Serial Killer: John Jobert

In this episode of Unspeakable: A True Crime Podcast by Kelly Jennings, KJ tells the horrific story of John Jobert, a serial killer who terrorized the states of Nebraska and Maine in the early 1980’s.

Timestamps
14:17 The Search Begins
19:51 Discovery of Danny's Body
24:00 The Autopsy Report
29:35 Community's Response
34:02 The Second Abduction
41:21 Christopher's Disappearance
49:46 Investigative Challenges
1:00:37 Suspect Identification
1:03:11 John Jobert Arrest
1:10:51 Cliffhanger

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:06):
Welcome to Unspeakable, a true crime podcast where I tell
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not your girl. Listening discretion is advised. Hey y'all, kJ,
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get started, I got to address something. It's it's very
important to me. Last week, whenever I released my episode,
I did not catch it that whenever I was saying
I was supposed to be saying Naitisia because that's her name,
and a few times I accidentally said tiny Niche. I
was caught up in the storytelling and transposed the words yeah.
I'm sorry. That was an absolute inadvertent mistake. I would

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never do that on purpose, and when I'm talking, I
don't quite always nunciate or pronounce things correctly. But that's
my bad, and I will do better, and I want
you to know I do recognize it, but I had
already recorded and it was already scheduled for release. But
thank you so much to everybody for paying attention because
victims' names should be said correctly time. So please accept

(03:01):
my apology, and I hope that you can love me
through it all. Right now, I have some shout outs
too that I want to give, and today we're going
to be right here in Jennim Springs with miss Holly Myers. Hey, Holly,
I have you right here on my list, and I
know who exactly who you are because I taught you
when you were a young teen, mister Jim Constant. Now
you have been a fan or a listener for a
long time, and I was surprised when I saw your

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name because I said, wait minute, I know him over
there in Julie, Florida. So hey, mister Jim, I'm waving
to you. Thank you so much. And then Will and
I believe it's Huber or is it Huber? Will Huber?
I think that might be it. But how are you Will?
Over there? Right in my neck of the woods, Baton Rouge, Louisiana.
I'm so thankful to have all of y'all, and the

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men are coming in strong here joining this Patreon, so
I'm really appreciative of that. So today's case. Look, some
cases are so incredible no matter how much time passes,
it still sticks with people. It's one of those cases.
Someone messaged me and said, why do all podcasters sometimes

(04:03):
go and do the same cases. Well, that's not what
it is. It's that some cases are so profound that,
as someone who is invested in true crime, these matter.
These are big cases and they affect people widely, and
so it's not that we're all doing the same cases.
It's that these are the cases and they are just incredible.

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So my friends and listeners in Nebraska can attest to
this statement. When I bring you to Bellevue, Nebraska, and
this is going to be in the early morning hours
of Sunday, September eighteenth, nineteen eighty three, and the radio
was often bumping the biggest hit of the year from

(04:48):
Flash Dances Show, and the song was Maniac. She's a
Maniac Maniac. We know that song right well. To be
thirteen years old at this point, was right old enough
to make a few bucks, but still a kid. And
this was the reality for thirteen year old Danny Joe
every Now he had gotten himself a paper boy route

(05:13):
for the world Harold and very, very responsible was this kid.
He was a go getter. He set goals for himself
and he would hit those goals, which was really nice
for a kid of this age. And a prime example
I can give you is that Danny had his eye
on this prized bike that he wanted, and he wanted

(05:33):
it so bad, but he was told by his parents,
you have to earn it. If you want to make
some money, then you can go get exactly what you want,
but you will earn that money. And he did just
that by talking to his parents, making a plan and saying,
I'd like to take on a paper route, and they
said yes, you can do that. I'm proud of you.

(05:54):
This is an awesome step for you to take. So
with their blessing, he got the job and he was
off to make that cold hard cash and he wanted
to get that bike, which he eventually did. Hell yeah,
I remember my first little BMX bike that I got.
Now I got it for Christmas. But he earned his.
But what a cool feeling when you're young and it's
yours and you made the money to earn it. So

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he was your average thirteen year old in no doubt
right in a lot of ways, but his level of
responsibility was something to be commended. And he was one time.
He was a kid that was always ready to work
and he was very dependable, and what a great thing
to be known for. He was tough and he was

(06:37):
a go getter type of kid. Now, look, Danny was
a handsome and I will use the term all American
boy because it is if you look at him, all
American boy. He was originally born in Bangkok, Thailand, which
I thought was really cool. But he's a handsome fella.
He's got light brown hair and he was entering that

(06:59):
age where you hit the growth spurt and you're hit
their faces start to kind of thin out, they lose
that baby fat that they've carried for so long, and
he's looking much more teen like young young teen, but
he's starting to look more like a teenager athletic kid,
and he looks like he's just a cool guy. That's
what Danny was. And he was one of five children,
which tells me that he probably had some pretty good

(07:23):
get along skills with other people. You know, you have
all these siblings, you learn how to share and you
learn how to mitigate issues. And so his parents were
very proud of him, and it was a kind of
sweet thing that he was delivering these newspapers because his
own dad was a mail carrier at one point, and
so it was almost like he was helping to carry

(07:44):
the torch of news like his old pops had done
in times gone by. So I mean, honestly, his dad
probably was delivering bills and things that weren't that great,
but you get the point. Like father, like son, he
was going to deliver that those papers for people in
their early in the early mornings, and so as such,
he had plans on the early morning of September eighteenth

(08:05):
to meet his supervisor behind the nearby dairy queen. And
this is kind of funny, and I don't know why
it tickled me, but Danny had a quirk about him
that he loved to be barefoot. He loved to be
barefoot so much that he left the house with no
shoes on to go do a paper route on a bicycle.
And I don't know, what a what a boy, what

(08:27):
a little man right there? You know, Hell, I don't
need my shoes to be I like to rough at barefoot.
So they would meet there, he and a supervisor behind
that dairy queen, and they were gonna exchange papers for
him to go then distribute. Now, Danny had parents that
loved him, and they were very careful about their son.
They told him, you've got to be careful. There is

(08:48):
risk in everything that you do. But we're gonna you know,
you can deliver the morning paper on a Sunday. It's
it's quite easy, like Sunday morning. You just out there
very very early. But there's always risk in anything that
you do. And just recently, another young newspaper boy, his
name was Johnny Gosh, he had just gone missing. And
so Johnny's picture was one that actually was one of

