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August 25, 2025 • 56 mins
In this interview, Jason Albertson talks about a UFO under or near Saddam Hussein's palace! Jason is a decorated U.S. Army veteran, seasoned investigator, and dedicated educator known for his unwavering commitment to service-both on the battlefield and in the field of public research. Over a 10-year military career, Jason earned distinction as a Sergeant, receiving the Bronze Star for valor under enemy fire and the Presidential Volunteer Service Medal for his extensive contributions to community development and education. His military background includes critical leadership roles as a CBRNE (Chemical, Biological, Radiological, Nuclear, and Explosive) Specialist, Hazmat Control Officer, and Communications NCOIC. Jason directed large-scale training operations involving over 5,000 troops, managed more than $5 million in military assets, and consistently demonstrated exceptional adaptability under pressure. His deployments to Iraq, Germany, and several U.S. bases established him as a key figure in both operational readiness and mentorship within intelligence and chemical defense units. Following his military service, Jason returned to Northeastern Pennsylvania, where he continues to serve the public as State Section Director for MUFON PA Area #3. In this role, he has overseen and closed more than 80 UFO investigation cases. He has been featured on Ancient Aliens (Season 19, Episode 5: "The MUFON Files") and News Nation for his work surrounding recent UFO sightings in the region. Jason's rare blend of government expertise and field investigation makes him a credible voice in the realms of national security, unexplained aerial phenomena, and civil preparedness. As the Lead Field Research Officer for Project Contact, a public speaker, and host of the Galactic Family Podcast, Jason actively promotes transparency, interdisciplinary dialogue, and collaboration between veterans, researchers, and experiencers worldwide.

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
It's time for the unexed News News. Extraterrestrials, time anomalies,
dimension dimensions, remote viewing, UFOs, UAPs and USOS, ghostly encounters, abductions, Bigfoot,
and more and more, your end of the week news

(00:25):
source for everything everything unexplained. Here is your host for
the unex News podcast, Margie K.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
Hello and welcome to unex News. I'm your host, Margie K.
On this interesting Friday night, A lot has been going
on lately. I want to share a couple of new
things with you. We do have this new book that
ONX Media, just published by Derek Smith. You may know

(01:07):
Derek because he has written quite a few articles for
Unox magazine and they're always very good. Well, he has
written a collection of horror stories Fiction horror Stories, and
the first book has been published and it's available at
Amazon if you go to Amazon directly, or you can

(01:30):
go to unex Media and get more information on that.
And then to add to our adult coloring book set,
we have this new one, the Paranormal Coloring Book, and
there aren't that many out there, so I thought, yeah,
we needed to add this to the mix. We have

(01:50):
three others as well and they are designed. I use
them in my remote viewing classes. They're designed to get
you into a meditative state. So if you have trouble
meditating or just want something to chill out and calm down,
adult coloring really works well. So do check that out.
And then I've got some news. Next week, we have

(02:14):
a new show coming on the X It's called moofon
Midwest and it's about UFOs in the Heartland and we
have got some great speakers and great guests lined up
for that. I will be the initial host, but we
may have other hosts or co hosts in the future,
so looking forward to that. We'll be on Tuesday nights,

(02:37):
right after Weeds of Wisdom, so six pm Central Weeds
of Wisdom seven pm Central moof on Midwest. And the
first one, of course, is a good one. It's Fred
Zooey is going to talk about some of the very
interesting cases in Nebraska, and of course there have been

(02:59):
a lot there. Another item I want to mention is
I have been getting in the past few years a
lot of reports of winged cryptids. Now people from all
walks of life are seeing these things. And I just
got another one from Puerto Rico where a well actually

(03:20):
more than one person, but the witness made the report
and he said there were actually two pterodactyls, and he
said they had the crest on the head, the feet
sticking out, the wings. Everything screamed pterodactyl and nothing else.

(03:41):
And he and his wife were there with a group
of people and they said they were flying very low,
only two three hundred feet above them, totally silent. They
did not flap their wings, and they were just gliding
on the wind, on the wind currents next to the ocean.
And they just watched them for a while, gliding, and

(04:04):
then they went down behind the tree line together and
everybody in the group just looked at each other and said,
what the heck did we just see? So this just
happened recently, and I will be posting a blog about that,
of course, But there have been a number of other

(04:25):
cases around. I'd say I took my first case in
about twenty twelve, I think of a mothman in Kansas City,
And as soon as I posted a blog about that,
all of these other reports started coming in. Giant blackbirds
with huge fifteen foot wingspans. A few pterodactyl sightings, believe

