October 26, 2025 • 53 mins
Join Margie as she interviews The KC Cemetery Man, Kurt Jordan, about his work to clean up cemeteries and repair headstones at no charge. Kurt also trains people how to do this work properly.
Then Margie will share some very scary and real ghostly encounters a graveyards that will give you nightmares! Floating ghosts, unexplained voices and screaming, strange orbs and more..
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
It's time for the Unexed News News extraterrestrials, time anomalies,
dimension dimensions, remote viewing, UFOs, UAPs and USO's, ghostly encounters, abductions, Bigfoot,
and more and more, your end of the week news
(00:25):
source for everything everything unexplained. Here is your host for
the unex News podcast, Margie K.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Good evening andbrew one and welcome to Unexed News. I'm
your hosts margorie K and tonight, of course it's the
Halloween season, so we need to talk about graveyards, haunted graveyards,
some of the most haunted the United States. And then
also I have a guest. I did a pre recording
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of this with this gentleman who does cemetery clean up
and repairs headstones, and I think that that's fascinating. So
you've heard me talk about my latest book along with
Violet Wisdom. We wrote this book out of research a
haunted house. And I also want to mention a couple
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of other books that I've written and rewritten over the years.
This one is Gateway to the Dead. It is a
ghost hunter's field guide from a psychics perspective, so it's
a little bit different than the norm of what you
might expect, and then of course we go through different
types of equipment to use. I even tell you how
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to build a ghost hunting box, a spirit box, very
inexpensively so you can speak to the dead and it works.
And then of course it discussed this is all of
the different different types of entities that you might run
into while you're ghost hunting and what to do about them,
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how to handle them. And at the end I do
list some really good places to investigate. So there is that,
and then I have this one Haunted Independence, Missouri. This
is a collection of fifty eight sites that I investigated
here in my hometown of Independence, and there are some
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pretty pretty scary things going on, some very haunted sites,
and we're going to talk about some of those this evening,
just specifically the cemeteries. So let's go ahead and get
started with that. I'm going to read a little bit
from the book, which I can hardly see there. We're
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going to start with the Woodlawn Cemetery. The earliest burial
at this site dates to eighteen nineteen. The site used
to be three separate cemeteries which were joined into one
very large cemetery bordered by a stone wall. This is
the possible last resting place of the Lady in Gray,
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who has been seen walking on Nolan Road in front
of the property for many years. The cemetery, which is
now owned by Independence Parks and Recreation, is the resting
place for some famous people, including Confederate Brigadier General John
Taylor Hughes, James Andrew Little, member of the James Gang,
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Samuel luck Slayer, judge of the twenty fourth Judicial Circuit
and member of Congress, Lee Roy Smith, Junior, author of
The Fourth King, and Samuel Hughes Woodson, US Congressman. Members
of my paranormal team have visited the cemetery on several
occasions and have been greeted by goat almost every time.
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We have seen several full and partial body apparitions, mysterious
orbs darting about and miss in every part of the cemetery.
One person who lives nearby says that they hear knocking
on their back door, but when they go to see
who it is, no one is there. His property borders
the cemetery, so he wonders if it isn't a ghost.
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My daughter was searching one day for a particular marker
at the site belonging to her mother in law. When
she sens that someone was trying to tell her to
stop immediately and look down, she stopped and saw a
small marker for a baby girl who was born and
died the same day. The date was my daughter's exact
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same birth date, November twenty seventh, nineteen seventy six. So
we wondered what made her look down and why there
was a connection to my daughter, is anyone's guests, but
it seems to be an odd coincidence. Now a little more,
this lady in gray I saw her several years ago,
probably about fifteen years ago, driving on Nolan Road in
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front of the cemetery, and I saw a woman in
tattered clothing. She was wearing gray clothes, very thin. She
had either her hair piled up or she had her
hair had short hair. It was gray hair as well,
and really large eyes. And that's one thing that's a
common trait that people say that they see with this
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particular lady. And I just thought she was a person
looking for somebody, because she's always asked like she's looking
for someone when anyone sees her. And then she disappeared
in thin air. So I realized I was actually looking
at a spirit, not a human being. Then about five
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years ago a couple came to me and filed a
report and so so, and they wanted me to investigate,
but I decided not to after I heard their story.
They were driving around the cemetery at night. Now the
cemetery is closed at night, but somehow they were able
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to get in and they drove their car around. You know,
they have these really thin lanes that go through the cemetery.
And as they came around and were headed towards Nolan Road,
they saw a woman walking on the side of the road.
And this was at about one o'clock in the morning,
so they thought it was somebody who probably needed some help.
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They thought that was pretty odd to see a woman
walking by herself. They said her clothes were tattered, and
they stopped to ask if she needed help. The woman
turned around and looked at them and made a horrid,
horrid scream and a horrid face with huge, huge bug eyes,
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and they took off, realizing that this was not anything normal.
They had just had a paranormal experience, and they said
they will they won't go back to that cemetery during
the daytime much less at the nighttime. Now, I do
want to invite anybody who is watching to go ahead
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in the chat and put your haunted cemetery experience in there.
So that would be good if you would do that. Okay,
So now we're going to go to Pitture Cemetery. This
is in Kansas City, Missouri, just north of forty Highway.
