Ep. 1 - A Haunting in Texas

In this premiere episode of UNKNOWN HORIZONS, Micheal and Jesse interview Dolores, who experienced multiple events of terrifying paranormal phenomena while growing up in her Texas home during the 1980s and 1990s.

Episode Transcript

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Tonight. On the premiere episode ofUnknown Horizons, a family falls prey to
supernatural activity in a small home inTexas. Could this be the work of
restless spirits from an ancient burial groundor were darker forces at play? Join
us tonight for this chilling tale.I'm Jesse and I'm Michael and this is

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Unknown Horizons. But first the news. This story comes out of Shaker Heights,
Ohio. Paul Landis, a residentof Shaker Heights, has released a
memoir titled The Final Witness that delvesinto his experiences as a US Secret Service
agent, including his involvement in theassassination of President John F. Kennedy.

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Landis, who protected the Eisenhower grandchildren, the Kennedy children, and First Lady
Jackie Kennedy, considers his time asa Secret Service agent as the best job
he ever had. However, witnessingthe president's assassination and haunted him for years,
causing terrible nightmares and emotional baggage.Landis was present for various key historical

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moments in the wake of the assassination, everything from President Lyndon Johnson swearing in
on Air Force One to the funeralof President Kennedy. His newly released book
offers a different account of the dayKennedy was killed, however, when compared
with the official version of the day'sevents. Despite the fact that Landis has
not revealed his story until twenty twentythree or spoke to investigators at the time,

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he now claims that he found theinfamous magic bullet that supposedly went through
President Kennedy and Governor Connolly embedded inthe back of the presidential limousine and placed
it on a stretcher at Parkland Hospital, fearing it would get lost. Now,
listeners, if you're not already familiar, the official account of Kennedy's assassination

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states that the bullet embedded itself inGovernor Connolly's thigh before falling out while on
a stretcher in Parkland. Again,Landis Is claiming that he himself found it
embedded in the back of the limousineand placed it on a stretcher in Parkland.
Now, I'm sure the conspiracy freaks, Michael, They're gonna really eat

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this one up and find something strangeto do with that information. So it
is what it is, I guess. After leaving the Secret Service, Landis
retreated from public life due to themental damage caused by the assassination. The
final witness is now available for purchase, bringing Landis's experiences to light after sixty
years of silence. So, Michael, I mean, that's pretty interesting.

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He's claiming that the bullet did notfall out of Governor Connolly's thigh once he
was inside the hospital. He's claimingthat he found it in the back of
the limousine and brought it into thehospital and just placed it on the stretcher.
That is really interesting. And inmore ghostly news, Jacksonborough, South
Carolina has been ranked fifth in theUS for the highest number of reported ghost

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sites, according to a survey byLance Surety Bonds. The most famous story
is that of a preacher who waskilled by a train while searching for his
missing daughter. Legend has it thatif you flash your headlights three times some
say five on Parker's Ferry Road,you can see his lantern in the distance
and hear the sound of the passingtrain. That's very similar to the legend

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of the Hookerman lights out in NewJersey where I grew up. That must
be one of those things, likehow every state has a cry Baby bridge.
Yeah, like a local urban legend, the story of the Preacher in
the Lantern, known as the JacksonboroughLight, has been passed down through generations
and draws visitors from both near andfar. The survey by Lance Surety Bonds
found that nearly sixty percent of carowners have experienced paranormal activity while driving,

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and forty seven percent reported hearing similarstories from the same area. Well.
I don't know about you, Michael, but Progressive has personally never asked me
on any of their surveys have youexperienced any paranormal activity? But you know,
with all this news that's coming out, that might be the norm one
day. Yeah, who knows,Maybe that's the next USAA AD campaign.
But Jacksonborough, with a population ofjust over two hundred, is located on

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Highway seventeen along the Edisto River.It's a small community with gas stations,
restaurants, and the necessary amenities.The legend of the Preacher's Ghost is a
prominent part of Jacksonborough's history, despiteits humble size and rural setting. War
Jalis, a reporter for Wave inLouisville, previously investigated the Jacksonborough Light.

