Episode 46 - “Leaning Into Fear” with Natanya Bravo - Untethered and Prosperous

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Awareness and openness to really get curiousabout yourself. Also, I lean into
fear. I think a lot ofpeople like run away from fear or try
to make it go away. AndI'm like, Okay, fear, you're
here, but get in the car. We've got places to go. I'm
driving. You can sit in thebackseat and you can be there, and
that's fine, but you don't getto decide where we go. And I

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try to flip fear and look atit as I'm actually more afraid of wondering
what if if I don't do thisthing, then doing this thing and like
falling place on my falling flat onmy face and my family. I'd rather
have tried, because I think Irealized really early on that we only get
like one chance to come show upand do all the things that we want
to do in this life. Andso why wouldn't I seize that? Why

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wouldn't I go all in? Whatdo I have to lose because some random
person on the internet things I lookcrazy? Who cares? Hey, it's
way And you're listening to Untethered andProsperous, the podcast where we focus on
the two biggest things passionate, purposedriven entrepreneurs need to untether to become wildly

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prosperous and successfully happy, and thosetwo huge anchors are bad money stories and
chronic self sabotage. So what wedo is have real and inspiring conversations with
amazing entrepreneurs who have done just that. So get ready to get untethered and
get prosperous. Hey, it's waiteand welcome to another episode of the Untethered

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and Prosperous Podcast, which is allabout helping you untether from the shackles of
things like bad money stories and selfsabotage patterns that keep us from living a
prosperous life. And again, I'mreally excited about our guests today. I'm
excited about all our guests, butevery single one has a very unique way
of showing up. And so letme tell you a little bit about Natania

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Bravo. What a cool last name, right, Natania Bravo, and you'll
hear just what. She's the creatorand founder of the Bravo Life Way to
use your name, I suggest everybodydo that. And she spent the first
part of her career living bicostal betweenNew York and Los Angeles, creating global
brand marketing campaigns for Fortune five hundredconsumer brands such as Adidas one of my

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favorite brands, BMW not No Oneof my favorites, and Coca Cola,
among others. While successful by society'sterms, and I think a lot of
us entrepreneurs can recognize that, especiallyif you're doing this for a while,
she knew that she wasn't living upto her potential. Now, if you're
listening to this and say, yes, that is a case leave review said,
yeah, I can relate. Tiredof saying one day, one day,

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this one day that she finally listenedto that internal voice and leaped into
the unknown, leaving behind a successfulcareer by societal standards. Natania booked a
one way ticket to Paris to realizeher potential and create her dream life.
And maybe that was the key forme. I should have just left the
country altogether. Shortly after, theBravo Life was born to inspire women around

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the world to realize and actualize theirfull potential. Now a global community of
over forty thousand women, the BravoLife provides coaching resources, live experiences,
and retreats for women all over theworld who are committed to living their best
lives as their best selves. Throughpowerful brand strategy and marketing which she pulled

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from her old life, Natania empowerspurpose driven coaches and consultants around the world
with the tools, resources, andstrategies to create and grow their own thriving
businesses that serve others. But enoughof me just reading off a bio and
talking about her. Let's hear fromherself, Natania. Welcome to the show.
Thank you. I am so excitedto be here, happy to be

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here, glad that we were ableto reconnect, and excited to chat today.
I was just gonna say that,I say share the audience that you
know, we got a chance toreconnect on a whole different way, but
we actually had, and you remindedme. Thank you for reminding me.
You reminding we had met years agoin a different form when we were both
part of another program with another coach, right, So super cool that and

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then to hear about all your successessince then. Oh, I'm so excited
to share this with our audience today. But let's set the framework first,
because with every guest that comes here, I don't care where you are.
Everybody has their own definitions in theirworld of how they define things right and
untethered and prosperous, those two wordsare no different. So what I would

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like you to share with our audiences, what is your definition of what it
means to be untethered. Yeah,so it's definitely changed as I've changed and
involved over the years. I feellike, for right now, my definition
of untethered is really being free andreleased from usually myself. I often relate

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to the fact that my biggest roadblockis me, and so previously I probably
would have said, oh, untetheredfrom certain situations or certain circumstances or other
people, But right now, it'sreally from myself and you know, the
self sabotaging behaviors that often have eitherkept me playing small or kept me comfortable

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and secure quote unquote, but we'renever really secure when we're doing that.
And so yeah, I think,really it's being untethered from what the mask
of what I previously was living orfelt like I had to put on to
navigate and be prosperous. That's sucha good way to kind of describe that,
because I think what you just sharedas a journey that a lot of

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entrepreneurs go through, and you canit's almost like a mark of maturity and
when you start to realize I canuntether from the external circumstances I have to
untether from I think I'm What you'resaying is untether from previous versions of yourself.
Yeah, it's like that self awarenesspiece, which is such a key,
key, key thing when it comesto growing yourself and your business.