(09:14):
the very first ones that was featured on milk cartons
back whenever they were doing the milk carton campaign for
missing children. That little boy, Johnny was one of the
first kids that was featured on these milk cartons. And so,
you know, don't talk to strangers, don't go where you're
not supposed to be, just deliver the paper, YadA, YadA, YadA.
And so he knew this. He said, yes, sir, yes ma'am,

(09:35):
and he was going to do the right thing. So
he was given seventy newspapers whenever they met up, but
he was also given inserts for each of these newspapers,
and it was kind of aggravating, I guess, because they
weren't the inserts weren't already in the newspapers. So he's
given this stack of seventy and then another stack of inserts,

(09:56):
and Danny would have to manually place each insert into
each paper before he could go do his route. And
he was like, dang, man, it's nineteen eighty three. There's
not an easier way for this to be done. I
have to manually do it. I'm sure that's what he
was thinking. But Danny sat down and started stuffing those
papers and he completed the task, he then picked him

(10:17):
all up, put him in his bike bag, which was
kind of on his handlebars. He got it all situated
and then stood up, threw that leg over, pressed down
on that pedal, and he was off for the ride
down the road to start throwing those papers down into
the driveways. And his ride took him southward and it
was down what was called Madison Avenue, and that's where

(10:39):
he started tossing out the papers like normal. The breeze
was cool, and that early morning time was a little slow.
It was just a nice bike ride and it was
a quiet, slow morning. The third house on his route
was that of doctor Joseph Troya. Now Doctor Troya was

(10:59):
a church going man, and he left out early that
morning to head to church. And he saw Danny's bike
leaning against his fence full of newspapers in that handlebar satchel.
So he was still really early on his bike route,
so the bag was still full up, so doctor Troyo
would have to just read his newspaper when he got

(11:20):
back from church because he was leaving. So when the
services ended and he and his family waved goodbye and
then they headed back to the house, for some Sunday relaxation.
He was really surprised when he pulled up and Danny's
bike was still leaning against the fence hours later, and
it still had newspapers in it. He noticed this as

(11:42):
he kind of pulled into his driveway and parked. So
it was odd for sure. And doctor troya knew who
Danny was. He would never leave that bike. That was
not something that he was gonna do. Doctor Troy he
was a father himself, and so he really became concerned
whenever he saw that. So he told his son Joe,

(12:03):
he said, look, go go grab his bike for me.
Place it inside of our fence, because I don't want
another kid to ride off on his bike or the
bike to get stolen. So go move the bike for him.
Dany'll probably come back and get it whenever whatever happens.
But Danny never came back for the bike. And it
turns out that Danny should have been done with his
paper route by eight am, like that's how early he started.

(12:27):
He should have been done by eight am, but he
didn't return home by eight point fifteen am. Danny's dad,
his name was Leonard, He came knocking on the doctor's
door looking for his son. The reason he stopped at
that house was because he saw the bike that was
put in the yard for safe keeping. So when mister

(12:50):
Leonard saw his son's bike, he's like, whoo, what a
relief right there? He is His dad was worried something
may have happened to him, but that knucklehead was probably
you know, bumping his gums and lost track of time
and talking to mister troya But when doctor Troy opened
the door, mister Leonard's fears were realized because the doctor
told him I never saw Danny. I just saw his bike.

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And so they started talking about what was going on,
and the hair on the back of Leonard's you know,
next stood up, what do you mean it's been hours
And the Doctor's like, I don't know. I don't know
why he left the bike here. So, realizing this very quickly,
Dad took off to go to the police station because
his son was not one to do this, so he

(13:36):
made a report and when it was all said and done,
kidnapping was believed to have been what occurred here. So
they believed this because they also had scoured the neighborhood
looking for him. They had spoken to friends, you know,
did all sorts of things looking for him, and they
couldn't find him. Now assessing the situation, Danny had only

(13:57):
made three of his seventy delivery and he had been
gone now for hours that we knew something was wrong here, right,
So foul play was considered here because he was nowhere
to be found. They even checked hospitals. Maybe he got
hit by a car, who knows, and someone picked the
bike up for him, but that was just not the case.

(14:17):
So local police decided they were going to need additional
help here, and they very quickly reached out to the FBI.
Now why would they jump so quickly to the FBI, Well,
it's kind of cool. Historically, I wanted to tell you something.
This was when President Reagan he had just recently added
kidnapping of children as well as murder, but kidnapping of

(14:38):
children to be under federal jurisdiction, and so the FBI
was to be involved in this type of case. So
Agent Pat Thomas he was actually this is later on
in the day, but he was coaching little league when
he got the call for help. He obviously liked kids,
and so you know, he's coaching little ones. So he
says all right, I'm on my way. I'm on the case.

(15:00):
He jumped right in his car and jumped on this
this case immediately, and he started with the obvious. All right,
let's canvass the area and let's see who saw what, when,
we're why and how. They also spoke to all of
Danny's little friends. They spoke to known relatives anywhere that
he might have gone or been, and they even got

(15:21):
the local kids involved, which I thought was kind of
cool to an extent. Okay, they didn't tell him everything,
but they said, look, where are y'all's hideouts. Do y'all
have forts? Is there a treehouse that everybody likes to
hang out in? Or is there somewhere we as adults
would not know that y'all liked to go hang out.
And they checked everywhere, and they checked all throughout the night.

(15:42):
They spent fifteen hours straight looking for Danny. They searched fields,
they searched anywhere, and I want to really impress upon
that this was not a half assed search. They were
looking and looking hard for him, and his little friends
were even helping. But nothing absolutely radio silent on Danny. So,

(16:04):
as I've already stated, this boy was responsible. He would
never have blown off his paper route and that bike
man that was his prized possession. He's not leaving it.
It just wouldn't happen. So as day broke the following morning,
obviously the media was getting wind of the situation and

(16:25):
they became involved, asking the public for help. And these
are the days of quickly rolling out posters, print outs,
anything that they could remember. These are the days before
social media, right, and so crime stoppers they set up
a response team and they just infiltrated this community. Everybody,
please stop what you're doing and help and look for him.

