Crime Wire Weekly 5/30/25 | Murderer Grant Hardin Escapes Arkansas Prison, Louisiana Woman Set’s Ex’s Boat on Fire, Kevin Costner Lawsuit - Unspeakable: A True Crime Podcast By Kelly Jennings

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Speaker 1 (00:10):
In South Carolina, eleven people are hurt during a fight
aboard a party barge Memorial Day weekend, and we got
all the details. In Arkansas, a former police chief serving
a thirty year prison sentence for rape and murder strolls
right out the front gates and is still on the run.

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In California, Kevin Kostner is facing a serious lawsuit after
a stunt woman claimed she was forced into a violent
rape scene while filming his upcoming blockbuster movie. We are
discussing these trending crime stories today on Crime Wire Weekly, and.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
I'm Jim Chapman and I'm Kelly Jennings.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
Kelly Jennings, you ain't in the studio with me today.

Speaker 3 (00:58):
I am not in a I'm in a filthy hotel
room that my children have destroyed. And we are having
the time of our lives on vacation. But as you know,
people want to hear their crime news. And so I
had to bring my laptop and my trustee headset and
microphone and I'm making it happen.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
Yes, yes, you are working while on vacation. You are.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
We got to do what we got to do. But
it's woman, it's fun, you know. We gotta. I appreciate
this work. I think it's fun, but we got to
let the kids have some fun.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
So they're sliding down water slides right now with the
husband and I'm in the hotel.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
Noom, there you got talking about crime.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
Look quickly, before we get in to it today, I
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Speaker 2 (02:45):
Sorry.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
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Speaker 1 (03:52):
Very good, very good. Well, speaking of awesome, we're going
to get into the news for today, the crime headline,
if you will, and right off the bat, I'm going
to tell you about a pretty wild one out of Arkansas.
The manhunt for Grant Harden continues. This escaped former Arkansas

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state police chief is serving a thirty year sentence for
murder and rape, and officials are actually entering the fourth
day of search efforts. Grant Harden, who is fifty six,
has been in prison since twenty seventeen for first degree
murder and rape. He escaped the Calico Rock North Central Unit.

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This was on Sunday at approximately two point fifty pm.
That day. Harden escaped custody through a sally port by
impersonating a corrections officer, and they stated that he impersonated
that officer in dress and manner, which caused another corrections
officer operating a secure gate to open the gate and

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allow Harden to walk away from the North Central Unit.
Now officials said during a presser on Wednesday that Harden
was not wearing an official uniform from the Department of
Corrections and it had to have been homemade or brought
in somehow. In their opinion, I would agree with that

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that's the only way he's going to get it right.
Surveillance footage shows Harden pulling a cart which was found
a band in outside the gates of the prison, and
as I said, he remains at large as of this recording,
with official saying during a press conference they are confident
he is still in the area of the prison. Official

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said citizens of Izard County and surrounding county should stay vigilant,
lock your house, your doors, and report any suspicious activity.
Called nine one one if you see, if you think
you see this guy, and the US Marshals are of
course assisting in the search efforts. Stone County Sheriff Brandon

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Long said, quote, I am very scared that this guy
is going to hurt or kill somebody before this is
over with now. Harden is the former police chief of Gateway, Arkansas.
He worked in the prison kitchen, but it is unclear
whether this job involved any access to the sally port
he used to escape. He had no significant disciplinary issues

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during his time at the prison, and there's no reason
to believe anyone aided him in the escape. As of yet.
Nathan Smith, the former Benton County prosecutor who helped put
Harden behind bars, said the escaped inmate is a sociopath.
He was quoted as saying he has no moral cores

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or center that would prevent him from doing anything. Harden
is considered extremely dangerous should not be approached. Authorities using helicopters, drones,
canines and ATV have been looking through rugged terrain, densely
wooded areas and hills, and all of this hinders kind

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of an ongoing search because this is not looking for
someone in a metropolitan Atlanta, Georgia. You know, they are
looking in a lot of wooded areas where there's a
ship pile of places to hide. Quite frankly. Harden pleaded
guilty in October of twenty seventeen to the first degree

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murder in connection of the shooting death of fifty nine
year old James Appleton. He was also convicted of the
nineteen ninety seven rape of an elementary school teacher in Arkansas,
and that crime was actually highlighted on a television documentary
called The Devil in the Ozarks. This was in twenty

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twenty three, and Cheryl Tillman who is now the mayor
of Gateway, Arkansas, and Appleton's sister incidentally said that Harden
is an evil man and said his escape is the
ast like deja vu all over again. Harden is six
feet tall, two hundred and fifty nine pounds, so a
big guy in authority said anyone with information should contact

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local law enforcement. And Kelly is someone who worked in corrections.
What do you think about that?

Speaker 3 (08:18):
Yeah, it actually raises questions off the top because if
he is designated as a kitchen worker, I'm curious as
to why he would be outside the gates with a
cart that was left out there to begin with.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
That to me kind of stinks. I'm not quite buying
that whatsoever.

