In this episode of CrimeWire Weekly, hosts Jim Chapman and Kelly Jennings discuss a series of trending crime stories, including the arrest of the Liver King after threats made to Joe Rogan, a Texas teen is indicted for murder causing a debate in the lone star state of self defense, Two NY good samaritans walk a woman home and get stabbed for their trouble and much more
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- Arkansas woman missing for over a year found an hour away and arrested
- Texas man kills parents, 2 dogs, and shoots responding deputy
- The loaded firearm mishap of Sammy Kershaw
- The Liver King arrested after challenging Joe Rogan to a fight
- Update: Matt decker still wanted in Washington
- Florida Death Row inmates is executed
- Texas teen indicted for murder causes debate over self defense
- Two good samaritans in New York stabbed after walking woman home in wee hours
- Minnesota man kills ex-wife and climbs a tree to avoid capture
- Woman places ex-husband’s dog in crate and tosses in a lake.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
In Arkansas, a woman who disappeared over a year ago
is found alive and subsequently arrested. In New York, two
Good samaritans walk a woman home in the wee hours
of the morning and then both get stabbed by the
man who was following her. And in Texas, a high
school student is charged with murder after he says he
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was defending himself.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
From a bully.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
These stories and more dominated the headlines this week, and
we are discussing them today on Crime Wire Weekly.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
I'm Jim Chapman and I'm Kelly Jennings.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
And look, before we get into it, go Tigers CWS
Champs the College World Series. And if you were in
Louisiana this past week, you definitely had your eyes on
that game.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
That game was wild too, the coach being thrown out
in what.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
The first, oh yeah out, all kinds of crazy stuff.
And we told you about the Jello Shot Challenge last week, which,
as I predicted, they did not break the record set
in twenty twenty three, which was an unbelievable sixty eight
thousand plus jello shots. However, they did win the annual
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crown this year. They consumed fifty two thousand three hundred
and ninety jello shots, which if you're curious, at five
dollars each, which I confirmed was the cost.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
This is a total cost of.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Two hundred and sixty one thousand, nine hundred and fifty
dollars jello in jello with a little bit of alcohol.
It is nice. Look, no one brings revenue to a
city like LSH fans.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
I can promise you that.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Look, Dallas loves us, Omaha loves us.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
My dad had a shirt he still wears it to
this day, and I love it. It says that we're
a drink in town with a football problem. That's always
been my favorite because that's us.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
That's a great way to say that. It is absolutely true.
So congratulations to LSU for that win, and congratulations to
LSU fans for that win as well. They're probably still
getting over it.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Yes, indeed.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
All right, we're going to get to Arkansas for this
first story. And an Arkansas woman who went missing a
year ago recently turned up at a gas station. So
police respond and then they promptly arrest her for an
outstanding warrant. Tory Millsack, who is thirty five, walked into
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a gas station. This was about three pm last Thursday.
It was in Little Rock, Arkansas. She told the staff
that she was a missing person. This prompted them to
call law enforcement, which they did and an employee and
the responding officer they said that mill Sack she appeared
calm when they got there. According to the police report,
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Milsack told the officer she ran away from home a
year ago, and she also made him aware she had
a warrant out for her us. She was taken into
custody and is currently being held at the Garland County
Detention Center. Now, this outstanding warrant was a failure to appear,
so she missed a coordinate And I have a little
bit more on that for you in a second. Mill
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Sak's family members, who have been tirelessly searching for her,
say they are relieved she's still alive, but shocked by
her sudden reappearance. Shocked was the initial reaction because I
had been told she might have been murdered multiple times,
that from her brother Jason Hamil hope was lost. I mean,
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like everybody said, you hold on to that one percent
she'd be found alive, and she's that one percent now.
In previous interviews, Hamill said his sister had for the
most part, stopped communicating with her family in twenty twenty three.
He said she was battling post traumatic stress disorder after
a tragic event, and this led up to her disappearance
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in his mind. Milsak was reported missing on June sixth
of twenty twenty four and was last seen in Hot Springs, Arkansas.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Quote makes me.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Very angry, not at Toy, but at some people. Now
it's time to start the healing process and rebuild Tory's life.
That from her brother. He said he had been haunted
by his last conversation with his sister, which came amid
a family crisis during which he and his father were
faced with a tragic decision of taking another sibling off
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life support after a motorcycle accident. Quote Tory called, and
she sounded like she was mad about something, and I
told her I didn't have time to deal with her
crap right now. She said, I'm sorry, I love you.
I'll call you in a week, and never heard from her.
So that's hold of me for the last year, thinking
that maybe if I took an extra five minutes, things
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could have been different. Hamill said his family has not
yet had the chance to communicate with Millsack while she
was in custody, but they're anxiously awaiting their first opportunity
to speak with her in over a year.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Quote.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
I'm nervous and I want to find out what happened
which she held against her will. It's been a year.
I want to see her, make sure she's okay. Millsack's
next court appearance in Garland County.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Is set for July.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
And I actually got really curious about what she was
arrested for because I thought maybe that has something to
do with her sudden disappearance. So I did pull up
the probable cause report and it said on April eleventh
of twenty twenty four, Officer Zach Huffman responded to Hillcrest
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Street in reference to a breaking and entering in Prior
to the officer's arrival, the victim, Jamie Nash, advised our
dispatch that an unknown subject was currently inside of her
black twenty nineteen Ford Explorer. Upon the officer's arrival, contact
was made with the vehicle and officers placed a white
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female under arrest, and she was sitting in the driver's
seat of that vehicle. Millsack followed commands and was placed
into custody without incident. Nash, who is the car's owner,
looked inside the vehicle and there were several items on
the front driver and passenger side that did not belong
to her. Upon collecting the items where Millsack had been observed,
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the officer located several credit cards and driver's license that
all belonged to Millsack and displayed her name. A black
container was located with several items Nash stated were containers
of hers, but some of the items inside were not hers.