(04:49):
it or not, around the Ksey area, and then I
got one in Kansas that was from the nineteen eighties.
Somebody saw a couple of pterodactyl there. There were a
couple from oh west of Saint Louis of reports again

(05:10):
two pterodactyls together, one in Independence, Missouri, just about ten
years ago. And this is my brother's sighting, and well
he's credible, he's my brother. He said he was outside
and he saw these two pterodactyls just gliding on the wind.
They did not flap their wings. So, you know, I've

(05:31):
got the book Wing Cryptids out that talks about some
of that, but the more recent ones are not in there.
So I'm really thinking about writing a book on the
pterodactyl sightings and mothman sightings, anything that's a that's winged,
that looks like, you know, it could be something interdimensional.
Because my thoughts on this is that these creatures are

(05:55):
interdimensional because no one's ever found one dead or alive,
no one's ever captured one, and it just seems that
it kind of stands to reason. Of course, there are
a lot of people think Bigfoot is an interdimensional creature,
and I'm one of them. There's a lot of evidence
to support that. People have seen them actually walking into

(06:15):
trees or walking into a portal that appears and then
they disappear. So why not some of these other creatures
that are what we call cryptids because we don't really
know exactly what they are or how they appear and disappear.
People see them, sometimes they get photos of them, sometimes not.

(06:36):
But so if you have seen anything like that, any
kind of weird cryptid, well crypto of any type I
want to hear about, but especially the wing cryptids, please
send me an email to Margie K eleven eleven at
gmail dot com. Okay, that's Margie K eleven eleven at

(06:59):
gmail dot com because I would like to include some
other stories in an upcoming book about that subject. So
do let me know if you have seen and here
we have Fred Is in the chat, of course, he says, Hey, Margie,
exciting to talk about these four move on cases here

(07:19):
in Nebraska. Two cases of triangular crafts fifty feet away
from the witness, and a major siding with two USAF
security guards. Wow, Fred, this is going to be a
good show on Tuesday, so I'm really looking forward to that.
Now our guest tonight, he's not in yet, but I'm
going to go ahead and read his bio. He's actually

(07:44):
doing another show right before this, and then he's going
to pop in. My guest tonight is Jason Albertson. He
has been on the show before quite some time ago.
He's a decorated US Army veteran, seasoned investigator, and dedicated educator,
known for his and wavering commitment to service both on
the battlefield and in the field of public research. Over

(08:07):
a ten year military career, Jason earned distinction as a sergeant,
receiving the Bronze Star for Valor under Enemy fire and
the Presidential Volunteer Service Medal for his extensive contributions to
community development and education. Following his military service, Jason returned

(08:28):
to northeastern Pennsylvania, where he continues to serve the public
as State Section Director for Mouffon PA Area three. In
this role, he has overseen and closed more than eighty
UFO investigation cases. He has been featured on Ancient Aliens
Season nineteen, episode five, The MoveOn Files and Nation for

(08:52):
his work surrounding recent UFO sightings in the region, and
right on Q Jason just appeared Welcome to the program.

Speaker 3 (09:04):
I just appeared. How do you doing today, Margie.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
I'm doing great. Thank you for joining me tonight. I
just finished reading your introduction. I guess we should start
off with how did you get interested in UFOs?

Speaker 3 (09:23):
I got interested because when I was younger, I had
an experience of my own. I was sixteen years old,
and my mother and I went outside and we had
two hours of missing time from an abduction experience that
we both had at the same time. Oh wow, it

(09:47):
was by a living spaceship. Though the ship was alive itself,
it wasn't The beings inside were like they were being
controlled by the ship.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
Oh wow. Okay, that's that's a very unusual case the incident. Yes,
does your mother remember this?

Speaker 3 (10:10):
Oh yeah, she remembers. She remembers bits and pieces of
it like I do. She remembers standing there and having
these two she said little that she she didn't turn
to either side to see, but she said, these two
little children were holding my hands, and we went down
this elevator and then that's what she remembered, you know,

(10:33):
that they were taking her down this hallway. But it
was like it was a living spaceship. It wasn't like
seeing metal or like the ship was like if you
put your finger inside of your mouth, like the liquid,
the sliminess. It was alive.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
Oh, oh my goodness, it was a living ship. Was
it like breathing?

Speaker 3 (10:57):
No, not per se it was. It was almost like
the ship itself was was a lie. It was the
being like it was we're inside of it, you know,
it's it's a living creature, but we're inside of it.
But it's metal. It's like a living organic metal compound
that like it's like self healing. That's what they told me.

(11:21):
That's why they do organic metal.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
So when you say they told you so, these extraterrestrials
told you this.