(16:48):
But one day turned into two, and then two days
turned into three, and there was no sightings, no word, nothing,
And this horrible waiting game for this family is basically
what was taking place. Minutes felt like hours, and days
now felt like years. Where can my son be? Who

(17:12):
would take him? Did somebody actually take him? Of course
they did. They had to have all these thoughts going
through this mother's mind and this father's mind. Was he hurt?
Was he being fed? Was he being cared for? You know,
the feeling of just helplessness made them just suffocate under
the weight, you know of everyone that loved him was suffocating,

(17:34):
they couldn't come up for air. Where is he Well?
On the third day that he was missing, an additional
massive search was set up again, tons of people involved,
and I think it's really cool as a community. I
remember recently we had a little boy go missing really
close to my house, and he was from an area

(17:56):
that's not an affluent area. It's a very low, low income,
high crime area. But something in me, as a mother,
as a human being, it just I couldn't go home
and just say, God, that kid's missing. It just tugged
at me horribly, and so I wanted to also teach

(18:16):
my own kids that we always were helpers, and so
we loaded up in the car. I drove to the
area where the kid was missing from. There was police
set up, and said, Hey, where can I go? Can
I help search? And they were like, you know, they're
not gonna give me much information, but they're like, yo,
I mean, anything's great. So my kids and I spent
probably an hour and a half two hours just slowly
driving through the roads and everything in the area, just

(18:38):
looking for the little fella. And my heart was breaking
that he was gone. But it's kind of a funny
story at the end, of that one, they did find him.
He was actually underneath a trailer house like on his street,
So heavy end ink on that one. But when you
don't know, anybody who has a heart would want to help,
That's what is happening here. So they're three days in,

(19:00):
lots of people are out looking and a perimeter was
determined by police and then they kind of set up
a grid to search from everybody spread out over this grid.
But on this third day the search would not take long.
Matter of fact, only thirty minutes in the search was
called off. So searchers had spread out across a highway

(19:22):
and it had ditches on either side, and they were
just walking step for step along. You know, I'm gonna say,
arm's length out, but how are they the grid? And
they're just walking step for step looking in this grass.
And thirty minutes in, a deputy located Danny's body laying
there in the open, and he yelled out the code

(19:44):
I found the package. That was the code that they
would use to tell everybody I've got him. And so
this search team of over one hundred and thirty men
and women just felt the air sucked out of the
lungs because Danny was not alive. Danny was dead. His

(20:05):
condition was one so bad that the officer who found
him became emotional in the moment and literally had to
step away to compose himself. Because when it comes to kids,
it may be your child, but it's our kid. Does
that make sense? Like you have to love everyone in

(20:27):
your community on that level, and especially a kid, because
now this is an offense not only against his family
whatever has happened here, but it should make everybody upset.
And police are no different. You come up, you don't
want to see a kid in the condition that Danny
was in. He was stripped of all of his clothing
except for his black boxers. He was tied up with rope,

(20:52):
and I wanted to know what did it mean to
be tied up? Like? Were his wrists in front of
him and he'd had rope around his wrists. I saw
the crime scene photo of this, and I'm going to
tell you he was hogtied. If you know what that is,
that's what we would commonly call it hogtide. His arms

(21:12):
were tied behind his back together and his feet his
ankles were tied together like and bent back behind him.
No wonder this man was so upset with what he saw.
The child had certainly suffered brutality beyond anything that it
would have taken to kill this kid, absolute overkill and

(21:37):
just from what could have been assessed right there on site.
His body was determined by detectives to have been moved
from the original murder site because there were pebble impressions
in his skin, but where he lay there was no
gravel at all, so this had to be a secondary

(21:58):
dump sight. Now, the official cause of death for little
Danny would have to be declared at autopsy, but no
matter what on scene, there was no question that this
was a brutal homicide of a child. The coroner came
and collected the body, and now it was time to

(22:18):
break the news to the family. Now, the family basically
all knew before the words even came out of their mouth.
If if you know what I'm saying, The looks on
their faces, the demeanor, everything told them what they needed
to know before the words were even said. And Danny,
like I told you, he had multiple siblings. All of

(22:39):
those kids had to go be collected from school, taken
out of class, and then driven by their parents, who
I'm sure their hearts were beating out of their chest.
They probably wanted to vomit and couldn't think straight. To
save their lives, they brought them all up into the
police station and then that's when the news was broken
to them their son and their brother had been murdered.

(23:06):
So now left to explain this to Danny's young siblings
because they all were younger kids. The family tried their
best to hold it together. But this is a loss
that nobody nobody, I don't care who you are, nobody
wants this type of loss in their life. I don't
ever want to be a part of that club. I

(23:29):
remember my mother in law told me one time my
brother in law was killed, and one time she told me.
We were sitting there and she said, you know some
clubs it's okay to not be a member of. And
I'll never forget that because she's so right. I don't
want to be a part of that club. So to

(23:50):
answer the unknowns that his mother and father and family
members had been aching over for the last few days,
those questions of was he in pain, was he scared? Well?
The pathologists report, unfortunately would not help his parents or
anybody sleep better at night, because the findings were that

(24:13):
her child, her baby boy, had been stabbed to death.
When his body was recovered, I told you his hands
and his feet were bound behind his back. So this
meant that Danny virtually had no way of fighting back none.
He was tied back vital organs, you know, pressed forward

(24:35):
for whomever wanted to do whatever they wanted to do
to this kid. And he also couldn't yell out because
his mouth was taped shut with this thick surgical tape.
And when that tape was removed, the doctor noted that
there was a pebble stuck either in Danny's mouth or
on the stuck to the sticky side of the tape

(24:57):
into his lips, if you're getting the picture of what
I'm saying. So during that autopsy, it's doctor Blaine Roffman
who did this. He would locate a total of eleven
stab wounds to this child. Eight of those wounds were
absolute penetrating stabbing wounds to his body. Three of them

(25:21):
were less deep and more like little punctures to him,
not the full throttle stabs. One of them was to
the back of his neck now on the back of
one of his legs. It was as left thigh. He
had a gaping wound. Gaping meaning wide open, not a

(25:44):
slice wide open, and it covered the full length of
the back of his left thigh. It was eleven inches wide.
So I want you to understand what I'm saying. The
child was cut basically from under his buttocks down to
the bend of the back of his knee, but it
was eleven inches wide, almost a foot wide. This wound

(26:07):
was so basically his flesh had been cut away clear
to the bone behind his leg. But most important to
note here was that nine of the eleven wounds were
inflicted before death. This is absolutely what was stated in

(26:29):
the autopsy. Young Danny felt each and every one for
certain of nine of those stab wounds. Doctor Roffman was
also very clear that Danny's death was not instantaneous, and
it was not quick. It's a mother's and a father's

(26:52):
worst nightmare. It's bad enough he's gone. But now you're
thinking through your head, maybe it was quick, Maybe he didn't. No,
maybe he would. No. I'm sorry, that's just not the case.
Your child suffered, and he suffered immensely. Danny also had
received at least one traumatic blow to his head because

(27:15):
there was hemorrhaging to the top of his skull. His
throat had been slashed, and there were teeth marks from
his assailant visible, so at some point whoever had killed
him had bitten him during the attack. I mean, this
is an animalistic type of just almost psychopathy, you know,

(27:38):
psychotic what happened to this kid? And overall, Doctor Roffman
noted that Danny was aware of the circumstances happening to him,
and he suffered quote undue pain and suffering. Now, I
know what I'm telling you is heavy. I know it's
a lot, but this is where my passion comes in.
Because things come across the news and they go a

(28:00):
child was murdered, and we're like, oh, that's horrible, Oh
my god, that is horrible. But when you get down
to the nitty gritty of what actually happened, the reality
of what happened, it should just evoke a fire under
your ass that this is not just a kid was murdered.