Nash pointed out several of his items were scattered throughout
the front seat and apparently looked like that vehicle had
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been ransacked. And so she likes to break in vehicles.
You know, this is a situation. Her family, Her brother
seems like he really loves her. He's and he's happy
to finally see her reappear, if you will. But I
don't know about the PTSD thing. It sounds to me
like she may have been running because of that warrant.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
I don't know. Something about this screams mental illness to me,
maybe not PTSD related, But we don't know what type
of lifestyle she lived either. But something about this is
It doesn't seem like a woman on the run to me.
It seems like a woman that's completely frazzled, disordered, not
following any sort of you know, I'm trying to say,
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to go to a house and just open a car
and go through it. I don't know what time of
day it was either, that would matter to MENA. That's weird.
And I'm analyzing this a lot. But with the brother dying,
we don't know if that's related or not either. But
I hope that they will look at her mental health
for sure. She doesn't seem violent and like she's hurting
other people either. I mean, breaking into someone's vehicle, rummaging
through it's aggravating his hell.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Well, regarding time of day, was eight four seven, So
it is eight forty seven in the.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Morning, which is again a very bizarre time to be
breaking in someone's car too. Most people would do it
in the in the cloak of night. It yeah, me too,
clearly when we go together. But yeah, this this is weird.
And then to be gone for an entire year, how
do you survive for a year. I wonder if she
was reported missing, was she Oh, yeah, she was, so
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I wonder if they looked at her credit, but she
was an adult or I know, but if she still
reported missing and they take the report, I do wonder
if they looked into that, because like a whole year.
Think about that, a whole year and no contact with
your family and they said she started no contact in
twenty twenty three, correct the family, So that means that
she was starting to decline even before she or she disappeared.
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So I think that we got a mental health crisis
on our hands with this girl.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Most interesting thing to me about this whole thing is
she disappeared in Hot Springs. She was found in Little Rock.
They're less than an hour from each other. No, she's
fifty four minutes according to what I looked up from
where she disappeared to where she was found, So that
was usually your found states over after years.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Which also means there's more to this story, which also
means when he says I'm not mad at her, I'm
mad at some people. Well, okay, that tells me there's
more to this and that somebody has been housing or
allowing her to live off of whatever is going on.
So you know, you know, I don't want to minimize it,
but I'm glad she's alive. That's a great randomize it.
That's a great thing. And hopefully she can turn her
life around and she still has time to get things going. Agree,
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all right, Hey, let's go to Texas real quick. Three
people and two dogs are dead after a murder suicide
in Texas over the weekend that left a law enforcement
officer seriously injured. Leon County Sheriff Kevin Ellis identified the
assailant as thirty eight year old James Scott Grigory and
the victims as his mother and father. Grigory also shot
deputy from the Leon County Sheriff's office before dying by
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suicide by turning the gun on himself. Deputies initially went
out on a welfare check after receiving a call about
a suicidal subject to alleged to have killed his parents
in Normandy, a town with a population of less than
five hundred located approximately one hundred and twenty miles east
of Austin. When the deputies, who were joined by a
trooper from the Department of Public Safety, attempted to make
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contact with someone inside the residence, Grigory allegedly opened fire.
According to Ellis, one deputy was struck in the face
and the arm during the gunfire and had to be
transported from the scene by helicopter to receive medical treatment.
After that, law enforcements set up a perimeter around the residence,
and soon a SWAT team arrived to take control of
the scene. When the SWAT team entered the home, they
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found two dogs and a man later identified as Grigory's father,
who had been shot dead. They also discovered Grigory dead
from what appeared to be a self inflicted gunshot wound.
While all of this was happening, deputies with the Harris
County Sheriff's Office were performing a welfare check at the
home of Grigory's mother. Harris County Sheriff Ed Gonzalez said
the deputies arrived to the home and found Grigory's mother
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dead from an apparent gunshot wound. The Texas Rangers are
now handling the investigation into the incident, and the deputy
shot twice during the incident is in stable condition and
awaiting surgery. Law enforcement has yet to release the names
of the three victims.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Look I thought about the deputy who was shot in
this situation. Of course, my hearts go out to everyone
that was involved in this. But in the deputy's case,
most deputies will tell you the most dangerous situations you
can go on or domestics, and domestics can include parents
and son, husband and wife, nuclear family, fathers and daughters,
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mothers and sons, whatever. But in this situation, the heat
is so high because the emotions are so high. In
that type of situation with family involved, that would be
cause I would not want to go on because you
just never know who those can.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Tell, especially when someone's suicidal. You know that it's already uh,
you know, it's already amped up, it's ramped up. There's
a lot of emotion involved.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Right in just a horrible situation. And Texas Rangers.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Look, they're good and they're handling the investigation and they're
going to get to the bottom of all of this.
But I don't know what makes somebody kill their own
parents and their dogs and shoot a deputy in the
face and then kill themselves so they don't have to
face responsibilities.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
I wonder if it was he was trying to do
a suicide by cop and then he when he but
you know, when he opened fire or something. But either way,
God blessed those parents that suffered this. You know, that
had to be traumatic before their passing, and then the
people that love them now have to deal with losing
a whole family. Right, That's that's heavy.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Agreed.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Let's go to Louisiana and look, have you heard of
Sammy Kershaw?
Speaker 2 (12:53):
I have for me.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
I love him.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Back in the.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Early nineties to really the mid to late night he
was the bomb dot com in the country music world.
I mean Sammy Kershaw. Everybody loves Sammy Kershaw. Well, he's
in a little bit of trouble.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Oh what Sammy do?
