Episode 54 - “How You Want to be Remembered“ with Max Avery

People say that in a traditional sense, your typical 9 to 5 will give you the stability and security that you need. But what if it's not something you’re passionate about? Do you stay or take the risk into something more fulfilling, and something that will let you live out your life’s purpose?

Let’s find out what today’s guest, Max Avery, has to say about this tricky dilemma!

Max Avery, who is a nationally recognized entrepreneur, international trade consultant, politician, independent writer and contributor, talks to us about legacy building, why it’s important to tap into your true calling, and other thought-provoking discussions on technology, the hustle culture and politics.

Episode Highlights:

• Why it pays off to give up stability and security over a risk that you’re more passionate about
• Technology and the evolution of society
• Prosperity being a state of mind
• The art of legacy building
• What CDL Academy is all about
• R&R and how different it is for different types of people
• Max’s next big leap

Get to know him better!

• Visit Max’s website at maxavery.org
• Connect with Max on Instagram @realmaxavery
• Connect with Max on Facebook at Max Avery
• Connect with Max on LinkedIn at Max Avery

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Episode Transcript

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It's one of those that that youhave to have some synergy between the grind
mindset and you know, the hustleand the four am club and all,
you know, this type of thing, but at the same time put a
destination for what that means and whatyou're going to do with it, because
if you're not going to do somethingproductive and you know, I guess kind

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of legacy building is really where themindset needs to be is is how do
you want to be remembered? Andit's uh in in you know, in
Norwegian tradition, you know, inSkandinavian culture, um, they have a
concept called hamagnia, which is umit's it's your honor that is received through

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your bloodline's honor, and so it'syour responsibility as the bearer of your DNA
to at least maintain and hopefully improveupon your bloodline's homagnia. Hey, it's
way And you're listening to Untethered andProsperous, the podcast where we focus on
the two biggest things passionate, purposedriven entrepreneurs need to untether to become wildly

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prosperous and successfully happy. And thosetwo huge anchors are bad money stories and
chronic self sabotage. So what wedo is have real and inspiring conversations with
amazing entrepreneurs who have done just that. So get ready to get untethered and
get prosperous. Hey, it's Waite. Welcome to another episode of Untethered and

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Prosperous, the podcast, which isall about helping you becoming untethered from things
like bad money stories or chronic selfsabotage patterns so you can create a prosperous
life by your design. And onceagain we have an amazing guest that is
unique and not like most of theother guests we have on here because of
the different multiple paths that he's onin life right now. But then again

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maybe he is like that. Aren'tentrepreneurs all that same way? But anyway,
Max Avery is our guest today andhe is a native born and raised
Arkansen. I had to look upon how to actually pronounce it, and
that's actually Arkans in Arkansasian or Arkansas. And he is an entrepreneur, a
consultant, a commentator, and awriter. So we're going to have some

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fun today. He is a founderof CDL Academy. I'm not going to
give away what that is and alsocurrently serves as the vice chair for their
Arkansas District Export Council. So,without any further ado, let's find out
more about who this mysterious Max Averyis and just for today, he's actually

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going to take advantage of the currentclimate and the allergy season to present us
with a very sultry version of him. Max. Welcome to the show.
Hey, thanks for having me on. It's been interesting this past week.
So we have had about four weatherchanges from over one hundred degrees back down

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to sixty and pollen going crazy.So I'm in my h my secret Joan
Rivers channeling voice right now, buthave been getting yeah yeah, So it's
it's been, uh, it's beena little bit raspy. But I think
we're good and we're gonna we're gonnapush through this. So I apologize to
anyone out there having to listen tome sound like a super villain all day

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today, but we'll make it worse. No, I think you actually sound
okay. I think it's Joan Riversand Kathleen Turner and in a male version,
because you know, back in theday, remember kne she was quite
quite the vixen, you know,for a lot of people, you know,
so you romancing people love, thiswill be Yeah, this is a

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new stick, right, I mean, especially with what you're going to be
doing. But anyway, let's getthe party started before we dive in a
little bit more, because I youknow, I remember when we connected a
couple of weeks ago, the storiesyou started to share were really amazing.
I want to make sure that ouraudience has an opportunity to hear all about
it. But let's go ahead andset the framework, because you know,
everybody has a different definition of whatit means to become untethered, and you've

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you've created a quite the untethered lifestyledespite what you've gone through in life.
So I want to hear more aboutthat, and more importantly, how you
would define prosperity. So let's talkit with the untethered piece. What is
it for you? Max? Whatdoes it mean to become untethered? Aside
from changing your voice, you know, I think that the main thing that

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I see as being an untethered lifestyleis one that I get to wake up
and I get to dictate what myday is going to be to a certain
extent and do what I want todo and do what I feel is going
to actually make an impact and makea change in my world and the world
of those around me. And so, um, you know, I have
I have a lot of friends thatI grew up with that um are in
this this rut. It seems likethat even though they're making a ton of

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money, h you know, they'rethey're highly successful on paper, um,
they're not happy in what they're doing. And and they you know, they
still have to get up and punchthe clock and do this thing that is
not fulfilling to them. And there'snothing wrong with getting up and punching the
clock if that's your calling. ButI feel like there's so many people that
take the path of you know,security and safety and h and aren't willing

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to stick their neck out on arisk that way, and that that safety
that people you know, tend tocrave, whether it's maybe a defense mechanism
or just something that's trying to makethem, uh, you know, feel
like they're making the right decision,actually becomes the bondage and the shackles that
that are ultimately holding them back fromwhatever their greatness may be. And so

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um, you know, I don'tI don't really like to go to the
casino. But I guess I've kindof been a gambler and a lot of
the things that I've done because I'vejust taken the risk and you know,
anytime the opportunity comes up that says, yeah, this this feels right,
I've got the gut feeling. Uh, it's kind of just let's give it
a shot. And and most ofthe time it works out. Sometimes it

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doesn't. But when when you whenyou when you have those situations that it
doesn't work out, and you takeit on the chin. You know,
that's that's ultimately what we all mustdo, uh, you know, as
entrepreneurs, as business leaders or thoughtleaders or whatever you want to call what
this is. Uh, you know, it's always how many times you're willing
to get back up and invest yourselfoff and keep pushing forward and going towards

