Cold and Calculated| The Murder of Kristin Loesch

KJ explores the torture and murder of Kristin Loesch in Houston, TX and the hunt to find the killer.

Chapters
04:23 A Texas Love Story
09:32 The Morning of Horror
11:17 The Investigation Begins
13:17 Bobby's Alibi Under Scrutiny
19:59 Tragic Details of Kristin’s Death
25:22 The Suspect Emerges
31:27 The DNA Match
33:53 Travis Green's Trial
36:29 Appeals and Mental Health
40:03 The Baton Rouge Killings
48:06 The Tragic Shooting
55:03 A Cold Case for Years
59:02 Breakthrough 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:06):
Welcome to Unspeakable, a true crime podcast where I tell
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(00:28):
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But we'll make that announcement sooner than later. All Right,
I've got some shout outs to give, so hang in there.

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If you're from Texas, Arizona, Oregon, I'm coming your way,
even Alabama. So let's start in Texas. And I've got
Keegan Langham from Pearland, Texas. How are you doing. I'm
waving at you on the camera I'm so stoked to
have you and it's gonna be a It's gonna be
a great episode. I hope you enjoy this one with
your official shout out in Arizona, Christopher Davis, what is up?

(02:40):
You are in Tucson, Arizona? How are things going in
your neck of the woods. I'm so thankful for you, Christopher.
And then if this is not the ultimate compliment, I
don't know what is. But Kim Loga, Kim is actually
a friend of mine and a friend wanting to support
you financially is something that is just so touching to me.
So Kim, thank you. You know you're my girl. What

(03:01):
about des Moines, Iowa? Because Ashley Heathershaw is in Des
Moines and I've never been there. You're gonna have to
send me some messages, some pictures show me what it's
like there. But I'm waving at you on the camera
as well. Cleveland, Texas, Miss Angela Golf? What is going
on with you? I had a friend with the last
name Golf, but I don't think he was from Texas,

(03:21):
but that might be your cousin girl. How are you
doing Angela? Then Portland, Oregon, Emily, Now I don't know
if this is Rudell or Ruddle, so I'm gonna say
it both, Emily Ruddle or Emily Rudell. How are you doing? Emily?
You have the sweetest name, though, I think that's precious.
And then in my neck of the woods, right here
Greenwell Springs, Louisiana, I've got miss Pam Myers, Hey, Pam,

(03:43):
how's it going? And then Denim Springs, literally right outside
the door where I'm recording, I've got Andy Ivy. Hi? Andy?
Are we friends? Do we know each other in real life?
We might? I don't know, maybe not, but if not,
we're friends now. And then last, but certainly not least,
I'm going to Alexander say the Alabama with Tiffany Bishop. Hi, Tiffany,

(04:04):
how's it going in Alabama? We actually are gonna play
all this weekend that I'm recording this, so you're probably
gonna stomp our ass, but we'll see go Tigers. All right? Well, Hey,
I'm thankful for all my new friends. I know I
have a ton more shout outs to give. I'll get
to y'all next week, but for now, we're gonna head
in this episode to Texas. So I feel like I'm

(04:25):
always in Texas, but this is gonna be We're gonna
roll it back for a little bit because I want
to take you back to the mid nineties and there
were two teams that were instantly inseparable when they met
in high school. And whether it was puppy love or
something more that was yet to be seen, but Kristin
Loch and Robert Stewart, this relationship was the real deal. Now.

(04:49):
Wherever one went, so did the other and attached at
the hip. That is an absolute understatement. These two were
were tight, tight, tight, And for all of her personality traits,
if anything was to be said, it's just that she
was such a good person in every sense of the word.

(05:11):
Her openness and her honesty, those are the things that
really made people comfortable with being around her. And that's
probably what her sweet boyfriend was drawn to. Originally, she
had no agenda, she had no need to feel like
she needed to have influence over others. But her ability
to make other people feel welcome and that they could

(05:33):
just share things with her, that is such a gift.
I have a friend just like that. I've spoken on
her before, names Krisha, but you just feel so drawn
to her and that it's a judgment free zone, and
that even if you're wrong, she'll call you out on it,
but in the most loving way. And that's the best
kind of friend if you are that type of person.
By the way, here's a hug for me to you,

(05:54):
from me to you, because you're so needed, you know.
But trustworthy those are the other words that you know
every day. Those are just everyday words, I guess, but
they mean everything to a person whenever they are needing
to share their heart. And trustworthy is what people instantly

(06:14):
thought of to describe Kristin. And you know from just
this little bit what type of girl she is. I
hope I'm imparting that upon you. So the two, these
two little love birds, they would graduate high school together
and Kristin would then be college bound, and she was
not interested in going to a large university, but she
rather appreciated the small feel of a community college that

(06:36):
was going to be more her speed, and so she
settled on one right in the heart of Houston. So
by nineteen ninety nine, she was now nineteen years old
and she was your average college kid, but one big
change had recently taken place. She and Bobby, now his
name was Robert, okay, but Bobby was his nickname, and

(06:57):
so we'll go by that. But she and Bobby decided
that they were going to move in together, and this
was a big deal for them. They couldn't be more excited.
They now had their very first apartment together. And after
they got all settled in, next came exactly what you expect.
And no, it's not a baby, So you can just

(07:18):
stop right now because I know that's where you went. No,
they weren't married yet, okay, but a party. A party
is what was going to come next. Hell, yeah, they
were excited. They wanted people to come see their new
little home. And so it was September one, nineteen ninety nine,
when this couple decided to get together and throw a
party with some of their friends. And they had an
absolute blast at this party, and it was one of

(07:42):
many that would hopefully be held at their home. They
liked hosting these and so for they had future plans.
We're going to do this again. This is great. They
loved it and life was just so good for the couple.
But the party came to an end and their friends
all began to leave. You know it, It was a
good time. Everybody's like, hey, gotta go whatever. But a
few people in the apartment complex. Remember these are young people,

(08:04):
and so they're kind of willing to frighten eye with
people that live amongst them. And there was a few
other people in the complex that were friendly, and so
the couple struck up conversations with these people, as young
people do. They were all chatting it up, and then
later in the evening, before the couple would turn in
for the night, they actually would spend a lot of

