In this episode of CrimeWire Weekly, hosts Jim Chapman and Kelly Jennings discuss a series of trending crime stories, including Bryan Kohberger’s Plea to the Murder of (4) in Idaho, In New York Sean Combs somehow manages to beat the federal government and a father jumps into the Gulf of America to save his daughter after falling off of a Disney Cruise Ship along with so much more today! (See topics below)
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01:33 Brian Koberger's Plea Deal
13:06 Verdicts returned in the Trial of Sean Combs.
26:32 Escalating Cartel Violence in Mexico
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- Bryan Kohberger pleads to murder of four in Idaho.
- Verdicts returned in the Trial of Sean Combs.
- Cartel violence leaves (20) dead in Mexico.
- Man drugs and smothers wife with dementia.
- South Carolina deputy shot and killed in an ambush.
- Child falls overboard and saved by father on Disney Cruise Line.
- Louisiana escapee Antoine Massey captured in New Orleans.
- Louisiana man steals ambulance in font of major Baton Rouge hospital .
- Suspect identified in Idaho fire fighters ambush.
- Why July 4th is the most violent day of the year.
01:33 Brian Koberger's Plea Deal
13:06 Verdicts returned in the Trial of Sean Combs.
26:32 Escalating Cartel Violence in Mexico
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, folks, we got a jam packed show for
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you today. Dominating the crime news this week, Brian Koberger
accepted a plea deal in the fatal stabbings of four
in Idaho. Some verdicts have been returned, well, all the
verdicts in this Sean Diddy Combs trial. We're going to
talk about that. A suspect has been identified in Idaho
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that killed himself after a firefighter and Bush. We're definitely
going to cover that. Cartel violence has left twenty dead
in Mexico. Some of these people hanging from a bridge.
You're gonna want to listen to this story. A man
drugs and smothers his wife in Arizona. The woman had
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dementia and she was in a nursing facility. South Carolina
had a deputy get shot in another ambush.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
This week, we're going to be covering.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
A child falls overboard on a Disney cruise line and
is saved by her father. We're going to cover that story.
Escapee Antoine Massey has finally been caught in New Orleans
and kJ loses a bet. We're gonna cover that. And
a Louisiana man has been caught after stealing an ambulance
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parked outside of a hospital. We're going to tell you
all about that wacky crime, and we're going to wrap
up with why July fourth is the most violent day
of the year. We got some really good insight on
why that is. So stick with us and welcome everyone
to Crime Wire Weekly. I'm Jim Chapman and I'm Kelly Jenny,
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And look, we switched it up a little bit this week.
Kelly and I told everybody kind of a little sypnosis
of all the headlines this week, so they know what
they're about to hear, kind of roll them in a
little bit maybe.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
And I'm like, hey, it's good to know what we're
about to get into. You get in the mindset and
you know what you got to deal with.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
That's exactly right.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
And this has been one wild week in the world
of crime. A lot of big stories have been just
fluttered through the internet.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Tragic stories too, like stories just out the box, wildness happening.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
You know, there's no doubt about it. Some stories that'll
just flat piss you off. And we're gonna let Kelly
start this off with one of those type of stories
right now.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Tell us Kelly, indeed, so we're gonna go to Idaho,
and if you have followed this case to date, you're
gonna probably understand our sentiment and where we're coming from.
If not, let's get into this. So Brian Coberger has
accepted a plea deal that will spare him the death
penalty in the slayings of four University of Ohio students
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in November of twenty twenty two. According to a letter
sent to the family's victims by prosecutors, Coburger is charged
with four counts of murder and the stabbings of Ethan Chapin,
Xana Kernodle, Madison Mogan, and Kaylee Gonzalvez, who were killed
at a home in Moscow, Idaho, during the early morning
hours of November thirteenth, twenty twenty two. In the letter,
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portions of which were shown by Mogan's father, Ben Mogen,
the county prosecutor's office says attorneys for Coburger requested a
plea deal, and Coburger accepted it. The letter says Coburger
agreed to plead guilty to all the counts against him
and that he would be sentenced to quote four consecutive
which means back to back life sentences on the four
murder counts and would waive all rights to appeal. The
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letter also says that if Coburger enters guilty, please as
expected at an upcoming hearing, we anticipate that this case
will be set for sentencing in late July. If the
defendant does not enter guilty, please as expected, we are
prepared to proceed to trial as planned. The family of
one of the other victims, Kaylee Gonsalves, also said they
received the letter about the plea deal. Coburger had been
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fighting the charges. His trial is expected to begin in August,
following several delays. The murders terrorized the community, and for
weeks the hunt for a suspect was shroud in mystery.
Coburger was arrested six weeks later at his parents' home
in Pennsylvania. According to the police affidavit, DNA evidence linked
him to a knife sheath found at the crime scene.
At the time of his arrest, Coburger was a PhD
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criminology student and teaching assistant at Washington State University's Pullham campus,
which is about fifteen minutes from the Moscow, Idaho area.
Ben Mogan said he was relieved to get the letter
about the plea deal, and this is a direct quote.
If you get a quick death sentence, then you know
you don't have to spend decades thinking about how terrible
you made the world. He said. We can actually put
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this behind us and not have these future dates and
future things that we don't want to have to be
at that we shouldn't have to be at, that have
to do with this terrible person, he said. We get
to just think about the rest of our lives and
have to try and figure out how to do it
without Maddie and without the rest of the kids. The
Consolvest family, however, said they are beyond furious at the
state of Idaho in a Facebook post shortly after the
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news broke. They have failed us. This was very unexpected,
they wrote. The family he said that the prosecutor's office
vaguely mentioned a possible plea on Friday without seeking our input,
and presented the plea on Sunday. The family has pushed
for Coburger to face the death penalty. The introduction of
this plea deal just weeks before the scheduled trial is
both shocking and cruel. Aubrey Consolvest, the youngest member of
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the family wrote, and a letter shared on Facebook, Brian
Coburger facing a life in prison means he would still
get to speak, form relationships and engage with the world. Meanwhile,
our loved ones have been silenced. In another statement released Tuesday,
the consolvist's family said they will not stop fighting for
the life that was stolen unjustly. We stand strong that
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it is not over until a plea is accepted. They wrote.