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whatever that goal is. And um, that's my main encouragement. I think
when I talk to a lot ofpeople is they just they feel like they're
in a good position. They don'twant to rock the boat, and they're
not willing to give up that securitythat they have to really go to the
next level. And that's that's reallywhat we all must do. It's like

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the right of passage part of it. So right now, a lot of
people will say that, you know, that type of lifestyle, that type
of approach to lifestyle. And Ilove what you said there about the bondage
and the shackles because I use almostthe same word, just not bondage.
I you shackles. Bondage sometimes asa weird interesting bondage can take a lot
of different directions. We have tobe very careful about that. One must

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be uh politically correct these days andbe hyper sensitive. Sure, but anyway,
Um, but y'all know there isno there is no safe word in
entrepreneurship. No, there isn't entrepreneurship. It'd be funny. I wouldn't be
surprised down there word of an entrepreneurship. Actually, in some cultures, in
some societies, entrepreneurship. I know, in my family, to a certain
degree, growing entrepreneurship was almost likea taboo. It was like, yeah,

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no, that's not what you're goingto be doing, right And and
so you and I are probably onthe same boat thinking that every human being
has the potential of great impact intheir own unique way, whether it be
um, you know, locally orglobally right, Um, and do you
would you say that it's a cultivatedperception that, oh, my purpose in

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life is just punched the clock.I get really good at punching the Well,
at some point you punch the clock, him up, the clock stops
right right. Yeah, it's it'ssomething that you know, I have way
too many people that I've seen inmy life that they have the idea in
their head of what they want todo, but it's always a i'll work

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on that tomorrow kind of procrastination thingthat way. And and like you said,
it's like, you know, growingup, my dad was very much
and is very much somebody that's justhe's a company man. You know,
get up, go to college,get your jobs, stay there, work
your butt off. You'll be fine. And that's that's his whole m o.
And that's how he lives his life, and that's that's how he will

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live the rest of his life.There will never be a moment that my
dad calls me and said, Ihad this great idea, I'm gonna start
this business, right And so Idon't know what inspired me to be the
crazy person and just deviate from thatentirely. Um, but you know,
there's there's always whatever triggers that happenedthroughout you know, our childhood maybe and
kind of leave it down a certainpath to start taking those risks and doing
that. But that's that's really whereI ended up. And um, and

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I think that that mentoring people.I try to stay pretty active, um,
you know, mentoring younger folks comingin from the local charter schools and
the universities and try to get involvedin those from the fact that selfishly,
U it helps me stay sharp whenI'm when I'm able to kind of teach
and pass along knowledge or you know, get them in the right circles because

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I'm having to think about the samethings that I'm trying to tell them.
Um. But that's that's one ofthe main things that I try to impart
on people because a lot of timesthey'll come to my office for the first
time and want to kind of learnwhat I've got going on, and they've
got this whole plan about like,you know, I've got this setup.
I took my act, I'm goingto this college and I'm going to do
X, Y and Z, andI'm like that's not gonna work, Like

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that's not that's not what you wantto do for who you're trying to be,
and if and if that's the paththat you are going to take,
you're interning with the wrong guy,because I'm gonna I'm gonna talk to you
out of it one way or another, right exactly. And I can I
can call in several of my internsright now they're like, yeah, I'm
doing something totally different than what Ithought, right. But at the end
of the day, I feel likethat is that is something that um,

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you know through through your show andyou know, I've spent some time reading
some of your stuff, and UM, a lot of that is just building
that mindset, uh and kind oflike learning those behaviors to make you fall
into the right groove of becoming yourbetter self to serve your real purpose that
way. Yeah, absolutely, youknow. And it's interesting because we can't

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even fault our parents generation, youknow, because you know that generation was
was guided to operate and work ina way to survive like the Great Depression,
to survive the the volatility in inthe evolving economy that you know the
world was actually going through. AndI think that has just carried over.

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I think the challenges how do wethen evolve a you know, away from
that thinking that you know, thewhole concept of retirement, which was that
was not even a concept before beforethe Great Depression. It only came as
a result of the Great Depression,right, And now we're I think we're
we're we're we're abundant enough, we'reprosperous enough as a as a race,

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as a as a human race,that we don't need to be thinking that
way anymore. I think it's likea it's like a deprecative thought process.
I mean, I don't know ifif if that's if that's something that you
know, you resonate with or not. But that's what I basically what you
were saying with there when you youreminded me of that. No, I
do I think that, you know, like you're saying, it's it's become

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you know, such a survival skillmentality for people, yeah, that were
coming out of that era. Um, but it's it's one of those that
we have to realize that, uh, you know, I'm thirty six,
I'll be thirty seven here in afew months, and and it's one of
those that that the world that wegrew up in is not the world that
exists anymore at all, and evenmore so separation from our parents generation and

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everything else like that. And we'rewe're getting into a place that, um,
that technology has replaced so many thingsin our society that if people are
not willing to adapt their mindset theyare, they are ultimately going to be
left behind. And it's just thatthis is the natural evolution of things.
It's the same way that you know, three thousand years ago, life looked

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a lot different than it does today. Um, we have to realize that
we're moving into not just another decade, not just another century, but we're
moving into a whole other era ofyou know, human civilization. And I
think that by getting in this mindsetof uh, you know, maximizing your
potential for what your true calling is, not just for whatever, h you

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know, whatever physical skill you havethat that you know comes naturally to you
to break rocks or fill the boxor wipe the windshield down or whatever the
case may be. Um, youknow, there's so many things that people
have gifts or that they just haven'tfelt the confidence or the ability or just

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really know where where to apply thatniche too. But thankfully, through through
technology becoming the way that it iswith you know, the connectivity of the
Internet and social media and and allof these resources, is that you're seeing
a lot of people that otherwise mightnot have, you know, necessarily seeing
social skills to get out and about, but they're able to learn, um

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where they fit in and find away to apply that in a much more
unique way than it would have everbeen possible before. And so it's really
exciting to kind of witness um,you know, what that case may be.
And that's you know, kind ofone of the things that going I
don't know if I'm jumping ahead toofar, but one of the things that

