April 5, 2025 • 54 mins
Kevin Day was in the Nimitz strike group working as a radar operator in 2004 when he spotted high-altitude objects coming in that might have been a threat. This is know as the Tic-Tac incident and Kevin shares his first-hand experience and tells how his life changed because of it. Well worth watching! Kevin wrote a book about this incident so it would be on record.
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Speaker 1 (00:23):
It's time for the Unexed News News. Extraterrestrials, time anomalies,
dimension dimensions, remote viewing, UFOs, UAPs and USO's ghostly encounters, abductions, Bigfoot,
and more more, your end of the week news source
(00:47):
for everything everything unexplained. Here is your host for the
unex News podcast, Margie K.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Hello, and welcome to a next news. I'm your host,
Margie K, and we are here every Friday at six
pm Central seven pm Eastern time, and we are having
some sound issues with my guest. My guest tonight is
Kevin Day and we are going to be talking about
(01:30):
his navy. When he was in the navy, he happened
to be in the Nimitz group and he's a first
hand witness to a UFO sighting there that TIKSACS sighting.
As soon as we get his sound done, we're going
to do one more test here live Kevin and you ah, okay,
(01:53):
I can hear you, I can hear you. Your connection
is not that great. If you could connect directly to
your router, and if there are any other devices being used,
turn them off. That will help.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
And while Kevin is checking on that, I do want
to mention just a few things that are coming up,
and also a couple of books that we just published.
ONEX Media just published recently Incident in Varhina. This is
getting a lot of traction, a lot of interest. You
may have seen the film by James Fox called Moment
(02:33):
of Contact. It is about this case and Victorio Pakassini
is the investigator, lead investigator on this case, and he
has written this book along with Fernando Perez and it
is just fantastic. It's available at Amazon if you're interested
in that. And then also, of course my latest book
(02:56):
along with my assistant Violet Wisdom, and she's so our
blog writer by the way, and that is called how
to Research a Haunted House for homeowners, renters, investors in
paranormal investigators. Of course, this is a one of a kind.
There's nothing else out there like it.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Believe me.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
If you're a paranormal investigator or if you're living in
a haunted house, that might be something for you to
check out. And then finally, I'm going to be mentioning
conferences once in a while on my shows, at least
one every show that I do, because we've got some
fantastic conferences coming up and we are. The UNEXED network
(03:38):
is sponsoring a lot of these conferences and the first
one is Haunted America Conference. It's at Ghost Conference dot
net being held June twenty six, eight, twenty twenty five
in Alton, Illinois, and I will be there. The unex
Network will have a table there. Please stop by and
see us if you go to this conference. It is
(04:00):
the original Haunted America Conference. But they're the original before
anybody else was doing these conferences. They are it and
so do check that one out if you will. And
now my guests this evening. Kevin Day joined the Navy
in nineteen eighty six and was assigned to the USS
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Vincennes for his first deployment in nineteen eighty eight, right
in the middle of the Iran Iraq War. Kevin served
on six at sea commands Vincennes, Chosen, Princeton, and Moore.
Along with staff tours. He was awarded Combat Action Ribbon,
Navy Commendation, Achievement and Meritorious Service medals, even top gun
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AICs along the way. His final underway while still wearing
a uniform, was in two thousand and four on the
USS Princeton along with the Knimens Strike group, which also
turned out to be the TIC tac Ufo Encounter. Welcome
to the program.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Hi, can you hear me?
Speaker 2 (05:07):
I hope, I certainly can. Thank you so much for
joining us. You might want to get a little closer
to your mic.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
You what I have to apologize. We had a Wi
Fi issue because I went to the back room where
I'd be a lot quieter.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Oh, couldn't handle it. So okay, Well.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
I am so glad we got that straightened out.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
Because he doesn't look as nice. That's the one bad thing, but.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
It's perfect.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Well, now we know what your hobby is, Kevin. Yeah,
so let's uh, let's go back to the navy. What
what prompted you to join the Navy?
Speaker 4 (05:53):
Well, you know, in high school, I was kind of
one of those kids, you know, I wasn't uh a
job per se, and I didn't bury my hood my
head and books all day, and I was always up
in the mountains and stuff, you know, like the skiing
and rock climbing and camping and that kind of stuff
on the local search and rescue. And so when it
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came time to graduate, I said, what the heck, I'll
throw my hat in. I'll try to get a exchange
student scholarship. So I ended up going to Australia, and
I have to tell you that wet my appetite itchy
feed after that.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
So spent a couple of years.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
Messing around, traveled all over the place, ski bumb in
Colorado with Jackson o Wyoming, lived there for a while,
and finally decided to get serious and join the Navy.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
So that's kind of how I got into the Navy.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
And then I was a little bit older by then,
probably a lot wiser, so I did.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
I buckled down, did really good in my radar school.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
I graduated number one out of ninety people picked orders,
picked the Vincennes in San Diego, and went on my
first deployment.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Okay, seven eighty eight.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Now before, of course, we know we're gonna be talking
about tonight, But before you joined the Navy, did you
have any UFO sightings?
Speaker 3 (07:26):
I did have one in Jackson, Wyoming.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
My brother and Lie and I we were coming down
from Rainbow trout fishing off the upper Lake.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
All of a sudden, he drops, he slams the brake
on the jeep.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
I look over where he's looking through the binoculars, and
there was this silver disk hovering a top of a knoll,
and we both look at each other like, no one's
gonna believe us anyway, let's go home. So we just
went home and forgot about it.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Oh what most people do? I mean?
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Yeah, well a lot do, a lot do, A very
very Yeah, A small percentage, a very small percentage of
people actually report seeing a UFO, especially back then it
was not so accepted. But now, when the government's talking
about it and there are all these whistleblowers coming forward,
(08:24):
it's a it's a different it's it's not as bad
of a stigma as it used to be.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Not at all.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
You can hear people talking about it in the grocery store.
Now no one even looks at him.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Twice.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
So this UFO that you saw, this silver disk, do
you know about how big that was? Do you remember?
Speaker 4 (08:44):
If I had to guess, this would be a guest
because it was on top of a knowl and the
no was probably at least five six miles from where
we were, so I would have to guess fifty yards.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
I mean, it was it was large. It wasn't anything.
It was quite large.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Yeah, yeah, was there any sound?
Speaker 3 (09:04):
No, we were too far to hear any sound if.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
There was, okay, okay, So then you joined.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
The windows that I can recall. Of course, you have
to memory. This was back.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
This is ancient memory for me, so and I had
forgotten all about it. In fact, since you brought it
up the only time. You know, all those years on
behind the radar. I had eighteen and a half years
at sea and a lot of it was behind the
spy radar, the three D radar system. And you know,
I was a I always had a real curious interest
(09:37):
in it. You know, I used to listen to the
coast to coast am with Art Bell. So I always
had an open mind about it. But I wasn't a
UFO guy, if that makes any sense, right, that's pretty
straight stick radar operator, you know, because it was pretty
have to be pretty sober to do that type of work, right, sure, So,
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but I.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Did have an open mind.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
My first deployment and the reason why I'm going back
to the Vincenter because this is important.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
My first deployment was during the Iran Iraq War nineteen
eighty eight. We were in the Gulf.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
And they're getting it was they're getting ready to shut
down the oil shipping. It was getting that bad. So
we went screaming over there and we came under fire.
The ship did Iranian boghammers.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
And it was it was they had a right to
defend their international line.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
I have to tell you we got too close the
helicopter did, and the helicopter took shots. We went to
general quarters. They came at us US, We took rounds.
We ended up having to sink nine of them. They
counted twenty seven. They were honest. It was a day
at sea. No sailor could ever forget anyway. And if
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I get emotional, there's you'll understand why.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
An airplane.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
Launched out of Iran m HM, and it was mistaken
for an F fourteen, and you're you're previous on the start.
Thirty seven sailors died from an F fourteen, so it
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was right right in the middle of this. This thing
launched right it was mistaken. It turned out to be
a commercial airliner and it was Irenian flight six five five,
and we shot it down.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
I was staying right.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
Behind Captain Rogers, uninvolved in my first deployment. Of course,
I was doing navigation, but I whatnessed the whole damn thing.
You know, I was standing right behind him when he
turned up, stood up, turned the key.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Devastated me.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
One of my best damn friends was Iranian. I didn't
know what the hell I was gonna do. And then
I got mad. You know, it was like, this ain't
gonna happen again. No, I'm gonna stay in. I'm gonna
make damn sure. And that's what I did. And fast
forward all those years, you know, all that time. Became
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the best of the best. You know, I be sure
you might evaluations. You know, I went through top gun school,
the whole nine yard, became really good trainer. Every last
time underway on a ship in a uniform was during Tictac. Okay,
now think about this, Yeah, I do the intercept. I
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see these things coming from space, and no one would
freaking believe me. I was worried about safety of flight,
just like it pissed me off. What do you mean
you don't believe it?
Speaker 2 (13:09):
You mean, this is why that's going on?
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Live right after?
Speaker 4 (13:13):
I mean, if you were, if you were in the
strike grip, of course you saw it, right. But we
got back to shore and we tried to describe what happened.
Everyone laughed at us. Cartoons were made. We tried to
describe it. I didn't have any other word than other
than UFO. At the time, I didn't know what to
call it. It was unidentified, right, And so I got
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pissed off, and I ended up retiring as soon as
I was eligible. Got work in the Department of Defense
through a contractor. Again, I tried to raise my hand
about safety of flight in Sokel, southern California. Same thing happened,
got laughed at. I got all pissed off. I said,
you know what, screw this, no one cares. But then
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I had an idea Mark. I said, I know what
I'm going to do, just in case, Just in case,
I'm going to write a fictional story.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
This was in two thousand and eight.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
I'm going to write a fictional story, and I'm going
to change actual people's names, but I might keep the
names of the ships. I'm going to use the word
tic tac, and I'm going to describe the whole damn thing.