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This family burial plot for the Thomas Pitcher family, established
in eighteen thirty, is also the final resting place for
men who fought in the Revolutionary and Civil wars. Many
Civil War soldiers who perished in a battle nearby in
eighteen sixty four are buried in a mass grave. Another
mass grave in the cemetery which contains pioneers who perished
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from the cholera epidemic of eighteen forty nine to eighteen
fifty one. Most of the grave markers are simple standing
rocks without engraving. It is estimated that over two hundred
people are buried here without markers. Visitors have reported hearing
noises in the trees, seeing glowing bowls of light, and
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floating apparitions. I visited the site, which is right next
to a small park with tables and a walking path
one evening at dusk, and then again a few days
later with my older daughter. As I approached the entrance,
I felt the heavy presence of many souls who had
not moved on. I went into a light trance and
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walked through the graveyard, camera in hand, taking photos while
communicating with the debt. There are many spirits here who
do not know they have died or are confused about
where they are, and I was able to get a
couple of pictures of orbs, and in one picture which
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I couldn't find for tonight, there were multiple balls of
light and we'd seen these with the naked eye, and
we grabbed some pictures of them. So they were not
lens flares, because lens fairs don't have any relationship to
anything you see with the naked eye. But when you
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take a picture, there was always the chance that you'll
get lens flares, and so you'll get additional balls of
light that are actually not what we believe our spirits
with these balls of light. I went back again recently
with a couple of other investigators, and immediately upon entering,
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one of the investigators and I were drawn to a
grave of a Civil War soldier and we both had
communication with this soldier he stayed there. He said that
he died there right there, next to that spot, and
so they buried him there and they didn't leave a marker.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
And.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
He knew he had passed, but he didn't know how
to move on. And he also gave some information about
his mother. And as he did so, we were drawn
to look at a tree that was nearby that had
a branch out, and the other investigator and I both
saw a woman sitting in the tree at where that
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branch was, and I thought that was pretty odd. We
felt like she was the mother of this soldier, and
so I did try to get him to move on,
and I'm not sure if he did, but we are
planning on going back to see what happens. Okay, now
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I'm going to take a quick skim through here because
there's another site here that I do want to talk about.
One of them is the Haunted Rotary Park, which is
across from the Hill Park Cemetery, and these two are related,
even though the park the parks are just right across
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the street from each other. So Roadary Park is located
one block south of twenty third Street and a few
blocks west of Sterling in Independence, Missouri. It's a popular
place for children to play and for adults to walk
on the track around the park. There is a creek
on the south and west side of the park and
a big hill on the west side behind Beyond the creek.
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The park is open to the public year round. What
most visitors don't realize is that the living aren't the
only ones here. My eldest daughter and I used to
take walks in the park almost light nightly, starting in
the spring of two thousand and three. We did not
notice anything unusual about it until Tember of that year,
when the park cleared out earlier in the evenings and
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it was fairly quiet. Often we were the only two
people walking. One evening, while briskly walking along the east
side of the track, I felt a shaking in my
entire body that started at my head and jaw, then
traveled downward. This shaking stopped when I moved forward. I
then stepped backward a few steps, and the shaking started again.
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I could feel a definite difference in the air in
this one spot. My daughter stepped into the space and
said she felt an electrical type feeling. The next evening,
we returned to the park again. The spot was still
there and felt the same to me. I was intrigued
about it and decided to go into a trance to
see what it might be. We sat on a park
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bench and suddenly I saw spirits all around the park.
Some were in prints, which are what I call time imprints,
where a psychic could see events that happened in the
past as if watching a movie. I saw small log cabins,
send several tent camps, lots of campfires, and many people
milling about, and a few of the apparitions were ghosts.
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The first ghost is a man who hangs out around
the south edge of the park and is there every
time I visit. He looks like an old prospector and
has a gold pan in his hand. And by the way,
he sits at the creek. There's a big creek that
goes through here. He wears a dirty white shirt, suspenders, pants, boots,
and an old raggedy hat. I saw a tent set
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up with a fire and a pot in front of
the tent facing the stream. The man means no harm
to anyone, but he doesn't like it when people get
too close to him. He seems not to realize that
he's dead. There's an odd round impression in the grass
in this area where the grass blades move in the
opposite direction of the wind at times. We've seen that
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on a number of occasions. My daughter and I have
both seen it, and I believe where the man. This
is where the man's tent was located next to the stream,
and the name he gave me is Old George. Another
spirit that haunts this park is that of a young
woman in her late twenties or early thirties. She wears
a long dress and stands next to a large tree
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on the west center side of the park, near the
walking track. She told me her name was Annie. She
feels much attached to the location. The first time I
saw her, I was across the way and I saw
her step out of a tree. When I did a
reading of the area, I also got the name of
Frank James, but I didn't know why there was a
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relationship to this woman at the time. I asked a
local history buff Joe Rudswick, about this location and he
told me that is where there's currently a brick schoolhouse
at the top of the hill, and that's the exact
spot where there was an older school. Frank James's girlfriend
was the school teacher. In those days, it was customary
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for a tea to be unmarried. When the community refused
to let Anne marry Frank James and still retain her
position as a teacher, the school mysteriously burned down. The
entire town thought it was Frank who was responsible, but
they couldn't prove it. Frank then offered to rebuild a school,
but only if his new wife could continue to teach there.
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The town council agreed and the new school was built.
I think this woman is the ghost of Frank James's wife.
I did research on the Internet and found that her
name was Anne, nicknamed Annie Ralston born in eighteen fifty three,
died in nineteen forty four and Frank James born in
eighteen forty three died in nineteen fifty fifteen. Is buried
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in Hill Park. Both of them buried across twenty third
Street and up the hill. Anne Ralston, there's a street
named Ralston because her family was also very prominent in
the area. I think her ghost haunts the park because
she had a strong attachment to the school. This is
a good place to visit if you want to see
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a ghost. If you place your hand on the east
side of the tree, twelve inches away from the tree,
approximately five feet up from the ground, it will feel
noticeably warmer than the air around it. We took a
tour to this park on Halloween night in two thousand
and four. I saw a woman materialize there and then
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turned to white mist. Immediately took the grip to the tree,
and all eleven people could feel the warm spot next
to the tree. Three people could also see the white
mist in the same place. In October of two thousand
and seven, I took a class on two different nights.
