UPA - Deanne Norman

On this weeks episode, I’m interviewing a local Ghost Investigator: Deanne Norman of the Mornington Peninsula Paranormal Society. Join Ben and Deanne as they discuss the activities of the Mornington Peninsula Paranormal Society, based in seaside south east Melbourne, Victoria.
Deanne has had lifelong interactions with the paranormal and offers an interesting perspective, on Australian paranormal encounters.

Episode Transcript

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Australia, the sixth largest country onEarth, an ancient, rugged and unforgiving
land with abundant animal life, bothbeautiful and deadly found within its own inspiring

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landscapes and natural beauty. Exists adeep history of unexplained mysteries for anyone with
the courage to investigate them. Tonightwe joined Ben on a journey across this

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vast island continent in search of answersto events that have reshaped the lives of
so many that have been exposed toUnexplained Phenomena austre with your host be He.

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You know everyone, and welcome toanother episode of Unexplained Phenomena Australia.
I've got a really very interesting showfor you tonight and joining me is Deanne
Norman from the Mornington Peninsula Paranormal Society. Now. Deanne has been interested in
the paranormal for over thirty years andher first experience was at the age of

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eight, and she has had manyother exciting experiences since that time. Deanne
spent her teenage years in June inNew South Wales where the famous Monte Cristo
House is, which is the famousHaunted House, and she spent many hours
on tours exploring the grounds with manyparanormal experiences. Deanne's interest pete in her

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late teens and early twenties, andshe's been investigating the paranormal ever since.
Dan's aim is to bring the paranormalto the light, not only to prove
its existence, but to work outwhy it's around us. Dan is also
interested in all aspects of the paranormal, including aliens, UFOs, slash UAPs,

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and cryptids. So it gives megreat pleasure to welcome Dan to the
show. I'll bring her in now. Hi, Ben, thanks so sure.
How are you good. I'm good, I'm good. That's that's great.
That's great. So I thought we'dstart by just sort of discussing you

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first of all, and then we'llsort of have a discussion about the group
and the group's activities, and thenmaybe sort of some of the phenomena in
general at the end of that.And I wanted to sort of just kick
off with a bit of a rundownon sort of how how I came to
know you as well. Ye,I actually also wear many hats, not

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just this one, and I dotwo paranormal podcasts. I do unexplained phenomena
Australia and Strange Encounters down Under withCheryl Gottschol, which you were on a
few weeks ago. And there's anotheroutside interest. I also do true crime,
so basically if it's a mystery,I get very excited by mysteries of

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all sorts, So whether they're paranormallyrelated or whether it's a who Done it,
that's the things that really really appealto me. And about two years
ago I started a Facebook page thatwas to do with the Frankston and Tynong
North serial murders of six women whowere killed in nineteen eighty and nineteen eighty

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one. And it's never been solvedin all these years. Suspects and all
that sort of stuff, but it'snever really been solved. So and I'll
just quickly bring that up. Sothis is that page that I've got,
So it's the Frankston tyne On Northmurders, a cold case investigation. So
that's the pain. And I wasinvited by your group to come along and

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and sort of see and what youguys do because you did an investigation into
the Frankston tyne On murders. Sothat's that's how I got to meet you.
A few weeks ago, and thatwas really really, really really great
experience and opened my eyes up alot too, because I've sort of really
only come at the phenomenon from aUFO perspective. That's my main Anyone who
watches this show knows that's my main, my main passion in life. But

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we do look at other aspects ofthe paranormal and just for a bit of
a bit of orientation for people aroundthe world who watched this show. This
is the area we're talking about.So the Mornington Peninsula is where that dropper
is, so which is on thatthat peninsula that comes around just in the

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southeast of Melbourne. So when we'retalking about the Mornington Peninsula Paranormal Society,
that's their area around there. Notjust exclusive to that area, but that's
sort of the area where they wherethey function. And this is the website
too, so just pop that uptoo, just to give us a bit
of a bit of it, justa little bit of orientation so everybody knows

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what's going on. So well,we'll start with you what brought you to
the paranormal, what where did itall begin, and maybe walk us through
the early days some of those experiencestalking about the Monte Cristo experience and where
you're up to today, and it'sa it's a fair bit of coverage,

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so I'll try and summarize a bitfor you. Yes, yeah, yeah,
so over to you. Okay.So my first experience, Um,
I was about eight years old,and there used to be this little boy
that would come and stay and besidemy bed. Now I only ever saw
him once, but once was kindof enough, and he was around my

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age, and I just remember wakingup one night and here he was sort
of standing beside me, looking atme, and I've obviously screamed for my
mom because I didn't know what wasgoing on. I thought there was a
boy in our house. And she'scome like running into the bedroom, and
as she's kind of come in theroom, he's just faded away. And

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I'm telling her that, you know, and I'm shaking and crying and I'm
telling her what I've seen. Andshe believed me one hundred percent because I've
found out later on that she hadseen that boy a couple of times herself.
That's interesting. Yeah, So thatwas my first ever experience, and
then you know, learning that Mumsort of sat me down and had a
conversation with me about it, andthat kind of made me ghosts Like I

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remember as a kid thinking ghosts,what a ghost like, thinking it's a
mom situation, you know, notunderstanding at all. So then later on
as a teen, we moved fromI was on the Mornington Peninsula at that
point when I was eight, andwe moved from there to June, and
that's when I learned about Monte Cristoand I remember the boys story. I

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can remember that, and I thought, you know what, I'm going to
go up to Monte Cristo. Iwant to know what this ghost house is
all about. So I went thereand I had a few experiences there that
piqued my interest even more so.Then I was a bit of a nerd
at high school. I used togo into the library and read encyclopedias and
stuff, and I can remember thatI would anything paranormal, I'd look at