And then when I wrote the short story, I wrote
some other short stories with it, and I published it
in the book called Sailor's Anthology, and I published it
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in the Library of Congress in two thousand and eight.
Just in case, I went on in life, and I
forgotten about it to the best I could, which wasn't easy.
I ended up losing everything I had. I was making
good money, and I went from making over one hundred
to less than ten. I ended up living in the wilderness.
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I had lost my wife thirty years, lost all my houses.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Was that because of this UFO sockety.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
And I became obsessed with this idea that I could
find the motherlow to our family's gold mining claim. It's
been in the wilderness for one hundred years, and I
found it, but not in the way I was expecting.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
This is the beautiful part.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
I found gold, but it wasn't minerals, Although there is
minerals back there. It's something better than that. I didn't
know anything about mineralogy, nothing about geology, nothing about mining,
but I was determined I could find it. So I'd
got my master's degree as I was researching this thing
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at sax State, and I did an expedition back there,
back into the wilderness state of almost a year back
there and was looking around the rocks, and I figured
out that our mining claim was associated to a much
larger piece of geology goes from northern California to northern Washington,
and it's.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Called an opio light. And what an ophiol.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Light is is normally at pacifics in this case the
Pacific spreading nerves. You got all the hydro thermal events
laying down mineral layers. That ground is really really heavy,
and normally when it hits a continental plate, it goes
underneath because it's so damn heavy. But when it gets
stuck on top of dry land on top of the
other plate, that's called an ofiold light.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
And that's what we have here.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
And it goes down about ten miles deep into our
into the ground here, and it's absolutely loaded with minerals.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
But I knew that I couldn't never mind it. It's
in the wilderness.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
So I published my research, forgot about it, went on
in life again, and tell one day that Elon Musk
and now they're going to do the SpaceX flight around
the Moon and come home.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
They're calling it deer Moon and they're going to take
eight people. Go ahead and apply.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
You have to tell us why, So I did, I
said them my research. Four days later, I standing out
in the yard, got the picture right here, huge white
hair cleft goes right across the mountains. Does it a
circle of right around my mining claim, criss crosses the
state of Oregon, up and down northern northern California, Washington,
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back and forth, back and forth. And the cool thing
is out of that, Margie, they discovered some previously unknown
hydro thermal vents right off the coast of Seattle.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Really, really, what does that tell you that?
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Well? Aren't those associated with volcanoes?
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Tsunami?
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Tsunami thermal vents?
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Okay, well there's if it's thermal.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
If it's thermally active, then you've got active fault line there,
which they now know about. That's why Chief Seattle wouldn't.
The Native Americans never lived there because they knew that
about every three hundred years that water rises up. And
the last time that happened here, we called it the
Cascadia earthquake event. And that do you figure? It happened
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three hundred and thirty years ago, and it happens about
every three hundred years, So we're overdue.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Isn't that where the tsunami went all the way to Japan?
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (18:26):
From that uh huh, yeah, goodness.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Ancient one. This is three hundred years ago.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
This type of geology that I'm talking about, mixed volcanoes explode. This,
I mean, this is a this is a major deal
when it goes. Okay, I'm sorry I get emotional you guys,
because it's you can tell I'm not lying, right, it's
quite all right.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
That's understandable given everything that you've been through.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
You know what I'm not.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
Please don't misunderstanding, Murray, I'm I'm not someone sitting there
here complaining. I thought an incredible journey.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Oh yeah, yeah, it sounds like you got.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
I lived through it because there were some dicey moments.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
I have to tell you, I've got a few media assets.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
I got started drinking too much at one point. I
didn't even realize it was becoming an alcoholic. That's kind
of how it works, right, But that gud I woke
up and I've been sober for going on I don't
even know how long, now, four or five years.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
That's good.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
I don't even think about it anymore.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Good is this?
Speaker 4 (19:35):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Is this the limits here?
Speaker 3 (19:38):
I can't see that. I can't see the whole number
on it, but yeah, it looks like it to me.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Okay, so that's not your ship.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
You had a ship close enough for government work.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Go ahead, right, And then what is this?
Speaker 4 (19:53):
Oh, that's a that's the nineteen eighty eight crew from
the Vincennes when we were on our way home from
the Gulf. And that's me on the right hand side,
with the left hand and with the backpack.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Over their shoulder. And we are in Fuquet.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
All it's either Fouquet, Thailand, or it's in the longer
pool Philippines.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
I've forgotten now, No, I think that was in the Philippines.
Speaker 5 (20:20):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
And then good things about the navy.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
You get to do some cool stuff. This was when
I was on the chosen out of Pear Harbor. And
that's me on the left, and that's top good in school.
And you're in the white everyone else is A is
A is a pilot and there's only two non pilots
in the whole picture, and that's the radar controllers in
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the white uniforms.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Myself on the right, okay, yep.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
And then you sent yep.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
And that's my my uh, sister, dad, my brother ed,
myself on the left.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Looks like you're having fun at the beach.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Can give you a sense for the who who Kevin is?
You know, I'm mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
And then of course we have this.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Yep, it's rotating. Look at that, dude, it's rotating. Yeah,
that's that's not the that's not the go fast that's
the other one, the gimbal. Yeah, this is amazing. This
story is amazing, isn't it? What happened? He really is?
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Why don't you give us a quick rundown of what
happened that day? And then, uh, and let us know
if you heard from the pilots at all during that.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
We were we were getting ready to go. When I
say we're I'm talking about the NINT Strike Group, No,
I was. I was already had already been on the
Princeton for I was getting I already had orders to
go over to Commander Naval Airpack Pacific when the STRAT
Group got back into port. So this was actually my
last time on the ship underway, and by this time, Margie,
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I was a senior trainer and my job now was
to evaluate the watchstanders up in common Information Center because
I had to do it after action report lessons learned,
so the captain could release it and we could do
fine tuning with the crew before they went on deployment
and there were some checks in the Blox that we
had to get done to make sure that we were
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good to go. So anyway, all wrapped around that, you know,
my piece in this was the air defense. So we
were getting ready to do an air defense exercise, which
was one of the major reasons why we went to
See because during one of those, of course, you have
to embark the air wing. So now you get the
air wing involved, and they have to they go through
all their training too.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
At the same time. See, so it's a.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
Pretty complex, extremely expensive exercise, I'll have to tell you that.
So anyway, about four or five days before they scheduled,
we didn't have aircraft on the Knima yet. We started
detecting these weird these weird contacts. And when I say
they were weird, they were coming from suburth orbit and
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I'm just going to use a number that's out there already, Okay,
eighty thousand feet. They were coming down eighty thousand feet
in groups of five to ten at a time, and
then they would come down as a group and they
would they would stop right off the east coast as
Catalan Island, about ten.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Miles and they would just sit there.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
And we were out doing our thing, and I was
just watching them, you know, because here I am off
the coast of San Diego, Los Angeles. They haven't exhibited
any type of hostel in tent or anything at all,
as far as I knew, there was some type of
unassociated test someone else was doing.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Although we were.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
We were tracking them on the radar, and we were
reporting on our data links back to the beach in
case anyone did need to know about it. We were
providing the information like we're supposed to. Meanwhile, I'm doing
all the phone calls, I can, all the radio coms,
I can looking all the published information like the note
hams and everything I can look up to try to
determine what these things are, keeping a real close eye
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on them, keeping the captain up to date what's going on.
Until the day the airwing embarks on the Nimits and
we're getting ready to do this airwing, this eight X,
and all of a sudden, Margie, here comes these objects again,
and I'm getting ready to launch aircraft now, and here
they are.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
They're right in my playground.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
And meanwhile, I've been watching these things depart the larger group,
and they were one by one comb ride over the
top of us, going about between twenty and twenty eight
thousand feet, going about one hundred miles an hour. Remember,
these things could go. These things could go thousands of
feet in less than a second. So they were tracked
right above us, going super slow. And the interesting thing
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was every single object disappeared off the radar in this
exact same spot in the sky, which was right over
Guadeloupe island off the coast of Mexico.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Anyway, so we're getting ready due to the exercise.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
Captain Smith comes down to combat and said, hey, sorry,
you know, we've been tracking these things for several days now.
Your senior chief has no idea what they are. I
very strongly recommend we postpone the exercise long enough where
I can take one of the aircraft's about the launch,
go intercept one of these things and see and see
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what it is. Otherwise I have the safety of flight
on our hands right here.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
And if we don't go.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
Look and I and something happened, someone's gonna ask me
why I was so damn and curious. And he looks
at me, he says, you're you're right, Senior Chief. Intercept
vi ID. So that was it, right, there so fast
egal one launches. Happen to be Commander Fravor. We take control,
cancel the exercise. I drive him to the nearest object
that was close to us, and as soon as he
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gets in the merged plot position, which on the radar
on a two D display two pieces of symbols in
the same spot, that object went from twenty thousand feet
two zero zero zero zero twenty thousand feet down to
fifty feet above the water in point seven to eight seconds.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
That would kill a human being if there was a
human in that craft.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
It's like thirty five g or something like that.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
So he leaves his winging up high. He goes chasing
it down and as soon as he gets down to
co level with this thing, this object, whatever the hell
it was, recognized him. And you'll understand why I say that.