(08:24):
time with some of these newfound friends in the complex.
So after they spent that time and it got late,
they go inside and Bobby plopped down on the couch
and decided that he wanted to watch some TV while
Kristin went to go do her girly thing and get
ready for bed. So when she was done, she climbed
into their bed and she fell asleep before Bobby ever

(08:48):
came back into the bedroom. Now, truth be told, Bobby
had fallen asleep on the couch in the other room
and he wasn't getting up. He was out like a
light a guy. He was done. He was going to
be sleeping on the couch, and everyone who was anyone
that knew them knew that once Bobby's eyes closed, that
dude was down for the night. You were not getting
him back up, and he was cutting some major z's

(09:10):
at this point. He was out. So the next morning,
Bobby and Kristin slept in and Bobby would get up
at about eleven am and slowly kind of stretch and
make his way off the couch, and Kristin must have
been sleeping in because she wasn't up yet and milling
around and doing whatever in the apartment. So through tired eyes,
Bobby got up and he kind of shuffled his way

(09:32):
back towards their room, and when he turned, he stopped
dead in his tracks because when he looked, he was
stunned to see Kristin was laid out on their bedroom floor.
She was undressed, and she was not asleep, very clearly
not asleep. She looked like she had been in a
damn car wreck. She was beaten to absolute hell and back.

(09:55):
She was bloody, and she was not moving. So Bobby,
for a second, stun just stands there and he's looking around.
He's alarmed, he's confused, you know, what the fuck is
going on? What is wrong Kristin? Kristin and he runs
over to her. My god, so he drops down and
he's trying to wake her up, but she was well
beyond any medical help that he could give. She was done, y'all.

(10:19):
She had been just destroyed in this apartment. So Bobby
gets up and he runs to get the phone to
call for police, and they show up indeed to find
Kristin's lifeless body dead on the apartment floor. So Bobby
is now just stunned. He's speechless. I mean, can you

(10:41):
imagine walking in on that and completely just taken, just
completely taken aback what happened here. He was in complete
shock that this was even real life, and he just
kept thinking, this is not real, This is not real.
I'm gonna wake up. This is not real. But it was.
It was absolutely real. So the coroner would be called

(11:05):
and Bobby would be removed from the home because the
crime scene investigators had to process the scene. And after
they did their job, her body was loaded onto a
stretcher and it was rolled out of the apartment in
front of everybody, and Bobby just had to watch the
love of his life under a blanket be rolled to

(11:26):
a van. But they had just had a party, they
had just been celebrating all of the excitement of young
newness and firsts and now she's in a corner's van.
It can't be, but it was. So the obvious question
on the minds of detectives was who all was in

(11:48):
the house, and the answer was just us. It was
just us two. There's nobody else here. We were going
to bed. We went to bed. Nobody else was here. So,
as you can imagine, when Bobby says this, eyebrows kind
of raised, so you're saying it was just you too.
And Bobby swore up and down he didn't know what happened.

(12:11):
She was fine when they went to bed, but now
she was beaten to death. So okay, detectives are kind
of mulling this over. Okay, your girlfriend is dead, clearly
beaten brutally to death, and now the boyfriend is claiming
that he heard nothing, he saw nothing, and Bobby is

(12:34):
just saying, yes, I'm telling you, I'm telling you, I
don't know what happened. So they asked him, well, what
do you think happened. His answer was, I have no clue.
Somebody killed her. I have no clue. I can't tell
you anything. And you can imagine the frustration because it's
it sounds crazy. Okay, So you're saying someone must have

(12:58):
come in the middle of the night into your apartment
and killed your girlfriend and then left without you hearing
a thing. That's the story you're giving us right now.
And he says, yes, So does this sound at all
ridiculous to anybody else, because the detectives certainly thought it
sounded plumb ridiculous. That doesn't make any sense. So it

(13:22):
seems like the worst lie of all time is being told,
and it's really really hard to believe. So police would
need a total recount of everything that they did the
night before. You got to lay it out for us, Bobby.
You got to lay it out, minute by minute what
happened here, because this is something that we're really having
a hard time wrapping our brains around. So Bobby said, Look,

(13:44):
we were together all day. We had planned to have
this party at the apartment. People came, people left. After
they left, we went to bed. I fell asleep on
the couch. Kristen fell asleep in the bed. I woke
up to this. Did anyone get in a fight during
the party.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
No?

Speaker 1 (14:00):
Did you and Kristen maybe have a disagreement at any
point in that night. No, Okay, have there been any
jealousy issues or anything of that nature. And he's like no,
and they're like, okay, but you're sleeping on the couch
and she's in the bed, So why why were you
on the couch? You sure there weren't any problems? And
he says no, Well why wouldn't y'all go to sleep together? Then?

(14:24):
And his answers really, no matter how they asked the questions,
the answers were really because that's just the way it went.
That's just what happened. I mean, I can't I don't
have a reason. I laid down on the couch, I
fell asleep. She went to bed, like, there's nothing more
to it. So this really wasn't helping much. All right, Well,
they move on. Were there any strangers at the party

(14:46):
or anyone that you didn't know that was there? And
this is when Bobby explained, No, the party was great.
Everything was fine. After the party. We did hang out
a bit with some new people around the apartment complex.
But other than this, I mean, it was just casual talking.
There was no craziness to it, and we didn't leave,
we didn't go clubbing. We didn't go do anything. We

(15:09):
stayed at the apartment. All right, we'll talk to us
about the people that you were hanging out with. He says, Well,
one of the guys that we did meet at the
apartment complex, his name was Travis. He was a super
likable guy. I mean, I didn't know him before that night.
We kind of met him, but we liked him a lot.
I mean, we did continue to chat and hang out
with him later in the night, compared to everybody else.