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So I love that definition. Supercool, super good, and so relevant
to where you are and such atestament to how you've been able to so
quickly grow your business. So let'stalk about the prosperous piece because you mentioned
that to create a prosperous life,So what does it mean for na Ton?
Yeah, specifically, what does thatmean to be prosperous? What does

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that mean? Yeah, and againI know we're going to talk about this.
I'm in a very transitional phase,so even my answer to this six
months ago would not be what itis going to be right now, right
now. Prosperous for me, Ithink of abundance, but I don't think
of necessarily just an abundance in termsof cash or people or followers or whatever
it is. I'm talking about anabundance of self confidence, an abundance of

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love around me. An abundance ofpeace. That's actually my word for this
year is just peace, Like thatis what I'm calling in, and that's
what I want to be abundant in. Wow. So what was it six
months ago? Just so that wecan see, I mean, that's that's
amazing because a lot of the shiftsand change, and this is probably why
you're as successful as yours because you'reso willing to shift without being like having

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to stuck on how long it's goingto take. It's like six months ago,
I was a completely different person exactly. Yeah, probably six months ago,
I would have been focused on themetrics, the numbers, so prosperous,
number of clients, number of followers, number of pr reaches with articles,
number of revenue right, hitting acertain revenue goal. I was very
focused on that, and like howto fix it, how to make it

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work? Why isn't that working asquickly as I wanted? Now, I
am prosperous in peace, and I'mso happy with just standing firm and that.
And I would actually say, andthis, I'm sure you know this
from your own experience. Leaning intothat has made the other things like figure
themselves out without me having to likeforce or try yeah, No, I

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like what you're saying. There's whenyou lean into I think, because like
it's an indication of growth for onething, right, Yeah, And you
have no idea how many times I'vehad millionaires walk through my office door and
they're they're much older than you.Realizing that I don't feel very prospers right

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now, and all the metrics saythat I shouldn't feel this way, but
yeah, I feel this way.Yeah. I think a realization for me
was and I think a lot ofentrepreneurs experienced this. A lot of my
clients have expressed this to me.Where we leave like a corporate career,
and oftentimes it's in search of somethingbigger, grander than just like a title
or finances, and then we endup creating a business that creates the exact

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same cycle of what we just left. Job for yourself, right basically,
Like that is what I ended updoing, and I know I'm sure others
have experienced it too, where I'mlike, Okay, sure I'm making more
money, but I'm doing I'm feelingthe exact same feelings I felt before,
Like I still don't feel fulfilled,I still don't feel prosperous, right,

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I still don't feel untethered. Andthe shift is not in the metrics or
the number, as you were justsaying, it's really in ourselves and in
me in this case. Yeah,And it's so cool that you've come to
this awareness so early on, becauseI'll tell you, I think a lot
of a lot of entrepreneurs they don'twake up to this as quickly. What

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do you think contributed to your abilityto be so so agile in this ability
to kind of pivot and shift andgrow and just kind of like you know,
because you've seen it too, I'msure people who are in their fifties
and sixties and then waking up goingoh, yeah, maybe I'm not so
happy with these metrics. Yeah,maybe I've created a job for myself and
now I can't get mad at aboss. I can only get mad at

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myself or being a slave driver.Yeah. I think it's a combination of
things. And I'm still learning andgrowing. I can't say every day I'm
like, yes, I'm prosperous inpeace and everything's amazing. That would be
a complete lie, but I definitely, And then you would be an android
and not human. Yea happening.It might be interesting now, but I

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definitely think and awareness and openness toreally get curious about yourself. Also,
I lean into fear. I thinka lot of people like run away from
fear or try to make it goaway. And I'm like, okay,
fear, you're here, Like,but get in the car. We've got
places to go. I'm driving.You can sit in the backseat and you
can be there, and that's fine, but you don't get to decide where

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we go. And I try toflip fear and look at it as I'm
actually more afraid of wondering what ifif I don't do this thing, then
doing this thing and like falling placeon my falling flat on my face and
like failing. I'd rather have tried, because I think I realized really early
on that we only get like onechance to come show up and do all
the things that we want to doin this life. And so why wouldn't

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I seize that? Why wouldn't Igo all in? What do I have
to lose because some random person onthe internet things I look crazy? Who
cares? That's true? Those internettrolls, I mean they can actually,
you know, completely ruin somebody's day. No, yeah, but you know,
I love that you're saying that.And and here's the thing is that
there are a lot of people whowho are hearing this is as well,

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and they have, you know,these reasons because fear is such a big
part of our society. Fear sucha big driver in so many of our
decisions. I mean, there areentire industries where that rely on fear in
order for them to sell, right, such as insurance for example, although
I do know people and I havehelped people to move away from that paradigm

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and sell insurance without using fear,which is kind of an interesting parades.
Yeah, I know, right,because you and I were thinking fear.
Okay, well I get insure.It's just in case, right, in
case, that's the why you wouldget insurance. But there's a whole separate
thing on that. But anyway,but when that, how do you how
would you what would you say topeople that somebody that somebody's saying like,

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wow, you know it's easier saidthan done because you must have learned it
from somewhere or is that just somethingthat you just said, like you're saying
this. The realization is, youknow, I have one life to make
all the best decisions that I possiblycan. And how did you How would
you able to overcome that societal pressureof not to be, you know,

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to be not so that you couldn'tbe governed by fear? Yeah, And
like I said, I guess partof it is that I don't try to
like eliminate the fear. I thinkthat's the first thing of like people think
the fear is not supposed to bethere. It's there. I'm scared every
single day, but I do itanyway, And that is a muscle.
I think that's built over time.But the first time that I think I
really had a big shift in thatwas when I did leave my corporate career,