Speaker 3 (08:34):
Now, as a sociopath and someone who knows law enforcement.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
Not myself by the way I'm talking about him, to
be clear, but as.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
Someone who understands law enforcement and all that that entails,
I could see how he could just command a presence
having been in charge in law enforcement before. Of maybe
if this is a younger officer that was there and
he said, sign open this gate or I'm going to
get you know what I'm trying to say, and he
used that power complex over someone I could see how

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that could happen, but for him to have a uniform
of any nature that would make someone think that he
could be allowed outside of those gates. And then it
said he was pushing a cart that had been abandoned.
I just don't. I think that stinks. I don't there's
something wrong with that. That sounds like someone assisted in
some fashion. And he knows that he's got to get

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out of town. He's not a fool, so I would
be hard pressed to think that he didn't have something
set up. I'd be looking at his visitation records and
see who's been visiting him, if anyone in the recent months,
and I'd be jumping down that trail.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
Yeah. And you know, if you're the district attorney that convicted, Look,
this guy's a nut job. He is a straight up,
stone cold martyrer. And if you're that DA right now,
I bet he has twenty four hour security protection around him.
Because some these guys have escape that are stone cold murderers.

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They know they're going to get caught. They just want to,
you know, probably take out whoever they want to take
out that they've been thinking about since they've been in jail.

Speaker 3 (10:11):
Well, and I'd be kind of thinking tactically here because
I think if he was law enforcement, that he has
a tactical mind in some fashion. You know, I'd be
curious if he had a radio and if he was
monitoring radio traffic, because if that's the case, he knows
what's up unless they're on some kind of talk around
channel that he wouldn't have access to.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
I mean, just there's a lot here. And you never
underestimate an opponent.

Speaker 3 (10:31):
I think that's the worst thing you can do, is
underestimate an opponent like this.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
And how do you if you're I mean, the guy
opened the gate, Just let him on and see you later,
see you tomorrow at work. Yeah, you got to be
right there is getting clowned right now.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
I bet he's getting canned.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
He's filling out applications right now, because what the hell
you know?

Speaker 1 (10:52):
And that's a you know, it's an unforgivable mistake right there.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
Now, assuming that he wasn't a trustee of some sort,
that would have been allowed outside of the gates. But
I can't understand why you would be in the kitchen
and then be right right, No, I'm saying I'm saying
the bad guy I don't see why he would have
been allowed outside of those gates, because if you're working
in the kitchen, then I don't see you having any

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reason to be outside of the gate. I don't see
how those two jobs would have gone hand in hand
if you follow what I'm saying. So yeah, but hey,
stay vigilant, stay safe because this guy that's a scary combo. Rapist, murderer,
former law enforcement that is a very scary combo.

Speaker 1 (11:33):
I agree, and luck. Escapes have been peppering the the
media lately, especially in Louisiana.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
Oh my god, we.

Speaker 1 (11:43):
Got still got some on the run from the New
Orleans escape. They had a guy escape from Tangibahoe Parish
for the second time yep, a week ago, and fortunately
they caught him.

Speaker 3 (11:55):
But this is the thing in corrections, and anyone who's
worked in law enforcement knows this. But these guys have
three hundred and sixty five days, twenty four hours a
day to think up ways to get out. Plus, if
you think for one second they're not monitoring what the
patterns are. There should never be patterns in prison as
far as the officers go. But if you don't think

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they're not monitoring the patterns and seeing and finding.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
The loopholes and the weaknesses.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
If you think that that guy did not size up
that officer at the gate and choose him as the
one to go upon and say open this gate, you're
sadly mistaken. All of that was calculated, and I believe that.
But hey, let's go on to South Carolina. You want
to go there with me? So a fight on board

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a boat where one hundred and twenty people were partying
over the holiday week and led to a shooting where
eleven people were hurt along the South Carolina coast. Only
three of the people hurt in Sunday nights shooting remain
in the hospital and all are expected to survive, thank god.
The shooting happened on the dock in Little River along
the inner coastal water as people were getting off the boat,

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and investigators believe only one person was firing. Ten people
were shot and one person was hurt when a speaker
fell on their head. Okay, I'm not making light of this,
but imagine being in a shooting and you're injured and
they're like, oh god, you were shot, and that no
speaker hit me in the head, you know, Wow? Bad
tying there, but no arrest have been made, and many

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people ran for their lives with the gunfire erupted and
were gone by the time that the officers arrived. The
chief refused to say what started the dispute on the
boat and how it led to the shooting on the dock.
He also would not say what kind of weapon was used.
Items were recovered, but that's part of the investigation and
we don't want to release it at this time. Police
said most of the victims were shot in the lower

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part of their bodies. The shooting was around nine to
fifteen pm and it happened where a private charter boat
docks for cruises. About one hundred and twenty people and
four crew members were on the packed boat. Authority said
about three miles down the Interer Coastal Waterway, a North
Myrtle Beach police officer act ccidentally shot himself in the
leg as he tried to get a boat into the
water to respond to the shooting scene. Little River is

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about twenty miles northeast.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
Yeah said he accidentally shot himself and eating he did.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
He accidentally shot himself in the leg as he tried
to get a boat into the water.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
I don't. It doesn't give us much more about that.
I have no clue what happened there.