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ghosts. I'd be flicking through theencyclopedia trying to find ghosts and what they
were and anything like that. Andthen I kind of went away from it
a little bit, I think inmy late sort of sixteen onwards till I
was about nineteen, I got interestedin other things, and I kind of
just left that a little bit,and then I had my daughter and life

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kind of got ahead of me abit, and then back I was still
very interested though, and I wouldoccasionally if a friend said to me that
they thought they had something in theirhouse, I'd go and do it like
an investigation. I'd take an olddigital recorder that I had and my old
film camera that I had back thenand take photos and stuff and do it
that way. And then I actuallystumbled across Martin who is the owner of

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Morington Peninsula Paranormal Society back in twentyand eighteen, and I just sent her
a message and just sort of said, hey, you know, I'm being
a researcher an investigator almost my wholelife. Be happy to join up,
volunteer my time, and yeah,and then that the kind of rest is
history. I've been with MPPs nowfor four years. I'm co manager and

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I'm lead investigator for it. Yeah, you've done extremely well. Yeah.
To be in that position, Iremember as a kid or teenager kind of
thinking I'd love to run my ownparano or team one day, and to
actually be here doing that is likea dream come true. It's fantastic,
you know it is. Yeah,And that was that was my experience too,

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Like when I sort of started backin two thousand and ten, when
I decided that I really wanted toget involved in in UFL investigation. It's
just a matter of taking that leap, and once you do that, you
can leap quite far, very quickly. Yeah. Yeah, so that's a
that's a base summary of the lastthirty years, I guess. Yes.

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So, just going back to theyoung boy that you saw, was he
was his spectral? Was that?Was that kind of how he was?
And how was he How was hedressed? If so? Was he did
he look like he was from moderntimes or from no? Well, he
was kind of just from what Icould remember. He was wearing a white
T shirt, but that white Tshirt was really muddy and dirty, and

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I think from memory, I thinkhe had blue shorts on. Mum.
Now, rumor has it, Idon't know the history fully, but rumor
has it um took a rook onthe Mornington Peninsula used to be Wetlands now
apparently the young boy died there,but I have I've never actually been able
to find the history on him.Yeah. Interesting, but so that must

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have been a real wow moment foryou to have something like that, you
know, it didn't scare you.Yes, yeah, I could remember it
being very um. At first Ithought someone had actually like there was a
boy standing, a real boy standingat my bed. And that's why I've
screamed at my mom, you know, mom coming out like something's wrong.

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And then when she sort of toldme about the ghost thing, of course
I didn't understand it the way Iunderstand it now. So in my head,
um, it was you know,monsters and you know, really bad
stuff like so I thought it was. It was a bit scary back then.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, absolutely, And Monte Cristo is
for those I have had Monte Cristoon this show. I did. I'm

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sure I did a going back throughthe roller decks in my head. I'm
pretty sure I did do a littlesegment on the Monte Cristo mansion in Australia.
It's a very famous old homestead andit's quite big too. That's a
big double story sort of you know, well over one hundred years. I'm
not sure how old it is,but it's it's it's a very old place

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with a very tragic history over along period of time. Yeah, what
sort of experiences did you have whenyou were at the Monte Cristo. Well,
I can remember. The first onethat really comes into my head is
and funnily enough, I was actuallywatching a YouTube video on Monte Cristo the
other night, and it's recent,I think it was only made maybe five

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or six years ago, and thechair I'm about to talk to you about
was actually still in that video,and that was quite like, oh my
god, you know, twenty yearsago and it's still there. But up
the stairs there was this chair,and I remember coming up up the stairs
and walking past the chair and noticingthat there were indents in the chair,
as if someone was sitting in itin it. So, then we went

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into the room where the tour was. It was one of the I think
I think it was one of thebedrooms, and I stood at the door
and listening to the tour go on, and I remember looking back down at
the chair and those indents had gone, and I just kind of found that
a bit strange. And then therewas another incident out in the barn where
I actually saw a shadow figure disappearingbehind one of the wagons. Yeah,

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there was quite a few things happenedout there. I saw there's a lady
on the balcony that I think hadbeen pushed off the balcony. From memory,
I remember catching like a glimpse ofher or what I thought was her.
M yeah, like yeah, butthat I don't know. Have you
ever actually been to Monte Cristo.No, I haven't had that opportunity to

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go. As you're coming too thegame, you're not looking straight at the
building. It's actually on your leftas you come in the gates. But
as you do catch a glimpse ofit, it's got a really haunting kind
of vibe to it. I don'tknow. I think it's just the way
it's built, it's design, it'sarchitecture is just quite haunting in itself,

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and I think that can weigh thatkind of energy for you already, as
you know, coming into the land. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
So those so were they mainly visualexperiences or did you have some sort of
did you have feelings as well,like you know, like panic or sadness
or there was I can remember Ifelt sick in the building. Nearly every

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time I went into the building.I would feel just not like nauseous,
I guess would be the best term, but not not in a physical sense.
It's kind of hard to explain.Like I just didn't feel right,
I didn't feel myself, um yeah, but more more visually, I would
see things yeah, yeah, yeah, Look, I tend to find that

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paranormal experiences usually happen when you're leastexpecting them, you know. That's that's
just how how the phenomenon works,in my opinion. I've said many times,
you can look at the sky fornights on end and see nothing,
but one night you go out thereand you see something incredible and right.
Yeah, don't People talk about intentionto, like having the intent of saying

