Speaker 6 (36:19):
Hits home. Man, it hurts, not for sure.

Speaker 8 (36:21):
Because he was killing shit when I got back into it.
I feel Yeah, it's also kind of like.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
He's another one where like he's a fan favorite, like
you want it, you want to see him get that,
like if he bro Like there was there was this
thing of like the walk out with with with the
what was it the guy who passed away who was
singing like diamond by like a diamond and he used.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
That as part of it.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
It's like a whole thing that went into the Islam
fight where he was gonna was like if Dustin Point
becomes champion, this is a magical moment. This is one
of those like is why I like the sport because
like at any point anything could happen, you know.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
What I mean.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
So like this was a moment where we were like, bro,
a lot of dreams can come true right now and
then these Stanis just want to step on them.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
But like.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
Him, you can hate, you can't, but like it is
what it is with like what I feel like it'd
be cool to see him stick around, But a part
of me feels happier that he's like all right, I'm done,
I'm gonna put I'm gonna.

Speaker 6 (37:12):
Give you guys know exactly.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
Because he's and you know he could stick around. You know,
he could beat a lot of these guys.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
You know, he could be one of those unfortunate the
top five recycled dudes, but at least it'd be entertaining.
But I think it's better for me to see him
go give us one last war and then let's let
the new guys come.

Speaker 6 (37:30):
That's why I with them.

Speaker 4 (37:31):
Yeah, that's why I liked him fighting out what Saint
denis there. Yeah, because they showed he still can compete
with the top, you know, like the younger not that
he's super young, but the younger dudes he can.

Speaker 7 (37:42):
So it's like it's good to know he still hasn't
and he's retiring.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
That's what I think that, Like he's gonna go with
a lot of respect. Yeah, okay, I think it's one
of those things where, yeah, for sure, people people have
the whole thing of like, oh like when the fighters
go out on their shield. But I think it's it's
a different thing with him versus like, I don't know,
you see someone who's like, man, you've lost the last
four and they're giving you number fourteen right now just
to get murdered and walk out, and you're on the

(38:08):
early prelibs like, that's a different sent off. That's a
much different said Anthony Smith. That's a much different sent
off for sure. I think that this one is like
a lot more respect. We're gonna buld this around you
and you're gonna go away.

Speaker 3 (38:18):
Because like we'll get definitely more respect.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
Later on when we when we have that episode and
we go over that card, you'll see that card is
not card is not it.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
I don't know if you've looked at it is it is? Wow?
For that main event is wow.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
There?

Speaker 2 (38:33):
Like who is this? How are you in up?

Speaker 1 (38:36):
But I think I think there's a couple of ones
on that one. I think that's the card where like
there's a couple of prelim fights and people are like
this should they should be able the main card? Why
they give these people whatever? We'll get there, We'll get there.
I think it's an interesting time in the lightweight division.
I'm intrigued to see what they go from here. I
think we're gonna have a lot of interesting matchups for sure.
But I feel like there's gonna be a lot of
that that like fifty five and seventy, you're can see

(38:59):
a lot of movements. I think you're gonna see a
lot of like especially from the top, Like, I think
people at this point they want to see a fresh change.
I think people have had this consistent conversation of like
there's no superstars in the UFC and this and that.
I think what it is is just people are just
feeling stale with what we have right now.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
They keep showing us the year the same fights, or
they try to make the.

Speaker 5 (39:18):
Same fights, and they end up canceling, kicking heads off.

Speaker 6 (39:23):
At least at least at least at least people are
done talking about Connor.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
Yeah, I think for him, I think people are finally
like wrapped.

Speaker 8 (39:30):
Up politics and a record label.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
Yeah, there's gonna be a couple I think it's gonna
be a couple more times people gonna like Connor McGregor,
let me fight you on the Mike Michael Chandler. That
was like a couple of weeks ago whatever. They were like,
oh maybe early like bro stop it just I wonder
the UFC ended.

Speaker 7 (39:50):
Up paying him.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
Do you think that they just cut him a check
and like I'm sorry, yeah, like like they were just
straight up like broke, we don't even want to deal
with this anymore.

Speaker 4 (39:59):
They I mean obviously I don't know for sure, but
like how they make it all seem and how Dana
makes you seem is he doesn't really fuck people over
you and yeah, like to that extinct like if you
waited out for him, he got your back.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
Yeah, I mean he waited it out.

Speaker 1 (40:14):
He did the whole show and pretty much gave away
most of his career sort of like big big moments,
and then now he got rewarded with what was it,
Patty or actually he did get to fight Charles overa.

Speaker 4 (40:25):
And then the whole like recently with because in the
interview with John Jones, he's like, oh, do you regret
giving John Jones so much time?

Speaker 3 (40:33):
And he's like.

Speaker 4 (40:34):
No, but he's like, I do feel bad though for Tom,
And then I'm pretty sure he said, like, but we
took care of.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
Tom, you know. So it's like, okay, yeah, you know,
they took care of you.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
At the end of the day, there are contract employees,
and there's no contract, there's no pay you know what
I mean. If there's no day that you actually fight,
I don't think they really give you anything.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
I mean, you get media and stuff like that. So
maybe they paid him through there, but I don't know.

Speaker 6 (40:56):
Well, he brings no Michael Chandler, like he came from Bellator,
I would say, with like a good, well known name.
But he's still getting paid like over half a million dollars,
Like I think in his last fight with All he
got paid almost a mill. Yeah, so like god knows

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what he got paid with Patty.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
True.

Speaker 6 (41:21):
So like maybe Dana just said with the whole Connor thing,
like hey, we're gonna keep you at your what you've
been getting like over it, because he did fight for
a title, he probably got paid pretty good for that.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
Yeah, So I don't know. I feel like they got
they probably.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
Like patted those paychecks with the Charles olivera end up
and like Patty for the like we're gonna just make this.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
A little heavier than normal.

Speaker 1 (41:41):
Yeah, a little heavier than normal, just so we're sorry,
you know, because at the end of the day, we
all know that, like pay per view wise, who knows
what he would have gotten paid to fight Connor.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
Not in the sense of like everyone's like, this is
a crazy fight.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
It's just that people just tune in to watch this
dude bro every single time without.