(28:20):
This is way more than that will ever be and
it's hurtful and it makes us sick, and it should
and it should be reflected in our justice system. Please
remember that it's never as simple as oh, someone was murdered.
Oh someone was raped, oh, somebody was whatever, It's never
that simple. It was Danny's own father who was the

(28:44):
one who had to go positively id him at the morgue.
And in that condition. We don't think about these things,
do we. We don't think about these small things that
are actually the big things. The ripple effect of damage
that is done. The identification of a child has to
be made, and to see your baby boy in that

(29:07):
condition is not natural. It's not something a parent should
ever have to do. Yet someone had to go go
do it and then look at their boy laying there
and the realization that someone out there walking the streets
right now willingly did this to my baby. So police

(29:32):
now had a job to do, and it was to
find out who did it. But leads were slim to none,
which is never good. The pebble that was in the
tape became a great source of focus for the police
in that moment because they thought, Okay, if we can
locate maybe where this pebble originated from, the type of

(29:54):
rock or wherever it may have originated from, then this
could bring us leads. It could give us a location.
Then that could give us, okay, who was in this
area and who frequents here, and la la la la la.
So police worked hard. They put a ton of effort
into figuring out where a pebble came from, and they
really got energized because they finally believed that they had

(30:14):
found where that pebble originated from. But that's when a
huge blow came to their case. Because y'all, as people,
as humans, we make mistakes, and nobody does it on purpose.
And this is a very serious, very serious situation, but
it doesn't mean mistakes don't happen. And a big mistake

(30:35):
had been made because it came to the medical examiner's
attention that he actually had made an error in his
report when he was doing his reports, he had confused
two cases that he worked that day and he documented
the pebble on the wrong case that rock was not

(30:57):
actually or that pebble was not actually from Danny's case.
And so it was wasted time. It was sucking the
wind out of the sales of the police. Now like,
oh my god, now everything we were trying to work
towards has been for not But they had to go
back to the drawing board. Now something beautiful, if I

(31:17):
can say this, and kudos to that community is. Do
you know they took it upon themselves to fly flags
at half staff for that family and for that child.
The community was so hurt by this, and y'all, half
staff is usually for dignitaries or for you know, things

(31:39):
of that nature or something. But to get this honor
without request from your community, to acknowledge that your child
meant that much to us that we will lower our
national flag to half staff for him, it's simply to
me overwhelming, because I believe in the power of our
flag and to know that they thought that much of

(32:01):
this child is beautiful and those people should be commended
for I think for the symbolism in that. Now it
was nineteen eighty three, so this number may not seem big,
but a twenty three thousand dollars reward was built and
offered for tips that might lead to the arrest of
someone involved in this, and so obviously money comes up.

(32:22):
Tips start rolling in, and this included people calling in
about a green van. So I call this the green
van leads. Okay, So the police spent a lot of
time going through records and figuring out where the green
vans were and who who drove a green van. All
of that was time wasted. There was no green Van

(32:44):
to do with any of this. So now forensically came
more hope again nineteen eighty three. Please don't put us
to twenty twenty five standards. But the rope became a
main piece of evidence because it was the makeup of
the rope that was very odd. It had lots of
plastic fibers within it, but it also had some like

(33:07):
green and yellow and I think red yarn type stuff
twisted up in it. Now, I am not a rope
expert nor a rope manufacturer, so please don't come at me,
but I can tell you that the way it was
made was very strange, and so it was so unique
and so different that police couldn't even figure out a

(33:28):
manufacturer for it. They couldn't even find anybody that sold
this rope, literally nobody, nobody, and so if they couldn't
determine where the rope came from, that's not good. However,
on the flip side, because the rope was so difficult
and they couldn't identify the manufacturer, it would also be
very damning if they were able to find the remainder

(33:49):
of the rope in somebody's possession because it was so unique.
So police believed whoever did this number one enjoyed it.
This was for pleasure, it was purposeful. And the problem
they realized quickly was that this was someone who would
absolutely do this again, and unfortunately the police were correct.

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So it was December second, roughly eleven weeks after Danny
was murdered, and kids in the early morning hours were
heading off to school trying to maintain some type of
normalcy in comparison to the shocking recent history. So routine
is always good whenever there's a disruption in your life
or a disruption in the community, trying to get on

(34:36):
a back on routine. That's a good thing for kids
getting back on track. So it was really chilly on
this Friday morning, and twelve year old Christopher Walden was
making his way to school on foot. Now, Christopher was
an only child and his parents were absolutely crazy about him,
as you can imagine, he was a sixth grade or two,

(34:59):
a absolutely frickin precious kid. He has dirty blonde hair,
he's got these little little almond eyes, toothy grin with
a mix of his adult and his child teeth. You know,
when their little teeth are coming in. Cool little guy, y'all,
cool fella, hands down, I can tell you right now,

(35:20):
cool dude. And so the school was close to where
they lived, but regardless, his mama usually drove him to school.
That was what they did. But today, on this morning,
was really nice outside. It was cool, and it was
it was the sun was shining, and it was just
like a really nice day, and he wanted to walk

(35:40):
to school. And his mom said, all right, I'll let
you walk, it's nice outside, but get where you're going
and i'll see this afternoon. I love you. That would
be the most regretted decision of his mother's life because
that afternoon, Christopher never returned from school that day. Matter

(36:02):
of fact, he had never even made it to school.
But this was nineteen eighty three and the rules were different.
And so I want to tell you this so we
can think about these types of things, because the schools
operated much different than than they do in twenty twenty five.
If kids didn't show up to school, it was kind