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Jallis and his production crew filmed thelight on two consecutive nights, and although
they believed they had debunked it asthe light of a turning car, many
people have continued to report sightings overthe years. Jalis is still intrigued by
the story and would like to revisitit, reflecting on the possibility that they
might not have completely debunked the myth. Well, I would prefer to believe
that it's not just a passing car. I personally love these urban legends,

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these local ghost stories. I thinkit's one of the great things that adds
a lot of flavor to a lotof these small rural towns all across America.
I mean, where I grew up, there was no shortage of them.
I'm sure you had plenty of themwhere you grew up. And speaking
of haunted areas, to the surpriseof absolutely none of our listeners, Gettysburg,
Pennsylvania, has been named one ofthe spookiest cities in the US,

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coming in at number two on alist compiled by Vivant. The study compared
cities and states based on factors suchas the number of ghost sightings and haunted
house attractions per one hundred thousand people. Gettysburg also made the top five for
cities with the most reported ghost sightings. Searches for quote haunted locations near me

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app in the US have increased bytwo hundred and fifty six percent in the
past year, according to Vivant.In a separate study by Upgraded Points,
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, was ranked asone of the best cities in America to
be a ghost, coming in fifthplace. Springfield, Massachusetts, however,
came in at number one. That'sfunny Springfield is you know, it comes

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in at number one on this list. But it's not a place that I've
heard in too many stories. AsI mentioned at the beginning, you hear
about Gettysburg a whole lot. It'sgot its own tourism industry over there.
Yeah, that's really surprising. I'venever heard of any Springfield myths or urban
legends or anything like that. Well, I have to look into it.
I wonder if it has something todo with the Revolutionary War. Yeah,
that's what I'm thinking. Well,you know, all of you watching the

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skies are going to love this story. The US government is receiving dozens of
reports of unidentified anomalous phenomena commonly knownas UFOs each month. According to the
director of the office established to investigatesuch incidents, the office has received approximately
eight hundred reports of unidentified objects toinvestigate as of April twenty twenty two,

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with potential for hundreds or thousands morereports in the future. While the majority
of reports are benign like balloons ordrones, some may be the result of
foreign adversaries attempting to spy on theUS. The Pentagon is preparing for a
flood of new reports with the openingof two new portals for submissions, one
for historical sightings and one for publicsubmissions of new reports. The director of

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the Office investigating UFOs in the UShas stated that the government receives dozens of
reports of unidentified objects each month.And while we're on the subject of UFOs,
Michael a new book suggests that thefamous UFO abduction story of Betty and
Barney Hill is more about race thanaliens. The Hills, an interracial couple,

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and civil rights activists, shared atale that reflected their frustration with the
slow progress of the civil rights movement. Historian Matthew Bauman argues that Barney Hills
experiences with racism as a black manin the mid twentieth century played a significant
role in their alien abduction encounter.The Hill's story added a horror element to

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alien encounters, and the racial dimensionoffers a unique perspective, highlighting the experiences
of people of color, who areoften viewed as quote alien or other.
The Hill's account transformed the way peopleperceived alien encounters, introducing elements of horror
such as gray skinned aliens with largeheads and black eyes, missing time,

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and forced medical examinations. Before theirstory, most reports depicted friendly encounters with
UFOs and aliens. However, theHills's tail also contained an underlying racial element,
reflecting their subconscious fears. According toBowman, as a biracial couple during
a time when it was challenging tobe one, the mix of black and

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white and the alien figures they encounteredallegedly holds symbolic meaning resonating with the couple's
personal experiences. Despite skepticism from scientists, the Hills stood by their story.
Barney passed away in nineteen sixty nine, but Betty continued to assert that the
abduction took place until her death intwo thousand and four. Over time,

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their story may become recognized less asa UFO abduct tee Tale, and more
as a representation of horror, akinto movies like Candy Man and get Out,
which into similar racial fears. Thesefilms capture an experience familiar to Barney
Hill and other people of color,where they can incite terror simply because they
are perceived as different or alien.Well, of course that's a very interesting

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theory. But yeah, I meanI have not dug into the Hill abduction
as much as many of these otherUFO researchers have. Yeah, I've done
a fair amount of research into it, and I always had the inkling that
their story was, you know,maybe not so much an alien abduction story,
but kind of like a cover storyfor some type of trauma. I

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think that was always definitely in play. There could be, And it's also
one of those stories where hypnosis playeda large part in the bulk of the
lore coming out, definitely, Andif you've heard the tapes of those hypnosis
sessions, they are very startling.But with both of the Hills gone and
this having happened so many decades ago, obviously it's all open to interpretation.

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But I've seen enough strange lights inthe skies for me to take some of
these stories at face value and gookay, well maybe something like that did
happen. Yeah, and we haveone more ghost story from the newsdesk before
we get to tonight's caller. TheLibrary Restaurant in Portsmouth, New Hampshire,
has captured a ghostly image on itssecurity camera, leading to speculation about whether

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the establishment is haunted. The restaurant, located in the Rockingham House known for
its ghost shared the video on theirFacebook page. The footage shows a white
mist or a cloud passing by thecamera, triggering the motion detectors inside the
building. The incident occurred outside thewindow above the restaurant's iconic golden lion statues.
While some suggest alternative explanations, manybelieve it to be a genuine paranormal

