EP. 21 "Billy Big Rigger"

The Original Unspoken Podcast
Episode: 21
Hosts: Dan and Dawna Wilson
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Welcome to Episode 21 of the original Unspoken Podcast with hosts Dan and Dawna Wilson. Coming to you from the New Green Dragon Tavern. In this episode we deviate from our usual format to get a little more personal. Join us as we reminisce and tell of our recent travels. We’re still always full of object lessons and helpful take-aways.

Episode Transcript

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Welcome to episode twenty one of theOriginal Unspoken Podcast, with host Dan and
Donna Wilson, coming to you fromthe New Green Dragon Tavern. In this
episode, we deviate from our usualformat to get a little more personal.
Join us as we reminisce and tellof our recent travels. We're still always
full of object lessons and helpful takeaways. Now here is Unspoken. Welcome to

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the Original Unspoken Podcast, Episode twentyone, broadcasting live from the Green Dragon.
Not only the Green the New GreenDragon Tavern, located deep in the
woods of beautiful North Idaho, oneof the last free republics of the United
States. Now, there is oneproblem in this room. We haven't quite

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been able to regulate the temperature.It's cold. Yeah, we have to
bundle up when we come down here. I notice that you are once again
wearing one of my sweatshirts. Yeah, that's been kind of a rule.
Let's come together that well, Dan'llbuy a hoodie, a sweatshirt, a

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jacket, and then it gets takenover. Yeah, either by you or
my daughters. Yeah. Hey,I poured you a drink earlier because you
needed it, long before we pushedrecord. It's been a day it's been
a week, it's been a month. Everyone though that's listening to this endures
the same stuff. It's not uniquetoo, just you and me. That

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is correct. When I'm listening toothers problems, I do often think that
we can get in the cycle ofthinking all this hard ship. These problems
they're they're unique to me. Butnone of them are. They never are.
We have been busy, and wesee that every episode. By the
way, you are drinking four rosewhiskey. Is it rose or roses?

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Roses? Four roses? I'm justchecking because usually I'm wrong on that my
speech impediment, and it is therethere standard bourbon. It's not the single
barrel, not the not the caststrength. I'm gonna drink of Virgil's zero
sugar cola. Okay, why isthat? Why is what? Why are

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you drinking cola? You know,I've got goals right now, and I
need to cut out a few morecalories or to reach those goals. I
don't know that people who are almostfifty should still be pushing around as that.
That's that's a little bit of astress. Let's not rustling. We're
gonna get to talking about that later. Cheers. Cheer. I'm gonna light

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cigars for a second, Okay,I think that will also help a little.
I think I saw a clip ofSteve Harvey the other day smoking a
stick if people were criticizing him,and he called it yoga. He called
it cigar yoga because as he isinhaling, he's taking long, slowly drawn

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out breaths. There you go,and it's like yoga for the soul.
Sounds like a good analysis of cigarsmoking, all right. And I'm gonna
remember as I am now attempting toclip this La Paulina read label for you,

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and I'm going to make certain I'mspeaking directly into the mic, because
let me tell you how many timesI get prompted that I'm not one episodes
in and I'm called instantly having todeal with I should have just tied like
a rope around your neck to pullyou back in. Every time you start
backing away from that mic, Justpull you back in. Keep talking.

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You're learning. I'm not so confidentright now the way it's lightened that it's
going to be a good stick,though it might be a dud. I
don't know what's right, all right, And then what are you going to
be smoking. We often each choosea different cigar, So what will you
be smoking? Went and picked upa foundation cigar, their line oh MC

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O L m EC where they claimedthat they were the very first original growers
of tobacco down in Mexico. That'squite the claim. This is. I've
been on a rant as of late. Why are all the new line cigars

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box pressed? Look? Box pressedare easy to burn? And it's not
like I don't have my fair shareof them, But I like the rounds
better than the box press. Whendid you come to realize that? Because
it wasn't something I thought about untilyou brought it to my attention. I
mean, you'll visually notice that there'sdifferences in how they're rolled or pressed.

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But what is it that you door don't like, or why you're preferring
the round or rolled over the box? The way it fits in your mouth?
The square just sits there, whereasthe round you can kind of roll
it around a little bit in thecorner of your lips where the two lips
come together. Yeah, I don'tknow, so something you've found through learn

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by doing that? What you prefera little bit bigger cigar than I'm normally
I don't know, drawn to smoke, but I really enjoyed the same stick
here about a month ago. SoI was out today, I knew we
had the show to do and thought, I'm going to go pick one up.

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That was a good idea. Danand I decided that in this episode
we want to keep it a littlemore lighthearted. And this isn't for running
the risk, because there always isthis risk that this might be the first
time you're tuning in and you think, Okay, what is the objective?
Where are they going? What isthis about? So what I want to

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do? And I'll mention this acouple times throughout, but I want to
refer you to some of the previousepisodes where we do get into some meteor
subjects and the things that we thinkabout spiritually, politically, ethically, socially
and morally, all of those thingsthat we do dig into and enjoy those
conversations and share them for the purposesof encouragement. In this episode, we

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thought we want to get back tothe basics somewhat, learn a little bit
more about us, how we relateour personalities, what drives us or makes
us laugh? Who knows? Wedon't know where it might go. We're
always going to leave you though,with an encouragement will do that. That
is one thing that will stay consistentthroughout as long as we put these podcasts

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out. By the way, thankyou to all of you who have written
in and told us how much youlike the shows. Also thank you to
that one individual who apparently takes issuewith my slant, my worldview. Oh
well, you've always got to haveSorry, I disappointed you. I'm going

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to call his name Verne. Well, you've got to have opposition. I
mean, otherwise, what do youwhat's your purpose? What are you doing?
Before we go further, I dowant to mention because we're gonna mention
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up. I went to my pillowdot com and within three seconds there was
a pop up. Listen, enterall of you, anybody that has a
website where you are selling a product, stop the madness. I cannot begin
to tell you how absolutely infuriating itis, especially if you're on a mobile

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phone and you have big thumbs likemine and I'm trying to type something in
and I'm typing something as soon asI'm going to the search bar of the
website, and I find out thatit's going nowhere because a pop up has
and you couldn't see it. Youcouldn't necessarily even see it. Sometimes the
two Well, how about when you'reyou got hooked into a news story and

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so you click the link. Youend up on a website you're reading,
Oh no, this is real,and you're you're reading, you get through
the first paragraph and then it seemslike the scrolling is no longer working,
it's not functioning, and you've gotads, You've got pop up here.
You probably don't know this. There'spop ups and pop up and pop overs.