Speaker 3 (11:28):
Yes, it was. It was actually a mantis race, mostly
human looking, though they had human features, but they were
like human facial features, but it was like they were bluish,
like a light bluish kin like scaly.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
Oh my goodness. Did so do you remember actually going
on this craft?

Speaker 3 (11:55):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (11:56):
Yeah, yeah, okay, And how did were you dry?

Speaker 1 (12:00):
What?

Speaker 3 (12:01):
No? No, we were actually at our house. I was
on top of the hill. We lived on top of
the hill outside of my town of Millville, like five
hundred people. And my mom said, you know, I'll let
you know, let's go outside for a cigarette. You know,
I was sixteen. My dad didn't let me smoke in
the house. And he said, you know, the only rule

(12:22):
I have is you smoke outside. I said, okay, So
I went outside and I would diobate his rules. You know,
you're gonna let me. Yeah, I'm gonna go outside. So
I went outside with my mom and we looked past.
Uh there was like like a totally open den with

(12:42):
all windows in it. There you have to go through
to get to the door on the outside. And there's
a big clock there, like this big and huge and
it's got huge hands on it. And as we're going out,
we looked at it and it's six thirty. Like great,
I got two more hours. So I go to sleep,
you know, for school. So we're outside the second I

(13:06):
had I had lit that cigarette. I looked over and
we were I was smoking, and we looked over and
I was like, oh, look a helicopter. You know, I
thought it was a helicopter. It was a big light,
but it was above the tree line, like about three
miles away from me, over the mountain, and it started
shining this light down in the forest. I'm like, oh, man, Mom, look.

(13:26):
I start laughing. I'm like, I knew it. The sheriff.
They're looking for somebody, the police, you know, they're looking
for somebody, you know, have the helicopter. I start laughing.
I started pointing at it. And as soon as I
start laughing at it, my mom looked over at it.
It went from like three miles away to directly above us. Yoh,
all we all we saw was light. It was just

(13:49):
this blinding light that was like it It didn't hurt
my eyes, but it was blinding. You know. Normally you
see a blinding light, you're trying to squint and trying
to make out the I didn't have to squint, you know,
it's just like it was blinding, but it wasn't. And

(14:10):
it was energetic. It was like in like a charge
to it, kind of like a tingly to.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
My skin, like static electricity kind of.

Speaker 3 (14:19):
Yes. And then I remember the next thing I remember,
which these are bits and pieces that I have from
doing hypnosis. Once I did the I think it's the
estes estes message.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
Estus yes est method, Yes.

Speaker 3 (14:39):
And I learned that when I went up, I was
on a table and but it wasn't a table. It
was like I was on it, but there was nothing there.
It was see through. I'm sitting there and I'm like,
I'm like, it's there, like I can't feel it, but
it's not there. It's there's nothing there, Like okay, so

(15:01):
what am I sitting on. I jump up and I'm
looking around and this is what I got from my hypnosis.
And I'm in this big room and it's all like
it's really dark in there, but I see a light
from like this hallway and it's an open doorway. There's
no door on it. It's just like this this passageway.
I'm like, okay, well I'm going that way. I must

(15:23):
see where we're at. And I put my hand like
around the corner like this, and that's when I felt
the sliminess and I'm like, oh, And I looked around
the corner, and the last thing I remember was I
saw my mom and she was at the end of
the hallway and these two gray little beings were there

(15:46):
with both hands. They had her hands like this. My
mom was just like and they went all of a sudden,
I seen the things shut and my mom went down
real quick down this tube, and I felt something pull
me back in the room and then I me and
her woke up like two hours later.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
And where were you when you woke up?

Speaker 3 (16:08):
That's the funny part. We're in the same spot. Okay,
sing exact spot. However, this is a big thing to say.
We only brought out one cigarette. I lit it at
the beginning. I saw this craft, we came, we got up,
I only had one. Two hours went by, we went

(16:29):
back inside and my mom goes up, it's bedtime. I'm like,
it's not. It's like six forty. There's no way, you know,
two hours and were She's just staring at the clock,
Like Mom, what She's like, we were out there for
two hours? I'm like, and I just started staring at
the clock and I'm like that's not possible because we

(16:53):
only had one cigarette. And I put it out. I
literally put it out when we came inside. Unless they
like stopped that moment and then you know, put it
put it back. That's the only thing I can think of.
But that's what got me. That's what got me interested
in UFOs.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
Well, I guess so that would do it. Did you
have any experiences prior to that or after?