At a bare minimum, please require a full confession, full accountability,
location of the murder, weapon, confirmation the defendant acted alone,
and the true facts of what happened that night. Martin Diaz,
an attorney for the Coburger family, said in a statement
provided to CBS News Tuesday evening on behalf of the
family that in light of the recent developments, the coburg
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are asking members of the media for privacy, respect, and
responsible judgment. During this time, we will continue to allow
the legal process to unfold with respect to all parties,
and will not release any comments or take any questions.
The trial was originally going to be held in the
county where the murders occurred, but the judge later ordered
the trial to be moved over concerns the media coverage
and statements from local officials would make it impossible for
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Coburger to receive a fair trial. The Idaho Supreme Court
moved the proceedings to Boise. Coburger's defense team had previously
tried to remove the death penalty as a possible sentence
if he was convicted, but County Judge Stephen Hipler denied
their emotions. Back in November of twenty twenty four, among
the evidence prosecutors were planning to present was Coburger's Amazon
purchase history showing he bought a k bar knife with
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sheaf and sharpener, which they claimed match the sheath found
at the crime scene. Prosecutors also claimed touch DNA matching
DNA taken from Coburger was found on the sheath. The
defense tried to exclude the touch DNA evidence, but Hipler
denied that request. Prosecutors were also playing to present surveillance
video of Coburger's car and cell phone data that they
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said tied him to the vicinity of the killings. Last week,
the judge denied emotion by Coburger's lawyers to argue that
four alternate perpetrators could have committed the murders. The judge
called it rank speculation and said nothing links these individuals
to the homicides. So we have a clip for you
to listen to via News Nation of Kaylee Consolvas's father
reacting to the news of Coburger accepting this plea deal.
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Listen to the emotion here.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
But I wanted you to have your say. I wanted
you to be able to say out loud for everyone
to hear what this means to you and your family.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
This is anything but justice. This is the opposite of
our will. There was no majority believing that this was acceptable.
I want to honor all the police officers, the FBI,
and all the people that work their tail off. The
failure is at the court level of one percent, but
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the men in the boots on the ground and the
women we're out there working. I want to honor everything
that they did for our children. One the fault is
in leadership and the people that you place this evidence upon.
They they or week they decided to play god and
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decide what this man's decision should be.
Speaker 6 (08:24):
And not a journey, not a peers, not his peers.
They you know. So that's where we are today.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Walk me through what happened.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
Brian Innton. You know, did some really great reporting at
the top of this show here. But tell me from
your perspective how the last three days have played out.
Speaker 5 (08:47):
I would say, ever since Hippler has demanded an independent investigation,
they couldn't get away from this case fast enough. They've
done everything to make this case go away. So I
don't know what that entails. But he said he was
going to have an independent investigator, and all of a sudden,
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we seemed like we were on rails to get rid
of this case and make a plea deal. I mean,
he's guilty. We all know he's guilty. There's more than
enough evidence. But it's tough. It's tough to put a
community through this, and it could be bad for reputations
and business identities, and there's fallout.
Speaker 6 (09:31):
But this isn't the will of the victims.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
This is just one person making a decision and it
doesn't reflect what we were asking for.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
Steve, did anybody ever call you from the prosecutor's office
to just personally discuss this with you? Did anybody offer
to meet with you in person to go over this
potential plan.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
We have meetings all the time on particularly a lot
of times on Friday. No, no, no, we had this
regular meeting that we have to try and basically do
an update of what's going on where things are at.
Because Idaho is actually an amazing state where it really
does care about people. We just get one or two,
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you know, people who just don't care about the victims
and don't care about justice, and they.
Speaker 6 (10:26):
It's easy to take the weight out.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
It's easy to make an excuse and say I'm doing
this for the victims, even though I've never interviewed the victims,
I've never really talked to them to find out what
their true feelings are.
Speaker 6 (10:38):
So here we are.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
We're stuck.
Speaker 6 (10:41):
We're stuck, and we can't get out of it.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
I ask you, your audience, if anybody knows Judge Hitler,
reach out to him and ask him to put his
foot down and not accept this offer. It doesn't reflect
anything in Idaho.
Speaker 6 (10:58):
This is not justice.
Speaker 5 (10:59):
We had an outsider come to our community kill our
kids in their sleep while they're getting at college education
doing everything that they should do, and we don't have
the courage to hold him accountable. No, plea deal, Let's
go for this guy one hundred percent. Let's do it,
and that that's how that's how this family stands.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
See, I know that you know it's no secret your
daughter Kaylee was so close with Matty Mogan, best of friends,
and I know that you got to know the Mogan
family as well. Have you spoken with the Mogan family
and do you know what their reaction is to this
plea decision.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
We actually just had a meeting with the prosecution and
just tore into it and made it clear that we
were not in support of this. But we also invited
other families into that and I'll let them speak on.
Speaker 6 (11:57):
Their own that were part of that meeting, But we
are in no way alone on this.
Speaker 5 (12:03):
Multiple families believe the same as we do, but I
want to honor their abilities to speak independently and as
their child, So I don't want to cross that line.
But all I will say is there was no majority
for this decision at all.
Speaker 6 (12:22):
And if they're not working for us, they're working against us.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Guys.
Speaker 6 (12:27):
I mean, we have to wake up to this. I
mean we have to hold people accountable.
Speaker 5 (12:33):
Portal Aane just had our shooting where we attacked our firemens.
People need to stand up to these monsters and stop
fricking bounding down to them and giving them childcare. I mean,
prison is nothing but adult childcare. You get free vision,
you get free dental, you get free males, you get
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ac room and board, cable TV, internet access.
Speaker 6 (12:57):
It's ridiculous.
Speaker 5 (12:59):
What we give our prison better than what we treat
our Vietnam our vets, our vets coming back from war
with missing limbs.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
This is unacceptable, all right, Jim thoughts on that, What
do you think?
Speaker 1 (13:09):
I'm disgusted about this. When I first saw this, I assumed.