In just a second, it turns on him and for
lack of a better way to say, they're getting a dogfight.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
And this is Commander Favor.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
He's a former top gun instructor, thousands of hours in
his log book, right, the best of the best.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
And he starts screaming on the radio, Oh.
Speaker 5 (27:02):
My god, I'm my god, I'm engaged.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
I'm engauged just pooping his pants because he can't. It's
so far outside his his understanding of what should be
there just blows his mind. This isn't anything we've ever
were trained or had any recognition of, right, and these
are his words.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Right.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
Then it disappeared right from him. And that's what we
saw on radar. And you know I describe symbology now
each we don't track raw radar. We use symbols, right,
and each symbols is assigned a number. That way, when
I say track four four one two, you know what
track I'm talking about. You don't have to really search
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for it, right, Whatever that object was, Margie went from
where he was sixty miles north to his assigned spot
in the sky, and there was eight different spots in
the sky, and it chose his.
Speaker 5 (28:02):
Uh huh.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
They're called combat air patrol stations and carrier strike group ops.
That's how we defend the aircraft carrier. We have prepositioned
spots in this guy that are a secret. No one's
supposed to know where they are, honestly.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Not UFO craft, right, but they did for whatever.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
Reason, it went to his not clow exactly on it
long and signed altitude.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Okay, Kevin, hold that thought. We're up on a short
break and we'll be back in about three minutes, so
hang on, everybody.
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Welcome back to NEX News. I'm your host, Marjorie k
and this evening, we are speaking with a witness firsthand
to the two thousand and four and UFO encounter with
the Nimitz strike group Kevin Day was a radar operator
at the time, and Kevin, please continue your story if
(31:30):
you would.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
Yes, ma'am, kind of picking up where I left off.
So basically what happened was we ended up canceling the
rest of the exercise. Believe it or not, the ship's
actually pulled back into San Diego without ever doing the
exercise because we were worried about safety of flight because
(31:52):
now my airspace Whiskey two ninety one off Sokal was
the actual airspace wearing whiskey to ninety one to say
it's a restricted airspace. I can't necessarily keep someone out
of there, but we can warn them off.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
That's what it's a warning area.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
But anyway, these things had clobbered my and it wasn't
safe to fly, so we ended up canceling the exercise.
We pulled back into port. I transferred off the ship
and went to Commander Naval Airpact and apparently the strap
group had to go back out to see and finish
the air defense exercise before they went on deployment. Now
(32:30):
this is an interesting thing, Margie. Apparently what happened was
after I had left the ship, apparently everyone involved had
to sign non disclosure agreements. Now, for whatever reason, I
never had to sign one. I love because I left
the ship in time, or I just one of the
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puzzles of this, I just don't I don't understand.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
Apparently we.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Are questioning that's true, but this chat question is did
the men in black take your records?
Speaker 3 (33:10):
That is.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
Apparently what happened. And the reason why I have first
hand evidence as a witness is.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
Part of my job was to write after action reports.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
So you know, once we got the same canceled, I
got up the next day and I was going to
do my after action report, and in order to do that,
I had to access the computer network because I wanted
to get information about radar and electronic signals that we
had received and all that kind of stuff. And I
lo and behold, all my data was gone that I
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normally would use to write messages with. So I called
down to the computer central and the guy, the supervisor,
comes up and he sits me down and says, Senior,
I have something to tell you. And I said, what's
going on? He said, you know the helicopter you heard
last night when you were gotten in the mess interrack
getting some sleep.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
I said, yeah, I did, actually, he said.
Speaker 4 (34:03):
Well, someone came on board the ship and they they
took my data, took all of our data. Not only that,
they made me erase all the blank tapes. Oh, and
he said, but I did save one piece for you.
And I said really, he said yeah. And the reason
why that point seven eight seconds is the reason why
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I have it in my book and everything is because
that first object that Favor intercepting went down to the
surface of the ocean. He had saved that one piece
for me, that one segment, Oh, well, one of our systems,
so I could see it, but everything else was gone.
So did I actually physically see someone come on board
(34:47):
and take it? Now, But I was there and I
had to access the data, and the data wasn't there.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
So you told me, yeah, well that's pretty typical of
the MiB. And you know, that area that you're talking
about in southern California is a known UFO hotspot area.
In fact, there are some people right now. I know
of two people who have cameras set up on the area.
(35:18):
Two of them, both of them are near Catalina, and
they're on the mainland with their cameras aimed near towards Catalina. Island,
and they see fast movers, extremely fast moving UFOs moving
in and out constantly. They've got thousands of them going
in and out. Do you think there's a possibility that
there's an underwater base there?
Speaker 4 (35:41):
I absolutely do, And there's a reason. During the course
of the ten days, we lost your video. Can you
still hear me?
Speaker 3 (35:50):
Lost?
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Can you hear me?
Speaker 3 (35:52):
I can hear I answer you?
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Okay, I just lost my video completely for some reason.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
You're back. Oh in my back Yep, you're back.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Everything just went blank, and uh it's I can't get back.
I can't now. I can't see you at all. Okay,
this is really weird, Kevin, but it doesn't surprise.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Latency going on, Yeah, we do is okay. So can
you keep going? Hear me going? Keep going?
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (36:32):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
So the reason why I think there's probably a UFO
basis on the bottom of the ocean. Here's you gotta remember,
I've been thinking about this for twenty years. I had
done a lot of research, to say the least, and
I had to put some stuff together over the course
of the ten days during tic TAC. If you counted
(36:56):
up all the different groups and all the different objects
in each group, there was probably about a hundred of
these objects all together, a hundred of them. All hundred
of these things, to the best of my recollection, disappeared
off my radar in the same spot in the sky,
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about sixty miles north of Guadeloupe Island off the coast
of Mexico.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
And can you still hear me?
Speaker 2 (37:27):
I can't, so when somebody dropped me out and it
just got.
Speaker 4 (37:32):
Me who When Tom DeLong came here to interview me,
I was telling them this story, and they just stopped
and Lou looks at Thomas as we're going there. So
apparently they both went out to Guadeloupe and they talked
to the fishermen, and the fishermen kind of chuckled at
him because apparently they've been watching these things fall from
the sky and go down into the water for a long, long,
(37:54):
long long time, just like people are now seeing things
on Catalina Island.
Speaker 3 (37:59):
Same thing. Right, So.
Speaker 4 (38:05):
If you followed me here for a second, and this
is gonna sound somewhat crazy, I have to admit this,
all right, but we already know whatever the answers are here,
it's going to be kind of weird. Okay, it's going
to be kind of strange.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
Now.
Speaker 4 (38:20):
For a long time, I was thinking, why on earth
did that object that Commander Favor and Fastigal, Why did
it go to his assigned cap station?
Speaker 3 (38:32):
Why?
Speaker 4 (38:34):
What I finally figured out maybe maybe it was a
message of some kind, and that was confirmed to me
during the sokel during the film End of a Terror
in This Guy in twenty twenty two, when Caroline Corey
made the movie, we rented that one of the flat
top houses down there on Huntington Beach that you know
so well. We had New York University there and we
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had a table full of the most high tech equipment
you can imagine on this table right looking right above
Catleyan Island, and for whatever reason, they showed up for us.
We got a mind radar when we got six hundred
hours of data on these things, and that's when the
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light came on. I said, Okay, they knew my intentions
in two thousand and four because they knew I was
going to set that cap station, and now they knew
I was going to be on this roof in this moment.
So maybe they're trying to tell me something here. Maybe
they're trying to tell me that intention they knew my intentions.
Maybe my intentions is the missing piece of this puzzle.
(39:44):
Intention Uh huh, yeah, let me explain this if I can.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Yeah, please, do I know where you're going.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
Because you know where I'm going.
Speaker 5 (39:55):
I do.
Speaker 4 (39:57):
Well, let me kind of build it for people that
haven't heard before, because it does sound kind of weird
and crazy, especially if you've studied physics and the sciences. Right,
it's gonna sound stupid to you at first, all right,
and I admit that, But think about this, and it
comes down to a really basic question. And I don't
have the answer, but I'm just exploring the possibility here
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with you.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
The universe.
Speaker 4 (40:24):
Is it intentional or is it not intentional?
Speaker 3 (40:31):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (40:32):
I have no idea, But let's just say, for sake
of argument, for a thought experiment, that yes.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
It's intentional.
Speaker 4 (40:39):
Okay, Now that beans a lot of questions. Okay, let's
say it's intentional. Let's just run that through our thought
process here. Number one, what happened to the intender? Did
the intender survive its creation or did it commit a
(41:00):
cosmic suicide? Again, I don't know. Let's say the intender
of the Big Bang lived.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
Now the question is in what form?
Speaker 4 (41:16):
Is intention active or is it benign? You know, created
the universe and just committed the cosmic suicide, whereas now
benign never to do nothing again. Who knows or is
intention still an active force in the universe? Now I
have four known forces. I have gravity, I have the
strong nuclear, have the weak nuclear, and I have electromagnetism.
(41:40):
I submit to you, Margie, there is actually five fundamental forces.
Speaker 5 (41:45):
You have.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
Intention Intention is the actual.
Speaker 4 (41:51):
In fact, if you really think about it, there's only
really one fundamental force in this intention because all the
other ones follow it. And what I've been able to do,
and I don't know how the hell I did this
because I'm not a mathematician. I'm not a physicist. But
I was able to turn this thought experiment into mathematics.
Speaker 5 (42:17):
And that works.
Speaker 3 (42:19):
My math works. And it's just so weird.