Speaker 7 (41:54):
Faying at the time, it was a crazy fight.

Speaker 6 (41:56):
It would have been.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
At the at the at the very beginning when all
of it like started. Yeah, I think what it is
that I'm just so far done with it that I'm like,
I wouldn't have been that big. But no, you're right.
I think at the very beginning of it, everyone will
be like, this is crazy, this would have been a scrap.
A lot of people would have tuned in. But I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
I know that they he already had a lot of bread.

Speaker 1 (42:12):
But it is the thing of these fighters where they
want to, like John Jones has been saying, He's like,
I don't walk out of my house for less than
a hundred thousand dollars or whatever. It is, like, I
think they get to the point where they're like, I
need to make generational money for me to even make
it worth my while to do any of it. Understandably,
maybe it was that.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
Maybe was that all right?

Speaker 1 (42:27):
Moving forward, Alexander Pantoso versus Kai Ka Ra France, it
is going to be a scrap. Yeah, it's gonna be
an absolute scrap.

Speaker 6 (42:33):
Either that or is gonna wipe I per is gonna watch.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
I think it's going to be one sided on the
Pantosa side, But I wouldn't count out Kai Ka France
if at least like giving him like.

Speaker 3 (42:46):
Like second or third title fight.

Speaker 4 (42:48):
Yeah yeah no no, not Pintosia.

Speaker 1 (42:51):
No no, yeah, ky yeah yeah, I don't That's what
I'm saying. I think it's one side in the sense
of like Pantosa is gonna win. But I think that
I wouldn't count out kai in the sense of like
at least putting in the give him, giving him, giving
him a little a little bit of a little bit
of a work. I mean, nothing's crazy, but like I
think that's what I was saying earlier, when it comes
to like you're just seeing another level of athlete than
somebody who is just a beast bro who's like very

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quietly becoming undeniably goat like Undy, Like I want to
see him versus if he was to.

Speaker 6 (43:21):
Move up, but I would I would like for them
to before he says I don't want to see you.
I would like if they do decide to let him
move up, they need a it's stupid because they're saying
they're done with the whole Champ Champ thing. But like
he should fight Morob for the belt directly, like if

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he comes out in this fight beats Kai real bad.

Speaker 3 (43:46):
Oh, yeah, I think.

Speaker 6 (43:48):
And if he wants to move up, I think and
go champions.

Speaker 5 (43:52):
Rob still there, I say, you stay there, you don't.

Speaker 6 (44:00):
He could do one? You think?

Speaker 2 (44:04):
I think. I'm not gonna lie to you.

Speaker 1 (44:08):
Would be interesting, Like if Morob were to move up,
you know, that would be pretty interesting.

Speaker 6 (44:13):
I never thought about it, really why, I just I think.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
I always just assumed that Morob is that dude who's
just going to run that division.

Speaker 6 (44:21):
That way cut right.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
Yet it is every time I see his face. He's
also one of those dudes that like look like a
skeleton with.

Speaker 3 (44:28):
You know, he doesn't naturally.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
Yeah, he's a crazy person. He's a crazy person. I
love him, but he's insane. Anytime I see him do anything,
it's either him almost injuring himself right right right, or
he's just he's just like I don't know, with only
fans models like, he's just an interesting guy.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
I see.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
I get the whole no double like Champ Champ thing
like you can't run two divisions, but I can see
him being like, I let go one belt, go fight
for the other one. But honestly, if Pantosia were to
move up, and he lost. I think he would just
regain his belt right away. Like I was just looking
at the list of people that are in his division.
If he hasn't already beat him, he's gonna beat him,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 6 (45:04):
Yeah, I think there's anybody in the division.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
No, I think at this point it's getting kind of wet. Well,
this is this is one where where we're seeing something
that's pretty excited because I didn't even register the ranking
aspect of it. But we got after this fire or
before this fight. It is Brandon roy Val versus Joshua
Van that's rank eleven versus rank number one, So we
could see some pretty wild shake up if you were

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if you were to get that like that, at least
you would be seeing a fresh face, you know, someone
who hasn't gotten a very premature, very premature and unless
it's a ze when should have zaged and Pantosia gets.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
Clippause, he hits hard, bro.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
I don't know, like he hits hard that that. I
watched that clip of him knocking that dude out several
times a step back.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
It was bad, it was bad. Nice.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
I don't think that he's necessarily ready for like somebody
of such a well rounded mixed martial arts skill like
pantoja is. But I think that it'd be different. Yeah,
it'd be just sure, it'd just be like new. Yeah,
but I definitely see for him. I don't know, it's
weird because it's like he has such a he has

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such a skill set that he could stay at what
is his one twenty five? He could stay at one
twenty five for like years, and I think he would
just run it and he would be just good. But
I think that like if you want a bigger name,
it is moving up and wait just because there's nobody
It's it's unfortunate.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
Think of when there's nobody left, you have to move
or else your and.

Speaker 3 (46:33):
What wasn't his last face? They brought in someone, They
brought in something.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
Yeah, they brought in the other guy, the Japanese dude.
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
Whatever.

Speaker 3 (46:42):
It's like, is he even like at that pointing.

Speaker 6 (46:44):
He's scheduled again? They have him fighting again.

Speaker 8 (46:47):
For Yeah, maybe he could stick over figurefully adapt.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
Was that Kayasakura? Was that the guy's name he's making
number fifteen?

Speaker 6 (46:58):
Now it's a whole different ball game.

Speaker 2 (46:59):
Is it drop? That's such a drop? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (47:02):
I think I think with Pantoja, I think for him
he could stay there if he wanted to and just
kind of keep beating dudes up and then maybe retire
early or if you wanted to go for like crazy
legacy stuff, because I think right now the issue is
that with that weight class.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
Nobody cares.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
Nobody cares about you, like you're it's like a mighty mouse,
you know what I mean, Like mighty mouse, Like everybody
is like, if you're really into you're like, yo, he's
one of the ghots. But then when you like, you
don't really care that much, Like.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
It's it's not the same weight.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
As when you talk about like a GSP or Anderson
Silva or something like that. Like you know, you see
much more exciting fights the bigger weight classes. You see
those knockouts.