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that has really been a wow forme in starting CDL Academy is yes,
we're providing a skill, and yeswe're providing a job, and it's not
something that's necessarily um, you know, a high level skill set, but
we have seen a lot of ourstudents, after they get through a program

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be able to shift into a positionthat they kind of adapt whatever success they
have had into filling a larger roleand building a better life in the future.
And so we can talk about thatnow and I can kind of go
into explaining what all we do ifyou want to I don't know if you're
you're ready to get there. Well, I mean it's a it's a great
segue to the next question, becausethat's what you do. You're helping create

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more prosperous lives for those that choosethat path at your academy than you know.
Now it's it's becoming this like danglinglike like hook, like wait,
what is this academy? But let'slet's first get that definition of what it
means to be or what it meansto have a prosperous life, because even
that, more so than the untetheredpiece, is so much more subjective as
everybody right as their own unique definitionor at least should anyway, of what

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it means to be prosperous. Sofor you, I think the audience would
love to know, how would youdefine Max's prosperous life? You know,
what would that? What would thatbe to me? You know, it's
it sounds simple, but it's justyou know, your your health is your
wealth in a lot of ways,and having good friends, good company,

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and feeling like you have a purposewhile having your needs met is really the
ultimate position. Is because you know, you can have an infinite number of
cool cars, and boats in abig house and everything else like that.
But it is very easy to havethose material things and feel very empty if
you do not have some type ofpurpose driven existence. Now that's not to

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say that I don't enjoy really coolstuff, and I I you know,
I have some cool things. I'vebeen very blessed in my life to to
you know, go cool places andhave a cool home and everything else like
that. But um, at theend of the day, where I find
my happiness is just as well,you know, sitting in the lobby of

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a fast food restaurant with some ofmy best friends, uh, you know,
spending that time and talking about whatgreat thing we're going to go do
to uh, you know, helpother people get on the right path for
themselves. And it's not it's notnecessarily a destination. I don't feel like
there's no there's no X you canput on the map for what prosperity is.

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So much as prosperity is is astate of mind. Um. And
and you know maybe that's two zinfor some people, but state yeah,
yeah, And so I'm not gonnasay, you know, don't go chase
money, don't do anything like yes, go go get the bag, you
know, like, I'm happy foryou rocking the ap watch, like we

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can talk about how cool that is. But at the same time, know
know that whatever you are doing,even if it's just it's your grinding right
now to get to that point,because sometimes that's part of the process is
that you have to do you haveto do some things you don't want to
do necessarily to get to that nextstep when you're you know, when you're

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training in the gym, no onewants to sit there and do a million
reps with you know, the dumbbellsto get to get their biceps to go
to the right size or something likethat. But once you start seeing the
progress and getting into the right areawith it, it's like, man,
this is really awesome and it's paidoff. So it's one of those that
you have to have some synergy betweenthe grind mindset and you know, the

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hustle and the four am club andall you you know, this type of
thing, but at the same timeput a destination for what that means and
what you're going to do with it, because if you're not going to do
something productive and you know, Iguess kind of legacy building is really where
the mindset needs to be is ishow do you want to be remembered?

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And it's uh in in you know, in Norwegian tradition, you know,
in skin Dinavian culture, UM,they have a concept called hamannia, which
is um, it's it's your honorthat is received through your bloodline's honor.
And so it's your responsibility as thebearer of your DNA to at least maintain

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and hopefully improve upon your bloodline's hamannia. So UM, I think that's something
that that as an ancient tradition,UH is something that that a lot of
people have gotten away from in things. And it seems like that the honor
system and a lot of cultures aroundthe world UH used to mean a lot

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more than it does today. ButI think that's something that we're going to
start seeing comeback. There's there's alot of spaces for you know, the
masculinity revival and the family mindset andUM there's my buddy Will has has a
podcast UM called Renaissance of Men.I don't know if you mind me plugging
that, but I'm going to,I guess because it's too late. But
he talks a lot about you know, the redevelopment of the family unit and

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you know, purpose driven lifestyle andstuff like that, and it's it's something
that I think our culture is kindof yearning for, but there's not been
a lot of direction in that spaceyet. But I'm starting to see the
indicators that this is the next kindof transition into what people are wanting.
Is that we've gotten away from thehyper materialistic you know, late eighties,

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early nineties, and now we're we'rekind of going back into this groove of
uh, you know, more ofa family legacy, purpose driven lifestyle.
And I think that's more rewarding fora lot of people, because if you're
ninety five years old, does itreally matter that you have a new invented

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door in the driveway so much asyou have, you know, people that
are going to talk well about youand remember you well and appreciate the additions
you have brought into their life toget them into the position that they're in.
And I think anyone can get torecognize that when you really think about
it. Yeah, I think Ithink the big shift is that again it

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comes to like the evolution of societiesand cultures. Right, we see evolution
of technology as an easy thing tokind of wrap our heads around. But
when it comes to human beings,cultures and societies and families and generations also
evolve. And I think, whathas what has been necessitated or has been
demanded of our humanity as a whole? Is that? Yeah, that honor

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system of honoring your bloodline is nowbecause we're intermixing so much that the shift
is more so towards the entirety ofour existence. How do we propagate the
how do we become better versions fromone generation of humanity to another generation of

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humanity? Right? And I thinkI think what you're saying is spot on
in a sense that, yeah,something has been missing, and I think
the search has been well, whatis that evolution of that previous mentality or
that previous um kind of thinking ofyou know, the bloodline? Right?
Since you know, we're becoming moreand more blended, so to speak,

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as the world continues to get closerand smaller right than um, all of
a sudden, do old cultures andsocietal rules still apply or does is it
time to for example, is ittime to upgrade the constitution? It's a
time to upgrade, like you know, the institutions that sure helped us get
to where we are today, butmay not necessarily be relevant to what happens

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later on. Right, So there'salways going to be you know, the
concept um, you know of ofyou know, some type of national heritage
and historical heritage and stuff like that. But like you said, you know,
I think that I'd say probably atleast half of my friends are somewhat
biracial in some sense. You know, they're they're Hispanic and Caucasian or African