(15:32):
And police say, oh, so there's a Travis guy. Yeah, yeah,
there is. Okay, Well what's his last name? And Bobby says,
I don't know Travis, a guy we met. Okay, Well,
tell us more, and he says, but later that evening,
Travis was ready to go home, and you know, we're
nice people. So me and Kristen we offered, look, we'll

(15:54):
give you a ride to your apartment, and he gladly
accepted that ride, and we were just saving him a
long walk. All right, we'll tell us about that then,
So he says, Look, this guy lived in a completely
different complex, but it was no big deal. He jumped
in the car, we drove him there, he got out,
we waved goodbye to our new friend. And you know,
we thought, golly, what a nice guy. Maybe we hit

(16:14):
the jackpot. We've made a good friend here. And while
we drove we chatted. On our way back home, we
chatted and said, gosh, you know, what a great party.
It was just general talk. There was nothing out of
the ordinary. But it was really really late by that point.
So when we got back to the apartment, like I said,
we went inside. I went to the couch, she went

(16:35):
to bed, and then I woke up and she was dead.
That's it. Well, based on the coroner's report of Kristen's condition,
this seemed so unlikely that her murder went without anyone
noticing or hearing. That is just bold of a statement
to make, because Kristin had been viciously beaten. It wasn't

(16:59):
like she got cracked over the head with a baseball
bat knocked out. No, this was like, I don't want
to say hand to hand combat, but this was a
struggle for life or death and she lost. So there,
she's viciously beaten. She had suffered blunt force trauma. And
I want to tell you how serious this beating was. Okay,
it was so brutal that her liver was literally torn.

(17:22):
She had a rip in her liver. To tear a liver,
just for your perspective, your seal know, it takes an
extraordinary level of force to rip someone's liver. So usually
this is seen as the result of something like a
car crash or something with an extreme amount of exchanges

(17:42):
of forces. You know, that mechanism of injury is usually
very powerful. But that wasn't the case here because she
wasn't in a car wreck. Her abdomen was full of blood.
It filled basically as she bled internally while she was
being beaten to death, and so her her stomach just

(18:03):
filled with the blood internal bleeding while she was trying
to fight, and she had over a leader of pulled
blood in her stomach. But not only had she been
brutalized at such force, but she had also been viciously
raped a violent rape. Swabs had been taken, they did
the rape test kit, and they were trying to get

(18:24):
any possible DNA from her. But I want to point
this out. If you live with someone and you're in
a you know, a sexual relationship, DNA would have been expected, correct,
I mean, if you're married, if someone did a vaginal
swab of you, you would expect that the spouse would be
the person whose DNA you would find, so that wouldn't
have necessarily been shocking. But regardless, the vaginal swabs were taken,

(18:47):
nail clippings were taken, which is standard practice, and her
life would be ultimately ended by the literal hands of
her killer because she was strangled to death. The bruising
around her neck proof that hands were put around her neck,
her airway constricted, and that the life was literally choked

(19:10):
out of this girl. So this was a rage filled
event too, because it left hemorrhaging within her neck and
one of her neck bones was actually broken in the process.
Usually that's your hyoid bone that you'll see that's broken
during a strangulation, but she had a broken neck bone. Okay,
so you can tell that this was insane amount of

(19:32):
force put on her. But while the strangulation was what
ultimately or what killed her immediately, the coroner's report was
very clear that she would have certainly eventually died as
a result of the trauma to her body and especially
her stomach filling with that blood if she did not
get immediate medical care. And even with immediate medical care,

(19:55):
it would have been it probably would have been life ending.
Not wanting to get tunnel vision and only focused on
the obvious, detectives did canvass the area and look for
any possible suspects that may have been, you know, around,
and this included that supposed travisman that Bobby claimed to

(20:15):
have given a ride to. The thing is, Bobby could
give details about what this man looked like, and he
was able to give specifics about where he dropped this
Travis guy off. So police played along and they gathered
all of the information that Bobby would give. In the meantime,

(20:37):
words spread about the murder and people were really taken
a backt that that that Kristen had been the victim
of a murder. She just was not a person you
expected this from. And I hate to say that, but
she didn't live high risk lifestyle. She didn't partake in
in you know, thugging it, loving it or anything like that.

(20:59):
So this was just mind blowing. And certainly all people
who knew them said, there's no way Bobby did this,
no way. They were too in love for that. It
was this cannot be Everybody agreed that that couldn't be
the case, and people who knew him when they were
people who really knew them. Okay, the couple when they

(21:21):
were questioned, they all vouched for Bobby on one thing.
Bobby was a notoriously heavy sleeper, and nothing other than
a briggin bomb dropping would wake this dude up. It
was actually almost kind of like a running joke almost
amongst friends and family that you can't wake Bobby up

(21:43):
he is sleeping. So police really sat back on this
information because when everybody's vouching that you're a heavy sleeper, hmm,
there might actually be something to this. Maybe it was possible.
Maybe it was I mean crazier things, and maybe he
did sleep through the brutal murder and rape of his
girlfriend just a room over. You know, I don't know.

(22:06):
And a detective's job is to look at everything. A
good detective tunnel vision's never a good thing. So what
did this Travis guy look like? Well, Bobby's description of
him was that he was a blackmail. He believed him
to be in his late twenties to early thirties. He
was tall, He was somewhere around six' one six y
two and about two hundred. Pounds that was his best.
Guess But that's when a neighbor came. Forward and this

(22:29):
neighbor had some. Information AND i KNOW i say this a,
lot but never discount your neighbors because they know more
than you ever would. Think but assess yourself right, now
just as a, listener real, quick assess. Yourself think about
where you. Live can how much could you tell me
about the people that live around. YOU i can tell
you where they, WORK i can tell you what they,
DRIVE i can tell you what time they typically come.