Speaker 3 (47:35):
You're just like, oh, it's cool.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
Lightweight so you don't really you don't really care that much,
or lighter weight so you don't really care.

Speaker 5 (47:40):
For sure, I definitely don't care.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
It'd be cool. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (47:43):
I feel like for me, I like watching his fights.
They're they're very exciting. There's a lot that he can
do well. He's good anywhere, so no matter where you
bring the fight. He's gonna he's gonna, I feel like
excel more than his like like uh opponent. I don't know,
I don't know how to word it, but like I
just feel like he just calculates it a lot better.
Like I feel like when he's moving, he already kind
of knows where it is you're going because he's seen

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it all before. Yeah, he's fought everyone, all right, any
fight that like you look at it, any fight he's
about to have this is around. This is the second time,
this is the third time, Like this is the fourth
time he's fought that guy already throughout his entire career.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
He's been out for a while.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
It's one of these dudes that's like Max Holloway that
he started when he was like twenty or something like that.
So you've already seen him fight everybody. Now he's just
the champ. So this is a little different. We already
touched upon it. But Brandon roy Val going against Joshua
Van is.

Speaker 6 (48:27):
That the is that the before the co.

Speaker 1 (48:30):
What do you mean is that before the Yeah, that's yeah,
that's what I'm saying. They get he was so he
was supposed to fight Menel cop and then I guess
he got injured.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
By the way.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
Look into that. That dude has like several fight cancelations
off of injuries and weird stuff. I didn't exact. He's
at four for like a love dude.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
It's bad. It's bad.

Speaker 6 (48:47):
I've never been a fan. I mean, I don't know
about you guys, Like he is a good fighter.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
He didn't like when he randomly called out is he
you know what I mean, it's that cool word that
we can't say because he might get banneff.

Speaker 6 (48:56):
Yeah, he's just he's a different person. I don't I've
never been a fan of his character to the media,
the way he fights.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
I never get excited. But I will say, like he's
definitely been in some good scraps. His most his most
recent fight was really good. It was his most recent fight.

Speaker 6 (49:12):
Was he's a good fighter. I just don't like him.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
She liked that, like sometimes that's fair. It's like, I
feel like the Kolbe Covington's are the people that I
don't really enjoy. Were like, you're not really good, You're
you're you're annoying on the mic, and then you're not
really good. I hate watching it because it's so disappointing.
It'd be different if you like that. That's why I
think Ilia won me over, because Iliot would be like,

(49:36):
I'm gonna kill this man. He said it the thing,
and he did the thing.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
I don't know what to tell.

Speaker 1 (49:43):
You, whereas yet I'm gonna butcher this one.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
So Menel cop versus I'm a bye of was the
most recent fight that he had, and he schooled that boy.
That was that was that was like flow state, like
he was just like miles ahead of him, just getting him.

Speaker 6 (49:58):
So where's Cape ranked?

Speaker 2 (50:00):
He is ranked? I think that he's like, I don't know,
he's lower than that. Actually, you're right on the money.

Speaker 6 (50:05):
Six, right, So yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
I think he's everybody in this In this division, we've
already seen Brandon Roy valid one, Brandon Moreno two, amer
Al Bossi at three, ca Cairo France at four, Tetsuro
Tyra at five, and then man cop Is at six.
We've already seen all those guys fight each other, and
we've already seen most of them fight Pantojia and ship up.

Speaker 5 (50:25):
It's like a news TV show is saying, like literally.

Speaker 4 (50:30):
Gets me mad because it's like in the Contender series.
You see good contenders and then just because they don't win,
some obviously would get that side contract, but because they
don't win, they don't scoop them up.

Speaker 3 (50:42):
But it's like that can.

Speaker 4 (50:43):
Shake up the whole division, or at least stirred up
a little bit, you know what I mean.

Speaker 6 (50:47):
So it's like the Tough this year it's flyweight, right, flyweight,
flyweight and heavyweight, fly and heavyweight.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
I try to tune in every now and then, but
I'm gonna be honest, it is tough to watch it.

Speaker 2 (50:59):
Tough.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
We've but they just like DC and Chail got me
involved in it, but I feel like the actual fighters,
I don't.

Speaker 6 (51:06):
Really see we've just been we skipped to the end.
Yeah we don't.

Speaker 5 (51:09):
We're not.

Speaker 6 (51:10):
I'm not staying up on a Tuesday, so wat.

Speaker 4 (51:13):
Yeah fucking do the bare minimum coaching.

Speaker 1 (51:17):
Yeah, I'll catch an I'll catch the episodes like later on,
but I'm definitely not watching the I'm.

Speaker 6 (51:22):
Watching my watch breaks.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (51:24):
I have been watching like the old ones to just
kind of like going through.

Speaker 6 (51:26):
We were peeping the other day. I didn't know they
got from all the way to the the whole show.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
Yeah, it's a fun time.

Speaker 6 (51:33):
Then I think all the yeah, you'll notice.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
I think it's like the first fifteen are really good.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
There's a lot of.

Speaker 5 (51:42):
So good, like actually coaching, coaching these guys.

Speaker 6 (51:45):
If anybody doesn't know m m A and they want
to learn anything about it, go on who It's on Hulu, right, yeah,
go on Hulu. Watch from season one Ultimate Fighter. You
can skip a few of them. There's a few trash
ones in there.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
The thirteen I think is the one of the better
ones with Kimbo slice.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
Yes, that was rage and.

Speaker 5 (52:08):
I'm watching right now the one we were shot Evans
just one, the.

Speaker 8 (52:12):
Next one, yeah, bro, it's just yeah, finish.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
I think with them, they just need to change up
the way that they do it.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
I think it's it's like it wants to be I
feel like Contender series, but it's also is like a
reality TV show, but you don't really get a lot
of either or you know. So that's why I think
we all do the same thing turning on who's this guy? Cool?

Speaker 2 (52:31):
Skip to the fight and then you're like, I don't
really care about the middle the.

Speaker 5 (52:35):
Newer ones away still like involved like that.

Speaker 1 (52:37):
Yeah, just like hey guys, and then he lives. Then
that's everybody else the coaches.