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Well, let me tell you what Sammy did. According to
a news release, the former Louisiana lieutenant government candidate, which
a lot of people don't remember, he ran for lieutenant
governor of the state of Louisiana. He was on his
way to a show. This was in Lafayette at the
Lafayette Airport, and security stopped him and tsa flags his
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bag after finding a wayward firearm inside. The FBI gets
called into the action. Kershaw offers an innocent explanation before
the offense. He said, it was early. I was half awake,
clearly not thinking straight. He said, I've sang a lot
of songs about heartbreak and hard times. But forgetting to
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check my carry on for a loaded firearm, that's a
new one.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Yeah, that was his exact words.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Sammy Kershaw could have faced jail time and finds an
excess of ten thousand dollars for that firearm that he
said was a simple oversight. As it is now he
must pay five thousand dollars. That's an automatic fine, and
he's vowed to be more careful going forward. He said,
I guess it's safe to say I won't be packing
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heat at my next show. He went on to say,
let this be your friendly public service announcement. Check your bags,
check them twice. Let's all stay safe out there. But
Sammy Kershaw caught with a gun in his bag, and
the police don't play when you're in an airport and
you get caught with a loaded firearm in your bag.
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But look, that happens a lot with travel and people
forgetting just simply forgetting about a gun.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Well, if you carry one consistently, if that's like your
secondary thing, second nature thing, you carry a weapon with
you all the time. I'm not saying that he was
in anyway right, but I guess if it's just second
nature to you. I could see how you might just
inadvertently throw it in your bag, but not in an airport,
like come on, sammy, you know, and it was loaded.
It wasn't even like it was, you know, broken down
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or something or however. So yeah, that that was a
big screw up there. We were going one time, we
were flying to Vegas for a friend of ours wedding
and I had another friend of mine with me and
she was like sweating bullets while we were going through
the check okay, at the at the at the airport,
and I said, why are you so damn nervous? She said,
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oh my god, Oh my god, there's a thing in
my bag. Oh my god. I said, what is in
your bag? Because I automatically think drugs, you know, weapons,
And she is the most Christian, like good girl, Okay,
I mean when I tell you, tripping ball, she was tripping.
I said, what did you put in that in that luggage? Yes, yes,
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she had bought this thing and she put it in there.
She goes, oh my god, if they find that magic rabbit,
Oh my god, if they find that magic rabbit. Because everybody,
you know, we're all going through together, and she's like
I'm gonna die. I'm gonna die. She bought it as
a as a you know, we know what an interesting
thing for her.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
You bought it an I go through adults do.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Have magic rabbits.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
And with that right, well, I'll tell you, you know
an interesting interview that I've always thought would be interesting
with someone that did baggage check for like twenty years
in an airport, wouldn't it be cool to sit down
with them and just talk about the stuff that they
have seen busted people with, et cetera over the years.
We need to do that work on that.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
We really do. We need to find Hey, do we
have anybody listening that.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Yeah, you don't even have to be local.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
If you're a baggage checked person from anywhere in the world,
we can talk to you.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
And do it remotely.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
How can they contact Just.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Send a message on on exposed or unspeakables.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Yeah, get on there and send us a message. You
were on Facebook and everything find us because I'm curious
now my mind wants to know.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Yeah, yeah, I'm curious too. That would be very very interesting.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
All right, let's go to Texas where we've got something
going on here. The social media and fitness influencer known
as the liver King was arrested in Austin, Texas. The
liver King, whose name is Brian Johnson, was taken into
custody on the evening of June twenty fourth, and is
now being held on a potential charge of making terroristic threats.
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The liver King was featured on Untold The liver King
on Netflix. The liver King recently posted about Rogan talking
about Joe Rogan. Okay, Joe Rogan, like supposed to the
other famous Rogan. I'm an idiot, y'all Okay, he posted
about Rogan. Joe Rogan, I'm calling you out. My name's
liver King. Man de man. I'm picking a fight with you.
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I have no training in jiu jitsu. You're a black belt.
You should dismantle me. But I'm picking augh fight with you. Your rules.
I'll come to you whenever you're ready. End quote. It's
not clear whether the Rogan comments have anything to do
with the liver kings arrest, though.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Well, and a couple of things here, and this is
making big news, believe it or not, for several reasons.
But the first thing I'll say about this is Joe
Rogan will beat that ass on the liver King. Uh,
and are you familiar with who the liver King.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Is at all? Really?
Speaker 3 (18:16):
I love Rogan, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Okay, while I'm living, while I'm telling you about the
liver King, I want you to google liver king because
it's very important that you see what the liver King
looks like. Now, the liver King Kelly has made a
living off of eating liver wrong liver only.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
He's only eat.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Meat, kind of car for kind of guys ripped. Yeah, well,
he claimed he made a claim that he never did steroids.
Now he's he's fifty almost fifty something somewhere around there,
claims he's never taken steroids.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Joe Rogan said, you know what everybody knew, which was
that's bullshit. You're full of shit, you're the chemical kid. Well,
this pissed him off and led to those comments. Is
that really what terroristic threat? I don't know that the
liver King would was really serious in that. But Brah,
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you can't be threatening people and posting it online. Don't.
Technically that's that's a criminal charge.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
But I don't say that as a threat.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Beat somebody's ass. Oh, it's a total threat.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Yeah, I don't take it that way. I take this
as a guy who's trying to get his fifteen minutes
of fame.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
I didn't think he intended to threat. I didn't think
the intent to really beat his ass was there. But
you flip that if Joe Rugan wasn't somebody that could
take care of themselves, and you got to man that size, Yeah,
telling you I'm gonna beat your ass. I'm gonna come
to Austin and kick your ass. I mean, what are
you gonna do all?
Speaker 2 (19:43):
I be a little concerned about that.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
I'm not saying I would, but.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Well, he would beat my ass. Let's let's start there, Okay,
he would be men, I'll come to you whenever you're ready. Like,
I don't know, I get that they're gonna do it.