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encounter. The Library restaurant has beenoperating since nineteen seventy five, but it
is the building's reputation for being hauntedthat has garnered the most attention. The
video, posted on their social mediapage, captured a mysterious figure passing by
the security camera, prompting speculation abouta lot of ghostly activity the restaurant's basement,
which contains tunnels that supposedly stretch tothe ocean has long been associated with

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eerie occurrences. The sighting has sparkedcuriosity and discussion about spirits and hauntings among
patrons and locals. Roxyz, aWicker of New England Curiosities, who has
investigated the location and interviewed numerous individualswho experienced strange phenomena there, believes that
the accumulation of stories indicates something paranormalis happening. However, not everyone is

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convinced, offering explanations such as cigarettesmoke or dismissing it as a coincidence.
Regardless, the library restaurant's recent encounterwith the supernatural has added another chapter to
the building's reputation as a haunted location, enticing the curiosity of both believers and
skeptics. And we will have thevideo of this alleged supernatural activity on our

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to reach us at. And Now, without further ado, let's begin the
show now. Listeners, I encourageyou to dim the lights, place yourselves
in a comfortable, familiar, andrelaxing environment because we will not be dealing

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with any comical tales of the paranormaltonight. No, listeners, tonight,
we will be dealing with real life, shocking tales of the paranormal, and
if you are a believer like me, they will likely unsettle you. Please
join me in welcoming our first guest, calling in all the way from Texas,

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Dolores, Welcome to Unknown Horizons.Hi, thank you for having me.
Yeah, thank you for giving usyour time. We really appreciate it.
Now, Dolores, before we startedrolling, you mentioned you have several
stories involving the paranormal from your grandmother'shome. Correct, yes, my childhood
home. All right, Well takeus back to the beginning. How old

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were you when these hauntings began?And in what part of the country did
this take place in? Okay,so this is my grandparents' home. Was
or is located in Olpaso, Texas, and so my family lived in there
obviously before I was born, soI had heard there's so many stories that

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they have, but this is mystory, and it started when I was
about four or five years old.My first experience, I was laying in
bed and my mom is deaf,so she can't hear heart like anything.
I was laying in bed and Iwould always tell her not to let me
sleep alone in this specific room.It was the scariest room of the household.

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She thought that I had fallen asleep, but I did it. So
she walked out of the room andthe door slammed behind her, and she
didn't close it. She just walkedout and I kind of woke up.
And as I was laying there,I felt something get on the bed,

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like climb on, and I startedpanicking. So I was looking at the
end of my bed and I couldn'tsee anything there, but I started to
fill like tiny feet walk and stepall over me. And at that point,
I just pulled the covers over myhead and something pulled my hair and

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I immediately jumped out of my bed. I ran out of the room,
and I was so angry with mymom. I pushed her and I told
her. I told her not toleave me alone in his room. This
room that you described as the scariestroom in the house, this was your
bedroom. Correct. Yes. Now, despite this incident when you were four
or five years old, being yourfirst brush with the paranormal in this house,

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you would also mention that you hadalways felt uneasy in this room.
Was there a definitive reason for this? Had you been told something previously about
this bedroom? So I feel likethere was several things that happened in this
room. But I would wake upwith scratches. I could barely sleep because

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I would dream of people staring atme. I think at one point our
bed shook. Did that happen whileyou were awake? Or did the shaking
wake you from your sleep? Wewere awake, and my mom she remembers
that the most what you're describing isclassic poltergeist activity. Could you describe the
type of shaking you experienced in thisbed? It was like I've never experienced

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an earthquake, but it's what Iimagine like a rumble. Yes, like
almost like somebody was at the endof the bed and just like picking it
up. And down really quickly.So my mom, you know, she
became desperate because it just seemed likea lot of the activity was directed at
me. So she went to gosee somebody out here. Sometimes they're called

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gurandera, but she went to askfor help, and this person told her
to have a glass of holy waterby the window sill and that that would
keep things at bay. So shedid that, but it was as though
something was drinking the water rather quickly. It was constantly disappearing. Windows seemed

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to have a lot of significance inthe spiritual world. I remember when my
grandfather passed away a few years ago, a priest told my father to leave
the window in my father's bedroom openfor two or three days so that his
spirit would have an open opportunity tomove on to the spiritual realm. And

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the window in this case definitely seemssignificant, especially with the rapid disappearance of
the holy water from the vessel.I mean, we're talking about holy water
vanishing at a much faster rate thanstandard evaporation. Yes, so much so
that my grandma had to get holywater by the gallon, and I specifically

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remember always seeing it in the closeton the floor. So as I grew
older, it seemed like there wassomething that looked just like me, and
sometimes it would get me in trouble. And one day my mom asked me