Speaker 6 (52:43):
The coaches are more involved. And then what they've been
doing on this season is they're bringing in like Rough
alumni that one become champions off of Tough and this
this that so like it is cool, but like the
first few so far, it's like they got Kobe Covington,
which it's like, you're not a chance, that's that's but yeah,

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so I don't know, we'll see what happens with the
season of Tough.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
Normally though, the coaches fight at the end, so we
see them.

Speaker 6 (53:15):
We might get a grappling match or something. You'll catch.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
Well, now they got the now they got the jiu jitsu.

Speaker 3 (53:21):
Is actually pretty cool.

Speaker 6 (53:22):
Yeah, I think that's cooler than the Tough season.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
I think so too. I think because they also it's
on YouTube. You can just watch that for free.

Speaker 1 (53:28):
Now. Yeah, I think that they definitely should start tweaking
that a little bit. I think they can make it
a little bit better. I prefer to watch Contender series
because it's just like this is this guy, this is
this one, and they're gonna fight right now. Immediately you
get to the scrap. You get to see people that
are just like no, they just want it, Like they
give you a little bit of the backstory. It's like
it's like the Ultimate Fighter, but they cut out all
the fluff, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (53:47):
They just get like watching them fight with the what's
it called the embedded or something.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
Yeah, yeah, it's like that boom and then fight bingo.
That's exactly what it's like, where you don't really get
all the random fluff if they try to give you
a bit, Like I said, they try to be like
an early two thousands.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
Of reality TV show.

Speaker 1 (54:04):
Now I don't need that with the fights.

Speaker 5 (54:06):
Just like floppy.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (54:09):
Honestly though, it's not even entertaining.

Speaker 10 (54:12):
A lifestyle outside of fighting regular Like I guess when
we're watching like fight nights and pay per views, like
we're not gonna sit here and act like there isn't
story and whatnot evolved it Obviously you start to learn
the fighters.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
You should start to learn the personalities and things about it.
Like everybody in the Grandmother cared that Sean O'Malley wasn't
beating his shit, like for some reason or another that good,
like great for him, but some reason everybody cares. But
you fall into that kind of thing of like you're
like invested in these people. You watch the embedded series,
it leads up to it, but there's something about the
Ultimate Fighter that just doesn't It's like trying to do

(54:43):
that in such a short period of time.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
It's like, I don't care, bro.

Speaker 1 (54:46):
I have the only reason I cared about the season thirteen,
and I wasn't watching it live. I went back to
watch it because I knew who Kimbo Slice was, I
knew who brashot Evan was, I knew Rampage was, so
I wanted to see these guys.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
Also, Brendan Shobs on that season too.

Speaker 6 (55:00):
And so you see so many fighters that you just bro, bro, Like,
the list goes on and on and on.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
Yeah, so every.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
Time it's cool to like, I feel like when you
see them now going back to go watch them. But
like I think it was either last years or two
years ago, they had another cool concept that actually made
me want to watch again. I didn't really care about
the stories like that. I just kind of caught up
a little bit and then went to the fight. But
they had new guys and guys that were in the UFC. Yeah,

(55:28):
and then that that got kicked out and they brought
them back and they basically mix.

Speaker 6 (55:30):
Up the team that was McGregor and Chandler.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
Yeah, so that that was interesting.

Speaker 6 (55:34):
I watched that whole season faithfully.

Speaker 1 (55:36):
The McGregor and connor stuff for me was like there,
but it was that wasn't the stuff that had me intrigued.
I was like, Yo, let's see if these these dudes
that got like in the UC and got kicked out,
if they can make it back.

Speaker 2 (55:45):
And for the most part they did.

Speaker 6 (55:46):
Which which I was going to say, like, I think
like three or four of them, yeah, total, like Becaus
got back in the.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
They didn't even win the whole thing. They got their
contract signed. There's one of the guys actually just got
dropped again. Yeah, just go dropped again. Yea.

Speaker 6 (56:02):
So it's just like it's just interesting the way they
decide to do things.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
And but the.

Speaker 1 (56:07):
Actually, I think I think most of the ones that
won from that season have already.

Speaker 6 (56:10):
Been cut probably. I think last year. I think I
saw the Cody Gibson kid fight again and I don't
think he won.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
So there's a few of those dudes that got cut.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
I mean, they got a couple of years back, they
got to made some money back in the UC, they
get the name back out there, but.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
It is what it is. Probably you're good, but you're
not mean.

Speaker 6 (56:27):
You back to the lf A buddy was the one.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
That just led the fighting. I already forgot the name
of it.

Speaker 6 (56:33):
I was thinking about the GFL. I think that was
just a whole hoax. They kind of just like wanted
something to talk about for a little And it's just like, Bro,
you saw that roster.

Speaker 5 (56:45):
That was crazy.

Speaker 7 (56:46):
You guys should know.

Speaker 6 (56:46):
Why are you guys still fighting some of enjoying time
with your grandkids? Like what are you doing?

Speaker 8 (56:50):
You guys are like, yeah, bron, it's so funny.

Speaker 6 (56:57):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (56:57):
I just think that they wanted to do something cool
if they had an investor back out and I just
feel like it's it's at this point I think that
they should do it. Like how w W started out.
These regional organizations just band together and they have like
their own thing where like you can go around the
country and like fight and like that that regional kind
of scene that makes it a little bit bigger. They

(57:18):
share their money and they kind of put into the
entertainment value. Maybe these dudes get cool walkouts and stuff
like that to make people want to watch. But other
than that, like nobody really cares like the PFL get
rid of the smart cage thing. I like the refcams
and things like that, but they focus too much on
that name and things like.

Speaker 6 (57:34):
They did them and the USC Like.

Speaker 1 (57:36):
I saw that someone someone was and you just see
him down on the ground and you're like no. I
think I think that they should keep the refcam and
it should be like if you're a subscribe to like
ESPN Plus or whatever, like you're able to see that
as like one of the whole fight.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
Just do the refcam. That'd be cool. I like that
they should do stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
I feel like if we want like a competitor for
the UFC, you need to think a little bit outside
the box, but don't try to be too cheesy with it.
And I think he's just sticking like good fights. Just
that's the main thing you push, not the weird stuff.
It's just the good fights part.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
Because one championship is just silently doing big things.