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and that was just being tired ofliving the same year over and over
and calling it happiness and success rightwhere you look back and you're like,
every year, every day, everyweek is the same, and am I
going to keep doing this for anotherten years more? Do I try something
new and guess what worst case scenario? And usually your worst case scenarios you

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end up exactly where you are today, so you really don't have anything to
lose. Like, Okay, soI tried it didn't work, I got
to go back and get another job. Okay, sure, but at least
I know now, and I alwayssay when you do try, it's always
gonna work out. I've never seenit for myself or anyone else not work
out, even better than you canpossibly imagine. But it does require just

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saying I'm terrified. I'm scared,but I'm going to do it anyway,
and I know that is easier saidthan them. It was terrified. I
cried the whole way on to theplane to go to Paris. I cried
when I got there, like whatdid I just do? I'm a hot
mess. I cried every single daymy first few weeks there. But I
also again was like, I'm moreafraid of continuing to live this same life

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and then ten years from now sayingwhat if I would have listened to that
little inkling that told me to writedown the words the Bravo life, or
listen to that little inkling that saidgo to Paris for six months and see
what happens. I would be sittingthere wondering what if. I remember giving
my notice to my boss, whowas the CMO of the company at the
time, and she was getting emotionalsaying I wish I would have done this

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at your age and I'm so proudof you and like you have no idea
like how amazing is going to befor you? Like I really that's my
biggest regret. And I think asyou start to take those little steps of
starting to lean into what's possible,may not even taking the big action,
but just starting to like I wouldstart to google things about like living in
Paris, and little signs like thatof affirmation. I remember an Uber driver

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who honestly, this man I don'tI wish I knew his name and like
number I'd love to call him.He's probably had one of the biggest impacts
of like my decision. My Uberdriver that took me to the airport to
go to Paris. He was askingme, like, where are you in
the Paris? I want to knowmore about you? And I told him
my story and like what I wasdoing and what I you know, I
don't really know what I'm doing.I'm just going to like see what happened.

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And he was like, I'm soproud of you and all this complete
stranger like having like by But Ithink those are the affirmations that happen once
you start to take the steps thatare leading me to wherever it is that
you're you're supposed to go, andyou probably won't know where that is.
You just got to take one littlestep at the time and trust and know

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that you will get those signs ofaffirmation of being on the right path,
even though you don't know where thepath is leading right. It was almost
as if the universe is speaking throughthat uber driver as a way to kind
of just let you know, usingthat conduit, so to speak, say
hey, you're okay, You're gonnabe okay. Yeah, it's super cool
and you know. And what struckme also was a CMO. And and

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I wonder if you if you feelthe same way the CMO. I don't
even know how old she was,but doesn't matter her saying that if she
wished she had done that, whatis keeping her from doing it now?
Because we live in a time whereyou can be, I mean, create
success, grow in six months,to be total to different paradigm of existence.
Is it the age thing or isit just another story? Do you

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think people have bought into that thereit's too late for them or they wish
that. Yeah, I think it'sthe stories that we tell herself. Yes,
she has probably certain situations, andI think we all at different stages
of life. I have kids thatyou have to consider. You might have
a partner you have to consider.But everything is possible. Maybe it's going
to take you a few months longer, a few years longer, maybe you've

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got a plan more in advance.Everything is possible. There's and so that
for me also was a shift whenI first thought of my friend actually told
me like, I was like,I've always wanted to move to Paris.
She asked me to say something I'venever said out loud, and I was
like, I've always wanted to moveto Paris. I was like terrified to
say it, and she's like,you have to do it, and I
was like, I can't do it. I have a job, I have
a mortgage, I have this.I had all these reasons right, which

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if I wanted them to, couldbe valid reason. I do have a
mortgage, I do have a job, I do have a car note.
But once I started to really leaninto it, like is that a make
or break, Like there's absolutely noway around that. No, And I
would say ninety nine point nine percentof the time that's the case. My
mom left her entire life when shewas thirty four with two kids, and
she says, two kids in twoboxes and started anew in a whole new

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country. And you know, shehad to make other considerations because she had
two kids. She was not makinganything near what I was making when I
quit my job, but she didit. And I really think we do
tell ourselves stories, and we're ourbiggest root blocks. Yeah. No,
I love that story, and Ilove the way you're sharing that because it's
a demonstration of how again, likeyou're talking about how we can get in

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our own way, and one ofthe ways that we can get our own
way is buying into the excuses andreasons that we tell ourselves. And that's
what I'm hearing. What you whatyou're what you're saying there, and you're
You're right. Different times in differentlives simply require different type of systems and
structures and planning. But it doesn'tmean it's a reason for you to not

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choose a path that you want sogood, so good, you know,
I you know. And And it'sit's something that I say to my clients
all the time, and yet it'salways nice to hear someone else say the
same thing, but in a differentlens. Different perspective with different stories and
metaphors, because it helps kind ofdrive that point just how important is for

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us to not allow ourselves to stopourselves, which is kind of the theme
of how you started it off withwhat it means to become untethered, to
become untethered from you as an ownbottleneck and stopping block to your own self
life. So speaking of which,well, then now let's talk about the
bravo life you you went off andyou've obviously made it for yourself at least

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to this juncture where you're now canafford the ability to be a mom and
to reevaluate what it is that youtruly want next. Right, So let's
talk about all of it where youare right now. And then, of
all the things you discussed, whatwas one of the biggest things you had
to untether from in order to achievethe success you have today. Yeah,
So, as you mentioned earlier,my background was in brand marketing, and