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American and Caucasian or African American andAsian or something. And so as that
continues to perpetuate, it's you know, it's harder and harder to kind of
dial down to what your cultural heritageis because you've got a couple and and
then in that in in you know, we can jump on a flight and

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you know, be in Tokyo tonight. Uh. You know, it's very
easy for us to adapt other piecesof other cultures that are around the world
from us into our culture because wecan go somewhere tomorrow and be like,
oh, yeah, you know,I I saw this thing in Switzerland that
was really cool. Let's do thathere and exactly, and so, um,
there's not these you know, isolatingcultural pockets anymore, which is something

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that that is kind of sad toa point because you know, even when
I was younger, uh, youknow, I remember when I did travel
with my family or whatever is thatyou would go to these places and it
was you know, strange, exoticlocations and it was so unique. And
now there are still elements of thatin a lot of places that I travel
to, but there's become a lotmore you know, homogenized society on a

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global level. Uh. And sothat's not something we're going to stop,
you know, there's not there's notgoing to be a piece that rolls back
the clock and says like, oh, we're not doing that anymore, you
know, like you're only allowed tohave McDonald's in the United States, Like
that's not right. So, um, it's one of those that that I
think that we have to prioritize ourdevelopment in our humanity because technology is becoming

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so smart towards sentience that the computeris going to be better at a lot
of stuff. And so I alwayslike to say to play to your strengths
in any thing that you do.There are things that I know how to
I can change my own oil I'mnot a mechanic. I'm probably not going
to change my oil unless I absolutelyhave to. It's not it's not something

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that I am essentially, you know, the best in the world that I'm
going to take it to the guythat's the best in the world to do
that. And so what are weas humans best at doing is being human?
So we need to we need toplay to our strengths as humans and
leave the computer AI, you know, sort of tasks that you're going to
outperform us at and not try tofight it so much. We just need

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to make sure that we're investing inourselves in the right direction. Yeah,
and you know, so need tobe sad about that. It's interesting that
you said, you know, it'skind of sad, and it is kind
of sad that we're losing, butat the same time, it's a blending
of everything so that everything becomes thenorm. And so this is this is
when we see what all the scifi you know, shows have been saying.
It's like, this is when humanbeings start to again be human,

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be curious, be adaptable, beefand then go out into the cosmos,
right, And that's what And thenat that point then now the exploration of
different alien cultures becomes an exotic thing. It's like, oh, how do
we do that type of thing?Or at this point, we can just
go on the ocean because there's alot down there too, So exactly,

(25:17):
go find go find the Lockness monster, go go watch the abyss and you
know, just like be terrified forever, right and say, oh, you
guys have been under us the wholetime. Okay, right, all right,
James Cameron like scarred me from theocean as a child. You know,
oar someone that's thirty six there,I thought you were my age,

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but some are someone that's thirty sixthirty some are you you. You make
a lot of references that are frommy generations, which is really fascinating.
Here's the thing is, my parentsdid not do a good job of filtering
me from anything. So it's soI was like watching movies and TV shows
at a very young age that Ishouldn't have no business watching. But I

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guess it heard me for a harshworld. I don't know, but it
maybe maybe, yeah, But itactually made you that much more diverse and
a broader spectrum of understanding of theages, if you will. So,
but but let's talk about what you'redoing now for this prosperous life that you've
created for yourself and now are actuallyhelping other people do well. Let's talk

(26:22):
about CDL Academy. Let's talk abouthow you got there, and let's just
give us the story of a CDLaccademy, how it all came to be.
So, um, what what CDLAcademy is. We are essentially a
truck truck driver training institution to getyour driver's license to become a professional truck

(26:45):
driver or a professional bus driver orwhatever the case may be. The FMCSA
has better regulations that require a safetytraining course that has behind the wheel training
and classroom training and everything else.Those federal regulations just now went into effect
in the recent year, and soit's been something that over the years.

(27:10):
I have a lot of friends thatwork in the trucking industry. I live
in Fort Smith, Arkansas, andthere's we have some large trucking and logistics
companies here, so there's there's alot of people in the city that work
for one of the major carriers.And you're out getting getting brunched, getting
dinner, talking to your friends,and it was always coming up as I
can't find drivers or oh man,I had a driver quit. I don't

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know how I'm going to replace thembecause I can't find anybody and whatever.
And so finally I just was like, what's the deal, Like it's you
know, a lot of people havedriver's licenses, likewise, this an issue,
and so, you know, Istarted looking into it and learned that
there really wasn't a lot of drivertraining programs around and there was not anywhere

(27:53):
in the area that was prepared andready to jump into that space when those
new federal regulations did roll out officially, which was coming up rapidly. Uh.
And so it was something that thatI just kind of partnered with a
few other guys that I knew here, um my former accountant, uh,
you know, kind of runs alot of the day to day things.

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Uh. And and I have afriend named Billy Pemberton that he um,
he was a truck driver since hewas a teenager with his dad and had
driven for a long time, andhe had worked for a couple of carriers
as well, and in the officeand the shop and kind of did the
whole all encompassing everything in truck drivingexperience and uh. In between the three

(28:36):
of us. UM we formed acompany to start training people and get drivers
you know, through the program,get them on the road, and start
placing them with carriers. And soit really just started out as like,
hey, I think this is agood business idea. UM, we can
we can fill a need, getpeople into a good paying job, you
know, take care of that partof it. Whatever. And as time

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went on, it became apparent thatwe were starting to have you know a
lot of different organizations reach out tous or you know, we started showing
up at the same meetings for tryingto find students and having the conversation is
that the truck driving industry will hirepeople with uh, you know, lack

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of work history, they will hirepeople with possible criminal record, they will
hire people you know, with justyou know, a series of other complicated
issues that might be keeping them outof getting into a career. And and
so not that the unemployment rate inour city is incredibly high, but it
was something that that is an issue, and the jobs that we are placing

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people into at minimum is above themedian income for our area. And it's
a four week program to get themtrained and into a job, and they're
on the road and making money prettyquick. And so the real reward that
we've experienced with the this is UH, there's a couple of big drivers.