Speaker 3 (17:22):
Uh? Prior when I was seven, I had a couple
when I was younger. My parents couldn't leave the bedroom.
They had to crawl out army style. They told me,
I got scared of this. Uh it was okay. Did
you ever see the newest movie War the World's not

(17:46):
with ice cube, but the one with the eyeballs like this,
like this technical thing that comes down and it goes
through the goes through the rooms and it looks around
and it's like an.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
Yeah with with Tom Cruise. Yes, yes, okay, yeah, that's scary.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
Now six years old. This was nineteen ninety one. I'm
in my bedroom in Millville before we moved up to
the hill. We're at this house in town and this
this eyeball with a mechanical back to it comes out
from underneath my bed, looks at me. I screamed my

(18:30):
head off. My parents run in the room and they're like, oh,
you're just imagining things, blah blah. I'm like, okay, yo.
Every night something happened, like if it wasn't me looking
over at my window and seeing like like a face
or something come past or And then years later my

(18:52):
dad goes, oh, well, we knew the place was haunted,
but you know, we didn't want to scare you. I'm like,
you could have told me.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
Oh haunted. Okay, Okay, Well, well you know what, it
seems like people who have paranormal experiences also have UFO
experiences and vice versa.

Speaker 3 (19:19):
Yeah, I've had my fair share, especially like even I
had a couple experiences when I was when I was
in the military, I was actually in Iraq. And this
is two thousand and seven to or No. Two thousand
and six to two thousand and seven. So I'm in

(19:41):
Iraq and we're doing a mission, and I'm up on
top and I have the night vision on, and it's
like this one area that we went through up near
this key West area was like the tip tip of
the let me think southwest maybe south southeast, south region southwest,

(20:08):
so southwest or northwest. I think it was northwest northwest corner. Sorry,
I'm trying to think of my my directions here. Northwest
corner of Iraq is key West. And I'm sitting there
wearing night vision goggles, and I see like this, this
swirling of this like sandstorm coming and usually, you know,

(20:28):
we we get down and we button up inside the trucks.
Well this time they told us, you know, stay up.
You know a little bit, see if see if you
can spot anything out there, maybe they're using as cover
or something. I was like, okay, well I'll stay up
so I've got the night vision on it. I'm just
seeing like these I call them like dancing balls. I

(20:49):
didn't know they were orbs at the time. I didn't
know anything about orbs. I didn't know anything about you know, death.
They definitely were not balloons because they went again the wind.
They went, you know, through through the sandstorm and then
out the other side. And I was like, what is that,
asked my commanders, and nobody wanted to say anything. Like

(21:14):
it was always like when we went in that area,
we always had something happen, but nobody wanted to talk
about it.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
Did it seem like they knew something and didn't want
to talk about it or they just really didn't know.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
I'm pretty sure the commander knew. I'm pretty sure he
knew beforehand, but he didn't want to tell us because
we were security. He would have told us that what
we were going through or what we might see. Who
knows what would have happened to some of those guys
because they they were trigger happy and I okay, yeah,

(21:48):
let's not go there.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
Well, in your time in the military, so you had
ten years. Yes, besides that one event, did you ever
hear of anyone else in the military see UFOs or
did you have any other encounters.

Speaker 3 (22:05):
I had a buddy of mine secondhand knowledge. I wish
it was firsthand. That was on a team with Blackwater.
Blackwater is a hired contract team that you can hire
to like guard assets, not military wise. These are like

(22:27):
industrial assets, like building supplies. If you're building a new base,
you'd have like Blackwater go there first and clear it
out first or something. They were like the ones that
went out and did the missions that were that were
secret and everything like that. Well, a buddy of mine

(22:48):
told me that the reason, the whole reason we went
to Iraq was not the fact of the oil. It
was the fact that Saddam actually found an intact alien
spaceship under his palace.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
Okay, and the first time I'm hearing that he.

Speaker 3 (23:10):
Was going to excavate it. The US did not want
Saddam insane to get his hands on that technology and
use it against the United States. Right, So what does
the United States do He has weapons of mass destruction? Well,

(23:32):
yes he does. If he would get a hold of
that UFO they weren't talking about. Read if you read
the fine print, it says it doesn't say what we
went in there for. It says weapons of mass destruction.
That could be anything that could be biological, technological, chemical, nuclear.

(23:59):
It was a broad range because they didn't want anybody
looking into the actual reason.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (24:07):
Okay, well, I'm I'm gonna have to really talk to
you about more about that when we're off air, because that,
honestly is the first time I've heard of it.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
Surely somebody else is talking about that.

