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Speaker 1 (00:03):
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Good evening everyone, I'm Margie k. Welcome to inex News.
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doctor Gregory Rogers. He comes forward to share what he
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witnessed at Cape canaveral years ago that turned out to
be ETIG technology. Doctor Gregory Rogers has served as a
flight surgeon within the Department of Defense since nineteen eighty four.
He was initially stationed in West Germany during the Cold
War days. As part of his duties, he assisted during
the deployment of the nuclear pershing to interregional ballistic missiles
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to West Germany. He was solo certified in the Tai
but also flew the UH one Huey, the OH fifty
eight Scout, and the AH one Cobra Attack helicopter being
attached to NASA for support of the Man Spacelight program.
He supported thirty one Space Shuttle launches, fourteen landings at
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Kennedy Space Center, and numerous rescuing contingency exercises at KSC.
He authored the trans Oceanic Abort Landing Summary and the
Kennedy Space Center Shuttle Landing Facility Support Documents for Department
of Defense flight surgeons for their possible operations to rescue
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and treat the NASA astronauts. The book which we are
going to talk about this evening was released on August
twenty first, and it's available at Amazon. Welcome to the program,
doctor Rogers.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Well, I'm very pleased to be here. It's an honor.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Well, thank you so much for joining me the sea
and of course Aux Media recently published your book, and
of course we're going to be discussing that tonight, and
so I think what we should start with is a
little bit of your background. How did you first of
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all get interested in medicine.
Speaker 5 (04:21):
Well, actually I wasn't originally interested in medicine. I wanted
to be a pilot, so I tried to get into
the Air Force ROTC, but my eyes were not suitable
for that. So I went on to college, got accepted
to medical school. Then when I was in medical school,
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I found out, you know, they have special rules for
flight surgeons. You don't have to have the perfect vision
because you went to medical school. So when I found
that out, I decided I want to be a flight surgeon.
I went through flight training and I ended up supporting
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operations in West Germany first, and then I was the
Chief of Aerospace Medicine at Cape Canaveral for the forty
fifth Space Wing, which included Patrick Air Force Bace, Cape
Canaveral Air Force Station, the Eastern Space and Missile Center,
and the Eastern Missile Range. In those duties, I had
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to support space of operations along with NASA. So I
got my NASA certification as a flight surgeon and got
involved in a whole lot of stories.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Oh, I'll bet, I'll bet you've got a few you
could share with us.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Well, why don't we just pick one? Then, why don't you.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Share with us one of the most interesting stories you've got.
Speaker 5 (06:01):
Well, this was one of those very strange things that
happened when you're in third world countries. I had gone
to purchase some postcards and I was going to mail
them because I was in the nation of the Gambia,
so I had some relatives and I thought, they're never
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going to be able to get postcards from the Gambia again.
So I purchased eight of them, and I ran out
of the local money that they have the Delossy. Well,
as soon as I started to leave, the owner of
the shop got very upset and said, oh no, you
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must buy postcard stamps. You bought postcards from me, I
must sell you stamps. And I said, well, you know,
it's not that big a deal. I'll just get him
at the hotel and he said, oh no, you can't
do that, you know. I just sort of blew him off. Well,
I went back to the hotel and exchange dollars for
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more to Thelossy, and while doing so, I said, hey,
I want to get eight stamps and he said what
kind of stamps? And I said, postcard stamps. I have
eight postcards. I just need eight postcard stamps. And he said, oh, well,
we have many different kinds of postcards you can purchase.
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And I said, well, no, I don't want the postcards.
I just want the stamps. And he said, oh no,
in the Gambia you must buy stamps where.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
You buy the postcards. And I said, well I didn't
do that, so you know, slap me on the rest,
but let me buy eight postcard stamps. Well, he would
not let me do it.
Speaker 5 (07:57):
So I was going out into the street and there
was this pushcart guy that was selling cigarettes and he said,
I have cigarettes, even American cigarettes.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
And I said, look, I don't smoke. I'm not interested.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
The only thing you could have that I would be
interested in was postguard stamps. Well, this little boy jumped
up and ran over to me and said, my uncle
he has stamps. And I said, okay, postguard stamps and
he said yes. And I said, but I don't want
to buy the postcards. He said, yes, yes, that is good.