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Wait, wait, wait what Ohyeah, I probably have seen them.
I just assume they were both thesame thing. You're just equally as
irritated by all of them. Andyou know, I told you when you
brought up the pop up thing before, I was like, well, I'll
fight you kind of on this onebecause with me being in marketing and having

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done web development for years and understandingwhy they're doing it within three seconds of
being on a site to acquire information, you could say straight across the board,
eliminate them. But they're clearly doingit because it's an effective marketing technique

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for the business. They're all communists, so they're pop ups aren't going anywhere.
They're communist. I'm telling you rightnow, I cannot wait for the
EMP that's going to eventually wipe outall electronics, and unfortunately, one of
the byproducts of that will be nomore unspoken podcast unless you have a ham
radio and then we can podcast offof off of hammer shortwave or whatever.

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Yeah, we've we've had those discussions. Hey, we have done quite a
bit of traveling the past I don'tknow, month, month and a half,
but did we have a CBE inour car? I had a CBE
in my vehicles as a youngster.As kids, we my dad had the
whole, the whole setup in ourblue Channel we had in our blue Ford

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Fairmont, and that cbe and tennathat through the magnet because you could take
it on and off and pop thatthing up. Yeah, well, the
thing I was like six feet Ihad a whip on the front of my
bumper. So the whip was probablyI think they're eight foot long, and
you put a little tennis ball onit so that it didn't rub against your

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fender. Because it's mounted right tothe front bumper. You go down the
road and yeah, you were styleand those were good times, good memories.
Handheld CB radios from radio Shack.They took about eight, eight or
twelve batteries a good times. Wewould do it because we would travel or

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be in the middle of a move, because we moved quite a bit growing
up. So if you if wewere in two different cars, say my
dad's in the U haul, mymom's driving the forward Fairmont, that's the
way to communicate between the two vehicles, short of deciding in advance or signaling
somehow like hey get off here,that was the way to communicate. I
mean, that was like high leveltechnology, right, there lights, yeah,

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some signaling, well, yeah,there was that the signals, yeah
signaling yeah. Well, you know, the cbs were an integral part of
my youth, especially when it cameto hunting. So the areas that we
frequently hunted in the northeastern part ofWashington State, we shared a lot of

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logging roads. So in order tomake certain that you didn't have a fully
loaded log truck comes screaming down thesepretty narrow roads. The old typical protocol
was they would say, truck suchand such eight mile coming down the middle
fork, And if you were goingat mile marker three, you knew approximately

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how far it was until you weregoing to run into them, so they
would hit that. You know,you know, you hear this is such
and such logger at mile number twocome down the middle forark. Okay,
well then you better probably if ifit's that close, find a spot to
pull over, a wide area ina road to pull over, because you

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may not be so lucky, andyou don't want to have to back up
when you guys come to a head. But the the fun part was having
your own sea to be handled.You know what a handle is proper?
No, no, no, no, no, Well, yeah, yeah,
yeah, but that was lame.That was lame. Okay, yeah,

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that was a lame. One firstthing that came to mind the old
timer where we used to hunt adjacentto his property. We would use his
place as a base camp. They'reold family friends. He went by the
name pack handle Pete and sometimes itwas pack Saddle Pete, but he went

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by either or so we we andmy dad's name was crazy Horse. Didn't
your brother have a really good name? Now I remember this now or get
oh? Yeah, so my namewas a crazy colt because I'm a junior
and my brother. I should't beseeing this. My brother hated hunting.

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He would sit out every chance hegot, so he was I was the
crazy cult. My dad was aCrazy Horse, and my brother was sitting
ball apropos. So I'm certain wejust offended somebody in the stratosphere, in
the innerwebs. That is outrage thatwe would use these names like sitting Bowl,

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the Great Chief, and the crazyHorse. But now that that was
fun growing up. And of coursewe would pack those forty channel CB radios
that actually had quite long range,and so when we would be two or
three miles separated, when we wouldsplit up and go our separate ways for
the day of hunting. We couldkeep in touch and strategize when and where

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we were going to meet up.But you know, once the Internet came
cell phones, I started seeing allthose CB radios going away, and they
almost except for long road truckers,I think they're pretty much obsolete. However,
I have noticed there is a resurgence. I've noticed that CBS and really

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for the times that we're living inpretty smart not about it, but I
gotta say, you're you're CB.You took over the CBS story. There's
just so much better than my Well, no, there's nothing left. I
mean, we're on like Route sixtysix through California or something and using it
like baby baby birds, gotta hitthe next rest stop, Papa Bart That's

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about all I got. So Channeleighteen we used it for. Channel eighteen
was notorious for the truckers traveling.It was great listening to their banter.
That was that was a really coolexposure to another world. The original ns
f W not safe for work becausesome of those old salty truckers man salty,

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but also you got this insight intothis other world where they were a
close knit I mean a language thatonly they could speak, and you would
almost envy that type of camaraderie.And it might be the first point in
my life where I took note ofthat or experienced it as a kid,

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seeing that in an adult world minusthe stuff that probably should have been censored.
But do you remember C. W. McCall the song Convoy. Yeah,
they hit those gates due in ninetyeight, watch them. Trucker's Role
had disco in it, great songs. I miss those days. I missed
those simple times. But you mentionedthat you had a Ford, a blue

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of powder blue Ford Fairmont station wagons. So I remember this station wagon very
well. It's what I associate youwhen we were young kids in and when
I say we had it, letme just clear up that reference. That
was growing up in the late eighties. My parents inherited I believe, from
my grandparents. They purchased it fromthem when they were done with that vehicle.

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No longer needed a station wagon,so that became our family vehicle in
the eighties when my two brothers andI we were young. How interesting because
in nineteen eighty four my parents boughta used green Ford Fairmont sedan. Yeah,
buddy and it wasn't. But Idon't know if you remember this or

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not, or maybe you never knew, but your brother was driving your older
brother for a while, I wasdriving that blue station wagon. Well,
because by the time we moved toSpokane, where I originally and eventually and
originally met Dan when I was stilla teenager and he's a couple of years

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younger than I am, we hadgotten a new, a newer family vehicle.
So then the blue Ford Fairmont becamethe one that all of us kids
learned to drive on. So there'sthat filling in the blank there. So
your brother had a couple of kids, and he was borrowing the car from
your parents. And one night,my parents were parked in the parking lot

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of the church and their vehicle andI forget what their vehicle was, but
your nephew got into the Ford Fairmontwagon and somehow took it out of gear
because you remember they didn't have safetiesthose days, where he had to step
on the break and all that,So he popped it out of gear,
and that that Faremont rolled into myparents' vehicle and dented in the paste.