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United Way has been has been greatto partner with, the Arkansas Department of
Workforce Services has been great to workwith, and and we're heavily involved with
an organization based out of Little Rockthat's called Project Restore Hope that was started
by a gentleman named Paul chapman Um. He's he's also an old I'll Tell

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employee like myself for anyone that rememberswhen cell phones were still sold on to
the ill Tell brand, which isnot part of the Horizon um. But
Paul Paul started this organization for theprimary purpose of reducing recidivism and and given
people a path forward. And throughworking with Paul and Ready Rule, who

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who is one of the directors forthat organization, we have really brought a
lot of people in UH that thatreally didn't feel like they had an opportunity
to get back on their field.And it's really rewarding seeing people that come
out of homelessness, that come outof incarceration to get into a program they

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don't feel like they have any chanceto be, you know, live a
normal life now because whatever it happened, and we're able to get them trained,
to get them into a job.They're they're making good money, they
have benefits, they feel like areal member of society, and you know,
they're bringing home a significant income andthen seeing them a year later being

(31:29):
able to come back and they're justthey're a different person than when they were
there in the classroom the first time. And and it's it's that that thing
that I tell people all the timeis I'm like, look, you don't
have to do this forever. It'snot even something that you have to to
continue being a truck driver for ahundred years. It's you know, you
go out on the road, makea good living, you know, save

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up some money, and while you'vegot all that windshield time, listen to
podcasts, uh, you know,think about your ideas and development work.
You know. Yeah, yeah,I mean yeah you can. You can.
You can have that that kind ofum, you know, time and
ability while you're sitting there, youknow, driving ten thousand miles getting paid

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to come up with what that nextstep is and really kind of discover what
that calling might be. And soif that calling is that you just want
to drive a truck and you enjoythat, and you you recognize that,
hey, this is an important joband I'm helping people by making sure that
their stuff gets there, and Ilove what I do. Great. But
if you want to do that fora couple of years and say, you
know, I have this great ideafor how I'm going to help, you

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know, stop people from dumping dogs, and this is how we're gonna,
you know, stop stop this byopening this animal shelter and making sure they
get placed in the right place orwhatever. That's even better to me is
that that they had time to kindof think about it, and now they're
in a position that they might beable to do it because they have they
have their life stable, they havesome money set aside. They can flesh

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out the idea and build that.And I think that that it's really difficult
for people to get into that nextstep and move into um what they're calling
and you know, even understand whatthat that level of prosperity might be when
they are still in survival. Yeah. I love what you said there too,
because, um, I think alot of the you know, somebody

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listening to this will say, well, you know, if they if they
you know, made some mistakes inthe life and they're coming out of jail
and whatever the case may be,blah blah blah. You know what,
how does rest a society feels safe? And I love the piece that you
mentioned there about built into driving theseendless I mean it's a very solitary type
of journey, if you will,being a truck driver, and I myself

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have you know, doing long roaches. I find myself doing getting really really
and I think you as well getreally introspective on life and everything that's you
know, because it's almost meditative inits own sense. Right you're driving,
You're seeing this thing over and overagain. It's like repetitive and until the
point where it allows the human beingto naturally drop into almost like a hypnotic

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state of existence where you're thinking aboutthings, right. And I love that
you mentioned that because I think thatit will answer a lot of the questions
or concerns that people may have aboutthinking about you. It's not like people
don't want to help those that havemade some mistakes in their lives. And
yet at the same time, it'slike built into this career is lots of

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alone time to really think about thingsand to take a more introspective approach.
Now, obviously not everybody's going totake advantage of that, right, and
then you know there are people whohave their self sabotage patterns and it kicks
up and then we handle it aswe go. Right in the meantime,
those that do, though, takeadvantage of that. It's a great sounds
like it's a great opportunity. Howlong ago did you guys start this was

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this conversation started where you kick thingsoff? How long has the CDL been
around? We're getting ready to moveinto our fourth year now that's it year,
so it's still it's still relatively new. We have three locations now,
um we're in We're in Fort Smith, which is here where I am.
We have one in Little Rock,which is about a two hour drive,
and then one in Searcy, Arkansas, which if you follow UFC you'll know

(35:15):
Bryce Mitchell thug nasty. That isso I did reach out to his agent.
He is not going to be availableto come to our to our our
Chamber of Commerce ribbon cutting in theceremony that we have here coming up.
It was it was it was agood step Sarcy's a really good fit for

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us. Uh and so we've we'vehad a lot of good success there already,
and that one's only been open liketwo months now. I think that's
phenomenal because it's um in that shortperiod of time, you're the business is
doing multiple millions every single year interms of annual revenue. And so for
anybody as wondering as like, waita minute, and it's such a true

(35:59):
entrepreneurial like why is this even aproblem? Let's fix it? Right?
And then here you are, right, and then you're getting handsomely rewarded and
and and your paining it forward inso many different ways, which is why
I love having you on this showbecause it helps people kind of really see

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how not only And here's a questionthat I have for you, is that
in that relative short period of time, you're taking the business to upwards a
three point five million a year inannual revenues and stuff like that. Obviously
you as a human being along withthe partner something like that, but let's
talk about you had to untether yourselffrom some of the old school type of
thinking, right, even though itwas your idea think, hey, let's

(36:39):
fix this that's my creator. ButI'm I'm pretty sure, like as every
entrepreneur goes through with new anything,big new endeavor, that there are some
things you had to untether from inorder to really step into the bigness of
this. You know, I wentthrough, um, most of my twenties,
I worked for a distribution. Iwas a friend of mine that owned

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it, and you know, Iwas really happy and stable and had a
good day to day operation there.I wasn't, you know, relatively low
stress. I was in charge ofyou know a lot of the day to
day activity. But it was oneof those that I was just like,
I'm not moving the needle for myselfhere. And I went through that for

(37:22):
a while, and I had todo a lot of that you know kind
of self talk shadow work stuff tosay like what is what is this and
where am I going? And andis this what I want to be doing?
And I basically set myself a deadlineand said, I want to be
able to have you know, anincome of X, and I want to
be able to have this you knowthis many different projects in the work in

(37:45):
the works right now, or I'mgonna cut and I'm gonna do something different,
and I basically just kind of circledthe date on the calendar and said
this is this is where we're gonnahave to go, and I just I
plugged along. That was I hadthat conversation one with myself, I think
when I was twenty six, andI said, if we're not there and
I haven't had time to get thisgoing on the side, by the time

