September 16, 2025 • 55 mins
Brit Elders is an internationally published, award-winning author. Brit focuses her research and work on nonfiction topics. She has written books, articles, documentary films, and ghostwritten and edited for others with a goal of learning something new from each project. As one of the original investigators of the Meier/Pleiadian contact case, Brit spent seven years actively seeking answers to the validity of the contactee’s claims and was active in all aspects of the investigation. She and her husband, Lee, released information from their investigation via several books and documentaries on the case. In 1991, Mexican journalist Jaime Maussan asked her and her husband to participate in the investigation of the wave of activity that began in ’91 and continues today over Mexico. Together, they produced three documentaries on the events in Mexico. She continues her research and investigation into the subject and is a staunch proponent of disclosure of both government and public-generated information. Brit is also the CEO of ShirleyMacLaine.com, co-authors Shirley’s monthly newsletter, and shares information via her newsletter and website: BritElders.com. Join the X at www.unxnetwork.com to get our daily newsletter and other perks!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's time for the Unexed News New Extraterrestrials, time anomalies,
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Speaker 2 (00:46):
Good evening and welcome to Unexed News. I'm your host,
Margie K. And tonight we're doing a double feature and
so we have a great show for you here coming up.
I do want to remind everyone to go to unexnetwork
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(01:08):
recent one, of course, is We Got It from Them
by doctor Gregory Rogers, How Humanity Received et Technology. He
is a whistleblower who recently came out. He's been doing
a lot of interviews and trying to get him in
front of Congress. But that is our most recent book,
so please check that out. And this evening, my guest
(01:33):
is Britt Elders. She is an internationally published, award winning author.
She focuses her research and work on nonfiction topics. She's
written books, articles, documentary films and ghost written and edited
for others with the goal of learning something new from
each project. As one of the original investigators of the
(01:54):
Meyer Pleadian contact case, Britt spent seven years actively seeking
answers to the validity of the contact these claims and
was active in all aspects of the investigation. She and
her husband Lee released information from their investigation via several
books and documentaries on the case, and she is also
(02:15):
the CEO of Shirley McClain dot com. She co authors
Shirley's monthly newsletter and shares information via her newsletter and
website Britt Elders dot com. Welcome to the program, Britt.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Hey, how are you doing, Margie? I'm good.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
It sounds like you're losing your voice a little bit.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
There, just as a best to hang in and not
squeak too much.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Okay, well, I'll I won't make you talk the whole time.
So well, I have to ask you the same thing
I ask everyone else. How did you get interested in UFOs?
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Well, in a strange way, I sort of grew up
with it. My dad was literally a rocket scientist, worked
with Fon Braun on the missile projects way back when,
and he and his engineer buddies would come to the
house and be sitting there talking about these unusual things
they saw when they sent a missile up that went
(03:20):
straight up and then turn around came straight down. Yeah,
very early missile days. And so they talked about these
discs and the orbs and the different things that they
had seen and weren't supposed to be talking, you know,
out in public, but it was among themselves. Because they
had propulsion systems. They didn't understand. We couldn't even get one,
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you know, to do what we wanted it to do.
It seemed to want to do what it wanted to do.
And that was just mind boggling to them that these
things could sit there and hover and watch the launches
and how it returned back to Earth.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
So it sounds like these UFOs were observing what we
were doing with rockets.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
Yeah, they were. A dad had said this several times.
They would send it up and it'd make a ninety
degree turn and just go off into the desert somewhere,
and these things never budged. They stayed right there like
they were observing everything going on when we were starting
to send them up.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Uh huh.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Interesting, So you got started at an early age and
then they were normal. Oh well, then then they could
be certainly could be. Uh so you got interested in
the Billy Meyer case? What draw your attention? What drew
(04:53):
your attention to that?
Speaker 4 (04:57):
When we first got involved, we figured we'd go debunk
the case and just, you know, in a matter of hours,
figure out how he was doing it, and come back home.
We ended up being there five days. We had seen
hundreds of photographs, movie footage, metal samples, audio recordings, interviewed
(05:18):
dozens of witnesses just on that first five day trip,
which was only supposed to be a day, And what
happened was it was just there was so much there.
How do you account for this? It's coming from a
man with one arm he lost one arm in bus accident,
(05:39):
a very moderate I guess you would say education about
fifth grade education.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
He was worldly. He had traveled the world, so.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
He knew how things worked, but he didn't have the finances,
He didn't have the wherewithal to do all of this.
So how did he do That was the big question.
When we first met Billy, he was washing his face
in a horse trough. They didn't have indoor plumbing, so
(06:09):
why would you spend a fridge on something like Industrial
Light and Magic, which was the big special effects house
of the time. How could you do that and still
have your family there with no plumbing's It was really
mind boggling to see all of this documentation and where
(06:35):
did it come from?
Speaker 3 (06:36):
How did he have this?
Speaker 4 (06:39):
We dug into it to try to either completely dispel
it all or say it's something that needs a deeper look.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Well, not everybody knows the story of Billy Meyer, So
could you give us a quick overview? I don't know
if a quick is the right work. Give us an
overview of the case. How did things start for him?
At Was he a believer before he saw his first UFO?
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Et cetera.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
Yeah, Well, he was five years old when he saw
his first UFO and he was walking with his father
and he looked up and he pointed to this object
in the sky and he asked his dad, what is that?
And his dad said, that's got to be one of
Hitler's airships, and so that was ah, you know, it's
(07:35):
World War two and all of that, and so Billy
sort of oh okay. But then later he had, as
he described, a telepathic contact that began at the age
of five when he had the encounter that produced all
of the documentation. That again after a long period of
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time where the Palladians told him him they monitored him.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
So he believed in the fact that there.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
Was extra trustrial life out there from the telepathic contacts
he had had, from what he had seen in his
world travels. But you know, he wasn't quite expecting what
happened to him when he actually had a contact. And
what did happen was he was sitting at the kitchen table.
(08:25):
He got a cooling sensation across his forehead and then
he heard a voice say, get on your mopead and
follow instructions. When he got on his moped, it told
him where to drive out in the forest. When he
got to the area, they said, okay, stop here. He
got off the moped and he thought, what am I
doing here? And then he heard a sound and it
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was a sound he could not describe, very high pitch,
kind of a whir. He looked up and he saw
the silver craft, a disc floating down and he stood there.
From behind the craft walked a woman. She was dressed
in silver. She was tall, she was blonde, she was
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fair skinned. She walked towards him, and she introduced herself
and said, my name is Semyasa. They began a conversation
that lasted about forty five minutes, sitting under a tree,
just having a conversation. This is why we are here,
this is all the normal little things. Her big reason
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for having the contact, for wanting the contact was to
prove to the people of Earth that we are not
the only thinking beings in the universe. That it's important
for us to realize that as we want to move
forward in our exploration of space, we're going to encounter
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other beings out there and we have to learn respect.
We haven't learned to respect each other on this planet,
which we have to do, so we can learn to
respect those that are out there in space.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Yeah. That's a tall order. Yeah, although although I I
must say that I feel like the level of consciousness
of humanity is going up, it's not as fast as
we would probably like. What are your thoughts?
Speaker 3 (10:28):
I agree with you. I think.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
There seems to be something going on where people don't
want to.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Be stuck in the middle anymore.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
They want to either have a more positive open outlook
towards each other with communication, or they want to shut down.
It seems to be one or the other. There aren't
so many people hiding their thoughts anymore, they're speaking them.
I think that's why all of this great information on
(11:01):
UFOs UAPs on, even government, our government finally stepping up
to the plate a little bit. I think that that's
why right now we're kind of at a crossroads.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Do we move forward.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
With optimism, with hope, with trying to learn more about ourselves,
our own connection to creation, to divinity, whatever you want
to call it. Do we try to understand each other better?
Or do we become a warring society again, which I
do believe we have done many times in the past.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Yeah, obviously, So how many times did Billy Meyer meet
with the Pleaadians?
Speaker 4 (11:49):
He's had hundreds of contacts. He's still having contact.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
But see the contexts that brought all the physics.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
He's eighty seven eight eight somewhere in there. Yeah, okay, Yeah,
I stay in touch with him. We have zoom calls
and we email back and forth, and it's good to
know that he's doing very well still. But his contacts now,
some are physical, some are telepathic, but they are not
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providing the evidence. The contacts with Simyasa were specifically designed
to allow him to take photographs. Because when you see
these photographs, you know, oh my god, they're too good
to be true. That's the initial reaction, and they really
are because they were posed for his camera. His camera
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was an old thirty five millimeter camera with a broken setting.