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so once I started my business,I was sharing very authentically about my story
and I started working with clients juston contracts and things like that when I
first moved to Paris, and sothen I started getting entrepreneurs saying like,
can you help me with this?How do I do this? How do
you start a business online? Howdo you grow on Instagram? And naturally
it just evolved from that to wherenow we help coaches with their messaging and

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creating offers to scale and so withinthat though, I obviously am like,
oh, this is what I alwayssay to my clients, and I'm also
having to like coach myself now whereI'm a whole human And yes, I
can talk about business strategy, Ican talk about funnels, I can help
you understand how to create great contentand messaging and build a platform. But
I also really love talking about women'sempowerment. I love talking about manifestation.

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I love talking about money, mindset. I love talking about what we're talking
about today, the idea of likeremoving the mass that we often feel or
learn to put on to quote unquotesurvive, to really step into who we're
really here to be. And Ireally believe that we're all here to be
of service to each other. Andso right now I'm in a phase for
myself of transitioning and really looking atlike what do I want the bigger why

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for why I stepped out into thisbig leap to be and I know that,
you know, business coaching and strategywill always be a part of it,
but it's a part of it,not all of it. That's not
all that I am and all thatI'm here to do. And so I'm
just allowing myself to really be comfortableand the discomfort of not knowing. Yeah,
Oh, I love that. Isay that, I'll dying find comfort

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and discomfort right, and just beingokay, right, being okay with not
knowing, because I think our academicsystem trains us to not be okay with
not knowing the answer. Yeah.You're supposed to know the answer, yeah,
and don't you fail? Yeah,and you're supposed to know how to
do it. And this is somethingthat comes up with my clients a lot.
They're like, well, how doyou just like, I'll tell them
an idea for a content or messagingand they're they're just like, how do

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you do that so quickly? AndI'm like, one, I've been doing
this for years and you're learning somethingnew that we've never done before. Give
yourself some grace sometimes patience. Ithink we're all trained to be these like
experts right away, especially in thisonline space where everyone's an expert. Right,
we're all experts in something which Iheard a reframe of that the other

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week that I really resonated within,which is I'm not an expert because if
I was an expert, that meansI have absolutely nothing else to learn in
this subject matter, which is justnot true. I think we all have
unique knowledge and experience that we canlikely pass on and help other people that
maybe a couple steps behind us.But that doesn't make us like this guru
thing that I think sometimes people arepretending to be, or we feel like

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we have to be in order tomake noise online. Yeah, I tell
people, don't ever call me aguru. I'm nobody's guru. And that's
why I tell people. Just thinkof me as your serpa to help you
guide, to help guide you towhere you actually want to go. It's
not my life I'm helping you,know, it's your life. I help
you, right, But I thinkI think it's so perfect that you are

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are on this podcast because our audienceis exactly that. It's kind of They're
these six to eight figure entrepreneurs.They made, you know, quote unquote
the textbook success, and they're inseek of, well, how do I
aligne that with my purpose because itsounds like that's kind of where this is
headed right now. You're you're onthat journey of explaining, well, why

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why am I really here? It'snot just marketing and marking language or being
able to help these coaches and stufflike that. There's so much more.
And I like that you're going intothe woman's empower and piece because that's half
our population on the planet. It'svery broad audience. Yeah, but I
mean, but there's so many layersto that as well, and through the
metaphor, it sounds like of youbeing successful in both in the corporate world

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and in the entrepreneurial world. Rightyou can there's there's some kind of deeper
piece there that that you have yetto kind of elicit to help the help
your audience. Yeah. Yeah,And I'm allowing myself to like just play
in that space and be open towhat ideas and creativity comes to me.

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But I will also say just beingvulnerable about this has opened up a whole
nether level of connection with myself andmy audience people that follow me. I
get so many responses to emails toposts that I make of oh my gosh,
thank you so much for sharing this, and I think people see,
okay, like we've served about athousand clients in the last three years,

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and so someone that's just starting theirbusiness or who's like, oh my gosh,
that's amazing. But you know,there are months where there's no sales.
There are months where I don't knowwhat I'm doing, And so just
being open and honest about that andkind of pulling the curtain back that like,
yes, like you can have successin one area but still be learning
and growing in other areas. It'sokay, And you know, it's not

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this like end goal of Okay,once I make two hundred thousand dollars or
a million dollars, I'm going tobe happy and everything's perfect and I don't
need to do any more learning orgrowing. I think that is a trap
that maybe a lot of people aresetting these goals in hope of that and
will be severely disappointed once they reachthem. Yeah, and I think there's
a part of you that actually wantsto also make greater impact, Like for

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you, when I heard you saya thousand is like, I think there's
another part of you that says that'snot enough. We need to help more
right, Yeah, people who arenew going. That's a lot of people.
It's like I was kind of inAnd one of the reasons why I
stepped out into being publicly more visibleyears ago it was because I don't think
a lot of people know this.But in the very beginning, when I

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was a coach and I was helpingpeople, I was helping. Every single
one of my clients required me tosign an iron client bulletproof NBA to not
even be able to help because therewere celebrities, thought leaders, these are
these are people who were so fora long time, I was like,
wore that bad and the best gustsecret. But I only had like a
handful of clients, right, AndI was like, why this is not