He's gonna plead this down if it has anything to
even do with that at all. And Joe Rogan, I'm
on to watch it is Joe.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Reagan would beat that breaks Yeah, anyway he beat him
to a piece of river.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Yeah, and terroristic threat. Seriously, we'll keep you posted.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
He's very ripped and very uh fake, which hey, you're fifty.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Man, and it's okay if you want to do a
little juice. He finally admitted it.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Look, why don't you get some. He probably did what
a lot of guys doing. And guys are gonna get
mad at me for this, but he's gonna claim me
as a low t.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Oh no, I T.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
I know, but that's still taking that's still going to
affect your your body physique. Okay, so I know, but
I'm just trt.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Yeah, all right, So let's go to Washington, okay, and
I'm gonna give you an update. Gosh, this story just
infuriates me because we can't get resolution on it. We've
covered this guy several times and I've got an update
on the Matt Decker story.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Still has not been caught, y'all.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
The Washington State father was wanted is wanted for the
killings of his three daughters, but now police are saying
he may no longer be alive in the remote wilderness,
and I would probably venture he's not. Travis Decker, thirty two,
as we told you, is accused of murdering his three daughters, Peyton, Evelyn,
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and Olivia. And the oldest of those three, Hall was
nine that's how disgusting this asshole was. After their bodies
were found near Decker's abandoned vehicle in a remote campground. Now,
in a statement released Monday night, the Sheriff's office revealed
that there is no certain evidence that Decker remains alive
or even in that area, but insists authorities are continuing
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to search for him. Quote Seemingly strong early leads gave
way to less convincing proofs over the last two weeks
of searching. Still we can't and won't quit this search. Additionally,
authorities are set to deploy and this gives you a
good idea of their mindset.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
A cadaver dog quote.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
In some search resources are being redirected to find and
recovered Decker if he died in the rugged wilderness during
this intense search, adding that it is a possibility that
increases every day. So still looking for this guy, But
when they start deploying that cadaverdogs, they're not real confident
he's still alive. And luck you got you can only
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go three days without food.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
So look, I'm about to sound like an asshole, but
I'll own it. I don't really care. I'm just appalled
that someone could go through such a decline. And I'm
saying that because I did look at photos of him
past to future, and you can see the visual decline
of this person taking better care of our military people
when they come home. You don't think it has anything
to do with that, No, not at all.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
I don't think you think you like kids because you're
not being taken care of.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
No, no, no, no, no no. I'm saying the mental health
I don't after deployment.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
But who's insinuating he wasn't taken care of this dude.
It's almost like you're giving him an out.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
No no, no, no, no, not at all. I'm just
saying in general, if the men, if there was a
decline mentally and this his wife or his ex wife
went to the courts multiple times and said that it
was alarming how bad he was declining, Yet nothing was
ever done and he was still given access to his children.
Like overall, I don't, I don't understand why more wasn't done.
The children should have never been put in that position
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to begin with, like they were failed on.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
So many agree with that.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
You don't think the mental health decline has to do
with the with the military.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
I don't care.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
I don't think there's any excuse for what he did.
Whether he was mentally declined because of the military. I
think that there are hundreds of thousands of millions of
guys that served in the military that don't kill their kids.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Absolutely, but I children should have never.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Been in mentally you know, they're scarred, but they don't
kill their kids.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Absolutely. I agree with your hundred but so no.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
I don't think it had anything to do with it.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
I just don't understand, like those children should have never
been in his care. It was very clear the mother
was speaking up saying that he was declining, yet he
was homeless and still given access to these children, right.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
I mean, it's a pointed that I agree, that's all
that's hindsight, though Kelly his wife also said that he
had never done anything that would indicate this.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Ever.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Yeah, so if he's never done anything to any indicate it,
the police have no right to deny a dad access
to his children.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
If you don't have a house or anywhere to take
these children to properly eat and bathe and all that,
you don't need to have access to the children. There's
something wrong.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
But he wasn't taking them off.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
This was he had three hour visitations.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
We'll give it damn as a mother stand.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Yeah, but you know, fathers have rights too. There's a
lot of good fathers out there that do a lot
of things. And I agree with you that this guy
was a piece of ship. This is all hindsight. He
showed none of this, The wife said he had none
of this behavior.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
When he first came back.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Ever before this happened, he never touched a hair on
his kid's heads.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
According to the mother, there was no sign.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
So you think he just flipped a switch and went
from no problem to just major problem.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Kill kids. I don't know what the fuck he did.
I don't even want to.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
I'm not even trying to decipher his mind because I
can't decipher it.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
It makes absolutely Z Ray sense.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
I know.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
I'm a sure is what I'm saying. So I don't
give a shit if he's a live or dead is
kind of where I'm at. I don't like this should
have been avoided from the jump, like when he started
showing this, these these symptoms of like giving up his
life and not having a home and just roaming like
that's a sign.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
We're looking at this with the advantage of hindsight. Yeah,
at the time, this guy did not seem like he
would be someone that would ever be capable of doing.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Something like that.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Sadly, sometimes there's no way you could have stopped it.
There's nothing that makes any sense. Sh It just happens.