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I'm a month before turning thirty,you know, we're here, we go,
and we're gonna make it work.And so I don't know if that's
like some kind of strange like Saturnreturn effect or like whatever's going on,
but it's um, it's something thatyou know, I didn't want to let
myself get too comfortable. And Ithink that growing up, you know,

(38:30):
you can always get into different childhoodstories and and everything else. But it's
like I've always been in a perpetualstate of having to have some sort of
adversity to feel eddies, if thatmakes sense. If I start getting too
comfortable, it makes me uncomfortable.And so I think it's like I start

(38:51):
looking over my shoulder as to likewhat's going to go wrong, you know,
And and I don't really I don'treally have like a pessimistic approach about
it like that, because I havesome friends that are always kind of just,
you know, oh, this istoo good to be true type of
thing about everything, and it's not. It's not like that for me.
But I kind of had to understandat some point. It took me a

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while to get there that I wascreating these messes for myself to feel like
myself because it makes me feel aliveagain, to solve the problem and be
the hero and save the day,even if I'm the only character in the
story. And so that was reallyreally destructive until I realized that was the

(39:37):
game I was playing with myself.Yeah. And then once I kind of
had that that realization of Okay,I'm just being manic because things are going
well right now. I don't needto go screw everything up in my life
to feel good about things, isthat I can still have those types of
moments and say like okay and takeyou know, kind of like an educated

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as to what the next step isgoing to be and see if this is
going to be a good decision ornot. And so in doing that,
I've learned to kind of slow downmy leaps into things. But I'm still
willing to leap into things. Ijust have to I have to find that
balance of kind of assessing what mytrue reasoning is for making a decision into

(40:22):
the next venture or get involved inthe next organization, or you know,
launching a whole other division in acompany, or whatever the case may be,
and not you know, not justmaking these dramatic brushstrokes of like,
yeah, this is what we're doingtoday, you guys, don't worry about
it. I already decided and andthen everyone else is just kind of left
to pick up pieces. And so, you know, I still say,

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really really involved in a lot ofother things, probably to my detriment still,
but but I like to make surethat anything I'm committing to is still
something that I feel I am atleast producing at you know, a top
performer level, because I'm not wantingto take on the mantle of any role

(41:07):
if I don't think I can goin there and crush it, and if
I feel like there is a doubtin that, then that is something that
I'll say, you know, Iappreciate the opportunity, but I can't take
that on right now, or youknow, I might just hand it off
to somebody and you know, Ihave plenty of friends that love a good
opportunity, and they're just not They'renot always in the same rings that I
am with with different chances, andI'm you can ask any of my friends

(41:30):
about the random stuff I call themand be like, hey, you know,
I don't have time for this,but I think this is a really
cool thing if you want to maybecall this guy and and and try to
just pay it forward that way.And I mean, even in doing that,
I don't I have found that thatselfishly, that's been a really rewarding
thing. Is because I pass onrandom bits of things as a connector,

(41:52):
I guess to people and ends upcoming back and I end up, you
know, getting some kind of weirdbenefit in the end that I'm just I'm
really just trying to dodge the bulletof having more responsibility. But yeah,
let's the whole gift to get typeof like a circumstand right, And as
long as you're not trying to doit, it works out really well.
It's like pithing and everything that wedo. When you do it with the

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with the intention of passing it,passing it forward or paying it forward or
doing that the buy product more oftenthan not universally, is about continued support
for why you're here. You know, I love that you shared that because
it's it's it's a perfect example ofthat second promponent outside of the bad money.
So it is the chronic self sabotage. And you know what I found

(42:35):
in a lot of our students andclients is that you know that chronic self
sabotage kicks up and it almost oftentimesis a derivative of that gotta work hard
to justify your success. So ifit's too easy or it's like you know,
you're it's flowing too well, well, let's let's let's shake things up.
Let's rock the boat a little bitso I can work hard again.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Andyou got to you gotta control that otherwise

(42:57):
you're gonna find out that the boatsat the bottom of the ocean pretty quick.
So right, right, yeah,And I think it's about I'm tethering
from those stories right that that areare justifying that your experiences and things that
you grew up with. You know, if you and I both have that
the old school mentality, corporate workup to climb up the ladder type of
thing, and a lot of thatis like you're trading your hard work for

(43:20):
the salary that you're getting paid,right, yeah, so yeah, yeah,
the time that we have is ourultimate resource, and you know,
you really need to make sure thatyou're spending that time wisely. And I
know that just sounds like such aclicheap thing to say, but like once
you really kind of understand what thatmeans, and you're putting your hours into
something that you enjoy. Because Ihave people all the time that will will

(43:43):
try to intervene and you know,say, hey, you don't need to
work so much. You need totake some time for yourself and you need
to enjoy what you're doing, andyou know, why don't you, Why
don't you take some time off?And my thing is my work is my
hobby on so many levels that I'mhaving fun. I don't want to quote.
I like what I do. Ilike, you know, making content

(44:05):
for things. I like. Ilike writing, I like putting commentary on
stuff. I like helping other companiesgrow their business and seeing them succeed.
And that's that's a hobby to me. It's not something that I'm trying to
do just to you know, grindand and you know, here's my success.
Look at it. It's just likenot, this is fun. And

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and you know, no one,no one would judge me that way if
I was, you know, justgrinding playing Call of Duty, it would
be like, oh, we're alwaysjust taking some time off and you know,
he got all the school unlocks orwhatever. But um, you know
I am still willing to do that. Right when the next when the next
modern warfare comes out, I willspend a few hours on there. But

(44:46):
at the end of the day,I don't I don't get done with,
you know, having a really goodkill death ratio and being like, man,
I change the world. And it'sabout living on purpose, right,
It's about choosing to live on purposeversus I mean, at the end of
the day, we're still human.I like a good video game here and
there, right, And you know, I actually used to be really good

(45:07):
friends with the people over Activision stufflike that, and we used to go
work out in the gym right nextdoor to Activision, and um, Sammy,
the guy who used to lead thewhole project for Call of Duty,
was always there working out. Thefunny thing is that guy comes in for
a little bit, then goes backto the dungeon of programming coding. But
he only works out one exercise atleast, that's all I've ever seen him