On both occasions, everyone felt a difference in temperature next
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to the anti tree, and I was able to get
several photos of orbes. One class attendee had his video
camera battery suddenly during power from one hour of time
left of forty five seconds left in an instant. He
was standing near the tree when it happened. Also at
that same moment, I saw Annie come out of the tree.
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Perhaps she could not materialize until she had taken some
energy from the battery. Other spirits here in the form
of tiny bright orbs and flit about the tree tops.
They occasionally wandered down to the center of the trees.
These feel like young children or possibly sprites, which would
be young, fairy like creatures. There are sprites in at
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least three locations in the park. Tree spiites are actual
spirits of the trees, and they have very individual personalities.
They're visible to almost everyone who looks at them when
they come to the park. Even if these people have
never had any experience in their life, when I take
them here for some reason, they can see them. The
tree spirits have eyes, nose, and mouth, and their face
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changes shape and may even speak to you if you
look at them for a few minutes. If you go
to this park, look for knots in the trees and
watch them for a few minutes. If you listen quietly,
they may tell you something about things they have seen
in the past. This is a good way to do
an investigation of an older area and get help with
finding out what may have transpired there. On the west side,
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in the trees on the other side of the stream,
there's a dark, very ominous, heavy presence. On some nights
it feels as if something is watching from that location.
One evening in early two thousand and five, a dark
shape moved forward to the near side of the stream.
We could not determine what it was, if it was
a ghost or other entity. And this location is, as
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I said earlier, not far from the school on the hill,
which turns out is all so very haunted. Later visits
proved that the dark energy has not left the area.
I don't recommend crossing the stream to the other side. Okay,
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let me find another cemetery, because there are a lot
of places. I'm looking at the book Haunted Independence right now, which,
of course, all of these books are available at Amazon.
By the way, someday I'll talk about one of my
very very haunted houses, the house I live in right now, Okay,
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I'm gonna go. I'm going to talk.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
About mill Mill Street Cemetery.
Speaker 5 (19:47):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
This is in northern Independence. It's an event very quiet neighborhood.
It's a huge cemetery and Joseph smith is Bury there
among other people. Lots of people visit at night, but
they only they can park in a parking lot across
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the street. But at dusk the cemetery locks up, so
you're not supposed to enter the cemetery after dark. But
there really isn't anybody around to watch. There is a
house on one end that may have people in it
that are keeping an eye out, but not not everywhere
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in the cemetery. And there are some rolling hills too.
It's so big. Well, one evening, my seventeen year old daughter,
when she was seventeen, decided that she would go to
the cemetery alone at midnight for some unknown reason, and
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she across the street in the parking lot, climb the
fence to get into the cemetery and walked down one
of the little roads and then found a place to sit.
She sat down and leaned it next to a tree,
and she said, if there really are ghosts, I would
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like to see one, please show yourself. And just a
few seconds later, off in the distance, she sees a
woman coming towards her. The woman was wearing a white nightgown.
This is pretty common for some reason, but as it
got closer, first she thought it might have been a person,
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but as it got closer she realized it was floating.
It wasn't walking, and she had no feet, but it
was a full bodied apparition other than the feet, and
it just got closer and closer to her. Well, she
decided to get out of there, and she stood up
and ran out and kept running and running, and she'd
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looked behind her and the ghost was still there, following
her the whole way that she's running to get out
of this cemetery. She jumped the fence, went over to
her car, and the ghost stopped at the edge of
the cemetery as if it couldn't go any further. So
she left called me the next day and told me
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about it. So of course I had to get my
team out there. So we had a team of five
who went to investigate, and we split up into two teams.
Three people went up the hill and down the area
where the spirit had first materialized, and then two of
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us stayed behind, not too far from the front of
the cemetery, maybe fifty feet away, and we found a
place to sit down a bench. It was very very
dark that night, a little bit of moonlight, and we
were very very quiet. When we heard voices, we heard
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voices of people talking, so we thought that the other
three investigators were actually walking back, coming back, but we
couldn't see them. And then we saw this big dark
cloud appear in the center of this dip in the road.
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So it's down in the step and we're still hearing
the voices. We couldn't understand what they were saying, but
there were definitely people having a conversation. We're looking all around,
don't see anybody around, just this dark blob in the
center of the road. And then the three investigators appear
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at the top of the hill and we saw them
coming down, so they as they approached this dark energy,
it dissipated. And then the three investigators came to us
and we told them what happened, and they said they
weren't even talking, so it definitely wasn't them. And what
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that darkness was I don't know, but that that was
a pretty scary moment, and we decided not to go
back to that particular cemetery. Even if you have a
lot of people around you, sometimes scary things happened and
you just don't want to revisit that again. So what
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we're going to do right now is take a short break.
When we come back, I am going to show you
this video. We'll be back right after this.
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Speaker 2 (25:33):
And I'm here this evening with Kurt Jordan AKAKC cemetery Men.
Welcome to the program.
Speaker 6 (25:40):
Kurt, Well, it's great to be here. Thank you for
having me be a guest this evening.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Well, I heard about your services and I thought, boy,
that is right up my alley, and it's such a
unique service that you do. How did you get into
some cleaning headstones? And I guess that any items at
cemeteries that might be needing it.
Speaker 7 (26:03):
Well, this is a few years back. I was at
this point, I'm retired, but I was still working and
I lived in Dallas at the time. My family is
from the Saint Joseph, Missouri area, and my late father
reached out to me and he said, I found this
old cemetery, to Pioneer Cemetery where we have ancestors who
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are buried there, and the headstones are toppled over. Would
you help me put the headstones back together. Well, the
truth we know my father was in no condition physically
to put headstones together, so I said I will do that.