Speaker 3 (24:22):
My buddy says that they were They were a security
convoy and they were supposed to guard Blackwater around the
area while Blackwater went in. He said he watched this
truck back up over this hole and come back outloaded,

(24:43):
oh really completely loaded up. It had something on it,
but it had a huge black tarp over top of
it after that, so they got something out of there.
I don't know, Okay, I don't know if it was
a ship or if it was alien technology. If it was,
but what I heard was it was an intact ship
with no damage. It was like it was parked there.

(25:06):
Millions of years happened and then Saddam put his palace
on top or somewhere near there. They were doing seismic
grams underneath the ground to get tunnels underneath the palace
for escape routes. They found out it's under there, then
they start digging it up and we found out about it.
Now they have weapons of mass destruction.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
Interesting, very interesting. Oh okay, Well, on that note, we
are going to take a short break and when we
come back we'll talk more with Jason Alberson. See you
in a few minutes.

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Speaker 2 (28:19):
Welcome back, everyone. This is Margie Kay with the n
NEX News and our guest this evening is Jason Albertson,
and boy, we're talking about some interesting stuff tonight, your
own experiences and of course UFO's in the military and
I just found out something new new to me. Anyway,

(28:40):
how well known is this, Jason, Has anybody been talking
about it?

Speaker 3 (28:45):
I'm the only one who's been talking about it. You're
the only one so far. I've told it on spaced
out Radio, I've told it on your show, my show,
and maybe one or two others, but not very many
people have known that. But you have to read the
fine print of why we went in. It's not it

(29:05):
doesn't specify. It just says weapons of mass destruction that
can be anything.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
It certainly could it certainly could.

Speaker 3 (29:16):
You know.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
One of the subjects that you sent me, and of
course we named our broadcast the same thing after it
is are UFOs a danger to the military?

Speaker 3 (29:31):
And are they?

Speaker 2 (29:32):
And why do you think so?

Speaker 3 (29:35):
They're a danger to there are a danger to operations
that put them in jeopardy. And the way I say
that is you've got UFOs in the area. Okay, of
course you're going to send up fighter planes, right but

(29:57):
once those fighter planes are up in the air, that's
that's an escalation, not just from us, but you know
you have fighter planes in the air. We're escalating now,
So what do they do they escalate? You know, there
has been unfortunate accidents of UFOs that have come dangerously

(30:18):
close to planes, jets, military aircraft, and it's more the
military needs to worry about it than civilian And the
reason being is the military is hunting them. Civilians are not.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
True true, so they're much more likely to get close
and to have a problem. Obviously, Oh yeah, that would
be the case. What do you know of any cases
where there were injuries or crashes that were caused by UFOs.

Speaker 3 (30:58):
There was a couple that I can recall. Let me
think if I can get one off the top of
my head here, Mandel, I want to say, Mandel was
his last name. He was a pilot, and let me
see if I can Mandel. I think he was a

(31:22):
pilot that went up and was actually chasing one and
he got up to a point and it wasn't It
wasn't the fact that the UFO did anything wrong. Okay,
his plane couldn't handle it. He kept he kept going farther, up, up, up,
up up. He was chasing this UFO all the way
to space if you could. But eventually your plane can't

(31:45):
handle it. So yes, they did label it as a crash,
but it was more on He could have turned around,
but he wanted to go after this thing. So it's
more like the military has to worry about their own pilot,
in their own like they're going to make decisions up there.
It's going to put themselves in jeopardy just to get

(32:06):
a kick out of it. And I know this. You've
got military guys that go out there just to join
the military to go to war and you know, whatever
else they want to do. Me, I was more like,
I'm want to stop this from happening. You know. It's
it's not about that. But if you're in the military,
it's all operational security. What what what is in your

(32:30):
what is in your area of operations? And if there's
something in there that they're having trouble identifying, they're always
going to consider it a threat first. Once they identify it,
then they can determine and downgrade from there. But it
seems to me that it's always threat based first before

(32:50):
it's intelligence based.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
I witnessed personally a couple of years ago along with
my assistant in my own office. We heard a very
loud noise, ran outside and saw an F eighteen fighter
jet very low to the ground, maybe two hundred feet
right above the trees, right next to my office. One

(33:16):
hundred feet away from me, okay, And as it came by,
it turned sideways where it goes from this to this,
and it's going south, headed south. We didn't know it
at the time that there was another one way over
to our right that was on the same trajectory. And

(33:37):
then we saw them come together and the one, the
fighter jet on the right, went further south. The one
on my left was turning and it maybe it was
about a mile away by the time it got in
front of me. And at that exact moment that it
was right directly in front of us, directly south. There

(33:59):
was a u of a underneath it, and it was
huge silver but also sparkly, very sparkles with multicolors.