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to take clothes out of the dryer. As I was doing that, my
mom came stuff on me and sheslapped me in the face and was like,
I told you to get the closeout of the dryer. And I
was like, I'm doing that rightnow, and she said, well,
I claw you running around in thehallway and I was like, I wasn't
even there. I've been here thewhole time. Now, I'm a believer

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in the paranormal, but I'm notone of these people who automatically assumes every
haunting is demonic. But what youare describing here is what we often see
in these demonic haunting cases, whereentities can disguise themselves as your loved ones

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or even you while taking up residentsin a dwelling. Yeah, it's like
they're just trying to intentionally create conflict. Definitely, because I was constantly getting
in trouble for running around or doingthings that I wasn't doing. I'd been
in like on the other side ofthe house was your mother the only one

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who had seen this, for lackof a better term, double of you,
I believe because we lived with mygrandparents, So I believe my grandmother
had seen it because I think onetime she was like, quit running around
over there, you're gonna bother yourgrandpa, and I was like, I'm
watching TV. Well, also puttingyourself into the mindset of the entity that

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was doing this. It's almost theperfect thing for something like that to do
with the child of that age,because that's the age where a lot of
children will get into mischief and blameit on their imaginary friend or their invisible
friend, except this time it's veryreal and not as friendly. Yeah.

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No, I think at that pointI was a little confused. I don't
think I saw it. As Igrew older, I realized like they were
seeing something and they weren't just blamingme for whatever it was that was happening.
Was there a moment where everyone realizedsimultaneously that this little girl running through

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the house wasn't you or did theycome to this realization independently? So I
grew up in a very Catholic household, so my grandmother just pretended that it
didn't exist. So it's whatever paranormalactually was going on. She never acknowledged
it. I grew up in asuper strange household where my grandpa was not

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religious and believed in science, andmy grandma was Catholic, so it was
kind of confusing for me, Ican imagine. So my grandma just didn't
believe in ghosts. Every time Iwould say something, she would come up
with an excuse for it. SoI believe she didn't believe in ghosts.
And was there like anyone else inyour immediate family that you would call a

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believer or was it like you prettymuch came from a family of skeptics.
No, so everyone else aside frommy grandma, believed because everyone had an
experience in that household. As amatter of fact, the day that we
have to the weeks we had togo in there and prefit toself, none

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of my family members would stay assoon as the sun started going down.
Really, yeah, nobody wanted.I wanted to go into the house late
at night once and they were like, are you crazy? Why would you
go in there at night? Becausethey were terrified. So going back a
little, during the time that youwatched your bedroom door close on its own

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and you felt the footsteps on yourbed. Was your family still experiencing sightings
of this phantom child? Or hadthere been a calming down period between these
two incidents. It was a calmingdown period. That experience happened when I
was about seven, and then it'slike I had little breaks in between where

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it would get massively worse. Sowere these breaks long enough where you could
have felt some safety and security,like these hauntings were over or was there
always a sense of anxiety that theywere about to start again? There was
always anxiety. I always slept witha lot of rotaries and crusifixes under my

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pillow above my bed because I wasalways scared. No, I don't blame
you, And obviously you were usingevery piece of spiritual ammunition you could find.
Now, going back to the incidentthat happened in your bedroom, you
just saw the bedroom door close onits own. You're now feeling little footsteps

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on your bed. What happens next? It was like it was playing with
me, like messing with me,I guess you could say, because it
was walking on me, getting closer, and then it kind of just stopped,
and I thought it was gone onBut that's when it tugged on my
hair, and it definitely felt likelike toddlers I feet. I'm honestly just

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speechless right now. I've got chillsrunning up my spine. I honestly don't
know how you didn't just flee thebedroom right then and there. I don't
even know how I jumped from thebed off Like it was like one single
movement. I was so scared.And was that the final straw? Feeling
it tug on your hair definitely thatwas that was it, because it I

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guess I was just kind of hopingfor it to go away, but it
pulling my hair just that was toomuch. So I have to ask a
little question. I know it's hardto like perceive what some motivations may have
been, but can you recall if, like the footsteps and like the hair
pulling, if it felt I don'tknow, like if it felt like it
was trying to play a game,or if it felt like it was trying
to hurt you in some way.I think maybe it was just trying to

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play. I don't feel like itwas hurt me, but either way it
was. I don't think my fiveyear old brain could like understand that it
was just like there's something on meand touching me and I can't see it.
Yeah, yeah, I can imaginethat would just be incredibly unsettling.
But I know that just some otherpeople. I guess you were five,

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so there's a lot it's like hardto perceive motivations, but I just know
that a lot of people have insimilar incidents, have recorded, you know,
they felt like the entity was tryingto hurt them in some way.
So I was just wondering if therewas anything like that, because I would
make this story even scarier to me. Well, coincidentally, I had no
idea of this story, but mymom had said in that same room,

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she felt something in the room withher and she looked under the bed and
this was before I was born,and she saw a little child, a
little boy, under the bed andshe was kind of just staring, like
am I actually seeing this? Andhe blew in her face so she closed
her eyes and he was gone,oh yeah, that's I had no idea.