Speaker 4 (42:23):
Because as soon as I was able to figure it,
formulate this whole thing in my brain, right at the
right moment in time, it seemed to me that this
little thing called AI came out and I was able
to use AI in this case chat GPT like everyone
else has, as an assistant to help me turn my
(42:47):
thought ideas my formulations that I had in my head
into actual equations, and they work. I've applied them to business,
I've applied to politics especially. I have applied them to cosmology.
There's I've plat them to art, I've planted them to music,
I've plat them to language. What I do and the
(43:09):
reason why I say they work is I'll take an
existing mathematical suite and equations suite framework, and I'll integrate
my equation suite into it, and it works perfectly like
a long lost cousin.
Speaker 3 (43:24):
And you know why, Margine, No, I don't.
Speaker 4 (43:26):
Because intention is embedded into the fabric of reality.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
That makes sense.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
I didn't have to add anything. It's already there. And
so what I did is of course, when I first
shared my ideas.
Speaker 4 (43:41):
I got laughed at because I'm on, you've seen my
email chain.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
Right, Yes, I have?
Speaker 4 (43:48):
Yeah, I mean I was invited onto an email chain
that's it's got the foremost ruled academics on it, if
you will, I mean some of them, right, Am I
wrong about that?
Speaker 3 (43:58):
You've seen it and.
Speaker 4 (44:00):
If we read some of the names and people wouldn't
probably believe it. But after I shared more and more
and more, I've gotten more and more and more of
them coming back privately and say, Kevin, I kind of
believe with you on this.
Speaker 3 (44:13):
In fact, I'm working in the lab on some of
these ideas.
Speaker 4 (44:18):
Wow, we'll think about this, Margie. If it turns out
that I'm right, think about this for a second. Two
thousand and four somehow turned into the discovery of the
fifth fundamental force.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
That's just absolutely amazing. And it seems to me though.
Speaker 4 (44:44):
I saved, we may have saved a lot of lives
up in Seattle because the tsunami threat.
Speaker 3 (44:52):
That's the goald.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
I like, what can they do about this tsunami threat?
Speaker 3 (44:57):
Put in monitoring, warning system in warning systems, in trained people.
That's about us you can hope for. Not only that
you can.
Speaker 4 (45:08):
Map out, you can map out the topology and know
exactly where that water is going to go and where
it's not going to go. Probably more importantly mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (45:18):
Right now, find out all you can about it. And
that's not the only place everyone's focused on. SoCal. I
gotta tell you, man, the Oregon.
Speaker 4 (45:27):
Coast, if you look at the sea sea bottom topologies,
we got probably worse faults than anywhere down in so Call.
I got one point right at my house that comes
extends way up from out out at sea bottom.
Speaker 3 (45:42):
Oh boy, when this thing gives man, it.
Speaker 4 (45:45):
This type of earthquake that I'm talking about, I mean
a lot of earthquakes just kind of rumble and it
causes landslides and stuff, and the knocks buildings over. Not
this puppy uhuh. It goes pap and it cleans mountains
in half. That's what we're talking about. It makes that's
casting well.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
And there's no getting away from that, and probably no
warning system either that the earth mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (46:15):
Exactly. I can give a damn like some politicians don't
same thing.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
Back to your math that you figured out, did you
put that? I don't think you put that in your
book because you just recently found that out. Are you
going to publish this information?
Speaker 3 (46:40):
That's a dicey can of worms.
Speaker 4 (46:42):
And I struggled with that for a while, like, Okay,
now how do I I'm not at a university, I
don't have grant money, no one knows who I am.
Speaker 3 (46:52):
I don't have a laboratory.
Speaker 4 (46:54):
So what I finally decided to do is I just
decided to punch it out there in my email thread
to the top academics on the planet and just.
Speaker 2 (47:03):
Go for it and just let them have at it happens.
Speaker 4 (47:06):
If I'm proven right, no one can say that I
wasn't first documented, now right.
Speaker 3 (47:12):
I took the poor man's way.
Speaker 4 (47:13):
If you could, if you would, And I learned that
lesson When I published Sailor's Anthology in the Library of
Congress back in O eight, I secretly stashed it just
in case later see I didn't do it. Does that
make sense?
Speaker 2 (47:31):
Yep, it does.
Speaker 5 (47:32):
I I have.
Speaker 3 (47:34):
I have pushed stuff to them until they begged me
to stop.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
Put it that way, they beg you to stop.
Speaker 3 (47:44):
Them.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
Question in the chat, did Elon contact you?
Speaker 4 (47:50):
No, Well that's not true. When I applied for the
Derrim Moon mission, I got one email back.
Speaker 3 (47:58):
Then I said you made the short list for the mission. Huh.
Speaker 4 (48:04):
I never heard anything else. In fact, I don't even
know what happened to. Is that still a going concern?
Ony got canceled?
Speaker 2 (48:12):
Well, who knows. They've got all kinds of things going
on in the in the background that we don't know
about until they implemented. Like it's like Elon's new plane.
Like Elon's new plane. It's just yeah, it's it's like,
what what is what is this? You know, you never
(48:33):
know week to week. Have you had any has anybody
ever apologized to you after you know, how they how
you were treated after that two thousand and four incident,
or has anybody said, uh, come forward and said, yeah,
(48:55):
I I witnessed that as well. You know, have you
had any contacts like that?
Speaker 4 (49:00):
Well, the the fellow witnesses on the ships, Yeah, they've
you know, we stay in touch you not every.
Speaker 3 (49:09):
Day, you know, but from time to time. You know,
we we're friendly and we all stay in touch. Now,
if I did have one bone to pick, it would
be this.
Speaker 4 (49:23):
I had forgotten all about this thing, okay, And I
had moved on in life, and I finally made.
Speaker 3 (49:28):
It back out of the wilderness. And you got to
remember that was pretty much flat broke at that time.
Speaker 4 (49:33):
In fact, I ended up on a friend's ranch, living
in a nineteen seventy four twenty two foot trailer that
my sister had bought me. Now, I had an income
because I was retired, but I didn't have a home
or nothing.
Speaker 5 (49:46):
I was.
Speaker 3 (49:47):
I was houseless, essentially. I'd just come off the mountain.
Speaker 4 (49:50):
And then he, you know, he had a large farm,
and he ended up leasing it to a legal marijuana grower,
which is real common here because the climate and the
Mediterranean climate here. And I was like, man, I can't
touch that. I didn't know what I was going to do,
so I went into town. I was looking for for
sell by owner and there was nothing. So I ate
(50:12):
breakfast and back on there, and all of a sudden
there was this house for sale for sell by owner
twenty thousand down fifty thousand dollars carry the note, and boy,
I tell you it was on that and then the
word park Martie is. I knew the house from when
I was a little boy, really yep. And the old
(50:33):
lady that lived there like me, and I got the
keys from escar where I walked in.
Speaker 3 (50:41):
Her ashes around the mantle. Oh my, yeah, really happened. Anyway.
Speaker 4 (50:51):
It was an old junk house, you know, no one
else apparently wanted it. Apparently back in the back in
the eighteen hundreds it was worth the slaves had lived.
Speaker 3 (51:01):
Apparently.
Speaker 4 (51:02):
I don't know if it's true or not, but but
you know, I I finally had a home, you know,
I took it.
Speaker 3 (51:12):
And then I started volunteering up the golf course.
Speaker 5 (51:16):
H and.
Speaker 3 (51:21):
Just kind of moved on in life. And I had
reopened the kitchen.
Speaker 4 (51:25):
I was carrying out a plate of food to do,
to Do.
Speaker 3 (51:28):
To Do.
Speaker 4 (51:30):
Tournament was on. Everyone was happy watching the golf tournament.
And all of a sudden CNN breaks and hear that
video is from two thousand and four playing on CNN,
and I dropped the plate. I was what what? Because
I knew where evidence was, I had evidence. I was
(51:53):
the only one that knew where direct evidence was hidden.
So I went racing home and I called Gary Warhees.
And because in the Library of Congress I had evidence hidden?
Speaker 3 (52:04):
Did it really happened? In my book.
Speaker 4 (52:09):
You read the Year you Can't? The story is the
tic Tac story. It even says the words tik tac
in my short story that I published in two thousand
and eight named all the ships.
Speaker 2 (52:23):
So the book Sailor's Anthology. How can people get a
hold of this book?
Speaker 3 (52:30):
Well, it's for free on Issue. I think I sent
you the link.
Speaker 2 (52:33):
Uh huh.
Speaker 3 (52:34):
If people go to issue dot com, it's free there.
Speaker 4 (52:36):
But if they wanted to, they could go to Amazon
or Amazon and purchase it, although there's no need to.
Speaker 2 (52:45):
Oh either way, if you if you want a hard
copy in your hand.
Speaker 3 (52:47):
I had to sign it for him. Oh what was
that in here?
Speaker 5 (52:51):
You?
Speaker 2 (52:51):
Yeah, you can get a hard copy in your hand,
or you can just read it on issue I SSUU
dot that's where you go for that. Kevin, thank you
so much for being a guest on my program. This
is just fantastic because I honestly I did not know
(53:11):
that you existed until you contacted me, so thank you
so much for doing that. Your formulas look extremely complicated,
so not being a mathematician, I will just say that
they're nice to look at. And I'm glad that you're
sharing this knowledge with the world and the rest of
(53:34):
us appreciate you coming forward and talking about that encounter.
Speaker 3 (53:38):
Thank you, Thank you, all right, Thank you so much, Kevin.
