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In this episode of Crime Wire Weekly, hosts Jim Chapman and Kelly Jennings discuss a series of trending crime stories, including a incident at Fort Stewart Army Base in Georgia where (5) are shot. In Louisiana, several crimes of note occurred including a state trooper arrested for battering a dating partner and a domestic violence incident that led to a murder/suicide. In Arizona, a Tik-Tok creator is arrested for staging multiple pranks and who knew “sexsomnia” is a thing in the UK…or is it? These stories and more are on tap for today!
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In this episode of Crime Wire Weekly, hosts Jim Chapman and Kelly Jennings discuss a series of trending crime stories, including a incident at Fort Stewart Army Base in Georgia where (5) are shot. In Louisiana, several crimes of note occurred including a state trooper arrested for battering a dating partner and a domestic violence incident that led to a murder/suicide. In Arizona, a Tik-Tok creator is arrested for staging multiple pranks and who knew “sexsomnia” is a thing in the UK…or is it? These stories and more are on tap for today!
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Topics Crime Wire weekly Airing August 8th 2025
- Georgia Fort Stewart Shooting of (5)
- Louisiana State Trooper Arrested for Battery
- Arkansas Gag Order Lifted in Aaron Spencer Case
- Domestic Violence Murder/Suicide in Central, Louisiana
- Tennessee Quadruple Murder Suspect Arrested
- Maryland Mother Charged With murder 11 years later
- Tik-Tok Prank Arrest in Arizona
- Texas Deputy's Controversial TikTok Over Sexual Frustration
- “Sexsomnia” is Not a Thing in the UK
- Pennsylvania Man Kills Pregnant Girlfriend Over Fatherhood
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
All right, folks, we got a lot to cover today
in the world of crime related news. In Georgia, five
soldiers are shot and a fellow soldier is in custody.
In Louisiana, a state trooper is arrested after assaulting a
dating partner. And also in Louisiana, a domestic violence situation
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turns deadly in a murder suicide. More details have come
out in the Arkansas case of Aaron Spencer. This is
a dad who killed a guy molesting his thirteen year
old daughter. In Facts, I counted the emails and messages
I received on this case, over twenty separate messages and
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requests to cover this story. TikToker is arrested in Arizona
after conducting a series of TikTok pranks. In Tennessee, a
suspect in a quadruple killing is arrested. A Texas deputy
who said she was sexually frustrated on social media. She's
in some trouble of her room now with her Texas
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Sheriff's Association. We'll get into that. All this and much
more today. Welcome to Crime Wire Weekly. I'm Jim Chapman.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
And I'm Kelly Jennings. What is going on, Jimmy thief.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
It's going good. You're back in the studio.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
I am, I man. I needed that vacation. We all do. Yeah,
but it was so down hot.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
It was beautiful from the pictures you took.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Yeah, and we stayed. We went a whole week and
we stayed at the pool. We went to the beach
once and I got pissed off because it was too hot.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Right, I don't mind.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
It was hot and I had seaweed in my in
my swimsuit.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Well, seaweed in your swimsuit from the one day you
went to the beach.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Yes, it was very thick on the edge of the water.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
We can't have seaweed in your swimsuit.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
kJ makes things just real weird, noe.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
And we're going to start out at Fort Stewart. This
is in Georgia and Fort Stewart incidentally the largest military
base in the country. An Army sergeant has opened fire
at Fort Stewart. This was on Wednesday, shooting five soldiers,
prompting a brief lockdown, and very few details outside of
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that are available as to what led to this. The
suspected shooter has been identified by US officials as Logistics
Sergeant Cornelius Radford. He's twenty eight. He has not previously
been deployed to combat, so I guess they make a
note of that in case anyone wanted to say that
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he had any sort of PTSD issues going on. Radford
opened fire at his workplace using a personal handgun and
not his military issued weapon. The shooting happened at the
second Armored Brigade Combat Team area of the base. In
law enforcement was dispatched to the area. That was at
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ten fifty six am on Wednesday. The alleged shooter was
apprehended just about thirty minutes later at eleven thirty five am.
Soldiers in the area who witnessed the shooting immediately and
without hesitation, tackled the shooter and Radford was taken into custody. Now,
the Army said it's investigating the shooting and they are
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still of course, with this being early on in the investigation,
many unanswered questions, what are the condition of the soldiers,
the scope of the injuries, the name of the shooter,
as well as any possible motive. We do have the
name of the shooter, but why he did it is
really the question. The Army won't release names of the
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injured until they notify family members, of course, and we
all understand that, and they're not going to speculate on
the motive. They're going to really dive deep into this
investigation to try to figure out why this guy would
go off and just shoot five soldiers. This is a
mass shooting, right, officials did say. However, all five victims
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thankfully or in stable condition. They're all expected to survive,
and three of them have already had surgery. All of
these soldiers were treated on site and then they were
moved to Win Army Community Hospital for further treatment, and
some of the wounded were taken to what's known as
Memorial Health University Medical Center in Savannah, Georgia. That hospital
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is very well known for top level treatment and as
far as it relates to trauma in the state of Georgia. Now,
the latest acts of violence in a US military installation site.
You know, these sites are supposed to be secure. They're
supposed to be the most secure in the country. I mean,
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you have guard shacks everywhere. These are military bases. It's
not easy to get on and off. However, when it's
one of your own, you can't. You can't secure against
that now. White House and Defense Department officials said President
Donald Trump and Secretary Peak Pete Hegseth have been briefed
on the shooting. The FBI was at the fort also
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to help investigate that shooting. That from Deputy Director Dan Bongino.
White House Press Secretary Caroline Levitt shared a message on
x saying the President had been briefed on the shooting
at Fort Stewart. The quote, the President had been briefed
at the shooting Fort Stewart. I swear to God that's
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how the article just read. The White House is monitoring
the situation, broke Caroline Lovett. Georgia Governor Brian Kemp said
he is keeping the victims, their families and all those
who answer the call to serve in their prayers and
it's now. This base is located forty miles south west
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of Savannah. It is the largest Army post east of
the Mississippi River. It's home to thousands of soldiers assigned
to the Army's third Infantry Division and their family members.
And if you're curious, one of the deadliest acts of
violence on US military bases was a two thousand and
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nine US Army psychiatrist who attacked and killed thirteen people.
Remember that, you remember that in a shooting that left
more than thirty wounded at Fort Hood, which is a
Texas military base. In twenty thirteen, a defense contractor, contract
worker and former Navy reservists killed twelve people at the
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Washington Navy Yard. He was then killed in a gun
battle with police. In twenty fourteen, a soldier opened fire
on his fellow service members at Ford Hood, again killing
three people and wounding more than a dozen before killing himself.
And twenty nineteen, an aviation student open fire in a
classroom at the Naval Air Station in Pensacola. I've been
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there in Florida. That's where the Blue Angels fly out.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
They are so sick. Sorry, I don't go to get
off task. That is so sick.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Yeah. Well, this aviation student actually killed three people and
injured another dozen people, including two sheriff's deputies. Just days
earlier from that shooting, a US Navy pilot rather US
Navy sailors, shot two people to death before killing himself
at Pearl Harbor, which we all know, that's a naval
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station in Waii. So prayers to those families.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
And I know these are these are the situations where
obviously everyone wants to know why, and they're looking for
someone to blame.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
I think would be another thing.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
A lot of people do want to how could this happen?
You know, who is responsible for this? Ultimately it's the shooter.
He is responsible for this, And I don't know. You know,
human behavior is not predictable. Responses to things I think
are somewhat in a realm of predictability. You know, if
you get punched in the face, you'll jump back, or
if you're you know, someone yells at you, you might
get scared or something if you're a kid. But but
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to expect someone to come in and just open fire
on the on the team, it's just the ultimate betrayal.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Yeah, it's it's you know.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
What I mean by the team, like we're all nonsensical.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
I mean, it's it's just like you know, expect you
see it a lot with these mass shootings where there
is no why they did it. I mean, there's never
a good enough reason to do it, right. So, you know,
I guess we'll get answers at some point, but they're
going to do an investigation before they really release anything
of substance.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
And what we're gonna get is that he was pissed
off about something and that he is obviously maladapted to response,
or they're going to say, what mental illness. Well, I
mean he cleared some kind of checkpoints, so you know,
I don't either way. You didn't kill anybody, and so
for that, I'm thankful you.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Uh yeah, I mean think thankfully all these It looks
like all of these soldiers are going to survive and
good and these are already here raise even before they
have to.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
And junk right on jumped right in and took his
ass down. Yeah, oh, rah Man, good job, y'all, good job, seriously,
good job. You saved more lives than you probably we
would ever be able to count because we.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Don't know with the extent this could have been.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
So that's right, excellent, All right, Well, let's come right
here in our neck of the woods in.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Louisiana, Louisiana.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
I think you know this case pretty well with me, Jimmothy.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
But a Louisiana State trooper is sitting in an East
Feliciana jail after a woman claimed he battered her overnight.