Speaker 3 (14:21):
But Little River's about twenty miles northeast of Myrtle Beach,
and the fishing village is known for its docks and marinas,
where fishing expeditions, casino boats, and several dolphin cruises leave daily.
The investigation into Sunday shooting has been made a little
harder because many of the people in the boat were
from out of town and detectives are trying to track
them down.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
According to the local police chief, lots of shots fired there, jump.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
Lots of shots and one hundred did you say one
hundred and something people?

Speaker 2 (14:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (14:50):
Yeah, so it was one hundred and twenty people were partying, Yeah,
and eleven of them.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
You twenty people on a boat? I don't.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
I'm not sure.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
A yacht, huh, I guess.

Speaker 3 (15:03):
I mean it says it's it's yeah, some.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
Kind of big, big, big ass boat. I don't know.
But what the hell?

Speaker 1 (15:13):
Why was hurt? Seriously?

Speaker 3 (15:16):
Yeah, I mean, they're all going to survive a I
I'm glad about that. But when it says that they
were all shot and they were lower half, it makes
you wonder was it someone shooting from above downward or
was it someone like my mind.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
Goes to they were fighting on the boat and someone
just started popping people.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
Yeah, I guess maybe he was on the.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
Ground or maybe they were short.

Speaker 3 (15:37):
I don't, I don't, I don't know, but my god,
you go out and think you're gonna have fun on
the water and then someone just starts shooting.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
That's insane.

Speaker 3 (15:45):
And then none of these people thought that they should
contact local authorities.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
Is another strange one to me. If someone's shooting at
me when I'm.

Speaker 3 (15:54):
Getting off of a boat, but then they're all from
out of town, So the hell, what like, you're not
gonna say, hey, this guy shot at me, I'd like
him to not.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
Do you need to be held accountable for that? That's
that's bizarre to me.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
Definitely bizarre. And uh so we'll keep you updated. If
we're getting more information on that, We're gonna go to California.
So look, Kevin Costner, now Joe amazing actor, just wrapped
up Yellowstone, one of the yellows of all time.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
I may have been called Beth a time or two.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
Jim, Yeah, there you go. Well, Kevin Costner is in
a little bit of trouble. Uh, and it's gonna be
I guess it's up to you to judge if you
think this lady is being legit or not. But I'm
gonna tell you what's going on. He's being sued by
a stunt woman who claims he made her perform an

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unscripted and violent rape scene while filming his upcoming film
Horizon on American Saga Chapter two. Now, Horizon has gotten
a lot of play all over the place on the
internet as far as the movie being produced directed by Costners,
starring Kevin Costner, supposed to be a huge blockbuster, and

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this lady, whose name is Devin Lobella, She was the
lead stunt double for actress Ella Hunt. She claimed she
was the victim of a violent, unscripted, unscheduled rape scene
directed by Kevin Costner. In the lawsuit, which was filed
Tuesday in California, Labella, who is thirty four, claimed she

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was hired on the condition that an intimacy coordinator would
be present for all nude or intimate scenes. The condition
fell through the cracks when on May second of twenty
twenty three, Labella was called to the set to fill
in for Hunt, who allegedly refused to participate in that
particular scene. After Hunt refused to perform the unplanned rape scene,

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Labella was called in without any prior warning of what
would happen in the scene. The harsh scene was also
in violation of SAG rules, which say at least forty
eight hours notice and prior consent be given before any
scenes involving nidity or simulated sex take place. Who knew
that even existed. Costner, who was directing that day, was

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very hands on as they describe it and presents he
when presenting this uncomfortable scene, which was filmed without an
intimacy coordinator. While filming the scene, Costner allegedly directed a
male actor to repeatedly perform a violent simulated rape on Labella.

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The actress was instructed to mount the stunt double and
mime unbuttoning his pants. The actor then violently raped up
or raped up her skirt. Bella allegedly said the scene
was broadcast publicly on monitors for the entire crew to witness, etc.

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So there's a little bit of a caveat to this,
and that is that Labella has made claims like this
in the past. Apparently with other movies that she's been
a part of. It said that she claimed after traumatic
after the traumatic filming experience, she experienced sudden bouts of

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crying on the set and took several days to reclaim
control of herself. Labella was not higher back for Horizon three.
I guess not. I'm Kevin Costner. But there was apparently
a history that she had of making claims like this.
Now I'm not saying it's legit, not legit. I don't know.

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I wasn't there. I will say that I was very
curious because I had never heard of a intimacy coordinator.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
So apparently I've looked that up.