I assumed that this was the wishes of the family,
because you will see that sometimes with death penalty cases,
where a deal is made, and primarily it's that the
wishes of the family affected, and they don't want to relive, right,
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They don't want to relive that.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
And who am I to judge whether.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Someone should be made to relive the absolute fucking butchering
of their kid.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
So when I saw this, that was my thought.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Then the report started coming out, and come to find out,
not only was one family, but the majority of families
in this case were upset, very upset that this was
done essentially behind their back. They were made aware of it,
and it was their contention that they really had no
choice in the matter. So it makes me wonder, and
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I'm purely speculating here, it makes me wonder if some
of this evidence may have been attained in a not.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
So legal way. Let's just say.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
That maybe some of that familiar DNA they didn't really
have the right to go on someone's property and dig
through their trash and get without a warrant.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Or maybe they didn't have a warrant.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
I don't know, Maybe they did something is a mess
you talked about.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Maybe they didn't have good procedure whenever they got the
trash to get the DNA. Well, just if people aren't
familiar with this, you have a thing called curtilage, which
is going to be basically the area between your sidewalk
and the street. So when you bring your trash can
and you put it there to be picked up, that
in and of itself is not a protected area, and
you can collect things from curtilage to get the DNA.
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It's done all the time, and it's not frowned upon.
It's actually a procedure that's pretty you know, common.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Well, it has to be in a certain spot, right.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
I'm just saying, so, I mean, it's not like you're
stealing trash. I mean, if it's in a spot whatever.
So where I'm coming in on this altogether is we've
worked all this time, and I say we, as the
collective right, we trust in this process. We trust that
you're going to do a bang up job. We found
the guy. There's no doubt in majority of people's minds
whether he did it or not. Now it's coming down
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to what should a penalty look like. And my personal
opinion is that conviction does not equal justice. And I'm
saying that through through the scope of being a victim,
because just because someone is convicted, for example, and let's
say they went to jail for not for this case,
but let's say you go to jail for you know,
thirty days for something that you did that doesn't fix
what you did to me, that doesn't undo what you
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did to me, and then begs the question, Okay, what
do you want to do? Well in this case specifically,
this is exactly what the death penalty is for. It's
for cases like this. If this does not qualify, nothing
would qualify for a death penalty case. And the death
penalty should not be a bargaining chip for prosecutors who
I feel lack of backbone. Right now, they're getting that
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easy conviction that shows a win on his record, which,
by the way, the prosecutor is going to retire after
this from what I read. So you get this easy
conviction and then he doesn't have to say a lot
of anything. He really doesn't. If he could confesses great,
we already know that. No shit, shear a lot. These
families want some semblance of why why did you do this?
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What could draw you here? And all he has to
do is say, yeah, I did it. We already know that.
He knows that. He held out to the very end
because the death penalty was on the table. He waited
to see if he was going to get any type
of plea deal from the prosecution, which he did not
get offered from the prosecution to come in and say, hey,
well why don't we do this, that and the other.
Then he became a total chicken shit and wanted to
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come up with this fake oh there might have been
other people that did it, which tells me he's a
fucking liar. And then after that gets shot down, then
the prosecution turns around and offers a plea deal without
notifying the family ahead of time, so that they can
get the win. This is not a win as far
as families are concerned. There is no winning. The families
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will never win. What this was was that his life
should be put on the line. And I'm gonna add
one more thing to that. People came after me on
TikTok okay because I made a TikTok about this one,
and they're like, well, I just have to disagree with you.
You know, life in prison, the family doesn't have to worry.
Blah blah blah blah blah. Well, let's go back to
what that little sister said, because she nailed it. Because
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as a person who has worked at a maximum security
penitentiary where there is death row and there is population
prisoners alike, population prisoners still have a life. They can
talk to their families, they can watch TV, they can
play games, they can make hobbycraft for example where we are,
and they can sell it out a rodeo. I'm not
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saying he's coming here, but I'm just giving you an example.
They can be a part of thing. They continue to study,
they can do schooling, They can do a lot of
things and build a life in prison. It may not
be ideal, but it's still a life. The death row experience,
and I want listeners to hear me on this. The
death row experience is a motherfucker. They are locked down
twenty three hours a day. They are allowed one hour
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out to walk, a tear or go outside weather permitting,
in a cage. It is a miserable life. Miserable and
giving him I don't give it care. If you give
him a hundred life sentences, he still gets to have
a life. And it's as a parent, a side with
the dad on this and a side with the sister.
It's a cop out.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
And we know now that he killed these four people.
And I want everybody to hear this clip. This is
the plead from Brian Coburger actually pleading to all.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Four deaths as guilty.
Speaker 7 (19:02):
Here's that Therefore, with respect to count one burglary felony,
how do you plead, mister Colberger guilty or not guilty
guilty as to count two murder in the first degree
as it relates to the murder of Madison Mogan.
Speaker 6 (19:17):
How do you plead guilty or not guilty guilty as to.
Speaker 7 (19:20):
Count three as it relates to murder in the first
degree for the murder of Kaylee Gonsalvez.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
How do you plead guilty?
Speaker 7 (19:26):
You're not guilty guilty as to count four, the first
degree murder of Xana Cernodle, pardon me, human being? How
do you plead guilty or not guilty guilty as to
count five? The first degree murder of Ethan Chapin, human being?
How do you plead guilty or not guilty?
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Guilty?
Speaker 1 (19:46):
You just heard that clip, and no matter what you
think in this case, you just heard a guy plead
to the murders of four people. And Kelly's right. He
gets to live and they don't, and the family didn't
like it. It's very upsetting to me. I'm obviously very
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upsetting to Kelly. It's disgusting.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
I'll say this. I try to put myself in other
people's shoes. I do. And my heart also hurts for
the Coburger family, like the parents, because they didn't do this.
You know, they're in a bad position too. It seems
like they're respectful. They said, we're just not going to
say anything. You know, nothing they could say anyway would
be well taken.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
They will get their day in court and they will
get to look this asshole in the face and tell
him what they think about him because during the sentencing,
what do we have.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Kelly, what's it called victim impact statement?