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something, and that does work too, I understand as well. But for
me, my experience is whether they'rebeing ghostly or whether they've been UFOs has
always been when I have no intention. Me personally have had that experience,
Yes, yeah, I can.Yeah, I agree with you there,
Like for me personally, it's beenvery much the same. I think I've
had more paranormal phenomena happen around mewhen I'm not investigating and least expecting it

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than what I have when I've actuallybeen actually like at a location. M
Yeah. Yeah. Have you haveyour thoughts on the paranormal? Have they
changed over the years as to whatit actually is or how's your experience and
belief being constant over that time.No, it's definitely changed. I think
the more you'll learn about it,the more you tend to theorize a little

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bit, and then you know,you'll come to a conclusion or you know
something. I remember as a kidnot even having really much thought as to
where the paranormal might might exist orwhatnot. But then as I've gotten older,
I've definitely developed some theories on it. Yeah. One theory I think

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is it's dimensional. That's my maintheory that I run with. And I
think all aliens and I think cryptidsthey're all in that that same dimension.
I think it's all very connected.Yeah. Yeah, I mean I love
watching all the all the scary videoson YouTube, and you know, and
half of them are all caught byCCTV doorbell cameras, building cameras. Try

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our cameras. They do the workfor us in this day now, you
know, we don't have to sitout there shivering alone at nights. Yeah,
bring it all up here for hoursin the coal and it just it
does. We are capturing these thingsall the time now, Yeah, whereas

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in the past it was getting footagewas a gem in the past, you
know, back in the days,footage was hard to get no one cameras,
and now there's just this. It'sjust an outpouring of information that's out
there. And I think I agreewith you about this Dench dimensionality aspect of
all of this, that you knowthat that our reality is repliable and flexible

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and phrase or w however you wantto talk about it, and at different
times, for different reasons or forno reason, they interlink, They interlink,
can cross over, and the camerascertainly can pick up you know,
the shadow beings and the and theother images that are out there that you
see really weird looking people at times. Yeah. So I think that's definitely

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you know, attracted. I thinkhe's worth exploring further. Yeah, definitely,
I agree, Yeah, I thinkit. Yeah, the fact that
we've i mean, we've got camerasin our hands all the time now,
don't mean with our smartphones. Youknow, like you said, there's you
know, ccf T, there's streetcameras, there's the doorbell things now,
so Yeah, we're just seeing moreand more phenomena happening. And I think

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a lot of people think that it'shappening a lot more, um, but
I don't think it is. Ithink it's always been the same. I
think it's just now that we've gotbetter technology that that's we're seeing it more.
You know. Yeah, because everyday there's a new video something.
Yeah, it's something that's put upon on the Gram or TikTok or yeah

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YouTube. There's always something coming upout there that's um that we can look
at and wow, and yeah,it definitely is something that's that I think
is going to continue into the future. Yeah, absolutely, And I think
as technology advances, we will seemore and more of it and different possibly
different phenomena coming through too. LikeI think there's a whole world in that
supernatural realm that that's still unexplored.You know, We've got certain things like

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our ghosts and now aliens and thingslike that, but I think there's more
there. I think, yeah,yeah, do you find it also over
the you know, thirty odd yearsof of being you know, around the
around the phenomena and having it,Because what I find is you can you
can you can come and go fromthe paranormal in your life, Like there's
periods of time when you're right intoit, and there's other periods of time
when you're out of it, you'renot interested in All of life gets in

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the way, but it's always there, like an old friend, like you
know, it's it's always not nottoo far away. Have you think have
you found that your experiences have variedover the years in their intensity or is
it consist or is it getting strongerthe older you get. I think I
think that's actually getting stronger the olderI get. But that could be because

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I'm more involved in it now too. I went through a period of time
in my kind of late twenties toearly thirties where I wasn't involved in it
at all other than maybe doing alittle bit of youtubeing here and there,
and of course I wasn't having anyexperiences. Life was a bit chaotic,
and I was just so focused onlife at that point. But I think,

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yeah, I think the older I'msorry, that's all right. Live
guys, you know you will beon the internet. Yeah, the older
I get, the more experiences Iam having, and I'm I've just sort
of started my I guess people callit your spiritual journey. So I'm finding

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that I'm I'm having a lot morepersonal paranormal experiences outside of the business and
outside of the tours as well,and I think that's just because I'm opening
myself up a bit more to it. I think definitely, as I'm getting
older, it's getting more more phenomena. But I am kind of looking for
it too. So yes, yesseek and you shall find, yes exactly

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that that's an old chestnut that I'veheard before and one that I believe in
quite quite well. So let's havea little bit of a chat about the
group itself. So I sort ofI went onto the website and it's kind
of from what I can see lookingaround the place, and then there may
be other examples or not, butit's a group that's not ghost tours,

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no so, and I think that'sa that's a big difference because ghost tours
tend to have the cheap scares andeveryone who's and ours, and you know,
someone stands to their foot or bangsthe door or something, and everybody
goes crazy and we all had agreat time, and you know, you're
in the old Melbourne jail, You'resomewhere being in people and you expect all
that to happen in there, andit's and it's a great experience, and
that's a really interesting thing. ButI think you guys are is perhaps bringing

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a deeper dimension to the whole paranormaland history, Like you're combining the two
and neither one is sort of dominatingthe other. If I got that right,
or yeah, that's yeah, youdefinitely We're definitely not a ghost to
a company, And I yea,my team will have a giggle at that
because I say it all the time. The difference between us with a ghost

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to like you were saying, someof that can be a bit more for
entertainment, but a lot of theghosts to is they know what spirits are
at a location and they'll kind ofpinpoint out, like, for example,
at a jail, I say itwas such and such as jail, and
he's been seen here, and youknow things like that. Nine times out
of ten, out of location,unless it's a location we've been too previously,