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Come to my uncle. So he led me across his
dirt road into this small, little dirty shopping area. And
as we went through, he went all the way to
the back and there was a gate leading back behind
the shopping area. Well, so as I saw that the
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gate was going back to where there wasn't anybody there.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
I said, hold it a second, I'm not going to
go with you.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
About that time, two guys with machetes stepped out from
behind me, and this guy's uncle came over and he said,
you don't want stamps, you want cocaine. And I said, no, no, no,
I don't I do not want cocaine.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
And he said it is the best cocaine. It comes
from Colombia. I said, look, I don't care where it
comes from. I do not want cocaine.
Speaker 5 (09:35):
I don't even want postcard stamps right now, I need
to go. And he said, oh, but it's the best
cocaine you ever tried. I said, look, I've never tried cocaine.
And he said, oh, try it.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
You'd like it. You'd like it.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
And these people are circling me now. So I decided, man,
this is get worse by the second. So I decided
I would raise the stakes. There were a lot of
European tourists that were there, and so, you know, hassling
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European tourists in Africa may not be that big of
a deal. But I raised my voice real loud and said,
I'm an American military officer with the United States Air Force.
I'm here to support space Shuttle operations. I am supposed
to meet my comrades across the street at the hotel,
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and they're waiting for me.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Now I must go.
Speaker 5 (10:36):
So I pushed aside the two guys with the machetes
and walked through them, thinking, oh Lord, don't let them
have guns. As I started to leave, the cocaine guy
came up and he said, I do you favor? You
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do no favor for me? What favor you do me?
And so I was just trying to get rid of him,
but he was following me. So finally I pulled out
a five dolossy bill, which was the equivalent of like
fifty cents, and so I handed it to him and
said this is the only thing you will get from me,
so you take it and leave. So he smiled real
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big and took the five dolossi bill and said, you
my friend, you my friend, you come back. I sell
you cocaine. He turned around my back. I was moving.
I wasn't running, but I was moving as fast as
you could without running. So I got back to the hotel.
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The next day we were going into Banjul, which was
the capitol, so I made sure that having learned my lesson,
I went to a shop. I bought eight new postcards
and eight new postcard stamps.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
All but you did.
Speaker 5 (11:58):
I didn't want anything more to do with two guys
with machetes and somebody trying to sell me cocaine.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
You know that that is one of the riskiest things
when you're in a foreign country, is to go off
the beaten path for a tourists. Toura should never do that.
I've done it myself. I will never do it again,
because sometimes you get in a situation you don't know
if you're.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Going to be going back. You don't know if you're
getting back on the boat or anything.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
Now, when I got to that gate, I said, no way,
I am not going through that gate.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
Nobody knows where I am. I could disappear. They never know.
I am not going through that gate.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
So that's a story that sort of sounds funning now
when other people hear it. It's still not real funny
from my standpoint, But it certainly was not funny at
the time it was going on.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
No no indeed, So you sir, is a flight surgeon
with the Department of Defense since nineteen eighty four. Until
when until nineteen ninety five till ninety five, and then
you were working until you recently retired.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Correct.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
Yes, I was the medical director at the McAllister Army
Ammunition Plan for fourteen years.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
When I started, I was a Department of the Army civilian.
But during the course of the time that I was there,
they decided to try to do a new thing.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
So they tried to take all of the.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
Civilian medical officers and put them under the Defense Health
Agency that would be above any of the branches, and
that way, if the Army needed somebody, we could take
one of these guys and give it to the Army
if the Navy needed one of those guys that had
given to the name. Now, as soon as I heard that,
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I said, that is going to be a complete failure.
The Army, the Navy, the Air Force, Marines, and especially
the Navy wants to do everything totally different from everybody else.
You are not going to get these people to accept
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doing things the Air Force way or the Army way,
because everything in the Navy had to be done the
Navy way. So it's still a mess. It's going to
be a mess for years. But at least when I retired.
I don't have to deal with it anymore.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Oh well, yes, that's good.