Speaker 1 (58:15):
They're just putting on bangers like they don't really they're
just doing their own thing over there.

Speaker 2 (58:18):
They're not even I'm not competing with you. We do
something different over here.

Speaker 1 (58:21):
And they're making good money and if you want to
fight in general, you can go over there and make
good bread. So I don't know, Man, they gotta they
gotta change stuff up. But the same thing, like I
said earlier, as much as I want these other organizations
to start doing well, Dana White started poaching these guys,
that big, big money truck starts taking some of these guys.
That's maybe you see big let's do it.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (58:40):
But Neil Dory hush versus not the MOI Kanokana wants money,
I got, but Neil Doue hits like a mac truck.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
Though.

Speaker 1 (58:48):
I think that's the other thing he's got to really
watch out for. But I think overall, I think he's
kind of he's kind of washed up, and I think he's.

Speaker 6 (58:53):
He's I don't think this might be Bel's last fight.

Speaker 1 (58:57):
I can see it.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
I can see it. He's a family dude, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
He's made a good amount of money, but I don't
think that he's got another title shot in him. And
I really don't think he wants to stick around just
kind of keep getting pieced up at these people. But
I've cracked a couple of times.

Speaker 6 (59:11):
Tony Ferguson all over again.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
Not as bad, not as bad.

Speaker 6 (59:14):
He's not as bad as Tony. I'll give him that.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
So actually with that, going back to the GFL, So
what happens with Tony Ferguson now?

Speaker 6 (59:21):
I think he'll probably go to the MLB or something.
You know, he'll do some Jordan ship. Whatever Tony wants
to do, he can do it.

Speaker 2 (59:30):
We see Tony Ferguson and Slat fighting. Yeah, tuning in.

Speaker 6 (59:33):
I would I watched the first one to watch it
get knocked out and then go back into whatever he
wants to do.

Speaker 1 (59:39):
I just I feel like for him, bro, he is
is a fall and I would I hate it for him,
you know what I mean? But I don't know. I
don't know what he's gonna do.

Speaker 6 (59:47):
All greats come.

Speaker 1 (59:50):
To you don't want it to be like that, That's
what I'm saying. With like the Dustin Poorrier, where I'm
happy to see him walk out with his head held high.
Feel me, even if even if Dustin gets slap by Max,
let's say, same situation as you see three hundred.

Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
But justin Gaetchee like it is a picture.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
Perfect knockout, it's still a beautiful send off. Yeah, he's
still fine. Tony for instance, like oh in four hundred
right now, I don't even know. It's inside the act
on and outside. It's just L after L after L.
I can't, I can't.

Speaker 8 (01:00:19):
It's seen a clip of him and the was the
ultimate fighter. Yeah, he was in there, man, he was
a wow mof if you, if.

Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
You, if you go back and you want his like
like the build up to him about to fight Kabeb.

Speaker 6 (01:00:33):
He was that guy.

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
He was that guy.

Speaker 7 (01:00:38):
So that build up wasp.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
Brew Hey, he tripped over a wire and ever since then,
like it's nuts, bro, how that one thing really led
to his.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
Whole career just over Johnny Walker doing the work.

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
One dumb decision, blow out your shoulder.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
You're done.

Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
You've never seen Johnny. Johnny Walker was the guy who's
gonna be John Jones. That was the guy who was
going to come through and do it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
And then after he.

Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
Did the worm and blowed his shoulder, he was gone
for a bit, came back whack every fight Wack Dominic
is lost lost, John Jones.

Speaker 5 (01:01:10):
He's back to sixth right.

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
He was trapping at Khalil Rowntree. He was he was
stripping at Clil Brown. He's like let's run it. We
both want the same thing. We're both at the same spot.
Was running immed.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
We were running enough.

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
For the for like lightweight, Like what's that going to
look like? And I feel like I could see that,
I can see that.

Speaker 6 (01:01:27):
I'm definitely down.

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
I feel like Dominic Grace has been on it was
a three year, three or four fight win streak. Right now, he's.

Speaker 6 (01:01:35):
One or four knockouts.

Speaker 4 (01:01:39):
Quietly, I remember that big knockout because the last time
that we were here, I remember we were all talking
about it because he was fighting on that same card
and we were saying, like, bro, just please get a win.

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
It was amazing, like this is this is it for you?

Speaker 6 (01:01:52):
Like if you and and he was still he was
coming off to Anthony Smith win so, and it was
just it wasn't the best performance. He did finish in
what the second round? Yeah, it was like if he
didn't do what he did in his last fight, who
did he fight in the last.

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
One The most recent was cry off.

Speaker 6 (01:02:09):
So, so if he didn't do that, it's pretty good
we wouldn't be talking.

Speaker 1 (01:02:13):
Like he got finished in round one by Ryan Span
and then after that it was a round one ko
he knocked out Dustin jacobe a round one around two
KO against uh Anthony Smith and then round one KO
against Nikita Kraylo.

Speaker 8 (01:02:28):
He's doing it right see where where are we?

Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
He's at eight right now and clears at number seven
and then light heavys do the same thing. Jamal Hill,
I think it is oh and three. Jan Bohovich, I
think it's somewhat like he's not three. I think he's
technically two and one because it was like a tie
he had Alexander rackets. I think he's also and two
and oh and three or something like that. Get them
out of there.

Speaker 5 (01:02:51):
Yeah, man, And those are like fighters that like.

Speaker 1 (01:02:54):
The that's four, five and six right there. We can
we can clear them out. Then some people up something.

Speaker 8 (01:02:59):
This These fighters always in like the top ten that
you just don't give a fuck about the yeah yeah,
it's like you can keep you can keep up with
these guys, but you're just there to get.

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
The l Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
But then it's also trashed sometimes because I'm looking at
the rest of them and you're just like yeah, but
then you want them to clear out and move up
the other guys, but like's there, yeah and off come on,
zangming gang, get him in there, you feel me, mos
are Kanoff.

Speaker 8 (01:03:25):
I'm trying to get him and make someone they can
just kick someone's head off, That's what I'm trying to see.
I think some news just like exciting as fucking.