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Really, I never knew that,never, I never knew that that is
not so to add to that story, when my brother was just a kid
and probably not even ten years old, after church one day in San Francisco,
he went out to the car,the blue Ford Fairmont, put it

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in gear and it started rolling outof the parking lot there. So that
was like father likes. So itwas a flaw car. We are very
fortunate that they affixed some of theselittle flaws that young boys seem to always
figure the workaround for Yeah and causemayhem, Yeah, they didn't. They
didn't need a set of keys.They could put that car in a motion

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just by throwing it into gear.And now now we live in a world
that so so safe and protected,protect ourselves from all these things that we
could potentially do wrong. Well,don't don't get me wrong, I do
enjoy a good a good ride thesedays. The older I get, the
less I like to be uncomfortable whenI'm traveling long distances. Even I've had

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quite a few road trips as oflate. As we mentioned earlier, we
drove over to the Portland area fromNorth Too, I don't know about a
month ago to go see some familyand and spent a little time together.
We ran into a really we weren'tplanning on it, but we ran into
a really cool place in Clacamus,Oregon, which is, you know,

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a suburb of the Greater Portland area. We were staying at. We originally
booked a national chain and one thatwe've had great success at before, and
upon actually locating this place, thishotel, it looked a little bit overcome

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by what is what is plaguing Portlandgeneral all over, which is homeless people
and red light district. It wasnot too far from the radio station that
you used to be at host onall. Yeah, so you weren't feeling
it. We were able to cancelthe reservation, and on a whim,

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you said, hey, I wantto try this place that I've always wondered
about. It's right off the interstateand it's it's in Clockamus, the Monarch.
So we drove over there and wewalked in and they had a vacancy
and absolutely blew my mind. Whenupon our check in process, we asked

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the I don't know what do youcall him? What do you call those
guys? I call him a concilstrunk whatever. So I said, hey,
you know, is there any goodplaces a red here? And he
said, well, you know,we have our restaurant next story here,
and we have a whiskey bar,which now I'm starting to get really really
interested because we don't have to actuallydrive someplace. But then he mentioned the

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Underground. Well, the Underground isa speakeasy in the bottom of this hotel
set up as a result of COVIDrestrictions, and it is one of the
coolest cigar whiskey speakeasies that I've beento in I don't know, quite a
while. So if you happen tobe anywhere near Clackamus, Oregon, you

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have to remember the Monarch Hotel andthe Underground. Now it's got certain hours
that it's opened. It's not openseven days a week, and it's not
open, you know, from nineam till midnight. But absolutely great place.
Love the motif. It had anawesome vibe. They did a very
good job in there, and theyhad live music, talented jazz musicians.

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It's going to be a little moreupscale where the vibe with the music is
better thought through for that venue.Yeah, great place and a totally unexpected
discovery. So you contrasts out withthose some of the other places that we
went to. So we went tothe Portland Grille, which used to be
a famous spot downtown Portland. Andyou and I have been to downtown Portland

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a few times over the past twentyfour months, and and it's very sad
to see how much the Marxists havedestroyed the most of downtown as we used
to remember it. It's frustrating tohear people, even ones who are locals

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who live in the outskirts of Portland, because they don't there's few people that
live right downtown, as with anymetropolis, so they'll downplay it and say,
well, these riots or these thingshave happened, but it's getting blown
out of proportion because it's really justa block downtown that's affected. So that's
not the life we all live,and none of us should be concerned about

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making a mass exodus from this area. But it's really being downplayed because if
you've been for me, I hadlived in that city and done quite a
lot downtown from anywhere from networking eventsto feeling like it was a safe place
to go down and explore and walkand be down by the riverfront and know

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that it was a safe place withmy kids. So to go down there
and see what's happening block after block, the malls that are completely shut down,
the storefronts that have had to barricadethat eventually just leave the area,
and it's it's not being covered andit's being downplayed, and it just it's

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not accurate information. It's you know, if you got kids around you right
now, you can turn the ballingdown or you can bleep this out later.
But it really is a shit hole. Let's be honest, though,
the most of downtown is a shithole. You and I decide that we
wanted to go to one of thesespots that we pre covid and pre the

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nonsense, with the homeless crap that'sgoing on. We wanted to go back
for nostalgic reasons, and went backdown to the Portland Grill, which is,
I know, thirty stories up inthe one of the high rises.
I forget the building, but itwas really disappointing because before, when you

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and I had been there previously,people actually dressed up. It was a
little bit on the higher side.Great happy hours, great, great what
do you call those not or dervesbut just the starters men? Yeah,
great, drink cocktails. So youand I made I made a reservation and

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we took an Uber and we wentdown there, and you know, it's
great talking to all these Uber driversbecause they really have the downloads, so
we get to find out really what'sgoing on. So the first lady that
picked us up was from Ukraine andmoved over here about twenty years ago,
and so that was a great conversation. But even the things that she said
about she doesn't worry about driving overthe speed limit anymore because there's no cops

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pulling people over for any kind ofmoving violation. But I digress. We
were at the Portland Grill, wentup to the top and couldn't even get
some we had reservations, couldn't evenget somebody to wait on us to direct
us to a table. We finallygot to our little table that we picked

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out. I think we counted itwas fifteen minutes finally, you know,
it was Friday night busy, butwe finally got weighted on. And the
interesting thing was what used to beprofessionals and kind of a more of an
exciting atmosphere was quite different. Therewas people there in sweatpants. I mean,

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you know, this is the placenormally that suit and tie. But
one of the things that you,and I noticed is and I don't know
when the started. When did allof these starters or these again or nerves
is what I call them? Whendid they become so weird? I mean,
we live in the Pacific Northwest,not like we're East coast, We're
not LA. But you know,why can't you get fries or not?