The trooper, Derek Parrish, thirty eight was taken into custody
on charges of battery of a dating partner and arrest.
Warrant shows the trooper followed a woman into her bedroom,
where he forced her down on the bed, screamed in
her face, and bit her. Jimy bit her. I've heard
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of canine officers, but they usually handle canines. They don't
usually become the canine. The East Feliciana Parish Sheriff's office
was to the residence in the seventy nine hundred block
of Highway sixty three, and investigators noted her cheekbones showed
heavy bruising and swelling. She also had bruising on her
wrists and fingers and complained that she could not breathe.
Investigators noted that he had been drinking. Sources say that
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Parish is a road trooper in the troop A area.
A social media post from twenty fifteen welcomed Parish as
one of their newest members to join the ranks. Bond
was set at twenty five thousand dollars stay. Police tell
us that once he posts bond, he will be placed
on administrative leave.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
What do you think about that.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Jim, Well, I'm gonna prophes us with of course these
charges are alleged, but if true, no one likes a
dirty cop, especially one that beats on women. And it's
fucking disgusting. And you lost your man card, in my opinion,
that's what I think about it.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Yeah, well he lost his man card when he was
personally a jerk. To me, I dealt with this guy personally,
and hey, I think that karma is a bitch.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
I'll leave it at that.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
I would. I would concur.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
I've come across some amazing officers, troopers, you know, and
he is the epitome of what makes the bad name
ye for troopers.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Yeah, and I can tell you that good troopers and
good state policemen they don't want that ship on their
force either. No, they they don't want that either. You know.
Good policemen can't stay in ship like this. So this
is this is a him issue and not a police issue.
This is just he happened to be a policeman. Well
he is probably not anymore. Sorry you lose, He'll get
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He'll get what he deserves, that's for sure in this situation.
Should those charges be proven as.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Accurate, good luck, Derek.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
We're gonna move to Arkansas. Now. Look, let me say
something before I cover this story, and I mentioned this
at the top of this broadcast, but I have gotten
so many requests over the last really month to cover
this case on some sort of podcast, and when I
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dug into it, I see why. So let's get into
this case. After an Arkansas Supreme Court ordered the courts
to be made public, we now have a clear picture
of what happened the knight Aaron Spencer killed Michael Fossler,
lanok County man who had previously been arrested and charged
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with sexual offenses against Spencer's teenage daughter. The court records
had been sealed pursuant to a broad gag order from
the circuit Judge Barbara Elmore, but last month, the Arkansas
Supreme Court struck down the gag order and criticized Elmore's actions.
According to records obtained by the Arkansas Time, Spencer initially
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called nine to one one just after one am on
October eighth of twenty twenty four to report his thirteen
year old daughter missing. Spencer told police he had been
awakened by his dog barking, went to his daughter's room
to check on her and saw she was missing. He
said he suspected she was with Fossler, who was sixty seven.
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Was sixty seven, who had been arrested in July and
charged with forty three counts, including sexual assault of a
miner and Internet stalking of a child, related to Fosslor's
pursuit of Spencer's then thirteen year old daughter. The arrest
affidavit for Spencer said he went to look for his
daughter Anne Fossler, after calling nine to one one the
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first time, the Lonoke County Sheriff's Office contacted Cabot Police
to ask them to check a specific address. Prior to
hearing back from Cabot Police, however, nine one one Dispatch
gets a second call from Spencer, who said he had
located the man who kidnapped his daughter, and he had
located his daughter, but that Fosslor was dead on the
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side of the road and that he quote had no choice.
The affidavit contained Spencer's recounts of how the deadly interaction unfolded.
Spencer saw Fosslor's white Ford F one fifty turn onto
the highway towards Fossler's home. He turned around and chased
Fosslor's vehicle, flashing his lights and honking his horn in
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an effort to get Fosslor to pull over. When the
two vehicles arrived at an intersection, Spencer rammed his truck
into the rear of Fosslor, sending the F one fifty
into a ditch. Spencer then stated he exited the vehicle
with his firearm in his hand, ordered Fosslor out of
his vehicle and to lay down in the ditch. Spencer
stated that he observed his daughter exiting the passenger's side
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of that vehicle, but it appeared that Fosslor had grabbed
her and stopped her from getting out. Spencer then stated
Fossler exited his vehicle and had something in his hand,
but Spencer did not know what it was was. Spencer
stated Fossler lunched towards him, saying fuck you. Spencer stated
he then opened fire on Fossler, emptying his weapon before
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jumping on top of him and pistol whipping him. Spencer
then stated he got his daughter out of the vehicle
and returned to the truck, where he reloaded his weapon
and called nine to one one. According to the police report,
Spencer shot Fosster in the chest, arms, and abdomen with
a glock nineteen. The report did not say how many
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times each body part was hit, though a standard magazine
for the glock nineteen holds fifteen rounds. Regarding the pistol
whipping of Fossler, the report noted there was blood on
the outside of the weapon when police discovered it. Spencer
bonded out of the low note kind of jail the
following day. In the case quickly drew attention both inside
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Arkansas and beyond. On November twenty seventh, the prosecutor's charged
Spencer with second degree murder in commission of felony with
a firearm. That same day, Spencer's attorneys issued a statement
calling Spencer a decorated warrior who protected his country and
a loving father whose heroic actions protected his family. They
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said Falslor repeatedly violated his child and kidnapped her in
the dark of the night to continue his assaults on her.
The statement criticized prosecutors for bringing charges against Spencer at all,
accused prosecutors of perpetrating these horrors instead of protecting legitimate
victims and punishing true criminal offenders, and thank those who
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had voiced their outrage over the treatment of airing his
child and the rest of his family the outrage they
had suffered. The following week, prosecutors added Judge Elmore for
an order preventing Spencer's attorneys and anyone else from saying
anything about the case. Spencer's attorneys filed a nineteen page
response to the prosecutor's motion. In less than thirty minutes later,
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Elmore granted the prosecutor's motion and entered into a gag order.
She also sealed the entire case file, but despite the
fact that neither side requested it. Spencer appealed that order,
and in March, the Arkansas Supreme Court stayed the case
pending their decision. On March twenty ninth, the High Court
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struck down the gag order and sent the case back
to Lonoke County for further proceedings. A pre trial hearing
is now scheduled for August eighth, and a five day
trial is scheduled to begin September twenty second. I promise
you I'll be following.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
That absolutely, And I may be mistaken, but I think
that his wife may have reached out to me.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
When did this happen? What was the date or what
does it say?
Speaker 1 (17:45):
It was? Back in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Yeah, I think his wife may have reached out to
me too back then, and I was kind of like, well,
I wonder if there's more to this story.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
But I'll tell you this right now.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Just looking at this article, and only looking at this article,
that charges were brought on this man, I don't agree.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
I do not agree. I do not.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Agree if he would have Okay, so let's break it down.
So he calls police, and what does he do. He
waits for police to show up to give a statement,
and his daughter is moving by the minute further and
further and further away from his home. He did what
any father, any man worth his salt, would have done,
in my opinion, He jumped in his vehicle. He found
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his baby, and he rammed the car to stop it,
to disable it. Now, if this was law, and again
I want everyone to know, I'm going just off the article.
Obviously there's been no trial, so this is all I.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Have to work with.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
But he got out of the vehicle, he drew down,
and it sounds to me he didn't immediately open fire.
He drew down, told him to get on the ground.
And then perspective is everything. Perception is everything, And I
don't care what the man had in his hand. If
Dad thought that it was a gun and then he
grabbed his daughter, why would someone on the ground who's
obviously not been caught kidnapping a minor grab the child
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other than any other reason than to do harm.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Well, he was in the car and the child went
to get out, and he grabbed her. Stopp her right,
But he wasn't on the ground at that point.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
But he had ordered him. I'm saying he had ordered him.