Speaker 3 (20:04):
Yes, yes, And I was interested in it too, I'll
tell you, because I was curious where to evolve from
what I was curious during these scenes that seem so
hyper sexual sometimes, you know, and so like, how are
they getting through this scene? Because I'm not an actor
or an actress, And so that's why I looked it up,
by the way, because I was curious what they do.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
Well. I also googled it, and according to Google, an
intimacy coordinator is a professional who guid's actors to ensure
intimate scenes are handled respectively, Yes can.

Speaker 3 (20:40):
And like also there's extra padding and like put in
the clothing in scenes where they looked to be naked.
You know, they're not in a lot of them, and
so there was like extra padding put in the clothing.
They almost mocked the scene so that nobody was taken
by surprise. I guess with what was going to happen,
because I think more communication equals a better performance and

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comfort for both actors.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
Is kind of how.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
I don't understand when when this started though, because this
wasn't always They didn't always have this. I would imagine
maybe the me too movement time is when these started
coming into play, because I remember nine and a half
weeks with Mickey Rourke and I think it was Kim
Bay Singer, but they allegedly had sex on set during filming,

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and there's been a couple of other actors slash actresses
that supposedly it was real sex, like they weren't faking it.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
That's that would mean I.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
Would have to look up exactly who. You can certainly
google it. But back then they had no intimacy coordinator.

Speaker 3 (21:42):
But you know, I appreciate the intimacy coordinator personally. I
think that that's wonderful because when you're doing, you know,
your acting, you're pretending you're taking on the role of
somebody else. And to me, most arguments in the world
today stem from miscommunication. Miscommunication, and so yeah, and so
what better thing not to do than to sit down

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and say, Okay, obviously it'll be fluid in acting, but
these are kind of the key points of things that
should happen. You know, if you're going to be pushed
against a wall, or if you're going to be you know,
your shirt ripped or something like that. I don't see
how you could go wrong with that, you know, even
the but even the Blue Angels, you know, when you and.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
You're like, how are you going?

Speaker 3 (22:21):
Blue Angels?

Speaker 2 (22:22):
And hang on, follow me, follow me here?

Speaker 3 (22:24):
Okay, yeah, that's all we need to do is start
that rumor. But no, I watched them recently on a
TikTok and how they sit down and they close their
eyes and they visualize what they're going to do and
the turns and when they're going to do it without
you know, being able to see the other. And that's
how they keep such tight formations and they work through

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it and they know exactly what's going to happen, because
miscommunication in that regard is death. So take it back
down a level to acting.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
I just I really do.

Speaker 3 (22:56):
I think I can appreciate that because you can feel
comfortable to be an actress or an actor and not
feel like someone's going to do something maybe that you're
not prepared for or uncomfortable with.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
Right, And I would say it also protects both parties
because then if someone says, oh, she did something I
didn't want her to do, or he did something I
didn't want him to do, you have a third party
there you can say, ah, that's not what happened.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
Yeah, And so I.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
Was the intimacy coordinator. I might look into that job.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
You want to do the gym we will start pod
casting intimacy coordination that I'll touch her. All right, Well,
come with me to Lakeland, Florida. Now, which Lakeland? When
I think of that, I think of school shooting.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
But this is going to be I think of Sheriff
Grady Judd.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
Yeah, that dude's so freaking cool. Oh my god, I'm
a fan. I'm a fan of him. All right.

Speaker 3 (23:45):
Well, a man that was believed to be on drugs
was shot and killed Monday by Florida Sheriff's deputies who
had tried to shock him with the taser as he
wielded a set of garden shears.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
Shortly after, he was apparently bitten by an.

Speaker 3 (23:58):
Alligator in Lake How that happens. That's just the strangest
set of events to happen one after the other. But
Paulk County Sheriff Grady Judd told reporters the two deputies
were trying to de escalate the situation before the man,
who was identified as forty two year old Timothy Schultz,
climbed into their running patrol vehicle and tried to get

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the weapons inside. That's when the deputies opened fire. And
this was a quote from mister Judd. He said, this
is just crazy stuff. Okay, you know that it's got
to be true. You can't make it up.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
Schultz had a long history of drug related arrests, and
he had been released from jail last Tuesday after being
arrest for possession of meth, so I think that's maybe
an indicator of what was going on in his head.

Speaker 3 (24:43):
Monday's incident started when a convenience store worker at about
five fifty six am reported a man acting bizarrely shaking
and asking to call his son. Deputies went to the store,
but they couldn't find a man. So about seven forty
three am, people reported that there was a man that
was later identified as Schultz swimming in a lake that
contained multiple alligators.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
One witness tried to give him a life preserver and.