(22:51):
HOME i can even tell you what they do On saturday.
Mornings because we're creatures of habit and you're just used
to seeing the things that go. On, well this, neighbor
even though the couple had just moved, in this neighbor
was paying attention and had been up late that night
that same night as the. Party and this neighbor was

(23:11):
outside late late late the very night That kristin was,
murdered and as, such she was casually just. OUTSIDE i
don't know if she was catching a cigarette or. Not,
whatever she was outside and she saw someone go into
the apartment Of kristen And, bobby and this neighbor was
clear that it was Not kristin Or. Bobby, huh and

(23:35):
the time that this neighbor said she saw someone go
in it actually aligned with the belief time of When
kristin would have been. Murdered but that doesn't mean that
this someone wasn't. Necessary this person could have been in
cahoots With bobby and possibly giving a cover. Story right this.
Neighbor we don't know the. Relationship, hell maybe the neighbor
was having an affair With. BOBBY i, mean anything at

(23:57):
this point is open for trying to figure it out,
out but it had to be. Considered the neighbor said
it with no prompting that they that she saw somebody
and then they, said, okay well can you describe this
person to? Us and the neighbor's description was almost spot
on With bobby's identical other than the neighbor added that

(24:18):
the person who win had on a baseball. Cap so
investigating people of that complex That travis was brought to that,
night so the one that was supposedly they drove to
and dropped this guy, off investigators did find that a
man was there or lived, there and his name Was Travis.

(24:38):
Green looking At Travis, green he also fit the description
given by Both bobby and that neighbor but let's just
be completely honest. Here the description that they gave wasn't
something like completely unique in what they, SAID i mean
a black mail two hundred, pounds six foot. ONE i,

(24:59):
mean go walk in a store, today you'll see. That
so they wanted to be, sure so that you, know
that's why they were the detectives were checking in on.
This BUT i, mean what dumb luck to be Named
travis and live in the apartment complex where supposedly they
dropped off a. Guy So, travis this real. Guy he

(25:20):
wasn't exactly the most successful person in the. Community he
was not, educated he had dropped out of high school
in the tenth. Grade he did not maintain steady. Employment,
now he was originally From, Shreveport, louisiana and he has
the typical story of an impoverished childhood full of family,
dysfunction and it just led to a basic failure to

(25:42):
launch situation for an. Adult they never really went. Anywhere
So travis's criminal history was also checked because they wanted
to see this guy, problematic because just because you're uneducated
and you don't have a great job doesn't mean that
you're a. Criminal but this guy. Was he did have
a criminal, record and his record when they reviewed it
wasn't really something that seemed like a person That kristen

(26:06):
And bobby would have hung. Around, okay because this guy
had actually done legit prison time, before not a little
county jail we don't even have county, parish not a
little jail, time prison. Time you. Know he had been
given a five year sentence In Harris, county which is another,

(26:26):
state for unauthorized use of a motor vehicle and theft by.
Receiving so, basically he took somebody's car without their, permission
and he kept it longer than he was supposed. To
and during that he also was in possession of stolen,
items and those stolen items he should have known were
stolen when he bought them from someone else or whenever

(26:49):
he was giving them to someone. Else that's basically what
those charges.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
Mean.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
Okay but he had been released early on parole from
prison In november of nineteen eighty, nine but few years,
later In march of nineteen ninety, three his parole had
been revoked because he earned himself and aggravated assault charge
and that landed him a seven year. Sentence again he made.

(27:15):
Parole this would have been In may of nineteen ninety,
eight so he was released early and he would remain
on parole monitoring Until may of nineteen ninety, nine when
he completed his parole. Requirements, well i'll tell you, This
i'm not a fan of that. Personally so many chances
were given to this guy and he continued to, reoffend

(27:35):
yet he continued to make. PAROLE i just irrelevant of this.
CASE i don't like. That that's. Stupid you, know they
don't obviously. Learn but just because he had been given
multiple chances and acted like an, idiot that didn't mean
that he necessarily did anything To. Kristen he could just
be an unlucky match to a name and a general.
Description SO i want to point something else out, though

(27:59):
and investigators considered. This he had only been out released
off of parole for four months When Kristin losch was.
Murdered you, know what are the chances you've only been
out and not monitored for four months and then you're
already being possibly implicated in a girl's. Murder whatever the case.

(28:24):
Is you don't make good, decisions and the parole board
shame on them on this. One shame on. Them but
either way so the police were, curious why would these
two people have even crossed paths with this? Guy they don't,
Jive so upon further, questioning it started to make sense
that this actually could possibly be. True so While bobby

(28:49):
And kristen were good people by all, accounts they still
had their vices. Marijuana being one of them college kids smoking,
Weed shocker, said no one, ever AM i? Right? Well
wanting to find some weed that, Night bobby would then tell, investigators,

(29:11):
look we were trying to score some, weed, Okay bobby.
Explained that's when they saw This travis guy outside of
the apartment complex riding his, bike so he didn't actually
live in their. Complex he was kind of tooling around
on his bike outside and they just kind of hit
him up and were, like, hey do you know where
we can get some? Weed And travis, said, yeah sure,

(29:31):
do and he was able to go get it bring
it back to, Them so weed in, hand the three
of them had continued to hang out all. Night they
even rollerbladed at one point in the parking lot right
outside the, apartment drank some, beer hung, out but it
was very, kosher other than you, know, hey if you smoke,
weed this ain't. Nothing at, all, okay but if you don't,

(29:53):
Whatever but it was. Not there was nothing violent or
horrible going on this, night and So travis And kristen
smoked the weed. Together bobby uh did not partake in,
it from What i'm. Understanding and at the end of the,
Hangout travis said he lived with his brother at a
nearby apartment, complex and that's why they gave him the ride.
Back and they even mentioned To travis that they were

(30:14):
supposed to be planning a barbecue, soon but they didn't
own a barbecue, pit and so they were going to
have to go get. One now that would matter in
just a. Minute but that was, it, Okay once all
of that came, Forward, okay some weed was, involved all, right. Whatever,
well another neighbor in the apartment complex would contact police

(30:37):
and she would specifically mention that she saw a man
go into their apartment about seven point thirty in the,
morning and she added something. Else she added that there
was now a barbecue pit outside of the patio gate
of the, apartment and the reason that she noticed it
is because the day before it hadn't been. There so

(30:58):
this information obviously now was aligning with What bobby had.
Said because he was the one who mentioned the barbecue
and that they had to go get a barbecue. Pit
so at this, point police created a photo lineup of
men that looked similar To travis as well As travis
being in, it and when they showed that lineup To,
bobby he instantly pointed To Travis. Green, wow you know

(31:24):
this was really looking to actually be. Real So bobby
really may have slept through the brutal rape and murder
of his. Girlfriend but if she was, RAPED dna would be. Found.
Right everyone was waiting for the results from that rape
test kit to come, back but that would take. Time
remember this is the. Nineties that's gonna take some. Time

(31:46):
they would NEED dna to compare it against two if
they were to come back with a positive result for HAVING.
Dna so police took samples From. Bobby, now it Was
september tenth When houston detectives Interviewed Travis green regarding his
knowledge and whereabouts in relation to the murder Of Kristin.