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we don't know if we're going tomake contact with any spirit at all.
So I often say to our customersbefore a tour starts, you might
not have any experience whatsoever. Wemight not get anything come through on the
equipment and it might just turn outto be just a straight history tour and
that's it. So what our companydoes it's different is we we essentially investigate

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and discuss the history of a location, and then we check a paranormal investigation
in on top of that and tryand make contact with any possible spirits that
are still on that location from thehistory. So we try and always relate
the investigation to the history. Yeah. So that's the difference like between us
and a standard ghost tour. Yeah. Yeah, And you're not just going

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to the standard ghost to our locations. You could go to it anywhere really
anywhere. Yeah, we've got highschools we do. We do. There's
a couple of cemeteries we do.Where else have we got, Oh we've
got Cole Creek here in Victoria?Yeah, historical town for those. Yeah.
So it's not it's not your typicaljails or your asylums or you know,

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old hospitals or anything like that.We just our main interest, like
our main focus when we're looking forlocations is history. We want to make
sure it's really rich in history andhas a really good history, Yeah,
and that that kind of drives usto picking a location. So the history
is driving it more so than thethan than the hope of paranormal Yeah,

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but I mean there is there isa bigger paranormal aspect to it. But
yeah, just when it comes tothe scouting of new locations, we definitely
try and look for something that's gota really good history, not so much
anything that's got hauntings, although that'syou know, a class if there is
a history of hauntings, but moreso just that historical value that we can

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bring mm and even and it goesbeyond that too, because I've sort of
had a bit of a look onlineon the website and it says that you'll
do haunted home or business investigations.And there's plenty of haunted businesses out there.
Oh yes, certainly is. Andyou also offer house cleansing and spirit
really yeah, so we do offerlike private dwelling investigations. So if anyone

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thinks that they've possibly got a hauntinggoing on at their home, I'll take
a team in just as small,just a few of us, it won't
be the whole team, and we'llinvestigate that and that can take months to
do if you if you do itproperly. M Yeah, and yeah we
do yeah, cleansings and we havemediums that will offer readings as well and

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things like that, so where itis a pretty book broad business. Yeah,
and so like so with that,with a with a haunted home,
you would you would what would thatprocess be? Like, Okay, contacts
you and then what happens? YEA, they reach out to me, And
what I try and do is ifthey don't have a timeline of activity that's

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happened, I will give them likea one month to three months period.
Unless it's dangerous, unless they're havingpoltergeist activity, then I'll go in straight
away. But if it's just likea little like hearing things or you know,
doors are slamming or something like that, what I'll try and do is
get them to record that. Sogive me the time and the date that

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that's happening over it's sort of aone to three months period, and then
from there I'll gather that and havea look because sometimes depending on the type
of haunting you're looking at, ifit's a residual haunting, sometimes it can
be in a pattern, so youget the same phenomena happening at the same
time of the day or things likethat. So I kind of look look
at that, and then I'll goin and take my team, usually two

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or three investigators and a medium,and we'll go in and spend a night,
like a full night doing an investigation, not just a couple of hours.
It'll be like an overnight situation,and try and figure out what's going
on, whether it's a residual haunting, whether they've got an attachment, or
whether it's a previous owner that's comeback to have, you know, upset

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with the new owners or something ofthe location. You know, yet war
colors we've done, you know,Hey, sorry, I don't like those
war colors exactly. I don't likethat, yeah, exactly. Those curtains
are terrible. Yeah, yeah,yeah. So with privates, I tend
to it's a bit um it's abit of a process only because we all

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have strange phenomena happen in our homessometimes, and you know, it can
be very easy, easily explainable.So someone sort was to reach out and
say, oh, I saw mycouch cush and fall off the couch.
My house is haunted. It's like, well, it might not be exactly,
it might not be. So that'swhy I try and you know,
make sure these guys have had morethan once you know, phenomena happen,

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and then if they can record itover a period of time, then even
better. And what sort of thechecking point for that, like you know,
what sort of key indicators are youare you sort of looking for?
M I try and get lots ofdifferent phenomena happening. So if someone was
to reach out to me and say, I'm hearing voices, the doors are
slamming, things are being moved,um, like they're there's sort of three

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specific different like you've got your audiblephenomena, your physical phenomena happening. Um,
you know, if they're feeling likethey're being touched, things like that,
like the more phenomena that is differentthan the better. And that's when
I kind of look at it andgo, okay, you do there's possibility
that you do have a haunting.Yeah, to live your life, you

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know, you would have loved myAuntie's house in Bayswater and Bayswater is a
eastern suburb in Melbourne and when Iwas when I was about twelve, I've
got to share my ghost story.Yeah, of course, when when I
was about twelve, my auntie hadthis house in Bayswater and we'd come from
Bensty, will go down stay there, and she would sort of casually say

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that, you know, oh,you know, there's some strange we think
the house has haunted. You know, it's a few strange things happened.
This is like about nineteen eighty two, you know, around that time,
and you know, Creep show hasbeen advertised on the TV in the house
at the same time. So I'msitting in this house like, oh,
you know had but this is talkingabout multi layering things that occurred in that

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particular house. So she had abull terrier dog, and the bull terrier
would stand and bark into one cornerin the room and she'd do it like
constantly and consistently, and we'd standthere and watching about barking into the corner.
And then that was that was onething, And then she talked.
She'd talk about footsteps and down theend of the house there was a big