(36:22):
of like, oh, well, the kid didn't come to school,
it's not the school's problem. Can you imagine that today?
Because y'all, my kids like check in tarty. If my
teenager is tarty to school. I get an immediate notification
on my phone boo boo boo tardiness. I mean, hell,
I even get emails now when she uses a bathroom pass.
That's how on top of it they are of notifying

(36:43):
the parents that their kid, you know, isn't at school
or is late or whatever. But this is nineteen eighty three.
It's not the case. And the very story I am
telling you right now paved the way for the safety
features that are now in grained in schools in terms
of attendance, and as parents, I think that we should

(37:07):
recognize that we have all benefited, unfortunately, but what an
amazing benefit this story will have to our very lives
the people listening to this today, because he was gone
all day and his parents never knew that he was

(37:28):
gone all day long. That is scary as hell to me. Scary,
and I know I input my own life into this,
but I think that's how I relate to stories. I
remember going to work one time and I was a
school teacher and I was teaching along. It was nine
thirty in the morning, and I got an alert on
my phone that said my child never arrived at school.
I knew she arrived at school because I put her

(37:50):
in the car with my husband, and I watched my
husband drive off to school. So I was like, oh,
they must have had attendants wrong. So I called the
school and I was like, hey, my daughter is marked absent,
but she's here. And there was kind of a pause
on the phone and she said, no, ma'am, she's not here,
and I said, yes, she is, so she said hold
on a second. She called down to the classroom. The

(38:11):
teacher said, oh, no, she wasn't here this morning. My
heart dropped into my butthole. I did not stop. I
didn't talk to anybody. I didn't say anything. I started
running to my car with my purse because I had
to go find my child. My child was missing. Someone
must have taken her. I mean, I was sick and
I was shaking. I made it to the road. I

(38:32):
took a rite on Floorida boulevard. I called my husband,
Oh my god, she's not at school, blah blah blah.
He's like, wait, wait, wait, wait what. I was like,
she's not at school. I mean, I was about to
have a meltdown. And he's like, I know, I know.
I said, what do you mean you know? He said,
we went in through the drop offline. She threw up
in the car, so I just pulled back out and
I brought her back home. Well, damn, you know, I

(38:57):
wish I knew that, But what if he had dropped
her off, I would not have known that she was
not at school. So all of this to say that
when Christopher never returned home, obviously alarm bells were ringing
for his parents, but they had no idea he'd been
gone all day long, all these hours unaccounted for because

(39:19):
the school didn't call. So based on the child that
he was, this was definitely not a runaway situation. Police
were like, oh my god, we have another abduction. But
this doesn't happen to us. This happens to other people, right, no, no, no, no, no,
this doesn't happen to us. This is other people. How
often do we think this way when the reality is

(39:40):
it does happen to us, It does. It happens to everybody.
It happens to all of us, but we just don't
want it to be us. But Christopher, throughout a search
for him, wasn't found, and so now his parents started
to tread that very deep and dark path. So many
others have unfortunately gone down when children go missing, and

(40:04):
they decided that they were going to appeal to the
media and put out pleased for whoever has in police
return him to us, no questions asked, We don't care.
We'll give you whatever you want. So they held a
press conference. His father, Steven, begged for his safe return,
and this ended up being a good thing because having
that press conference would bring about a crucial lead in

(40:25):
the case. There was a woman, her name was Cheryl Bumgardner,
and she called in and said, I think I might
have seen his abduction, but I didn't know it was
an abduction at the time, and so police say, all right,
tell us what's up. She said, I literally saw a
man with a child that it matches Christopher's description. And

(40:47):
I was driving down the road. I saw the man.
He had the boy by his arm, but I thought
that it was a parent like scolding his child for
acting up, and I just drove by and I didn't
think of anything of it till I saw this on
the news. So taking all of this into account, police
were also told by Danny, the child that was murdered

(41:11):
by his brother, that a white man was seen kind
of driving around them a few days prior before his
brother was murdered. Danny was murdered, and he said it
was a white guy. He was in a tan car
and he was just kind of like driving around us.
And so police were trying to put all this together
and say, okay, a white guy in a tan car

(41:33):
looking at children. And then Danny was murdered. Now Christopher
is missing. Do we have something here? Well, almost like
deja vu. Three days later, after their police were made
over the media, a body would be recovered in a
remote area that wasn't likely for someone to be in
except for a pheasant hunter. So as this man was

(41:57):
returning from his hunt, it was around dusk, he stumbled
upon the nearly nude body of a young white male,
and the child appeared to have been stabbed to death.
His body was completely frozen in the snow, and his
booksack and his belongings were with him, but the child

(42:19):
only had on his underwear. So police show up. Oh
my god, here we go again, a kid in his underwear,
dead in the snow, and they are assessing the situation,
and what they noticed at first was that there were
two sets of footprints that went up to where the
body was. But only one set of footprints that left,

(42:41):
so this gave them a vital thought on this. They
ruled out that there could be possible multiple offenders taking
these children because of the two you know, the steps
and the snow, only one left. And again the coroner
would show up, collect the ch child's body and take
it back for autopsy. Now he would confirm that this

(43:07):
child had also been stabbed to death, and the slice
to this child's neck was extremely savage. He would also
then clarify, and this is the body of Christopher. The
cut to Christopher's neck was so savage, he said the

(43:31):
child was nearly decapitated. And in addition to that, the
full length and breadth of Christopher's chest and abdomen, so
basically from his neck to his pubic bone, had an
image carved into his skin. And so the doctor wrote

(43:55):
in the report he believed it to be a large plant,
and he said it had a stick and it had
seven leaves. Okay, well, most commonly, if you look that up,
the plant that's going to be referred to is gonna
be the money tree. It symbolizes luck and wealth. But
I personally don't find whoever would carve an image all

(44:16):
down the chest and stomach of a child to likely
be in that lane of thinking in terms of symbolism. Okay,
so call me jaded, but I would think that it
would be more on point by acknowledging another seven leaf plant,
because seven leaves are very common in a marijuana plant.