Speaker 3 (25:07):
Another one was trying to speak with him but was
given a growl in response while he was in the water.
While he was in the lake, he was apparently bitten
by an alligator on his right arm, and the sheriff said,
quote the fact that he was bitten by an alligator
significantly and still continued his rampage is shocking. But if
you're on enough meth, then the person you see is

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not the person that's attacking. When Schultz emerged from the
water in this gated community in Lakeland, which is east
of Tampa, he picked up a set of garden shears
that had been left outside, and then he tried to
break into a vehicle with a brick. So after the
deputies arrived at the scene, he charged at them with
the shears, and the deputies tried to de escalate the
situation and they told Schultz put down the shears They

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attempted to shock him with the taser twice, according to
the sheriff, and they were still trying to take him
peacefully into custody when Schultz entered the deputies still running
patrol vehicle from the passenger side, and he tried to
grab a hold of either the rifle or the shotgun
inside from the holster the holders that they're locked in.
The deputies then shot Schultz multiple times. The incident is

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still under investigation, and the deputies have been placed on
routine administrative leave during the initial phases of the investigation.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
Wow, and he's dead. And what do you think about this? Well,
you know, too much force?

Speaker 3 (26:30):
No, absolutely not. We've got a guy that's now been tried.
They tried to speak him down multiple times, so he's
he's obviously not in his right state of mind, which
again that that's hot, that's sad.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
But he chose to.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
Smoke meth and then his body reacted accordingly. He's been
multiple people have reported him as acting bizarrely. He's in
a waterway at a gated community, is not so bit hell,
even the alligators bid him and then we're like, get
the hell out of here.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
So good question, A question he wouldn't. He wouldn't he
was a law He's on meth.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
Yeah, yeah, and he's got multiple weapons.

Speaker 3 (27:07):
He's got garden shears, he's got a brick and people
may think not much of a brick. Well, have someone
attack you with it and then tell me how you
feel afterwards.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
Then he jumps into a running patrol car.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
I mean, he could have taken that car and taken
off and then people would be looking at the police
like they're the idiots, you know that, And that's just
not the case.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
Then when he starts trying to grab weapons, you know.

Speaker 1 (27:27):
It's it's it's really I think messed up. He's trying
to get to the the You know, the question here
is going to be did could they have stopped this
without killing him?

Speaker 3 (27:38):
They tried to taze him twice. I mean, if you
look at the use of force continuum, different places, different
states have different jump in points. So I mean, I
can't speak on Florida. I don't with with Sheriff Judd
being there, I think it'd be kind of He's like,
you jump in where you need to, but you know,
this guy has a deadly weapon. The shears are a
deadly weapon. We'll start there. That is an absolute deadly

(28:00):
weapon has the potential to kill somebody. Even with a knife,
you need a twenty one foot reactionary gap. So I
think the more educated somebody is, the more that they
would realize. I think that the police officers chased him around,
tried to de escalate this, and once you put your
hands on the gun.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
Yeah, yea, that's certainly where he took it too far. Yeah,
if you will, I mean the garden chairs, you can
you can shoot someone in the leg or something like
that probably stop them.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
But we don't shoot for the for the leg.

Speaker 3 (28:28):
That's the thing about weapons that I think that maybe
the average public doesn't look at is that we are
not trained to shoot people in the leg And I
don't speak for anyone professionally or anything like that. I'm
just saying from a history of experience, and so once
you pull a weapon in the line of duty, it's
never to scare somebody. That's what cowards do. If a
weapon is pulled, it doesn't mean that you have to
shoot somebody.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
But it absolutely means that.

Speaker 3 (28:52):
The potential for a deadly encounter is there. And we're
not shooting in the legs. We're gonna shoot to to
stop to neutralize the threat, and that's what they did.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
Yeah, all right, So I'm not I'm not.

Speaker 3 (29:07):
I'm feeling like he kind of got what he what
he what He maybe not what he wanted, but he
got what was coming his way after multiple attempts to
de escalate and don't do drugs. And I know that
sounds kind of harsh, but he probably would not act
that way in his right mind, but it is what
it is at this point.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
Yeah, and got bid balin alligator in the process.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
I mean, dang, imagine going up to head.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
Said and he kept coming after getting his arm bit.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
That tells you a lot about.

Speaker 3 (29:39):
What, you know, what had him going and what was
in his system because he was messed up.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
All right, Let's go to Ohio and I'm gonna tell
you about a US Coast guard that turned only fans
model that is facing a decade long prison sentence for
luring a man she claimed raped her into the woods
of a national park in Ohio and executing him. Chelsea

(30:05):
Perkins pleaded guilty on Tuesday to second degree murder in
the twenty twenty one death of thirty one year old
Matthew Dunmyre. This was in the Coo Yoga and I'm
positive I'm mispronouncing it, but it is what it is.
Valley National Park near Cleveland. Hikers in the Terra Vista

(30:26):
National Study area of the park found Dunmyer's body. This
was around eleven am on March ninth of twenty twenty one.
He had a single gunshot wound to the back of
the head and an Aquafina water bottle lying next to him.
FBI agents learned Dunmyer had gone out with friends and

(30:47):
co workers to a bar four days before the discovery
of his body. Dunmyre told them he was going to
meet a woman who was in town for the weekend.
The woman showed up in a white car, and his
boss actually watched him get in that car and leave.
License plate readers showed the car belong to Perkins's husband.