Speaker 6 (14:46):
I'll be.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Okay. So we've got a few pictures here.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
I'm just going to throw this up and I'll let
you talk about them.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
Okay. That was when I was in Germany. That's a
UH sixty with the third Infantry Division. At the time
that I was starving in that unit, we were protecting
the inter German border. So as we flew along the border,
we could see the East Germans and the Soviet military
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on the other side of the fence. So it was
not a question of what are we here for. All
we have to do is look across the fence, and
we could see Soviet troops with Soviet missiles, tanks and
everything else. So we wanted to make sure that when
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they looked across the fence to our side, they saw
our helicopters or tanks, our missiles and so forth. A
lot of people say, well, the Cold War wasn't really
a war.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
Yes it was.
Speaker 5 (15:56):
There were people dying all the time in a lot
of ways that the government never fully explained. So I
knew of people who died performing missions in East Germany
that their families were just told they died in a
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training accident, and so because of the nature of the event,
the families were not even given purple hearts for the
deaths of their loved ones.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Oh dear, that's sometimes our government does bad things.
Speaker 5 (16:40):
Well, when your war, everybody does bad things. Yeah, this
one was me and bez Aldron. When I originally wrote
the Space Shuttle novel Impact, he read it, he contacted
Hugh Harris, who was the head of public affairs at
Kennedy Space Center. He knew some people who knew me,
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And next thing I know, buzz Aldron was calling me
and he said, you know, I really like your book.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
I've got a book.
Speaker 5 (17:11):
Coming out in about three or four weeks. How would
you like to do a joint book signing with me? Well, naturally,
I said sure, I'd love to do it. So we
ended up keeping in touch for about a year and
a half. But he agreed to take a picture of
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my book and authorized me to use it to promote
the book or anything else I needed to do with it.
So buzz Aldron's great. A lot of people don't realize it,
but Neil Armstrong was the first one to put his
foot on the moon. But they wouldn't have gotten back
if it weren't for the fact that buzz Aldron saved
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their lives. When they got back into the lunar module,
one of the levers had been broken, and it was
the lever to ignite the ascent engine. So that's how
they were going to get off the moon. When they
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talked to the NASSA people at Houston, they said, what's
the work around on this? And well, there is no
work around. We never imagined anything like this. Well, buzz
Aldrin ended up saying, you know, I can take my pin,
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and you know, if I moved the housing, I think
I can slide my pin in there and close that circuit.
So while they're counting down ten nine, eight seven, he's
standing there with his pin and when they get to zero,
he punches that closes the circuit, the engine ignites, and
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they leave the moon. If that had not closed, they
were not coming back from the moon. Oh my goodness,
Neil got the first step that thes Aldron saved the lights.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Uh huh, brought them back home. Absolutely, absolutely. Those are
the stories you don't hear about. Okay, what about this one?
Speaker 4 (19:23):
Okay, that one.
Speaker 5 (19:28):
Is the Space Shuttle support program plaque that they gave me.
You probably can't read it under the flag, but it
said flag flown aboard Space Shuttle. They told me this
particular flag was flown aboard Atlantis and was in space
for more than three million nautical miles. And then as
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I was leaving the Space Shuttle program, they presented.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
It to me very nice.
Speaker 5 (19:59):
Again, every doesn't everybody have a flight I don't own.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
By a Space shuttle.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
No, no, they don't.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
Okay, this is me in this flight jacket.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
But this was another one of the things that they
presented me.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
This is.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
Sort of a small statue of the Space Shuttle, and
you know, it's it's really beautiful to look at. The
picture doesn't do it justice, but on the wooden pad
that it's holding on, it says that it's dedicated to
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me for my vital services to the space program.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
So you were very involved with the space program. You
did a number of things, many many things. Most people
do not get as anything done, things done in one
lifetime as you did. And then nineteen ninety two something
really happened to you.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
Yeah, so that's I mean, that's really changed, right.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
So we are what we're going to do is We're
going to take a break and when we come back,
we're going to hear the story from doctor Gregory Rogers.
And you do not want to miss this, so please
hang out.
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We'll be back right after this.
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Now, a little technical difficulties there, but we're back with
the unexed news our MARGIEK and this evening we are
speaking with doctor Gregory Rogers. He is a whistle blower
and he is going to share with us right now
what happened to him at Cape Canaveral in nineteen ninety two.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
Okay, well, I was the chief of Aerospace Medicine, so
one of the things that I was responsible for doing
was checking the medical facilities and the safety of all
of the facilities that we had on Cape Canaveral. Most
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people were in compartmentalized security, so if they worked in
two buildings, their security would only let them go to
those two buildings. The idea of compartmentalization security was that
we didn't have people from one area of the base
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going to another area of the base in learning secret
information that they were not authorized to have or didn't have.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
A need to know.