(32:07):
Loach but of course he didn't give up much. Information
he didn't like the, police he'd been to. Prison he
wasn't gonna be. Helpful so you can imagine he's not
a fan of law enforcement and he didn't want to
voluntarily insert himself in any, way shape or form in this.
Case but after his chat with police and the feeling

(32:27):
that pressure was being applied to, Him travis got spooked
and he decided he wanted no part of. This so
he hit the road and he made his way down
the interstate a few hours To Baton, Rouge, louisiana and
he remained In Baton rouge for about three to four
days before he returned back home To. Texas and when he,

(32:50):
did detectives surprised him at. Home, Hey, bud we need
to borrow something from, you and what we need is
A dna swap from your, cheek and they, did in
fact get THAT dna swap from. Him, Now kristen's rape
test kit results would come back positive FOR dna on her.

(33:11):
Shirt there was semen and blood, collected as well as
semen found in her vaginal. Vault her nails were proof
that there had been a horrendous struggle and they were
able to collect MALE dna from underneath those nails because
she was scratching and clawing during this, attack trying to
save her. Life when THE dna comparison testing was, Done

(33:35):
Travis green was positively identified as the rapist and murderer
Of Kristin. Loche he was promptly arrested and charged with her.
Murder well On september the, Twentieth Travis green decided to represent.
Himself he wanted to represent himself in front of The

(33:58):
Honorable Judge Johnson, court where he was ultimately found guilty
and handed down a sentence of. Death and now you're
listening to this, podcast, going, Wow, jennings that's a really
short episode, here. Girl, well y'all better quit playing with.
Me quit playing with, me because you Know i'm going to.
Deliver but it's going to take twenty years for me

(34:22):
to be able to. Deliver but lucky for, y'all it's
already been that twenty years And i'm here for. It
you ready for? THIS i don't think you. Are Travis
green was now sitting on death row For kristen's murder In.
Texas while he's on death, row he spent his time

(34:43):
filing appeals to his, sentencing and also he was angering
other inmates due to his constant masturbation in front of.
Them so he had a history of doing this type
of shit even in the, jails he would openly in
these doors ms master bait in front of the other
inmates who wanted to beat his ass because, like what
the fuck are you? Doing? Bro like even it behind jail,

(35:05):
bars you, know like like there's a you, know a
decorum in a. Way nobody wants to be around. That
and his mental health had been in decline for. Years,
okay so there was there was documentation of this because
while he was, incarcerated and y'all hang with, me Because
i'm about to get. Somewhere it's gonna blow your. Mind
but while he was, incarcerated doctors would diagnose him as

(35:26):
a schizophrenic with bouts of paranoia and. Delusions, well because of,
this the appeals that he was making on death, row
those would center around whether he should have been allowed
to represent himself in court originally because of his mental,
illness because y'all's there's two types of. People there's people
that think they're smarter than everybody and that they're gonna

(35:47):
go represent, themselves and you know they're gonna lose because
you're not an. Attorney you don't know the rules of
law and all that kind of. Stuff, well when you
go to court on a death penalty eligible, case there's
gonna be a lot more considered there because even if
you hired attorneys for, you those attorneys have to have
death penalty case experience to be able to represent you

(36:10):
because so much is at, stake, Right, well he opted
whenever he went to represent himself that he wanted to represent.
Himself he was, adamant but he. Didn't he didn't sign
off to get rid of the. Representation so there were attorneys,
there but he was like his own lead. Counsel if
that makes. Sense, now if you're an, Attorney i'm sure

(36:31):
there's better wording for, that But i'm not here to
preach the. Law but in a, nutshell the argument of
the experts centered around when when did his mental illness
really take hold of, him because that would. Matter so
based on my, understanding people with this type of schizophrenic
paranoia and all that kind of, stuff their disorders tend

(36:55):
to be diagnosed after, onset so it's not immediately usually,
diagnosed it's usually, afterwards and there's an average delay of
about ten years from the onset of, symptoms all, Right so,
meaning for, example if symptoms were showing up in a
ten year, old they usually are not going to be,

(37:15):
diagnosed at least at that point in the. Nineties they
wouldn't be diagnosed until they were around twenty years, old
if that makes. Sense SO i read tons of documentation
on this trial and the appeals and. EVERYTHING i think
it was like something like sixty five pages THAT i
read on just one appeal. Alone and it does seem
that there is a legitimate argument for a mental case.

(37:36):
Here things like when he was in court representing, himself
he would start undressing in front of the, jury and
they'd have to stop, court pull him, out make him
get dressed, again calm him, down and then bring him back.
In and he's supposed to be representing. Himself he would
talk out of turn in. Court he would make no.
Sense and WHEN i say make no, Sense i'm talking

(37:58):
about he. Would and this was according to multiple. People,
okay he. Would he would talk to, himself and he
would talk to a third party that wasn't even. There
he was having a. Conversation and so he was claiming
that THE fbi was after him and that they had
implanted a device in. Him he was adamant that gas

(38:21):
was being blown into his cell and that the government
was trying to kill, him just some really wax. Stuff
but while this was going, on many years would. Pass,
okay while all of this, this, uh these appeals and
arguments were being put, in, well the courts would find
that there was reasonable argument that he did have ineffective

(38:43):
counsel since he continued to represent himself with this crazy.
BEHAVIOR i have to. Agree, okay one more case in,
point there were no fingerprints lifted off Of Kristin losch's
body at the crime. Scene, none even the crime scene
investigators confirmed. This they got no fingerprints from around her. Neck,

(39:05):
well When travis would was standing up and arguing his
case in, court he was adamant that his seamen and
his fingerprints had been stolen from him by THE, cia
and that's why his prints were on her neck and
so there were no. PRINTS csi was even confirmed again

(39:26):
there were no fingerprints. Lifted yet he continued to belabor
the point waste the court's time and was adamant his
fingerprints were on her neck even though they. Weren't, like
there's so much MORE i could tell you about this
kind of. Stuff it would bore you unless you're a
court nerd like. Me but a lot here was going
on but the thing was, This travis refused to speak

(39:46):
or work with his, counsel so their hands were tied a,
bit and this whole thing just became a total shit. Show,
okay but these appeals would keep him busy while, detectives,
well they were, very very busy then themselves back In Baton, Rouge.
Louisiana and here is where all of my listeners are gonna.