I put three headstones together. My dad was kind enough
to set in a lawn chair under a shade tree
and supervise me.
Speaker 6 (26:45):
So that's how it began.
Speaker 7 (26:47):
I did the three headstones for my family members, and
while I was working on it, I was looking around
this entire cemetery and the whole thing was a disarray.
The obelisk were toppled over, the tablets had fractured, they
were being the mowers were running over them. So I
just looked at the cemetery and realized there was more
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work to do than just the three markers for my
family members. So I took training that was necessary to
learn the proper skills for putting headstones back together, and
then equally as important, I secured approval from the county
commissioners who had oversight. So that's how it started. It
was pretty humble. I repaired three markers for family members
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and I just kept going.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
And how long ago did you start doing that?
Speaker 7 (27:35):
It's about six years ago at this point. And now
I've just taken this thing's really taken off.
Speaker 6 (27:41):
I'm going all.
Speaker 7 (27:42):
Over the Midwest really doing this sort of work myself
and training others as well.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
And do you get volunteers to help you with these projects?
Speaker 7 (27:53):
I do, In all honesty, I've never really sought out volunteers.
I kind of liked the solitude of doing the work
myself and at my own pace. But all of a sudden,
I'm really being contacted by a lot of individuals that
have a desire to participate, either in cleaning, which is
kind of the way a lot of folks get involved
in symmetry preservation, and then moving on up into more
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sophisticated repairs and lifting with tripods and straps and everything
else that we use to lift monuments back in place. So, yes,
I have a number of folks that volunteer with me
at this point.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Well, here's a photo of one of your tripods. What
are we looking at here?
Speaker 7 (28:37):
Well, this is a great example. This is a granddaughter
and a grandfather who have taken over repairing the cemetery
out in what's called Andrew County, Missouri, northwest Missouri, and
they do a lot of really good work themselves. Unfortunately,
this was a really heavy obelisk, probably around eight to
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nine hundred pounds that they were unable to lift themselves safely.
And I, fortunately, I know what I'm doing. I've lifted
a number of these and I have the equipment to
do it. So they reached out to me and asked
me if I would come help them reset that obelisk.
Speaker 6 (29:11):
So that's what's.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Going on there, and certainly would need that kind of
equipment to do that. Is this a different it is?
Speaker 7 (29:22):
Actually, yes, it is.
Speaker 6 (29:24):
In this instance. This is in the Union.
Speaker 7 (29:26):
Cemetery in Kansas City, Missouri, and a nearby tree in
a windstorm had knocked that obelisk off the base, and
I volunteer and I helped the crew there from time
to time repair markers in that cemetery as well. So
that's what I'm doing resetting that obelisk.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Then you sent me this photo. We have a before
and after photo. Obviously this is the before before the
cleaning and then after wow, look at that. That's amazing.
Speaker 7 (30:00):
Yeah, in this case, I always I only use specialized
biological cleaners designed specifically for cleaning headstones, and it's safe.
It's recognended by the National Parks Department. And also along
with the products I use for cleaning and the methodology,
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the brushes I use are called Tampico brushes and they
are made specifically for cleaning headstones and marble in this case,
so everything is very customized. I'm not using products as
I say that you would find under your sink and
or cleaning a shower and things of that nature. They're
very specialized, and we're very protective of the stones. And
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as we say, the term is we do no harm.
We're very mindful of the age of these stones and
we protect them.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Yes, and I could imagine that there are many things
that would be damage, that could possibly damage or pit
the stones if you didn't use the right brushes or
the right chemicals. And in your case, you're using biological
So that's good. Here you are teaching a class right right.
Speaker 7 (31:18):
That happens to be in a old city cemetery in Plattsburgh, Missouri,
and I'm kind of leading the instructions there, and I
happen to have a tampico brush in my hand, and folks,
so we see images that look like this and they
think that I'm cleaning headstones with a wire brush, and
that would never ever ever happen. So I always point
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that out, that's a tampico brush, and I'm providing instructions
to the folks that are participating there.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Yeah, my husband is a mason, and I know who
uses wire brushes for his tuck pointing and cleaning up
stones a lot. So we'll just keep him away from
these projects that you're doing so well. When you're when
you want to go into a cemetery on a project
you said you mentioned the county. Is it the county
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commissioner that oversees that.
Speaker 7 (32:13):
Yeah, it really varies, and many times these are abandoned
pioneer cemeteries. I'm working on a lot of cemeteries when
the you know, I'll say mid to late eighteen hundreds,
so there may not be a true cemetery board, or
there may be, or there oftentimes is a historical society
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or the county has assumed responsibility. And I always make
it a point before I ever do any work any
cemetery to gain proper approval from the entity that has oversight,
and sometimes you know, it takes multiple emails and phone
calls to find out who that person or that organization is.
Speaker 6 (32:55):
But I think that's really critical.
Speaker 7 (32:57):
Before we go racing in and doing any sort.
Speaker 6 (32:59):
Of repair, that we have approval.
Speaker 7 (33:01):
And I always emphasize that, you know, I'm using the
right products and the safe products and the methodology is correct,
rather than just I'm just a guy doing this off
the street. You know, there's some training involved as well.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Certainly, have you well, I have to ask this, since
this show is about unexplained phenomena, have you ever experienced
anything paranormal while you're working on these things?