Speaker 2 (53:44):
Okay, all right, we'll see you next time. And for me,
I'm Margia k. This is unexed news and that is
it for this evening. I will be here again next
week with another great guests, so join me then. Good night.
Speaker 3 (54:02):
Each each ch
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Hello, and welcome to a next news. I'm your host,
Margie K, and we are here every Friday at six
pm Central seven pm Eastern time, and we are having
some sound issues with my guest. My guest tonight is
Kevin Day and we are going to be talking about
(01:30):
his navy. When he was in the navy, he happened
to be in the Nimitz group and he's a first
hand witness to a UFO sighting there that TIKSACS sighting.
As soon as we get his sound done, we're going
to do one more test here live Kevin and you ah, okay,
(01:53):
I can hear you, I can hear you. Your connection
is not that great. If you could connect directly to
your router, and if there are any other devices being used,
turn them off. That will help.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
And while Kevin is checking on that, I do want
to mention just a few things that are coming up,
and also a couple of books that we just published.
ONEX Media just published recently Incident in Varhina. This is
getting a lot of traction, a lot of interest. You
may have seen the film by James Fox called Moment
(02:33):
of Contact. It is about this case and Victorio Pakassini
is the investigator, lead investigator on this case, and he
has written this book along with Fernando Perez and it
is just fantastic. It's available at Amazon if you're interested
in that. And then also, of course my latest book
(02:56):
along with my assistant Violet Wisdom, and she's so our
blog writer by the way, and that is called how
to Research a Haunted House for homeowners, renters, investors in
paranormal investigators. Of course, this is a one of a kind.
There's nothing else out there like it.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Believe me.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
If you're a paranormal investigator or if you're living in
a haunted house, that might be something for you to
check out. And then finally, I'm going to be mentioning
conferences once in a while on my shows, at least
one every show that I do, because we've got some
fantastic conferences coming up and we are. The UNEXED network
(03:38):
is sponsoring a lot of these conferences and the first
one is Haunted America Conference. It's at Ghost Conference dot
net being held June twenty six, eight, twenty twenty five
in Alton, Illinois, and I will be there. The unex
Network will have a table there. Please stop by and
see us if you go to this conference. It is
(04:00):
the original Haunted America Conference. But they're the original before
anybody else was doing these conferences. They are it and
so do check that one out if you will. And
now my guests this evening. Kevin Day joined the Navy
in nineteen eighty six and was assigned to the USS
(04:23):
Vincennes for his first deployment in nineteen eighty eight, right
in the middle of the Iran Iraq War. Kevin served
on six at sea commands Vincennes, Chosen, Princeton, and Moore.
Along with staff tours. He was awarded Combat Action Ribbon,
Navy Commendation, Achievement and Meritorious Service medals, even top gun
(04:47):
AICs along the way. His final underway while still wearing
a uniform, was in two thousand and four on the
USS Princeton along with the Knimens Strike group, which also
turned out to be the TIC tac Ufo Encounter. Welcome
to the program.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Hi, can you hear me?
Speaker 2 (05:07):
I hope, I certainly can. Thank you so much for
joining us. You might want to get a little closer
to your mic.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
You what I have to apologize. We had a Wi
Fi issue because I went to the back room where
I'd be a lot quieter.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Oh, couldn't handle it. So okay, Well.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
I am so glad we got that straightened out.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
Because he doesn't look as nice. That's the one bad thing, but.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
It's perfect.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Well, now we know what your hobby is, Kevin. Yeah,
so let's uh, let's go back to the navy. What
what prompted you to join the Navy?
Speaker 4 (05:53):
Well, you know, in high school, I was kind of
one of those kids, you know, I wasn't uh a
job per se, and I didn't bury my hood my
head and books all day, and I was always up
in the mountains and stuff, you know, like the skiing
and rock climbing and camping and that kind of stuff
on the local search and rescue. And so when it
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came time to graduate, I said, what the heck, I'll
throw my hat in. I'll try to get a exchange
student scholarship. So I ended up going to Australia, and
I have to tell you that wet my appetite itchy
feed after that.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
So spent a couple of years.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
Messing around, traveled all over the place, ski bumb in
Colorado with Jackson o Wyoming, lived there for a while,
and finally decided to get serious and join the Navy.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
So that's kind of how I got into the Navy.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
And then I was a little bit older by then,
probably a lot wiser, so I did.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
I buckled down, did really good in my radar school.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
I graduated number one out of ninety people picked orders,
picked the Vincennes in San Diego, and went on my
first deployment.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Okay, seven eighty eight.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Now before, of course, we know we're gonna be talking
about tonight, But before you joined the Navy, did you
have any UFO sightings?
Speaker 3 (07:26):
I did have one in Jackson, Wyoming.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
My brother and Lie and I we were coming down
from Rainbow trout fishing off the upper Lake.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
All of a sudden, he drops, he slams the brake
on the jeep.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
I look over where he's looking through the binoculars, and
there was this silver disk hovering a top of a knoll,
and we both look at each other like, no one's
gonna believe us anyway, let's go home. So we just
went home and forgot about it.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Oh what most people do? I mean?
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Yeah, well a lot do, a lot do, A very
very Yeah, A small percentage, a very small percentage of
people actually report seeing a UFO, especially back then it
was not so accepted. But now, when the government's talking
about it and there are all these whistleblowers coming forward,
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it's a it's a different it's it's not as bad
of a stigma as it used to be.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Not at all.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
You can hear people talking about it in the grocery store.
Now no one even looks at him.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Twice.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
So this UFO that you saw, this silver disk, do
you know about how big that was? Do you remember?
Speaker 4 (08:44):
If I had to guess, this would be a guest
because it was on top of a knowl and the
no was probably at least five six miles from where
we were, so I would have to guess fifty yards.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
I mean, it was it was large. It wasn't anything.
It was quite large.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Yeah, yeah, was there any sound?
Speaker 3 (09:04):
No, we were too far to hear any sound if.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
There was, okay, okay, So then you joined.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
The windows that I can recall. Of course, you have
to memory. This was back.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
This is ancient memory for me, so and I had
forgotten all about it. In fact, since you brought it
up the only time. You know, all those years on
behind the radar. I had eighteen and a half years
at sea and a lot of it was behind the
spy radar, the three D radar system. And you know,
I was a I always had a real curious interest
(09:37):
in it. You know, I used to listen to the
coast to coast am with Art Bell. So I always
had an open mind about it. But I wasn't a
UFO guy, if that makes any sense, right, that's pretty
straight stick radar operator, you know, because it was pretty
have to be pretty sober to do that type of work, right, sure, So,
(09:59):
but I.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Did have an open mind.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
My first deployment and the reason why I'm going back
to the Vincenter because this is important.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
My first deployment was during the Iran Iraq War nineteen
eighty eight. We were in the Gulf.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
And they're getting it was they're getting ready to shut
down the oil shipping. It was getting that bad. So
we went screaming over there and we came under fire.
The ship did Iranian boghammers.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
And it was it was they had a right to
defend their international line.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
I have to tell you we got too close the
helicopter did, and the helicopter took shots. We went to
general quarters. They came at us US, We took rounds.
We ended up having to sink nine of them. They
counted twenty seven. They were honest. It was a day
at sea. No sailor could ever forget anyway. And if
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I get emotional, there's you'll understand why.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
An airplane.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
Launched out of Iran m HM, and it was mistaken
for an F fourteen, and you're you're previous on the start.
Thirty seven sailors died from an F fourteen, so it
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was right right in the middle of this. This thing
launched right it was mistaken. It turned out to be
a commercial airliner and it was Irenian flight six five five,
and we shot it down.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
I was staying right.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
Behind Captain Rogers, uninvolved in my first deployment. Of course,
I was doing navigation, but I whatnessed the whole damn thing.
You know, I was standing right behind him when he
turned up, stood up, turned the key.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Devastated me.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
One of my best damn friends was Iranian. I didn't
know what the hell I was gonna do. And then
I got mad. You know, it was like, this ain't
gonna happen again. No, I'm gonna stay in. I'm gonna
make damn sure. And that's what I did. And fast
forward all those years, you know, all that time. Became
(12:29):
the best of the best. You know, I be sure
you might evaluations. You know, I went through top gun school,
the whole nine yard, became really good trainer. Every last
time underway on a ship in a uniform was during Tictac. Okay,
now think about this, Yeah, I do the intercept. I
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see these things coming from space, and no one would
freaking believe me. I was worried about safety of flight,
just like it pissed me off. What do you mean
you don't believe it?
Speaker 2 (13:09):
You mean, this is why that's going on?
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Live right after?
Speaker 4 (13:13):
I mean, if you were, if you were in the
strike grip, of course you saw it, right. But we
got back to shore and we tried to describe what happened.
Everyone laughed at us. Cartoons were made. We tried to
describe it. I didn't have any other word than other
than UFO. At the time, I didn't know what to
call it. It was unidentified, right, And so I got
(13:35):
pissed off, and I ended up retiring as soon as
I was eligible. Got work in the Department of Defense
through a contractor. Again, I tried to raise my hand
about safety of flight in Sokel, southern California. Same thing happened,
got laughed at. I got all pissed off. I said,
you know what, screw this, no one cares. But then
(13:59):
I had an idea Mark. I said, I know what
I'm going to do, just in case, Just in case,
I'm going to write a fictional story.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
This was in two thousand and eight.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
I'm going to write a fictional story, and I'm going
to change actual people's names, but I might keep the
names of the ships. I'm going to use the word
tic tac, and I'm going to describe the whole damn thing.