Didn't he say get on the ground, get out.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Of the truck. And he was still in the truck.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
So wherever he was either way, you don't grab it. Yeah,
for any other reason.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Yeah, so Dad said pop pop pop and pistol whip
for good measure, just to make sure he didn't get
back up.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
I disagree with this. I'm hoping that what's.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Going to happen is just because of the way that
the court system, the way that the wheels turn.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Okay, I'm hoping that.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
They look at this and say, we're obviously we're gonna
take some type of plea deal on something.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
If.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
I don't think that this should come to this, but
if it did, maybe he can fight it and win
or plee down to a you know, some type of
on negligent something or another.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
And yeah, I look, my personal thought, I don't blame
him for that. God bad for that guy either. He
didn't need to be breathing oxygen any fucking way, in
my opinion. And I have two daughters, and let me
tell you I would have I would have done the
same thing. And look, maybe the guy had something in
his hand and lunch that I'd have just said, I
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shot the some bitch because he didn't deserve to be
breathing oxygen.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Yeah, well, and he stopped future victims. That dad stopped
future victims. I don't agree with this unless we come
up into court and we find something that says an
email or text that says, hey, motherfucker, you know, come
to my house and my blew your brain's out, and
then he told him. You know, if that comes up, okay,
that changes circumstance. But right now, this just looks like
a dad who did what you're trained to do. He
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dialed nine to one one.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Well, they're they're throwing the look a lot of people
are upset because they're throwing the book at this guy.
They're charging him with second degree murder. That's life in prison.
So they're not even at least as of this point,
offering this guy ideal. You know, common sense. I understand
the law, and definitely this needs to play out, it
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needs to be in courtant I understand the law, but
common sense has to weigh in at some point. And
if there's a dad out there that can honestly say,
if you could get your hands on a man, a
sixty seven year old man, mind you, Yeah, that is
molesting your daughter over and over again to the point
that he kidnaps her, and you wouldn't do the same thing.
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We're not the same. No, we're not the same. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
No, this is okay. And people will get hateful about this.
I don't care.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
This is what I expect of a father, and I
know that that's a strong statement. I expect a father
to bust through fences, to climb mountains, to treadwater, to
dig in to save his babies. That's who you want
to be, your husband, That's who you want to be
the father of your children, the one that there's no bounds,
no limits to saving their babies.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
No doubt about it.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
This is a kid, This is a thirteen year old girl.
And you know this guy is sixty seven years old.
That's a grandfather. Yeah, it's And you think that you
can and didn't say soliciting like they were on the
computer or something that they were however they were.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Yeah, well internet's talking. Internet job was one of the children.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
So he's clearly a sex offender. He's clearly a perpetrator
upon our children. And when we weigh the two next
to each other, we've got a sixty seven year old
perpetrator of children versus it says a military man who
fought for our country, who rammed a fucking truck and
saved his daughter. They are not the same. Don't put
him on the same playing field respectfully. All right, Well
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you want to go back to Louisiana, Sure again, let's
do it, all right. And this is something too, This,
this situation is one that I personally kind of have
a passion about because it has to do with protective orders. Okay, So,
a man suspected of killing his girlfriend early Sunday before
turning the gun on himself had already been arrested twice
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for domestic violence. According to court records. He was also
reportedly violating his order of protective custody during the days
leading up to the incident. So around nine thirty am
Sunday morning, deputies with the East bat Rooge Paris Schriff's
Office were called to a residence near the intersection of
Arlene Avenue and Watson Drive, and this is in Central
which is near Ebr and Dinnim Springs where we are.
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They found Paul Varnado and his girlfriend, Elna Singleton, both
fifty four years old, dead from gunshot wounds. Authorities say
preliminary evidence suggests the case is a murder suicide. According
to Varnado's arrest documents, EBR Sheriff's deputies had been called
to the same address in June and found Singleton with
a swollen and bleeding left elbow, as well as multiple
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bus uses to her rear, her torso, and her ankle.
At the same time, Singleton told authorities Varnado thought that
she had taken his keys, which Singleton claimed she had not.
When Singleton tried to leave the trailer, she told investigators
that Varnado, in a full fit of rage, had man
handled her before shoving her down the stairs. Varnado told
authorities his girlfriend had gotten bruised from being under the
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trailer earlier in the day. Emergency medical services were also
called to the scene, according to the records.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Now after the incident, an.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Order of protective custody was filed against Varnado, prohibiting him
from coming within one hundred yards of Singleton. But on Sunday,
neighbors told investigators they had spotted Varnado staying with Singleton
for at least a few days before the deadly incident,
and this is according to Casey Rayburn Hicks, who was
the spokesperson for the Eber Sheriff's office. Hicks added that
it had been a neighbor that had called authorities to
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the scene Sunday after discovering one of them dead. Others
later reported hearing shots fired the night before. Varnado was
arrested in September of twenty twenty two for throwing his
then wife of fifteen years to the ground. According to
another arrest warrant at the time, his wife told authorities
that she had been cleaning the house when Varnado became enraged.
When her son told Varnado to not disrespect his mother,
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Varnado reportedly became more angry and began aggressively approaching her son.
When his wife tried to step in between the two,
varnado reportedly pushed her to the ground. In both cases,
Varnadou was convicted of domestic abuse battery.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
So let me just.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Say this, A protective order is a piece of paper
meant to be reactive. It's only there so that we
can do something to him should he violate it. They
don't do anything.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
I agree. That was exactly what I was gonna say.
So kJ stole on thunder, y'all, I was gonna say,
A protective order is a no. No.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
I was the lightning, now you're the thunder.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Now one hundred percent agree with you. It is. It's
just a piece of paper. Look, it's if you are
in that situation, you certainly need to get that because
of nothing else. It's a paper trail of the abuse.
But don't rely on that, because a batterer is not
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going to stay away just because the police tell them
to stay away, or her for that matter. I mean,
there's guys that get abused domestically. It's certainly not as common,
but it does happen, So a him or her. This
situation just got worse and worse as Kelly just covered.
There were history every time where this escalated, and that
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is the result at some point for a lot of people,
it ends up murtyr.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
If they will hit you, they will kill you.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
If you look up any domestic violence website, any data,
any research on domestic violence. If a person will strike you,
they will kill you at some point, if they're willing to. Jim,
I can't imagine hitting you. Now, obviously this wouldn't be domestic.
But I'm just saying I can't imagine hitting you. I
don't care how pissed off. Like Jim told me my
hair looked bad this morning.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
I did not.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
He did. He said, what are you gonna do with
that hair?
Speaker 1 (27:10):
That's what I said. I didn't say.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
But no, I can't imagine hitting you.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
No matter how mad I've gotten at my spouse, I'm
not going to hit him. So that's that's love. Love's patient,
it's kind, you know, it's all of those things. And
so then people will come out and maybe I'll say this.
Maybe when I was younger, I'm like, well, why would
she allow him back at the house. That's done when
I was younger. Now that I'm in my forties and
the more I of I experienced, and I've understand, I understand,
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and I've researched, and I've been in the criminal justice
system as a not as a perpetrator, but as someone
who's been involved with victims. This is part of the
abuse cycle, right, the love bombing though, oh I'm sorry,
I'll never do that again, and blah blah blah blah,
and then you let the person back in.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
And it's part of that cycle of domestic abuse.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
And look, there's a lot of a lot of people
play that control fact. And I'll say, sadly, I'm a man,
but I'll say not sadly that I'm a man. Glad
I'm a man, but sadly men are known for doing this, okay.
And they will have a wife and that wife maybe
she's just got a part time job or she's stay
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at home mom, and you know, the husband works at
a chemical plane or something like that, and he's making
plenty of money, but he likes to go home and
knock his wife around a little bit after having too
much fireball. Whatever case may be. Well, the problem is
these ladies are in a situation where they have nowhere
to go. They've got maybe three kids, their stay at
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home mom or they work and just it's a part
time gig, right, and they feel like, what am I
gonna do? I'm stuck in this situation and it's horrible.
You know. One thing that I preach to my daughter's
constantly is never ever rely on a man for a living.
Ever make your own money. Even if you're mad and
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your husband is a top notch attorney at the biggest
firm or a doctor a cardiologist, make sure that you
make your own money, because there's a difference between being
in a relationship when you have to and being in
one when you want to. And it's usually bullshit like
this that occurs, and the females in that situation. I
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don't know this lady's situation. I feel so horrible for
her family. Maybe I don't know. Maybe she did have
a job that she was making a ton of money.
She might have been killing it. But most situations like this,
these people want to leave, they don't want to stay,
and most times they're not even in love with these
guys anymore. They just don't know what they're gonna do.
(29:44):
And I think that for them it hurts.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
It's the cycle.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
I'm gonna bet that this was lower income because they
said the trailer. And I don't mean anything negative by that.
I'm just saying I'm the totatality of the circumstance here.