Speaker 5 (25:04):
So there were three new operations that had been recently upgraded.
Even though the Air Force owned Cape Canaveral Air Force Station,
the primary contractor was EG and G. Now, for people
who know the military, they know EG and G is
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involved with a lot of stuff. Well, this particular day,
an escort was going to take me to three different facilities,
show me how the operations had changed, what they were doing, and.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
Then I was going to leave.
Speaker 5 (25:46):
So we went to the first building and everything seemed normal,
went to the second building, everything seemed normal. Went to
the third building and everything seemed normal. Going in, So
we went into this clean room. So I had to
put on this hair bonnet, put on uh rubber gloves,
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wear this heavy lab coat, and then put non electrostatic
booties on my shoes because even while you were walking around,
if you created static and touched one of the electronic parts,
you could potentially do damage.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
So uh, I got.
Speaker 5 (26:30):
The tour through through that area, saw what all was
going on, and everything seemed fine. So as he and
I exided, the E G and G escort was doing
this all the time, so he just whip and he said, okay, Doc,
I'm out of here.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
He had all of his stuff done.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
Well, it took me a little bit longer to get
my gloves off, hang my lab coat up, take my
little booties off. So I was maybe one minute behind him.
But because of that, as I walked out of that
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preparation room, I walked into the hallway and there was
a gentleman who was standing off to my right.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
He was a.
Speaker 5 (27:23):
Major in the Air Force, and from the details on
his uniform I could tell he was a space launch guy. Now,
I was a flight surgeon at Patrick Air Force Base.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
We had two full.
Speaker 5 (27:38):
Time flight surgeons and then we had a third flight
surgeon that would help out whenever possible. But we were
supporting eighteen hundred people. So we were doing flight physicals
on everybody. We were doing space launch physicals on everybody,
and then providing routine medical care, and so we saw
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a lot of people come through. And you know, if
all I did was a flight physical and then turned
him loose. And it's a year and a half later,
you know, I don't remember him, but having been the doctor,
he remembered me. So he said, hey, Doc, I've got
something to show you. I said, okay, what is it.
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He said, I've got something that even you have never seen,
and he held his finger up just like that. Well,
I believe the reason that he said that was I
was talking about compartmentalization. Because of my security clearance and
the need for me to see what all was.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
Going on in the facilities all over the cape.
Speaker 5 (28:50):
I could actually go into about eighty percent of the facilities.
There are facilities that I still wasn't authorized to go
into that I can go into the vast majority of
the facilities, and most people couldn't. So he said, come
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in here and let me show this to you. So
he took me into this little office. He shut the
door and locked it. There was these loovers on the windows,
and so he closed the loovers as well. So I'm
starting to think, you know exactly what's going on here. Well,
he sat down at his computer station. There were four
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computer stations in this office, and so he sat down
at the third one, which I assumed was his. Well,
he turns on the computer, he turns on the console,
and he's working all this stuff, and he's really excited
to show me something. Well, he finally gets the screen
up and he says, here it is. So he moved
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one seat over to the left and I sat down
in his seat that I could see the computer screen,
just as I'm doing right now.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
Well, when I looked at the screen, I was very surprised.
Speaker 5 (30:09):
It looked like a regular flight hanger that would be
common anywhere in the military. However, what was in the
hangar was not at all usual. It was a disc
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type craft. It was twenty foot wide, it was about
eight to ten feet tall.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
There was a small dome on the vertex of it.
Speaker 5 (30:44):
Mask came up out of that, and then attached to
the mass were threembillicals that went off out of sight.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
So I looked at this.
Speaker 5 (30:58):
And said what on earth are we doing with a
craft like this? And he said, well, I can't really
tell you. I said, well, where did we get it?
And he looked at me and this is exactly what
he did, which is where the name of the book
comes from.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
He said, we got it from them to Space. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (31:24):
So I said, well, I certainly would not expect that
any normal aircraft would be made in this configuration. Well,
there were two guys off to the left that looked
like engineer types, and there were three guys to the
far right and they looked like they were in taivek suits.
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So I'm sitting there looking at this, and all of
a sudden, this sort of bell goes off, and so
it's like, okay, everybody clear, We're about to start our
testing now.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
Then this vehicle, uh was pearly white.