And then when I wrote the short story, I wrote
some other short stories with it, and I published it
in the book called Sailor's Anthology, and I published it
(14:32):
in the Library of Congress in two thousand and eight.
Just in case, I went on in life, and I
forgotten about it to the best I could, which wasn't easy.
I ended up losing everything I had. I was making
good money, and I went from making over one hundred
to less than ten. I ended up living in the wilderness.
(14:55):
I had lost my wife thirty years, lost all my houses.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Was that because of this UFO sockety.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
And I became obsessed with this idea that I could
find the motherlow to our family's gold mining claim. It's
been in the wilderness for one hundred years, and I
found it, but not in the way I was expecting.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
This is the beautiful part.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
I found gold, but it wasn't minerals, Although there is
minerals back there. It's something better than that. I didn't
know anything about mineralogy, nothing about geology, nothing about mining,
but I was determined I could find it. So I'd
got my master's degree as I was researching this thing
(15:46):
at sax State, and I did an expedition back there,
back into the wilderness state of almost a year back
there and was looking around the rocks, and I figured
out that our mining claim was associated to a much
larger piece of geology goes from northern California to northern Washington,
and it's.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Called an opio light. And what an ophiol.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Light is is normally at pacifics in this case the
Pacific spreading nerves. You got all the hydro thermal events
laying down mineral layers. That ground is really really heavy,
and normally when it hits a continental plate, it goes
underneath because it's so damn heavy. But when it gets
stuck on top of dry land on top of the
other plate, that's called an ofiold light.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
And that's what we have here.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
And it goes down about ten miles deep into our
into the ground here, and it's absolutely loaded with minerals.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
But I knew that I couldn't never mind it. It's
in the wilderness.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
So I published my research, forgot about it, went on
in life again, and tell one day that Elon Musk
and now they're going to do the SpaceX flight around
the Moon and come home.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
They're calling it deer Moon and they're going to take
eight people. Go ahead and apply.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
You have to tell us why, So I did, I
said them my research. Four days later, I standing out
in the yard, got the picture right here, huge white
hair cleft goes right across the mountains. Does it a
circle of right around my mining claim, criss crosses the
state of Oregon, up and down northern northern California, Washington,
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back and forth, back and forth. And the cool thing
is out of that, Margie, they discovered some previously unknown
hydro thermal vents right off the coast of Seattle.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Really, really, what does that tell you that?
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Well? Aren't those associated with volcanoes?
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Tsunami?
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Tsunami thermal vents?
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Okay, well there's if it's thermal.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
If it's thermally active, then you've got active fault line there,
which they now know about. That's why Chief Seattle wouldn't.
The Native Americans never lived there because they knew that
about every three hundred years that water rises up. And
the last time that happened here, we called it the
Cascadia earthquake event. And that do you figure? It happened
(18:15):
three hundred and thirty years ago, and it happens about
every three hundred years, So we're overdue.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Isn't that where the tsunami went all the way to Japan?
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (18:26):
From that uh huh, yeah, goodness.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Ancient one. This is three hundred years ago.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
This type of geology that I'm talking about, mixed volcanoes explode. This,
I mean, this is a this is a major deal
when it goes. Okay, I'm sorry I get emotional you guys,
because it's you can tell I'm not lying, right, it's
quite all right.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
That's understandable given everything that you've been through.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
You know what I'm not.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
Please don't misunderstanding, Murray, I'm I'm not someone sitting there
here complaining. I thought an incredible journey.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Oh yeah, yeah, it sounds like you got.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
I lived through it because there were some dicey moments.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
I have to tell you, I've got a few media assets.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
I got started drinking too much at one point. I
didn't even realize it was becoming an alcoholic. That's kind
of how it works, right, But that gud I woke
up and I've been sober for going on I don't
even know how long, now, four or five years.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
That's good.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
I don't even think about it anymore.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Good is this?
Speaker 4 (19:35):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Is this the limits here?
Speaker 3 (19:38):
I can't see that. I can't see the whole number
on it, but yeah, it looks like it to me.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Okay, so that's not your ship.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
You had a ship close enough for government work.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Go ahead, right, And then what is this?
Speaker 4 (19:53):
Oh, that's a that's the nineteen eighty eight crew from
the Vincennes when we were on our way home from
the Gulf. And that's me on the right hand side,
with the left hand and with the backpack.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Over their shoulder. And we are in Fuquet.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
All it's either Fouquet, Thailand, or it's in the longer
pool Philippines.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
I've forgotten now, No, I think that was in the Philippines.
Speaker 5 (20:20):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
And then good things about the navy.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
You get to do some cool stuff. This was when
I was on the chosen out of Pear Harbor. And
that's me on the left, and that's top good in school.
And you're in the white everyone else is A is
A is a pilot and there's only two non pilots
in the whole picture, and that's the radar controllers in
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the white uniforms.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Myself on the right, okay, yep.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
And then you sent yep.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
And that's my my uh, sister, dad, my brother ed,
myself on the left.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Looks like you're having fun at the beach.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Can give you a sense for the who who Kevin is?
You know, I'm mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
And then of course we have this.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Yep, it's rotating. Look at that, dude, it's rotating. Yeah,
that's that's not the that's not the go fast that's
the other one, the gimbal. Yeah, this is amazing. This
story is amazing, isn't it? What happened? He really is?
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Why don't you give us a quick rundown of what
happened that day? And then, uh, and let us know
if you heard from the pilots at all during that.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
We were we were getting ready to go. When I
say we're I'm talking about the NINT Strike Group, No,
I was. I was already had already been on the
Princeton for I was getting I already had orders to
go over to Commander Naval Airpack Pacific when the STRAT
Group got back into port. So this was actually my
last time on the ship underway, and by this time, Margie,
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I was a senior trainer and my job now was
to evaluate the watchstanders up in common Information Center because
I had to do it after action report lessons learned,
so the captain could release it and we could do
fine tuning with the crew before they went on deployment
and there were some checks in the Blox that we
had to get done to make sure that we were
(22:28):
good to go. So anyway, all wrapped around that, you know,
my piece in this was the air defense. So we
were getting ready to do an air defense exercise, which
was one of the major reasons why we went to
See because during one of those, of course, you have
to embark the air wing. So now you get the
air wing involved, and they have to they go through
all their training too.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
At the same time. See, so it's a.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
Pretty complex, extremely expensive exercise, I'll have to tell you that.
So anyway, about four or five days before they scheduled,
we didn't have aircraft on the Knima yet. We started
detecting these weird these weird contacts. And when I say
they were weird, they were coming from suburth orbit and
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I'm just going to use a number that's out there already, Okay,
eighty thousand feet. They were coming down eighty thousand feet
in groups of five to ten at a time, and
then they would come down as a group and they
would they would stop right off the east coast as
Catalan Island, about ten.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Miles and they would just sit there.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
And we were out doing our thing, and I was
just watching them, you know, because here I am off
the coast of San Diego, Los Angeles. They haven't exhibited
any type of hostel in tent or anything at all,
as far as I knew, there was some type of
unassociated test someone else was doing.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Although we were.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
We were tracking them on the radar, and we were
reporting on our data links back to the beach in
case anyone did need to know about it. We were
providing the information like we're supposed to. Meanwhile, I'm doing
all the phone calls, I can, all the radio coms,
I can looking all the published information like the note
hams and everything I can look up to try to
determine what these things are, keeping a real close eye
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on them, keeping the captain up to date what's going on.
Until the day the airwing embarks on the Nimits and
we're getting ready to do this airwing, this eight X,
and all of a sudden, Margie, here comes these objects again,
and I'm getting ready to launch aircraft now, and here
they are.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
They're right in my playground.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
And meanwhile, I've been watching these things depart the larger group,
and they were one by one comb ride over the
top of us, going about between twenty and twenty eight
thousand feet, going about one hundred miles an hour. Remember,
these things could go. These things could go thousands of
feet in less than a second. So they were tracked
right above us, going super slow. And the interesting thing
(24:59):
was every single object disappeared off the radar in this
exact same spot in the sky, which was right over
Guadeloupe island off the coast of Mexico.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Anyway, so we're getting ready due to the exercise.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
Captain Smith comes down to combat and said, hey, sorry,
you know, we've been tracking these things for several days now.
Your senior chief has no idea what they are. I
very strongly recommend we postpone the exercise long enough where
I can take one of the aircraft's about the launch,
go intercept one of these things and see and see
(25:34):
what it is. Otherwise I have the safety of flight
on our hands right here.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
And if we don't go.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
Look and I and something happened, someone's gonna ask me
why I was so damn and curious. And he looks
at me, he says, you're you're right, Senior Chief. Intercept
vi ID. So that was it, right, there so fast
egal one launches. Happen to be Commander Fravor. We take control,
cancel the exercise. I drive him to the nearest object
that was close to us, and as soon as he
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gets in the merged plot position, which on the radar
on a two D display two pieces of symbols in
the same spot, that object went from twenty thousand feet
two zero zero zero zero twenty thousand feet down to
fifty feet above the water in point seven to eight seconds.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
That would kill a human being if there was a
human in that craft.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
It's like thirty five g or something like that.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
So he leaves his winging up high. He goes chasing
it down and as soon as he gets down to
co level with this thing, this object, whatever the hell
it was, recognized him. And you'll understand why I say that.
In just a second, it turns on him and for
lack of a better way to say, they're getting a dogfight.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
And this is Commander Favor.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
He's a former top gun instructor, thousands of hours in
his log book, right, the best of the best.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
And he starts screaming on the radio, Oh.