Speaker 1 (01:03:33):
I feel like you got stuff like that when you
have like the Khalil Round trees. He's been there, but
he's just like randomly out of nowhere just to lock.

Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
The new level. Like you feel me.

Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
I was talking to him, but he's like he's like, oh,
Khalil Round is beginning of his career is kind of
shaking him.

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
It is.

Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
And then he went to Thailand and you see it
in the record that the moment.

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
He got back when when when? When? When win?

Speaker 7 (01:03:51):
But like knockouts, that's when people lock in, you know, Yo.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
I think everybody just needs to at some point, like
these fighters need to realize, like you do have to
do something a little different. You got to take like
your own career into your hands at some point and
like leave a camp.

Speaker 6 (01:04:07):
Or or That's one of the biggest things that fail
people is staying in the wrong camps.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
Because they sit there the yes men around, you know, and.

Speaker 6 (01:04:15):
They keep trying and they don't want to go there.
I don't think people understand how fighters are paying their
their camps, their trainers, their nutrition is Is this that so? Yeah,
these people are trying to keep you around your their paycheck,
you know. So it's like just go if you're not
doing good man, go to the top American top team

(01:04:35):
or something.

Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
It's the same thing with anything else. You want to
do the best thing for you and whatever that might be.
You're going to put your own time, effort, and money
in something you want to get the best return on it.
So I feel like maybe they get clouded, Maybe they
get to the point where they're like the people around
them are kind of like confusing them. They don't really
know what's Yeah, they're comfortable, they don't know what the
best move is for. But at the same time, like
we're talking earlier with Waldough, we know the wrestling's coming,

(01:04:56):
What are you gonna do?

Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
Hire a good wrestling.

Speaker 1 (01:04:59):
Coach, Like, if you you know that this is what's
gonna come your way, sign up for a Buckley. People
were talking about it with him versus Usman probably should
have gotten a better wrestling coach to come in and
take down defense at least that style of takedown defense
or something.

Speaker 7 (01:05:12):
They're definitely saying that the whole fucking commentary, h it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
Was so bad because it was the same takedown over
and over again. That's the That's when it's when it's
you're fighting like a Kabib or somebody like that, or
is on that Like it's like the chain wrestling. So
you don't it's like that. You always have to evolve.
The next thing is gonna be a little different. They're
just gonna keep moving. I get it, it's a lot
to adapt to. You can't really learn that in a
short period of time. But if it's a double leg
every single year and it's the same double leg for

(01:05:36):
twenty five minutes, it looked like old fashion. It's fun,
you know what I'm saying. Like, again, we're not professional fighters,
but like when we see it, you should see it
if you're watching the tape, Like I don't know, I
feel like sometimes I'm yelling at my TV and I'm
like i feel like I'm not the only one, Like
somebody in your camp has to be yelling at you.
You well, like like they watch tape, like this is
any other sport. You watch tape, you learn, you go

(01:05:58):
off of it, like if you decided to just take
a fight with somebody you don't know anything about them,
that's on you, bro.

Speaker 8 (01:06:03):
Somebody say something like that, like they just like, yeah,
I just pull up and fight.

Speaker 3 (01:06:09):
I think it was last week's fire or two weeks ago.

Speaker 4 (01:06:13):
He's like, yeah, I'm like the least technical fighter in
the UFC.

Speaker 3 (01:06:16):
I don't watch I.

Speaker 1 (01:06:17):
Know exactly who you as a homeboy that had the
very questionable tattoos. Yeah, yeah, very questionable tattoos.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
What a time, bro.

Speaker 1 (01:06:27):
And then I guess the we did it the backwards way,
but to open up the card, we got Peyton Talbot
versus Felipe Lima. Peyton Talbot has been slowly on the
rise of somebody who I think is like becoming a
fan favorite. I think that he's his name is getting
out there enough where when we're seeing some pretty cool
performances where we can see him like shake things up
and maybe get like a cool opportunity off of a
couple of wins.

Speaker 4 (01:06:47):
He's he gives me, honestly patty vibes, but without the
talking patty vibes. Even the fighting style, you know, literally
gives me patty vibes. Just he's a silent assassin. You know,
he's not doing too much talking because I didn't hear
the fighting speak for itself.

Speaker 1 (01:07:06):
Yeah, I find I don't really see him doing a
lot of media. I feel like I see it like
fans talking about him, but not really like an interview
with him or things like that. He just kind of
pulls up, you know. Yeah, I like that. There is
a bit of a I don't know, there's something cool
about that. But I think at a certain point, you
got to start promoting yourself, you know what I mean? Personally?

Speaker 4 (01:07:24):
I mean, I honestly think after this fight, we're gonna
start hearing. If he wins, we're gonna hear a lot
a lot from him. He's gonna do it. I guarantee
you if he wins this fight, he's gonna do a
call out and done something, you know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (01:07:36):
You know that Fox with the Salent assassins.

Speaker 6 (01:07:40):
He's not ranked, right, is he ranked?

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:07:42):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:07:43):
I don't want to write off Felipe Lima, but I
don't I personally don't think he's he always falls short,
yeah when you want him to.

Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
Yeah, I'm looking at it right now, and let's see
he's Yeah, so other than his most recent loss.

Speaker 2 (01:07:56):
Uh, Peyton Talbot's been on a tear.

Speaker 6 (01:07:58):
He's been on a tear. I want to saying a lot.
Who did he fight Jordaane in the last fight.

Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
No, his last fight was against Marcellos. It was in January.
It lost to a unanimous decision against Rownie Barcelos.

Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
So I remember this one.

Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
Yeah, it was like it was like he couldn't really
like do Like it looked like one of those moments
where like the fighter doesn't like turn it on, you
know what I mean, Like I just couldn't get whatever
it is he was trying to get off off. Yeah,
let's look at this. I'm gonna be honest with you.
I don't really know too much about this, lima, dude,
I see here. He's fourteen and one, so that's gotta
say something.

Speaker 3 (01:08:29):
Yeah, I just had a couple of bangers.

Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
I don't know, man, I feel like this is gonna
be an interesting one.