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So I'm telling her like, Ifeel a small child, but my
mom saw a small child one likebefore I experienced it. And that's a
terrible thing, especially at that agefor you because when you're a young child,
it's almost a universal fear that there'ssomething waiting for you under the bed.

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But i'll tell you a quick andfunny story here. When my parents
got married, they honeymooned at Disneyin Florida, and my father bought this
replica plaster of Paris skull from thePirates of the Caribbean gift shop, and
it was It was gorgeous. Itwas highly detailed, looked very realistic.

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But the very interesting thing about itis it glows green in the dark.
And my father kept it in theguest room, which he was using as
a home office, and then whenI was born, that office became my
nursery. So my father, Iguess, thinking well, we shouldn't have
this around the baby, he hidit under the bed in the guest room

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that would later become my bed.So a few years later, when I
was about the same age as youand your story, yeah, I had
to have been about five years old, because I was in kindergarten. It's
right around that time where your friendson the playground are all telling you,
hey, you know there's monsters underyour bed. And of course, even
back then, I wanted to bemister New Jersey tough guy, and I

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was like, no, you're crazy. There's no such thing as monsters,
and if there are, they're certainlynot under my bed. But then,
of course, when you get homethat day and it's time for bed and
you're laying there before you drift offto sleep, you get a little curious
and you're like, well, maybe, So I looked under my bed,

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and sure enough there was a glowinggreen skull grinning at me. And my
favorite part of this story is Iscreamed and hollered and shouted to my parents,
Mom, Dad, there's a glowingskull under my bed. And my
father said, we know, goback to sleep. And so is a
write of passage. I have placedthat skull under my son's bed and I

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look forward to him finding it soon. That's successful. He'll be fine.
He's ten. So, going backto your story, you've felt this presence,
which may or may not be thespirit of the little boy that your
mother encountered before you were born.You felt it tug your hair. What
do you do next? Do yougo and tell your grandparents, do you

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tell your mother? Do you gosleep in another room? What happened next?
I ran to the kitchen because that'swhere my mom was, and I
pushed her. I was still upsetbecause I had told her not to leave
me alone in the room. Anddid she believe you? Like, was
this one she revealed to you thatshe had seen something under your bed?

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Or was she just trying to playit cool so you wouldn't be upset?
She kept it cool, She didn'tsay I think she was just kind of
saying like, oh, it wasnothing, you were just having a nightmare.
And I was furious that she leftme alone. That was That's all
I can remember, is just Idon't do that to me. Now.

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You had mentioned that, other thanthe visual of seeing the door close on
its own as your mother was leaving, that this was an experience that was
mostly based around the sensation of touch. You felt the footsteps, you felt
the tugging of your hair. Butdid you see anything at all associated with
this? Was there an apparition orwas this strictly touch? It was just

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touch and I didn't see anything.Did you ever happen to see the apparition
of the little boy that your mothersaw before you were born? Or was
that strictly her experience? I neversaw him, but I think other people
in my family had seen him.I saw other things in the house,

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and I heard other things in thehouse tell us about those experiences. Okay,
So when I was about ten,one night, I was sleeping next
to my mom and I slept withher until I was twelve, because I
was always scared of that house bythe way, and I heard a man
yelling in the middle of the night, and he was screaming about his cologne,

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and I thought it was my grandpa. But then the woman started speaking
in English, and my grandmother onlyspoke Spanish, so she was talking back
and she said, I don't know, like she was crying. I don't
know, I don't know where itis. And he was just getting louder
and louder, and I remember pushingon my mom to try to wake her

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up. She couldn't hear it,obviously, and she was not about me
trying to wake her up, soshe kind of swatted at me. I
covered my ears to stop hearing them. But it was so loud. It
was as though like they were almostin my room but they weren't. I

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can't explain it, Like it waslike intense. And that went on for
a good while and I didn't sleepthe whole mIRC. I was terrified that
morning, and after that I kindof didn't experience too many things until I
was a teenager. And what werethose later experiences like? Were they more

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intense or were they more similar towhat you had experienced when you were younger.
No, it came back much moreintense by the time I was sixteen.
Tell us the first experience you canremember after turning sixteen. So I
just never felt safe in my room. I had a ceiling fan and I

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the longest piece of yarn from thelight to my bed because I was too
scared to get out of my bedto turn the light off. So one
night I had to have noise theradio or the TV on for me to
sleep because I didn't like to be, I guess alone and quiet in there.
And my TV was on. Iwas dead asleep, and all of