He couldn't change the settings on it at all. Most
of the photographs are very clear, some are blurry. He
had an old movie camera, eight millimeter movie camera. He
put it up on a tripod and pushed the button
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and the craft would fly in and fly out and
disappear and all of these different things. He had audio
recordings that both he and his wife and other people
had taken of the craft. And he had metal samples,
which for me, that was the thing that said, wow,
this is something very serious. Because we took them to
(13:28):
doctor Marcel Vogel with IBM. Marcel had thirty two patents.
He was a metallurgist. We said, look at this please.
He had an electron electron scanning microscope. Because he was
working with IBM back then, this is mid seventies. This
type of equipment was impossible to find and he had this,
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so we said, let's see what it is. The metal
was fascinating because it was a layer of metal and
crystal and metal and crystal and metal and crystal. So
it was a cold synthesis process that put it together.
It wasn't the typical which we still do today melt it,
(14:14):
heat it, pour it out into a form. And the
metal was supposed to be from one phase of the
development of the skin of the spacecraft. So this was
just mind boggling to us. Then on top of it,
when we did an elemental analysis of it, it had
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things we would recognize. It had nickel, it had zinc,
It had all of the different things that we would
think would go into some form of metal. But it
also had thulium in it. And thulium is a rare
earth element, extremely difficult to find, an extremely expensive to extract.
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Where would this farmer in Switzerland come up with thulium?
So that was kind of for me that, oh, my gosh.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
This is really deserves very deep sincere look.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
And how long did you investigate? In person?
Speaker 4 (15:16):
Seven years we spent Lee and I together spent over
three hundred and sixty five days living at the farmhouse
during that seven year period of time of the investigation.
We had a camp trailer that was right next to
the farm. We were present when Billy went off to contact.
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When he came back, he gave us an opportunity to
watch what all was going on there and to interview
the neighbors and the locals and even some of the
police that were around there, and the various people that
had come in and witnessed things. Because Billy's name in
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Europe was quite big at the time, everybody wanted to
come see a UFO, so they came to his farm
and sort of overranted ugly, but it was good for
us to be able to get a feel for all
of that, and Billy gave us free reign. He said,
go through the house, go through the barn outbuildings, whatever
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you want, and we did with a fine toothcomb, looking
for models, looking for any way that he could have
yet us with a projecture, with anything like that. There
was nothing there. In fact, we made the model because
we did a documentary of UFO contact for Abliades and
(16:43):
it's out there now. But what was so interesting about
that We had a model made by Wally Gentleman, who
was a special effects expert. He had worked with Francis
Ford Coppola, he had worked with so many different people,
won awards all over the place. Was the man that
did all of the model work for two thousand and
(17:05):
one A Space Odyssey, and all the special effects for Kopric.
So we had him build us a model and we said, okay,
how would you do this? And he says, you'd take
it to the same location, suspend it on a very
fine monofilament line from a pole, and photograph it and
(17:27):
see what happens. Well, we did, and we brought the
images back. We had them digitized, just like we did
Myers footage at the University of Arizona with doctor Michael Mayland,
and we put the two side by side and there
was no comparison. Myers craft was obviously this large thing
some distance from the camera, and our model was a model,
(17:50):
and you could definitely with the digitized images see that
monofilament line suspending it.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
I actually I I spoke with someone who he was
who was trying to debunk it, and uh, he mentioned
that model and he said, uh, it was proven that
there was it was fake and there you could see
the monofilament line, and that was his argument.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
We did it.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Yeah, you did it, and you told.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Her yes, yes, but we wanted to.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
Yeah, so that we wanted to be totally upfront with
everyone about what we were doing with the analysis.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Yeah, you have to do that. So there were a
lot of neighbors who saw UFOs as well. Yes, did
did any of them pictures or film?
Speaker 4 (19:03):
It was very interesting. I was talking to the postman
at one point and he ran this little tiny post
office in this burg of a place where Billy lived.
And I said, have you ever seen the ships? And
he said yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
I said, what did you think? Did you take pictures? No? Why?
What is it? I don't know what it is.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
It's scary, I mean, I thought, oh gosh. So then
we went to a farmer that lived kind of down
the hillways and he had a dairy farm. And he says,
you can talk to me if you can milk a cow.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
And I said, I can milk a cow.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
So I sat down there and I milked the cow.
I said, now talk to me.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Tell me.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
He says, I see things all the time. And I said,
do you ever take pictures of them? He says, I
take pictures of lights in the sky. But that's all
I get is lights in the sky. I said, okay,
can I see the pictures? My wife doesn't want me
to show anybody the pictures because they don't want us
to be made fun of. I mean, it was just
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so precious the way he was putting this out there.
And again, this is back mid seventies. You didn't say ufo,
You whispered it. You went to a corner of a
room and said, hey, I had a sighting. You didn't
get out there and do what we're doing now and
openly discuss it.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Yeah. Were there any film crews or any mainstream media?
Did they do investigations themselves?
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (20:42):
We brought Fuji Television in Nipon Television in many different
times and worked with them and they did their own investigation.
In fact, it was Nipon Television that helped us analyze
the movie footage because they had incredible studios over there
where they could take this eight millimeter footage frame by
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frame by frame and really examine what it was, because
in several places the craft just disappears. It just blinks
out and then blinks in and it's in a different place.
And they went through frame by frame they found no cuts,
(21:28):
no edits, nothing, They would indicate any type of a hoax,
and they said, quite frankly, we can duplicate it. We
don't know what it is. But we worked with Junichiyawi
on that and he was just wonderful for bringing in
Fuji and Nippon Television to work with us there. But
in the United States at that point in time, no
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one was interested. It was really, like I said, it
was taboo subject.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Taboo, right. I did grab a few off the internet.
I wonder if you could tell me if these are
actual photos that Billy Meyer.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
Took ah the wedding cake, that's what we call it. Yeah,
this was taken towards the end of our investigation. And
the interesting thing about this object is that we had
sound from this craft. We brought the sound to Boeing
(22:34):
Labs and to grow Connecticut's Naval research facility. A man
by the name of Rod Shellman did the analysis work
on the audio. He had never seen this picture, but
when he did analysis of the audio, he drew basically
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what you are seeing there on the screen a circle
with all these little balls around it, and above those
balls another set of balls around it. And he says,
I don't know what this is for but it has
something to do with propulsion.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Just from listening.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
That's just from listening to the sounds. The frequency shifts.
How they moved, he says, it's like it's moving from
from one sphere to another, to another, to another to
another in a circle.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
And he ended up drawing the ship.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
I have a feeling that that man is also psychick.
He was seeing what it was creating. Yeah, okay, what
about this one.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
Oh, this is one of my favorites. This was taken
into place called Hassambul, and there's movie footage a many
many images.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
That were taken from there.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
The interesting thing about this particular picture to me is
when we had it digitized, you could actually see the
reflection of the ground in the bottom of the craft.
It was so clear. It was just beautiful. But this
is a kill and it's got to be the windiest
hill I have ever been on in my life. It's
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a hill that just overlooks this little valley, but it
is a very steep drop off and we were up
there several times taking distance measurements, looking to see, you know, what,
how could he have done this? How did he suspend it?
If he suspended it? Of course, when we came back
and had everything digitized. There was no monofilament line there,
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there was nothing. And it was not a paste up,
you know, one like a glass plate where you put
one image on top of another.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
So this was quite.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
A series of photographs. He took photographs at Hassenboul in
the spring, summer, and winter, so we have it throughout
the seasons, and not just this craft, but Billy photographed
five different craft and we have three of them in
this area. This is a great one. This is over
(25:25):
sad Leg and this is the traditional UFO. I mean
it's literally the sport model as people call it.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
It is so beautiful.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
But we call this the chimney scene because just below
that little hedge of trees is a chimney for burning
refuse outside. And when Billy took this, he took a
whole series of images as it moved across the sky,
and it would be behind a tree, sometimes in front
(25:58):
of the tree, but it was always some place where
we could get measurements and really take a look at
how big the object was, which ended up being about
twenty one feet in diameter about seven meters, and we
had an opportunity to find out how far the camera
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was from the object. Because we knew where Billy had
taken the photograph, where he stood, we knew how far
the trees were, we had measured them, and we could
triangulate all of this to get the size of the craft.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Speaking of size of craft, what would be an average
size of the craft that would visit Billy.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
Most of them were about seven meters. There was one
a remote vehicle that was smaller, but most of them
were about twenty one feet in diameter.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
And these images are clear. I've got a couple more here.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
Yeah, oh yeah, okay, this one. There's actually an incredible
photograph that is very similar to this when it was
taken at the same location, but it has a Swiss
Mirage jet fighter in the same scene. This is a
(27:23):
typical Swiss day. It's kind of got that moisture in
the air where you don't have a real clean clear skyline,
plus a little bit of smog and fog. But this
is another one of Billy's craft's. Yeah, and this again
was a massive hill over a valley. Nothing to attach
(27:45):
that thing too, and it was out there for some
period of time. He not only took the stills of
this particular ship that day, but also movie footage, and
in one segment of the movie footage you can see
cars on a road beneath it moving.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
I'm surprised they didn't stop and get out and look
at it.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
Some people will never look up. Oh this is a
fun one. This is quite a remarkable tree. It's a
variation two ship. It was the one that originally came in.