Speaker 7 (33:31):
I thought you might ask that. In all honesty, only
one peculiar occasion out of all the times I've been
in a cemetery, and truthfully, I would attribute it to
me probably being dehydrated, just wiped out at the end
of the day. But you know, from time to time
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you kind of have a sense that maybe the souls
at rest are kind of watching over you and they're
pleased that you're cleaning their stones or resetting them in
a peculiar way. But there was one day. It was,
like I said, late in the afternoon. I was pretty
well worn out at this point from working all day.
I just had the sensation or the sense that someone
was standing behind me. So of course I turn around
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and there's no one there. But I always say, if
someone had been there, I would have left my vehicle
and all my equipment and you know, scampered out of
the cemetery. But that was the one and only time.
But again it was probably just me being dehydrated at
the end of the day.
Speaker 6 (34:31):
But that was it.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Okay. Well, I know the Union cemetery that you mentioned
earlier is supposed to be very haunted and paranormal investigators
visit that place a lot. So so do you do
your work during the day though, I would.
Speaker 7 (34:48):
Imagine, yeah, well by nature, yeah, I always do, and
I started early.
Speaker 6 (34:53):
In the morning and wrap up.
Speaker 7 (34:54):
You know, I'll try to put in a full day,
but I'm certainly done by dark. So maybe that that
would change, you know, what's transpiring in the cemetery after
I leave. But while I'm there, I feel pretty safe
and secured.
Speaker 6 (35:10):
I've done work Union, but it's always been.
Speaker 7 (35:13):
In the morning, so maybe things are a little calmer
at that point.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
So, yeah, yeah, I would imagine. So now I looked
at your website and I noticed that you've got QR
code next to some of your gravestones that you've cleaned.
Speaker 7 (35:29):
What is that about, Well, there was an opportunity in
the cemetery I've done a lot of work in and
initially where I started. It's called Greenwick Cemetery in Amazonia, Missouri,
northwest Missouri. And while I was going through this project
of reassembling all the headstones and so forth, I came
in contact with an amazing genealogist who had assembled a
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great deal of informations about the souls at rest, their
life stories, where they came from, their occupation, the relationships
with one another. But she had assembled this over a
period of about forty years, and it just occurred to
me we needed to take this information and put it
in some sort of a template form, in a format
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that it could be accessed by anyone wanting to visit
the cemetery. So it became more than just a grouping
of headstones. You can actually go around and I have
the QR codes set up on a metal steak right
next to the headstones. Nothing is a fix to the stones.
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But you can scan the QR codes and pull up
a life history of these individuals and oftentimes we have
photographs and a little bit.
Speaker 6 (36:46):
Of story behind them. But it's been a real hit.
Speaker 7 (36:51):
And in fact, here recently we had one hundred and eightieth
anniversary for this cemetery and had a large heathering citizens
that came out and there's a photograph showing one of
the QR codes that they really enjoyed walking around the
cemetery and learning about who these individual individuals were. And
we had charactery enactors as well. But it's just a
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terrific format for getting information out and sharing, you know,
just general information about who these folks were when they
were alive, and in essence, we're kind of bringing the
stones to life in a certain way.
Speaker 5 (37:30):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
Well, and here's an award that you received, twenty twenty
four Mcreynold's Award to Greenwick Cemetery, Savannah and Andrew County
in recognition of ongoing commitment announcestanding achievement in historic preservation.
That's nice, and of course you've got several news segments
(37:58):
about you and I wanted to show this because since
I can find it sorry, I'm scrolling guys. Sorry about that,
but I wanted to I found something interest here. It
is here, it is You were just talking about the
Andrew County the cemetery in Amazonia, Missouri. Well he this man,
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Peter Moser from eighteen eighteen eighteen seventy three was born
in Switzerland and emigrated to the United States in eighteen
thirty four. In Ohio. He married Anna Zimmerman, who was
also a Swiss immigrant, and they came to this area
of Andrew County. In eighteen forty two. Peter helped lay
out the town of Amazonia. Both are buried in Greenwick Cemetery.
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And I thought it was very interesting that they had
ten children, and which at that time that was common
because people needed children to help you usually with farming.
And then here is a cutout, and I assume that
this genealogical researcher found this information. An old citizen of
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Andrew County killed a gentleman from AMAZONI informs us that
on Sunday evening, mister Peter Moser, who resided some two
miles north of that place, was kicked to death by
a horse. We failed to obtain the full particulars of
the accident. Mister Moser was one of the oldest and
best residents of Andrew County and was well known in
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this city. Oh my gosh, what a way to die.
That would not have been good. Take that out. But
it's very interesting that you've been able to compile this
information and then put a curo car because a lot
of people are very interested in genealogy, but especially can
you imagine if they run across one of their own
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relatives and they find out information they didn't know about before.
Speaker 5 (39:59):
That's absolutely yeah.
Speaker 7 (40:01):
I've I've been in contact with a lot of these
descendants through the years. They've discovered what's going on in
particular Greenwick Cemetery. They've reached out to me, and in
one case, I had an individual that said, Hey, I
know my great great grandmother's headstone is there. It's in pieces.
Would you put it back together? Well, here in the
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last month, I should back up, probably a year ago,
I've reassembled this headstone. But within the last month I
had the opportunity to meet this great great granddaughter at
the cemetery and walk her down and show her that marker.
So and we have a QR code created for her
great great granddaughter, her grandmother. So it's really fascinating to
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be able to not only connect with the past, with
the souls at rest, but also connect with the descendants
that have an appreciation for this work as well.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
Yeah, that just makes it extra special. But it's one
thing to visit a grave site of a relative, but
if you really don't know the history, because you know,
most people aren't genealogists. I am. I'm being fascinated with
it about twenty years ago and worked on ancestry and
then my daughter took over the family genealogy, so she's
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obsessed with it. But most people aren't. So this is
a really good connection. It's an extra special thing that
you're doing. I really, you know, enjoy finding out about
you and I think this is awesome. If people want
to learn more about how to do this themselves, do
you have a YouTube video where they can learn it?