But your primal instinct as a mother, right is to
protect your children at all costs.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
And I think it.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
I don't want to say admirable, that's not the word,
but I understand it when a woman maybe is in
a bad position, but she wants her children to be
clothed and fed and housed. And so it's not ship
for your kids. But let me tell you what my
husband has preached, just like you. You're a good daddy.
I'm married to a fantastic husband. And when you said
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don't rely on them, And this isn't a man hater
club either.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
This is meet a man who's your match, right, and
that y'all are equals.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
So in the event though that it doesn't go right,
and in the event that something happens, you always have
out in our household and it's daddy and mama. So
that's something we want our girls to know to You're
never stuck. You are never ever ever stuck. We're gonna
make good choices and hopefully you know lead by trouble
and Daddy'll save you if anyone else wont.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
But some people may not have that, their parents may
have passed. You know, every situation is different. So at
the end of the day, rely on yourself would be
my advice. Make sure that you are good. And let
me tell you, as a man, I would much rather
be married to a woman that I know, that I
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that I am aware does not have to have me
to make a living, that she's actually with me because
she kind of digs me. She's not with me because
I got a bunch of money, because you've got our
own money that that I dig. So anyway, horrible situation,
City prayers and there are options. Look, ladies, they do
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have better women's shelters and things like that that you
you can go to, and a lot of these are
held in secret. There's ways to get the information, but
a lot of them do not promote that, you know,
because they don't want men showing up. Where's my wife?
So look into that. If you're in that situation, please
get out of it because this is the end result.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
Yeah, our local shriff's office just for example, and if
you if you're wondering, okay, are low Sheriff's office has
a wonderful set of women that and men obviously, but
women that are part of their program to help the
battered women. All you have to do, guys, is pick
up the phone that sure dial your local law enforcement.
They will guide you, they will help you, they will
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help your children. And there's people like me and Jim
and other people in the community that all you have
to do is list your needs. You would be shocked
how much this community can come together and help people.
So you're not stuck. Chin up, make the phone call
and save yourself.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
You can do it.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
There, you got it, not alone. Let's go to Tennessee
and a man hunt for a suspect in the Tennessee
killing of four people and the kidnapping of a baby
ended Tuesday when he was taken into custody. Austin Robert Drummond,
twenty eight, was taken into custody in Jackson, Tennessee, by
the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation. This came after a week
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long main hunt. Now during a news conference Tuesday afternoon,
law enforcement officials said Drummond was captured after multiple community
residents spotted him and called nine to one. One quote,
this is the perfect, perfect example of police and community cooperation. Drummond,
who had been considered armed and dangerous, is the prime
(33:16):
suspect in the July twenty ninth killing of thirty eight
year old Courtney Rose. Rose's children, twenty year old Adriana
Williams and fifteen year old Braden Williams, and Adriana Williams's boyfriend,
twenty one year old James Michael Wilson. The victims were
found along the road in Lake County, which is in
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northwest Tennessee. The same day, Wilson and williams baby was
left in the car seat in a random individual's front
yard in nearby Dyer County, Tennessee. Authority said Drummond knew
the victims through his girlfriend, who was the daughter of
Rose and the sister of Adriana and Braden. A motive
for the killing remains under investigation. During a news conference Tuesday,
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law enforcement officials said that Drummond was captured after multiple
community residents spotted him in Jackson around eight am and
called nine one one. Shout out to those people for
paying attention. Quote. This is a perfect example of police
and community cooperation. Jackson Police Chief Tom Corley said residents
spotted Drumming around at eight a m. Tuesday, Mary vacant
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building investigators believed the suspect had been hiding in. He said.
Officers rushed to the area as more nine to one
one calls came in, including one at eight fifty seven
am that helped officers pinpoint Drumming's location in the woods
near a vacant building. They took him into custody at
nine five am, and Drummond is facing four counts of
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first degree murder, one count of aggravated kidnapping, a slew
of other chargers, and during the search for Drumming, police
also arrested four people accused of being accessories after the
fact to the homicide.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
Well, there's just I'll just there's widespread suffering here and
I think you can tell a whole lot of people
are going to be affected by this, even schools because
of the age of the young one and the loss
of their friend, you know, and so prayers, thoughts and
if you know something, say something.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
If you think that someone is.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
Capable of this, obviously you speak up, you know, and
get away, don't.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Yeah, great job shout out to the community for excellent
who essentially caught this guy.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Yeah, excellent. All right.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
Now here's another one that's uh, this one's this one's
kind of wild. All right, we're gonna go to Maryland.
So a Maryland mother whose two kids vanished more than
a decade ago has now been indicted on murder charges
for a second time. Catherine Hoggle, thirty eight, of Clarksburg,
was indicted by a grand jury on two counts of
first degree murder in connection with the presumed deaths of
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Sarah and Jacob Hoggle. Authorities have said Hoggle was the
last known person to see three year old Sarah and
two year old Jacob alive when they disappeared in September
of twenty fourteen. They have never been found. At that time,
Hoggle explained to her boyfriend, and he was also the
father of her children, that she had placed their daughter
and son in a new childcare center, but Hoggle refused
(36:13):
to divulge their whereabouts when Troy Turner planned to pick
up the children. He has since spearheaded countless searches and
even launched a Facebook page which was fine Sarah Fine Jacob. Hogle,
who has struggled with mental illness, was initially charged with murder,
but those charges were dropped after a court founder to
be not competent to stand trial. She has spent the
past several years in a psychiatric facility, but she was
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released from the hospital last month. She has not commented
on the children's whereabouts to authorities, so the Montgomery County
State Attorney's Office said Hoggle was arrested Friday, August first,
after investigators learned that she had been discharged from the facility.
And she is scheduled to have a bond review hearing
on Monday. And that is giving me total vibes of
who is it that drowned all of her children? Andrea Yates. No,
(36:57):
that has given me total Andrea Yates vibes.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Yeah, except for at least they've found Andrew Yate's families.
And I'll say this, I don't understand this at all.
I mean, if you're deemed mentally too mentally unstable to
stand trial, then how the fuck are you stable enough
to get out of hospitals mental hospitals and just be free?
(37:24):
How is that possible? I don't understand that she's been
now charged. Thankfully, she's going to be charged with murder
of these kids, and it'll come out as to whether
they did that. But obviously this is the suspicion. They
wanted to try her for it already, and she was
too crazy, according to authorities, to even be tried. So
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she goes to a mental hospital, and now she's getting
released and walking amongst society. Nobody even knows where these
poor babies are three and two years old.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Yet three and two can't.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
I mean, honestly, they're not alive anymore, right.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
Three and two can't just disappear. I mean, they're they're
they're they're at risk ages. The only thing I could think,
because I was trying to process this, is maybe they
charged her, but because of how bad they didn't have
a body, or two they didn't have bodies, they didn't
have much. Maybe they dropped it and were to build
a stronger case. And that's why once she was released,
then they went and rearrested her.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
So what it says. It says those charges were dropped
after a court found her to not be competent to
stay in trial.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Yeah, but then she was his psychiatric hospital.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
Now she's out, but I.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Want well, But then they went and rearrested her.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
So yes, but my point is she wasn't competent the
first time, so they put her in a hospital. How
do you get out? I mean, I don't know. No,
I'm with you, don't understand.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
I'm with you one hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
I think this is one of those breakdowns in the
system that that this kind of stuff happens, because obviously
the children are nowhere, could be found. There's not a
reason that you're suspect number one, who's already been thought
so strongly of being responsible for this, has already been charged,
but then dropping the charges because you're incompetent to stay
(39:15):
in trial. I mean, obviously I'm no attorney, but you
could still be committed.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
Right, and she was for a few years.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
Yeah, so shouldn't there be a reevaluation.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
It seems like it seems like that's my point. Yeah,
eleven years this is eleven years ago this occurred, and
important nobody. Yeah, it's just god that.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Poor dad, and then to not know where your babies
are resting.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
We'll see. I mean, I don't know how you can
find her competent the second time and not the first time.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Let me tell you this too. I worked in prison.
We all know that.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
And they have units where the criminally insane are housed.
In these prisons, okay, And that was one of the
biggest things. And I think people would agree if you
ever experienced it when you go to prison. Prison is
not a place for crazy, Okay. Prison is a place
for evil. If I have to just kind of break
it down, Okay, you do wrong, you do I guess
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evil strong. But some people are evil. But some people
just you know, they do horrible things too. But when
you are crazy, when you're crazy, punitiveness doesn't work.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
You cannot You can't fix that with punitiveness.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
You know, locking someone up for ten years won't fix
the fact that you were completely fucked in the head.
So what happens, though, is our system is not designed
to differentiate between the two. You do a criminal act
like your children go missing, which obviously we would agree
she did something to these children, and then we ship
them off to prison, and then prison is not a
facility that's gonna make that any better or fix it.