And one of the things that we did when we
were there is, first of all, we went to the
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sites and we talked to this farmer because the tree
when we got there was no longer there. And we said,
what happened because people were putting the roomor out there. Oh,
it just vanished and the plate ins took the tree away.
So we went and talked to the farmer and he said,
that's not what happened. He said, the tree died so
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I had to cut it down. We said, okay. That
got us to thinking why would the tree die. We
brought in wild Hebrog who is they're sort of like
one of the groups that work with our Nuclear Commission,
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and they brought in testing equipment. We went to the
contact sites, including where that was. We went over sad Leg,
we went to the very first contact site and we
took measurements and every single one was hot. The gamma
radiation was pegging. And this is years after the contact began.
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We measured Billy's mopeed, it pegged. We measured his belt buckle,
it pegged, the tractor it pegged. So there was everything
there was exposed to gamma radiation that was really serious
and severe. When we asked Billy about this, he said,
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that's why they brought in the next type of craft,
because the first one had a radiation leak. They didn't
think it would affect us. It doesn't affect them, but
then their beings are on a slightly different vibration than ours,
so they were surprised when things that they got very
(30:20):
close to with his craft started dying, and that's why
they took that one out of commission and put a
new one in.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Wow. Okay, then answer some questions for me on another case,
So thank you for that. You made a documentary film
about this. Yes, when did you make the documentary.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
We made them. Let's see, it was in the eighties
that we did these. Ye, in the eighties.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Likely I saw it in the eighties then, And do
you remember watching a documentary. But if somebody wants to
see it, now, are they able to do that?
Speaker 4 (31:07):
Yeah, it's available to either stream or or buy a DVD,
so you can download it and watch it. It's on Amazon.
It's UFO Contact from the Plates, a documentary and it
takes you through all of this and it has the
movie footage in it with cars going underneath the craft,
which I just I love that piece. It has the
(31:29):
footage where the ships disappear, It has interviews with the witnesses,
interviews with Billy. It's it tries to encompass everything. I mean,
we did the books too, but that is one documentary.
We also did one called the Movie Footage, one on
the Metal and one on the myor Chronicles, just kind
(31:52):
of an overview of the case. But we did UFO
Contact from the Plates Volume one and volume two, and
that again was we at a point where we've ran
out of things to really examine what do we do now?
Even the scientists weren't coming up with things. And when
we finally ended up taking photographs to JPL Jeff Propulsion
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Laboratory and talking to Robert Post, the senior man in
the photo lab, and he says, I can't duplicate this.
I don't know what it is, but I can't duplicate it.
What do you do with that, Margie?
Speaker 3 (32:30):
I mean it's like, well, it's evidence.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Have the messages changed over time that Billies received.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
They're more personalized now, more for him on a personal
level of what's going on in his life and things
like that. They are coming in for We need to
a continuation basically of the first messages, which are we
need to be taking care of each other. We need
to look at each other without anger, without greed, and
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all of the other things that we attach to things.
The Palladians are very concerned about us because we're not
doing the inner work necessary to really make that connection
to creation. We're not doing the inner work to make
the connection to each other. We're not realizing that the
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value we have to each other is just so tremendous.
We're not islands. We have to work together. We have
to learn to work together, and we have to learn
to communicate. And they say, we're not doing too well
at that lesson. We're improving, but not fast enough.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Yeah, I agree with that. Did they ever say anything
about consciousness, about a level of consciousness that is needed
in order in order to have contact with them. I
do know a number of people who have had contact
with Playadians, and also some who say or believe that
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they are hybrids, that they've got Plaadian blood in them.
Have the Plaadians ever mentioned anything about that?
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Do we have?
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Are they walking among us?
Speaker 4 (34:27):
In other words, they do walk among us, but not
for very long, because the Pladings told Billy they can
stand to be around us for about two hours. We
have something they call oric stinch, Yeah, great name, and
our energy is so uptight that it makes them nauseous,
(34:50):
so they don't want to be around humans that much. Yes,
I can understand people this say like they're they feel
connected to the Palladians. They feel like they are a
hybrid of the Pladians. In the Early Contact notes, Simyosit
told Billy that our forefathers are your forefathers. They helped
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seed this planet, so many of us are related to Palladians.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
They have a.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
Kind of an openness towards humans where they want us
to be be their little brothers and live up to
our potential. And that's something that's really important to them,
because they say they can't do it for us.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
We have free will here. We have to make the
choices and decisions.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Yeah, that's true. Yeah, it's tough. It's tough.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
If you're not just told what to do and how
to act, you have to do it yourself because you
have free will. Yeah, that's a huge respectibility, and I don't.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
Think we can take it. I think we can do it.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
I had something very strange happened to me a few
years ago, and I've just suddenly popped into my mind
that I should tell you this, and because I want
to know if anybody else has had a similar experience.
I was meditating in my front living room a few
years ago. It was late at night, and something said
open your eyes, open your eyes and pulled my eyes open,
(36:30):
literally just pulled my eyes open. And I look over
and there are in the midst of materializing seven women
and they said they were the Seven Sisters.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
And it was an amazing.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Experience, totally amazing. So has anybody else had anything like
that happened in any of them?
Speaker 3 (36:56):
I haven't.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
But one of the things that the Pladium have told
Billy that is so urgently important for us is we
get into a framework where we meditate daily because we
need that calm, inner stillness in order to make that
connection to creation, in order to make the connection to
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each other. And so by the meditation, you're bringing in
wonderful energies at the same time you're working on your heart,
you're working on your own spiritual side. Yeah, it's really important.
And they say when you meditate, you need to listen
because what's coming through in the meditation is so important.
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That's a valiant teacher there. And we have to start
looking at meditation not just as a way to relax,
you know, five minutes before bed and you sleep. Well, No,
look at as a way to communicate, because they say,
and I find this interesting that gen Z is doing
this now, not making decisions based on logic, but going
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with vibes and intuition. When you get to the point
you are relying on intuition and that inner knowledge, that
heart knowledge, then you're moving forward. And that's what the
Pladians have been telling Billie all along.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
But we have to get.
Speaker 4 (38:23):
To that space because we have to recognize each other
literally as brothers and sisters, and we've got to recognize
all of those civilizations out there as part of that
saying brotherhood and sisterhood. It's all there for us, but
we've got to do it on our own.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Are you in contact with any extraterrestrials and have you
seen their craft?
Speaker 3 (38:54):
Not that I'm aware of, but oh my gosh, yes,
have I seen craft?
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Okay? Has it only been at Billi's place?
Speaker 1 (39:04):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (39:05):
Missing I.
Speaker 4 (39:06):
In fact, I've never seen a craft at Meyer's place.
I have seen a lot of phenomena at Meyer's place,
but never a craft. But in other places of the world,
in South America, Mexico, on other investigations, yes, I have
seen them, both daylight and at night. I live in
northern Arizona. I heard your guest earlier is from Sedona.
(39:29):
I live up the hill from him, and we have
a beautiful mountain. And one night I was traveling with
my parents to go to California, and we were going
to a funeral and my mom and I looked out
the window at the same time and saw this massive ship.
And of course we're screaming at my dad, the engineer,
(39:49):
and saying stop the car, and finally he did. He
pulled over a load of eighteen wheelers pulled over behind us,
and we all got out look at this amazing ship
with little red and white orbs flying around. Then they
flew up into.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
It and we all stood there.
Speaker 4 (40:10):
Three and a half hours later, we got back in
the car and went, wow, what happened?
Speaker 2 (40:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (40:21):
Yeah, time there?
Speaker 4 (40:24):
Yeah, and the poor trucker behind us, Oh my god,
is scarce the hell out of him? He just didn't
It was like I didn't see that.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
What was it? I don't That was terrible. What happened
to my time? I'm late? I mean he just was frazzled.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
Oh boy, yeah, yeah, I've hit I've had truckers tell
me about missing time and some elevated or accelerated time.