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pool room where they had a bigbilliard table down there, and one afternoon
I had the privilege of staying thereby myself. They all went out and
for some reason I stayed in thehouse and I could hear as plain as
day footsteps down in the down inthe poolroom, right like, clump clump,
clump, clump, and then comingup the hallway clump clump, clump,

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clump. Coming up the sul hallway, I could hear this clump clump,
clump clump coming up. Thing.I just lost it and I ran
outside and I ran down and Isat on the I sat on the next
to the mailbox until until my Auntieand Mum came home, because I was
just you know, And then myAuntie said, oh, yeah, you
know, like you know, wehear that all the time. And then

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she said one other times, shesaid, oh, she said that she
was in the bathroom and one ofthe tails on the rack started just shaking,
like absolutely going crazy, like there'sno windows I opened or anything like
that, and then things and itwas a house you'd go into and you
walked into that house and it justhad a it had a creepy feel to
it for no real, no realreason. But that was just the brief

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of my experience that I had.And perhaps you're looking for when you yeah,
absolutely, because there's audio, there'svisual, you know, the audio
sound that I'm referring to the footsteps, you know, Yeah, got a
dog looking at something in the cornerand barking. The dog would always be
looking at something, Yeah, evenby itself. Like yeah, definitely,

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someone was to contact me and say, like all those three phenomena, then
I definitely look at investigating that place. Yeah, yeah, yeah it was.
It was really was a crazy house. And her husband said the same
thing. And they just seemed tolive with it though, like you know
that, which is an interesting aspect, isn't it. You know, like
we all think it's the Exorcist,don't we, you know, and well

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pold guist, you know, andthey lived there for quite a long time
and it didn't didn't spook him outthe door. No, Well, the
people that own money, Christo,they used to live in the building.
I'm not sure if they still do, but yeah, they used to sleep
in the in the bedrooms and thatthere. Yeah, that's meant to be
Australia's my spunted house. And they'relike, yeah, whatever, you know,

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that's unless unless you've got like violentactivity, that's that's a different a
different thing together. You've got violentactivity where you know, people are being
choked or or you know, talkabout being pressed down or sat on or
any of those sort of things.You know, then that's a that's a
bit of a different situation, butit's all that sort of more benign or

(31:19):
mischievous type of behavior that's that youcan sort of live in. I think
once you sort of get used tothe idea that you're not here alone in
a property that you know something actuallyis going on here, maybe you can
find that happy place and live withit. Yeah, absolutely, Yeah,
Yeah, I think I think TVand movies have kind of made it.

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I don't know that because everything soscary in horror movies and stuff with when
it comes to ghosts and the realityof it is, it's just not like
that. You know. Yeah,there's no you know, blackhaired, sunken
eyed woman going to come jump inat your face when you walk through the
door and things that it's just nothow it works, you know. Small
then you've got bigger problems than justas standard paranormal haunting. Like yeah,

(32:07):
you definitely definite, you definitely wantto get out of there, that's for
sure. Yeah, that's yeah.Yeah, And I'm looking a bit further
too. I see that the groupis also obviously does historical research, historical
reports and offer historians to assist inany project or event, and you'll even
do a Hans Night or a Yeah, we haven't actually done any of them

(32:31):
yet. I'd like to do aHans Night or something like that, Like
I think it would be it'd befun, like yeah, because we do
get just touching back on that,how TV and movies have kind of made
the paranormal world terrifying for some people. We do get people come on tours
and they're they're petrified. They won'teven hold a K two meter they're so

(32:52):
scared. That's something you know,that phenomena that when it happens, it's
going to hurt them, and it'slike it's you know, it won't.
I promise you it won't. Butyeah, like it. But I think,
but I think I could tap intothat on a Hens Night, you
know, and have a really goodtime like I've done. I've just I've
done two two, just two briefquick stories of a couple of Rippen ghost

(33:15):
tours. I did wall Halla,which is an old abandoned um town up
gold Town up in Gippsland here andthe big scared they had for that was.
They walk over to the old minesand then you say, listen,
you're listening, and then you canhear these mine carts moving around in there.
This mine's been abandoned for so long, and it's like, oh my

(33:36):
god, we can hear these cartsmoving around. Oh my ah. You
know, everyone everyone's peaking, youknow, and um, you know,
and then something comes up and basheson the door and everybody freaks it up
and it's it's some guy that's inthere. You know. It gives everybody
the buzz. And then when Iwent to Port Arthur in Tasmania, which
is without which is another famous placefor ghosts, they did a few jump

(33:59):
scares and stuff that send people chopo as well. So yeah, you
know, so yeah, but thisis this is and that's what people are
looking for, like they want thatthat universal scared type of thing goes to
or then I think that, youknow, yeah, what you guys are
doing, it's slightly different to that. It's not not necessarily guaranteeing a scare

(34:21):
and we're going to get a scared, no, because we're quiet. And
it's not to say that those peoplethat run the ghost to us aren't serious
about it, but we're we comeat it from a very different angle.
We're not I mean, yeah,we're for entertainment, obviously, we're two
a group. We want our customersto have a good time, but we're
not we're not that gimmick, Iguess for lack of a better term,

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and for no disrespect towards any otherto a group either. We come at
it from more of that science basedaspect. Like all all of us that
are in the paranormal side of it, we we're passionate about the paranormal and
we, like all of us,have that same kind of goal and dream
and that and then that's to youknow, prove its existence as such.