(40:48):
So the psychiatric hospital would have been the best place
for her, to be sure, for a multitude of reasons.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
Right now, I get it, all right, Let's move on.
Let's go to air Zon and we're going to talk
about Kelly's favorite app which is TikTok Oh.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
I love me some talk. My mama says the Chinese
They're gonna get all your information.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
I'm like, well they follows absolutely No TikTok rules, y'all none.
And she says, I wonder why how come only two
hundred people have watched this clip or something. And I'm like, well,
you cussed in at nine.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
I'm not saying schmurder. That is the dust, tiptop, tiptop
whatever it's got start. No, that's the app I'm gonna
start tiptop top where you can, won't.
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All right, folks, we got a lot to cover today
in the world of crime related news. In Georgia, five
soldiers are shot and a fellow soldier is in custody.
In Louisiana, a state trooper is arrested after assaulting a
dating partner. And also in Louisiana, a domestic violence situation
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turns deadly in a murder suicide. More details have come
out in the Arkansas case of Aaron Spencer. This is
a dad who killed a guy molesting his thirteen year
old daughter. In Facts, I counted the emails and messages
I received on this case, over twenty separate messages and
(00:55):
requests to cover this story. TikToker is arrested in Arizona
after conducting a series of TikTok pranks. In Tennessee, a
suspect in a quadruple killing is arrested. A Texas deputy
who said she was sexually frustrated on social media. She's
in some trouble of her room now with her Texas
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Sheriff's Association. We'll get into that. All this and much
more today. Welcome to Crime Wire Weekly. I'm Jim Chapman.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
And I'm Kelly Jennings. What is going on, Jimmy thief.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
It's going good. You're back in the studio.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
I am, I man. I needed that vacation. We all do. Yeah,
but it was so down hot.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
It was beautiful from the pictures you took.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Yeah, and we stayed. We went a whole week and
we stayed at the pool. We went to the beach
once and I got pissed off because it was too hot.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Right, I don't mind.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
It was hot and I had seaweed in my in
my swimsuit.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Well, seaweed in your swimsuit from the one day you
went to the beach.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Yes, it was very thick on the edge of the water.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
We can't have seaweed in your swimsuit.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
kJ makes things just real weird, noe.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
And we're going to start out at Fort Stewart. This
is in Georgia and Fort Stewart incidentally the largest military
base in the country. An Army sergeant has opened fire
at Fort Stewart. This was on Wednesday, shooting five soldiers,
prompting a brief lockdown, and very few details outside of
(02:25):
that are available as to what led to this. The
suspected shooter has been identified by US officials as Logistics
Sergeant Cornelius Radford. He's twenty eight. He has not previously
been deployed to combat, so I guess they make a
note of that in case anyone wanted to say that
(02:46):
he had any sort of PTSD issues going on. Radford
opened fire at his workplace using a personal handgun and
not his military issued weapon. The shooting happened at the
second Armored Brigade Combat Team area of the base. In
law enforcement was dispatched to the area. That was at
(03:08):
ten fifty six am on Wednesday. The alleged shooter was
apprehended just about thirty minutes later at eleven thirty five am.
Soldiers in the area who witnessed the shooting immediately and
without hesitation, tackled the shooter and Radford was taken into custody. Now,
the Army said it's investigating the shooting and they are
(03:30):
still of course, with this being early on in the investigation,
many unanswered questions, what are the condition of the soldiers,
the scope of the injuries, the name of the shooter,
as well as any possible motive. We do have the
name of the shooter, but why he did it is
really the question. The Army won't release names of the
(03:50):
injured until they notify family members, of course, and we
all understand that, and they're not going to speculate on
the motive. They're going to really dive deep into this
investigation to try to figure out why this guy would
go off and just shoot five soldiers. This is a
mass shooting, right, officials did say. However, all five victims
(04:12):
thankfully or in stable condition. They're all expected to survive,
and three of them have already had surgery. All of
these soldiers were treated on site and then they were
moved to Win Army Community Hospital for further treatment, and
some of the wounded were taken to what's known as
Memorial Health University Medical Center in Savannah, Georgia. That hospital
(04:36):
is very well known for top level treatment and as
far as it relates to trauma in the state of Georgia. Now,
the latest acts of violence in a US military installation site.
You know, these sites are supposed to be secure. They're
supposed to be the most secure in the country. I mean,
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you have guard shacks everywhere. These are military bases. It's
not easy to get on and off. However, when it's
one of your own, you can't. You can't secure against
that now. White House and Defense Department officials said President
Donald Trump and Secretary Peak Pete Hegseth have been briefed
on the shooting. The FBI was at the fort also
(05:20):
to help investigate that shooting. That from Deputy Director Dan Bongino.
White House Press Secretary Caroline Levitt shared a message on
x saying the President had been briefed on the shooting
at Fort Stewart. The quote, the President had been briefed
at the shooting Fort Stewart. I swear to God that's
(05:41):
how the article just read. The White House is monitoring
the situation, broke Caroline Lovett. Georgia Governor Brian Kemp said
he is keeping the victims, their families and all those
who answer the call to serve in their prayers and
it's now. This base is located forty miles south west
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of Savannah. It is the largest Army post east of
the Mississippi River. It's home to thousands of soldiers assigned
to the Army's third Infantry Division and their family members.
And if you're curious, one of the deadliest acts of
violence on US military bases was a two thousand and
(06:21):
nine US Army psychiatrist who attacked and killed thirteen people.
Remember that, you remember that in a shooting that left
more than thirty wounded at Fort Hood, which is a
Texas military base. In twenty thirteen, a defense contractor, contract
worker and former Navy reservists killed twelve people at the
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Washington Navy Yard. He was then killed in a gun
battle with police. In twenty fourteen, a soldier opened fire
on his fellow service members at Ford Hood, again killing
three people and wounding more than a dozen before killing himself.
And twenty nineteen, an aviation student open fire in a
classroom at the Naval Air Station in Pensacola. I've been
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there in Florida. That's where the Blue Angels fly out.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
They are so sick. Sorry, I don't go to get
off task. That is so sick.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Yeah. Well, this aviation student actually killed three people and
injured another dozen people, including two sheriff's deputies. Just days
earlier from that shooting, a US Navy pilot rather US
Navy sailors, shot two people to death before killing himself
at Pearl Harbor, which we all know, that's a naval
(07:34):
station in Waii. So prayers to those families.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
And I know these are these are the situations where
obviously everyone wants to know why, and they're looking for
someone to blame.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
I think would be another thing.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
A lot of people do want to how could this happen?
You know, who is responsible for this? Ultimately it's the shooter.
He is responsible for this, And I don't know. You know,
human behavior is not predictable. Responses to things I think
are somewhat in a realm of predictability. You know, if
you get punched in the face, you'll jump back, or
if you're you know, someone yells at you, you might
get scared or something if you're a kid. But but
(08:07):
to expect someone to come in and just open fire
on the on the team, it's just the ultimate betrayal.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Yeah, it's it's you know.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
What I mean by the team, like we're all nonsensical.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
I mean, it's it's just like you know, expect you
see it a lot with these mass shootings where there
is no why they did it. I mean, there's never
a good enough reason to do it, right. So, you know,
I guess we'll get answers at some point, but they're
going to do an investigation before they really release anything
of substance.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
And what we're gonna get is that he was pissed
off about something and that he is obviously maladapted to response,
or they're going to say, what mental illness. Well, I
mean he cleared some kind of checkpoints, so you know,
I don't either way. You didn't kill anybody, and so
for that, I'm thankful you.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Uh yeah, I mean think thankfully all these It looks
like all of these soldiers are going to survive and
good and these are already here raise even before they
have to.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
And junk right on jumped right in and took his
ass down. Yeah, oh, rah Man, good job, y'all, good job, seriously,
good job. You saved more lives than you probably we
would ever be able to count because we.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Don't know with the extent this could have been.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
So that's right, excellent, All right, Well, let's come right
here in our neck of the woods in.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Louisiana, Louisiana.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
I think you know this case pretty well with me, Jimmothy.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
But a Louisiana State trooper is sitting in an East
Feliciana jail after a woman claimed he battered her overnight.
The trooper, Derek Parrish, thirty eight was taken into custody
on charges of battery of a dating partner and arrest.
Warrant shows the trooper followed a woman into her bedroom,
where he forced her down on the bed, screamed in
her face, and bit her. Jimy bit her. I've heard
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of canine officers, but they usually handle canines. They don't
usually become the canine. The East Feliciana Parish Sheriff's office
was to the residence in the seventy nine hundred block
of Highway sixty three, and investigators noted her cheekbones showed
heavy bruising and swelling. She also had bruising on her
wrists and fingers and complained that she could not breathe.