Speaker 3 (34:09):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
It was just going back and forth, back and forth,
back and forth super fast before and it I mean,
we're just dumbfounded, totally dumbfounded. There was not one newspaper account.
Nobody reported it to move on. I didn't see any
reports in the National UFO Reporting Center. With all of

(34:32):
these in the middle of the day, okay, middle of
a busy working day, and nobody reported this. What do
you think? What do you think? And there were definitely
fight or just fighting it, you know, trying to catch up,
but there's no way they could have caught it.

Speaker 3 (34:49):
Ninety of the time it gets shut down by the
nearest military base in that area. And what I mean
shut down is the news meeting is going to contact
them and say, oh my god, all these people seen
flying stuff, and they're going to contact the base, and
that base is gonna go, nah, that's just some weather

(35:09):
balloons we released, man, and that that news reporter is
going to be like, oh, it really and then they're
going to dismiss everything. Even though even though sometimes like
when the drone stuff happened, some of that was our technology,
but most of that was artificial. It was not technology

(35:33):
that we could do right now. But to muddy the waters,
they threw up everything we had that was technology because
they didn't want us to find out and hone in
on the real ones that were up there. There were
thousands of them. You got to hone in on one.
That's that's unusual. You know, there's a bit of a

(35:54):
speculation there.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
So well where you were where you are in pennsylvani
did you see any of those drones?

Speaker 3 (36:02):
Yes, Actually, we I investigated one in Mountain Pleasant, Pennsylvania.
That was over someone's house. That was a bus size.
She had sent me a video to move on and
it was it was it was as big as his bus,
and it was the tail end of it that she

(36:24):
got and she caught it, and it was it was
flying away. And I'm looking at this thing and I'm like,
oh my god, I'm like, that is not a commercial
drone because it's a bus like it. It literally looks
like the size of the bus up there. I mean, yeah,
you need I know, somebody will say you need three
three points, you know, viewpoints to accurately make an observation

(36:51):
on the size of an object. So I count the
trees and you know that it being tree level almost
in the video, and that's what I count as the
actual location based on how big, or to make an
assumption on the size of the object, because other than that,

(37:12):
I would have no basis for the size. Was there
any sound, No, no sound, no sound at all, which
was very weird. It had strobes on either side, but
they were not FAA regulation strobes on the sides like

(37:33):
you would say on right on planes. It was like
it was like you said, like that you saw where
it was different colors going across like this, but it
was only two different colors going across like this, like
one side to the other, just one in one, just
over here, be one over here, be one okay, and

(37:55):
you go back and forth left and right and tell.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
Me something was trying to mimic what drones should look like,
and they didn't get it quite right.

Speaker 3 (38:04):
That's another thing that I think. It's there's so much
out there that we're not entirely sure about. Because they
did as soon as there was one mystery object somebody saw,
they threw up a bunch of military drones. They threw
up a bunch of like high tech equipment, and they said, well,
this will muddy the waters so people don't see and

(38:25):
hone in on the unusual ones.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
Well, I haven't heard any final consensus on what those
things were. What are your thoughts on that?

Speaker 3 (38:37):
My final thoughts on that are that there was a
mass event that the military knew about that they didn't
think was going to happen, but they were ready for.
And as soon as now I want to make it
clear to people that there is a newly which nobody

(39:00):
probably knows, but they will look. Now there is a
newly formed ua V training unit that has been stationed
in Pennsylvania and they started three years ago. Oh really,
Toby Hannah Army Depot. There's now another section onto that.

(39:24):
They have the Air Force Air Squadron UAV training unit
up there now and that started three years ago. So
I wonder where all these UAVs came from.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
Uh huh uh huh. Well that's good to know. I
didn't know that either. I'm learning a lot from you tonight. Uh,
Pennsylvania has a history of UFOs, of being one of
the major hotspots in the United States. Do you have
any ideas about why that is.

Speaker 3 (39:57):
The biggest the big thing that I've come to realize
about energy, magnetical anomalies, energy lines, and and crystalline crystalline

(40:18):
rock structures. Okay, now you're looking for quarts. You're looking
for crystal because it holds a high vibration. So at
that point, you're also looking for crystals in an area
with high vibration with a huge magnetical anomaly. You can

(40:38):
get them through the USGS, the US Geological surveys they do.
They do magnetical surveys of the United States, and you
can look up a map of the magnetical anomalies of
all of the US, and you could see all the
purples and pinks and red in like certain spots, and

(41:01):
you're like, that's where the magnetical anomalies are. But then
post all the UFOs they're all around those areas.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
Do you have some particular places in Pennsylvania that are
more prevalent for UFO sightings?