Speaker 7 (41:40):
I do have a YouTube channel, Casey semmetery Man, and
the video providing instruction on how to clean headstones is
on there. The other thing I would point out, and
I should have said this in the intro all of
my efforts in the field of cemetery preservation, I always
there are always a high or percent free of charge, including
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seminars and training classes that I put on for others.
So when I have events scheduled, I also have a
Facebook page Casey symmetry Man, and my website as well,
but I communicate where these events are being held in
the times and invite folks to come out and participate.
They're all hands on. I'll do a brief intro and
(42:26):
an instructional period, but then they're often running and they
actually get to use the tools and.
Speaker 6 (42:31):
Products and everything else. So it's a wonderful day.
Speaker 7 (42:34):
They become comfortable with the process, and then they're able to,
with approval, move on and do other projects and become
involved in other symmetriies where they may have family members
or whatever the case may be.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
Well, that's just fantastic. I love your story, love what
you're doing. Thank you so much for visiting us this evening.
Speaker 7 (42:56):
Well, thank you, Margie, it's been a real pleasure to
be with you.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
Going to bring in my good friend and co researcher,
Jane Walker now, and Jane is muted, so as soon
as you unmute yourself, we should be able to hear you.
And we've got the you got it video going there.
You are okay? How are you doing tonight, Jeane?
Speaker 8 (43:19):
I'm fine. How are you Margie?
Speaker 5 (43:21):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (43:22):
I am good. And of course we're talking about haunted
cemeteries right now, and you've got a story to tell.
Of course happened to your brother, but please tell us
that story.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
Well, my mother, her family came from little Town, southern
Missouri Dixon. Vienna is just around Jeff's city. And so
when my brother was thirteen, I called and talked to
him to get some more details before I did this,
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and he said he was thirteen years old. My mother
decided I did to take him with her down there
to meet some of our relatives. I don't know where
I was, but I didn't go. And so they drive
down there. My grandparents were with them, and after visiting
the spending one night, they family decided they wanted to
(44:17):
go to the cemetery in Vienna, Missouri, and where a
lot of the relatives had been buried. So they all
piled into a car and drove down to the cemetery.
When they got there, everybody got out and my brother said,
as soon as he got out, he could hear this
(44:38):
woman just screaming. He said, just like, I said, well,
what did it sound like. Did it sound like she
was in the grave? He said, yes, almost it did.
He said he was scared maybe somebody got buried alive.
And he said because when the woman would scream, it
was a panic scream and it was very loud, and
(45:00):
so he said he noticed everybody else was just acting
very nonchalot and nobody was paying any attention. And so
he finally says, don't you people hear that woman screaming?
And they all looked at him like he was out
of this world because no one could hear it but him,
(45:22):
And he said, My mom kind of nudged at him
and said, Ted.
Speaker 8 (45:28):
My brother's name is Ted Myers.
Speaker 3 (45:30):
She said, Ted, be quiet and quit saying this because
he just kept going on. But he said, it was
such a frightening scream. And so they went ahead and
walked around in the cemetery, and he said, for about
the first ten minutes that they were there, he proceeded
to hear this woman screaming. Finally, because he didn't want
(45:54):
to shut up, my mother grabbed him and pulled him
to the side and she said, Ted, you have ought
to be quiet.
Speaker 8 (46:01):
They're going to think you're crazy if you don't shut up.
But he said he was just terrified. It scared him so.
Speaker 5 (46:08):
Bad all that.
Speaker 3 (46:10):
Yeah, I mean, you know, he kept thinking, well, why
is she screaming? Is she, you know, been buried alive?
Why would anyone scream like that? And he said it
sounded as though it was coming from the grave. So yes,
So that was a very frightening thing for him. So
on their way home, he asked my mother, he said, Mom,
(46:33):
I don't understand. Didn't you hear that lady screaming? She said, Ted,
nobody else could hear anybody screaming? And he said it
wasn't an empty cemetery. He said there was about ten
other people. They're visiting graves, and he said it was
a beautiful day and the sun was shining and bright
(46:55):
fall day as a matter of fact, but he said
he could hear and the terror that he felt when
in hearing this, So I know that.
Speaker 8 (47:05):
Would scare me.
Speaker 2 (47:07):
Oh, I can't imagine, especially as a teenager. You know,
he didn't know that much about bear normal events at
that age. You know, he you and Ted, obviously your brother,
you're related. You're both psychic, So no doubt that was
the reason that he picked that up. But you know,
(47:30):
they used to put bells on top of graves with
a string going down inside the coffin just in case,
you know, they buried somebody and they were actually still
alive and they could ring that bell and get out.
But I can't imagine.
Speaker 3 (47:48):
Yeah, he was that they're scared to death, and my
mother was wantn't to choking because they wouldn't shut up
about it, and nobody else she you know, and he
had never met these relevantes, so she was really afraid
that they were going to think he was touched in.
Speaker 2 (48:04):
The head or something.
Speaker 3 (48:05):
But hear this, and plus I imagine it kind of
unnerved them to hear him, you know, say that to him,
Well don't you hear.
Speaker 8 (48:13):
That woman screaming like that? And no one could hear
it but him.
Speaker 3 (48:18):
So my brother he comes across a lot of strange
things that he sees that other people don't. In this case,
hears things that other people don't. But I'm no, I'm
wondering why she was screaming and why he was the
only one to hear it.
Speaker 8 (48:33):
I wish I'd been down there with.
Speaker 2 (48:35):
Him, you know. Well, you know, we do our two
women in a map. Yes, research, We should probably go
there and check it out ourselves.