Investigators noted that he had been drinking. Sources say that
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Parish is a road trooper in the troop A area.
A social media post from twenty fifteen welcomed Parish as
one of their newest members to join the ranks. Bond
was set at twenty five thousand dollars stay. Police tell
us that once he posts bond, he will be placed
on administrative leave.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
What do you think about that.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Jim, Well, I'm gonna prophes us with of course these
charges are alleged, but if true, no one likes a
dirty cop, especially one that beats on women. And it's
fucking disgusting. And you lost your man card, in my opinion,
that's what I think about it.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Yeah, well he lost his man card when he was
personally a jerk. To me, I dealt with this guy personally,
and hey, I think that karma is a bitch.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
I'll leave it at that.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
I would. I would concur.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
I've come across some amazing officers, troopers, you know, and
he is the epitome of what makes the bad name
ye for troopers.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Yeah, and I can tell you that good troopers and
good state policemen they don't want that ship on their
force either. No, they they don't want that either. You know.
Good policemen can't stay in ship like this. So this
is this is a him issue and not a police issue.
This is just he happened to be a policeman. Well
he is probably not anymore. Sorry you lose, He'll get
(11:36):
He'll get what he deserves, that's for sure in this situation.
Should those charges be proven as.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Accurate, good luck, Derek.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
We're gonna move to Arkansas. Now. Look, let me say
something before I cover this story, and I mentioned this
at the top of this broadcast, but I have gotten
so many requests over the last really month to cover
this case on some sort of podcast, and when I
(12:08):
dug into it, I see why. So let's get into
this case. After an Arkansas Supreme Court ordered the courts
to be made public, we now have a clear picture
of what happened the knight Aaron Spencer killed Michael Fossler,
lanok County man who had previously been arrested and charged
(12:29):
with sexual offenses against Spencer's teenage daughter. The court records
had been sealed pursuant to a broad gag order from
the circuit Judge Barbara Elmore, but last month, the Arkansas
Supreme Court struck down the gag order and criticized Elmore's actions.
According to records obtained by the Arkansas Time, Spencer initially
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called nine to one one just after one am on
October eighth of twenty twenty four to report his thirteen
year old daughter missing. Spencer told police he had been
awakened by his dog barking, went to his daughter's room
to check on her and saw she was missing. He
said he suspected she was with Fossler, who was sixty seven.
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Was sixty seven, who had been arrested in July and
charged with forty three counts, including sexual assault of a
miner and Internet stalking of a child, related to Fosslor's
pursuit of Spencer's then thirteen year old daughter. The arrest
affidavit for Spencer said he went to look for his
daughter Anne Fossler, after calling nine to one one the
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first time, the Lonoke County Sheriff's Office contacted Cabot Police
to ask them to check a specific address. Prior to
hearing back from Cabot Police, however, nine one one Dispatch
gets a second call from Spencer, who said he had
located the man who kidnapped his daughter, and he had
located his daughter, but that Fosslor was dead on the
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side of the road and that he quote had no choice.
The affidavit contained Spencer's recounts of how the deadly interaction unfolded.
Spencer saw Fosslor's white Ford F one fifty turn onto
the highway towards Fossler's home. He turned around and chased
Fosslor's vehicle, flashing his lights and honking his horn in
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an effort to get Fosslor to pull over. When the
two vehicles arrived at an intersection, Spencer rammed his truck
into the rear of Fosslor, sending the F one fifty
into a ditch. Spencer then stated he exited the vehicle
with his firearm in his hand, ordered Fosslor out of
his vehicle and to lay down in the ditch. Spencer
stated that he observed his daughter exiting the passenger's side
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of that vehicle, but it appeared that Fosslor had grabbed
her and stopped her from getting out. Spencer then stated
Fossler exited his vehicle and had something in his hand,
but Spencer did not know what it was was. Spencer
stated Fossler lunched towards him, saying fuck you. Spencer stated
he then opened fire on Fossler, emptying his weapon before
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jumping on top of him and pistol whipping him. Spencer
then stated he got his daughter out of the vehicle
and returned to the truck, where he reloaded his weapon
and called nine to one one. According to the police report,
Spencer shot Fosster in the chest, arms, and abdomen with
a glock nineteen. The report did not say how many
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times each body part was hit, though a standard magazine
for the glock nineteen holds fifteen rounds. Regarding the pistol
whipping of Fossler, the report noted there was blood on
the outside of the weapon when police discovered it. Spencer
bonded out of the low note kind of jail the
following day. In the case quickly drew attention both inside
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Arkansas and beyond. On November twenty seventh, the prosecutor's charged
Spencer with second degree murder in commission of felony with
a firearm. That same day, Spencer's attorneys issued a statement
calling Spencer a decorated warrior who protected his country and
a loving father whose heroic actions protected his family. They
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said Falslor repeatedly violated his child and kidnapped her in
the dark of the night to continue his assaults on her.
The statement criticized prosecutors for bringing charges against Spencer at all,
accused prosecutors of perpetrating these horrors instead of protecting legitimate
victims and punishing true criminal offenders, and thank those who
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had voiced their outrage over the treatment of airing his
child and the rest of his family the outrage they
had suffered. The following week, prosecutors added Judge Elmore for
an order preventing Spencer's attorneys and anyone else from saying
anything about the case. Spencer's attorneys filed a nineteen page
response to the prosecutor's motion. In less than thirty minutes later,
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Elmore granted the prosecutor's motion and entered into a gag order.
She also sealed the entire case file, but despite the
fact that neither side requested it. Spencer appealed that order,
and in March, the Arkansas Supreme Court stayed the case
pending their decision. On March twenty ninth, the High Court
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struck down the gag order and sent the case back
to Lonoke County for further proceedings. A pre trial hearing
is now scheduled for August eighth, and a five day
trial is scheduled to begin September twenty second. I promise
you I'll be following.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
That absolutely, And I may be mistaken, but I think
that his wife may have reached out to me.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
When did this happen? What was the date or what
does it say?
Speaker 1 (17:45):
It was? Back in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Yeah, I think his wife may have reached out to
me too back then, and I was kind of like, well,
I wonder if there's more to this story.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
But I'll tell you this right now.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Just looking at this article, and only looking at this article,
that charges were brought on this man, I don't agree.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
I do not agree. I do not.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Agree if he would have Okay, so let's break it down.
So he calls police, and what does he do. He
waits for police to show up to give a statement,
and his daughter is moving by the minute further and
further and further away from his home. He did what
any father, any man worth his salt, would have done,
in my opinion, He jumped in his vehicle. He found
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his baby, and he rammed the car to stop it,
to disable it. Now, if this was law, and again
I want everyone to know, I'm going just off the article.
Obviously there's been no trial, so this is all I.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Have to work with.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
But he got out of the vehicle, he drew down,
and it sounds to me he didn't immediately open fire.
He drew down, told him to get on the ground.
And then perspective is everything. Perception is everything, And I
don't care what the man had in his hand. If
Dad thought that it was a gun and then he
grabbed his daughter, why would someone on the ground who's
obviously not been caught kidnapping a minor grab the child
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other than any other reason than to do harm.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Well, he was in the car and the child went
to get out, and he grabbed her. Stopp her right,
But he wasn't on the ground at that point.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
But he had ordered him. I'm saying he had ordered him.
Didn't he say get on the ground, get out.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Of the truck. And he was still in the truck.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
So wherever he was either way, you don't grab it. Yeah,
for any other reason.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Yeah, so Dad said pop pop pop and pistol whip
for good measure, just to make sure he didn't get
back up.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
I disagree with this. I'm hoping that what's.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Going to happen is just because of the way that
the court system, the way that the wheels turn.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Okay, I'm hoping that.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
They look at this and say, we're obviously we're gonna
take some type of plea deal on something.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
If.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
I don't think that this should come to this, but
if it did, maybe he can fight it and win
or plee down to a you know, some type of
on negligent something or another.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
And yeah, I look, my personal thought, I don't blame
him for that. God bad for that guy either. He
didn't need to be breathing oxygen any fucking way, in
my opinion. And I have two daughters, and let me
tell you I would have I would have done the
same thing. And look, maybe the guy had something in
his hand and lunch that I'd have just said, I
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shot the some bitch because he didn't deserve to be
breathing oxygen.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Yeah, well, and he stopped future victims. That dad stopped
future victims. I don't agree with this unless we come
up into court and we find something that says an
email or text that says, hey, motherfucker, you know, come
to my house and my blew your brain's out, and
then he told him. You know, if that comes up, okay,
that changes circumstance. But right now, this just looks like
a dad who did what you're trained to do. He
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dialed nine to one one.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Well, they're they're throwing the look a lot of people
are upset because they're throwing the book at this guy.