(31:07):
That's right. Investigators later learning the pair drove to an
Airbnb that the defendant had rented using her credit card.
After spending the night with Don Meyer, Perkins sent a
Facebook message to her tattoo artist in Metropolitan Detroit that
she was in Cleveland and was going to make a

(31:28):
stop thirst before going to Michigan. The pair drove to
the National Park. This was on the morning of March
sixth of twenty twenty one, and hikers said they heard
a gunshot between eleven thirty am and at eleven fifty am.
Another pair of fikers reported in countering a woman later
conferring to b Perkins, who was walking and appeared to

(31:50):
be lost. They thought it was odd she was wearing
knee high boots and not hiking gear. Perkins then drove
to a tattoo parlor in Michigan. Agents keen in on
Perkins as a suspect and found that the same car
was parked outside her husband's home in Virginia a couple
of weeks later, the suspects DNA was also found on

(32:13):
the aquafina bottle, as well as on Dunmyer's body, and
after her short tent in the Coastguard police figured out
Perkins went on to be an OnlyFans model under the
name Sabrina Savage. As for perkins rape allegation against Dunmyer,
police and Virginia Beach said there was not enough evidence

(32:34):
to move forward on that charge. The case took a
twist in November of twenty twenty one, when Dunmyer's parents,
who were upset that Perkins had not been arrested yet,
took matters into their own hands. Dunmyer's mother, Tommy Lynn Dunmyre,
and father, John Nelson McQuillan drove to Washington, d C.

(32:55):
With plans to kill Perkins. Tommy Lynn Dunmyre dressed up
as a ups driver and knocked on an apartment door.
When a woman answered, she shot her twice in the abdomen.
The problem with that was the woman who answered the
door was not Perkins. The older Dunmyre had just shot

(33:15):
a woman who had nothing to do with her son's murder.
Tommy Lynn Dunmyre and McQuillan changed license plates on their vehicles,
but police were still able to track them down. Tommy
Lynn Dunmyre then shot herself to death as officers were
closing in. The woman she shot fortunately survived her injuries,

(33:38):
and federal agents arrested mquillan, who later pleaded guilty to
accessory after the fact to assault with intent to kill.
He received a three year prison sentence, and Perkins, in
all of this, faces between twenty and twenty five years
in prison. When she sentenced on September ninth. And as

(34:00):
crazy as all of that story is, boy, you talk
about some moving parts. What really blew up my mind
was it took four fricking years for them to get
to this point. It is now twenty twenty five, middle
of twenty twenty five. This happened in twenty twenty one.

Speaker 3 (34:15):
There's so many things happening here that I can't quite
wrap my mind around.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
And to start, you.

Speaker 3 (34:23):
Know, if you were a victim of rape.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
That is probably one of the most horrible.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
Things that I think a human being can do to
another person. That's so just demoralizing. The issue here becomes
that there's little to no evidence of that happening. You're
claiming you were raped, yet you dress up provocatively, are
willing to spend the night with the guy that supposedly
raped you.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
It seems like your question and whether she got raped,
and we don't know.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
If she got No.

Speaker 3 (34:52):
No, no, I'm not questioning if she was raped or
not because I don't have enough evidence one way or
the other on this based on what I've read.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
I mean, she was dressing provocatively.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
She's in knee high boots, bringing him into no, she.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
Went out for the night. Have you seen what these
women wear that go out these days?

Speaker 3 (35:08):
Do you wear knee high boots into the woods and
bring a pistol and shoot from one of the back
of the head.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
Well, no, I don't with you.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
I can't.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
Night.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
This is what's going on here. We're going to do
some international indiscretions. Okay, because two hitmen were dressed as nurses.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
Yeah, international indiscretions. That's a segment tip.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
Yes, I love that. Dunt dunt down? All right, two hitmen?
Is that our sound? Two hitmen dressed as nurses snuck
into the ear at Tijuana's General Hospital on Wednesday to
quote finish offul woman who had been the target of
shooting the day before.

Speaker 3 (35:53):
And this from Tijuana police. The woman was initially brought
to the ear after being shot outside of a convenience
store on Tuesday evening. And when police say, when witnesses
saw a man approached the victim outside of the store,
she ignored him and that's when he took out a
gun and he shot her in the abdomen and in
the arm. Paramedics transported her to the Tijuana's General Hospital

(36:15):
for treatment. Now, the victim was identified as thirty nine
year old Wendy Ilm, and that's how it's listed. There
is no last name. That's why I'm just saying Wendy Elm.
But investigators have told reporters that they have yet to
find a motive for the murder, and they described the
woman as a single mother who lived modestly and cleaned
houses for a living.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
So, according to police, she was shot twice at close.