Speaker 5 (32:09):
The surface of it looked perfect.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
There were no scenes, no rivets.
Speaker 5 (32:17):
Uh, there was no pedo tubes, no propulsion, nothing at
all that I would consider an emblem of a normal vehicle. Well,
standard as I'm as I'm watching this, all of a
sudden it becomes active and these electromagnetic discharges start occurring
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all around the vehicle.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (32:45):
As soon as I saw that. Uh yeah, I was
really shocked. As that continued. There were some other characteristics
that I saw that I do not feel comfortable describing,
and so I've not described them to anyone.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
And the primary reason is that.
Speaker 5 (33:09):
Even though on the screen it showed no degree of classification,
I'm watching a flying saucer operating. So if I had
clues as to how this vehicle was functioning, and I
told that to people, and subsequently more advanced vehicles, we're
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using the same kind of techniques. By me telling what
I saw, I would inadvertently give way clues for the
more advanced craft. And I'm a loyal American. I don't
intend to give anything to anybody that would be negative
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to the United States of America.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
So I can't really described that.
Speaker 5 (34:01):
But what it did do was that it just lifted
up three feet off the ground and it was just
as smooth as a feather with a light breath. If
I'd not been directly looking at it, I don't know
that I would have even noticed the motion. Now, on
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the beams, there were horizontal rectangles from the twelve thirty
to two thirty position, the three thirty to five thirty position,
and later I saw that it was at the six
thirty to eight thirty position in nine thirty to eleven
thirty position, so circumferentially around the beam, there were these rectangles,
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and as soon as I saw him, I immediately thought, oh,
this is an experimental craft, because you put markers so
that you can follow every motion. At the three o'clock,
six o'clock and nine o'clock position, there were three vertical
black rectangles, and so I.
Speaker 4 (35:13):
Was looking at these, and this was kind of blowing
my mind. Well, all of a sudden it began to rotate,
just a smooth noe.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
No.
Speaker 5 (35:32):
Detected motion, except that I could see these rectangles moving well.
As the twelve o'clock position moved over to where I
could see it, I could see that right on the
beam it said US Air Force above that there was
an Air Force flight insignia. So I was already shocked.
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Now I'm more shocked to I'm seeing, you know what.
Speaker 4 (36:04):
To me.
Speaker 5 (36:04):
As soon as I saw this, I thought, we are
reverse engineering some some craft that we recovered at some point,
and now we're trying to make it work. So it
rotated clockwise three and sixty degrees, went three hundred and
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sixty degrees counterclockwise. It moved to the left, it moved
to the right, it moved forward, it moved back, and
so it's just like they're going through basic control mechanisms
to make sure everything's working. But then something it did
something really peculiar. So if if this was.
Speaker 4 (36:53):
The vehicle, you can't see that very well. If this
was the vehicle, all of a sudden it raised it
snows to.
Speaker 5 (37:01):
A forty five degree position. Now, then if it were flying,
that would be a forty five degree angle of attack.
But it wasn't flying, it wasn't moving. Now, I flew
attack helicopters, Hugheya's T thirty eights and F sixteens, so
I'm familiar with aerodynamics. For all of the vehicles that
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we had available, there was no craft that could go
to a forty five degree angle and remain motionless. Now,
then in a helicopter, if you're sitting and hovering, you
can change the angle of the rotor disc. But as
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soon as you do that, you're going to create a
thrust vector the opposite direction, so you're going to start moving.
This thing obtained this forty five angle of it tack
and had not moved one centimeter from where its center
of mass had risen from the floor.
Speaker 4 (38:09):
So I'm really just totally shocked at this. Well, just
about that time, there's a knock on the door and.
Speaker 5 (38:19):
Somebody says, hey, why is the door locked. Well, the
major that was sitting beside me reaches over real quick
and punches the button, turns off the computer, turns off
the screen, and says.
Speaker 4 (38:33):
Don't tell anyone I showed you this.
Speaker 5 (38:37):
Well I'm sitting there thinking you just showed showed me
a stinking flying saucer.
Speaker 4 (38:43):
Who would I say that to.
Speaker 5 (38:46):
Well, he goes over to the door and opens it,
and so the other three officers from that office come in.