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Just not that we're really eating thatanymore, but you know, chicken skewers.
Now they've got all this weird stuffand you don't even know exactly like
what are they trying to do?Well, that's when you know, I
said to you, does anybody reallytruly like those things? Or would people
more prefer to stick to the basicsor something that a protein, let's say,

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so you can do a different presentationor something different that comes alongside of
it, but at least your basicproteins, so that you know what you're
getting versus things with all sorts ofweird ingredients that come out in a presentation
about like, does anybody is thattruly appetizing? Does anybody really want that?
Or are they just buying into it? It seems odd if you're gonna

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have people showing up in sweatpants andthen you're trying to Yeah, what are
you even doing at That's as ifyou're coming out of hills. Well that
leads me to does the does whatwe wear? Does the way we dresses,
the way we present ourselves? Doesit matter? Sure? Does?
Why does it matter? Well?Because I think it's a it's a vibe,
it's an attitude, and I thinkit's an overall reflection that you've actually

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gone out of your way. Andfor guys, it's easy, because what
do we do. We jump inthe shower, maybe shaved, throw on,
you know, your pants and abutton down or whatever, and then
we're ready to go. With women, you guys have a little more prep
to do than normal. You puton a nice dress or skirt or whatever

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it is that you're that you're goingto prance around. And as you think
I do, I say say itdown, I'm like, I'm feeling cute
today, I'm going need to goprance around. So I think it does
say something because it reminds me ofthe way things used to be when we
were kids, and we would watchthe movies with Humphrey Bogart and like Casablanca,

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and you would see them in theirdinner jackets, and dressed up,
and it's just it's an ambiance.Why do I want to go spend money
on overpriced drinks and or Derby's Rys. That's it from an old movie.
Guess which one You spend all thatmoney and be sitting next to somebody that

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looks like I would have sat nextto in the am at Starbucks. But
isn't that interesting how it drags downthe entire atmosphere. But I mean,
there's a couple of things that comeinto my mind. One, we're coming
off a cycle of a couple ofyears where people have been on they haven't
even gone to the office, soyour typical office attire they're at home on

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zoom calls, putting on a niceshirt from here up and then sweatpants and
slippers from there down. So we'reon the backside of that. And then
also this whole idea of the wehave to we don't want to exclude anybody,
so this inclusivity business, so itdiscourages then having an establishment that requires

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any kind of address code or hasany sort of expectation, because you know,
forbid, we have expectations of anybodybecause everybody just needs to be able
to do whatever they're going to doto be comfortable and be themselves. But
if you're being honest, you're thinking, not even five years ago, I've
been in this location and it wasan elegant experience, and I felt that

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from the presence of everybody else whowas around, it was a destination.
Yeah, because of the experience,it's kind of like similar to when you're
going to go out we discuss this. It's similar to the New Year's Eve
party that you and I attended,where we spent a couple hundred dollars for
these tickets and it looked like,you know, people were coming from the

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grocery store, kicking around on aSunday. You know. It just,
yeah, that's something that we've kindof lost, and I think it's reflective
a little bit of who we areas Americans, what we've kind of become
where we don't in some regards Ireally care anymore. And that's I think
you're right. I think part ofthat is the demoralization that has been experienced

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for all these years. When Isay all these years, it seems like
but the last three years, well, because it really has been over the
course of a lot of years.We've just only noticed it more, yeah,
recently. But you know, evenwhen you and I then decided,
hey, let's let's blow away fromthis place, it's it's just majorly disappointing.

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And we went took another Huber twodowntown Portland. And when I say
downtown, we were already downtown,but you know, several blocks up and
it was porn rain and looked reallyreally pretty. You were dressed pretty nice.
We get dropped off at this typeof place that we like, and

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it's closed down right because they can'tkeep it open in the nine hours due
to the violence and the crime that'sthat's happening down But we had already been
dropped off and our uber driver blewthat joint, so then we're it's raining,
and then a quick decision had tobe made. Let but one last

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thing. When you and I werewaiting for the uber from the Portland Grill,
you remember what we saw it onthe sidewalk For about five minutes.
We saw a dude there that wasobviously completely drugged out, and he dumped
his backpack in the rain and hisbox of loaded syringes and everything came flying

(34:53):
straight out in the middle of thesidewalk. He had dope on him,
picked it up, nobody cared,And this is what we've become. And
this is this is in front ofwhat at one time had been yes,
and an opulent, opulent eating establishmenton a high floor with a perfect view

(35:14):
of Portland. And that that's what'sand that really was minor compared to everything
else you're seeing on some of theother blocks down there. But yeah,
right right in front, and peoplehave just gotten used to, well,
if I'm still going to be hereand enjoy this is just part of it.
They've just really resigned themselves to it. Yes, like common common,

(35:37):
you know, out for business,kind of like Blade Runner. Remind me
in many respects to that early eightiesmovie with Harrison Ford Blade Runner. Just
the whole way that the city lookedwith people walking around and the people that
were drugged out, and it's justit's it's kind of surreal. We wound
up that night at a really coolmind sweet Basil Thai food up there in

(36:02):
northwestern Portland. If you ever geta chance, highly recommend that place.
It's there didn't seem to be thestreet people all over there that we're you
know, gumming things up. Alwaysbe aware, of course, when we
took the Uber back to the hotel. The Uber driver that night was a

(36:23):
pretty articulate former professional that retired anddecided that he's wanted to stay busy,
so he drives Uber. He floatout told us he does not drive anymore
past ten pm at night because ofa lawlessness, and I thought, you
know, it kind of put thecherry on top of the Sunday for us

(36:45):
when when we fully we've already knownthis, but the realization is it's here
to stay and it's not going tochange. So it's really sad to see
the way things have turned out.Things that we all used to enjoy we
no longer really get to enjoy tothe same extent because of the lawlessness.

(37:08):
And remember, government originally was formedto protect its people, to protect our
rights, you know, protect usagainst cryings against our persons and places and
property. It's really really surreal tosee the extent that the republic has fallen.