Speaker 3 (36:35):
Range and killed by the pretend nurses as she slept
on a gurney Wednesday evening in the hospital's emergency room. Now,
this is what's even stranger about it. Witnesses said that
the National Guard soldiers were on patrol in the emergency room,
but they did nothing to stop the suspects as they
ran out of the hospital. Hospital administrators say they're cooperating

(36:57):
with police, but have refused to answer questions about how
the gunmen were able to gain access to the emergency
room area and the victim.

Speaker 1 (37:06):
Yeah, and let me tell you it's a horrible story
Mexico right now. In a lot of other spots in
South America that used to be like the places to go,
you know, if you want to go on vacation, are
not anymore. Tia want of Mexico used to be somewhere

(37:27):
you'd want to go, that was a tourist destination and
a fun time and all those sorts of things. But
let me tell you this. To me, screams cartel related
the fact that no one tried to stop them when
they went in there. Yep, definitely says cartel was involved.
Otherwise they look. The Mexican police and the cartels battle

(37:52):
it out often in the cartels will pay off police
a lot of times in order to kill somebody, and
they wanted this person. It's as simple as that. When
you go in the hospital and say we're gonna finish
you off, and you make that happen and you get away.
These guys will never get caught. But it's a shame
because a lot of these tourists destinations that used to

(38:15):
be so great, and the economy there was rocking because
people from the United States want to go it to
Ya Wanner, they want to go to some of these
other places. Now you don't want to go there, No,
it's you're an American, you're really going to be in Tronle.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
Yeah, And so it's not and it's not hate towards anybody.
It's just protection of yourself.

Speaker 3 (38:37):
You know.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
My grandma always used to say, Kelly, you stay on.

Speaker 3 (38:40):
The beaten path, baby. Wherever you go in life, stay
on the beaten path. And unfortunately here this woman sounds
like she was on the beaten path.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
I mean, she was just living her life. And I
think about her babies.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
Because it says she was a single mom and she
cleaned houses for a living, which made me wonder whose
houses does she clean? And did maybe she see something
or find something that she sh and have found. Maybe
that's why it was so imperative that they wanted to
get rid of her. I don't know what could cause
not one, but two people to be willing to go

(39:11):
in broad daylight and shoot somebody, you know, unless there
was much more to.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
What she knew or they thought that she knew, could have.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
Been, could have been her brother was someone who hawed
them money in this day, they were going to kill
a sister over, you know, to make him pay. Yeah,
for that. There's a multitude of reasonings as to why
that happened. We'll probably never know.

Speaker 3 (39:38):
And the thing too is yeah, and the thing too
is they have what they call plata diploma, which is
silver or lead.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
And basically, you either take our money.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
As when we were talking about the cartel paying people
off and the police and all that, it's kind of
like silver or lead. You either take our money and
you turn your head and you look the other way,
or you can eat a bullet and you can decide.
But once they take the money payoff, now there it
incriminates you, but by force of hand, if that makes sense.
So I feel so sorry though for those kids. He'll

(40:08):
never know their mama. You know that, we'll never get
to grow up with their mama.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
It's a tragedy, definitely a tragedy. And Lucky used to
be something where these tourist destinations were protected. And when
they had a cartel shit go down, it wasn't going
down in the resort area, if you will. Now it's
starting to even the resort areas in some of these
places are getting very sketched. Let's go to Louisiana. I

(40:36):
love that, okay, right, and we're going to go about
ten minutes from here Greenwell Springs area. Oh no, and look,
this story I'm about to tell you is a mind
blower and it involves a woman who is facing charges
after official say she intentionally set fire to her ex

(40:58):
boyfriend's boat in a boat now and threatened nearby residents.
Jail records show that Zana Lee, who is thirty, was
arrested This was this past Tuesday, on one count of
aggravated arson. Now. The incident Lee is accused of occurred
on Greenvial Springs Road. Y'all, that's in the central area

(41:22):
of Baton Rouge, but not very far from where I'm
recording right now, super far from where Kj's recording right now.
That's right. So. According to Baton Ridge Fire Department, the
fire was extinguished when crews arrived on the scene, but
it had caused approximately six thousand dollars worth of damage
to the boat, completely destroying it. Investigator said. Witnesses reported

(41:45):
seeing the victim's ex girlfriend near the boat shortly before
the fire began. They said she had allegedly made multiple
threats in the past, including threatening to set the boat
on fire. According to official, surveillance video showed Lee's vehicle
enter the parking lot and parking near that boat. Minutes later,

(42:08):
the video reportedly showed her vehicle speeding away while flames
became visible in the boat and that boat was quickly
engulfed into fire. The boat was parked just a few
feet from an occupied apartment building, which officials say created
a serious risk obviously to residents. You don't want that
spreading no word on what the guy did to get

(42:33):
his boat set on fire. kJ Maybe he did nothing,
maybe not, maybe you know, or maybe cheating on him.
We don't know. We don't know, but I'll tell you what.
Ladies getting buck wild today on the crime wire. You know,
first we talk about a woman killing a man and
getting a tattoo, and now one setting her ex boyfriend's

(42:55):
boat on fuck.