One's a lieutenant colonel who outranks both of us, and
then there were two captains. Well, the lieutenant colonel said,
what's going on in here? That you had the door locked.
So this other major says, well, I had this skin
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thing and I was afraid it might be cancer, so
I locked the door for my privacy, and I was
wanting to get doc's opinion on it. So now they're
all looking at me. Now, that screen did not show
any degree of classification. It did not show a location marker,
a time marker, a date marker, so it was a
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completely clean screen. Now I'm looking over at this, if
there had been anything that had definitely stated classified, I've
got to report this guy. But as I'm looking at
these guys, if this major saw it, the lieutenant colonel
probably showed it to him, and the other two guys
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probably saw this as well. So I'm going to have
to report all of them. I'm going to have to
go to their chain of command and say, oh, they
just showed me an unauthorized video of a flying saucer.
I'm going to have to go to the security people.
I'm going to have to report a security violation, and
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that's going to start a whole big chain of events.
But also I'm going to have to go back to
my colonel and telling him, Sir, I don't know how
to tell you this, but while I was at the CAPE,
this guy showed me a flying saucer. So I turned
them all in for a security violation. So there's a
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security investigation going on. Their chain of command is taking
care of it that their chain of command went through
our chain of command and all the way up to
the general. And so if I told that to my
colonel I said, I also had to report me. So
probably in the few minutes, you're going to get a
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call from the general and he's going to want to
know from you what I was doing looking at a
flying saucer. So all of this through my mind, you know,
just very rapidly, and so I decided, you know, I'm
going to do what the astronauts, the pilots, the commercial pilots,
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and you know, all the other people that have seen
these things did in the military, because you didn't talk
about this in nineteen ninety two. So I just said,
it wasn't cancer. I got to go. I got to
get back to.
Speaker 4 (41:40):
My clinic. So boom, I booked.
Speaker 5 (41:44):
It out of there, got in my car, drove thirty
miles down to Patrick Air Force Base, and by the
time I got there, I decided, I'm not saying nothing
to nobody.
Speaker 4 (41:54):
I didn't even tell my wife about this.
Speaker 5 (41:56):
For fifteen years, oh wow, the entire time I was
with the Department of Defense, I did not tell anybody.
But on April thirtieth of this year, I retired from
the Department of Defense. So on the fourth of May,
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I had a podcast and revealed this story.
Speaker 4 (42:29):
And when I did it, just blew up all over
the place. And next thing you know, just just like
three days later, Newsweek is running an article about it.
The New York Post has an article about me.
Speaker 5 (42:47):
There's articles all over the world, and all kinds of
stuff is going on, and I have to say that,
you know, I've been very surprised that just exactly what
all has happened. Since I said that, I went out
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to Contact in the Desert, which is a UFO convention
out in California, and so I had mentioned my book Impact.
It was very important to me because I wrote that
book because the NASA managers would not allow the Space
Shuttle crews to take up repair kits in their Space
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Shuttle orbiters, and so if their orbiters became damaged with
the thermal protection system, they had no way.
Speaker 4 (43:37):
To fix it.
Speaker 5 (43:38):
And so I wrote a book to emphasize the fact
that we've got to have a repair kit. Well, that
was the book that buzz Aldrin contacted me about. Well
eight years later, the Columbia was damaged.
Speaker 4 (43:59):
At the time of launch. There was a hole.
Speaker 5 (44:02):
In the reinforced carbon carbon on the leaving edge of
the left wing, and when they tried to come back
down from space. The twenty three hundred degree temperatures just
burned right through that left wing and we lost the
Columbia and her crew. Well, we lost that because nobody
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was paying attention to my book that I wrote in
nineteen ninety five. Actually a lot of people were. I
had a book signing with Jim Level Junior. There was
a guy that was in the loe C the Loss
of Orbiter Entry Capability, and he came to me and
he said, I'll tell you, Major Rogerson, your book is
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my worst nightmare. When we discuss what could happen that
we lose another crew. The discussion you have in your
book is probably why that would happen. Well, eight years
after I basically predicted that this would happen if they
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did not send up a repair kit.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
Why do you think they didn't send them repair kits up?
Why do you think they didn't do that? Why do
you think they didn't send repair kits up?
Speaker 4 (45:21):
Space and politics.