Speaker 8 (48:47):
That would be fun.
Speaker 3 (48:48):
I'd love to do that. We haven't checked the cemetery
out lately.
Speaker 2 (48:53):
No, we haven't. The last time we did was Picture
and we all had experiences. Arah talked about that a
little bit earlier on the show. Uh, do you recall
going through Picture with us? Did you have any experiences there?
Speaker 3 (49:10):
I remember the guy with us thought he heard voices,
and I think one who saw the military people there?
Speaker 8 (49:22):
Somebody saw military men there.
Speaker 2 (49:25):
Devin and I both okay, and we found his grave
and were and we both talked to the men.
Speaker 3 (49:32):
I remember seeing something to the back part, but it
was like a shadow figure as it went across. I
didn't actually see that it was a uniform person.
Speaker 8 (49:44):
But yeah, yeah, that was that.
Speaker 3 (49:47):
Was got a lot of strange vibes out of that cemetery.
It's a very old cemetery too, not very big.
Speaker 2 (49:54):
It's it's one of the oldest, if not the oldest,
in this area. Okay, so well, thank you so much
for coming on and sharing that. That's pretty scary. That'll
give some nightmares to some people, I'm sure is the
goal for this time of year. All right, Well, thanks
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for coming on, Gene, and I will be talking to
you soon about going down to that cemetery. We'll see
if we can't hear the screaming woman, which would be
a little unnerving. I hope she's at rest now, but
we'll check that out, okay, all right, Yeah, Gene and
I do a lot of investigating together, paranormal UFOs, all
(50:37):
kinds of things, so I'm gonna have to have her
come back on the show and we'll talk about some
of the things that we've experienced together in the past.
And one other place I want to mention is Stall
Cemetery in Stall, Cansas. If you haven't been there, don't
go now. The reason I say that is because they
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will not let you in. The place has got a
big fence around it. It's locked up. I don't know
how relative is going to see the graves of people,
but it got a really bad reputation, especially in the
nineteen seventies. Groups of college kids would go out and
there was supposed to be a gateway to hell right
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next to this building that you see here. This is
an old picture. That building is now down. But when
I pulled up here with my vehicle, and looked up
the hill. Now, this is a close up of a
hill way, and this is way in the distance from
where I was in my car, and so I just
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sat there for a few minutes. This is during the day,
and I felt a very very dark, heavy energy up
in the area of where that old building was, And
so then I later found out that that's where they
thought it was a gateway to help. I really don't
think it is a gateway to help, but there is
(52:02):
a dark presence there. But like I said, don't bother
to go because it's a little tiny down and the
people don't want to be bothered, and the cemetery has
a bad reputation. But you're probably not going to really
see or experience anything because you can't get in, so
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but you can drive by and see if you sense anything,
or maybe take some pictures and check your pictures later
see if you get anything in them. That is one
thing that I always recommend to people. If you feel
a presence, even if you don't see anything, start taking
pictures because you never know what's going to show up
on that film. All right, folks, that is it for
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me for tonight, and I thank you for joining me.
Be sure to join me. Next week we're doing our
annual Halloween party and anniversary of the NX Network from
nine to midnight. Next Friday Night is going to be
my show, not at the regular time, so we're doing
(53:07):
a late night show. We've got a lot of guests
coming on telling spooky stories. It's going to be a
lot of fun. So I hope you'll join me, so
I see you here again next week.
It's time for the Unexed News News extraterrestrials, time anomalies,
dimension dimensions, remote viewing, UFOs, UAPs and USO's, ghostly encounters, abductions, Bigfoot,
and more and more, your end of the week news
(00:25):
source for everything everything unexplained. Here is your host for
the unex News podcast, Margie K.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Good evening andbrew one and welcome to Unexed News. I'm
your hosts margorie K and tonight, of course it's the
Halloween season, so we need to talk about graveyards, haunted graveyards,
some of the most haunted the United States. And then
also I have a guest. I did a pre recording
(01:06):
of this with this gentleman who does cemetery clean up
and repairs headstones, and I think that that's fascinating. So
you've heard me talk about my latest book along with
Violet Wisdom. We wrote this book out of research a
haunted house. And I also want to mention a couple
(01:26):
of other books that I've written and rewritten over the years.
This one is Gateway to the Dead. It is a
ghost hunter's field guide from a psychics perspective, so it's
a little bit different than the norm of what you
might expect, and then of course we go through different
types of equipment to use. I even tell you how
(01:48):
to build a ghost hunting box, a spirit box, very
inexpensively so you can speak to the dead and it works.
And then of course it discussed this is all of
the different different types of entities that you might run
into while you're ghost hunting and what to do about them,
(02:09):
how to handle them. And at the end I do
list some really good places to investigate. So there is that,
and then I have this one Haunted Independence, Missouri. This
is a collection of fifty eight sites that I investigated
here in my hometown of Independence, and there are some
(02:35):
pretty pretty scary things going on, some very haunted sites,
and we're going to talk about some of those this evening,
just specifically the cemeteries. So let's go ahead and get
started with that. I'm going to read a little bit
from the book, which I can hardly see there. We're
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going to start with the Woodlawn Cemetery. The earliest burial
at this site dates to eighteen nineteen. The site used
to be three separate cemeteries which were joined into one
very large cemetery bordered by a stone wall. This is
the possible last resting place of the Lady in Gray,
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who has been seen walking on Nolan Road in front
of the property for many years. The cemetery, which is
now owned by Independence Parks and Recreation, is the resting
place for some famous people, including Confederate Brigadier General John
Taylor Hughes, James Andrew Little, member of the James Gang,
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Samuel luck Slayer, judge of the twenty fourth Judicial Circuit
and member of Congress, Lee Roy Smith, Junior, author of
The Fourth King, and Samuel Hughes Woodson, US Congressman. Members
of my paranormal team have visited the cemetery on several
occasions and have been greeted by goat almost every time.