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Um so yeah, we're more ofa serious kind of group rather than yeah,
just the standard ghost tour. Yeahyeah, yeah, so so so
researching and tapping into the history,yeah yeah, Well you can find out
about about a particular location and whatare some of the locations that you've been
to, I mean you mentioned schoolsbefore, cemetery, what other what other

(35:29):
sort of places as the group conductedtheir tools and investigations. Okay, so
our first one of our first locationswas actually tai Ab Cemetery, Um,
Yeah, that's on the peninsula.That's a really good location. Every time
we go there, we've got weget phenomena happen the Mornington I think it's

(35:52):
the more Mornington High School, orit might be the Yarrowville School. I
actually haven't been on that tour yet, so I'm not too certain about that
one. We do Mount Martha CommunityHouse. Um that every time we go
there, there's there's footsteps, there'saudible voices you can hear, there's our

(36:13):
historian Alana had her first ever paranormalexperience there and it actually turned her from
being a skeptic to a full onbeliever in the paranormal world. What else
have we got. We've got ColeCreek. Um, we've got now Tynong,
But that's more on our true crimekind of aspect now that we're branching
out into. Yeah. Yeah,we've got yeah, some old homesteads,

(36:38):
the Colins settlement down in Serene.So we've got kind of a broad range
of sort of indoor and outdoor locations. As Cole Creek produced anything at all
that being an old I think it'san old mining team. Yeah, I
think the team. The team wentthere or about a month ago, maybe
five six weeks ago, and yeah, they got they had a really good

(37:00):
night. I'm due to go downthere on our next one, which I
thinks on the fourteenth of October,so I'll not like i'll know, you
know, for certain, whether there'sgood activity, but actually yes, on
Saturday, our team went to theWestall UFO, so yeah, yeah,
and they picked up phenomenal readings onthe K two. They actually measured they

(37:23):
had two K twos and they wereactually walking around it was both K twos
were just going crazy to the redand they actually found out that just by
walking around and trying to like locatethis energy field that the K twos were
picking up, it was in acircle, like it was the shape of

(37:43):
it was in a circle. Andwhen they actually stepped outside of the circle,
the K two meters had stopped working. They'd come back into the circle,
and the K two meters had startedgoing off again. So yeah,
like that, they were really reallyimpressed with Westall, like they want to
go again, so that I thinkthat's going to become probably a permanent location
for us. Yeah. So yeafor those who are listening, who who

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don't know what we're talking about,on the sixth of April nineteen sixty six,
there was a mass school yard UFOencounter at the Westall High School and
one hundred and fifty to two hundredstudents and teachers all saw these objects at
about eleven o'clock in the morning andthey went down to this little park land
nearby where there's there's really strange treesthat are still there to this day,

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and some of the objects landed onthe ground in that area and they've got
covered up for years. No onejust got totally covered up, and it's
gradually received a lot of traction inthrough the documentary Westall sixty six a Suburban
Mystery. Rosie Jones and Shane Ryanput a lot of energy into that,
and Shane continues the work bringing allhe can find out about west All.

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So, yeah, it's very interestingto hear that the group has been to
that location because there's the school andthere's then there's the park land, and
I've been there many many times.It really is a fascinating, fascinating case.
And I will do an episode onWestall here on this show too,
so we do get that. Butyeah, it's interesting that they went there

(39:12):
because it's not a typical ghost encounterbecause it really is. It's a from
ao uap Um, you know.Yeah, different perspective. Yeah, well
that's what we're trying to now.We're looking at kind of branching out into
those other areas of the supernatural orparanormal world, you know, with UFOs
and UM. I'd like to evenstart looking at cryptids and things like that

(39:37):
as well. Yeah, that's whywe've just started the true crime kind of
aspect too. Like true crime isnot really paranormal, but it's definitely a
like a history based kind of thingwhen you can look back at cold cases
and have a discussion about them.And that's what Tynong was fast. It
was more wasn't so much about theinvestigation, the paranormal investigation. It was

(39:59):
more so about bringing that case tothe forefront again and having it just to
sit down kind of discussion about it. M Yeah, well I'm going to
give one for it. Marathon Road, briag Along and Link Road. That's
just something to think about because Iknow, I know you're in that area

(40:22):
at Marathon Road. There was agreat UFO case out there with with with
an object. A deer hunter hadgone out with his Godson early in the
morning, and they traveled out toValencia Creek and as they went out there,

(40:42):
they're going to go out that wayout to that area, and what
happened was had been floods, sothey had to drive back around into Stratford
and go another way. And asthey as they turned around at Valencia Creek,
they came back, he noticed thisred light off to the side,
and this red light started pacing theircar all the way down. If he
it up, it's fed up.If he slowed down, it slowed down.
And as he came into Stratford,it took off ahead of him and

(41:06):
it and it flew up. Andin Stratford there's a crossroad with the pubbies
with a bar hotel we're going tocall it. And the object hovered above
the cross road there and as hiscar approached, the object dove down at
the car and it came straight downat the car. He put the brakes
on and then it shot straight backagain and he turned and they continued out
to go hunting, and they andthen the object took off. They just

(41:29):
saw it take off, and theydrove out to their location right and when
they got to the location, getthis the object was waiting for them.
I got a theory about aliens andthat going. And so as it was
hovering there, this little this littleprobe came out from the craft and it

(41:50):
traveled across to a paddock on theother side of the hill and it landed
on the ground, this probe,and it sat there for a few minutes,
and then it came back to thecraft up into the craft. This
is in Bragolong and went up intothe thing. And then then this object
slowly trying to get my hand,ride on the camera straight up into the
sky and just off that road,which is there's another road called Link Road,

(42:13):
and there was a really good yaweeencounter on there when a couple were
driving up to one back cottages,which is a like an airbnb you can
stay up there. And they're drivingup there about nine o'clock one night,
this is about twenty and twelve,and they saw really recent they saw what
they described as Chewbacker walked across theroad in front of them. So this