Oh where they had something strange happened and all of
a sudden they are four hours early to their location
and there's no way they could do that. Yeah, yeah,
(41:02):
that's it's the Phenomena's fascinating. It's fascinating. It's interesting. And
of course you work with Shirley McLean. Have you ever
been with her and had anything like that happen?
Speaker 3 (41:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (41:23):
Actually I've been on my way to visit her and
came up missing seven hours, made a drive from Arizona
to California. But yeah, she and I've had some fascinating experiences.
She has a place in New Mexico and one night
we were sitting in the hot tub and we looked
at him, what on earth is that? And we were
(41:45):
watching an earth fairy just dance around the trees and
I mean both of us and my husband was there too,
and he's We're all going, wow, what is that? Well,
we tried to talk to it, saying to it, we
just wanted it to come closer, but then it did
play peekaboo behind the tree. It was the most amazing experience.
(42:09):
But we've seen things out there in New Mexico with her.
One time, for her birthday, we took her to Mexico
because we were in the middle of investigating the waves
of activity down there and she wanted to see what
was going on. And there's a place that we called
Camp Marco and it's right under.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
Popo Ca, capital the volcano.
Speaker 4 (42:32):
So we get down there and we say, how do
you feel about camping out on the side of an
erupting volcano. Hail bop was overhead, the volcano's going off,
and we spent the night under that volcano watching the
most amazing things in the sky. Yeah, it was so Yeah,
(42:53):
We've had a lot of fun experiences. And Charlie and
I are like sisters. We argue, we debate, we have
great times together. It's she's just a very special person
in my life.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
That's that's awesome. I can feel her vibes from here.
She's good stuff, good stuff.
Speaker 4 (43:17):
Yeah, ninety one and going strong, getting ready to make
another movie.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
Yeah, Oh my goodness, Oh my goodness. Well she's so talented.
Oh my gosh, one of my favorite actuallys.
Speaker 3 (43:33):
Yeah, I got so.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
Many comments in here. Yeah I'm not I'm not even good.
Some of them I can't put up there. Nope, never mind,
we're not going there. Okay, Hey, it's a good thing.
We have the ability to to watch this sort of
thing and they don't just pop up right right. So
(43:59):
what is next for you? Do you have anything on
your radar? Are you going to go back and see
Billy or what?
Speaker 4 (44:09):
I don't know if I'll get back to see Billy
this year. But I am working on two new books.
I still like to write books in threes, three at
a time for some reason. I'm working on two new books,
one with my chiropractor I'm very much into natural health,
and one on Mexico and some of the events took
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place down there.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
Oh that's awesome. So yeah, is all of that information
on your website?
Speaker 4 (44:41):
Not yet because I haven't finished them, but it'll be
there when I finish them. But all of the other
books that I've written are up there.
Speaker 3 (44:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
Okay, okay, So let's uh, why don't you tell us
a little bit about some of your books. What was
the first book you he wrote?
Speaker 4 (45:03):
Well, it was actually volume one UFO Contact from the Plates,
Volume one, and that was written back in seventy six.
And then we did volume two, and then we contributed
to Light Years with Gary Kinder, who was an attorney
that reinvestigated our investigation.
Speaker 3 (45:23):
And then.
Speaker 4 (45:25):
Yeah, this year we put those two books together and
brought them out together for everybody, and they are being
very very well received.
Speaker 3 (45:34):
I just won award. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (45:37):
But I've been working with attorneys on books, doctors on books.
Doctor Mark Mincola, I worked with an autistic young man
and just had a great time writing with him. My
favorite book, I would have to say, I have two.
My husband's book Expeditions, it's about his time in Ecdor,
(46:01):
and the other one is the book I did with
Danette Wells. It's called Another Step Up the Mountain and
it just won the Best Book Award for Sports at
the International Book Fair. And it's incredible. It's a very personal,
deep story. This woman, her life was really something. She's
(46:24):
climbed the Seventh Summits. She's a sports adventurous she's just
been everywhere and done everything. And her son sort of
followed in her footsteps, and he unfortunately died in a
sports activity. And how it set her back and what
(46:45):
she did to come out of it is just phenomenal.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
Oh, that's incredible. So writing, obviously, obviously you do.
Speaker 3 (47:01):
I do too.
Speaker 2 (47:03):
I've constantly working and publishing and now publishing other people's books,
and I find it to be fascinating to read the
experiences of other people. Is Billy Meyer married.
Speaker 3 (47:22):
Yes, his family's first wife.
Speaker 4 (47:25):
He divorced. He had three children with her. Gilgamesha, Atlantis,
Mathusalem were his children. He and Kelly Opei had a
falling out, which I understand.
Speaker 3 (47:36):
I get it. Their house was overrun with people literally
beating on the door at three o'clock in the morning
demanding to talk to Billy. Oh, it was outrageous.
Speaker 4 (47:48):
We saw some of the most ridiculous things going on
there and trumpling the gardens and it was a mess.
She finally had her fill, she left. Yeah, and she's
angry at Billy. She's now decided, despite the fact we
have her on camera saying this is what I saw,
this is what happened then, and all the experiences she had,
(48:11):
she now says it's a hoax. But she's mad at Billy,
So I get it, and I don't have a problem
with it. But he has remarried Ava. They have a
daughter and a son, and Atlantis is the only child
from the first marriage that is still really close to
his dad, and in fact he lives there at the farm.
Speaker 3 (48:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (48:35):
But character, Yeah, oh unique kid. Let me tell you,
he really has some amazing energy given to a child.
Speaker 3 (48:51):
Yeah, he does.
Speaker 4 (48:52):
He painted a picture for me of the UFO that
he saw as a kid, and it's this yellow with
the big orange sphere.
Speaker 3 (49:02):
In the middle. Just beautiful.
Speaker 4 (49:04):
But yeah, it's I think he's probably going to follow
in his dad's footsteps.
Speaker 2 (49:12):
Why do you think so many people, the skeptics have
to debunk every single thing they see without doing any
investigation themselves.
Speaker 4 (49:25):
Well, sometimes I think it's out of we have to
make this go away. We don't want it to be real.
It'll interfere with my life. But I think there and
I hate to say this, but back in the day,
there was a lot of competition in the UFO groups
fighting for material and who got what, and a lot
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of people got mad at us because we refused to
turn the material evidence over to any UFO group. We
went with it when it went to a laboratory. We
maybe said it all the way through, and we really
ticked off a lot of people. But that was okay
by me because I wanted a thorough investigation. Lee wanted
(50:10):
to throw investigation. Both of us have backgrounds as investigators.
Doesn't matter if it's a murder, one, counter espionage work,
an investigation of anything. Even if the UFOs is the
same same criteria.
Speaker 2 (50:29):
Well it has to be otherwise it wouldn't be credible, right, No,
I lost you.
Speaker 4 (50:41):
There, Okay, if you can hear me, I'm going to
(51:26):
leave the studio and try to come back in.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
I'm sorry folks that somehow I got knocked out of
stream Yard. And well it looks like Britt was knocked
out too. Maybe she'll come back. We just have a
few more minutes in here and some people, I don't
(51:59):
know what your problem is, but I'm going to ban
you from the from the comments, you're not gonna be
able to come back in. So, yeah, she's trying to.
Speaker 3 (52:11):
Know.
Speaker 2 (52:11):
We've both got knocked. Yeah, you know what happened there,
But still going. So we've got about five minutes left.
Is there anything that you would like to share?
Speaker 4 (52:27):
Just that there are so many stories, there's so much
information out there right now. Everybody kind of be open
to it, be discerning, listen to it. But no matter
what it is, you're going to learn something from it.
So be not necessarily all embracing, but listen. Said, hear
(52:53):
what people are saying, share your experiences. Don't be afraid
to do that. There's so many people out they're having experiences,
and the only way we're going to learn is if
we share here and listen to what each other has
to say. And right now I think that that is
so urgently important because our government's holding hearings, but they're
(53:18):
leaning into fear. I think we can get a lot
from each other, more than we can get from the government,
by just listening to each other and by listening to
shows like yours, because Margie, you've got a great program
and you cover such a diverse group that it makes
(53:38):
it interesting. If people will take the time to tune
into things like that, they're going to learn so much
and it's uplifting.