Speaker 1 (01:08:34):
I think we're just seeing We're just seeing a situation
right now like we had with you, said a Patty Pimblet.
But Patty's a little different, Beau. Patty brought in a
huge crowd of fans in very true I'd say it's
more so like a Sean O'Malley type of situation where
you have this like super young dude because he's twenty six,
and you're like, all right, do you want to put
these expectations on him because you want to see the
rise of a superstar.

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
Yeah. It's like, let's let's not get too excited.

Speaker 1 (01:08:56):
Yeah, the moment we get disappointed when we need to
get slept or something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:59):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:09:00):
You don't want to put too much stock, in too
much faith into somebody. But who knows Other than that.
The only other thing for this card was Paulo Costa
was supposed to fly on it against Roman Copylaf, and
I was really excited to see Roman Copylaf fight and
fortunately got canceled.

Speaker 2 (01:09:13):
Honestly, I think Paula Costa was kind of done.

Speaker 6 (01:09:15):
I'm over the whole Polocaust.

Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
I think that that that was another one where it
was like I feel like for me, I can't tell
if it was like this is roughly when I started
paying a lot more attention to the sport, or if
it was just like this is also when he should
started popping off him versus easy. I feel like when
I first heard about him, and that's when I was like, oh,
this is this this person And I.

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
Saw some of them sidelights, but that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:35):
Literally, inventory to me, are the same human crazy, They're
the same person.

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
They're very you know, on the prelims.

Speaker 6 (01:09:44):
I don't Brandon Allen or is that?

Speaker 2 (01:09:48):
I think no scheduled, scheduled schedule.

Speaker 1 (01:09:51):
That's that's on that that's on the the Dustin Porio card.

Speaker 6 (01:09:54):
Is I think I want to see Brandon Allen beat them.

Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
That's what I was saying, Like, there's on that card.
It's it's very okay, you know, there's nothing that's very
They're also on the prelims. Actually it's Marvin Victory versus
Brenning All on the prelims. They're the ones that's closing
that off. Yeah, I don't know, man, that that whole
situation is just a little weird with some of those
like middleweight dudes.

Speaker 7 (01:10:14):
They need to apolocausta thing.

Speaker 3 (01:10:16):
When fighters pull out.

Speaker 4 (01:10:19):
How do you feel about the whole rescheduling thing, because
like both fighters don't pull out, you know what I mean?
So me personally, I feel like that fighter should get
a replacement. I understand it's short notice and it sucks
change the game plan.

Speaker 3 (01:10:32):
But at the same time, it's.

Speaker 1 (01:10:33):
Like sometimes they're just from what I've seen, it really
isn't anybody that will step up there really is. They'll
they'll put the word out, they they'll have a couple
of people that are in rotation, and sometimes there really
are just people that are just.

Speaker 2 (01:10:44):
Saying, bro, I can't do it.

Speaker 3 (01:10:45):
I hate when fights follow.

Speaker 2 (01:10:47):
And I do too.

Speaker 1 (01:10:48):
I like the fighter that's like I need to stay ready,
so I never got to get ready toen of mentality,
because I do feel.

Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
Like there's a lot of opportunities missed.

Speaker 1 (01:10:55):
Like you said, like if there's a fight that falls out,
that fighter should get the opportunity if they're ready to
still get in there and scrap no matter what it is.
And that's why I like when like you have the
the rob Fonts or whatever that are like willing to
step in on the last minute. You have these guys
that are just like whenever you need me, I'm there, Yeah, yeah,
Kevin Hall, and like these are the guys that like
maybe not have the best record, maybe you're like title

(01:11:16):
shots a little shaky, but at least.

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
They're willing to really be like yeah, whenever.

Speaker 5 (01:11:20):
Consistently fight because like.

Speaker 1 (01:11:23):
To even get into the higher level, Bolklanovski is a
champion who's also like whenever.

Speaker 8 (01:11:27):
Literally I love that ship because like I hate, I
hate there's a lot of these fighters that don't fight enough.

Speaker 3 (01:11:32):
Yeah, yeah, you know what, you forget.

Speaker 4 (01:11:34):
About it, and then they fight that one time and
then they expect the world and it's like.

Speaker 1 (01:11:37):
Bro, that's the part that like I understand that they're
putting a lot on the line, but like I think
this is where you get into the thing of like
talking about money, where you're like, yeah, I understand why
it is, Like baseball players get paid what they get paid.
They play one hundred plus games a year.

Speaker 7 (01:11:50):
For me, back to back to back sometimes yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:11:52):
Like you fight once a year, maybe twice a year.
We got dudes on the roster that are unranked are
fighting four times. You're just trying to feed their family,
but they want me to.

Speaker 5 (01:12:00):
I'm always on like I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
What to tell you.

Speaker 1 (01:12:02):
And then it also makes it it's super difficult for.

Speaker 2 (01:12:05):
Us to care about your name when we rarely see
you or hear it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:08):
It's the same thing with like I guess there are
certain situations like let's say like a Hamzade right where
he had all this hype in the world and still
kind of does. But then do to medical reasons, he
had to kind of take a seat, you know what
I mean, and all for a little bit, get his
life figured out, and then he's coming back.

Speaker 7 (01:12:23):
But did you guys see that post about the Beat I.

Speaker 2 (01:12:31):
Don't know what's going on with that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:33):
Do you think the Beats coming back?

Speaker 6 (01:12:34):
I mean did Hey it's.

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
Been a while, so I don't know if I feel
like that's gonna be like ring. He's one of them
kickboxing Dagistani's. He's one of those flying sand He'll cook like.

Speaker 4 (01:12:47):
Like like the Nights Superstar, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:12:50):
Yeah, just stopped fighting.

Speaker 2 (01:12:52):
He was.

Speaker 1 (01:12:52):
He was in there like you can watch it like
he has you seat fights. He was there, he was
killing people and then I forget what it was. He's
like a doctor or something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:59):
He had. He stepped away for a bit to go
back home, and then now he maybe.

Speaker 3 (01:13:02):
Come that's what he does, superhuman.

Speaker 2 (01:13:06):
He's got to go back and take care of at home.

Speaker 1 (01:13:08):
Yeah, I think that. I think that'll be an interesting return.
I think a lot of people will be happy because
there's a lot of people that don't really know a.