(42:35):
tall like people eight foot tall,covered in red hair man walked across the
road in front of them, andthey just stopped the car and looked like
this and they think, and thething just the chewbacker just crossed the road
and then they drove off. Andwhen they got to the to the thing
to the where I was staying,he said to her, do you want

(42:55):
to talk about it? And shesays, no, I want to talk
about again. That's just an exampleof the sort of stuff that you can
find in in in different areas.And you know, gent out there you'd
probably get some interesting stuff as well. Yeah, so it's me talking too
much, but you know, that'sthe that's just some examples of And this

(43:19):
is the thing about the paramolet thatthere's all these things that you just never
know about, you never hear about. You really start digging in to find
all these truly magnificent things that havehappened and around the world. Yeah,
well, I'm new to this area, so like hearing stories like that,
that's that's truly fascinating to me,Like, and it just gives me a
bit of a pinpoint location of youknow, where maybe I could go and

(43:42):
start looking for things and yeah,yeah, I'll send you some maps.
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,that's that's all good. And so just
also going back to the group,So what's the team comprised of what sort
of people are on the team,what's their skill set, and just explain
it it's coming for us. Alittle bit about that, Okay, So

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we've got historians, we've got mediumsand spiritualists. We've got our investigators,
we've got people that just purely workbehind the scenes doing research and things of
locations. But we all bring ineach of those elements. We're all very
passionate about it, so we allbring that passion to the group and to
the tour. We all get alongwell, we're all really friendly and happy.

(44:29):
We've kind of like a family.Like that's the way we've adapted it.
We're like a family. You know. These guys are you know,
some of my best friends. It'sfantastic to be able to work with people
who are just as passionate about somethingas you are. Just it makes it
easy. It's you know, andyou just really enjoy doing what you're doing
when you've got a great group ofpeople together like we do. Yeah.

(44:52):
Yeah, absolutely, it's a it'sa it's a it's a it's a special
thing when you can achieve it.Yeah, definitely know, and and that's
that's when being in groups is thatit's best when you know, when you've
got that happening and everyone's on thesame page and you're all you know,
heading in the same direction. That'sthat's the ya, absolutely And what I

(45:13):
like about it too, is forall of us, it's not just a
job that we go and do ona Friday and Saturday night. Like.
It doesn't end at the end ofour tour. Like for most of us,
we then go home and we continueour research on the paranormal or we
continue researching, you know, thelocal history of an area or something.
It doesn't it's not a job likeit. Yeah, Like there's just so

(45:34):
much passion involved in what we do, which I think is brilliant. You
know. Yeah, Yeah, that'sabsolutely absolutely the best way to go.
Now. I'd just like to askthe question attendees who have been along to
your various sessions, what have theyexperienced? A lot of them, I
think, I think a lot ofpeople come along mainly for the history.

(45:55):
Um, some people do come alongbecause they're expecting a bit of a fright
or to get a bit of ascare. But we've had people fall ill
on our tours from that paranormal energythat goes on we've had people go from
being skeptic to a believer because we'vesort of you know, had an experience

(46:16):
or they've had an experience. Um. Yeah, like we get they've because
because we're doing the investigation together asa whole unit. So whatever we're as
an investigator, you know, withthe Spirit Box or the K two,
so they're they're experiencing everything that we'reexperiencing on that tour as well. Yeah.

(46:37):
I think that's great. I thinkthat adds just to that that fun
element to it, you know,and we try and get the customers involved
in what we do, so we'llhand them the equipment as well to do
their own kind of to lead theirown investigation or something. Yeah, that's
that is really good to give peoplethat that real time experience of yeah,

(46:57):
feeling feeling like they're a part ofan action, a part of it.
Yeah. Real you know, thisis an investigation and I'm along, Um,
you know, you might be therefor the history and the history of
history is always interesting, no doubtabout that. And you know, if
you get other connection on top ofit and it's not a not a party
guarantee, that's that's really really goodto Yeah, I like to say to

(47:19):
people that paranormal investigating is very muchlike fishing. You can go to a
location and chuck your rodd in andnot get a bite for hours and go
home, and then the next dayyou can go back to the same location
chuck your rodd in and you'll getbite after bite after bite after by,
And paranormal investigating is very much likethat. It's you know, it's like
the cartoon of the singing frog.He never sings when you're when you're wanting

(47:43):
to, and he you know,that's that's what parmal Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, you can stand it thereand go the ghosts are going to appear
and nothing happens. And that's appetfor a ghost tour, I think,
you know, yes, yeah,that's the pressure with the ghost who was
coming at it from from a differentangle. You kind of eliminate that sort

(48:06):
of expectation. You know, it'slike a while watching how we're going to
see a while? You know,we paid good money to see a while.
We want to see so and whenthe whiles aren't there, it's going
well, you know, And whatsort of what sort of people have attended
the group's events, like what sortof cross section of society are you seeing
coming along? Well, everyone,we get all age demographics. We've had

(48:30):
teenagers there, We've had sixty seventyyear olds there. Um, we get
yeah, Like there's no Um,I wouldn't say there's like a set type
of person that comes along. AndI think just anyone who happens to be
interested in history or paranormal all bothof those things together, Um, I
think they Yeah, they just reallyenjoy that that event, that whole idea,

(48:53):
and we try and our prices arepretty pretty good too, and we
try and keep that. Especially intoday's economy where everything's going up, we've
actually brought our prices down so people, you know, it's more affordable for
people so they can still come alongand enjoy what we do. Yeah,
that's what it's like when you're running, when you're running groups, like,
you've got to find that price pointwhere it's going to make people come and