(37:29):
And yeah, people are paying theprice for these socialist Marxist tactics that
have been disguised as benevolence. Well, I would just say continue to be
vigilant because if it's been downplayed andyou think, well that doesn't affect me
because I made smart decisions earlier onin my life and I chose not to

(37:52):
live in any of those cities.I plotted and planned carefully, so I'm
not subject to those things. Knowthat this is still your country, this
is still your America, and theseare the things that are happening in real
time that even if you're hearing aboutthem less, we're not like, oh
good, I'm glad we made itover that hurdle and that the pet it's

(38:15):
behind us now. It really isn'tthe case. Yeah, And it could
be that it's a calm before thestorm or however you want to label it.
But these things have not been cleanedup, they have not been dealt
with, and it's demoralizing, andI think that's kind of part of the
strategy overall demoralizing, you know,the nuclear family. If you will,

(38:37):
you are going to be forced tohave to be inconvenience constantly by the people
that are addicts. And I knowI'm going to piss people off by saying
this. Yes, I understand thereis a segment of people that truly have
hardships and disabilities and all sorts ofthings that lead them there, but don't

(39:00):
be deceived. The vast majority arethere because of decisions they've made, specifically
related to drug use, and it'sa horrible thing. They're throwing a lot
of money at this homeless situation andit's not taking care of the problem.
In fact, it's making a lotof people rich. So I think you're

(39:25):
exactly right, be vigilant, butunderstand, really in these blue states what's
happening. They contrast that too.We've talked about this before. Spokane also
has a homeless problem. Eastern Washington. Spokane, you have the Camp Hope,

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You have the population that had allconverged there towards the east end of
Spokane, and nobody wanted to kickanybody out. It was inconveniencing everybody that
lived there or had a business traffic, I mean, the whole thing.
Everybody's being inconvenience. But thirty milesto the east in beautiful Idaho Corlane area,

(40:12):
we don't have that problem, right, Different philosophies on how this stuff
is handled, But yeah, itwas. It was Once again, we
already knew this time. Last yearwe made a similar trip. We were
a little bit disgusted as shocked.This time, we weren't as shell shocked
because we knew exactly what we weremost likely going to observe now. A

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short time later, we made anotherroad trip just to go do something for
a weekend, and we found ourselvesin Missoula, Montana, which is a
little less than three hours away fromwhere we live. I had not been
to Missoula in I don't know,twenty years, other than passing through.
So we found a place towards theold downtown section and stayed stayed down there.

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That was an interesting experience as well, because I had not been there
in a long time, and Iforgot that it is a college town.
It was a little bit of aI wouldn't say a cultural shock by any
stretch, but a little different thanwhat I was expecting. I was thinking
Montana. You know, cowboys andwranglers and guys run around the Camo,

(41:22):
and you know, typical Montana typeof But as it turns out, you
didn't have your hiking patch, pocketzipper, the zippers and the knees,
convertible pants and your puffy Patagonia jacket. You're totally out of place. I

(41:43):
did not have my Patagonia gear on. Yes, I was shocked. But
then again it made sense. Right, we're in a college town. I'm
pretty positive that they are giving Portlandand Seattle a run for their money.
On the whole what what is thatlook now? Cold? I don't know
the look well, we're trying tothink of what it is. What's the

(42:04):
look like? Earthy? And youknow, well, the other the other
thing that I noticed is to pinpointa look, it's androgynous. So there
was a ton of it. Themen aren't really manly. And this is
a big generalization because then you canget into an argument, well what's manly,
but the men really aren't set apartstand apart as as manly or dressing

(42:28):
distinctly like dudes. And then thewomen just kind of put on a hat
and yeah, for lack of abetter explanation, not really feminine. So
it was overrun, like, reallya lot of that. Yeah, and
it's it's not a bad town,it's it's it wasn't as friendly as what

(42:52):
I was expecting. What we shouldhave done. We talked later on to
our friend Kayla, and she andher husband go over you know, more
frequently than we do, and ofcourse G goes over there every once in
a while, and they knew whereall the good places where. We went
to a couple nice places and youknow, definitely I'm not going to run

(43:14):
the town down at all. Butit was. It was pleasant. The
weather was was nice and warm,beautiful drive. But yeah, I was.
But if you're looking for a cigarlounge in Missoula, oh, yeah,
you're not going to find one.That's not going to happen. There
was an interesting little shop that soldcigars and uh, it was. It
was a pretty decent place, butyeah, it was there. There was

(43:37):
no Well there's some private lounges,but you know, as so journous through
it's not like you we're gonna goand become a member of Yeah. That
that is the unfortunate part about privatelounges in a city, is it it's
not going to accommodate travelers at all. So we might be very interested in
your establishment, but we're not.We're not allowed in. So the question

(43:59):
is, if you are familiar withMissoula, recommend some places that next time
we go over we might check out. We like whiskey, we like steak,
love coffee. Oh the coffee thingwas hilarious. So the coffee and
same thing. Again. You andI have talked about this. Why is

(44:20):
it that there is all of theseboutique coffee shops and they all run Ethiopian,
this florally kind of citriacy coffee.Well, and I would just argue
coffee. I would just argue thatit's not good. So we travel and
we say, look, we cango to Starbucks at home. So that's
exactly where we don't want to go. I understand why we always end up

(44:44):
there for that consistency, And partof it's the disappointment of we try the
local culture and on purpose are intentionalabout trying those coffee shops and cannot find
one. It's all bad. ButI mean, I guess that's subjective.
But you don't like the Ethiopian.We've narrowed it down to that. I

(45:06):
never have. I just just notit's not my uh, it's not my
my blend. So we went tothis place and I thought that we were
going to strike it rich. Andwe walked into this place and suddenly realized,
Okay, everything in here is kindof organic, but in the fruit
loopy kind of way. So Iordered the cup. The coffee cup disintegrates

(45:30):
in your hand. Up my meathooks and the whole thing just about collapses,
and then I went to go geta Oh and then they have the
recyclable straws. No, no,it wasn't recyclable straws. What was it.
It was the lid they use cocktail. They used cocktail picks for like
the garnishments and the cherries. That'swhat they were stirring. You could something

(45:54):
it was disposable to stir your coffeewith. And then the lids were those
kind of egg carton. Yeah it'spaper pul yeah. Yeah, so it
was. It was quite the experienceI was not expecting Missoula. So yeah,
if you if you know some coolplaces in Missoula that good coffee,

(46:15):
we want to know the best coffeeand some of the best places to eat.
And we need good protein, goodprotein, good good smokes, good
good drink. So anyway, greattime though always with you. Hotel was
was really nice. Um, itwas some some good bands that we were

(46:36):
able to hear, so overall itwas it was a great time to be
out. So well, you know, we laugh about place as we go
and the things we experienced that weren'twhat we expected. But at the end
of the time, really, theoverarching point is we always have fun wherever
we go. Yeah, we do, and it's good as a couple to
be able to just be just betogether. We're both extremely busy individuals and