They're charging him with second degree murder. That's life in prison.
So they're not even at least as of this point,
offering this guy ideal. You know, common sense. I understand
the law, and definitely this needs to play out, it
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needs to be in courtant I understand the law, but
common sense has to weigh in at some point. And
if there's a dad out there that can honestly say,
if you could get your hands on a man, a
sixty seven year old man, mind you, Yeah, that is
molesting your daughter over and over again to the point
that he kidnaps her, and you wouldn't do the same thing.
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We're not the same. No, we're not the same. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
No, this is okay. And people will get hateful about this.
I don't care.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
This is what I expect of a father, and I
know that that's a strong statement. I expect a father
to bust through fences, to climb mountains, to treadwater, to
dig in to save his babies. That's who you want
to be, your husband, That's who you want to be
the father of your children, the one that there's no bounds,
no limits to saving their babies.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
No doubt about it.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
This is a kid, This is a thirteen year old girl.
And you know this guy is sixty seven years old.
That's a grandfather. Yeah, it's And you think that you
can and didn't say soliciting like they were on the
computer or something that they were however they were.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Yeah, well internet's talking. Internet job was one of the children.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
So he's clearly a sex offender. He's clearly a perpetrator
upon our children. And when we weigh the two next
to each other, we've got a sixty seven year old
perpetrator of children versus it says a military man who
fought for our country, who rammed a fucking truck and
saved his daughter. They are not the same. Don't put
him on the same playing field respectfully. All right, Well
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you want to go back to Louisiana, Sure again, let's
do it, all right. And this is something too, This,
this situation is one that I personally kind of have
a passion about because it has to do with protective orders. Okay, So,
a man suspected of killing his girlfriend early Sunday before
turning the gun on himself had already been arrested twice
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for domestic violence. According to court records. He was also
reportedly violating his order of protective custody during the days
leading up to the incident. So around nine thirty am
Sunday morning, deputies with the East bat Rooge Paris Schriff's
Office were called to a residence near the intersection of
Arlene Avenue and Watson Drive, and this is in Central
which is near Ebr and Dinnim Springs where we are.
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They found Paul Varnado and his girlfriend, Elna Singleton, both
fifty four years old, dead from gunshot wounds. Authorities say
preliminary evidence suggests the case is a murder suicide. According
to Varnado's arrest documents, EBR Sheriff's deputies had been called
to the same address in June and found Singleton with
a swollen and bleeding left elbow, as well as multiple
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bus uses to her rear, her torso, and her ankle.
At the same time, Singleton told authorities Varnado thought that
she had taken his keys, which Singleton claimed she had not.
When Singleton tried to leave the trailer, she told investigators
that Varnado, in a full fit of rage, had man
handled her before shoving her down the stairs. Varnado told
authorities his girlfriend had gotten bruised from being under the
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trailer earlier in the day. Emergency medical services were also
called to the scene, according to the records.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Now after the incident, an.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Order of protective custody was filed against Varnado, prohibiting him
from coming within one hundred yards of Singleton. But on Sunday,
neighbors told investigators they had spotted Varnado staying with Singleton
for at least a few days before the deadly incident,
and this is according to Casey Rayburn Hicks, who was
the spokesperson for the Eber Sheriff's office. Hicks added that
it had been a neighbor that had called authorities to
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the scene Sunday after discovering one of them dead. Others
later reported hearing shots fired the night before. Varnado was
arrested in September of twenty twenty two for throwing his
then wife of fifteen years to the ground. According to
another arrest warrant at the time, his wife told authorities
that she had been cleaning the house when Varnado became enraged.
When her son told Varnado to not disrespect his mother,
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Varnado reportedly became more angry and began aggressively approaching her son.
When his wife tried to step in between the two,
varnado reportedly pushed her to the ground. In both cases,
Varnadou was convicted of domestic abuse battery.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
So let me just.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Say this, A protective order is a piece of paper
meant to be reactive. It's only there so that we
can do something to him should he violate it. They
don't do anything.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
I agree. That was exactly what I was gonna say.
So kJ stole on thunder, y'all, I was gonna say,
A protective order is a no. No.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
I was the lightning, now you're the thunder.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Now one hundred percent agree with you. It is. It's
just a piece of paper. Look, it's if you are
in that situation, you certainly need to get that because
of nothing else. It's a paper trail of the abuse.
But don't rely on that, because a batterer is not
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going to stay away just because the police tell them
to stay away, or her for that matter. I mean,
there's guys that get abused domestically. It's certainly not as common,
but it does happen, So a him or her. This
situation just got worse and worse as Kelly just covered.
There were history every time where this escalated, and that
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is the result at some point for a lot of people,
it ends up murtyr.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
If they will hit you, they will kill you.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
If you look up any domestic violence website, any data,
any research on domestic violence. If a person will strike you,
they will kill you at some point, if they're willing to. Jim,
I can't imagine hitting you. Now, obviously this wouldn't be domestic.
But I'm just saying I can't imagine hitting you. I
don't care how pissed off. Like Jim told me my
hair looked bad this morning.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
I did not.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
He did. He said, what are you gonna do with
that hair?
Speaker 1 (27:10):
That's what I said. I didn't say.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
But no, I can't imagine hitting you.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
No matter how mad I've gotten at my spouse, I'm
not going to hit him. So that's that's love. Love's patient,
it's kind, you know, it's all of those things. And
so then people will come out and maybe I'll say this.
Maybe when I was younger, I'm like, well, why would
she allow him back at the house. That's done when
I was younger. Now that I'm in my forties and
the more I of I experienced, and I've understand, I understand,
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and I've researched, and I've been in the criminal justice
system as a not as a perpetrator, but as someone
who's been involved with victims. This is part of the
abuse cycle, right, the love bombing though, oh I'm sorry,
I'll never do that again, and blah blah blah blah,
and then you let the person back in.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
And it's part of that cycle of domestic abuse.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
And look, there's a lot of a lot of people
play that control fact. And I'll say, sadly, I'm a man,
but I'll say not sadly that I'm a man. Glad
I'm a man, but sadly men are known for doing this, okay.
And they will have a wife and that wife maybe
she's just got a part time job or she's stay
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at home mom, and you know, the husband works at
a chemical plane or something like that, and he's making
plenty of money, but he likes to go home and
knock his wife around a little bit after having too
much fireball. Whatever case may be. Well, the problem is
these ladies are in a situation where they have nowhere
to go. They've got maybe three kids, their stay at
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home mom or they work and just it's a part
time gig, right, and they feel like, what am I
gonna do? I'm stuck in this situation and it's horrible.
You know. One thing that I preach to my daughter's
constantly is never ever rely on a man for a living.
Ever make your own money. Even if you're mad and
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your husband is a top notch attorney at the biggest
firm or a doctor a cardiologist, make sure that you
make your own money, because there's a difference between being
in a relationship when you have to and being in
one when you want to. And it's usually bullshit like
this that occurs, and the females in that situation. I
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don't know this lady's situation. I feel so horrible for
her family. Maybe I don't know. Maybe she did have
a job that she was making a ton of money.
She might have been killing it. But most situations like this,
these people want to leave, they don't want to stay,
and most times they're not even in love with these
guys anymore. They just don't know what they're gonna do.
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And I think that for them it hurts.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
It's the cycle.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
I'm gonna bet that this was lower income because they
said the trailer. And I don't mean anything negative by that.
I'm just saying I'm the totatality of the circumstance here.
But your primal instinct as a mother, right is to
protect your children at all costs.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
And I think it.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
I don't want to say admirable, that's not the word,
but I understand it when a woman maybe is in
a bad position, but she wants her children to be
clothed and fed and housed. And so it's not ship
for your kids. But let me tell you what my
husband has preached, just like you. You're a good daddy.