And I think this was one of those situations.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Even they keep they keep harping to in the news
about how he's got survival tactic training and all that,
I know, but like, I don't think he's got something
beyond you know, maybe when he's in his best closes.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Well you know, yeah, and even even if you have
you're an army ranger, okay, who are trained to live
in the most horrible conditions for a long time, which
he was not an army ranger. But even when you're that,
I mean, there's a limit. Yeah, there, you're gonna run
out of food. Eventually, you're gonna run.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
You know.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
They just have to guess, meet their due diligence.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
You would see movement, you would see camps, you would see.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
But they have to do their due diligence and make
sure that you know that the community is safe, excuse me,
So they have to they have to keep looking until.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
They you know that's right, And and they to find
bones or something if he's dead. I want them to
find and know that this guy is nowhere near walking free.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Yeah, and I'd be worried about that mom too, because
you don't know as far as safety too. You don't
know what his mindset, obviously true would be. Yeah, all right, Well,
what if we take a little gander to Florida. How
about that? Because Florida, Florida's handling business right now. A
man convicted of raping and killing a woman near a
central Florida bar was executed Tuesday evening. Thomas Lee Goudinas,
(27:34):
fifty one, was pronounced dead at six thirteen pm following
a lethal injection at Florida State Prison near Stark, said
Brian Griffin, a spokesman for Republican Governor Ron DeSantis. Hey, everyone,
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In Arkansas, a woman who disappeared over a year ago
is found alive and subsequently arrested. In New York, two
Good samaritans walk a woman home in the wee hours
of the morning and then both get stabbed by the
man who was following her. And in Texas, a high
school student is charged with murder after he says he
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was defending himself.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
From a bully.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
These stories and more dominated the headlines this week, and
we are discussing them today on Crime Wire Weekly.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
I'm Jim Chapman and I'm Kelly Jennings.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
And look, before we get into it, go Tigers CWS
Champs the College World Series. And if you were in
Louisiana this past week, you definitely had your eyes on
that game.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
That game was wild too, the coach being thrown out
in what.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
The first, oh yeah out, all kinds of crazy stuff.
And we told you about the Jello Shot Challenge last week, which,
as I predicted, they did not break the record set
in twenty twenty three, which was an unbelievable sixty eight
thousand plus jello shots. However, they did win the annual
(01:27):
crown this year. They consumed fifty two thousand three hundred
and ninety jello shots, which if you're curious, at five
dollars each, which I confirmed was the cost.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
This is a total cost of.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Two hundred and sixty one thousand, nine hundred and fifty
dollars jello in jello with a little bit of alcohol.
It is nice. Look, no one brings revenue to a
city like LSH fans.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
I can promise you that.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Look, Dallas loves us, Omaha loves us.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
My dad had a shirt he still wears it to
this day, and I love it. It says that we're
a drink in town with a football problem. That's always
been my favorite because that's us.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
That's a great way to say that. It is absolutely true.
So congratulations to LSU for that win, and congratulations to
LSU fans for that win as well. They're probably still
getting over it.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Yes, indeed.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
All right, we're going to get to Arkansas for this
first story. And an Arkansas woman who went missing a
year ago recently turned up at a gas station. So
police respond and then they promptly arrest her for an
outstanding warrant. Tory Millsack, who is thirty five, walked into
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a gas station. This was about three pm last Thursday.
It was in Little Rock, Arkansas. She told the staff
that she was a missing person. This prompted them to
call law enforcement, which they did and an employee and
the responding officer they said that mill Sack she appeared
calm when they got there. According to the police report,
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Milsack told the officer she ran away from home a
year ago, and she also made him aware she had
a warrant out for her us. She was taken into
custody and is currently being held at the Garland County
Detention Center. Now, this outstanding warrant was a failure to appear,
so she missed a coordinate And I have a little
bit more on that for you in a second. Mill
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Sak's family members, who have been tirelessly searching for her,
say they are relieved she's still alive, but shocked by
her sudden reappearance. Shocked was the initial reaction because I
had been told she might have been murdered multiple times,
that from her brother Jason Hamil hope was lost. I mean,
(03:50):
like everybody said, you hold on to that one percent
she'd be found alive, and she's that one percent now.
In previous interviews, Hamill said his sister had for the
most part, stopped communicating with her family in twenty twenty three.
He said she was battling post traumatic stress disorder after
a tragic event, and this led up to her disappearance
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in his mind. Milsak was reported missing on June sixth
of twenty twenty four and was last seen in Hot Springs, Arkansas.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Quote makes me.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Very angry, not at Toy, but at some people. Now
it's time to start the healing process and rebuild Tory's life.
That from her brother. He said he had been haunted
by his last conversation with his sister, which came amid
a family crisis during which he and his father were
faced with a tragic decision of taking another sibling off
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life support after a motorcycle accident. Quote Tory called, and
she sounded like she was mad about something, and I
told her I didn't have time to deal with her
crap right now. She said, I'm sorry, I love you.
I'll call you in a week, and never heard from her.
So that's hold of me for the last year, thinking
that maybe if I took an extra five minutes, things
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could have been different. Hamill said his family has not
yet had the chance to communicate with Millsack while she
was in custody, but they're anxiously awaiting their first opportunity
to speak with her in over a year.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Quote.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
I'm nervous and I want to find out what happened
which she held against her will. It's been a year.
I want to see her, make sure she's okay. Millsack's
next court appearance in Garland County.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Is set for July.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
And I actually got really curious about what she was
arrested for because I thought maybe that has something to
do with her sudden disappearance. So I did pull up
the probable cause report and it said on April eleventh
of twenty twenty four, Officer Zach Huffman responded to Hillcrest
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Street in reference to a breaking and entering in Prior
to the officer's arrival, the victim, Jamie Nash, advised our
dispatch that an unknown subject was currently inside of her
black twenty nineteen Ford Explorer. Upon the officer's arrival, contact
was made with the vehicle and officers placed a white
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female under arrest, and she was sitting in the driver's
seat of that vehicle. Millsack followed commands and was placed
into custody without incident. Nash, who is the car's owner,
looked inside the vehicle and there were several items on
the front driver and passenger side that did not belong
to her. Upon collecting the items where Millsack had been observed,
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the officer located several credit cards and driver's license that
all belonged to Millsack and displayed her name. A black
container was located with several items Nash stated were containers
of hers, but some of the items inside were not hers.
Nash pointed out several of his items were scattered throughout
the front seat and apparently looked like that vehicle had
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been ransacked. And so she likes to break in vehicles.
You know, this is a situation. Her family, Her brother
seems like he really loves her. He's and he's happy
to finally see her reappear, if you will. But I
don't know about the PTSD thing. It sounds to me
like she may have been running because of that warrant.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
I don't know. Something about this screams mental illness to me,
maybe not PTSD related, But we don't know what type
of lifestyle she lived either. But something about this is
It doesn't seem like a woman on the run to me.