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really hill It's not and they getme. They won't even talk ABOIM.
So it's like, this is notreally helping a lot of people. And
so and then that came out.But then when when I started to speak
around the world, and that's whenI started to see the bigger numbers and
we started to see that that's that'swhat lights it up. It's not the
money piece, it's not all thatthe fact that that person that you looked
at in the honors. And I'msure you've experienced this too, right with

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your live experiences that you said thatone thing and you saw one person or
two people or a handful of peoplein the audience is totally light up and
like oh, or get teary eyedor getting yeah, and it's because of
something that you were able to passon from your own life. Yeah,
And oftentimes it can be something thatthey or you and I have heard multiple

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times, but it's the way thatyou're meant to say it or I'm meant
to say it that has that finalclick for that person, which wouldn't have
happened if I decided to stay smalland not lean into what I'm here to
do, right, And so Ithink that's really important to you is just
you know, if someone can hearsomething over and over again, but then
you are going to have a uniqueway of presenting it, of offering it

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that's going to resonate with that personin a way that no one else could
and completely shift how they show upin this way. Yeah. It's like
music, you know, and theway I kind of that's why I love
music is such a universal way ofcommunication because it doesn't even care about language,
right, the harmonics of it all. I mean, just the way
your vocal patterns come across expressing thesame thing they probably heard of a million

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times before, but because it wasyour frequency, right, your timber or
timber or how are they call ittimber anyway, you know what I'm talking
about, right, Just the wayyou deliver it, and the pace you
deliver it, and the state,the energetic state you're in in that moment.
Right, This is all science basedand everything like that. That's why
when you hear love songs, whyis it not not everybody loves every love

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song that's out there, because there'sdifferent harmonics, different sounds, different energy
waves, sound waves, and sothat's basically what you're I think what you're
describing right there is that. AndI think what people don't realize is when
you focus on you and you wantto make an impact and you tune your
frequency up, that's when you startto become more universally palatable. That makes

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sense. Yeah, yeah, sosuper cool. So so you're you know,
you're obviously creating a level success whereyou're not. Really it's not so
much about survival at this point.It's more about what is next? Right,
Yeah, really stepping into the fullpower of me and like not shrinking

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from I'm actually an introvert, andso it's very uncomfortable for me sometimes to
be seen. Right, I'm notsomeone that you walk in the room,
and I'm not that person like youknow, I walked in, right,
I'm pretty to observe. I'm goingto sit in the corner. I'm observing
everything, but I'm not the hey, everyone look at me. And so
that like taking it to another level. It was already uncomfortable to get to

(27:32):
this level right doing workshops and talksand webinars, but I've leaned into that.
I'm much more comfortable. You practiceat something, you get good at
it, right. But now it'sI believe that I'm being pushed into another
level of that that again is goingto require me to get out of my
own way, you know, andit's and it's something there's something to be
said at that, and I lovethis journey. That I want to always

(27:55):
kind of point out is that you'reon a point right now where you make
in a month what most people striveto make in a year, right.
And what happens is this is thatyou know when people say, well,
I don't want to be just aboutthe money. But but look at what
this is affording you to be ableto do right now. And I think
a lot of people miss out onthat point of you know, because I
talk to people a lot about thebad money stories, and one of the
biggest bad money stories, it's like, oh, it's not about the money.

(28:18):
I don't want to that's but that'sa bad money question. We live
in a capitalistic world. Be bornin a different era if you want to
try to be different. Yeah,And that's something And particularly with my clients
who primarily identify as women, wehave such a hard time with saying I
want to make more money. Iwas actually talking to some prior clients recently

(28:40):
as I was building out a newprogram to get some insights from them,
and I was asking, like,Okay, you want to make twenty thousand
months, thirty thousand months, whateveryour number is, but like why,
And they would all say some versionof well, this is going to sound
selfish, but and I would listenand then they would say, I want
to take my mom on a fivestar vacation. I want to put my
kid in private school. I wantto have a nanny or a chef or
I want to get massages, AndI'm like, how is that selfish?

(29:03):
Right? I think we've been taughtthat to want money, which if you
don't have money, it's a littlehard to operate in today's society. Right,
Yeah, It's ultimately just an exchangefor the things that we desire that
are ultimately going to have you showup better, be able to support your
family better, be able to havebetter experiences. Why wouldn't you want more
of that? Why not? Likewho wants to limit that? It doesn't

(29:27):
make you a bad person. Ithink because we've been raised in a society
where rich is kind of seen asbad or dirty, and money doesn't grow
on trees what actually does? Andall the other stories that come up,
we have this sense of if Isay I want more money, that means
I'm trying to scam people. AndI'm like, no, they're not connected,
No, not at all. ButI think but I think what you're

(29:49):
bringing is is a very valid pointthat so many human beings are plagued with,
and me as well growing up isthat And this is why I'm so
passionate about helping people with their badmoney, because it's a total life changing
moment when you realize money has nothingto do with all those those are just
you're just using money like a toollike it it's meant to be used to
validate a particular belief or story thathas nothing to do with money. Right,

(30:14):
So did you grow up with anyof that or was that something that
you had to kind of untella all, Yeah, I know it's a rhetorical
question, but sometimes people like,no, I didn't grow up with them.
Oh I would love to have grownup where they grew up in.
Yeah, no, one hundred percent. I remember early on when I started
to dive deep into this and Istarted to realize, you know what everyone