Speaker 2 (01:13:13):
Lot about him.

Speaker 1 (01:13:14):
I heard, I didn't definitely watch. I've only caught live
I think one or two of his fights before he
stepped away. So like for me, it was a lot
of like going back to watch his career. I was like,
why did you leave? Yeah, bro, I'm not gonna lie
to you. When you get these like because everybody immediately
thinks when you see like.

Speaker 2 (01:13:29):
A Russian or something like that, you're like, here comes the.

Speaker 1 (01:13:31):
Rest rest And then when they saw the flying knee
is their first striking, Like that's like a copy of
That's what I was excited to see him one of those.
You're like, here's another. And I saw him find I
was like, oh, no, he's trying to kick your head
off Ukrainian.

Speaker 7 (01:13:46):
He's something around.

Speaker 2 (01:13:48):
Yeah, I don't know, man, he's one of them. I
don't know. I'm not getting all that anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:13:55):
There's been another amazing episode about educated m M A
thank you guys, coach for coming.

Speaker 6 (01:13:59):
Oh last time we were here. I know Justin's not.

Speaker 2 (01:14:03):
Here, but oh, don't even tell me.

Speaker 6 (01:14:05):
We were gifted as an April Fools joke some basketball
cards right now, but we got the real one.

Speaker 2 (01:14:14):
Let's do it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:15):
Let's do it, Let's do let's do it before we
sign off. I feel like I keep going to stories
and Justin is getting there before I get because they're
always sold out.

Speaker 2 (01:14:24):
Let's do it before we get this.

Speaker 5 (01:14:26):
It's been a little bit since we opened.

Speaker 6 (01:14:28):
Up last time. Last time we left here, we went
and we got like four boxes. We got we got
like a couple of stacks. We got a Sean o'n
speaking of fuck me, who wants the yo. I'm gonna

(01:14:49):
put this up. I'm gonna sell this to Kambe.

Speaker 3 (01:14:52):
Whoever wants this get my second. I already have Juliana.
Oh man, this is.

Speaker 6 (01:14:58):
Not a good day for me. Fat DC. I mean,
it's a nice card, but.

Speaker 7 (01:15:03):
You know he just fought her. He's fighting soon, right,
who's that?

Speaker 1 (01:15:10):
Yeah? I can't even see the name.

Speaker 5 (01:15:13):
I got Gilbert Brian's okay.

Speaker 1 (01:15:16):
An's a hobby. Yeah, he just recently.

Speaker 5 (01:15:18):
Tom though I was about to get a bunch of trash.

Speaker 1 (01:15:23):
I feel like I got like a really funny pack
because I so, I got Steven want of boy Thompson. Ok,
I got I got a Miles John's. Keep an eye
out on him. He's he's good. He's he's also a
sleeper that's coming up in the ranks. And then I
got not one, but I got two the same exactly

(01:15:46):
the same exacting.

Speaker 6 (01:15:49):
What's going on with.

Speaker 1 (01:15:53):
This is like when they did the Kamorrow Goosman Championship.

Speaker 2 (01:15:56):
Arm on every champ. That is what I feel like
right now.

Speaker 6 (01:16:00):
Arms.

Speaker 7 (01:16:01):
That's a sign for this weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:16:02):
Don't take them, bro. It's and it it literally is
the same exact description and everything. So yeah, this is
the number sixty six. But Neil d you guys sided
to the d m s see if you have enough
money to afford to taking these.

Speaker 2 (01:16:14):
Off my hands.

Speaker 6 (01:16:15):
Very valuable car, very very valuable card.

Speaker 2 (01:16:18):
That's too funny, bro.

Speaker 1 (01:16:19):
The double pack is crazy. The top the chances, I
don't know, but that's why I said that I make
so many as I would say that I felt something
special in this pack and it was the double Bodil
that off of that, and I know he's an underdog.
I'm putting fifty bats.

Speaker 6 (01:16:33):
On your Listen.

Speaker 1 (01:16:38):
Is one of my favorites, and I love his podcast.
But off the strength of the double Badio Dutch it
out of the side that I gotta.

Speaker 2 (01:16:44):
I gotta I gotta put the house of together. He's
coming back with the title. The title run starts now
shout out with so fuck, what is what is going on?
That's too funny? Oh man? But thank you guys again
for coming.

Speaker 1 (01:16:58):
Thank you for the cars. This is so such good time.
You guys know that this is again. This is going
to be repeat so we're not gonna see you just
once or twice. Like I think that we've we've We've
come across now a couple of people that I feel
like we have a good community of like MMA fans,
so I want to just keep it growing. Funny enough,
the other day, I actually came across some people that
put me into some pretty interesting contacts of like some
big coaches and some big fighters that are in the area.

(01:17:20):
Not only are they Massachusetts based fighters and coaches, but
they're also guys that have connections with other fighters. So
if if things go the way I'd like them to
and we start getting some big names, I need some
knowledgeable people to come in here and help me interview
so show.

Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
So I'm working on things at the background. Guys.

Speaker 1 (01:17:38):
So obviously you guys are the fans put in the
comments TV. Anybody that you want me to reach out
to anybody you know of. I want to get people
from all over MMA.

Speaker 2 (01:17:45):
I want jiu jitsu guys, I want muay Thai guys.

Speaker 1 (01:17:48):
I want full blown MMA guys with wrestlers, dudes that
have state championships behind their names, even guys that were amateurs.

Speaker 2 (01:17:54):
I don't really care. I just like the.

Speaker 1 (01:17:55):
Idea of like speaking to people with like experiences. There's
a lot of people in this area that I've been
put onto that like have a crazy, crazy background that
you wouldn't even expect that they just own a gym
down the street and they're like, no, I used to
train x y Z. You're like, bro, what Like, oh, no,
I fought x y Z as well. You're like, oh dude, what.
So I'm gonn treated to see if I can get
some of these people in here. We're gonna grow those podcasts.

(01:18:16):
It's gonna be dope. And as always, everybody, thank you.
This has been another episode of Uneducated MA. I'm your
host with the most Wandered Bread to b YF Champion
of the World. We got the Wolf and GTP Banks
in the building. Oh thank you, and yes,