(44:36):
I know there's also a five leaf and a nine leaf,
and oddly I know that, But I'm going to be
more along the lines that this person wasn't putting a
money tree on this child. He was carving a marijuana
leaf into the child's chest and stomach. So whoever murdered
Christopher carefully and deliberately took the time to carve a

(44:57):
weed leaf into the child's chest and stat stomach, it's depraved.
And if it doesn't show you the lack of care
for another human being, that you would think that that
was interesting to do. Wow. So police were now faced
with more questions in terms of the investigation because while

(45:24):
Danny and Christopher's murders were very similar, there were some
big differences too between the two of them. So, for example,
Christopher had not been hogtied like Danny was, Chris was
hidden better than Danny was, and so police also assessing

(45:46):
the situation and for what it was, They felt like
Christopher was killed much quicker after his abduction than Danny was. Now,
they didn't necessarily have anything to base that on, like
one hundred percent, but I think timelines and how long
it took to find them and the state of the
body when it was found, that's why they kind of
thought that. So, if this was a serial killer, usually
you would expect them to operate in the same manner

(46:10):
and methods in their killings. To an extent, I don't
want to say signatures, but a lot of them hunt
and I hate using that word, but a lot of
them do their hunting kind of like it's their operation.
They have a way that they do it. So the
question now was were the killings related or were these
two horribly separate murders. But in reality both options are

(46:34):
equally as terrifying. We have one psycho slaughtering children or
do we have two psychos slaughtering one child each. I mean,
either way, we're not winning here. Another concern was that
the suspect or suspects possibly maybe making contact or have
already made contact with other children in the area, and

(46:55):
maybe it just wasn't reported because Danny's brother saw this
guy supposedly kind of circling around and looking at the kids.
So now the police were very afraid and felt it
was their due diligence to warn the public. What they
warn parents of what is happening here. They've got to
stay alert, and so they put out these these media

(47:16):
blitzes and said, listen, children have got to travel in groups.
If they're going to be going to the bus stop,
they've got to be in groups. Do not let your
children by themselves. This was happening in broad daylight, that
these abductions were taking place. That is so fucking bold.
You're dealing with an animal that is so bold to

(47:37):
snatch somebody in broad daylight where anybody could see you. Also,
something else to consider that I don't think that media
ever really considers, is that now we have kids going
to these schools and they're losing their classmates, like they're

(47:57):
being sniped. You come to school, Danny's gone. You go
to school, Christopher's gone. Who's next? Is it me? How
the freak are these kids gonna even focus seeing their
friends disappear? So they're trying to learn the whole time,
knowing that the basically they're being hunted, and hell, they
had to bring counselors in to try and kind of

(48:19):
calm the kids down and to ease their minds while
also being like, stay vigilant, stay in groups. It's difficult.
One woman's account that I saw said that she was
a child when this occurred, and that they stopped getting
outdoor recess for a while. They didn't want to let
the kids out to play because what if someone was
out there watching. The far reaching implications for this type

(48:43):
of violence is so great and beyond I think what
the average person considers. But maintaining the integrity of the
investigation while also keeping the community abreast of the ongoing
issue is gonna be a fine line. It always is.
Because a communities demand answers. They demand it, of course

(49:05):
you do. You want to know who killed this child.
We want them off the streets. But the communities also
misunderstand that releasing too much information is going to give
the culprit advantages advantages they cannot have. Let me give you,
like a quick look at what I'm talking about. If
they think that we're onto them, they run. If they

(49:26):
get more information about what we know, they can create
a solid alibi if they realize something that they may
that may tie them to the crime. They may dispose
of evidence that they don't even realize they have that
will link them to our case. It is detrimental to
a case to release too much. And so people who

(49:49):
don't think in investigative terms, they sometimes don't realize the
long term implications of releasing information just to satisfy the
public's demands for just And this is a real issue
even today. This is something that's kind of like a
pet peeve of mine. And it's also why I love
podcasting cases specifically that have already gone to trial. Why

(50:12):
it's for your sake as well as mine. And it's
because I get all the details. I get the full story.
How often do you hear something happen and then when
it's all said and done, it wasn't quite what you
thought it was. Why. Because they're gonna keep things close
to their to their chest so that they don't give
anything away. And the things that show the full picture

(50:37):
of the depravity and the links that killers will go to.
All of that's gonna come out eventually, it will, but
it's gonna just have to wait. And I don't know
if it's experience or or what. But I hate making
a full judgment on a case that's breaking news because
you really, y'all, we don't know. You just don't know.
Things also not considered, and I'm gonna I'll be briefing

(50:59):
this is that I have a lot of listeners who
like insights to the inner workings of law enforcement. But
people forget this thing. There's victims to these crimes. And
you're like, we don't forget there's a victim. Well, hear
me out in a well meant desire to tamp outrage

(51:20):
for something that has happened, a well meant desire. You're
pissed someone's murdered children. People forget that all details aren't
always I'm gonna say, quote unquote, just details, especially when
you know the victim, when you are the victim, when
your family member is the victim. There are three main
things we have to remember here. Number One, you have

(51:42):
to protect the victim and their privacy. This is not entertainment.
It is horrifying. Number Two, people do not realize witness
intimidation is real. It is one hundred percent real, and
so these perpetrators, if they realize someone's working with the
police or getting more information. They absolutely. Don't you ever

(52:05):
think for a second they won't go try to silence
their victim or their family. Don't think that for a second.
Watch the news today. They will silence people. And number three,
a case is always ongoing, even after the arrest. The
case doesn't stop. When there is an arrest. There may

(52:27):
be more suspects. Releasing more information gives them the upper hand.
And remember this, nothing is solid until a conviction. Nothing
So in the moment you want all the answers, but
the conviction is the goal, not just the arrest. We
don't want them to walk. I want to educate you
on that. Just as a community of friendly people who

(52:50):
want the best for people. Please never forget it's not
over until the gavel slams down at the conviction. And
we don't want to compromise that. But the sheriff in
this case did not hold his tongue and he was
speaking out and when I tell you, his chest was
out and his eyes were on the camera rack when
he was speaking. I'm not kidding. This was an exact
quote that he said. He looked in the camera and

(53:13):
he was talking directly to the killer. If he's out
there somewhere, and he said, you need to do something.
You need to call a minister, you need to call
a priest, or, you need to call me, and like
his eyebrow went up, like call me, check me, Like
you're going down, okay, But that's how sick this was.