Speaker 5 (45:24):
Every ounce was valuable when you're launching a space shuttle.
So if you were going to put say a seventy
pounds repair kit on, you're going to have to take
seventy pounds of something else off.
Speaker 4 (45:40):
And so there were always.
Speaker 5 (45:44):
Universities and companies wanting to send up experiments. So Nasid,
I believe, did not want to tell a company we're
taking your oops.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
Uh up, you're muted, You've got there.
Speaker 4 (46:04):
We go okay.
Speaker 5 (46:05):
Yeah, So I talked about this at Contact in the Desert.
Ten days after I came back from Contact in the Desert,
I got an email from the publisher of Impact that said,
we no longer want to print your book.
Speaker 4 (46:24):
We do not want to publish it. We don't want
to distribute it.
Speaker 5 (46:27):
All rights are reserve back to you, and you.
Speaker 4 (46:32):
Know, have a good day.
Speaker 5 (46:34):
So my book just died right in front of me
ten days after I got back from Contact in the Desert.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
So well, we're going to fix that with with an
X Media. We will be republishing that book shortly.
Speaker 5 (46:49):
Yes, So I appreciate you doing that. And so then
people said, uh, you know, you've got to write a
book about all of this. Well, I did end up
writing a book, and I took the title from what
the guy told me.
Speaker 4 (47:06):
We got it from them.
Speaker 3 (47:08):
There it goes, and I hot off the press.
Speaker 5 (47:12):
Yeah, I'll tell you did a fine job Margie and
putting that together.
Speaker 4 (47:18):
So I'm very proud of that.
Speaker 3 (47:20):
Thank you.
Speaker 5 (47:21):
But as you know, we had trouble getting that book published.
On your computer, it disappeared and you said, hey, Greg,
send me another copy of the manuscript. I've lost my Well,
when I went on my computer at the same day,
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I had lost it from my computer.
Speaker 4 (47:45):
However, being a.
Speaker 5 (47:46):
Little bit paranoid, I had made five copies on five
different thumb drives that I held in five different locations.
So I got one of my thumb drives, put it
back on, send it to you, and we finally were
able to get the book out.
Speaker 3 (48:04):
But we got it done.
Speaker 5 (48:05):
It seems like somebody didn't want that book published exactly.
Speaker 2 (48:10):
Somebody didn't and uh so, needless to say, it's in
multiple locations in case it ever drops off of Amazon,
but we will be publishing that in other locations too,
So uh the information about the book and doctor Rogers
is on unexmedia dot com if you want more information
about that and another thing that's happened that's occurred Doctor
(48:35):
Rogers that I did not tell you about yet. I
don't think when we spoke on the phone last I
heard some noises in the background that weren't from us,
and so I know my phones are tapped. My cell phones,
my I know our Comcast system is. We've actually caught
them were at handed several times messing with our Comcast
(48:57):
wires outside Exfinity, and so you know, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (49:02):
What they're good to.
Speaker 2 (49:04):
Everybody knows about UFOs now, and the Pentagon says, hey,
it's real. There's there are unidentified flying objects. We don't
know what they are. So you know, this is perfect
timing for you. In nineteen ninety two, you couldn't have
come out.
Speaker 3 (49:18):
With this book.
Speaker 2 (49:19):
Oh but now now it's okay.
Speaker 6 (49:23):
Yes.
Speaker 5 (49:24):
I think the biggest key is that, first of all,
there was the release of the FA eighteen Sooner super
Hornet videos where the pilots are seeing them visually, they're
seeing them in forward looking infrared, they're identifying them, they're
tracking them. The radar ships supporting the Carrier Strike Group
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are recording those, and then they were released to the
New York Times, and then Congress finally decided, you know,
we're going to get to the bottom of this.
Speaker 4 (50:03):
Well, when people have asked.
Speaker 5 (50:06):
Me, you know, do you think you're going to get
in trouble with this, well, I reply this. When I
joined the military, I swore to protect and defend the
Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
Congress is part of the federal government. Congress and the
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congressmen and women have said, we want people to come
forward and tell their stories. So this is an authorization
from one of the constitutional elements of what the United
States government is. So, especially when I saw David Grush
(50:57):
give his testimony, it was very compelling. But at one
point he said that he knew of people who had
seen reverse engineered craft, but they were not willing to
come forward and speak before Congress. Well, he could not
do anything else. He had heard about it secondhand. Well,
(51:18):
as I was sitting there thinking, I thought, well, shoot,
I saw one. I can come forward and confirm what
David Gresh has said.