It seems like a woman that's completely frazzled, disordered, not
following any sort of you know, I'm trying to say,
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to go to a house and just open a car
and go through it. I don't know what time of
day it was either, that would matter to MENA. That's weird.
And I'm analyzing this a lot. But with the brother dying,
we don't know if that's related or not either. But
I hope that they will look at her mental health
for sure. She doesn't seem violent and like she's hurting
other people either. I mean, breaking into someone's vehicle, rummaging
through it's aggravating his hell.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Well, regarding time of day, was eight four seven, So
it is eight forty seven in the.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Morning, which is again a very bizarre time to be
breaking in someone's car too. Most people would do it
in the in the cloak of night. It yeah, me too,
clearly when we go together. But yeah, this this is weird.
And then to be gone for an entire year, how
do you survive for a year. I wonder if she
was reported missing, was she Oh, yeah, she was, so
(08:32):
I wonder if they looked at her credit, but she
was an adult or I know, but if she still
reported missing and they take the report, I do wonder
if they looked into that, because like a whole year.
Think about that, a whole year and no contact with
your family and they said she started no contact in
twenty twenty three, correct the family, So that means that
she was starting to decline even before she or she disappeared.
(08:55):
So I think that we got a mental health crisis
on our hands with this girl.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Most interesting thing to me about this whole thing is
she disappeared in Hot Springs. She was found in Little Rock.
They're less than an hour from each other. No, she's
fifty four minutes according to what I looked up from
where she disappeared to where she was found, So that
was usually your found states over after years.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Which also means there's more to this story, which also
means when he says I'm not mad at her, I'm
mad at some people. Well, okay, that tells me there's
more to this and that somebody has been housing or
allowing her to live off of whatever is going on.
So you know, you know, I don't want to minimize it,
but I'm glad she's alive. That's a great randomize it.
That's a great thing. And hopefully she can turn her
life around and she still has time to get things going. Agree,
(09:41):
all right, Hey, let's go to Texas real quick. Three
people and two dogs are dead after a murder suicide
in Texas over the weekend that left a law enforcement
officer seriously injured. Leon County Sheriff Kevin Ellis identified the
assailant as thirty eight year old James Scott Grigory and
the victims as his mother and father. Grigory also shot
deputy from the Leon County Sheriff's office before dying by
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suicide by turning the gun on himself. Deputies initially went
out on a welfare check after receiving a call about
a suicidal subject to alleged to have killed his parents
in Normandy, a town with a population of less than
five hundred located approximately one hundred and twenty miles east
of Austin. When the deputies, who were joined by a
trooper from the Department of Public Safety, attempted to make
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contact with someone inside the residence, Grigory allegedly opened fire.
According to Ellis, one deputy was struck in the face
and the arm during the gunfire and had to be
transported from the scene by helicopter to receive medical treatment.
After that, law enforcements set up a perimeter around the residence,
and soon a SWAT team arrived to take control of
the scene. When the SWAT team entered the home, they
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found two dogs and a man later identified as Grigory's father,
who had been shot dead. They also discovered Grigory dead
from what appeared to be a self inflicted gunshot wound.
While all of this was happening, deputies with the Harris
County Sheriff's Office were performing a welfare check at the
home of Grigory's mother. Harris County Sheriff Ed Gonzalez said
the deputies arrived to the home and found Grigory's mother
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dead from an apparent gunshot wound. The Texas Rangers are
now handling the investigation into the incident, and the deputy
shot twice during the incident is in stable condition and
awaiting surgery. Law enforcement has yet to release the names
of the three victims.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Look I thought about the deputy who was shot in
this situation. Of course, my hearts go out to everyone
that was involved in this. But in the deputy's case,
most deputies will tell you the most dangerous situations you
can go on or domestics, and domestics can include parents
and son, husband and wife, nuclear family, fathers and daughters,
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mothers and sons, whatever. But in this situation, the heat
is so high because the emotions are so high. In
that type of situation with family involved, that would be
cause I would not want to go on because you
just never know who those can.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Tell, especially when someone's suicidal. You know that it's already uh,
you know, it's already amped up, it's ramped up. There's
a lot of emotion involved.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Right in just a horrible situation. And Texas Rangers.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Look, they're good and they're handling the investigation and they're
going to get to the bottom of all of this.
But I don't know what makes somebody kill their own
parents and their dogs and shoot a deputy in the
face and then kill themselves so they don't have to
face responsibilities.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
I wonder if it was he was trying to do
a suicide by cop and then he when he but
you know, when he opened fire or something. But either way,
God blessed those parents that suffered this. You know, that
had to be traumatic before their passing, and then the
people that love them now have to deal with losing
a whole family. Right, That's that's heavy.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Agreed.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Let's go to Louisiana and look, have you heard of
Sammy Kershaw?
Speaker 2 (12:53):
I have for me.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
I love him.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Back in the.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Early nineties to really the mid to late night he
was the bomb dot com in the country music world.
I mean Sammy Kershaw. Everybody loves Sammy Kershaw. Well, he's
in a little bit of trouble.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Oh what Sammy do?
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Well, let me tell you what Sammy did. According to
a news release, the former Louisiana lieutenant government candidate, which
a lot of people don't remember, he ran for lieutenant
governor of the state of Louisiana. He was on his
way to a show. This was in Lafayette at the
Lafayette Airport, and security stopped him and tsa flags his
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bag after finding a wayward firearm inside. The FBI gets
called into the action. Kershaw offers an innocent explanation before
the offense. He said, it was early. I was half awake,
clearly not thinking straight. He said, I've sang a lot
of songs about heartbreak and hard times. But forgetting to
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check my carry on for a loaded firearm, that's a
new one.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Yeah, that was his exact words.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Sammy Kershaw could have faced jail time and finds an
excess of ten thousand dollars for that firearm that he
said was a simple oversight. As it is now he
must pay five thousand dollars. That's an automatic fine, and
he's vowed to be more careful going forward. He said,
I guess it's safe to say I won't be packing
(14:20):
heat at my next show. He went on to say,
let this be your friendly public service announcement. Check your bags,
check them twice. Let's all stay safe out there. But
Sammy Kershaw caught with a gun in his bag, and
the police don't play when you're in an airport and
you get caught with a loaded firearm in your bag.