Speaker 3 (42:56):
She went for the for the jugular on this one,
to touch a man's boat, like, that's hatred, because you
don't touch a man's boat or his golf clubs. I
learned that growing up, Daddy wouldn't let me near the boat,
and he wouldn't let.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
Me near his golf clubs. So obviously she was pretty pissed.

Speaker 1 (43:12):
I don't know if you've ever seen Young Guns, and
this is an older not an older movie. It was
in the nineties and a Milio Esteves played Billy the Kid,
and they had several other people in this in this movie,
but There's one point during the movie where Billy the
Kid goes up to a guy that's actually a bounty
hunter looking for him, and he says, hey, man, can

(43:33):
I see your gun? And the guy didn't know it
was Billy the Kid, so he's like this real slick
gun slinger and he hands the gun to Billy the Kid,
and Billy the Kid's looking at it, and the guy says, careful, son,
stroking a man's gun is like stroking a man's lady.
And then Billy Kid cheats him with his own gun.

(43:53):
It was great, but you know, sat in a man's
boat on fire is like messing with a man's lady.

Speaker 3 (43:59):
I said that that's just in South Louisiana. That's unconscionable.
You leave the boats alone. They did nothing to you, okay,
and uh hey look, and then to put all those
other people at risk nearby just because you're that angry.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
That's not cool.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
And again, but you know, we don't know what occurred here.
Did she catch him cheating with her best friend? Who knows?
And then half the ladies listening to us will be like,
you get girl, set that boy's boat on fire all
of a sudden night to we don't know. She might
have had a good reason. We don't know yet, but
I'll tell you what. She was scorned some.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
She off you ain't never lied.

Speaker 3 (44:37):
And now maybe take just a moment to remember the
boat and all that it went through when the boat
did nothing.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
All right, well, let's talk about this.

Speaker 3 (44:45):
We're in Cali now where let's see, we're in Alameda
County and this is where a Alameda County rapist is
suspected of killing his cellmate in Mule Creek State Prison.
So we've got a rapist gone murderer. The rapist, fifty
four year old Jes Ferdin, was moved into a restrictive
housing unit pending the homicide investigation. Now this name, I'm

(45:07):
gonna say his name is Longino. If that's not it,
I apologize. But Longino Jones, fifty one, was found unresponsive
inside of a cell he shared with Ferdin. Jones was
transported to the prison's triage area, where he was pronounced
deceased by paramedics an hour later. Ferdin was convicted in
Alameda County in twenty eighteen of rape with force and violence,

(45:28):
and he was sentenced in twenty nineteen to serve twelve
years in prisent. Okay, I haven't even finished going through
the article yet, but you got twelve years on a
violent rape and then you're gonna go and kill somebody.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
Dude, you would have been.

Speaker 3 (45:39):
Out in six on good time and then you go
and you kill somebody. I don't understand the logic here,
But Jones was convicted in Los Angeles County in two
thousand and seven on first degree burglary as a third
strike offender. He was sentenced to life with the possibility
of parole. Mule Creek State Prison houses more than thirty
eight hundred inmates, and the Huma side is under investigation

(46:02):
and Amador County Corner will determine Jones's official cause of death.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
And you know what's interesting to me right off the
bat about that article is it's like roll reversal. Usually
the rapist gets killed in prison. Yeah, that's the ripist.
The murderer kills him, right, because nobody, even even the
lowest of the low prisoners hate rapists. They don't. Yeah, yeah, that,

(46:31):
uh so this was kind of roll versus Well, the
rapist did the killing and it did you know, you
didn't say in that article, so I assume it didn't
reference what cost it.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
Yeah, it doesn't. He's just found unresponsive.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
So but then point up though that, Yeah, I mean
he twelve years stent, probably gonna serve half that. Uh,
and now he's going to just life. It sounds like
in jail.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
Well look, I'm not even I'm not.

Speaker 3 (46:58):
I mean, aside from the fact they think you just
killed somebody. To get twelve years for a violent rape,
it says rape but with force and violence is to
me unconscionable. Twelve years, absolutely not. He should have been
in there longer.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
Kelly Jennings any final thoughts.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
Now I'm about to go jump down a water slide.
Can't wait.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
I wish I was.

Speaker 3 (47:20):
Put on your knee high boots that you like to
wear camping and you come on and jump down this
water slide.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
Yeah, I ain't got the water slide here. I've let
down fisc wing to do a slipping slide like leg
in the old days. A lot of people listen to
this so well, I appreciate him there and we love it,
love it, love it, and we thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
Of course, always here to talk about the crime.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
That's right. And until next time, I'm Jim Chapman.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
And I'm Kelly Jennings for Crime Why Weekly. Yes, don't
I do it again?

Speaker 1 (48:01):
No, I like it when I'm doing it again. That
was spontaneous,

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