Speaker 4 (51:30):
Because I saw it.
Speaker 5 (51:31):
So I can't confirm all of this stuff David Gresh
has said and what all he's seen, because his level
of security about those elements were far above mine.
Speaker 4 (51:47):
But when he says, look.
Speaker 5 (51:50):
There are people who saw a reverse engineer spacecraft, I
can raise my hand and say, look, I'm one of
those people.
Speaker 4 (52:00):
I can testify to that.
Speaker 5 (52:02):
So that's what I've been doing in all of these
different podcasts.
Speaker 2 (52:08):
And hopefully you'll be testifying before Congress before too long
about that as well. Hopefully I do have a contact,
so I am going to be sending him for your
information as well, and maybe maybe that'll do some good.
Speaker 4 (52:25):
Well, if they invite me, I will speak. If they
don't invite me, I won't.
Speaker 3 (52:30):
But you'll keep talking anyway, So.
Speaker 4 (52:32):
I'll keep talking anyway.
Speaker 2 (52:33):
It's getting out there to the public, and that's that's
what people need to know. And the one thing that
I am curious about is if in nineteen ninety two
the US Air Force had that technology that they got
from them. Okay, as you said, but how many of
those craft now have they now perfected and are in
(52:54):
our skies and are being misidentified as UFOs?
Speaker 5 (52:59):
Okay, well, first of all, I would want to clarify
something in my mind, having worked with all of the
defense operations and the support corporations and defense contractors, I
want to remind people that the air forces never build
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an airplane. When the Air Force wants an airplane, they
will give contractors the information for what we want them
to build, and then the contractors have the technology to
build the new aircraft, and then when they show it
to the Air Force, and it is suitable to join
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the Air Force inventory, then we purchase it from them.
The vehicle that I saw that day in nineteen ninety two,
I do not believe was in the US.
Speaker 4 (53:57):
Air Force inventory.
Speaker 5 (53:59):
I believe it was owned probably by either corporation or
maybe a consortium of.
Speaker 4 (54:12):
A different contractors. For instance, if we build.
Speaker 5 (54:19):
An F twenty two, well, we're going to give uh,
you know, one contract to Lockey, We're going to give
the engines to General Electric, We're going to take all
of these different elements that for the avionics, we're going
to give that contract to Raytheon. So every time we
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have a military craft, it has been built and operated
by multiple contractors before it was ever turned over to
the US Air Force. So this is what the contractors
were doing in ninety two. How far they have progressed
(55:08):
since then, You know, I would only be able to speculate.
Speaker 2 (55:16):
Oh my goodness, I've got so many more questions for you.
We will have to have you come back. And thank
you so much for being on the show this evening
and explaining your story. This is just fascinating and amazing,
and thank you so much for allowing me to publish
the book.
Speaker 4 (55:35):
And well I appreciate you doing man.
Speaker 3 (55:40):
All right, well we will.
Speaker 2 (55:42):
We're getting it out there, lots of press releases, lots
of shows that you're going to be doing.
Speaker 3 (55:46):
You were just on coast, so yeah, I was on
next morning.
Speaker 5 (55:51):
In fact, yeah, I was supposed to be on a
conversation with Cheryl, but it seemed like George did most
of the talking.
Speaker 3 (55:58):
Well that's okay, that's that's what George does.
Speaker 4 (56:01):
It's yeah.
Speaker 5 (56:03):
So he's George Nori, so you know he can do
whatever he wants.
Speaker 2 (56:08):
Yeah, and so yeah, you've done a lot of big shows.
Speaker 5 (56:13):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (56:13):
Your uh information is at unexmedia dot com. We've got
a page just for doctor Rogers on that site, so
if you want to know more, just go to unexmedia
dot com. Thank you so much, doctor Rogers, and we
will be in touch.
Speaker 4 (56:29):
Okay, it was a real pleasure.
Speaker 2 (56:32):
Okay, all right, everybody, that wraps it up again with
a big, big story this evening.
Speaker 3 (56:39):
Thank you for joining me, and.
Speaker 2 (56:40):
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Speaker 3 (56:47):
We'll see you next week.