Speaker 3 (41:20):
Most of them happened around the mountain area, around Appalachian
Trail area, southern Pennsylvania, mostly mountains. Most of our really
really solid cases happened down by Pittsburgh. ME think there

(41:44):
was one in Susquehanna Valley. We had the Susquehanna Valley
flap that happened I believe in ninety seven. There was
a huge flap of UFOs that happened over Pennsylvania, and
then there was there's just a bunch. Now. If you're
looking though, you want to see like magnetical anomalies, that's

(42:07):
where you want to go. The most magnetical anomalies. Where
you're going to find quartz or some kind of crystal
that has a high vibrational content.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
Well, I think there must be a connection to that
as well. There are some locations in South Missouri and
Arkansas where there's a large amount of crystals, and also
going siding with that large numbers of UFO sightings. Of
course we can speculate what that's for energy for their

(42:41):
propulsion systems or whatever that might be.

Speaker 3 (42:46):
It is a perfect energy source, Margie, because if you
if you take an underwater river and you run it
through an underwater mountain there underground and under a mountain,
and it's got a vein of quarts all the way
through it, and you have a pressurized water system, you're
it's a quasi electrical effect. You're creating electricity through the

(43:10):
pressure of it going through that quartz.

Speaker 1 (43:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
Yeah, And then of course courts magnified energy ample amplifies it.

Speaker 3 (43:21):
All right.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
Lots what military training taught you about unknown threats?

Speaker 3 (43:31):
Say, the biggest training that I got would be the
just just when I was in the military. It was
all about you need to you need to know know
your enemy before they know you. And I'm not saying
UFOs or the enemy or anything, but if you want

(43:51):
to know them, put yourself, try to put yourself in
their shoes. That's what I learned in the military. With
intelligence work. Okay, you put yourself in their shoes. They
are coming from millions of light years away, even if
they're not. If they're they're they're coming from somewhere not

(44:12):
from here, or maybe they are inner Earth, you know,
who knows. But they have better technology, they have better resources,
they have there there. They seem to be more loving,
caring than us. So it's like the intelligence factor. That's
that's where it gets me, because that's what got me

(44:35):
into what I'm doing now. Like at the end of
my career, I was in the two oh fourth Military
Intelligence uh Aerial Reconnaissance Battalion and it was all about intelligence.
But that's what got me into the into the UFO

(44:55):
topic because I'm like, I put myself in their shoes,
and I'm like, they can't hear all this way. Why
would they want to hurt us if they came all
this way? You know, they're they want to see us
more than they want to hurt us. You know, they
want to they want to I guess, like show you

(45:15):
a different road to go down then what we're doing
now with the with the weapons of mass destruction we have,
you know, it's too much and who knows, they might
have went through the same thing on their planet and
they're coming down here going, dude, come on, look what
we just did.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
Yeah, well, there are some people who have had contact
with extraterrestrials and uh so this brings me to your
Project Contact Deep dive. What is that about?

Speaker 3 (45:52):
Project Contact is uh the new organization that I'm a
part of, and they they wanted me to come on
as the lead field research officer for them to make
sure that all the research in the field was done ethically, morally,

(46:12):
and I would make sure that one hundred percent of
the information, the documentation, videos, pictures, and any other documentation
is being put out. It's not being held back. It's
not being because that was my one speculation of joining.

(46:36):
I said, I will not hold back information, and they said, good,
we don't want you to.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
So the public is going to have access to this.

Speaker 3 (46:49):
It is. We are doing the first ever which it's
almost complete now, the first ever technology assisted consciousness exploreation program.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
All right, please explain further.

Speaker 3 (47:06):
Now, a friend of mine has created a device. I
call it the magneto helmet, but he calls it the Assist.
The machine Assist. Within this machine Assist is you have

(47:29):
magnetical brain wave and trainment devices. That is on both
sides of the helmet. Okay, you have two and forty
bps that is all around that is a red light
red light energetic state, and you also have inside the

(47:51):
helmet you're also having at the same time, you're having
your hemisync audio tuning that is to your brain to
one one frequency left right.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (48:06):
So the machine is basically an assist to mold your
brain waves into a single coherent strand and then meditate
from there using it'll be just a headset helmet. This

(48:31):
it's all built into it and it's it's my buddy
has tried it out once already and wow, it's some
good results already. He was.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
The purpose is to make contact, Yes.

Speaker 3 (48:49):
The purpose is for assisting. It's a machine to help
you make contact. Because some people are not monks. They
don't med it tap for eighty hours you know, a
week and all this. You know, they don't every hour
every weeking hour. You know, they don't meditate. You know
what this is. This is a machine that will be

(49:10):
for every day, everyday people that they could put on
to help them retrain their brain waves to make it
easier to make contact.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
M Yeah, it seems like it's putting them in an
altered state of consciousness fairly easily, which a lot of
people do have trouble doing. And I, you know, I
have I teach remote viewing, so I understand a lot
of my students have trouble with that. Yes, and you know,

(49:43):
there are various methods, but that seems like basically a shortcut.