(30:37):
that we as a society see aslike rich or successful, they all were
saying different versions of the same thing, that it all starts with the mind,
the belief. And for years Iwas like, that's a little crap,
Like I don't know what you guysare talking about, but that's a
little crap. But then I justhad a moment one day are I was
like, what if it's true?Though they're all saying the same thing,
Like what if I just chose tobelieve that's true? And I just went

(30:59):
down this So I started to uncoverthings and started to listen to YouTube videos
and learn more about it. Andthat's where I started to question my beliefs
around money, and I wrote aletter to money and all very angry letter.
By the way, I was veryangry with money. You know you're
always leaving me, you never wantto stay. You're like ruining my life.
Got it all out on paper,and I started to realize some of

(31:22):
the beliefs I had around needing tobe smarter to make more money, right,
I needed to be prettier to makemore money, or if I made
more money that people would judge meso many different things. And even now
there's still things that I am workingto, as you say, untether to
go to my next level. ButI will definitely say getting clear on your

(31:45):
as you say, bad many storiesis one hundred percent necessary unless you want
to continue to live in like thatwhat I was living in when I was
writing that letter and very angry letterto money. But I love that exercise.
That is a nominal exercise because Ithink it being putting anything on paper
that is authentically true and it's runningunderneath you that you can see for yourself.

(32:07):
It's like whoa am I really sayingthose things. Did you catch yourself
seeing that, like when you're runingstick today? Am I really this angry
at money? You know? WhenI was writing it, it wasn't reflect
It wasn't until I step back andreread the letter that I was like,
oh, like, yeah, no, wonder money doesn't want to come here.
It's not really welcome, no,and it doesn't want to be around
funky angry energy. Why it's likea relationship, right, Yeah, why

(32:31):
would you be out of in arelationship with somebody that is angry at you
all the time? It's like no, no. Yeah. So, speaking
of like untethering for that next biglee, what is next for the Brava
life? I know you're still youknow, you're kind of in the journey
of seeking and finding that UM andwe can talk more about that, But
what do you think at this pointanyway, what does it sort of kind

(32:54):
of look like or what do youfeel that's going to be that next big
leap? And more important, what'sgoing to be that next and tethering that
needs to happen you feel so youcan have that tomorrow if you wanted to.
Yeah, I really believe intuitively thatit's more conversations similar to the one
we're having right now to really inspirepeople to question their own thoughts, life

(33:15):
beliefs around what's keeping them from whatit is that they want. Also,
you know, I just wrote aletter today to myself, a public letter
on Instagram about being proud of theprior version of myself. I think sometimes
we get so focused on where we'renot that we forget that the things that
we're living experience having right now arethings that once we once dreamed of.
And so I think it's having morepublic conversation around this. I definitely we

(33:37):
do retreats, we do events.We want to start to do those on
a bigger level reach more people.I truly believe in the ripple effect of
anyone that has any sort of purposedriven business, where you know, this
podcast, you're helping someone who's nowgoing to be to help someone else,
who's now going to help someone else. And I think it's more stepping into
that realm of things and helping peoplereally realize that you don't have to wear

(33:59):
a mat as, that you arein control of your the only thing that
we can control is ourselves ultimately,and starting to drop some of those excuses
and really leaning into I almost likechase fear so instead of running away from
it. And I think that's likea message that I want to pass on
is when I see fear and excitement, that's my go side. And so
I'm looking every day where can Isee that I'm terrified, but also there's

(34:22):
a little ping of excitement go there. And I think this next level for
the brovel life is yes, reachingmore coaches, helping them have a bigger
impact. I think sometimes the coachingindustry gets a bad rap, but I
think it's incredible that we're in societytoday that now there's so many people looking
for ways to expand and grow professionally, personally, and so I want to

(34:42):
definitely want to be part of helpingthe right people get their message out,
but also just helping people really stepinto the version. And to me,
it's really coming back to who youalways were, but likely somewhere along the
way you change because of stories thatwe told ourselves or society told you.
Coming back who you've always been toreally just live the life that's literally waiting

(35:04):
for each of us. It justrequires the boldness, the confidence, be
scared to step into it right.And I think it sounds like the process
that you use to help people withtheir messaging and everything like that almost requires
them to at least take a stepin that direction for that journey of finding
themselves. Right, So it's morethan just like I had another guest that

(35:27):
she specialized in photography, and it'snot the photography, it's what that experience
of stepping in front of a cameraand being comfortable with yourself. She does
boudoir stuff for women, So okay, it's like really kind of owning your
beauty no matter what it is thatyou look like, you know, no
matter what society thinks, right,And I think that's her. That's why

(35:47):
she does it, you know,not just to make pictures, but to
allow their clients such as yours,to go even deeper in order to get
that message. Yeah. The firstthing we do is dive into their story
because I think there's power in sharingour stories and I think more of us
need to do that. Yeah,totally, So I love that. So
very cool. So what do youthink then, is the big the next

(36:09):
big untethering for you to be Likeif you like, what is that big
untelling that if you were to untetherfrom that like today, like that next
big leap would happen like tomorrow.So too. One related to money is
that I can't be trusted to holdon to or manage large sums of money.
That's one hundred percent I believe thatI have. And that's a relative