(14:42):
But look, that happens a lot with travel and people
forgetting just simply forgetting about a gun.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Well, if you carry one consistently, if that's like your
secondary thing, second nature thing, you carry a weapon with
you all the time. I'm not saying that he was
in anyway right, but I guess if it's just second
nature to you. I could see how you might just
inadvertently throw it in your bag, but not in an airport,
like come on, sammy, you know, and it was loaded.
It wasn't even like it was, you know, broken down
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or something or however. So yeah, that that was a
big screw up there. We were going one time, we
were flying to Vegas for a friend of ours wedding
and I had another friend of mine with me and
she was like sweating bullets while we were going through
the check okay, at the at the at the airport,
and I said, why are you so damn nervous? She said,
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oh my god, Oh my god, there's a thing in
my bag. Oh my god. I said, what is in
your bag? Because I automatically think drugs, you know, weapons,
And she is the most Christian, like good girl, Okay,
I mean when I tell you, tripping ball, she was tripping.
I said, what did you put in that in that luggage? Yes, yes,
(15:53):
she had bought this thing and she put it in there.
She goes, oh my god, if they find that magic rabbit,
Oh my god, if they find that magic rabbit. Because everybody,
you know, we're all going through together, and she's like
I'm gonna die. I'm gonna die. She bought it as
a as a you know, we know what an interesting
thing for her.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
You bought it an I go through adults do.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Have magic rabbits.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
And with that right, well, I'll tell you, you know
an interesting interview that I've always thought would be interesting
with someone that did baggage check for like twenty years
in an airport, wouldn't it be cool to sit down
with them and just talk about the stuff that they
have seen busted people with, et cetera over the years.
We need to do that work on that.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
We really do. We need to find Hey, do we
have anybody listening that.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Yeah, you don't even have to be local.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
If you're a baggage checked person from anywhere in the world,
we can talk to you.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
And do it remotely.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
How can they contact Just.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Send a message on on exposed or unspeakables.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Yeah, get on there and send us a message. You
were on Facebook and everything find us because I'm curious
now my mind wants to know.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Yeah, yeah, I'm curious too. That would be very very interesting.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
All right, let's go to Texas where we've got something
going on here. The social media and fitness influencer known
as the liver King was arrested in Austin, Texas. The
liver King, whose name is Brian Johnson, was taken into
custody on the evening of June twenty fourth, and is
now being held on a potential charge of making terroristic threats.
(17:23):
The liver King was featured on Untold The liver King
on Netflix. The liver King recently posted about Rogan talking
about Joe Rogan. Okay, Joe Rogan, like supposed to the
other famous Rogan. I'm an idiot, y'all Okay, he posted
about Rogan. Joe Rogan, I'm calling you out. My name's
liver King. Man de man. I'm picking a fight with you.
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I have no training in jiu jitsu. You're a black belt.
You should dismantle me. But I'm picking augh fight with you. Your rules.
I'll come to you whenever you're ready. End quote. It's
not clear whether the Rogan comments have anything to do
with the liver kings arrest, though.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Well, and a couple of things here, and this is
making big news, believe it or not, for several reasons.
But the first thing I'll say about this is Joe
Rogan will beat that ass on the liver King. Uh,
and are you familiar with who the liver King.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Is at all? Really?
Speaker 3 (18:16):
I love Rogan, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Okay, while I'm living, while I'm telling you about the
liver King, I want you to google liver king because
it's very important that you see what the liver King
looks like. Now, the liver King Kelly has made a
living off of eating liver wrong liver only.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
He's only eat.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Meat, kind of car for kind of guys ripped. Yeah, well,
he claimed he made a claim that he never did steroids.
Now he's he's fifty almost fifty something somewhere around there,
claims he's never taken steroids.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Joe Rogan said, you know what everybody knew, which was
that's bullshit. You're full of shit, you're the chemical kid. Well,
this pissed him off and led to those comments. Is
that really what terroristic threat? I don't know that the
liver King would was really serious in that. But Brah,
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you can't be threatening people and posting it online. Don't.
Technically that's that's a criminal charge.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
But I don't say that as a threat.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Beat somebody's ass. Oh, it's a total threat.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Yeah, I don't take it that way. I take this
as a guy who's trying to get his fifteen minutes
of fame.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
I didn't think he intended to threat. I didn't think
the intent to really beat his ass was there. But
you flip that if Joe Rugan wasn't somebody that could
take care of themselves, and you got to man that size, Yeah,
telling you I'm gonna beat your ass. I'm gonna come
to Austin and kick your ass. I mean, what are
you gonna do all?
Speaker 2 (19:43):
I be a little concerned about that.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
I'm not saying I would, but.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Well, he would beat my ass. Let's let's start there, Okay,
he would be men, I'll come to you whenever you're ready. Like,
I don't know, I get that they're gonna do it.