(40:08):
About they're gonna have their eyebrows, raise because, see some years,
later in the early two, thousands there were three serial
killers running simultaneously around The Baton rouge area and women
were being killed one after the. Other AND i know
this name is gonna sound, Familiar Derek. Toddley that should

(40:30):
be ringing a bell right now if you've been listening
for a hot. Minute and he was one of those serial.
Killers when this was all going, on and in the
midst of the, killings police were trying to sort a
lot out who was killing who and. Why you've got
three serial, killers women being slaughtered and police are trying

(40:51):
to figure out who's doing. What, well many of these
murders took place right here near LSU's. Campus women in
the area were. Terrified the city was in full, pandemonium
and the killers were running. Rampant no one knew who
would be, next and no one knew where they would strike.
Again it really was. Terrifying multiple women at this point

(41:12):
in the story That i'm telling had already been, killed
and locals from my, area they're going to recognize these names,
instantly names Like Gina Wilson, Green Pam, Kennimore Charlotte Murray.
Pace if you are From, louisiana you'll know those. Names
if you're, not it's, okay you don't need. To but
they're important. People but it won't affect the outcome of this.
Story but all of those names should be very. Familiar

(41:36):
BUT i want to tell you another. Name this would
be nineteen year Old Cassie, federer and she was here
right in the midst of the killing chaos back. Then
she was originally From Tangipahoa parish and she had started
her college career At Southeastern Louisiana. University shout. OUT i
Know i've got Some southeastern students that are, listening BECAUSE

(41:56):
i visited with them a few weeks ago and gave
a lecture to them and had a great. Time but
she had transferred From southeastern TO lsu And Baton. Rouge
so While southeastern was closer to home for, Her elisu
was only roughly an hour's drive. Away so she was
far enough away to be quote unquote on her, own
but she was close enough that her parents could get

(42:18):
to her quickly if there was an. Emergency it was
a perfect balance for both the parent and the child
stepping out on their. Own, Now cassie was one of four,
children but being a, daughter you know how that, is
meant she held a special place in her daddy's. Heart
daddies loved their little girls And cassie with her beautiful
hazel eyes shiny brown. Hair she grew up loving. Ballet

(42:44):
she danced for many many, years very, elegant and her
confidence that she gained from dancing it showed up in
every single aspect of her. Life she was just as
strong willed as she was. Sweet and she lived On
Park boulevard in an apartment that overlooked the City Brooks
park and this is just off of The dalrymple exit

(43:06):
if you're. Local so her parents.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
Were just more and more proud of her with every
move in life she, made and her decision to pursue
a degree in psychology AT lsu was just.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
Amazing it was. Perfect they were happy for one, thing.
Though cassie did not live, alone thank, goodness and she
shared the apartment that she lived in with another female
student and now good, Friend Kate. Gidrey so the two
girls had met back in the spring of nineteen ninety
nine because they had been randomly assigned as roommates in a.

(43:40):
Dorm but they decided that they were going to go
get their apartment together off campus after that spring semester had.
Ended they just hit it off and their friendship was.
Real so the morning Of september thirteenth of nineteen ninety,
nine it was like any other day in the lives
of the. Girls kate got up and she left their.
Apartment she had to go run some errands for the,

(44:00):
day And cassie she was already at school Whenever kate
left to go run her, errands But cassie would be
returning later that day and she was expected to be
home sometime around FOUR. Pm now she was really really
looking forward to her upcoming. Birthday it was just in
a few. Days she was going to be the big two,
zero almost legally old enough to DRINK i guess, almost

(44:25):
but she was going to be twenty and she did
not have a steady. Boyfriend but she wentn't against casual.
Dating here and. There she went out a few, times
and that didn't, mean, though that she was, alone because
there was always a, very very handsome fellow waiting anxiously
for her to get home each. Day and his name Was. Freckles,

(44:51):
yes Mister freckles was a girl's best. Friend to the,
world he may have just been a Cocker, spaniel but
To cassie he was her baby and a constant companion
who never left her. Side and she would have loved
to just veg out all day and snuggle with her.
Buddy but first duty, called so she had gone to

(45:14):
school and then she was supposed to go work a
shift At eckerd's that, afternoon which is an old school
drug store that we used to have and it wasn't
far from her. Home she was a great, employee, prompt,
dependable but before heading to, work she needed to go
buy the, house change her, clothes take out the. Trash
she had a few house chores that she needed to.

(45:35):
Do so it was a little after four pm when
a woman who lived in the same apartment, complex was
sitting on the couch and got the scare of a.
Lifetime out of. Nowhere shots began firing out at the apartment,
complex and a stray bullet came whizzing straight through her,

(45:57):
wall right through the sheet, rock and asked. Her so she's,
Terrified oh my, god someone's shooting in the, building and
so she. Dropped she took, cover but just as fast
as it, happened it was. Over unsure of exactly what to,
think it terrified, her and she stayed put until her

(46:17):
husband returned. Home and as soon as he got, home
she was, like oh my, god listen what just. Happened
so he gets this story from his wife and he's,
like holy, hell and so he runs outside and he
starts just looking around to see what he could see
and why the hell was someone shooting through our. Apartment
and that's whenever he noticed that the neighbors next, Door

(46:37):
kate And, cassie their door was, open so he did
not go, inside but the condition of their apartment door
made him immediately begin to audibly. Pray he was a religious,
man and just looking at that door made him break
out into immediate. Prayer he knew something was very, wrong