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Victim impact statements? And in those victim impact statements, I
can't wait for him. I can't wait for these people
to get the opportunity to look this guy in the
face and tell him what a monster he is.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
And I hope that they are given ample time.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Let's move on.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
To New York City and we're going to talk about. Wow,
the case maybe the trial of all trials so far
in this century, and that is Sean Diddy Combs, who
was found not guilty of racketeering and sex trafficking. He
was convicted of some lesser charges. And when I say lesser,
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I mean lesser.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Of all the charges he could be convicted of.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Those were the ones he wanted to get convicted of,
if he had to be convicted of anything. Of course,
the global hip hop titan, whose federal trial unveiled harrowing
testimony that accused him of sexual abuse against women and
forced drug dazed freak offs, was acquitted just Wednesday on racketeering, conspiracy,
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and sex trafficking. Now, the Jersey's verdict was delivered on
the third day of deliberations. Uh, they found did he
not guilty of one count of racketeering conspiracy in two
counts of sex trafficking by force, fraud or coercion, but
they did find him guilty two counts of transportation to
engage in prostitution.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
This verdict, as I.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Told you, it's seen as a win for Combs and
his defense team, which they did not call a single
witness during the seven week trial. And after the verdict
was read, his family stood in the background clapping and cheering.
Comes then fell to his knees in prayer. As he
left the court room, he told his family, thank you,
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I love you. Teeny Gerges, one of Comb's attorneys, actually
broke out in tears. His lead attorney, Mark Agnafillo, he
made a fist in triumph as the defense team hugged
each other and hugged his family, And it really made
me think about the I was just about as disgusted
as when the oj Simpson trial took place. And Johnny Cochran, who,
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regardless of what you think of Johnny Cochrane, probably the
best attorney I've ever seen it relating to a jury,
that Sucker could just talk to people. Man, he was
extremely talented as a defense attorney. But when they announced
the not guilty plea in the oj Simpson trial, the
first thing you heard was a shriek and a bunch
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of crying from the sister of Ron Goldman, who was
you know.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Murdered brutally.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
And the second thing you see is Johnny Crockran scream
yes and pat Oj on the shoulder. And look, there
was no celebration there. Everybody knew Oja did it. But
even if you're excited about a win, how could you
do that with somebody in the audience screaming and crying
because her brother did not get justice.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
I will never understand.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Now, to clear it up quickly, Combs is still facing
considerable prison time at sentencing the prostitution transportation charge, so
he could get twenty years with those two counts. And
I want to say this, initially yesterday when this verdict
came down, I was not surprised. I did not feel
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like they proved beyond a reasonable doubt the counts that
they needed to prove.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
I didn't.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
I'm not saying I agree with them. I'm saying the
prosecution did not prove that beyond a reasonable doubt the
ones he was convicted of I agree with I assumed
initially he wasn't going to do any jail time, But
something shocking, in my opinion, happened yesterday. The defense attorney
basically said, all right, you know it's time for him
to get out of jail until sentencing, considering he's only
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charged with two minor counts in comparison to what he's
facing life in prison. And he judge said, nope, he's
not getting out of jail till his sentencing.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
That told me something.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
They got the red ass for Shawn Combs, and I
think that Shawn Combs is going to do every day
of that twenty years. I think they're going to sendence
him to the max. In both cases. I think they're
pissed that they lost this case. The prosecution certainly is
going to ask for the max of twenty years. And
in this trial, you heard the defense team own the
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fact that Sean Combs was a abuser of women, a
physical abuser, and they said that in court we own
that we can't get away with that he beats women. Well,
in a court of law, you're supposed to have a
blindfold and you're supposed to ignore all these other circumstances
that aren't necessarily part of what you're getting prosecuted with.
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But we're also human, and I guarantee you that judge,
he won't he didn't like that.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
How many how many he's.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Gonna make paid?
Speaker 3 (25:36):
How many years has did he been behind bars? About
a year a waiting trial?
Speaker 2 (25:40):
All right?
Speaker 3 (25:41):
So worst situation imaginable is they do them consecutively, which
would be the full twenty years. Then they're going to
give him credit for the year time serve, which means
he would serve nineteen. Now what happens here is they
can give him good time for that, which means if
basically you're good, then they'll knock time off of your sentence.
So they also offer things called double good time. So
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what you could do on average is you could divide
it in half and say, you know, at least he
would spend half of that. So what's half of nineteen?
Speaker 2 (26:13):
What is that?
Speaker 3 (26:14):
It's like nine and yeah, nine nine, it'd be like
nine something. So that would be, in my opinion, worst
case scenario, which is unbelievable. I have seen people do
fifteen to twenty years for much less, in my opinion,
in the whole totality, of this case. But the judge
could also say, no, I'm gonna sentence you to max,
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but we're gonna run them concurrently, which means they would
run at the same time, which means it's a ten
year flat sentence. But again, he can be getting that
good time and he'd.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Be out less than five which was my first inclination.
But the fact that he made him stay in jail
makes me think they're gonna they're gonna send him to
some pretty hard time. Now let me let me flip
what you said just a little bit, ok, some perspective
on it. We all know did He's a piece of
shit and he needs to be in jail the rest
of his life for all the stuff he wasn't convicted.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Of, and to protect people in the future, honestly, because
he's correct.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
So I'm not defending did He here. But what I'm
doing is I'm taking Diddy out of the equation and
I'm giving.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
You the charges he was convicted of.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
He was basically convicted of paying prostitutes to get on
a plane come to him and have a freak off
with him and his girlfriend right when it's.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
All said and done.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
That's most people that get caught with prostitutes do no
jail time none. If it was someone that was just
a normal person and they were being charged with this,
If maybe they got online and flew someone from Las
Vegas and in Louisiana for the purpose of prostitution, that
same charge he got, I don't see anybody really getting
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ten years for that in normal circumstances. So if he
ends up with just what you said, nine years, let's say,
in prison for two instances of flying someone in to
have sex with him and his girlfriend, I would say
that's pretty hard time for those charges. Doesn't mean he
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doesn't deserve life for all the other stuff, but he
was not found guilty of it.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
But hence why the judge has discretion here? And can
you know minimum to max? I know this, a whole
lot of people didn't testify, and that has to make
a defense team that doesn't bring one witness, not one.
Isn't that what you just said?
Speaker 2 (28:29):
None?
Speaker 3 (28:30):
None? On what planet could you not put one person
up without worrying what they might say on really really
weigh that.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Well? In hindsight, it seems like the right call.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
It was, obviously, but you don't trust people enough that
favorable witness that people that would come for your favor.
What it tells me is they were much more afraid
of the cross and what might get brought up on
that on that you know that, and.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
You didn't even have character like his mother didn't get
called up to speak as a character witness for Dinny.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
Because his mama wouldn't have outweighed everything they had already seen.