(47:01):
so sometimes you just need to unplugin and have some time to to to
keep those bonds tight. With thosetravels, yeah, you spend time in
the car and then you get you'repacing with other vehicles. They're on different
freeways, expressways, highways, andbyways, and you start to notice this

(47:24):
trend that people will slow down.You start to notice what's happened. I
mean, traffic in the right handlane move slower away on the talking on
the highway or interstate. Yeah.Yeah, so right hand lane generally slower.
But you start to realize part ofwhat's going on is that people there's

(47:45):
something psychologically that's happening. When theyknow their exits coming up and it could
be coming in two miles, they'relike, oh, I bet I better
it's coming back and get over,get over, and they are decelerating and
I'll just be nice on this onea mile before that exit's coming. Yeah,

(48:07):
And you're the one that enlightened meto the slowing down prior to exiting
is not necessary at all, notat all. So from your expertise,
why is that not necessarily? Whypeople do it? I think we know
they anticipate it's coming, and itslows traffic. It'll back traffic up forever.

(48:29):
That people do that as part ofwhat's happening that's backing it up,
So psychologically, I mean, Ithink I kind of get why they do
it in anticipation, But what isyour explanation of why it's not necessary?
Well, because when when you thinkabout people driving these massive you know,
multi ton weapons at you know,fairly high rates of speed next speeds.

(48:52):
Yeah, right, Look, theroads are always over engineered for the most
part. There are still some exceptionsto some old highways. But you know
when you're when you're on a roadand it says seventy eighty miles or let's
just say, you know, inthe old day's fifty five miles an hour.
When we were kids, that wasa freeway speed. Then people go
sixty sixty five. Well, nowyou can go seventy eighty. And those

(49:15):
roads are the same roads that werethere when we were kids forty years ago.
It's not like those extra speeds areare that much more catastrophic than the
the original speeds. But the engineersthat engineer these roads engineer them with margin,

(49:36):
so you know, it's it's it'slike if it says, hey,
curve coming up and it's sixty,if you hit at sixty five or seventy,
you're probably still going to be golden, depending on your ability. And
you know how confident you are,what your tires are like, what you're
you know, the type of vehicleyou're driving, and how it corners.

(49:57):
But when when they come to onramps and off ramps, which you know
we call the exits, the Ithink the technical term is deceleration lanes.
What that means is is that theymake those, they design them. They
are engineered where if you are goingdown the road at eighty miles an hour,
unless it says immediately drop your speed, they're designed for you to hit

(50:22):
that deceleration lane at the speed youare traveling and then to slowly come to
a lower speed where you will mostlikely more often than not come to a
stop of some sort bingo. That'sthe part that I think most people are

(50:43):
missing because they inherently they assume Ineed to drop speed a mile prior so
that I'm hitting that exit ramp atthirty miles an hour or whatever it is
is it's comfortable as their mind.And I'm not saying that if you're doing
seventeen you hit that that deceleration lanethat you immediately you know, keep that

(51:07):
speed that you were on the onthe interstate. Obviously you need to start
breaking your speed after you've actually switchedthe lane that you were in your lane
of travel, and you have madethat execution to where you are now fully

(51:29):
in the deceleration lane. That iswhen it is safe and prudent to begin
decelerating until you come to your stop. That's right. That's just a moral
to the story is take personal noteif you are doing that, if you're

(51:50):
moving over to the right hand laneand a mile or two before you your
exit, you're fine. You're lettingoff the gas and slaying that speed.
So really a speed limit seventy andyou're one of the people now doing fifty
five and clogging up that lane becausein your head you're like, well,
in a mile, my exit's coming. You don't need to do that.
Apople that go into the turn lane. Oh yeah, that's that's your favorite
and they they they they will.So if if you're in if you're going

(52:14):
to move into the turn lane,that whole lane in the middle right right,
and depending on which jurisdiction you livein, there's a difference between how
long you can travel in that lanebefore you come to a town lane for
a mile as you're passing lane,although sometimes however, it's kind of the

(52:36):
exact same thing. When you aregoing to move into that lane, move
entirely into that lane. Do notstraddle it so that you make everybody behind
you have to hit their brakes andpile up because you are a moron.
Can I say that? Yeah,Yeah, you're a moron. You're a
simpleton. If if you do notunderstand that you can get into that lane

(53:00):
without having to straddle the former laneof travel that you were in, you're
you're asking to be rear ended.If you keep doing it, it's it's
just rude, and it's I justI don't know, I don't understand the
psychology. Look, we we goon rants all the time on driving.
We could go on forever. Butyes, well those are two good ones,

(53:22):
because I think people just out ofan abundance of caution will slow down
in those two scenarios before they justget out, get your vehicle out of
the lane of travel and into whereyou need to be before you're breaking and
stopping traffic behind you. That's whatthose lanes are designed for. That's all.

(53:44):
It's a driver's end. We needsome super hero drivers. Everybody thinks
they are the superior driver. We'vehad that discussion before. Yeah, it's
everyone else is the idiot. Soaccording to that, no, no idiots
exist because you're not the idiot.So we're just saying to stop and consider
maybe once in a while you're beingthe idiot. At the beginning of this

(54:06):
episode, we alluded to weightlifting liftingweights. Dan hits the gym early every
morning, and this is something you'vebeen in the practice of doing. I
mean, you've probably done it fora very long time, all the way
back into your twenties, but Iwant to say you became much more vigilant
in that in about your middle thirties. I'm probably awful early. Look,

(54:30):
I was lazy for a period ofabout eight years running companies and really had
extremely poor eating habits. I kepteating like I was a teenager, junk
food, you know, not veryactive because I was a desk jockey for
a while, and yeah, Igot got a little out of hand and

(54:52):
one day decided, you know what, it's time to fix that. So
I wasn't in my late thirties.I was in my barely thirty Okay,
so I said, mid we're talkingearly. But you always make me laugh
when you say, yeah, Iwas a big boy. I was a
big So what I want to hearfrom you now is because we're moving on

(55:15):
in life, but both you andI still make a point to be not
only extremely active, but to sharethat passion of pushing yourself to your limits.
Knowing that once you're in your thirties, and this is true for all
people, male and female, youstart to lose muscle mass in your thirties.