(45:27):
do. So every time I seehim in the gym, he's working out
chess. And that's it. Isit? That's it for the amount of
chess workout that you do. I'msurprised you don't have a chest that's bigger
than your I was like, yeah, no other workout, so that's all
had time for. I was like, really, maybe switch it up,
maybe work a back or something likethat. He gets spread up, spread

(45:50):
out the training a little bit,and you'll start seeing more benefits in the
long run and everything else to exactly. But you know, there's something to
be said about people who have thatvery very narrow focus. And that's where
the geniuses kind of thrived. Theyhave that narrow focus. They just need
to surround themselves with people that canhelp see the other parts that they need
to be doing right. Yeah,and and and that's the on the flip
side of that is that I thinkthat I also see, um, I

(46:15):
see a lot of people that arein the community that you know, want
to try to shame people that aretaking time to enjoy themselves. In something,
right, I think, I think, right, yeah, yeah,
And it's like, you know,there's there's got to be a balance with
that, and you have to findwhatever works to kind of reset your brain
and let you have that creative energyto get in that flow state, because

(46:37):
you know, for me, it'snot going to be the same as what
it is for you. Some peoplewant to go sit on the beach and
just stare the water, you know, and that's that's going to help them
come back to work ten times stronger. And so I don't want to judge
somebody for that's what they need todo to decompress and get their thoughts together,
because that may really be a necessarypart of their mental state to make

(46:58):
that happen. And I think alot of people get in this this this
you know, Oh, if you'renot getting up and going to the gym,
you know, before the sun's up, then you know you're not you're
not hustling hard enough. And I'mjust like, I'm just gonna go at
seven pm. I don't really care, you know, I guess whatever it's,
I'm getting it in. And soum that that's the thing to me
is that I you know, Ilove being competitive and I respect the nature

(47:22):
of you know, trying to bebetter and and you know, looking at
your peers and outperforming them. Butat the same time, I feel like
there's a lot of people that thatjust have this animosity for some reason and
it's just to make instant no,And to me, that's a waste of
energy. Is like, why amI going to spend time getting frustrated talking
down to other people? It's um, it's always something that I'd rather I'd

(47:45):
rather give them a hand up andsay, you know, hey, let's
do this together and play off eachother's strengths. And yeah, you want
to just sit in the sauna foran hour and a half while I'm in
here, you know, writing stuff, And that's cool. I don't really
care so right, I mean like, when you're you have a Porsche,
you race against other Porsches, andbeing competitive with another Porsche is totally fine.
But if you sit there and tryto judge a prius for not being

(48:08):
able to keep up with you,right, right, and if you're trying
to raise more competitively, yeah,it's pointless. And and I think I
think that's what you know a lotof And I love that you brought that
up because part of what a lotof what we do on our end is
to help people see other people objectivelythat way, to be able to break
down the walls of misunderstanding by reallytruly honoring the uniqueness. And it's so

(48:31):
intelligent that you've you've into that intelligenceof yes, you're right, there are
there absolutely are people who recharge justby staring at the water and hanging out
with nature, right, and thereare those who actually don't need that.
And it's it's so cool that youmentioned that, because I wish more people
could realize that that's that's the verydefinition of truly honoring that other human being

(48:55):
without judgment, which will then openup the possibility for us to all kind
of harmonize better in a more empoweringway. Right, those those unique traits
that we all have, um,you know, is what makes us human.
And that's that's that's the whole pointin being different and not being the
AI, Because if we all likedthe same thing and I'll operated the same

(49:17):
same way, it wouldn't be sointeresting. No, No, I may
be a computer to the point we'dall what would be the point I have
friends. Um, my friend AlexTaylor, she is a professional drag racer,
and pretty much everything of her wholelife is built around drag racing.
And that's cool every once in awhile, and I love going, you

(49:39):
know, checking it out and lookingat her cars and everything else like that.
But that's she lives, eats andbreeds drag racing's show. She's racing
herself doing everything else. And youlook at that from the outside and it's
just like, you know, what, what she's doing during the day that
I have zero interest in is reallyher motivation to do what she does and

(50:04):
performs well at and um. AndI think that a lot of people just
need to understand that just because thisguy is really into basketball doesn't mean that
he's an idiot. Just because thisguy's really into video games doesn't mean that
he's an idiot. It's like,you have to respect those those mundane,
nerdy as nerdy as they may behobbies that we all have. I played

(50:25):
a request dedicated for six years ofmy god and I think, you know,
I wouldn't say that it made mea better person, um, but
it definitely was a good way forme to decompress and get my thoughts together.
And and that was that was apart of my personality for a long

(50:46):
time was just you know, whenI had free time, I'd go on
there and I'd jump on my characterand raid for a while and do whatever
else. And from from the outside, you know, there were people that
would look at that and be like, you're just wasting your time, Like
what are you doing, And it'slike, I'm really kind of getting into
my mentality to have my peak performancelater on, you know, the next

(51:06):
day, getting yourself a break anddecompress from the day, from this life.
And you know, I think Ithink that's to make those moments.
Yeah, I think there's something tobe said about that in terms of the
MMO part RPGs is that a lotof people don't realize a lot of people
use that as a way to kindof disengage, to re engage versus escapism.
So there's a fine line right thereare obviously they're definitely people who will

(51:29):
use it to escape altogether. ButI think those that like you and I
would be would do is to disengage, to re engage and perhaps gain a
new perspective, because especially in thosetypes of games, you get to interact
with other human beings, but ina different context, and so there's all
these different types of things that weget to see now like as like on
like on fortune. Yeah, exactly, it's a whole different context. That's

(51:53):
a whole different But anyway, youknow, Max, I knew we were
going to run out of time becauseand maybe I preordained this. And there
is one more question that I wouldlike to ask to make sure that we
help people understand that this is notit for you. I mean, what's

(52:14):
the next thing for you? What'sthe next big leap and more importantly,
what's the next big untethering that needsto happen in order for that next leap
to become a reality. So um, I am currently in the process of
seeking public office to be state representativein Arkansas. It's District forty nine,