(47:00):
and right after the amen he contacted their apartment manager
and explained what he was told by his wife and
about the neighbor's girl next door being. Open so alarmed by,
this the manager reported immediately down to the units and couldn't,
help but notice that the door had been forcibly. Entered

(47:21):
it had been busted, through like dead bolt shattered. Through
this was not like they left their door open on.
Accident so the manager went up to the door and
he called out for the, girls but neither one of
them answered. Back so he did enter the apartment and
he found that the apartment was in normal. Condition there

(47:44):
was no robbery or anything that he could. Tell it wasn't.
Ransacked it just looked like a, normal everyday. Apartment so
he did continue to call out and no answer until
he made it to the end of the hall and
he looked into a bed and there he's shocked to
See cassie lying on the floor and she's bleeding. Out

(48:07):
so the manager ran called nine to one one and, fire, police,
medical everybody all rushed to the scene to try and
give her some. Assistance so upon, arrival they did Locate
cassie in that back, bedroom but no medical assistance would be.
Needed because it had now been an hour or nearly
an hour since the original shooting took, place And cassie

(48:30):
was already, dead there was nothing they could do for.
Her so as the crime scene tape was wrapped around
the apartment and it was secured for the homicide detectives
to get, there Roommate kate returned from running errands to
see this chaos and she had no clue what was.
Happening so as she realized it was her apartment taped,

(48:53):
off she goes running up trying to Find cassie to
ask her what, happened what's going? On but as she
got up to the, officers she was, Stopped i'm, sorry
you can't go in. Here this is a crime, scene
and she, said, no this is my, apartment my. ROOMMATE
i need to talk to my. ROOMMATE i don't know
what's going on, here and that's when she was, informed,
MA'AM i don't know how to tell you, this but

(49:15):
there is a deceased female inside your. Apartment so she's just,
stunned absolute. Disbelief what do you Mean cassie's not in.
There cassie's not, dead she's, young she's, healthy she doesn't cause.
Trouble cassie's not in my. Apartment, no she's. NOT i
want to talk to, her but that wouldn't be the.

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Case police would gently pull her to the side and
start talking to the roommate as they were scouring that
apartment as. Well now the scene would tell a story
of an absolute ambush that lasted just, seconds but would
be devastatingly Fatal in horrible situations like, these it's uncommon

(50:01):
THAT i get to give a silver lining in any.
Way but there was one thing in that, bedroom with
the lights on and the fan swirling THAT i will tell.
You there is a, small, thin barely visible silver. Lining

(50:23):
it's barely, there, y'all but it's there because when detectives
Entered cassie's room to begin their, investigation they found that
there was actually another soul in the home who remained
By cassie's side the entire. Time, scared, shaking but unwavering

(50:45):
in his, Loyalty Little freckles stood steadfast protecting his lifeless.
Girl they weren't getting near. Her he wasn't, vicious he wasn't,
angry but he was, scared and he Knew cassie needed him,
there she would want him, There and in a moment like,

(51:05):
THIS i can't help but appreciate that pup because the
reality is That cassie did not die. Alone she had
her best friend with her until she took her last.
Breath And i'm going to honor. That it's a testament
to an animal and their loyalty to the person who

(51:29):
loved them so very. Much, So freckles was gently removed
from the, room and then the forensic investigation. Began now
there were holes in the sheet, rock multiple, holes which
indicated that whomever had done this has shot her at
her over and, over but the apartment was. Intact there

(51:50):
was no, robbery is what police. Found so what was
the motive? Then BECAUSE i know what you're likely thinking right,
now you, know, oh, well obviously she was, raised But
cassie was completely. Clothed rape was ruled out as a
possible motive very. Quickly the only thing missing from the

(52:10):
scene was her book sack full of school. Books the
only thing added to the scene was a random glove
that detectives did show Roommate, kate and she didn't recognize,
it but she knew that it Wasn't Cassie's she had
never seen that before the glove was documented and processed into.

(52:32):
Evidence now keep following me. HERE i know you're, like
why is she telling us two different? Stories keep following,
me because all in all this case was rather they're
just rather. Puzzling it didn't make. Sense why had she been?
Shot if you're not gonna rob her and you're not
gonna rape, her why'd you kill? Her they looked into.

(52:53):
This there were no known enemies That cassie, had she
did not live a high risk, lifestyle, Nothing so the
apartment was. Organized the only sign of the attack was
the smashed front door And. Cassie of, course it just
didn't make any. Sense so based on everything, scene it
looked Like cassie came home and when she went made

(53:16):
it into the, apartment she locked the, door including the dead,
bolt once, inside and then someone kicked in the, door shattering,
it which at that Point cassie was scared and. Alarmed
on my, god someone's coming. In she took, off running
towards her. Room she was able to grab her phone
assumingly to dial nine one one because it did lay
next to her on the floor when they were processing the,

(53:38):
scene But she couldn't make the call because she was chased,
down running for her, life but with nowhere to go
but to the back of the. Apartment she was trapped
and a stray. Bullet she's being shot at while this
guy who she doesn't know is chasing her through the.
Apartment it's just horrifying for me to think. Of but
a stray bullet went through the sheet, rock scaring the.

(53:59):
Neighbors cassie then took around to her side before collapsing
in her bedroom where she would bleed. Out there was
no physical struggle at any point with her. Assailant he
just chased her, down shot at her multiple, times struck,
her and she fell mortally wounded and. Died it's odd,

(54:24):
money sex and revenge those are the common themes and.
Murder cassie wasn't, rich she didn't owe anybody, money there
was no. Robbery money wasn't a. Motive cassie wasn't dating,
anyone and she wasn't. Raped sex was not the. Motive
cassie had no, enemies she wasn't currently fighting with. Anybody

(54:48):
revenge was not the. Motive so what's? Left detectives are
just looking at each other LIKE i don't where do
we even go from? Here but police would continue to
work this. Case, yeah but it would go unsolved And
i'm talking for. Years Even America's Most wanted featured her
case on their. Show that's, huge but nothing came of.