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a sudden, like snow like youknow, the static on the TV.
It's super wild for some reason,and I wake up and I'm staring at
my TV trying to figure out howthis happened. And I noticed these kind
of like ink like blobs coming outfrom every corner of the TV. So

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I was just staring because I hadnever seen a TV do that before,
and it was like they were connectingand the TV just turned black, completely
black, and I ran out ofmy room. I told my grandma like,
I'm not going to sleep in thatroom ever again, Like I don't
know what that was, but Idon't feel safe. So she was like,

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Oh, it's nothing, the TV'sbroken. You're just you're crazy.
He gave it to this woman whosebrother would fix TVs and wat it a
two weeks later she came back andwas like, Oh, that TV wasn't
even broken. And that was oneof my last experiences in the room because
I refused to sleep in there.Where did you sleep? After that?

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I slept in the middle room,but I think, to be honest,
it kind of felt like whatever itwas was just kind of following me through
the house. Oh so those experiencesfollowed you into that room. Yeah,
and it wasn't as intense as thatspecific room, but I ended up sleeping
on the couch in the back room. And that back room also there was

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always a man peeking through the backflighting door. Ooh, I might go
back to sleeping and the first bedroomafter something like that, did you happen
to notice any discernible features on theman that was peeking through the door.
Yeah, he was. He waspretty tall and kind of like a muscular

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kind of mum, and his clothinglooked kind of he like had his jacket,
but he was mainly just kind oflike a shadow person, I guess.
But he was always back there.This might sound stupid, but was
there anything that you could ever doto make him go away? Could you
put something in front of the door. We had curtains, and I hated

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when my grandma would remind me toclose it at night because he would just
be there. So I would kindof like run back there, close him
and run back, and then youjust couldn't see him anymore, and you
were okay. Was there ever amoment where you decided to try and confront
whatever this thing was like, ifonly to investigate and see if maybe was

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a shadow that just looked like aperson, or did you just try and
keep it as far away as possible? So when I was in sixth grade,
I had found out that a manhung himself on our tree. Wow.
He lived in a house behind ourhouse, and he basically lost his
job, his family and my auntwere living there when that happened, like

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they remember the police coming. Andso I had this idea like if I
go back there to that house andI show it no fear, that maybe
it would go away. And Ihad friends with me, and we went
back there like angry, like getout of here. It didn't work.
Wow, And that leads me intomy next question. You were dealing with

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hauntings that had clearly defined characteristics.You had the apparition of the man who
was looking at you through the slidingglass door. There's the little boy under
the bed that your mother saw,along with whatever was disguising itself as you
were you ever able to find additionalinformation other than the man who hanged himself,

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Like was there any specific history ofthe house you were able to uncover
that might explain some of these experiences. So where I grew up, it's
called Isla and it's owned by theTea was, which is how I borned
Like indigenous people, it was theirland, and the story was in my

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neighborhood that it was like a ritualburial ground. Oh that's what I had
heard growing up. I'm not sure. I've never done my research, but
I do know for sure that thatentire land is owned by the tea was
because the city always wanted to buyoff the houses to build a freeway and

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they couldn't because the tea was ownedit. Well, that bit of context
definitely lends credence to that story because, as many of our listeners know,
if the local government wants to geta hold of a piece of land,
they're usually going to find a wayto do it. But if it's something
like sacred land or a burial ground, that's usually one of the things that

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will stop them. So it's verypossible that there are things at play here
that are beyond our realm of humancomprehension. Yes, yes, I agree,
Yeah, and that would seem togive credence to the multiple personalities that
this entity seem to have. LikeI wonder if that is maybe tied into
it. You know that that doesmake a lot of sense. I really

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I know that the house was builtlike maybe in the seventies, so I
really don't know what was their prior. Honestly, there's a lot of history
in Isleta actually, so it couldbe where I have no idea. I've
always thought it was the burial ground, but just be land where people once

(37:07):
lived. I have no idea.Well, it definitely sounds like you're dealing
with multiple entities here. It doesn'tseem like it's one force that has staked
its claim on your home and issomehow morphing itself into different things. It
seems like a multitude of entities thatyou're dealing with. Yees, so we've

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heard kind of the scenarios that occurredthroughout your childhood and through your teenage years.
Were these like encounters kind of youknow, centered around that one property
or did you have any other experiences, you know, outside of this house.
So I know that my cousins werefriends with the neighbors more than I

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was, and I know one ofthe households where they were, the Tapias.
I know that a lot of stuffoccurred there. Also, it just
seemed like everybody had a story onthat street. To be honest with you,
I know at night there was anexperience where I don't know how to
explain it, but just when youwalked it was a cull effect. I