(52:37):
which is North Fort Smith. It'spretty much the It's a very very dense
district. It's one of the mostu racially and economically and you know,
just all across the board diverse districtsin the state. I feel like it
has been under serviced for a longtime. And that's that's something that it

(52:58):
took a long process of talking aboutit, praying about it, trying to
figure out if this was the rightstep, you know, with everything else
that I have juggling kind of likeI said, I wanted to make sure
that I could perform it well.And uh, and we've taken the leap
and I'm on the ticket. Sowe'll see if that's you know, the
voters can decide if it's the nextbig step for me or not. But
um, I think that the biggestuntethering that's going to have to happen with

(53:20):
that is the process of you know, being in the legislature for the state
is you have to be in inLittle Rock. It's a whole other city,
uh, you know, for fora session, for you know,
committee meetings, for all these eventsand everything else. And it's not something
that I can just drive there inthe morning. Uh you know, It's
it's a two to two and ahalf hour drive and so by I'll have

(53:45):
you could it would be a lot. Yeah, I would. I would
have to go back and get thepriests to be able to afford it.
But um I uh, I wouldneed uh to really you know, it's
it's going to be a big stepto to get out of my comfort zone
of my daily routine and my homeand my gin and all of these things.

(54:07):
Because I'm a very structure based persons. For as unstructured as I sound,
I have my own method to mymadness of like, Okay, this
is what I'm going to do today. And that's I can tell right now
that is going to be a massive, massive culture shock to me to get
into that next step. And soI've kind of been been going through the

(54:29):
mental preparation of how I'm going tomake all this work. But I think
it'll be good because it's it's somethingthat I've never really lived in two places
at the same time before, andso I think it's going to be a
lot of routine breaking and adaptation toget to that point. And some people
can master that, and I've seenit done very well, and I look

(54:51):
forward to the day that I cansay that I can as well. I'm
sure it's not going to be aneasy transition where I'm gonna be like,
oh no, I got to gobuy a phone charger, I left it
back in Fort Smith or something likethat. But um, just you know,
all the strange nuances of it.But I think that that's that's really
going to be. It is thatI have always been, despite whatever level
of instability I've had. I've alwaysfound a way to find myself at least

(55:15):
a place that this is this ismy you know, one spot that I
can go to where I feel likethis is my you know, the SIF
meditation chamber or whatever, where Ican go hide out and and by having
to be like, okay, I'mthen I'm the little rockton item enforcemouth.
Tomorrow, I got to go tothis meeting, you know, and go
on all over the place so muchum will definitely be interesting. So perhaps

(55:38):
perhaps I can come back after Ihave recovered my voice sometime and uh and
have more to report. We cankind of talk about that more than yeah
for sure. And you know,there there are a lot of you know,
he just as just as you knowtechnology has evolved and humanity has evolved,
you know, there are there area lot of areas that that can

(56:00):
help in terms of technology, thatcan help facilitate that. So it doesn't
have to be this fearful like ohmy god, you know, remind me
to share you a few things.There's some resource I can share with you
that that are absolutely made to kindof create a level precision and efficiency in
being able to transition and become moreresilient in life. So it's really super
cool and it's you know, andreally what it comes down to is how

(56:21):
do you maintain your energy? Right? How do you maintain that level of
energy so that you can actually perseverethrough all the ups and downs that we're
going to come for this new venturethat you're going into so super exciting.
I mean I had to say wejump into exploring with more new dropics and
that way, because I keep mybrain going, please like it's yeah,

(56:45):
no, exactly. And you knowwhat's exciting for me is that, you
know, having known of you,I mean, this is our probably our
second conversation, and as long asyou're able to kind of maintain that that
consistency of being you and staying trueto you, you would love to see
more of the people like you inthe area of politics to kind of help

(57:07):
kind of clean up. So Imean, let's admit it. I mean,
politics has has become very toxic overthe last few generations, and so
again the evolution of things, hopefullywe can leverage politics in a more empowering
way so that it unifies versus diversify. You know, that's that's the only
way that we have to go rightnow, I feel like because it really

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is so so divisive at this point, that there's you know, the only
the only place to go is up. Really, It's yeah, there's not
there's not any further down we cango down that I mean, the country
could explode and that would be likea rock bottom. Right, That's about
all there is, lef Yeah,right, so good. Well I'm glad
people you know, someone like youhas the the the intestinal fortitude to be

(57:52):
willing to step into that space.And you know, I I Am going
to be your well probably not yourfirst, but you know, one of
your cheerleaders in the back to forthankall of that. That's appreciate it now,
you know it sounds like, youknow, someone will probably listen to
this and be excited for either oneof your adventures, maybe about CDL,
maybe about supporting you on the politicalside of things. What is the best

(58:15):
way for someone to kind of experiencemore of you, I mean, to
be able to connect with you,experience you, to know, you know,
get deeper, like you know,understanding what max Avery is all about.
For the sake of for the sakeof trying to make it simple.
Is that I do have like apersonal website because I realized the need to
kind of have a place to puton my links because there were so many.

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If they just go to Maxavery dotorg, I kind of have a
link to everything, and you canyou can can choose where you want to
go check out, because I've gotpretty much all social media outlets and try
to stay involved in as many ofthem as I can. And you know,
go from there or so nice Okay, quite so you'll find that link
in the description below. Definitely reachout to Max super cool, down to

(58:58):
earth successful yet you wouldn't know it, and then you talk to him and
you're like, wow, this guyyou know, and and there's there's so
many different layers. I wish wehad more time, but I'm not Joe
Rogan, and we you know,we can't probably can't maintain the audience study
or the tension of the audience,the twelve hour long format interviews exactly,

(59:19):
but would love to have you backas you progress. We'll like to keep
an eye on things and kind ofsee how you continue to untether and become
more prosperant and help others do thesame. Max. Thank you so much
for taking it the time for comingon. I think, yeah, I
love the unique um perspective you takeon from entrepreneurship and also just being a
human being. And though we youand I speak a lot of the same

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language, it's it's cool to seeit from a different perspective such as yours.
So again, thank you so muchfor taking the time to come on.
I really appreciate it. Thanks forhaving me. It's been awesome.
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