(53:33):
He was trying to get the guy, you know, to
either turn yourself in or you need some kind of
holy water to hit you or something. So the police
tried any tactic they could to drum up leads. This
included using a hypnotist in combination with a sketch artist
to create a sketch of the possible suspects. So the
sketch where did they even get this from? Well, it

(53:56):
was based off of that woman who thought she saw
Danny be abducted, as well as roughly eight other witnesses
who thought they may have seen the suspect around other
young males during the abduction time frames. So all of
these people were brought in and his sketch was created
after they were put under hypnosis, and basically what they

(54:18):
came up with was this profile. An eighteen to twenty
five year old male five foot eight, one hundred and
sixty pounds, dark hair, brown eyes and olive skin. And
of course I'm going to post all this on Patreon
four you so that you can check it out. But profilers,
we all love profiles, right, criminal profilers. That's so cool. Well,
back in nineteen eighty three, eighty forty five, in the eighties,

(54:39):
that was considered kind of junk science. Back then, they
didn't really put a lot of weight into it. But
there was an FBI agent. His name was Robert Wrestler,
and he thought that he could nail this. He did.
He had been studying forever and he thought he could
nail it. And in his gut he felt like Danny's
brother was right in what he he had told police.

(55:02):
Why did he think that Danny's brother was right about
that white male in the tan car Prowlin, Well, he
looked at a lot of the demographics of where it
took place, the abduction that the neighborhoods took place in. Well,
it's a mostly white neighborhood. So what that means is
someone of color would have stuck out to the people

(55:23):
that lived there. So he did believe that this abductor
was a white person that took these boys. He felt
like the method of dumping. The bodies seemed panicked, and
so this probably was an inexperienced killer. But he says,
this abductor knows this area well, I think he's local.

(55:45):
For a little more insight on that Danny's dump site
was on a dead end road. Nobody traveling would have
found this road. It was not one that was easily
gotten to, and that's why only a local would have
known about it, and that's why he said this. Additional
profile notes said that agent Wrestler thought police should be
looking for someone in their late teens, maybe twenty, but

(56:09):
he did not go over the age of twenty. He said,
this person is going to have no higher than a
high school education, and he believed that this person had
either hurt or molested young children as a kid himself.
That's who you're looking for. But in terms of profiling
the behavior of who was doing this, this person had

(56:30):
to be a sadist. Hands down. These children were not raped,
but they were stripped down to their underwear before they
were tortured and then murdered. So he felt like this
killer was driven more by fantasy desires than by planning
the killing ahead of time, so they were they were
more spur of the moment, a crime of opportunity. But

(56:53):
these fantasies, this person was getting wrapped up in it,
and that's whenever they would see somebody and take them,
see a child and take them. But do not get
it twisted. These murders definitely had the motive, which was
sexual motivation, even though the children were not raped. The
idea was basically this sadists experience arousal and pleasure through

(57:15):
acts of cruelty and corporal punishment, and that pleasure, that
sexual pleasure is derived when they're able to humiliate their victim.
So when the killer was watching these children suffer at
his own hands, this brought on a rush of adrenaline
and dopamine because he felt so powerful in that moment

(57:36):
that he was turned on by the violence. And there's
a pedophilic twist to it because he was targeting children.
So another element of the profile was that this the
agent felt like this killer had latent homosexual tendencies, but
he hated himself for it, so he liked to put himself.

(58:00):
He liked to strip the kids down, but he wouldn't
rape them because he hated himself for his homosexuality. And
he said you can take it to the bank. This
person is putting themselves in a position over kids, whether
it's coaching or I don't know, he could be a
youth leader something, but you can guarantee he's around kids.
So just knowing that these types of people walk the

(58:23):
streets freely is unnerving if you really take the time
to focus on what I'm telling you. But now at
least the public had someone that they could be on
the lookout for in terms of that sketch that was
drawn up, so everybody was on high alert. This news
was huge. It was so unsettling that there were posters
and printouts of this potential suspect sketch put everywhere, including

(58:49):
the local Air Force base which was off at Air
Force Base. A lot of people in the town worked
there because that's how big it was. Matter of fact,
had Danny's dad been in the military, he was in
the Air Force, but so had Christopher Walden's dad. That
would be Lieutenant Colonel Walden to me and you, so

(59:15):
no doubt these boys had good dad's, strong military men,
and now their killer's potential sketch is now all over
the air Force base. So the goal here was that
if they put this front and center on the bulletin
boards that maybe somebody would keep it in their mind's

(59:37):
eye and they could pick this guy out. I mean,
they had this big maintenance building on the air Force
base and a lot of people worked in that maintenance department,
and so for example, they had one front and center
on their bulletin board, hoping that someone might recognize somebody
that looked like that sketch. By this point, it was

(59:58):
confirmed by the FBI that that first missing newsboy, the
one I told you that Danny was warned about, we
have a newspaper delivery boy that was missing. Be careful well.
That boy was actually from Des Moines, and it was
determined that his disappearance was not related to the Danny
Eberly case as they first thought. Now I'm going to

(01:00:19):
tell you something right now, in twenty twenty five that
they wouldn't necessarily they wouldn't know this. But the reason
we know, or they believe that it wasn't connected makes
sense to because to this day, to this day, that
child has not been found, that first child, but Danny
and Christopher's murders they did believe were connected. This has

(01:00:42):
got to be the same guy and before long a
man was arrested and it made the papers. Now this
man's name was Michael Rice. Michael was nineteen years old
and problematic to say the least. He worked as a
truck driver, and he was now in custody. Now why

(01:01:03):
was he in custody, Well, he was charged with kidnapping,
sexual assault, and making terroristic threats. But it was not
in relation to these two missing children or these two
murdered children's case. It was something else. So while was
for another case, basically from what I understand, he was
believed to have molested two other boys, it sure did

(01:01:24):
seem like he may fit the bill for the person
responsible for Danny and Christopher's murders. So while the details
of that arrest, that initial rest are pretty vague, what
I was able to derive from it was that he
was being investigated for false imprisonment. And during Danny Eberley investigation,

(01:01:46):
that's when they actually got Michael Rice and were able
to see that he had done something to some other boys,
like the Everly case kind of brought this about, and
he had used a knife in the crimes of these
other kids. So this additional charge of third degree sexual
assault had been added because he was touching those other victims.