(36:32):
thing because you're already dealing with largesums of money from you know, like
just about some figures, right,So yeah, so it's a relative thing.
It's not it's so subjective, right, large amounts of money. So
what does that amount for you rightnow? Oh, that's a good question.
And I haven't actually thought about that, I think so for probably I
do not answer. For the lastyear we I have had a goal of

(36:57):
one hundred k cash month, andI know the reason it has happen is
because of me, like very close. But there's something about that number that
feels terrifying for me, probably becauseI feel like I can't manage it,
or I'm going to lose it,or I'm gonna judge for it or all
the other things, right, Yeah, And so definitely that on the money
side, and then just in general, I think it is that I am

(37:21):
not good enough to be seen ona larger level. Yeah, that one's
that one I think is even deeperand is connected to that money piece.
Right, oh yeah too, Soit's like here, yeah, here's a
deeper thing and that money piece isjust one of the presenting symptoms. Right.
But it's very but it's up frontand center, I think, because

(37:42):
you're working on that and you're hittingthat. That's so very, so very
it's not uncommon and it's so interestingbecause I love I love that you shared
that because so many people think,oh, if I hit this level success,
Like, for example, there arepeople who they're they're looking to you
as they're their goal, right,Like, that's that's who I want to

(38:02):
model, That's who I want tobe like. And what I've seen over
the years of taking people from zeroto six, six to seven, allay
up to as much as nine orten, is that ten figures is that
every level of significant growth. Andthis is use money as kind of like
the measuring tape, right, becauseit has nothing to do with my money
is just there as a as alike a milestone marker, some bad money

(38:25):
story or some deep thing will getkicked up because prior to that it had
no reason to be kicked up,right, it was just kind of hibernating
or you know, endormant mode,because especially when we're going to the unknown.
Yeah, because and I think itsounds like in your case and the
same with mine. I mean,I had to deal with this. And
tell me if this resonates with you, is that when I started stepping into

(38:47):
a space of income that was beyondwhat I saw growing up, that I
was like, I have no frameof reference for this. Yeah, I
think that was part of it.But I also had a rapid growth,
Like I went from like five keymonths to fifty ky months in the span
of like six months. And Iwas like, what's happening. People are

(39:10):
making a mistake. I don't deservethis, Like it's a trap, it's
a fluke. What's going on?Am I getting punk? So yeah,
well, I mean, and Ithink it runs deeper. And an example
of that how it has nothing todo with money. I went to the
same thing when I got into UCLA. M I was so beaten down as

(39:34):
a way to motivate me negatively,and and you know that I didn't think
I could get into any college becauseI kept hearing with those grades, you
won't get into any college. Withthose grades, you won't be you know,
da da da dada, overna,you won't be anything but a janitor,
and blah blah blah blah, allthose different things. I was like,
wow. And so when I gotin, my dad of course,

(39:54):
was ecstatic, and I was sayingI was feeling in said there's this must
be a mistake. When's the whenwhen's the joke mail gonna come to?
It's like, oh, sorry,we made a mistake. Yeah, we
didn't mean to accept you. Andso I think it's similar type of circumstance.

(40:14):
But one has to do with moneyand one doesn't. So what's the
common nomin It's not money, right, we just use money to do that.
I had something similar too. Iwant I remember getting when I was
working in the financial industry in thearea of real estate. I think I
remember getting like an eighty thousand dollarscheck. I was like, ah,
this is a joke, right.It's like one of those Ed McMahon things
that you opened the Does anybody rememberthat anymore? Sweets things? Said McMahon,

(40:37):
the sweepstakes thing that you open upin the mail and it says,
oh you got it. You wantten million dollars or you want a million
dollars. Do you remember that?Did they still do that? Right now?
They still send those out? Idon't think so. I haven't received
any for a really long But growingup, we would get that those sweepstakes
things, right, and then that'swhat I thought it was. I didn't

(40:57):
think it was real. And evenwhen I went to the bank to deposit
it, you know, this islike, oh my god, this is
before the whole crash and everything likethat I deposited, I was like,
am I going to get embarrassed andand say, sir, this is not
a check? Or isn't that areal check? Right? Right? So
I get it. Yeah, it'sa lot of untethering. Yeah, lots

(41:21):
of untethering. But I'm telling youthough, having untethered from things I having
seen other people on telling everything,it is significant. It is palpable,
and it's like a whole another personwill have emerged. It's like birthing yourself
to a whole different paradigm of existence. So it's super cool. I'm super
excited for you. I mean,so if you think that you were able

(41:43):
to untether from that, like todaytomorrow would be like boom, We're off
to the moon. We're doing thesethings, or would you have probably more
clarity on what it is that you'regoing to be doing, Probably a combination
of both. And again I'm sayingthat intuitively, not because I know it
logically there's sign or evidence to knowthat, but because I have gone through,

(42:04):
as you just said, like redbirdsmore than once. I know that
once you get to the other side, like rapid, whatever you want is
possible and available to you, andclarity comes through so much more. So.
Yeah, I do believe intuitively thatthat is one hundred percent the case.
Yeah, And you know what,how cool is that? And is
like a lot of people will say, what do you mean intuitively and stuff

(42:24):
like that. Again, that's amuscle too, right, If you go
with your intuition, you trust yourintuition. After a few times, it's
like, oh this is kind offun. Yeah, I start to lean
into what's like the fear voice versuswhat is just where'd that idea come from?
It's not random? Right, thatthat is your intuition always got Yeah,

(42:45):
and I like that you said thatbecause there is I think random is
a in and of itself, iskind of a self sabotage or a bad
money They buy into the fact that, oh that was random, but is
it really a lot a coincidence?But is it really really? Yeah?
Right, you experienced it for areason. Right, what if? What
if everything that we were getting orreceiving is on purpose? What better?