Speaker 5 (29:13):
It was.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
It was fruitless and all it would do was in essence,
you know, piss people off more that. Okay, of course
you brought your mama up, bring somebody else up. So
it's strategically smart, in my opinion, not bring anybody versus
bringing people inherently that would protect you. There's a whole
lot of people breathing a sigh of relief, I would say.
In the celebrity realm.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
I would agree.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
And if you beat the feds, wow, yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
That's me. That that's the big thing.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
Conventional unlimited resources, unlimited ability to do to go after you,
and you walk on, you know, in essence, So let's see.
I do hope you get some time, and I hope
it's some solid time.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
I think it will.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
I think it will be hearned it.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
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All right, folks, we got a jam packed show for
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you today. Dominating the crime news this week, Brian Koberger
accepted a plea deal in the fatal stabbings of four
in Idaho. Some verdicts have been returned, well, all the
verdicts in this Sean Diddy Combs trial. We're going to
talk about that. A suspect has been identified in Idaho
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that killed himself after a firefighter and Bush. We're definitely
going to cover that. Cartel violence has left twenty dead
in Mexico. Some of these people hanging from a bridge.
You're gonna want to listen to this story. A man
drugs and smothers his wife in Arizona. The woman had
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dementia and she was in a nursing facility. South Carolina
had a deputy get shot in another ambush.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
This week, we're going to be covering.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
A child falls overboard on a Disney cruise line and
is saved by her father. We're going to cover that story.
Escapee Antoine Massey has finally been caught in New Orleans
and kJ loses a bet. We're gonna cover that. And
a Louisiana man has been caught after stealing an ambulance
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parked outside of a hospital. We're going to tell you
all about that wacky crime, and we're going to wrap
up with why July fourth is the most violent day
of the year. We got some really good insight on
why that is. So stick with us and welcome everyone
to Crime Wire Weekly. I'm Jim Chapman and I'm Kelly Jenny,
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And look, we switched it up a little bit this week.
Kelly and I told everybody kind of a little sypnosis
of all the headlines this week, so they know what
they're about to hear, kind of roll them in a
little bit maybe.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
And I'm like, hey, it's good to know what we're
about to get into. You get in the mindset and
you know what you got to deal with.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
That's exactly right.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
And this has been one wild week in the world
of crime. A lot of big stories have been just
fluttered through the internet.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Tragic stories too, like stories just out the box, wildness happening.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
You know, there's no doubt about it. Some stories that'll
just flat piss you off. And we're gonna let Kelly
start this off with one of those type of stories
right now.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Tell us Kelly, indeed, so we're gonna go to Idaho,
and if you have followed this case to date, you're
gonna probably understand our sentiment and where we're coming from.
If not, let's get into this. So Brian Coberger has
accepted a plea deal that will spare him the death
penalty in the slayings of four University of Ohio students
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in November of twenty twenty two. According to a letter
sent to the family's victims by prosecutors, Coburger is charged
with four counts of murder and the stabbings of Ethan Chapin,
Xana Kernodle, Madison Mogan, and Kaylee Gonzalvez, who were killed
at a home in Moscow, Idaho, during the early morning
hours of November thirteenth, twenty twenty two. In the letter,
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portions of which were shown by Mogan's father, Ben Mogen,
the county prosecutor's office says attorneys for Coburger requested a
plea deal, and Coburger accepted it. The letter says Coburger
agreed to plead guilty to all the counts against him
and that he would be sentenced to quote four consecutive
which means back to back life sentences on the four
murder counts and would waive all rights to appeal. The
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letter also says that if Coburger enters guilty, please as
expected at an upcoming hearing, we anticipate that this case
will be set for sentencing in late July. If the
defendant does not enter guilty, please as expected, we are
prepared to proceed to trial as planned. The family of
one of the other victims, Kaylee Gonsalves, also said they
received the letter about the plea deal. Coburger had been
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fighting the charges. His trial is expected to begin in August,
following several delays. The murders terrorized the community, and for
weeks the hunt for a suspect was shroud in mystery.
Coburger was arrested six weeks later at his parents' home
in Pennsylvania. According to the police affidavit, DNA evidence linked
him to a knife sheath found at the crime scene.
At the time of his arrest, Coburger was a PhD
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criminology student and teaching assistant at Washington State University's Pullham campus,
which is about fifteen minutes from the Moscow, Idaho area.
Ben Mogan said he was relieved to get the letter
about the plea deal, and this is a direct quote.
If you get a quick death sentence, then you know
you don't have to spend decades thinking about how terrible
you made the world. He said. We can actually put
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this behind us and not have these future dates and
future things that we don't want to have to be
at that we shouldn't have to be at, that have
to do with this terrible person, he said. We get
to just think about the rest of our lives and
have to try and figure out how to do it
without Maddie and without the rest of the kids. The
Consolvest family, however, said they are beyond furious at the
state of Idaho in a Facebook post shortly after the
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news broke. They have failed us. This was very unexpected,
they wrote. The family he said that the prosecutor's office
vaguely mentioned a possible plea on Friday without seeking our input,
and presented the plea on Sunday. The family has pushed
for Coburger to face the death penalty. The introduction of
this plea deal just weeks before the scheduled trial is
both shocking and cruel. Aubrey Consolvest, the youngest member of
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the family wrote, and a letter shared on Facebook, Brian
Coburger facing a life in prison means he would still
get to speak, form relationships and engage with the world. Meanwhile,
our loved ones have been silenced. In another statement released Tuesday,
the consolvist's family said they will not stop fighting for
the life that was stolen unjustly. We stand strong that
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it is not over until a plea is accepted. They wrote.
At a bare minimum, please require a full confession, full accountability,
location of the murder, weapon, confirmation the defendant acted alone,
and the true facts of what happened that night. Martin Diaz,
an attorney for the Coburger family, said in a statement
provided to CBS News Tuesday evening on behalf of the
family that in light of the recent developments, the coburg
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are asking members of the media for privacy, respect, and
responsible judgment. During this time, we will continue to allow
the legal process to unfold with respect to all parties,
and will not release any comments or take any questions.