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lived right in the center, solike just kind of walking onto the street
at night, you just wanted toget inside really quickly because it always felt
like somebody was behind you, i'dbe spooky. And I have places like
that. In my house. There'sa back hallway where the pantry is,
and sometimes as often as once aweek, I'll find myself standing back there

(38:37):
at night and I will feel likesomeone is right behind me, and I
will dart right out of that hallwayinto another room because it's just such an
unsettling feeling, and I imagine it'sa common feeling. It's probably one of
those things that the Germans have aspecial word for that's only in their language,

(38:57):
like shade and fruit. But Idefinitely understand what you're talking about there,
yeah, because I'm more of askeptic of this type of stuff.
And uh, there's one one sideof my grandparents' house. It's basically just
like this walkway that leads to theirbackyard and it's where they, you know,
store their garbage cans and stuff.And on the other side of the
house is it's kind of like arow of shrubs and it leads to the

(39:20):
neighbor's house. So theoretically there's reallynothing there. It's just bushes and then
the neighbor's sideyard. But I remember, you know, just taking out the
garbage and if it would be youknow, after dark. Like, I
remember just getting like a really unsettlingfeeling every time I was at that particular
spot, and it's like, Idon't know, maybe my brain was just
playing a trick on me, orlike maybe there was something there that I
can quite comprehend. Well, thatgoes back to it being a primal fear,

(39:45):
like all the way back to thetimes of cave people, the fear
of darkness, the fear of theunknown. There are cave paintings that resemble
modern day depictions of ghosts, alongwith UFOs and even Bigfoot. So I
think that's something that is firmly ingrainedin our DNA, this fear of something

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lurking in the darkness. And inyour case, Dolores, it kind of
seems like there was you know,I only had one sleepover because everyone was
terrified of my house. Well,had you told your friends about what was
going on in your house or hadthey experienced something themselves there. I didn't

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want to tell them the story becauseI wanted to have a sleepover. It
was in that same back room andnobody slept it. They were Everyone was
just kind of really scared and theywere making fun of my fireplace. They
said it looked like somewhere Freddy Kolerdied or something, and I was like,

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no, it's really nice back here. There's nothing that we're okay,
And nobody ever came over and spentthe night, So without you even having
to say anything, your friends immediatelygot the vibe that something was spooky there.
Yeah, and it was mainly assoon as it got dark, it
was like the energy and the houseshifted. And you mentioned that this room

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had a window in it, soit wasn't a case of a lack of
natural light adding a sort of eerieambiance to that room, right, Yeah,
it was. There was a windowtowards the front of that room,
and then there was the big lightingdoor. It was all glass exactly,

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so you had an over abundance ofnatural light in that room. Yeah,
definitely, and that room a fewpeople. I had a boyfriend over one
that immediately left because my dog wasbarking at the window and nobody was there.
It's interesting that you bring that up. I was just about to mention
that there is a lot of researchin the field of the paranormal regarding not

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just children being sensitive to these events, but animals, specifically domesticated house pets.
And it seems like everyone who hadan experience in that back room was
of that age that these researchers seemedto think that one is more sensitive to
these experiences. So it really leavesyou to wonder if everyone was experiencing this

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because they were the right age,or if that energy was just so potent
that anyone would experience it. Ithink that it's a combination of things.
Definitely our age. I think thatchildren at that age are just more open
and sensitive to filling things. ButI do feel like that back room,

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once it was dark, you couldreally sense something was there with you.
Now, is this property still inyour family's name? Do you still have
relatives living there? No? Bothmy grandparents passed away and we ended up
having to sell it. Okay,good, it's someone else's problem now.
Unless did something happen to follow youfrom that property to another? I feel

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like nothing particularly followed me. Ithink it's the natural gifts that I have
that I'll always encounter activity wherever Ilive. So while you've had experiences since
leaving that property, you don't feelthey're connected with whatever was haunting that home,

(43:34):
right yeah, no, good.So that means the little boy under
the bed didn't pay you a housecall later, right, No, no,
But I do go visit some ofthe neighbors sometimes. And my neighbor
said that she saw my grandpa's figureat the door. Well, he would
always stand at the door. Hewas very nosy, so he would make

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it a habit to look out thedoor. And she said one night,
I think it was when maybe theyhad just purchased it. Nobody was in
there, and she saw his silhouetteat the door, like she thought for
a second it was him, andshe was going to go in there to
see if he was okay, Butthen she realized, like, oh,
yeah, he passed away. Yeah, no disrespect to your grandfather, But

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that is quite unsettling. Did shehappen to say if she saw just a
quick flash of this silhouette or wasit staying there for a significant period of
time. I think he was juststanding there for a good while. And
my grandpa was a very tall man, and she also took care of him.