(43:07):
And I love that you said thatearlier where you're talking about, well,
what don't we question in a differentway what if it wasn't an accent and
what if it was meant to belike that? You know, what if
this fear is supposed to be here? What am I going to do with
that? Yeah? I always sayI look at fear. I have like
a visual image of fear of youknow, on the plane the lights they

(43:29):
say light up in the case ofemergency, like it's like guiding me to
where I'm supposed to go. Yeah, no, totally. Oh that's a
really good analogy, you know.And and and now I'm looking at the
times like there's so many really goodnuggets that you and I have discussed,
and I feel like we can keeptalking to the Coyle's come home because there's
just so much stuff that's that's justopening up for you. But unfortunately we've

(43:51):
actually went when went over actually,but it's all so good, right,
So if you've been listening, you'vebeen like kind of like taking notes.
I hope you have been. Atanashad just dropped a whole bunch of gemstones
on that journey if you are justslightly a few steps behind where she's at
today and want to get to whereshe is. So Natana, here's the
thing. You probably resonate with alot of people who have been listening to

(44:13):
this podcast, and if they wantedto kind of connect with you, experience
you a little bit more, getto know more about you. What would
you say is the best way forthem to either connect with you or experience
what it is that you're all about. Yeah, I am primarily on Instagram
at the Bravo Life, and Ilove to talk to real people. So

(44:34):
send me a message. I sendvoice notes, like I know. Sometimes
we will follow someone and we kindof lurk in the backgrounds, like come
say hello, that's me. I'ma lurker. I'm like going, No,
I don't want to bother them.Yeah, no, it's not a
father, Come say hello. I'dlove to learn more about you. I
love the social aspect of social media. I'm actually connecting with real people.

(44:57):
So yeah, that's definitely where Iam, I have tons free resources like
doing my bio. I'm just dependingon where you are what you're looking for.
But let's have a chat, andif there's something that I can be
of service to you, I'm happyto And yeah, I'm just glad that
we got to connect today, andI hope this conversation is helpful. Yeah,
no, it absolutely is. Imean just I mean inspire me to
no end. It's just so inspiredto see more and more of you know,

(45:21):
I was having one of my episodesthat I launched the I released the
other day, was talking about theloneliness of this journey that you know,
you and I are both on,or many of us are on, and
it's not like there's any shortage ofpeople doing the same thing. We're just
so spread out because to emerge froma previous version of ourselves that means the
life that we had and the peoplearound us resonated with that previous version,

(45:45):
right, And so the more wecan have these types of conversations and be
able to let people know that,hey, reach out to us, because
that way you don't have to bealone in this journey, the easier it
is to not have to deal withthat loneliness of growth, expansion and success
and prosperity for people don't realize there'sthere's there's elements of that are there,
that's part of that journey. Soyeah, super cool. So they can

(46:08):
reach out to you on Instagram,Is there a particular um link or anything
that they can they can go toor it's just yeah, you can also
go to Natania Bravo dot com andif you want to check out there,
there's a few different things linked outthere and contact me there. But again,
what you're on Facebook, Instagram,I'm at the Bravo Life on all

(46:29):
platforms, and send me a messagesay hello, even if just to say
hello, I'd like to connect andsee how you're doing, what you're up
to learn more about you as well. Yeah, if if Natana inspired you
reach out and say hello, sayhey, I listened to your episode with
way super inspiring. And if youwant to do that, look at the
links in the description below because that'swhere you find it all. Natana,
thank you so much for making thetime. It was so so much more

(46:52):
than I expected to be. Notthat expected to be like that or anything
like that, but it was soenlightening and so inspiring to be able to
hear the level authenticity that you broughtto the table, and I could see
why you're as successful as you arebecause your audience, probably your clients absolutely
probably love you, you know,for being so real. You know,

(47:14):
yeah, I try. I reallybelieve in transparency and being your authentic self.
And you know, I think that'sall what we're all here to do
is show up as authentic self.So thank you for having me, and
thank you for authentically sharing and doingthe work that you're here to do.
I know this podcast and all thework that you're doing is transforming lines as
well, So thank you for havingme and letting me be part of that.

(47:34):
Yeah, no, I mean,that's that's all what we're here to
do, right, to stay onpurpose as best as we can despite our
human selves. All right, Somake sure you click on the links reach
out in Natanya. She loves socialize, she loves to connect, so make
sure you do that. Other thanthat, we'll see you guys in the
next episode. And that's it forthis episode. Thank you for listening,

(48:00):
because you listening is what inspires ourguests and me to continue doing what we
can to help untether and elevate morehuman beings to new heights of prosperous success.
Now, if what you heard todayinspired you to want to finally untether
from the bad money stories or chronicself sabotage behavior patterns that's been holding you

(48:20):
back, then you'll want to joinour exclusive, members only private podcast that
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