He's gonna plead this down if it has anything to
even do with that at all. And Joe Rogan, I'm
on to watch it is Joe.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Reagan would beat that breaks Yeah, anyway he beat him
to a piece of river.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Yeah, and terroristic threat. Seriously, we'll keep you posted.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
He's very ripped and very uh fake, which hey, you're fifty.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Man, and it's okay if you want to do a
little juice. He finally admitted it.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Look, why don't you get some. He probably did what
a lot of guys doing. And guys are gonna get
mad at me for this, but he's gonna claim me
as a low t.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Oh no, I T.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
I know, but that's still taking that's still going to
affect your your body physique. Okay, so I know, but
I'm just trt.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Yeah, all right, So let's go to Washington, okay, and
I'm gonna give you an update. Gosh, this story just
infuriates me because we can't get resolution on it. We've
covered this guy several times and I've got an update
on the Matt Decker story.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Still has not been caught, y'all.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
The Washington State father was wanted is wanted for the
killings of his three daughters, but now police are saying
he may no longer be alive in the remote wilderness,
and I would probably venture he's not. Travis Decker, thirty two,
as we told you, is accused of murdering his three daughters, Peyton, Evelyn,
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and Olivia. And the oldest of those three, Hall was
nine that's how disgusting this asshole was. After their bodies
were found near Decker's abandoned vehicle in a remote campground. Now,
in a statement released Monday night, the Sheriff's office revealed
that there is no certain evidence that Decker remains alive
or even in that area, but insists authorities are continuing
(21:47):
to search for him. Quote Seemingly strong early leads gave
way to less convincing proofs over the last two weeks
of searching. Still we can't and won't quit this search. Additionally,
authorities are set to deploy and this gives you a
good idea of their mindset.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
A cadaver dog quote.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
In some search resources are being redirected to find and
recovered Decker if he died in the rugged wilderness during
this intense search, adding that it is a possibility that
increases every day. So still looking for this guy, But
when they start deploying that cadaverdogs, they're not real confident
he's still alive. And luck you got you can only
(22:30):
go three days without food.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
So look, I'm about to sound like an asshole, but
I'll own it. I don't really care. I'm just appalled
that someone could go through such a decline. And I'm
saying that because I did look at photos of him
past to future, and you can see the visual decline
of this person taking better care of our military people
when they come home. You don't think it has anything
to do with that, No, not at all.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
I don't think you think you like kids because you're
not being taken care of.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
No, no, no, no, no no. I'm saying the mental health
I don't after deployment.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
But who's insinuating he wasn't taken care of this dude.
It's almost like you're giving him an out.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
No no, no, no, no, not at all. I'm just
saying in general, if the men, if there was a
decline mentally and this his wife or his ex wife
went to the courts multiple times and said that it
was alarming how bad he was declining, Yet nothing was
ever done and he was still given access to his children.
Like overall, I don't, I don't understand why more wasn't done.
The children should have never been put in that position
(23:32):
to begin with, like they were failed on.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
So many agree with that.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
You don't think the mental health decline has to do
with the with the military.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
I don't care.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
I don't think there's any excuse for what he did.
Whether he was mentally declined because of the military. I
think that there are hundreds of thousands of millions of
guys that served in the military that don't kill their kids.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Absolutely, but I children should have never.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Been in mentally you know, they're scarred, but they don't
kill their kids.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Absolutely. I agree with your hundred but so no.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
I don't think it had anything to do with it.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
I just don't understand, like those children should have never
been in his care. It was very clear the mother
was speaking up saying that he was declining, yet he
was homeless and still given access to these children, right.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
I mean, it's a pointed that I agree, that's all
that's hindsight, though Kelly his wife also said that he
had never done anything that would indicate this.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Ever.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Yeah, so if he's never done anything to any indicate it,
the police have no right to deny a dad access
to his children.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
If you don't have a house or anywhere to take
these children to properly eat and bathe and all that,
you don't need to have access to the children. There's
something wrong.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
But he wasn't taking them off.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
This was he had three hour visitations.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
We'll give it damn as a mother stand.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Yeah, but you know, fathers have rights too. There's a
lot of good fathers out there that do a lot
of things. And I agree with you that this guy
was a piece of ship. This is all hindsight. He
showed none of this, The wife said he had none
of this behavior.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
When he first came back.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Ever before this happened, he never touched a hair on
his kid's heads.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
According to the mother, there was no sign.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
So you think he just flipped a switch and went
from no problem to just major problem.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Kill kids. I don't know what the fuck he did.
I don't even want to.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
I'm not even trying to decipher his mind because I
can't decipher it.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
It makes absolutely Z Ray sense.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
I know.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
I'm a sure is what I'm saying. So I don't
give a shit if he's a live or dead is
kind of where I'm at. I don't like this should
have been avoided from the jump, like when he started
showing this, these these symptoms of like giving up his
life and not having a home and just roaming like
that's a sign.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
We're looking at this with the advantage of hindsight. Yeah,
at the time, this guy did not seem like he
would be someone that would ever be capable of doing.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Something like that.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Sadly, sometimes there's no way you could have stopped it.
There's nothing that makes any sense. Sh It just happens.
And I think this was one of those situations.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Even they keep they keep harping to in the news
about how he's got survival tactic training and all that,
I know, but like, I don't think he's got something
beyond you know, maybe when he's in his best closes.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Well you know, yeah, and even even if you have
you're an army ranger, okay, who are trained to live
in the most horrible conditions for a long time, which
he was not an army ranger. But even when you're that,
I mean, there's a limit. Yeah, there, you're gonna run
out of food. Eventually, you're gonna run.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
You know.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
They just have to guess, meet their due diligence.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
You would see movement, you would see camps, you would see.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
But they have to do their due diligence and make
sure that you know that the community is safe, excuse me,
So they have to they have to keep looking until.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
They you know that's right, And and they to find
bones or something if he's dead. I want them to
find and know that this guy is nowhere near walking free.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Yeah, and I'd be worried about that mom too, because
you don't know as far as safety too. You don't
know what his mindset, obviously true would be. Yeah, all right, Well,
what if we take a little gander to Florida. How
about that? Because Florida, Florida's handling business right now. A
man convicted of raping and killing a woman near a
central Florida bar was executed Tuesday evening. Thomas Lee Goudinas,
(27:34):
fifty one, was pronounced dead at six thirteen pm following
a lethal injection at Florida State Prison near Stark, said
Brian Griffin, a spokesman for Republican Governor Ron DeSantis. Hey, everyone,
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