(01:02:09):
So he was determined obviously to be a person of
interest in the case of the Danny Eberley investigation as
well as Christopher, but they didn't have enough evidence yet
to confirm this. They had a suspicion, but they couldn't
confirm it. But at least he was in custody and
now he was being questioned, and he was being questioned
hard to determine. Were there any similarities or common denominators

(01:02:32):
between all of these cases and mister Rice, oh, and
I'll add this, he failed his light detector test. So
the search for the killer was going to continue, though,
because they weren't one hundred percent convinced they had their guy,
and so they weren't just gonna quit. They even went
and visited known convicted pedophiles in the area. And when

(01:02:56):
I heard this, I justugh an Air Force major who
liked to cruise around for boys and for gay men.
He wanted to persuade them to undress for photographs. They
knew this guy did this, but they came up with
no new leads even checking that guy out. They checked

(01:03:18):
out more, but that was one of them that they
checked out. And it just made me want to puke.
But five weeks later, on January eleventh, something would happen
that broke this case wide open. Aldersgate Preschool. This was
a Christian school that served kids between the ages of
like three and five. And something to me about preschool

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teachers is just so precious. Maybe it's the clothes or
the sweetness of teaching kiddos, but preschool is just pure
magic to me those days if you think about it.
These kids are full of play and hugs and encouragement
and of course the snacks. I mean, hell, as adults,
we need this shit too. We should do We should
be hugging and eating snacks okay, and being told we're
beautiful in God blows us. But one thing that preschools

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aren't is a place for evil to hang out. That's
not the place. So the teachers were on high alert
after these killings, and that included the director of the
Aldersgate Preschool. Her name was Miss Barbara Weaver, and she
was going about her day when she noticed a vehicle
circling their parking lot. Now this wasn't necessarily unusual per se,

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because they were right outside of a church, So you know,
maybe he was trying to find where he was supposed
to be. Maybe he was new, who knows, but call
it instincts or a woman's intuition, but just the way
the car drove it just kind of irked her spidy senses.
She didn't really know what was going on. It bothers
so much that she was watching from a window and

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she even decided to memorize the license plate of this car. Well,
on the next circle round, the man ended up parking
the car. She's like, oh, okay, well, maybe maybe he
was trying to go to the church or he was
trying to verify he was in the right place. But
when the man parked, he just sat in the car
and he stared at her. She's looking at him, he's

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looking at her, and he's not getting out of he's
not doing anything. But then he opened the door and
he got out, and she said, oh, this is a
young guy. And as he walked closer, she said wow
to herself. You know, he's got really pretty eyes, but
just a sadness about him. It just she felt like,
my goodness, something's wrong, you know what's going on. So

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as he approached the door, Barbara pushed the door open.
And asked, you know, can I help you? Are you?
Is there anything you need? And she says, in a
very trembling voice and a very broken spirit, he said,
I need some directions, and so she obliged his request.
But when she was giving him the directions and pointing
and telling him where he needed to go, he just

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seemed confused and he couldn't seem to understand the directions
that she was given, so he became frustrated. And that's
when he said, look, can I just use a phone please?
And I need to make a call, and you know whatever,
well something about him, even though he was very timid,
trembling and sad, it just wasn't sitting right with her.

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And she said, I'm sorry, we don't have a public phone,
but you can, you know, you just go down here.
But in the moment that she denied him that phone,
his whole entire persona shifted night and day. And he
jumped forward and he grabbed her and he started violently

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trying to shove her back into the building, and he
snarled at her as he was shoving on her that
if you don't get back in this building, I am
going to kill you. But that's when he fucked up.
You know why because that sweet voice, long dress, and
church hills wearing woman. Be damned. If this man was

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about to shove her backup in a building and killed her,
he picked the wrong one today, because Barbara was not like, no,
but forgive me, lord, Hell no, this ain't happening, and
she matched energy. She put her hands back up and
she started shoving with all her might, and she was
fighting back. She shoved him back and was able to

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rip away, bolt out of the doorway, and she was
running for her life. But she wasn't just running to
be running. She was running with purpose, straight to the
man with all the answers, Straight to the man she
knew could save her life, and straight to the man
she knew that could have had the words and the
wisdom to help those children. And it was the pastor

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of the church. He was just yards away in his office,
and she ran straight to him. Her willingness to fight,
Remember this, her willingness to fight back shook. That would
be intruder because when she fought back, he wasn't ready
for it. He expected her to crumble under the fear

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he was putting in her eyes, and she wasn't having it.
So when she got away and took off running, he
did too. He turned around and he took off running
in the opposite direction. Because that's the thing with killers
and abusers and evil it's that they expect weakness in
the face of the fear that they are trying to
put on you. He tried to establish control and it

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did not go the way that he expected, and he
had to abort mission and abort quickly because he was
not getting an easy target. Y'all don't be an easy
target ever, ever. Fight their asses back. So the vehicle
that he was driving was a Chevy and guess what.

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The teacher had memorized the plate. She knew it. It
was in her gut. She knew what it was, and
so she gave it to police, who responded and they
were able to confirm that it was, in fact a
rental car. Bingo who rented this car, Well, it turned
out that it was a young man by the name

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of John Jubert. Now, hey, I'm from South Louisiana. I'm
gonna tell you right now, that's Jobert all day long. Okay,
if you are down where I'm at, we would call
him John Jobert. But everyone else, says Jewbert. So I'm
gonna go with it. You can take the girl out
the buyu, y'all, but you can't take the buy you
out the girl. I'm sorry to tell you, all right,
But either way, mister Jewbert wasn't very hard to find

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once they identified who he was, why, because he signed
the rental agreement and he was literally right nearby. Matter
of fact, he was a soldier and he was stationed
right there at that Offit Air Force base. So the
police went to have a word with him, and when

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they were led back to where he was, they found
him curled up asleep in his bunk. And frankly, he
wasn't what the police were expecting. Matter of fact, I
don't even know if they knew what they thought that
they were expecting, but it certainly wasn't this rather small
teenage looking guy curled up in a bunk, fast asleep.

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So when they got him awake, he seemed very surprised
that they were there. But he was taken into custody
and he was brought down to the station for questioning
about why he was believed to have attacked a preschool teacher.
So who was this John Jebert And why was he
out there attacking preschool teachers? Also, what does this have

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to do with the rest of this case that I've
been these cases I've been talking about, or does it
You're gonna have to wait and find out whenever I
finished this up next episode. But I want to leave
you with a question to ponder. What does a killer
look like, specifically a child killer? Can you imagine it

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in your mind right now? And I don't mean the
ones that are famously you know, already caught. I'm talking
about the ones that are still out there right now
that have yet to be identified. Could you pick them out?

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Could you pick out when you walk past one at Walmart,
when you walk past one at church, when you talk
to one in the drive through at the restaurant. Could
you do it? Because for now, two mothers sat in silence,
miles apart, but both staring at an empty space where

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their child should be. They're past that initial collapse of grief,
but they now sit and stare into the emptiness where
there used to be the sounds of rambunctious boys and
surrounded by that hollow silence. One question lingers with both
of them, like smoke after a big fire. What kind

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of soul took pleasure in extinguishing the light of my child.