Speaker 2 (53:50):
And thank goodness, we have people like you who are
serious investigators and get the facts and then write about
it so that we can all see it, see what
the truth is. So thank you very much, and thank
you for coming on the show. I appreciate it, and
I'm sorry for the mix up with the timing and everything.
(54:12):
We got it done.
Speaker 3 (54:14):
So so that's important, I think. And my voice failed up.
Speaker 2 (54:18):
Yeah, well, thank you so much, and I hope you
come back again sometime.
Speaker 3 (54:25):
I would be happy to thank you.
Speaker 2 (54:28):
Okay, all right, Well that's that's a wrap for today.
We will be back again next week. Hopefully our timing
will work and we won't get knocked out of the broadcast,
So we'll see you next week.
Speaker 3 (55:10):
Very
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Speaker 2 (00:46):
Good evening and welcome to Unexed News. I'm your host,
Margie K. And tonight we're doing a double feature and
so we have a great show for you here coming up.
I do want to remind everyone to go to unexnetwork
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of the great books that we've got there. Our most
(01:08):
recent one, of course, is We Got It from Them
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is a whistleblower who recently came out. He's been doing
a lot of interviews and trying to get him in
front of Congress. But that is our most recent book,
so please check that out. And this evening, my guest
(01:33):
is Britt Elders. She is an internationally published, award winning author.
She focuses her research and work on nonfiction topics. She's
written books, articles, documentary films and ghost written and edited
for others with the goal of learning something new from
each project. As one of the original investigators of the
(01:54):
Meyer Pleadian contact case, Britt spent seven years actively seeking
answers to the validity of the contact these claims and
was active in all aspects of the investigation. She and
her husband Lee released information from their investigation via several
books and documentaries on the case, and she is also
(02:15):
the CEO of Shirley McClain dot com. She co authors
Shirley's monthly newsletter and shares information via her newsletter and
website Britt Elders dot com. Welcome to the program, Britt.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Hey, how are you doing, Margie? I'm good.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
It sounds like you're losing your voice a little bit.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
There, just as a best to hang in and not
squeak too much.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Okay, well, I'll I won't make you talk the whole time.
So well, I have to ask you the same thing
I ask everyone else. How did you get interested in UFOs?
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Well, in a strange way, I sort of grew up
with it. My dad was literally a rocket scientist, worked
with Fon Braun on the missile projects way back when,
and he and his engineer buddies would come to the
house and be sitting there talking about these unusual things
they saw when they sent a missile up that went
(03:20):
straight up and then turn around came straight down. Yeah,
very early missile days. And so they talked about these
discs and the orbs and the different things that they
had seen and weren't supposed to be talking, you know,
out in public, but it was among themselves. Because they
had propulsion systems. They didn't understand. We couldn't even get one,
(03:43):
you know, to do what we wanted it to do.
It seemed to want to do what it wanted to do.
And that was just mind boggling to them that these
things could sit there and hover and watch the launches
and how it returned back to Earth.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
So it sounds like these UFOs were observing what we
were doing with rockets.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
Yeah, they were. A dad had said this several times.
They would send it up and it'd make a ninety
degree turn and just go off into the desert somewhere,
and these things never budged. They stayed right there like
they were observing everything going on when we were starting
to send them up.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Uh huh.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Interesting, So you got started at an early age and
then they were normal. Oh well, then then they could
be certainly could be. Uh so you got interested in
the Billy Meyer case? What draw your attention? What drew
(04:53):
your attention to that?
Speaker 4 (04:57):
When we first got involved, we figured we'd go debunk
the case and just, you know, in a matter of hours,
figure out how he was doing it, and come back home.
We ended up being there five days. We had seen
hundreds of photographs, movie footage, metal samples, audio recordings, interviewed
(05:18):
dozens of witnesses just on that first five day trip,
which was only supposed to be a day, And what
happened was it was just there was so much there.
How do you account for this? It's coming from a
man with one arm he lost one arm in bus accident,
(05:39):
a very moderate I guess you would say education about
fifth grade education.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
He was worldly. He had traveled the world, so.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
He knew how things worked, but he didn't have the finances,
He didn't have the wherewithal to do all of this.
So how did he do That was the big question.
When we first met Billy, he was washing his face
in a horse trough. They didn't have indoor plumbing, so
(06:09):
why would you spend a fridge on something like Industrial
Light and Magic, which was the big special effects house
of the time. How could you do that and still
have your family there with no plumbing's It was really
mind boggling to see all of this documentation and where
(06:35):
did it come from?
Speaker 3 (06:36):
How did he have this?
Speaker 4 (06:39):
We dug into it to try to either completely dispel
it all or say it's something that needs a deeper look.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Well, not everybody knows the story of Billy Meyer, So
could you give us a quick overview? I don't know
if a quick is the right work. Give us an
overview of the case. How did things start for him?
At Was he a believer before he saw his first UFO?
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Et cetera.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
Yeah, Well, he was five years old when he saw
his first UFO and he was walking with his father
and he looked up and he pointed to this object
in the sky and he asked his dad, what is that?
And his dad said, that's got to be one of
Hitler's airships, and so that was ah, you know, it's
(07:35):
World War two and all of that, and so Billy
sort of oh okay. But then later he had, as
he described, a telepathic contact that began at the age
of five when he had the encounter that produced all
of the documentation. That again after a long period of
(07:57):
time where the Palladians told him him they monitored him.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
So he believed in the fact that there.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
Was extra trustrial life out there from the telepathic contacts
he had had, from what he had seen in his
world travels. But you know, he wasn't quite expecting what
happened to him when he actually had a contact. And
what did happen was he was sitting at the kitchen table.
(08:25):
He got a cooling sensation across his forehead and then
he heard a voice say, get on your mopead and
follow instructions. When he got on his moped, it told
him where to drive out in the forest. When he
got to the area, they said, okay, stop here. He
got off the moped and he thought, what am I
doing here? And then he heard a sound and it
(08:47):
was a sound he could not describe, very high pitch,
kind of a whir. He looked up and he saw
the silver craft, a disc floating down and he stood there.
From behind the craft walked a woman. She was dressed
in silver. She was tall, she was blonde, she was
(09:11):
fair skinned. She walked towards him, and she introduced herself
and said, my name is Semyasa. They began a conversation
that lasted about forty five minutes, sitting under a tree,
just having a conversation. This is why we are here,
this is all the normal little things. Her big reason
(09:34):
for having the contact, for wanting the contact was to
prove to the people of Earth that we are not
the only thinking beings in the universe. That it's important
for us to realize that as we want to move
forward in our exploration of space, we're going to encounter
(09:56):
other beings out there and we have to learn respect.
We haven't learned to respect each other on this planet,
which we have to do, so we can learn to
respect those that are out there in space.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Yeah. That's a tall order. Yeah, although although I I
must say that I feel like the level of consciousness
of humanity is going up, it's not as fast as
we would probably like. What are your thoughts?
Speaker 3 (10:28):
I agree with you. I think.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
There seems to be something going on where people don't
want to.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Be stuck in the middle anymore.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
They want to either have a more positive open outlook
towards each other with communication, or they want to shut down.
It seems to be one or the other. There aren't
so many people hiding their thoughts anymore, they're speaking them.
I think that's why all of this great information on
(11:01):
UFOs UAPs on, even government, our government finally stepping up
to the plate a little bit. I think that that's
why right now we're kind of at a crossroads.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Do we move forward.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
With optimism, with hope, with trying to learn more about ourselves,
our own connection to creation, to divinity, whatever you want
to call it. Do we try to understand each other better?
Or do we become a warring society again, which I
do believe we have done many times in the past.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Yeah, obviously, So how many times did Billy Meyer meet
with the Pleaadians?
Speaker 4 (11:49):
He's had hundreds of contacts. He's still having contact.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
But see the contexts that brought all the physics.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
He's eighty seven eight eight somewhere in there. Yeah, okay, Yeah,
I stay in touch with him. We have zoom calls
and we email back and forth, and it's good to
know that he's doing very well still. But his contacts now,
some are physical, some are telepathic, but they are not
(12:20):
providing the evidence. The contacts with Simyasa were specifically designed
to allow him to take photographs. Because when you see
these photographs, you know, oh my god, they're too good
to be true. That's the initial reaction, and they really
are because they were posed for his camera. His camera
(12:44):
was an old thirty five millimeter camera with a broken setting.
He couldn't change the settings on it at all. Most
of the photographs are very clear, some are blurry. He
had an old movie camera, eight millimeter movie camera. He
put it up on a tripod and pushed the button
(13:05):
and the craft would fly in and fly out and
disappear and all of these different things. He had audio
recordings that both he and his wife and other people
had taken of the craft. And he had metal samples,
which for me, that was the thing that said, wow,
this is something very serious. Because we took them to
(13:28):
doctor Marcel Vogel with IBM. Marcel had thirty two patents.