The trial was originally going to be held in the
county where the murders occurred, but the judge later ordered
the trial to be moved over concerns the media coverage
and statements from local officials would make it impossible for
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Coburger to receive a fair trial. The Idaho Supreme Court
moved the proceedings to Boise. Coburger's defense team had previously
tried to remove the death penalty as a possible sentence
if he was convicted, but County Judge Stephen Hipler denied
their emotions. Back in November of twenty twenty four, among
the evidence prosecutors were planning to present was Coburger's Amazon
purchase history showing he bought a k bar knife with
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sheaf and sharpener, which they claimed match the sheath found
at the crime scene. Prosecutors also claimed touch DNA matching
DNA taken from Coburger was found on the sheath. The
defense tried to exclude the touch DNA evidence, but Hipler
denied that request. Prosecutors were also playing to present surveillance
video of Coburger's car and cell phone data that they
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said tied him to the vicinity of the killings. Last week,
the judge denied emotion by Coburger's lawyers to argue that
four alternate perpetrators could have committed the murders. The judge
called it rank speculation and said nothing links these individuals
to the homicides. So we have a clip for you
to listen to via News Nation of Kaylee Consolvas's father
reacting to the news of Coburger accepting this plea deal.
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Listen to the emotion here.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
But I wanted you to have your say. I wanted
you to be able to say out loud for everyone
to hear what this means to you and your family.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
This is anything but justice. This is the opposite of
our will. There was no majority believing that this was acceptable.
I want to honor all the police officers, the FBI,
and all the people that work their tail off. The
failure is at the court level of one percent, but
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the men in the boots on the ground and the
women we're out there working. I want to honor everything
that they did for our children. One the fault is
in leadership and the people that you place this evidence upon.
They they or week they decided to play god and
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decide what this man's decision should be.
Speaker 6 (08:24):
And not a journey, not a peers, not his peers.
They you know. So that's where we are today.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Walk me through what happened.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
Brian Innton. You know, did some really great reporting at
the top of this show here. But tell me from
your perspective how the last three days have played out.
Speaker 5 (08:47):
I would say, ever since Hippler has demanded an independent investigation,
they couldn't get away from this case fast enough. They've
done everything to make this case go away. So I
don't know what that entails. But he said he was
going to have an independent investigator, and all of a sudden,
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we seemed like we were on rails to get rid
of this case and make a plea deal. I mean,
he's guilty. We all know he's guilty. There's more than
enough evidence. But it's tough. It's tough to put a
community through this, and it could be bad for reputations
and business identities, and there's fallout.
Speaker 6 (09:31):
But this isn't the will of the victims.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
This is just one person making a decision and it
doesn't reflect what we were asking for.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
Steve, did anybody ever call you from the prosecutor's office
to just personally discuss this with you? Did anybody offer
to meet with you in person to go over this
potential plan.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
We have meetings all the time on particularly a lot
of times on Friday. No, no, no, we had this
regular meeting that we have to try and basically do
an update of what's going on where things are at.
Because Idaho is actually an amazing state where it really
does care about people. We just get one or two,
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you know, people who just don't care about the victims
and don't care about justice, and they.
Speaker 6 (10:26):
It's easy to take the weight out.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
It's easy to make an excuse and say I'm doing
this for the victims, even though I've never interviewed the victims,
I've never really talked to them to find out what
their true feelings are.
Speaker 6 (10:38):
So here we are.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
We're stuck.
Speaker 6 (10:41):
We're stuck, and we can't get out of it.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
I ask you, your audience, if anybody knows Judge Hitler,
reach out to him and ask him to put his
foot down and not accept this offer. It doesn't reflect
anything in Idaho.
Speaker 6 (10:58):
This is not justice.
Speaker 5 (10:59):
We had an outsider come to our community kill our
kids in their sleep while they're getting at college education
doing everything that they should do, and we don't have
the courage to hold him accountable. No, plea deal, Let's
go for this guy one hundred percent. Let's do it,
and that that's how that's how this family stands.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
See, I know that you know it's no secret your
daughter Kaylee was so close with Matty Mogan, best of friends,
and I know that you got to know the Mogan
family as well. Have you spoken with the Mogan family
and do you know what their reaction is to this
plea decision.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
We actually just had a meeting with the prosecution and
just tore into it and made it clear that we
were not in support of this. But we also invited
other families into that and I'll let them speak on.
Speaker 6 (11:57):
Their own that were part of that meeting, But we
are in no way alone on this.
Speaker 5 (12:03):
Multiple families believe the same as we do, but I
want to honor their abilities to speak independently and as
their child, So I don't want to cross that line.
But all I will say is there was no majority
for this decision at all.
Speaker 6 (12:22):
And if they're not working for us, they're working against us.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Guys.
Speaker 6 (12:27):
I mean, we have to wake up to this. I
mean we have to hold people accountable.
Speaker 5 (12:33):
Portal Aane just had our shooting where we attacked our firemens.
People need to stand up to these monsters and stop
fricking bounding down to them and giving them childcare. I mean,
prison is nothing but adult childcare. You get free vision,
you get free dental, you get free males, you get
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ac room and board, cable TV, internet access.
Speaker 6 (12:57):
It's ridiculous.
Speaker 5 (12:59):
What we give our prison better than what we treat
our Vietnam our vets, our vets coming back from war
with missing limbs.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
This is unacceptable, all right, Jim thoughts on that, What
do you think?
Speaker 1 (13:09):
I'm disgusted about this. When I first saw this, I assumed.
I assumed that this was the wishes of the family,
because you will see that sometimes with death penalty cases,
where a deal is made, and primarily it's that the
wishes of the family affected, and they don't want to relive, right,
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They don't want to relive that.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
And who am I to judge whether.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Someone should be made to relive the absolute fucking butchering
of their kid.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
So when I saw this, that was my thought.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Then the report started coming out, and come to find out,
not only was one family, but the majority of families
in this case were upset, very upset that this was
done essentially behind their back. They were made aware of it,
and it was their contention that they really had no
choice in the matter. So it makes me wonder, and
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I'm purely speculating here, it makes me wonder if some
of this evidence may have been attained in a not.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
So legal way. Let's just say.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
That maybe some of that familiar DNA they didn't really
have the right to go on someone's property and dig
through their trash and get without a warrant.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Or maybe they didn't have a warrant.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
I don't know, Maybe they did something is a mess
you talked about.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Maybe they didn't have good procedure whenever they got the
trash to get the DNA. Well, just if people aren't
familiar with this, you have a thing called curtilage, which
is going to be basically the area between your sidewalk
and the street. So when you bring your trash can
and you put it there to be picked up, that
in and of itself is not a protected area, and
you can collect things from curtilage to get the DNA.