(55:10):
It police chased down any, leads including a man who
had supposedly told police or told other people that he Killed.
Cassie he was telling, FRIENDS i killed, HER i killed. Her,
well this guy had a home In Denham, springs so
the police even came, here they searched, it they got a.
Warrant it led to. Nothing some people at the apartment

(55:31):
complex back Where cassie, lived they said they saw a
man around the apartments the time That cassie was, murdered
around that, time and they even created a sketch of,
him but it brought no. LEADS i, mean this has
to be so frustrating if you're working this case like
you're not, incompetent you just have no. Leads so more
years would, pass so many so that the detectives who

(55:54):
originally worked that case they were. TIRED i, mean this is.
Unbelievable Poor cassie's, parents they just had to go through
this devastation of losing their daughter and then nobody being held.
Accountable who runs in and shoots a twenty year old
girl going to college and then the police can't solve.
IT i, mean that's just got to be. Disgusting someone's

(56:17):
walked free now all these. Years so her parents now
gave up hope they would ever be. Solved they just
had to chalk it up to the fact that someone
stole their, daughter stole, her and nobody knew, who and
they were continuing to walk the. Streets the tragedy of no,

(56:38):
closure no, answers no, nothing just total loss all the
way around is SOMETHING i don't wish on my worst.
ENEMY i don't wish that on. Anybody so as the years,
passed more and more women Like cassie would be, murdered
and the police wondered if she was the original victim

(56:59):
of a serial Care remember there were three in The
Baton rouge area killing women at this exact same. Time
but time continued to, pass and LIKE i told, you
twenty years would go. By cassie's. Grandparents they would die
without any answers as to what happened to their precious.

(57:20):
Granddaughter her daddy and her mama would keep photos of her,
up frozen in time forever, nineteen still no answers her
brothers they would grow up and get, married and the
hole in the family photos on that special, day it's
Obvious cassie's not. Here you can't escape. It it's in

(57:43):
everything they. Do cassie's, daddy Mister, warren he just felt
the gut punch over and over of knowing he would
never get to walk his baby girl down the aisle
for her special. Day every, event every good it's supposed
to be good event in their, life has this gut

(58:05):
punch on the other end of it That cassie didn't
get to do. It but a daddy doesn't. Forget twenty
years means nothing to a, daddy And cassie may have been,
gone but she was not forgotten by her. Parents and
on her twenty first, birthday her daddy even brought two

(58:26):
beers with him to her, gravesite her first legal. Drink
he cracked one open and he sat down and he
drank it there with, her leaving one on her. Headstone
he wanted her to get to have her first legal,
drink and he didn't. Forget more time kept passing sweet.

(58:50):
Freckles he eventually would pass, away and he was so
special to her that her family had Little freckles cremated
and they even laid his ashes rest right next to.
Her but while the wheels of justice turn, slow they
do still, turn and advancements in science technology would pay.

(59:11):
Off the glove that was collected from the scene Of
cassie's murder did CONTAIN, dna which was entered into the
NOW dna database known AS cotis and run for possible,
matches and, surprisingly amazingly and, unbelievably nearly twenty years After cassie's,

(59:34):
murder the system would ring back with A dna. Match
everyone from The Louisiana State police to The Texas rangers
worked on this, case and the suspect's identity would surprise.
Everyone cassie was not killed by any of the serial.
Killers she was murdered by none other than the Current

(59:59):
Tes Death row, Inmate Travis. Green travis Murdered kristen In
texas and then he went on the run To Baton,
rouge and those few days that he was In Baton,
rouge he Murdered, cassie at which point he then turned
back around and drove back To. Texas two lives of

(01:00:23):
two young girls snuffed out just for his. Gratification While
cassie wasn't, raped it is believed that that was his
absolute intention until she saw his face and at that
point he chased her down and that's why he shot.
Her and he killed her because she would have been
able to identify. Him but because of the gunshots that he,

(01:00:47):
fired he knew he had to, run and so as
he turned out to, leave he just grabbed the booksacked
to steal it just for anything valuable that might be
inside it on his way, out but it had nothing in. It,
thankfully the case was, solved although it doesn't Bring cassie,
back and Since Travis green was already locked up until

(01:01:11):
the day he, dies the district attorney In Baton rouge
decided not to pursue a trial for the murder Of. Cassie,
however if he were ever to be released for any,
reason he would be detained and extradited back to ebr
for the charges In cassie's. Murder AND i get, this

(01:01:33):
there's no reason to do the trial and spend the
money when we know he did it and he's already
going to die In. TEXAS i get. It for the.
Family i'm sure that doesn't feel good because you want
it on, paper but it is solved and he'll never
walk free. Again but the thing is it costs two
young girls their. Lives Travis Dwight green is now currently

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fifty seven years old and he remains on death row In.
Texas his mental status while a constant question in the courts, today,
well what they realized is that it was not deemed
to be an issue back when he committed these. Murders
he may have declined in, prison but on the, streets
he was doing exactly what he wanted to. Do he

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wanted to have sex with these women without their, consent
and he wanted to steal their, shit and that's exactly
what he. Did he knew it was. Wrong that's why
he had to sneak in to rape and Kill. Christen
he knew it was, wrong and that's why he had
a gun when he kicked Down cassie's. Door he knew
it was, wrong and that's why he fled. Afterwards there's

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no question if he was too, crazy he would have,
stayed but he, didn't and he ran like a little.
Bitch AND i can only imagine where the women would
be today had the constant criminal been denied parole back
when they had. Him but we'll never, know will. We

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we believe in second, chances don't. We people screaming that
everyone deserves a second, Chance i'm gonna tell you you're, wrong
call me, jaded, Whatever but when you say second, chance
ALL i hear from experience is second countdown because someone
else's time is running out when it comes to these

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violent rapists and. Criminals that's ALL i. Hear and the
news these days calling these murders, shocking while the rest
of us are now starting to just call it A.
Wednesday it happens all the, time all too, often and
when it comes to people Like, travis he gets all
the benefits people fighting still to this day constantly for

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his supposedly violated rights when he chose and demanded to
be his own damn attorney who fought for these. Girls
if they had Written travis and appeal on, paper would
he have considered? There? Please, no he, Wouldn't so pardon
my bluntness WHENEVER i say enough is, Enough Because Travis

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green doesn't need an, Attorney he needs a damn execution.
Squad