He was a metallurgist. We said, look at this please.
He had an electron electron scanning microscope. Because he was
working with IBM back then, this is mid seventies. This
type of equipment was impossible to find and he had this,
(13:52):
so we said, let's see what it is. The metal
was fascinating because it was a layer of metal and
crystal and metal and crystal and metal and crystal. So
it was a cold synthesis process that put it together.
It wasn't the typical which we still do today melt it,
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heat it, pour it out into a form. And the
metal was supposed to be from one phase of the
development of the skin of the spacecraft. So this was
just mind boggling to us. Then on top of it,
when we did an elemental analysis of it, it had
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things we would recognize. It had nickel, it had zinc,
It had all of the different things that we would
think would go into some form of metal. But it
also had thulium in it. And thulium is a rare
earth element, extremely difficult to find, an extremely expensive to extract.
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Where would this farmer in Switzerland come up with thulium?
So that was kind of for me that, oh, my gosh.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
This is really deserves very deep sincere look.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
And how long did you investigate? In person?
Speaker 4 (15:16):
Seven years we spent Lee and I together spent over
three hundred and sixty five days living at the farmhouse
during that seven year period of time of the investigation.
We had a camp trailer that was right next to
the farm. We were present when Billy went off to contact.
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When he came back, he gave us an opportunity to
watch what all was going on there and to interview
the neighbors and the locals and even some of the
police that were around there, and the various people that
had come in and witnessed things. Because Billy's name in
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Europe was quite big at the time, everybody wanted to
come see a UFO, so they came to his farm
and sort of overranted ugly, but it was good for
us to be able to get a feel for all
of that, and Billy gave us free reign. He said,
go through the house, go through the barn outbuildings, whatever
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you want, and we did with a fine toothcomb, looking
for models, looking for any way that he could have
yet us with a projecture, with anything like that. There
was nothing there. In fact, we made the model because
we did a documentary of UFO contact for Abliades and
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it's out there now. But what was so interesting about
that We had a model made by Wally Gentleman, who
was a special effects expert. He had worked with Francis
Ford Coppola, he had worked with so many different people,
won awards all over the place. Was the man that
did all of the model work for two thousand and
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one A Space Odyssey, and all the special effects for Kopric.
So we had him build us a model and we said, okay,
how would you do this? And he says, you'd take
it to the same location, suspend it on a very
fine monofilament line from a pole, and photograph it and
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see what happens. Well, we did, and we brought the
images back. We had them digitized, just like we did
Myers footage at the University of Arizona with doctor Michael Mayland,
and we put the two side by side and there
was no comparison. Myers craft was obviously this large thing
some distance from the camera, and our model was a model,
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and you could definitely with the digitized images see that
monofilament line suspending it.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
I actually I I spoke with someone who he was
who was trying to debunk it, and uh, he mentioned
that model and he said, uh, it was proven that
there was it was fake and there you could see
the monofilament line, and that was his argument.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
We did it.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Yeah, you did it, and you told.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Her yes, yes, but we wanted to.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
Yeah, so that we wanted to be totally upfront with
everyone about what we were doing with the analysis.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Yeah, you have to do that. So there were a
lot of neighbors who saw UFOs as well. Yes, did
did any of them pictures or film?
Speaker 4 (19:03):
It was very interesting. I was talking to the postman
at one point and he ran this little tiny post
office in this burg of a place where Billy lived.
And I said, have you ever seen the ships? And
he said yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
I said, what did you think? Did you take pictures? No? Why?
What is it? I don't know what it is.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
It's scary, I mean, I thought, oh gosh. So then
we went to a farmer that lived kind of down
the hillways and he had a dairy farm. And he says,
you can talk to me if you can milk a cow.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
And I said, I can milk a cow.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
So I sat down there and I milked the cow.
I said, now talk to me.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Tell me.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
He says, I see things all the time. And I said,
do you ever take pictures of them? He says, I
take pictures of lights in the sky. But that's all
I get is lights in the sky. I said, okay,
can I see the pictures? My wife doesn't want me
to show anybody the pictures because they don't want us
to be made fun of. I mean, it was just
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so precious the way he was putting this out there.
And again, this is back mid seventies. You didn't say ufo,
You whispered it. You went to a corner of a
room and said, hey, I had a sighting. You didn't
get out there and do what we're doing now and
openly discuss it.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Yeah. Were there any film crews or any mainstream media?
Did they do investigations themselves?
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (20:42):
We brought Fuji Television in Nipon Television in many different
times and worked with them and they did their own investigation.
In fact, it was Nipon Television that helped us analyze
the movie footage because they had incredible studios over there
where they could take this eight millimeter footage frame by
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frame by frame and really examine what it was, because
in several places the craft just disappears. It just blinks
out and then blinks in and it's in a different place.
And they went through frame by frame they found no cuts,
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no edits, nothing, They would indicate any type of a hoax,
and they said, quite frankly, we can duplicate it. We
don't know what it is. But we worked with Junichiyawi
on that and he was just wonderful for bringing in
Fuji and Nippon Television to work with us there. But
in the United States at that point in time, no
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one was interested. It was really, like I said, it
was taboo subject.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Taboo, right. I did grab a few off the internet.
I wonder if you could tell me if these are
actual photos that Billy Meyer.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
Took ah the wedding cake, that's what we call it. Yeah,
this was taken towards the end of our investigation. And
the interesting thing about this object is that we had
sound from this craft. We brought the sound to Boeing
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Labs and to grow Connecticut's Naval research facility. A man
by the name of Rod Shellman did the analysis work
on the audio. He had never seen this picture, but
when he did analysis of the audio, he drew basically
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what you are seeing there on the screen a circle
with all these little balls around it, and above those
balls another set of balls around it. And he says,
I don't know what this is for but it has
something to do with propulsion.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Just from listening.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
That's just from listening to the sounds. The frequency shifts.
How they moved, he says, it's like it's moving from
from one sphere to another, to another, to another to
another in a circle.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
And he ended up drawing the ship.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
I have a feeling that that man is also psychick.
He was seeing what it was creating. Yeah, okay, what
about this one.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
Oh, this is one of my favorites. This was taken
into place called Hassambul, and there's movie footage a many
many images.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
That were taken from there.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
The interesting thing about this particular picture to me is
when we had it digitized, you could actually see the
reflection of the ground in the bottom of the craft.
It was so clear. It was just beautiful. But this
is a kill and it's got to be the windiest
hill I have ever been on in my life. It's
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a hill that just overlooks this little valley, but it
is a very steep drop off and we were up
there several times taking distance measurements, looking to see, you know, what,
how could he have done this? How did he suspend it?
If he suspended it? Of course, when we came back
and had everything digitized. There was no monofilament line there,
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there was nothing. And it was not a paste up,
you know, one like a glass plate where you put
one image on top of another.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
So this was quite.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
A series of photographs. He took photographs at Hassenboul in
the spring, summer, and winter, so we have it throughout
the seasons, and not just this craft, but Billy photographed
five different craft and we have three of them in
this area. This is a great one. This is over
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sad Leg and this is the traditional UFO. I mean
it's literally the sport model as people call it.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
It is so beautiful.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
But we call this the chimney scene because just below
that little hedge of trees is a chimney for burning
refuse outside. And when Billy took this, he took a
whole series of images as it moved across the sky,
and it would be behind a tree, sometimes in front
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of the tree, but it was always some place where
we could get measurements and really take a look at
how big the object was, which ended up being about
twenty one feet in diameter about seven meters, and we
had an opportunity to find out how far the camera
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was from the object. Because we knew where Billy had
taken the photograph, where he stood, we knew how far
the trees were, we had measured them, and we could
triangulate all of this to get the size of the craft.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Speaking of size of craft, what would be an average
size of the craft that would visit Billy.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
Most of them were about seven meters. There was one
a remote vehicle that was smaller, but most of them
were about twenty one feet in diameter.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
And these images are clear. I've got a couple more here.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
Yeah, oh yeah, okay, this one. There's actually an incredible
photograph that is very similar to this when it was
taken at the same location, but it has a Swiss
Mirage jet fighter in the same scene. This is a
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typical Swiss day. It's kind of got that moisture in
the air where you don't have a real clean clear skyline,
plus a little bit of smog and fog. But this
is another one of Billy's craft's. Yeah, and this again
was a massive hill over a valley. Nothing to attach
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that thing too, and it was out there for some
period of time. He not only took the stills of
this particular ship that day, but also movie footage, and
in one segment of the movie footage you can see
cars on a road beneath it moving.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
I'm surprised they didn't stop and get out and look
at it.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
Some people will never look up. Oh this is a
fun one. This is quite a remarkable tree. It's a
variation two ship. It was the one that originally came in.