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It's done all the time, and it's not frowned upon.
It's actually a procedure that's pretty you know, common.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Well, it has to be in a certain spot, right.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
I'm just saying, so, I mean, it's not like you're
stealing trash. I mean, if it's in a spot whatever.
So where I'm coming in on this altogether is we've
worked all this time, and I say we, as the
collective right, we trust in this process. We trust that
you're going to do a bang up job. We found
the guy. There's no doubt in majority of people's minds
whether he did it or not. Now it's coming down
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to what should a penalty look like. And my personal
opinion is that conviction does not equal justice. And I'm
saying that through through the scope of being a victim,
because just because someone is convicted, for example, and let's
say they went to jail for not for this case,
but let's say you go to jail for you know,
thirty days for something that you did that doesn't fix
what you did to me, that doesn't undo what you
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did to me, and then begs the question, Okay, what
do you want to do? Well in this case specifically,
this is exactly what the death penalty is for. It's
for cases like this. If this does not qualify, nothing
would qualify for a death penalty case. And the death
penalty should not be a bargaining chip for prosecutors who
I feel lack of backbone. Right now, they're getting that
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easy conviction that shows a win on his record, which,
by the way, the prosecutor is going to retire after
this from what I read. So you get this easy
conviction and then he doesn't have to say a lot
of anything. He really doesn't. If he could confesses great,
we already know that. No shit, shear a lot. These
families want some semblance of why why did you do this?
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What could draw you here? And all he has to
do is say, yeah, I did it. We already know that.
He knows that. He held out to the very end
because the death penalty was on the table. He waited
to see if he was going to get any type
of plea deal from the prosecution, which he did not
get offered from the prosecution to come in and say, hey,
well why don't we do this, that and the other.
Then he became a total chicken shit and wanted to
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come up with this fake oh there might have been
other people that did it, which tells me he's a
fucking liar. And then after that gets shot down, then
the prosecution turns around and offers a plea deal without
notifying the family ahead of time, so that they can
get the win. This is not a win as far
as families are concerned. There is no winning. The families
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will never win. What this was was that his life
should be put on the line. And I'm gonna add
one more thing to that. People came after me on
TikTok okay because I made a TikTok about this one,
and they're like, well, I just have to disagree with you.
You know, life in prison, the family doesn't have to worry.
Blah blah blah blah blah. Well, let's go back to
what that little sister said, because she nailed it. Because
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as a person who has worked at a maximum security
penitentiary where there is death row and there is population
prisoners alike, population prisoners still have a life. They can
talk to their families, they can watch TV, they can
play games, they can make hobbycraft for example where we are,
and they can sell it out a rodeo. I'm not
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saying he's coming here, but I'm just giving you an example.
They can be a part of thing. They continue to study,
they can do schooling, They can do a lot of
things and build a life in prison. It may not
be ideal, but it's still a life. The death row experience,
and I want listeners to hear me on this. The
death row experience is a motherfucker. They are locked down
twenty three hours a day. They are allowed one hour
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out to walk, a tear or go outside weather permitting,
in a cage. It is a miserable life. Miserable and
giving him I don't give it care. If you give
him a hundred life sentences, he still gets to have
a life. And it's as a parent, a side with
the dad on this and a side with the sister.
It's a cop out.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
And we know now that he killed these four people.
And I want everybody to hear this clip. This is
the plead from Brian Coburger actually pleading to all.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Four deaths as guilty.
Speaker 7 (19:02):
Here's that Therefore, with respect to count one burglary felony,
how do you plead, mister Colberger guilty or not guilty
guilty as to count two murder in the first degree
as it relates to the murder of Madison Mogan.
Speaker 6 (19:17):
How do you plead guilty or not guilty guilty as to.
Speaker 7 (19:20):
Count three as it relates to murder in the first
degree for the murder of Kaylee Gonsalvez.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
How do you plead guilty?
Speaker 7 (19:26):
You're not guilty guilty as to count four, the first
degree murder of Xana Cernodle, pardon me, human being? How
do you plead guilty or not guilty guilty as to
count five? The first degree murder of Ethan Chapin, human being?
How do you plead guilty or not guilty?
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Guilty?
Speaker 1 (19:46):
You just heard that clip, and no matter what you
think in this case, you just heard a guy plead
to the murders of four people. And Kelly's right. He
gets to live and they don't, and the family didn't
like it. It's very upsetting to me. I'm obviously very
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upsetting to Kelly. It's disgusting.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
I'll say this. I try to put myself in other
people's shoes. I do. And my heart also hurts for
the Coburger family, like the parents, because they didn't do this.
You know, they're in a bad position too. It seems
like they're respectful. They said, we're just not going to
say anything. You know, nothing they could say anyway would
be well taken.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
They will get their day in court and they will
get to look this asshole in the face and tell
him what they think about him because during the sentencing,
what do we have.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Kelly, what's it called victim impact statement?
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Victim impact statements? And in those victim impact statements, I
can't wait for him. I can't wait for these people
to get the opportunity to look this guy in the
face and tell him what a monster he is.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
And I hope that they are given ample time.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Let's move on.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
To New York City and we're going to talk about. Wow,
the case maybe the trial of all trials so far
in this century, and that is Sean Diddy Combs, who
was found not guilty of racketeering and sex trafficking. He
was convicted of some lesser charges. And when I say lesser,
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I mean lesser.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Of all the charges he could be convicted of.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Those were the ones he wanted to get convicted of,
if he had to be convicted of anything. Of course,
the global hip hop titan, whose federal trial unveiled harrowing
testimony that accused him of sexual abuse against women and
forced drug dazed freak offs, was acquitted just Wednesday on racketeering, conspiracy,
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and sex trafficking. Now, the Jersey's verdict was delivered on
the third day of deliberations. Uh, they found did he
not guilty of one count of racketeering conspiracy in two
counts of sex trafficking by force, fraud or coercion, but
they did find him guilty two counts of transportation to
engage in prostitution.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
This verdict, as I.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Told you, it's seen as a win for Combs and
his defense team, which they did not call a single
witness during the seven week trial. And after the verdict
was read, his family stood in the background clapping and cheering.