Speaker 3 (49:49):
Yes and no. Now, we wanted to be a helper
but not a crutch at the same time. So my
feeling on this would be more I wouldn't give it
to somebody who Joe Schmoe down the street and says, Hey,
I've done nothing, you know, in my whole entire life,

(50:11):
and I just want to try it. You know, you
might not have a good experience. It depends you have
to train yourself too beforehand to accept what you get
out of it, because you you could get a whole
bunch of stuff out of it, but you could also

(50:33):
get nothing.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
You know. That's actually similar to some people who've tried
the ayahuasca tea or psilocybin mushrooms in order to get
into an altered state. Yes, and most of the times
it's a good experience, and sometimes it's a bad one.

Speaker 3 (50:52):
Yeah, yeah, and both.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
So yeah, I definitely want to talk to you more
about that. So don't play going anywhere after the show.

Speaker 3 (51:04):
I'll be we will be up in can't tell you
the dates, but I'll just say September October I will
be doing our first field exercise with Project Contact for
a five day expedition at Mount Adams, Washington State. We're

(51:25):
doing the UH, we're doing the underground, we're doing caves,
we're doing magnetic anomalies calling CE five, and we're testing
out our equipment.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
Wow, sounds like a little bit of everything.

Speaker 3 (51:40):
It's gonna be a big one, real big.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
Well, you should have good luck then.

Speaker 3 (51:45):
I'm hoping, so I really am. Mount Adams has all
been active like around there, Mount Rainier, Mount Adams. They've
been having these small little earthquakes happening.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
Do you think that, now that you brought that up,
we've had some earthquakes recently and a really big one
recently at a small one in Missouri today. Do you
think that there's any correlation with UFO sidings and earthquakes.

Speaker 3 (52:15):
Yes, if the planet was when the planet's in trouble,
they usually come. And I have a couple of videos
that everybody says, you know, oh, it's Ai, it's Ai.
I was like, No, that's not Ai. This asteroid is
coming in and it looks like it's gonna hit Mexico City.

(52:39):
But this little dot comes up, this little little dot,
it just like blinks in and the asteroid goes and
it goes back up like that, and I'm like, did
I just see what I saw? Right? Like? They're here?
I think because of the I think because the volcanoes

(53:00):
are waking up, it's going to be a new error
in Earth. It's the new time period. We're shifting into
a new phase on the Earth, and this phase is
either going to be extremely good extremely bad. That's why

(53:22):
everyone has to push as much as they can for
correct disclosure, not just disclosure. Correct disclosure.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
Yeah, fully truthful and accurate. That would be great, wouldn't
it exactly?

Speaker 3 (53:41):
And that's what and that's why I said, Marjorie, that's
the first thing I said Project Contact. When they came
to me, I said, I have no problem with that
at all. I'll sign whatever you need me to. However,
I have one thing. Everything is open. I don't hold
anything back all. Once it's airfied, it goes out.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
Very interesting. Where can people find more information about that?

Speaker 3 (54:09):
I will I'll send you a link, Margie to the project.
Contact Vertex Foundation. We are a well they they are
a nonprofit that we go under for Vertex Foundation, and
they are about learning, innovation and pulling together resources to

(54:32):
better to better help the planet, energy resources, fuel resources,
alternate power sources, any anything you can think of. We
even have a they have their own fabrications lab as
well in California. So o great. Yeah, so we're all

(54:53):
setting ready to go.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
And where where can people find your podcast?

Speaker 3 (54:58):
My podcast is on YouTube and LinkedIn and it is
called Galactic Family Podcast And usually we do meditations and
I have a huge amount of different guests, different backgrounds
that came on. Actually right before you, Margie, I had

(55:21):
Glenda Dawson on my podcast from Glenda's Dragon Inspirations. She
does she's a grand Master Reiki and does energy work
and healing.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
Oh awesome, Yeah, sounds like someone I would like to
talk to myself.

Speaker 3 (55:40):
She is awesome. I'll connect you with her.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
Okay, fantastic. Well, Jason, thank you so much for being
on the program. Things just flew by. You had a
lot of interesting subjects to talk about, and I'm sure
we'll be in touch.

Speaker 3 (55:54):
Oh definitely.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
Okay, alrighty, everybody that sit for tonight, We'll see you
here again next week
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