Speaker 5 (27:02):
My god, I'm my god, I'm engaged.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
I'm engauged just pooping his pants because he can't. It's
so far outside his his understanding of what should be
there just blows his mind. This isn't anything we've ever
were trained or had any recognition of, right, and these
are his words.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Right.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
Then it disappeared right from him. And that's what we
saw on radar. And you know I describe symbology now
each we don't track raw radar. We use symbols, right,
and each symbols is assigned a number. That way, when
I say track four four one two, you know what
track I'm talking about. You don't have to really search
(27:43):
for it, right, Whatever that object was, Margie went from
where he was sixty miles north to his assigned spot
in the sky, and there was eight different spots in
the sky, and it chose his.
Speaker 5 (28:02):
Uh huh.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
They're called combat air patrol stations and carrier strike group ops.
That's how we defend the aircraft carrier. We have prepositioned
spots in this guy that are a secret. No one's
supposed to know where they are, honestly.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Not UFO craft, right, but they did for whatever.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
Reason, it went to his not clow exactly on it
long and signed altitude.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Okay, Kevin, hold that thought. We're up on a short
break and we'll be back in about three minutes, so
hang on, everybody.
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Speaker 2 (31:08):
Welcome back to NEX News. I'm your host, Marjorie k
and this evening, we are speaking with a witness firsthand
to the two thousand and four and UFO encounter with
the Nimitz strike group Kevin Day was a radar operator
at the time, and Kevin, please continue your story if
(31:30):
you would.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
Yes, ma'am, kind of picking up where I left off.
So basically what happened was we ended up canceling the
rest of the exercise. Believe it or not, the ship's
actually pulled back into San Diego without ever doing the
exercise because we were worried about safety of flight because
(31:52):
now my airspace Whiskey two ninety one off Sokal was
the actual airspace wearing whiskey to ninety one to say
it's a restricted airspace. I can't necessarily keep someone out
of there, but we can warn them off.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
That's what it's a warning area.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
But anyway, these things had clobbered my and it wasn't
safe to fly, so we ended up canceling the exercise.
We pulled back into port. I transferred off the ship
and went to Commander Naval Airpact and apparently the strap
group had to go back out to see and finish
the air defense exercise before they went on deployment. Now
(32:30):
this is an interesting thing, Margie. Apparently what happened was
after I had left the ship, apparently everyone involved had
to sign non disclosure agreements. Now, for whatever reason, I
never had to sign one. I love because I left
the ship in time, or I just one of the
(32:52):
puzzles of this, I just don't I don't understand.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
Apparently we.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Are questioning that's true, but this chat question is did
the men in black take your records?
Speaker 3 (33:10):
That is.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
Apparently what happened. And the reason why I have first
hand evidence as a witness is.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
Part of my job was to write after action reports.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
So you know, once we got the same canceled, I
got up the next day and I was going to
do my after action report, and in order to do that,
I had to access the computer network because I wanted
to get information about radar and electronic signals that we
had received and all that kind of stuff. And I
lo and behold, all my data was gone that I
(33:45):
normally would use to write messages with. So I called
down to the computer central and the guy, the supervisor,
comes up and he sits me down and says, Senior,
I have something to tell you. And I said, what's
going on? He said, you know the helicopter you heard
last night when you were gotten in the mess interrack
getting some sleep.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
I said, yeah, I did, actually, he said.
Speaker 4 (34:03):
Well, someone came on board the ship and they they
took my data, took all of our data. Not only that,
they made me erase all the blank tapes. Oh, and
he said, but I did save one piece for you.
And I said really, he said yeah. And the reason
why that point seven eight seconds is the reason why
(34:27):
I have it in my book and everything is because
that first object that Favor intercepting went down to the
surface of the ocean. He had saved that one piece
for me, that one segment, Oh, well, one of our systems,
so I could see it, but everything else was gone.
So did I actually physically see someone come on board
(34:47):
and take it? Now, But I was there and I
had to access the data, and the data wasn't there.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
So you told me, yeah, well that's pretty typical of
the MiB. And you know, that area that you're talking
about in southern California is a known UFO hotspot area.
In fact, there are some people right now. I know
of two people who have cameras set up on the area.
(35:18):
Two of them, both of them are near Catalina, and
they're on the mainland with their cameras aimed near towards Catalina. Island,
and they see fast movers, extremely fast moving UFOs moving
in and out constantly. They've got thousands of them going
in and out. Do you think there's a possibility that
there's an underwater base there?
Speaker 4 (35:41):
I absolutely do, And there's a reason. During the course
of the ten days, we lost your video. Can you
still hear me?
Speaker 3 (35:50):
Lost?
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Can you hear me?
Speaker 3 (35:52):
I can hear I answer you?
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Okay, I just lost my video completely for some reason.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
You're back. Oh in my back Yep, you're back.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Everything just went blank, and uh it's I can't get back.
I can't now. I can't see you at all. Okay,
this is really weird, Kevin, but it doesn't surprise.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Latency going on, Yeah, we do is okay. So can
you keep going? Hear me going? Keep going?
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (36:32):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
So the reason why I think there's probably a UFO
basis on the bottom of the ocean. Here's you gotta remember,
I've been thinking about this for twenty years. I had
done a lot of research, to say the least, and
I had to put some stuff together over the course
of the ten days during tic TAC. If you counted
(36:56):
up all the different groups and all the different objects
in each group, there was probably about a hundred of
these objects all together, a hundred of them. All hundred
of these things, to the best of my recollection, disappeared
off my radar in the same spot in the sky,
(37:17):
about sixty miles north of Guadeloupe Island off the coast
of Mexico.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
And can you still hear me?
Speaker 2 (37:27):
I can't, so when somebody dropped me out and it
just got.
Speaker 4 (37:32):
Me who When Tom DeLong came here to interview me,
I was telling them this story, and they just stopped
and Lou looks at Thomas as we're going there. So
apparently they both went out to Guadeloupe and they talked
to the fishermen, and the fishermen kind of chuckled at
him because apparently they've been watching these things fall from
the sky and go down into the water for a long, long,
(37:54):
long long time, just like people are now seeing things
on Catalina Island.
Speaker 3 (37:59):
Same thing. Right, So.
Speaker 4 (38:05):
If you followed me here for a second, and this
is gonna sound somewhat crazy, I have to admit this,
all right, but we already know whatever the answers are here,
it's going to be kind of weird. Okay, it's going
to be kind of strange.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
Now.
Speaker 4 (38:20):
For a long time, I was thinking, why on earth
did that object that Commander Favor and Fastigal, Why did
it go to his assigned cap station?
Speaker 3 (38:32):
Why?
Speaker 4 (38:34):
What I finally figured out maybe maybe it was a
message of some kind, and that was confirmed to me
during the sokel during the film End of a Terror
in This Guy in twenty twenty two, when Caroline Corey
made the movie, we rented that one of the flat
top houses down there on Huntington Beach that you know
so well. We had New York University there and we
(38:57):
had a table full of the most high tech equipment
you can imagine on this table right looking right above
Catleyan Island, and for whatever reason, they showed up for us.
We got a mind radar when we got six hundred
hours of data on these things, and that's when the
(39:18):
light came on. I said, Okay, they knew my intentions
in two thousand and four because they knew I was
going to set that cap station, and now they knew
I was going to be on this roof in this moment.
So maybe they're trying to tell me something here. Maybe
they're trying to tell me that intention they knew my intentions.
Maybe my intentions is the missing piece of this puzzle.
(39:44):
Intention Uh huh, yeah, let me explain this if I can.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Yeah, please, do I know where you're going.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
Because you know where I'm going.
Speaker 5 (39:55):
I do.
Speaker 4 (39:57):
Well, let me kind of build it for people that
haven't heard before, because it does sound kind of weird
and crazy, especially if you've studied physics and the sciences. Right,
it's gonna sound stupid to you at first, all right,
and I admit that, But think about this, and it
comes down to a really basic question. And I don't
have the answer, but I'm just exploring the possibility here
(40:19):
with you.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
The universe.
Speaker 4 (40:24):
Is it intentional or is it not intentional?
Speaker 3 (40:31):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (40:32):
I have no idea, But let's just say, for sake
of argument, for a thought experiment, that yes.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
It's intentional.
Speaker 4 (40:39):
Okay, Now that beans a lot of questions. Okay, let's
say it's intentional. Let's just run that through our thought
process here. Number one, what happened to the intender? Did
the intender survive its creation or did it commit a
(41:00):
cosmic suicide? Again, I don't know. Let's say the intender
of the Big Bang lived.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
Now the question is in what form?
Speaker 4 (41:16):
Is intention active or is it benign? You know, created
the universe and just committed the cosmic suicide, whereas now
benign never to do nothing again. Who knows or is
intention still an active force in the universe? Now I
have four known forces. I have gravity, I have the
strong nuclear, have the weak nuclear, and I have electromagnetism.
(41:40):
I submit to you, Margie, there is actually five fundamental forces.
Speaker 5 (41:45):
You have.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
Intention Intention is the actual.
Speaker 4 (41:51):
In fact, if you really think about it, there's only
really one fundamental force in this intention because all the
other ones follow it. And what I've been able to do,
and I don't know how the hell I did this
because I'm not a mathematician. I'm not a physicist. But
I was able to turn this thought experiment into mathematics.
Speaker 5 (42:17):
And that works.
Speaker 3 (42:19):
My math works. And it's just so weird.