(55:36):
You and I are keenly aware ofthat, and then all the other
problems that losing that muscle mass createsthat as you age, you start to
struggle with balance and mobility, andyou know, I think for you,
you've realized you can move around orI guess defy aging in a way by

(56:00):
taking that practice seriously to say I'mgonna continue to work hard, push weight,
maintain muscle. I think there's somepeople though, that as they've aged,
maybe need some encouragement in that,because you say, you know,
is it really safe if I'm hittingfifty and beyond or sixty or seventy?
Is lifting weights even safe? AmI going to break something or snap something?

(56:23):
Like? Why do I even needto do it? Why does it
matter? I mean, can Iage gracefully without doing that? Why is
it helpful? I think it's goingto depend on each individual. You have
some guys that are top tier athletes. They've been that way their entire life,
and they are genetically predisposed to beingable to do feats that most of

(56:50):
us are not capable at any pointof our life. You're always going to
have those guys that continually run theIron Man and that grueling race, they
run marathons, when there are definitelythose elite athletes. For the rest of
us, though, really, Ithink you aige yourself more by not being

(57:14):
active. We're always trying to say, well, you know, by lifting
and doing things that get my cardioup and staying balancing and mobile, that
that's what's keeping me young or notlet my body wear out. I sometimes
actually would would argue and say bynot moving, it's kind of like a
vehicle. If you let a vehiclesit and you don't run the fluids through

(57:37):
it and you know, keep it, keep it moving, it will eventually
deteriorate because of non movement, right, non use. So I almost think
that it's it's a little bit more. I'm more inclined to say, the
people that don't do anything are moreinclined to be wearing their bodies out because

(58:00):
they're not using it. So thebody says that nothing's required of me out
of the ordinary. So like yousaid, I don't need the muscle,
I don't need the lung capacity,the blood pressure, all of that.
But the the trick that I have, I guess it's not even a trick.
The realization that I've come to is, yes, as you age,

(58:24):
you cannot recover as fast, andthat that is the thing that we I
don't know anybody that recovers very wellafter forty years old. Things that you
may have pulled or hurt in yourthirties, they're just there. Your body

(58:45):
is just not going to heal andrecover as fast, and that's just part
of the natural decaying process. Ithink the trick, though, is learning
finally that sweet ability to pace yourselfand to say, okay, today I
started lifting, and you know,instead of doing a personal record or trying

(59:07):
to push a lot of weight forwhatever body part I'm working, I may
start to get a little bit ofa tweak on my back and go,
hey, you know what, now'sthe time to back off. Go do
some stretching, go do something else. But it's foolish if you start to
feel that part of your body givenyou that sign saying hey, dummy,

(59:29):
your form's wrong, or you sleptwrong or whatever. The marryat of issues
is it is okay to modify.The key, though, is the consistency.
And for me, it's like wetalked about, you know, one
of our very first episodes, thatold saying that Jocko is so you know,

(59:52):
famous for discipline equals freedom, andit's that continual pushing yourself every to
get up when you don't want todo it, to make yourself go in
the early morning or after work forsome people, and to physically exert yourself

(01:00:13):
for a time for the greater goodof not only your body your health,
but also for your mental health.And I think that that really is is
kind of key. I don't dosome of the crazy stuff that I used
to do, and probably when whenI was younger, the stuff I was
doing was stupid. It wasn't eventhat I was younger and could It was

(01:00:34):
just that I was young. Itwas lucky. Well, and there's some
workouts too that I've seen where peopleI'm going, Okay, that's some kind
of weird juggling act that unless you'remaking money in a traveling circus, I
really don't understand the point of that, and you're risking larger injury. But
you know, I've seen this inpractice. I was in the supermarket today

(01:00:57):
and I'll see. You know whatwe'd refer to when do you call somebody
elderly such a funny word, elderly? Right, yeah, there is an
elderly woman. But the difference between, right, the difference between somebody who
can walk through a supermarket and Ihave a shopping cart, but I am.

(01:01:20):
I am pushing the shopping cart andI'm standing straight and tall and keeping
in mind my posture, so theshopping carts not propping me up. But
I'm watching people as early as intheir thirties and forties leaning on that thing,
the shopping cart, and using thatfor stabilization, not realizing how doing
those things over and over and overagain throughout your life are putting bad habits

(01:01:45):
into practice, and you're slowly losingthat mind muscle connection, that ability to
feel safe in your balance, Andthose are the things that when you're still
doing cross training and resistance training,your you're keeping on top of. So
the other thing when you say youare presenting well, you're being a good

(01:02:07):
steward of your body and the effortsnot to necessarily prolong your life. That
might be part of the outcome,but when you don't do it, it
isn't just that you're doing a disserviceto yourself, but as if you're allowing
yourself resigning to weakness, you eventuallybecome somebody else's problem. Yeah, it
doesn't mean you know, none ofus are immune from that. That may

(01:02:29):
happen anyway. Any of us mayhave an injury that sends you into catastrophic
failure. But to know that you'renot only doing that for yourself and a
better quality of life as you age, but you're doing it for your family,
for your spouse, for your kids. To say I'm going to be
as stable and balanced physically and ascapable as I can be for as long

(01:02:52):
as I can be. Every morning, when that alarm goes off or I
just acentrually wake up, usually myfirst thought is not, man, I
just want to leave the comfort ofthis warm bed, leave my wife's side,
and I would just want to godown and start working out that that's

(01:03:16):
not normally what goes through your mind. The thing about it is, though,
I think about this every time Isee somebody with something that has happened
to their body, where they eitherlose the loss of a limb or an

(01:03:37):
eye or ear or you name it. Somebody is not whole, And I
think how much if I were inthat person's place, how much would I
yearn for the days where I couldgo back? And the only thing that

(01:04:00):
was plaguing me was an attitude ofI just don't want to do this.
Yeah, I don't want to doit, or it hurts a little bit
more than it used to. Butrecognizing that there's and we've talked about this
before, but a difference between somethinghurts versus are you injured or is it
just it's painful? Because that thatis part of the aging process. Yeah

(01:04:26):
it is. But as as youstart to age more rapidly, I think,
because I think there's I'm learning thatyou never seem to age from your
twenties until you're you know, midto late thirties. Everything seems pretty much
the same, and then there's thismagic demarcation and I don't even know it

(01:04:50):
must have been It wasn't forty butit was. It was before forty five
where I started realizing saying, hey, can't do that same thing necessarily anymore.
However, I would say that froma strength standpoint, I am stronger
now than I was twenty years ago, and I think that's encouraging. It

(01:05:12):
is it is, and I don'tsee that changing Lord Willing anytime soon.
But it's okay to mix up whatyou do. You don't ever want to
be lazy if you're you know,we all see these people at the gym
that continually come in and they justhalf ass everything and there's no change.