And one of the things that we did when we
were there is, first of all, we went to the
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sites and we talked to this farmer because the tree
when we got there was no longer there. And we said,
what happened because people were putting the roomor out there. Oh,
it just vanished and the plate ins took the tree away.
So we went and talked to the farmer and he said,
that's not what happened. He said, the tree died so
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I had to cut it down. We said, okay. That
got us to thinking why would the tree die. We
brought in wild Hebrog who is they're sort of like
one of the groups that work with our Nuclear Commission,
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and they brought in testing equipment. We went to the
contact sites, including where that was. We went over sad Leg,
we went to the very first contact site and we
took measurements and every single one was hot. The gamma
radiation was pegging. And this is years after the contact began.
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We measured Billy's mopeed, it pegged. We measured his belt buckle,
it pegged, the tractor it pegged. So there was everything
there was exposed to gamma radiation that was really serious
and severe. When we asked Billy about this, he said,
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that's why they brought in the next type of craft,
because the first one had a radiation leak. They didn't
think it would affect us. It doesn't affect them, but
then their beings are on a slightly different vibration than ours,
so they were surprised when things that they got very
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close to with his craft started dying, and that's why
they took that one out of commission and put a
new one in.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Wow. Okay, then answer some questions for me on another case,
So thank you for that. You made a documentary film
about this. Yes, when did you make the documentary.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
We made them. Let's see, it was in the eighties
that we did these. Ye, in the eighties.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Likely I saw it in the eighties then, And do
you remember watching a documentary. But if somebody wants to
see it, now, are they able to do that?
Speaker 4 (31:07):
Yeah, it's available to either stream or or buy a DVD,
so you can download it and watch it. It's on Amazon.
It's UFO Contact from the Plates, a documentary and it
takes you through all of this and it has the
movie footage in it with cars going underneath the craft,
which I just I love that piece. It has the
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footage where the ships disappear, It has interviews with the witnesses,
interviews with Billy. It's it tries to encompass everything. I mean,
we did the books too, but that is one documentary.
We also did one called the Movie Footage, one on
the Metal and one on the myor Chronicles, just kind
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of an overview of the case. But we did UFO
Contact from the Plates Volume one and volume two, and
that again was we at a point where we've ran
out of things to really examine what do we do now?
Even the scientists weren't coming up with things. And when
we finally ended up taking photographs to JPL Jeff Propulsion
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Laboratory and talking to Robert Post, the senior man in
the photo lab, and he says, I can't duplicate this.
I don't know what it is, but I can't duplicate it.
What do you do with that, Margie?
Speaker 3 (32:30):
I mean it's like, well, it's evidence.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Have the messages changed over time that Billies received.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
They're more personalized now, more for him on a personal
level of what's going on in his life and things
like that. They are coming in for We need to
a continuation basically of the first messages, which are we
need to be taking care of each other. We need
to look at each other without anger, without greed, and
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all of the other things that we attach to things.
The Palladians are very concerned about us because we're not
doing the inner work necessary to really make that connection
to creation. We're not doing the inner work to make
the connection to each other. We're not realizing that the
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value we have to each other is just so tremendous.
We're not islands. We have to work together. We have
to learn to work together, and we have to learn
to communicate. And they say, we're not doing too well
at that lesson. We're improving, but not fast enough.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Yeah, I agree with that. Did they ever say anything
about consciousness, about a level of consciousness that is needed
in order in order to have contact with them. I
do know a number of people who have had contact
with Playadians, and also some who say or believe that
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they are hybrids, that they've got Plaadian blood in them.
Have the Plaadians ever mentioned anything about that?
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Do we have?
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Are they walking among us?
Speaker 4 (34:27):
In other words, they do walk among us, but not
for very long, because the Pladings told Billy they can
stand to be around us for about two hours. We
have something they call oric stinch, Yeah, great name, and
our energy is so uptight that it makes them nauseous,
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so they don't want to be around humans that much. Yes,
I can understand people this say like they're they feel
connected to the Palladians. They feel like they are a
hybrid of the Pladians. In the Early Contact notes, Simyosit
told Billy that our forefathers are your forefathers. They helped
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seed this planet, so many of us are related to Palladians.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
They have a.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
Kind of an openness towards humans where they want us
to be be their little brothers and live up to
our potential. And that's something that's really important to them,
because they say they can't do it for us.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
We have free will here. We have to make the
choices and decisions.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Yeah, that's true. Yeah, it's tough. It's tough.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
If you're not just told what to do and how
to act, you have to do it yourself because you
have free will. Yeah, that's a huge respectibility, and I don't.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
Think we can take it. I think we can do it.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
I had something very strange happened to me a few
years ago, and I've just suddenly popped into my mind
that I should tell you this, and because I want
to know if anybody else has had a similar experience.
I was meditating in my front living room a few
years ago. It was late at night, and something said
open your eyes, open your eyes and pulled my eyes open,
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literally just pulled my eyes open. And I look over
and there are in the midst of materializing seven women
and they said they were the Seven Sisters.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
And it was an amazing.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Experience, totally amazing. So has anybody else had anything like
that happened in any of them?
Speaker 3 (36:56):
I haven't.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
But one of the things that the Pladium have told
Billy that is so urgently important for us is we
get into a framework where we meditate daily because we
need that calm, inner stillness in order to make that
connection to creation, in order to make the connection to
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each other. And so by the meditation, you're bringing in
wonderful energies at the same time you're working on your heart,
you're working on your own spiritual side. Yeah, it's really important.
And they say when you meditate, you need to listen
because what's coming through in the meditation is so important.
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That's a valiant teacher there. And we have to start
looking at meditation not just as a way to relax,
you know, five minutes before bed and you sleep. Well, No,
look at as a way to communicate, because they say,
and I find this interesting that gen Z is doing
this now, not making decisions based on logic, but going
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with vibes and intuition. When you get to the point
you are relying on intuition and that inner knowledge, that
heart knowledge, then you're moving forward. And that's what the
Pladians have been telling Billie all along.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
But we have to get.
Speaker 4 (38:23):
To that space because we have to recognize each other
literally as brothers and sisters, and we've got to recognize
all of those civilizations out there as part of that
saying brotherhood and sisterhood. It's all there for us, but
we've got to do it on our own.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Are you in contact with any extraterrestrials and have you
seen their craft?
Speaker 3 (38:54):
Not that I'm aware of, but oh my gosh, yes,
have I seen craft?
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Okay? Has it only been at Billi's place?
Speaker 1 (39:04):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (39:05):
Missing I.
Speaker 4 (39:06):
In fact, I've never seen a craft at Meyer's place.
I have seen a lot of phenomena at Meyer's place,
but never a craft. But in other places of the world,
in South America, Mexico, on other investigations, yes, I have
seen them, both daylight and at night. I live in
northern Arizona. I heard your guest earlier is from Sedona.
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I live up the hill from him, and we have
a beautiful mountain. And one night I was traveling with
my parents to go to California, and we were going
to a funeral and my mom and I looked out
the window at the same time and saw this massive ship.
And of course we're screaming at my dad, the engineer,
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and saying stop the car, and finally he did. He
pulled over a load of eighteen wheelers pulled over behind us,
and we all got out look at this amazing ship
with little red and white orbs flying around. Then they
flew up into.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
It and we all stood there.
Speaker 4 (40:10):
Three and a half hours later, we got back in
the car and went, wow, what happened?
Speaker 2 (40:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (40:21):
Yeah, time there?
Speaker 4 (40:24):
Yeah, and the poor trucker behind us, Oh my god,
is scarce the hell out of him? He just didn't
It was like I didn't see that.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
What was it? I don't That was terrible. What happened
to my time? I'm late? I mean he just was frazzled.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
Oh boy, yeah, yeah, I've hit I've had truckers tell
me about missing time and some elevated or accelerated time.
Oh where they had something strange happened and all of
a sudden they are four hours early to their location
and there's no way they could do that. Yeah, yeah,
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that's it's the Phenomena's fascinating. It's fascinating. It's interesting. And
of course you work with Shirley McLean. Have you ever
been with her and had anything like that happen?