Comes then fell to his knees in prayer. As he
left the court room, he told his family, thank you,
(22:26):
I love you. Teeny Gerges, one of Comb's attorneys, actually
broke out in tears. His lead attorney, Mark Agnafillo, he
made a fist in triumph as the defense team hugged
each other and hugged his family, And it really made
me think about the I was just about as disgusted
as when the oj Simpson trial took place. And Johnny Cochran, who,
(22:50):
regardless of what you think of Johnny Cochrane, probably the
best attorney I've ever seen it relating to a jury,
that Sucker could just talk to people. Man, he was
extremely talented as a defense attorney. But when they announced
the not guilty plea in the oj Simpson trial, the
first thing you heard was a shriek and a bunch
(23:11):
of crying from the sister of Ron Goldman, who was
you know.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Murdered brutally.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
And the second thing you see is Johnny Crockran scream
yes and pat Oj on the shoulder. And look, there
was no celebration there. Everybody knew Oja did it. But
even if you're excited about a win, how could you
do that with somebody in the audience screaming and crying
because her brother did not get justice.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
I will never understand.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Now, to clear it up quickly, Combs is still facing
considerable prison time at sentencing the prostitution transportation charge, so
he could get twenty years with those two counts. And
I want to say this, initially yesterday when this verdict
came down, I was not surprised. I did not feel
(24:01):
like they proved beyond a reasonable doubt the counts that
they needed to prove.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
I didn't.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
I'm not saying I agree with them. I'm saying the
prosecution did not prove that beyond a reasonable doubt the
ones he was convicted of I agree with I assumed
initially he wasn't going to do any jail time, But
something shocking, in my opinion, happened yesterday. The defense attorney
basically said, all right, you know it's time for him
to get out of jail until sentencing, considering he's only
(24:31):
charged with two minor counts in comparison to what he's
facing life in prison. And he judge said, nope, he's
not getting out of jail till his sentencing.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
That told me something.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
They got the red ass for Shawn Combs, and I
think that Shawn Combs is going to do every day
of that twenty years. I think they're going to sendence
him to the max. In both cases. I think they're
pissed that they lost this case. The prosecution certainly is
going to ask for the max of twenty years. And
in this trial, you heard the defense team own the
(25:05):
fact that Sean Combs was a abuser of women, a
physical abuser, and they said that in court we own
that we can't get away with that he beats women. Well,
in a court of law, you're supposed to have a
blindfold and you're supposed to ignore all these other circumstances
that aren't necessarily part of what you're getting prosecuted with.
(25:28):
But we're also human, and I guarantee you that judge,
he won't he didn't like that.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
How many how many he's.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Gonna make paid?
Speaker 3 (25:36):
How many years has did he been behind bars? About
a year a waiting trial?
Speaker 2 (25:40):
All right?
Speaker 3 (25:41):
So worst situation imaginable is they do them consecutively, which
would be the full twenty years. Then they're going to
give him credit for the year time serve, which means
he would serve nineteen. Now what happens here is they
can give him good time for that, which means if
basically you're good, then they'll knock time off of your sentence.
So they also offer things called double good time. So
(26:04):
what you could do on average is you could divide
it in half and say, you know, at least he
would spend half of that. So what's half of nineteen?
Speaker 2 (26:13):
What is that?
Speaker 3 (26:14):
It's like nine and yeah, nine nine, it'd be like
nine something. So that would be, in my opinion, worst
case scenario, which is unbelievable. I have seen people do
fifteen to twenty years for much less, in my opinion,
in the whole totality, of this case. But the judge
could also say, no, I'm gonna sentence you to max,
(26:37):
but we're gonna run them concurrently, which means they would
run at the same time, which means it's a ten
year flat sentence. But again, he can be getting that
good time and he'd.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Be out less than five which was my first inclination.
But the fact that he made him stay in jail
makes me think they're gonna they're gonna send him to
some pretty hard time. Now let me let me flip
what you said just a little bit, ok, some perspective
on it. We all know did He's a piece of
shit and he needs to be in jail the rest
of his life for all the stuff he wasn't convicted.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Of, and to protect people in the future, honestly, because
he's correct.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
So I'm not defending did He here. But what I'm
doing is I'm taking Diddy out of the equation and
I'm giving.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
You the charges he was convicted of.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
He was basically convicted of paying prostitutes to get on
a plane come to him and have a freak off
with him and his girlfriend right when it's.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
All said and done.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
That's most people that get caught with prostitutes do no
jail time none. If it was someone that was just
a normal person and they were being charged with this,
If maybe they got online and flew someone from Las
Vegas and in Louisiana for the purpose of prostitution, that
same charge he got, I don't see anybody really getting
(27:49):
ten years for that in normal circumstances. So if he
ends up with just what you said, nine years, let's say,
in prison for two instances of flying someone in to
have sex with him and his girlfriend, I would say
that's pretty hard time for those charges. Doesn't mean he
(28:10):
doesn't deserve life for all the other stuff, but he
was not found guilty of it.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
But hence why the judge has discretion here? And can
you know minimum to max? I know this, a whole
lot of people didn't testify, and that has to make
a defense team that doesn't bring one witness, not one.
Isn't that what you just said?
Speaker 2 (28:29):
None?
Speaker 3 (28:30):
None? On what planet could you not put one person
up without worrying what they might say on really really
weigh that.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Well? In hindsight, it seems like the right call.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
It was, obviously, but you don't trust people enough that
favorable witness that people that would come for your favor.
What it tells me is they were much more afraid
of the cross and what might get brought up on
that on that you know that, and.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
You didn't even have character like his mother didn't get
called up to speak as a character witness for Dinny.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
Because his mama wouldn't have outweighed everything they had already seen.
Speaker 5 (29:13):
It was.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
It was fruitless and all it would do was in essence,
you know, piss people off more that. Okay, of course
you brought your mama up, bring somebody else up. So
it's strategically smart, in my opinion, not bring anybody versus
bringing people inherently that would protect you. There's a whole
lot of people breathing a sigh of relief, I would say.
In the celebrity realm.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
I would agree.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
And if you beat the feds, wow, yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
That's me. That that's the big thing.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
Conventional unlimited resources, unlimited ability to do to go after you,
and you walk on, you know, in essence, So let's see.
I do hope you get some time, and I hope
it's some solid time.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
I think it will.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
I think it will be hearned it.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
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