(49:15):
it's not going to turn them offbecause if they think it's too ext or
what am I going to get themoney? It's you've got to keep the
prices you know, reasonable as yourpost again, but there's always costs,
so yeah, you know, tosome some locations you know, we have
to actually pay to use a locationand things like that. So I mean
I do it for nothing. Iwould absolutely go along and do an investigation

(49:38):
for nothing. That's I wouldn't.I don't expect any any money from it
at all. But yeah, unfortunately, that's just the way, you know,
with a business like that, We'vegot to charge. But we do
just try and keep it as minimalas we possibly can for our customers,
you know, so they can comealong and have a good time and they
haven't you know, blown their budget. They can buy bread and milk next

(50:01):
week. Yeah, exactly, that'sright. Yeah, yeah, we all
we all need we all need todo that, that's for sure. Yeah.
Yeah. So so how often areyou having these? Is it monthly
or how long? How can youholding events? Well? Usually we're actually
i think pretty booked from October throughto January and I'm like, that's every

(50:22):
Friday and Saturday for the next fourmonths. I think we've got locations lined
up. So it's something that inthe past when we were sort of first
starting up, and of course withCOVID we obviously had to put a stop
to it for a while. Wehad you know, a tour maybe once
a fortnight, once every three weeks, but now we're actually running tours weekly.

(50:45):
Yeah, so we're getting a lotbusier. Um. And I think
you know, we've got our Facebookgroup as well, and I think the
more people that join that, um, you know, and then they you
know, because we share our linksobviously on there to our tours and and
I think people really like the ideathat it's not a ghost tour as well.
I think people come along for thatas well because they've done the ghost

(51:07):
tours and I think they are lookingfor a different experience and I think that
hands on paranormal investigation that we givethem. Um, I think people really
like that, and they you know, we've got a lot of repeat customers
that come, you know to youknow, two or three of our tours
every month. I'll turn up.So yeah yeah yeah. And then if

(51:28):
you get really into it, youjoin the group. Yeah, join the
group. Yeah. That's right,yeah, because you know that's the that's
that's an excellent thing. Um.And I know, like last time you
spoke, you told us about anincident your head down on the beach down
on the morning to peninsula. Whereyou would you want to share that with
this that was That's yeah, that'sit. One of our locations, Colin

(51:52):
Settlement, and we were walking alongthe team and I had been been there
for an investigation and where along theboardwalk that kind of goes out around a
bit of a rock ledge And aswe're coming back, we weren't we weren't
investigating, the night had kind ofended. We're just walking back and I

(52:12):
saw a man standing kind of atthe end of the boardwalk, like more
further up from us, and hewas facing the water, so he was
sort of side onto me. AndI remember this going but at the time,
I'm looking back to see if allmy team are with me, and
they were. They were all behindme, and I just looked and blown

(52:35):
away and I'm like, guys,he seeing what I'm seeing. None of
them saw it. It was justme and it was I think he was
from the time period of when Iguess when that area was being colonized,
because he was wearing like a whiteshirt. It wasn't a tailored shirt and
it was kind of open, likeI could see that it was open in

(52:59):
a v the front and it waskind of rolled sleeves, but he had
like this I guess like a kake tattered kind of vest over the top,
and he was just standing looking atthe ocean. And when I've seen
him, he's looked around at meand then look back and just kind of
faded away. And I mean thatwhole experience was maybe five five to ten

(53:21):
seconds long. It was, butthat just blew my mind. And even
though I've had so many experiences overthe years and I've seen a lot,
heard a lot, I still getso I don't know, I kind of
feel like it's a privilege when Isay something like that, Like I just
I don't know, and I'll crysometimes I get so overwhelming, I guess

(53:45):
would probably be the better term.Not in a negative way. It's you
know, truly I see it.I truly do see it as a privilege
if I get to see an apparitionlike that, when they can present themselves,
because I know it's a lot ofenergy for spirit to do that,
I do get the privilege to seesomething like that. It's just it's amazing.

(54:05):
But yeah, none of the teamssaw it, and of course I'm
going to lose in my mind,like, oh my god, crazy,
that's fantastic. Yeah, that's reallyreally good. So yeah, well,
thank you so much Danne for joiningme on this episode of Unexplained Phenomena Australia.
And how do people get in contactwith you or the group? What's

(54:29):
the best channels? So Facebook's probablythe easiest one. So if you go
onto Facebook and type and search forMornington Peninsula Paranormal Society will pop up where
now because we have branched out intofurther Victoria, so I'm obviously now up
in Gippsland and we're also doing thewestern sides of Victoria and Melbourne as well.

(54:51):
We are changing our name and itwill be Victorian History, Heritage and
Paranormal Society. That's a long Iknow that's a mouthful. So it'd still
be able to find us at MorningtonPeninsula Paranormal Society on Facebook and we'll have
our website there on that page foreveryone to be able to click on and
have a look at. Excellent you'redoing a YouTube channel with investigation. Yeah,

(55:15):
we will be in the future.Yeah, we haven't gotten that far
yet. I think we need justa bit more camera equipment and things like
that to be able to run thatsuccessfully. It is something I'm looking at
and actually branching out and doing nowthat I'm in gipps Land, even just
on my phone, just filming stuffon my phone and putting it on our
YouTube. Yeah, yeah, that'sgreat. So everyone, I hope you've

(55:37):
enjoyed this episode. I know Icertainly have, and Dan's very interesting to
talk to and we'll get it backon again down the track to share more
more interesting experiences with us. Sothanks again Dan and for having been no
worries, and we look forward toseeing everyone again next week