Speaker 3 (41:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (41:23):
Actually I've been on my way to visit her and
came up missing seven hours, made a drive from Arizona
to California. But yeah, she and I've had some fascinating experiences.
She has a place in New Mexico and one night
we were sitting in the hot tub and we looked
at him, what on earth is that? And we were
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watching an earth fairy just dance around the trees and
I mean both of us and my husband was there too,
and he's We're all going, wow, what is that? Well,
we tried to talk to it, saying to it, we
just wanted it to come closer, but then it did
play peekaboo behind the tree. It was the most amazing experience.
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But we've seen things out there in New Mexico with her.
One time, for her birthday, we took her to Mexico
because we were in the middle of investigating the waves
of activity down there and she wanted to see what
was going on. And there's a place that we called
Camp Marco and it's right under.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
Popo Ca, capital the volcano.
Speaker 4 (42:32):
So we get down there and we say, how do
you feel about camping out on the side of an
erupting volcano. Hail bop was overhead, the volcano's going off,
and we spent the night under that volcano watching the
most amazing things in the sky. Yeah, it was so Yeah,
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We've had a lot of fun experiences. And Charlie and
I are like sisters. We argue, we debate, we have
great times together. It's she's just a very special person
in my life.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
That's that's awesome. I can feel her vibes from here.
She's good stuff, good stuff.
Speaker 4 (43:17):
Yeah, ninety one and going strong, getting ready to make
another movie.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
Yeah, Oh my goodness, Oh my goodness. Well she's so talented.
Oh my gosh, one of my favorite actuallys.
Speaker 3 (43:33):
Yeah, I got so.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
Many comments in here. Yeah I'm not I'm not even good.
Some of them I can't put up there. Nope, never mind,
we're not going there. Okay, Hey, it's a good thing.
We have the ability to to watch this sort of
thing and they don't just pop up right right. So
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what is next for you? Do you have anything on
your radar? Are you going to go back and see
Billy or what?
Speaker 4 (44:09):
I don't know if I'll get back to see Billy
this year. But I am working on two new books.
I still like to write books in threes, three at
a time for some reason. I'm working on two new books,
one with my chiropractor I'm very much into natural health,
and one on Mexico and some of the events took
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place down there.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
Oh that's awesome. So yeah, is all of that information
on your website?
Speaker 4 (44:41):
Not yet because I haven't finished them, but it'll be
there when I finish them. But all of the other
books that I've written are up there.
Speaker 3 (44:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
Okay, okay, So let's uh, why don't you tell us
a little bit about some of your books. What was
the first book you he wrote?
Speaker 4 (45:03):
Well, it was actually volume one UFO Contact from the Plates,
Volume one, and that was written back in seventy six.
And then we did volume two, and then we contributed
to Light Years with Gary Kinder, who was an attorney
that reinvestigated our investigation.
Speaker 3 (45:23):
And then.
Speaker 4 (45:25):
Yeah, this year we put those two books together and
brought them out together for everybody, and they are being
very very well received.
Speaker 3 (45:34):
I just won award. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (45:37):
But I've been working with attorneys on books, doctors on books.
Doctor Mark Mincola, I worked with an autistic young man
and just had a great time writing with him. My
favorite book, I would have to say, I have two.
My husband's book Expeditions, it's about his time in Ecdor,
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and the other one is the book I did with
Danette Wells. It's called Another Step Up the Mountain and
it just won the Best Book Award for Sports at
the International Book Fair. And it's incredible. It's a very personal,
deep story. This woman, her life was really something. She's
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climbed the Seventh Summits. She's a sports adventurous she's just
been everywhere and done everything. And her son sort of
followed in her footsteps, and he unfortunately died in a
sports activity. And how it set her back and what
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she did to come out of it is just phenomenal.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
Oh, that's incredible. So writing, obviously, obviously you do.
Speaker 3 (47:01):
I do too.
Speaker 2 (47:03):
I've constantly working and publishing and now publishing other people's books,
and I find it to be fascinating to read the
experiences of other people. Is Billy Meyer married.
Speaker 3 (47:22):
Yes, his family's first wife.
Speaker 4 (47:25):
He divorced. He had three children with her. Gilgamesha, Atlantis,
Mathusalem were his children. He and Kelly Opei had a
falling out, which I understand.
Speaker 3 (47:36):
I get it. Their house was overrun with people literally
beating on the door at three o'clock in the morning
demanding to talk to Billy. Oh, it was outrageous.
Speaker 4 (47:48):
We saw some of the most ridiculous things going on
there and trumpling the gardens and it was a mess.
She finally had her fill, she left. Yeah, and she's
angry at Billy. She's now decided, despite the fact we
have her on camera saying this is what I saw,
this is what happened then, and all the experiences she had,
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she now says it's a hoax. But she's mad at Billy,
So I get it, and I don't have a problem
with it. But he has remarried Ava. They have a
daughter and a son, and Atlantis is the only child
from the first marriage that is still really close to
his dad, and in fact he lives there at the farm.
Speaker 3 (48:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (48:35):
But character, Yeah, oh unique kid. Let me tell you,
he really has some amazing energy given to a child.
Speaker 3 (48:51):
Yeah, he does.
Speaker 4 (48:52):
He painted a picture for me of the UFO that
he saw as a kid, and it's this yellow with
the big orange sphere.
Speaker 3 (49:02):
In the middle. Just beautiful.
Speaker 4 (49:04):
But yeah, it's I think he's probably going to follow
in his dad's footsteps.
Speaker 2 (49:12):
Why do you think so many people, the skeptics have
to debunk every single thing they see without doing any
investigation themselves.
Speaker 4 (49:25):
Well, sometimes I think it's out of we have to
make this go away. We don't want it to be real.
It'll interfere with my life. But I think there and
I hate to say this, but back in the day,
there was a lot of competition in the UFO groups
fighting for material and who got what, and a lot
(49:48):
of people got mad at us because we refused to
turn the material evidence over to any UFO group. We
went with it when it went to a laboratory. We
maybe said it all the way through, and we really
ticked off a lot of people. But that was okay
by me because I wanted a thorough investigation. Lee wanted
(50:10):
to throw investigation. Both of us have backgrounds as investigators.
Doesn't matter if it's a murder, one, counter espionage work,
an investigation of anything. Even if the UFOs is the
same same criteria.
Speaker 2 (50:29):
Well it has to be otherwise it wouldn't be credible, right, No,
I lost you.
Speaker 4 (50:41):
There, Okay, if you can hear me, I'm going to
(51:26):
leave the studio and try to come back in.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
I'm sorry folks that somehow I got knocked out of
stream Yard. And well it looks like Britt was knocked
out too. Maybe she'll come back. We just have a
few more minutes in here and some people, I don't
(51:59):
know what your problem is, but I'm going to ban
you from the from the comments, you're not gonna be
able to come back in. So, yeah, she's trying to.
Speaker 3 (52:11):
Know.
Speaker 2 (52:11):
We've both got knocked. Yeah, you know what happened there,
But still going. So we've got about five minutes left.
Is there anything that you would like to share?
Speaker 4 (52:27):
Just that there are so many stories, there's so much
information out there right now. Everybody kind of be open
to it, be discerning, listen to it. But no matter
what it is, you're going to learn something from it.
So be not necessarily all embracing, but listen. Said, hear
(52:53):
what people are saying, share your experiences. Don't be afraid
to do that. There's so many people out they're having experiences,
and the only way we're going to learn is if
we share here and listen to what each other has
to say. And right now I think that that is
so urgently important because our government's holding hearings, but they're
(53:18):
leaning into fear. I think we can get a lot
from each other, more than we can get from the government,
by just listening to each other and by listening to
shows like yours, because Margie, you've got a great program
and you cover such a diverse group that it makes
(53:38):
it interesting. If people will take the time to tune
into things like that, they're going to learn so much
and it's uplifting.
Speaker 2 (53:50):
And thank goodness, we have people like you who are
serious investigators and get the facts and then write about
it so that we can all see it, see what
the truth is. So thank you very much, and thank
you for coming on the show. I appreciate it, and
I'm sorry for the mix up with the timing and everything.
(54:12):
We got it done.
Speaker 3 (54:14):
So so that's important, I think. And my voice failed up.
Speaker 2 (54:18):
Yeah, well, thank you so much, and I hope you
come back again sometime.
Speaker 3 (54:25):
I would be happy to thank you.
Speaker 2 (54:28):
Okay, all right, Well that's that's a wrap for today.
We will be back again next week. Hopefully our timing
will work and we won't get knocked out of the broadcast,
So we'll see you next week.
Speaker 3 (55:10):
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