I'm married to a fantastic husband. And when you said
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don't rely on them, And this isn't a man hater
club either.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
This is meet a man who's your match, right, and
that y'all are equals.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
So in the event though that it doesn't go right,
and in the event that something happens, you always have
out in our household and it's daddy and mama. So
that's something we want our girls to know to You're
never stuck. You are never ever ever stuck. We're gonna
make good choices and hopefully you know lead by trouble
and Daddy'll save you if anyone else wont.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
But some people may not have that, their parents may
have passed. You know, every situation is different. So at
the end of the day, rely on yourself would be
my advice. Make sure that you are good. And let
me tell you, as a man, I would much rather
be married to a woman that I know, that I
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that I am aware does not have to have me
to make a living, that she's actually with me because
she kind of digs me. She's not with me because
I got a bunch of money, because you've got our
own money that that I dig. So anyway, horrible situation,
City prayers and there are options. Look, ladies, they do
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have better women's shelters and things like that that you
you can go to, and a lot of these are
held in secret. There's ways to get the information, but
a lot of them do not promote that, you know,
because they don't want men showing up. Where's my wife?
So look into that. If you're in that situation, please
get out of it because this is the end result.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
Yeah, our local shriff's office just for example, and if
you if you're wondering, okay, are low Sheriff's office has
a wonderful set of women that and men obviously, but
women that are part of their program to help the
battered women. All you have to do, guys, is pick
up the phone that sure dial your local law enforcement.
They will guide you, they will help you, they will
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help your children. And there's people like me and Jim
and other people in the community that all you have
to do is list your needs. You would be shocked
how much this community can come together and help people.
So you're not stuck. Chin up, make the phone call
and save yourself.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
You can do it.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
There, you got it, not alone. Let's go to Tennessee
and a man hunt for a suspect in the Tennessee
killing of four people and the kidnapping of a baby
ended Tuesday when he was taken into custody. Austin Robert Drummond,
twenty eight, was taken into custody in Jackson, Tennessee, by
the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation. This came after a week
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long main hunt. Now during a news conference Tuesday afternoon,
law enforcement officials said Drummond was captured after multiple community
residents spotted him and called nine to one. One quote,
this is the perfect, perfect example of police and community cooperation. Drummond,
who had been considered armed and dangerous, is the prime
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suspect in the July twenty ninth killing of thirty eight
year old Courtney Rose. Rose's children, twenty year old Adriana
Williams and fifteen year old Braden Williams, and Adriana Williams's boyfriend,
twenty one year old James Michael Wilson. The victims were
found along the road in Lake County, which is in
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northwest Tennessee. The same day, Wilson and williams baby was
left in the car seat in a random individual's front
yard in nearby Dyer County, Tennessee. Authority said Drummond knew
the victims through his girlfriend, who was the daughter of
Rose and the sister of Adriana and Braden. A motive
for the killing remains under investigation. During a news conference Tuesday,
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law enforcement officials said that Drummond was captured after multiple
community residents spotted him in Jackson around eight am and
called nine one one. Shout out to those people for
paying attention. Quote. This is a perfect example of police
and community cooperation. Jackson Police Chief Tom Corley said residents
spotted Drumming around at eight a m. Tuesday, Mary vacant
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building investigators believed the suspect had been hiding in. He said.
Officers rushed to the area as more nine to one
one calls came in, including one at eight fifty seven
am that helped officers pinpoint Drumming's location in the woods
near a vacant building. They took him into custody at
nine five am, and Drummond is facing four counts of
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first degree murder, one count of aggravated kidnapping, a slew
of other chargers, and during the search for Drumming, police
also arrested four people accused of being accessories after the
fact to the homicide.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
Well, there's just I'll just there's widespread suffering here and
I think you can tell a whole lot of people
are going to be affected by this, even schools because
of the age of the young one and the loss
of their friend, you know, and so prayers, thoughts and
if you know something, say something.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
If you think that someone is.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
Capable of this, obviously you speak up, you know, and
get away, don't.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Yeah, great job shout out to the community for excellent
who essentially caught this guy.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Yeah, excellent. All right.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
Now here's another one that's uh, this one's this one's
kind of wild. All right, we're gonna go to Maryland.
So a Maryland mother whose two kids vanished more than
a decade ago has now been indicted on murder charges
for a second time. Catherine Hoggle, thirty eight, of Clarksburg,
was indicted by a grand jury on two counts of
first degree murder in connection with the presumed deaths of
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Sarah and Jacob Hoggle. Authorities have said Hoggle was the
last known person to see three year old Sarah and
two year old Jacob alive when they disappeared in September
of twenty fourteen. They have never been found. At that time,
Hoggle explained to her boyfriend, and he was also the
father of her children, that she had placed their daughter
and son in a new childcare center, but Hoggle refused
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to divulge their whereabouts when Troy Turner planned to pick
up the children. He has since spearheaded countless searches and
even launched a Facebook page which was fine Sarah Fine Jacob. Hogle,
who has struggled with mental illness, was initially charged with murder,
but those charges were dropped after a court founder to
be not competent to stand trial. She has spent the
past several years in a psychiatric facility, but she was
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released from the hospital last month. She has not commented
on the children's whereabouts to authorities, so the Montgomery County
State Attorney's Office said Hoggle was arrested Friday, August first,
after investigators learned that she had been discharged from the facility.
And she is scheduled to have a bond review hearing
on Monday. And that is giving me total vibes of
who is it that drowned all of her children? Andrea Yates. No,
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that has given me total Andrea Yates vibes.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Yeah, except for at least they've found Andrew Yate's families.
And I'll say this, I don't understand this at all.
I mean, if you're deemed mentally too mentally unstable to
stand trial, then how the fuck are you stable enough
to get out of hospitals mental hospitals and just be free?
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How is that possible? I don't understand that she's been
now charged. Thankfully, she's going to be charged with murder
of these kids, and it'll come out as to whether
they did that. But obviously this is the suspicion. They
wanted to try her for it already, and she was
too crazy, according to authorities, to even be tried. So
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she goes to a mental hospital, and now she's getting
released and walking amongst society. Nobody even knows where these
poor babies are three and two years old.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Yet three and two can't.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
I mean, honestly, they're not alive anymore, right.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
Three and two can't just disappear. I mean, they're they're
they're they're at risk ages. The only thing I could think,
because I was trying to process this, is maybe they
charged her, but because of how bad they didn't have
a body, or two they didn't have bodies, they didn't
have much. Maybe they dropped it and were to build
a stronger case. And that's why once she was released,
then they went and rearrested her.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
So what it says. It says those charges were dropped
after a court found her to not be competent to
stay in trial.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Yeah, but then she was his psychiatric hospital.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
Now she's out, but I.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Want well, But then they went and rearrested her.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
So yes, but my point is she wasn't competent the
first time, so they put her in a hospital. How
do you get out? I mean, I don't know. No,
I'm with you, don't understand.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
I'm with you one hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
I think this is one of those breakdowns in the
system that that this kind of stuff happens, because obviously
the children are nowhere, could be found. There's not a
reason that you're suspect number one, who's already been thought
so strongly of being responsible for this, has already been charged,
but then dropping the charges because you're incompetent to stay
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in trial. I mean, obviously I'm no attorney, but you
could still be committed.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
Right, and she was for a few years.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
Yeah, so shouldn't there be a reevaluation.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
It seems like it seems like that's my point. Yeah,
eleven years this is eleven years ago this occurred, and
important nobody. Yeah, it's just god that.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Poor dad, and then to not know where your babies
are resting.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
We'll see. I mean, I don't know how you can
find her competent the second time and not the first time.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Let me tell you this too. I worked in prison.
We all know that.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
And they have units where the criminally insane are housed.
In these prisons, okay, And that was one of the
biggest things. And I think people would agree if you
ever experienced it when you go to prison. Prison is
not a place for crazy, Okay. Prison is a place
for evil. If I have to just kind of break
it down, Okay, you do wrong, you do I guess
(40:10):
evil strong. But some people are evil. But some people
just you know, they do horrible things too. But when
you are crazy, when you're crazy, punitiveness doesn't work.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
You cannot You can't fix that with punitiveness.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
You know, locking someone up for ten years won't fix
the fact that you were completely fucked in the head.
So what happens, though, is our system is not designed
to differentiate between the two. You do a criminal act
like your children go missing, which obviously we would agree
she did something to these children, and then we ship
them off to prison, and then prison is not a
facility that's gonna make that any better or fix it.
(40:48):
So the psychiatric hospital would have been the best place
for her, to be sure, for a multitude of reasons.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
Right now, I get it, all right, Let's move on.
Let's go to air Zon and we're going to talk
about Kelly's favorite app which is TikTok Oh.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
I love me some talk. My mama says the Chinese
They're gonna get all your information.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
I'm like, well they follows absolutely No TikTok rules, y'all none.
And she says, I wonder why how come only two
hundred people have watched this clip or something. And I'm like, well,
you cussed in at nine.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
I'm not saying schmurder. That is the dust, tiptop, tiptop
whatever it's got start. No, that's the app I'm gonna
start tiptop top where you can, won't.
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