(01:05:33):
And when I say no change,there's still obese. Right, So they
are not at a healthy weight andthey put twenty minutes on. Now you
can argue and say, hey,they're at least getting there and doing the
twenty minutes. And I understand thatthere's this fine line but learned. There's

(01:05:53):
so many resources today to where youcan learn it. And I would say,
work four weeks doing one workout routineMonday through Friday, and this is
this is the routine. And onthese days you're left in and doing these
compound movements whatever, and then youswitched up a little bit because your body
will adapt to it and then itwon't be as hard anymore. So you
want to kind of keep mixing itup. But it's it's as you get

(01:06:15):
older, it's really important to domobility type of activities. And that's full
range of motion with not as heavyweight, and it's it's using bands,
it's doing things like rotations that whereyou're you're rotating your entire sling, the
entire upper sling of your body,where you're like a throwing an axe,

(01:06:36):
not throwing it, but you knowit's swinging an axe. And doing those
things where you're you're engaging your coreand your hip flexures and and those are
things that are equally important that youput those into your workout from time to
time because yeah, we all knowthese people that look like bodybuilders and they

(01:06:59):
have massive muscles and probably most ofthem are on gear. I don't know,
but you know they're they're big lunks, and they're absolutely useless when it
comes to a tactical situation. They'renot able to perform basic things in life
that you have to get all thismuscle. But it's impractical, right,
It's kind of like that hard sixpack nonsense. Look, there are people

(01:07:23):
out there that are genetically gifted tobe lean and all of their abs show
and they've got a very low bodypercentage of fat, little body fat percentage.
But you know that other living yourlife so that you can look like
that all the time is completely moronic. It's it's stupid because you're depriving yourself

(01:07:48):
usually of the nutrients you need inorder to obtain what a physique, so
you can be one of those peoplethat somebody on the street goes, Wow,
I wish I look like that guyin the ten minutes later you forget.
That's what what what we do,right? We we spend all this
time so that we can we andI'm I'm not doing this, but I'm
using it as a as a generality. We're we're gonna do all this work

(01:08:12):
so that when when we're when we'rein our in our summer attire. You
know, we look like we're offa baywatch and we're going to carry this
physique and that's not reality and it'snot healthy. Uh So, I think
that a balance on everything, whereyou're eating good, you're cutting out the
refined sugars. I mean I alludedto the beginning. I made a decisions

(01:08:35):
a couple of weeks ago that Iwas going to abstain from drinking alcohol for
thirty days because I want to resetmy my metabolic baseline right because I'm starting
to get a little little soft.And the said, you know, I
need to stop doing that because Idon't want to have to buy another set
of pants that or ex size up. I was always impressed by people that

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I grew up with my grandfather onmob my dad's side, My Grandpa Ben
always stayed active. They would walkaround on the farm and you know,
they stay busy moving all day long. Today we are so spoiled that unless
you have one of those types ofof lifestyles to where you have to work

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all day long doing work on yourproperty. And I think even our favorite
neighbors next door and Michael, youknow, who is in his late sixties.
The dude is a beast. Heworks hard from the time the sun
comes up until it goes down.He doesn't need to go to a gym

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because he is constantly in motion.So, you know, if you're if
you're not gifted that way, youneed to continually keep your body moving,
and you need to eat correctly.You need to watch your the types of
refined food that you're eating. Look, I smoke cigars, I drink whiskey.
It's not as if I'm saying thatyou have to be so pure and

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eat organic as Look, we livein a fallen world. None of us
are getting out of the same alive. You know. People come up and
complain and tell me how stupid Iam to smoke cigars, and I'm looking
at the same person, you know, one that I'm talking about, and
they never pass up the chance toget fast food and to guzzle down soda.

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And we're not talking about the dietand stuff. So yeah, I
mean, it's I don't know howfar we got off your original topic,
but it's one of those things thatyou can talk about for a long time
on a lot of different fronts.Yeah, and I think now it's just
leaving with a word of encouragement.We've passed by a lot of topics,
some things that are funny or frustratingfor us. I think you're moving into

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really the culmination of what you weretalking about with fitness and neutral Chritian just
that there. It's never too lateto make a change, never, And
the idea isn't perfection. The ideais to make changes that are sustainable.
Like Dan said, it's this thingwhere you have to be at eight percent
body fat walking around beach ready.Really that that doesn't make you the strongest,

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most well rounded person in the room, or ready for a fight or
ready for endurance. Those are thethings to keep in mind, and that
really is the encouragement. It isultimately, be hard to kill. That's
my motto. I didn't coin thatphrase. I have adopted it as so

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many others have. It is agreat motto to have, which is be
hard to kill. And what doesthat mean? By being hard to kill?
It means that you are not goingto succumb to basic, stupid diseases
that are preventable type two diabetes,heart disease because you've decided that to take
the easy, lazy way out andjust live for comfort, get your body

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conditions so that even the times thatwe have coming up, I have no
doubt that we are heading as wehave talked about many times on this show.
We're we're heading into some hard timesand it's going to take a very
strong people to get through this becauseof the things that we will face,
and now is the time to begetting ready. I was encouraged when I

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saw one of the trainers at thegym that you and I attend early in
the morning. A lady was inthere with her service dog, and so
you know she she had some somephysical I don't ailments not the right word,
but but limitations, physical limitations,and you know, here she is.

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They're getting to work out in doingwhat she can, and it's just
a great example to the rest ofus that we can always give just a
little bit more. We have talkedabout a myriad of subjects, We've gotten
tangents. We spared people from listeningto any of the political stuff this to

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go around. We are going tocontinue our typical topics of conversation in the
episodes to come, as we talkmore and more about those four basic principles
that our fathers believed in when itcomes to liberty. So staying courage.

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Remember, we did not descend fromfearful or lazy men, and when we
came from a long line, wehave come from a long line of men
and women who put their comfort aside. They strive for the greater good of
their fellow man, their neighbors,stay active, go do the right thing.

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