Speaker 4 (42:23):
Because as soon as I was able to figure it,
formulate this whole thing in my brain, right at the
right moment in time, it seemed to me that this
little thing called AI came out and I was able
to use AI in this case chat GPT like everyone
else has, as an assistant to help me turn my
(42:47):
thought ideas my formulations that I had in my head
into actual equations, and they work. I've applied them to business,
I've applied to politics especially. I have applied them to cosmology.
There's I've plat them to art, I've planted them to music,
I've plat them to language. What I do and the
(43:09):
reason why I say they work is I'll take an
existing mathematical suite and equations suite framework, and I'll integrate
my equation suite into it, and it works perfectly like
a long lost cousin.
Speaker 3 (43:24):
And you know why, Margine, No, I don't.
Speaker 4 (43:26):
Because intention is embedded into the fabric of reality.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
That makes sense.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
I didn't have to add anything. It's already there. And
so what I did is of course, when I first
shared my ideas.
Speaker 4 (43:41):
I got laughed at because I'm on, you've seen my
email chain.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
Right, Yes, I have?
Speaker 4 (43:48):
Yeah, I mean I was invited onto an email chain
that's it's got the foremost ruled academics on it, if
you will, I mean some of them, right, Am I
wrong about that?
Speaker 3 (43:58):
You've seen it and.
Speaker 4 (44:00):
If we read some of the names and people wouldn't
probably believe it. But after I shared more and more
and more, I've gotten more and more and more of
them coming back privately and say, Kevin, I kind of
believe with you on this.
Speaker 3 (44:13):
In fact, I'm working in the lab on some of
these ideas.
Speaker 4 (44:18):
Wow, we'll think about this, Margie. If it turns out
that I'm right, think about this for a second. Two
thousand and four somehow turned into the discovery of the
fifth fundamental force.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
That's just absolutely amazing. And it seems to me though.
Speaker 4 (44:44):
I saved, we may have saved a lot of lives
up in Seattle because the tsunami threat.
Speaker 3 (44:52):
That's the goald.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
I like, what can they do about this tsunami threat?
Speaker 3 (44:57):
Put in monitoring, warning system in warning systems, in trained people.
That's about us you can hope for. Not only that
you can.
Speaker 4 (45:08):
Map out, you can map out the topology and know
exactly where that water is going to go and where
it's not going to go. Probably more importantly mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (45:18):
Right now, find out all you can about it. And
that's not the only place everyone's focused on. SoCal. I
gotta tell you, man, the Oregon.
Speaker 4 (45:27):
Coast, if you look at the sea sea bottom topologies,
we got probably worse faults than anywhere down in so Call.
I got one point right at my house that comes
extends way up from out out at sea bottom.
Speaker 3 (45:42):
Oh boy, when this thing gives man, it.
Speaker 4 (45:45):
This type of earthquake that I'm talking about, I mean
a lot of earthquakes just kind of rumble and it
causes landslides and stuff, and the knocks buildings over. Not
this puppy uhuh. It goes pap and it cleans mountains
in half. That's what we're talking about. It makes that's
casting well.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
And there's no getting away from that, and probably no
warning system either that the earth mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (46:15):
Exactly. I can give a damn like some politicians don't
same thing.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
Back to your math that you figured out, did you
put that? I don't think you put that in your
book because you just recently found that out. Are you
going to publish this information?
Speaker 3 (46:40):
That's a dicey can of worms.
Speaker 4 (46:42):
And I struggled with that for a while, like, Okay,
now how do I I'm not at a university, I
don't have grant money, no one knows who I am.
Speaker 3 (46:52):
I don't have a laboratory.
Speaker 4 (46:54):
So what I finally decided to do is I just
decided to punch it out there in my email thread
to the top academics on the planet and just.
Speaker 2 (47:03):
Go for it and just let them have at it happens.
Speaker 4 (47:06):
If I'm proven right, no one can say that I
wasn't first documented, now right.
Speaker 3 (47:12):
I took the poor man's way.
Speaker 4 (47:13):
If you could, if you would, And I learned that
lesson When I published Sailor's Anthology in the Library of
Congress back in O eight, I secretly stashed it just
in case later see I didn't do it. Does that
make sense?
Speaker 2 (47:31):
Yep, it does.
Speaker 5 (47:32):
I I have.
Speaker 3 (47:34):
I have pushed stuff to them until they begged me
to stop.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
Put it that way, they beg you to stop.
Speaker 3 (47:44):
Them.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
Question in the chat, did Elon contact you?
Speaker 4 (47:50):
No, Well that's not true. When I applied for the
Derrim Moon mission, I got one email back.
Speaker 3 (47:58):
Then I said you made the short list for the mission. Huh.
Speaker 4 (48:04):
I never heard anything else. In fact, I don't even
know what happened to. Is that still a going concern?
Ony got canceled?
Speaker 2 (48:12):
Well, who knows. They've got all kinds of things going
on in the in the background that we don't know
about until they implemented. Like it's like Elon's new plane.
Like Elon's new plane. It's just yeah, it's it's like,
what what is what is this? You know, you never
(48:33):
know week to week. Have you had any has anybody
ever apologized to you after you know, how they how
you were treated after that two thousand and four incident,
or has anybody said, uh, come forward and said, yeah,
(48:55):
I I witnessed that as well. You know, have you
had any contacts like that?
Speaker 4 (49:00):
Well, the the fellow witnesses on the ships, Yeah, they've
you know, we stay in touch you not every.
Speaker 3 (49:09):
Day, you know, but from time to time. You know,
we we're friendly and we all stay in touch. Now,
if I did have one bone to pick, it would
be this.
Speaker 4 (49:23):
I had forgotten all about this thing, okay, And I
had moved on in life, and I finally made.
Speaker 3 (49:28):
It back out of the wilderness. And you got to
remember that was pretty much flat broke at that time.
Speaker 4 (49:33):
In fact, I ended up on a friend's ranch, living
in a nineteen seventy four twenty two foot trailer that
my sister had bought me. Now, I had an income
because I was retired, but I didn't have a home
or nothing.
Speaker 5 (49:46):
I was.
Speaker 3 (49:47):
I was houseless, essentially. I'd just come off the mountain.
Speaker 4 (49:50):
And then he, you know, he had a large farm,
and he ended up leasing it to a legal marijuana grower,
which is real common here because the climate and the
Mediterranean climate here. And I was like, man, I can't
touch that. I didn't know what I was going to do,
so I went into town. I was looking for for
sell by owner and there was nothing. So I ate
(50:12):
breakfast and back on there, and all of a sudden
there was this house for sale for sell by owner
twenty thousand down fifty thousand dollars carry the note, and boy,
I tell you it was on that and then the
word park Martie is. I knew the house from when
I was a little boy, really yep. And the old
(50:33):
lady that lived there like me, and I got the
keys from escar where I walked in.
Speaker 3 (50:41):
Her ashes around the mantle. Oh my, yeah, really happened. Anyway.
Speaker 4 (50:51):
It was an old junk house, you know, no one
else apparently wanted it. Apparently back in the back in
the eighteen hundreds it was worth the slaves had lived.
Speaker 3 (51:01):
Apparently.
Speaker 4 (51:02):
I don't know if it's true or not, but but
you know, I I finally had a home, you know,
I took it.
Speaker 3 (51:12):
And then I started volunteering up the golf course.
Speaker 5 (51:16):
H and.
Speaker 3 (51:21):
Just kind of moved on in life. And I had
reopened the kitchen.
Speaker 4 (51:25):
I was carrying out a plate of food to do,
to Do.
Speaker 3 (51:28):
To Do.
Speaker 4 (51:30):
Tournament was on. Everyone was happy watching the golf tournament.
And all of a sudden CNN breaks and hear that
video is from two thousand and four playing on CNN,
and I dropped the plate. I was what what? Because
I knew where evidence was, I had evidence. I was
(51:53):
the only one that knew where direct evidence was hidden.
So I went racing home and I called Gary Warhees.
And because in the Library of Congress I had evidence hidden?
Speaker 3 (52:04):
Did it really happened? In my book.
Speaker 4 (52:09):
You read the Year you Can't? The story is the
tic Tac story. It even says the words tik tac
in my short story that I published in two thousand
and eight named all the ships.
Speaker 2 (52:23):
So the book Sailor's Anthology. How can people get a
hold of this book?
Speaker 3 (52:30):
Well, it's for free on Issue. I think I sent
you the link.
Speaker 2 (52:33):
Uh huh.
Speaker 3 (52:34):
If people go to issue dot com, it's free there.
Speaker 4 (52:36):
But if they wanted to, they could go to Amazon
or Amazon and purchase it, although there's no need to.
Speaker 2 (52:45):
Oh either way, if you if you want a hard
copy in your hand.
Speaker 3 (52:47):
I had to sign it for him. Oh what was
that in here?
Speaker 5 (52:51):
You?
Speaker 2 (52:51):
Yeah, you can get a hard copy in your hand,
or you can just read it on issue I SSUU
dot that's where you go for that. Kevin, thank you
so much for being a guest on my program. This
is just fantastic because I honestly I did not know
(53:11):
that you existed until you contacted me, so thank you
so much for doing that. Your formulas look extremely complicated,
so not being a mathematician, I will just say that
they're nice to look at. And I'm glad that you're
sharing this knowledge with the world and the rest of
(53:34):
us appreciate you coming forward and talking about that encounter.
Speaker 3 (53:38):
Thank you, Thank you, all right, Thank you so much, Kevin.
Speaker 2 (53:44):
Okay, all right, we'll see you next time. And for me,
I'm Margia k. This is unexed news and that is
it for this evening. I will be here again next
week with another great guests, so join me then. Good night.
Speaker 3 (54:02):
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