(44:44):
She was a nurse. No,it was kind of convenient that she
lived right next door. She wouldnever mistake him, so she was able
to recognize him, just from hissilhouette before having a remind herself that he
had passed on. Yeah. Yes, did she feel unsettled by this or
was she comforted in a way knowingthat he had transcended to another plane of

(45:07):
existence but was able to I guessvisit his old home, you know what.
I didn't ask her, but thatdefinitely kind of now looking back,
kind of creeped me out because itjust seems like something in their likes to
mimic and that's the thing that alwaysunsettled me. Again, I grew up
Roman Catholic, but I'm not oneof these people like the Warrens who say

(45:31):
everything is demons. But when yougrow up in that environment, you do
hear these things a lot about demonsbeing able to mimic lost loved ones.
And one of the things that Ihad heard growing up from a very close
friend of mine named Kyle. Kyleand his family were Presbyterians, and I'm

(45:52):
not sure where he had heard this. I'm not sure if it was something
from church or something he had beentold or read, but one time he
told me, oh, well,you know, you can live a perfectly
good and decent life following the tenetsof your religion. But when your spirit
is ascending into heaven, demons canfly up from hell and drag your soul

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down with them. Now I don'tpersonally subscribe to that, but it is
a very unsettling thing to hear ata young and impressionable age. Yeah,
I agree with you on that.It's the idea of that is really scary.
But I believe that there are justnormal human spirits but kind of get

(46:36):
stuck down here, you know.And it's not always a demon. Not
everything is demonic or bad per se. Yeah, And sometimes when something so
really negative, it can also stillbe a human entity and not demonic.
Well. Yeah, there are countlesstales of human spirits who are not at

(46:59):
rest because as they either have unfinishedbusiness or they need to get a message
to someone living. And it's notalways unsettling. I actually had an experience
a few years ago the weekend thatmy grandfather passed away and hopefully reunited with

(47:19):
my grandmother on the other side.Coincidentally, this was in that back hallway
that I mentioned being creeped out inat night, and it's always at night,
it's never at day. But Iwas heading down that hallway to go
to the back laundry room, thedoor to which was closed at the time,
and as I was halfway down thathallway, I could hear voices coming

(47:40):
from inside the laundry room, andas I got closer, I recognized those
voices as the voices of my grandfatherand my grandmother. Now, an experience
like that may have unsettled someone else, but as soon as I recognized their
voices, I felt this wave ofcomfort come over me, like, Wow,
they found each other. It washonestly a really beautiful moment, and

(48:07):
I just left the hallway. Idecided I'll come back another time, because
I guess I didn't want to interrupt. And I think that is one of
the things that draw people to talesof the paranormal. I mean, everybody
loves a good ghost story and theexhilaration of being creeped out. But I
think a lot of people also havesome hope there that when we pass on

(48:30):
from this physical plane of existence,we will be reunited with the people that
we forged relationships and families with hereon earth. So again, sometimes there
is hope in a ghost story.Oh yeah, definitely, for sure.
I think a lot of people aremore intrigued by it because of that,

(48:53):
because they do want to get ahold or see or hear something from the
loved one. Yeah, and that'sone of the things that really draws me
to speaking with people who have hadthese experiences, because everybody is coming with
their own individual point of view andtheir own individual belief system. And I

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think that as this show goes onand our listeners hear more and more personal
experiences from a wide variety of people, I think they're going to be very
surprised at the sheer number of individualswho have had paranormal experiences, and it
might make them a little less skeptical. I think people really would be surprised

(49:37):
at just how many of us havehad these experiences. I don't know,
what do you think, Michael,Yeah, I was actually just thinking when
you were talking about that story aboutyour hearing your grandparents' voice. Before we
started, you know, recording this, I was telling you guys that I've
I've lived a pretty sheltered life andI haven't really you know, encountered much
you know, loss in the termsof people that I love. But h

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I have a feeling that if Iwere to hear something like that, like
especially like my grandparents who basically raisedme. You know, they're going to
have their in age, so youknow, this is something that I think
about though, what's going to bea life after them? So I'm just
thinking, like if I heard liketheir voice after they were gone, like
I'm sure that would be like achanging moment for me. So I can't
even imagine like how impactful that wasfor you. And it's just got me

(50:22):
thinking about, like, you know, kind of like you were just saying
with the mission statement of the show, like you want to try and maybe
turn some non believers into believers,Like I'm open to it. These stories
are really interesting and I really appreciatedyou sharing your story today. And that's
all for tonight's installment. Listeners,Delores, thank you so much for calling
in and sharing your story, andwe will definitely have you back on again

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in the near future. Next week, a brand new guest calls in with
a captivating tale of a UFO encounterunlike any you've ever heard before. Join
us next week as we go insearch of further unknown horizons. I was
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