(04:02):
We have seen several full and partial body apparitions, mysterious
orbs darting about and miss in every part of the cemetery.
One person who lives nearby says that they hear knocking
on their back door, but when they go to see
who it is, no one is there. His property borders
the cemetery, so he wonders if it isn't a ghost.
(04:25):
My daughter was searching one day for a particular marker
at the site belonging to her mother in law. When
she sens that someone was trying to tell her to
stop immediately and look down, she stopped and saw a
small marker for a baby girl who was born and
died the same day. The date was my daughter's exact
(04:45):
same birth date, November twenty seventh, nineteen seventy six. So
we wondered what made her look down and why there
was a connection to my daughter, is anyone's guests, but
it seems to be an odd coincidence. Now a little more,
this lady in gray I saw her several years ago,
probably about fifteen years ago, driving on Nolan Road in
(05:08):
front of the cemetery, and I saw a woman in
tattered clothing. She was wearing gray clothes, very thin. She
had either her hair piled up or she had her
hair had short hair. It was gray hair as well,
and really large eyes. And that's one thing that's a
common trait that people say that they see with this
(05:32):
particular lady. And I just thought she was a person
looking for somebody, because she's always asked like she's looking
for someone when anyone sees her. And then she disappeared
in thin air. So I realized I was actually looking
at a spirit, not a human being. Then about five
(05:53):
years ago a couple came to me and filed a
report and so so, and they wanted me to investigate,
but I decided not to after I heard their story.
They were driving around the cemetery at night. Now the
cemetery is closed at night, but somehow they were able
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to get in and they drove their car around. You know,
they have these really thin lanes that go through the cemetery.
And as they came around and were headed towards Nolan Road,
they saw a woman walking on the side of the road.
And this was at about one o'clock in the morning,
so they thought it was somebody who probably needed some help.
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They thought that was pretty odd to see a woman
walking by herself. They said her clothes were tattered, and
they stopped to ask if she needed help. The woman
turned around and looked at them and made a horrid,
horrid scream and a horrid face with huge, huge bug eyes,
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and they took off, realizing that this was not anything normal.
They had just had a paranormal experience, and they said
they will they won't go back to that cemetery during
the daytime much less at the nighttime. Now, I do
want to invite anybody who is watching to go ahead
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in the chat and put your haunted cemetery experience in there.
So that would be good if you would do that. Okay,
So now we're going to go to Pitture Cemetery. This
is in Kansas City, Missouri, just north of forty Highway.
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This family burial plot for the Thomas Pitcher family, established
in eighteen thirty, is also the final resting place for
men who fought in the Revolutionary and Civil wars. Many
Civil War soldiers who perished in a battle nearby in
eighteen sixty four are buried in a mass grave. Another
mass grave in the cemetery which contains pioneers who perished
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from the cholera epidemic of eighteen forty nine to eighteen
fifty one. Most of the grave markers are simple standing
rocks without engraving. It is estimated that over two hundred
people are buried here without markers. Visitors have reported hearing
noises in the trees, seeing glowing bowls of light, and
(08:24):
floating apparitions. I visited the site, which is right next
to a small park with tables and a walking path
one evening at dusk, and then again a few days
later with my older daughter. As I approached the entrance,
I felt the heavy presence of many souls who had
not moved on. I went into a light trance and
(08:44):
walked through the graveyard, camera in hand, taking photos while
communicating with the debt. There are many spirits here who
do not know they have died or are confused about
where they are, and I was able to get a
couple of pictures of orbs, and in one picture which
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I couldn't find for tonight, there were multiple balls of
light and we'd seen these with the naked eye, and
we grabbed some pictures of them. So they were not
lens flares, because lens fairs don't have any relationship to
anything you see with the naked eye. But when you
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take a picture, there was always the chance that you'll
get lens flares, and so you'll get additional balls of
light that are actually not what we believe our spirits
with these balls of light. I went back again recently
with a couple of other investigators, and immediately upon entering,
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one of the investigators and I were drawn to a
grave of a Civil War soldier and we both had
communication with this soldier he stayed there. He said that
he died there right there, next to that spot, and
so they buried him there and they didn't leave a marker.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
And.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
He knew he had passed, but he didn't know how
to move on. And he also gave some information about
his mother. And as he did so, we were drawn
to look at a tree that was nearby that had
a branch out, and the other investigator and I both
saw a woman sitting in the tree at where that
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branch was, and I thought that was pretty odd. We
felt like she was the mother of this soldier, and
so I did try to get him to move on,
and I'm not sure if he did, but we are
planning on going back to see what happens. Okay, now
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I'm going to take a quick skim through here because
there's another site here that I do want to talk about.
One of them is the Haunted Rotary Park, which is
across from the Hill Park Cemetery, and these two are related,
even though the park the parks are just right across
(11:19):
the street from each other. So Roadary Park is located
one block south of twenty third Street and a few
blocks west of Sterling in Independence, Missouri. It's a popular
place for children to play and for adults to walk
on the track around the park. There is a creek
on the south and west side of the park and
a big hill on the west side behind Beyond the creek.
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The park is open to the public year round. What
most visitors don't realize is that the living aren't the
only ones here. My eldest daughter and I used to
take walks in the park almost light nightly, starting in
the spring of two thousand and three. We did not
notice anything unusual about it until Tember of that year,
when the park cleared out earlier in the evenings and
(12:03):
it was fairly quiet. Often we were the only two
people walking. One evening, while briskly walking along the east
side of the track, I felt a shaking in my
entire body that started at my head and jaw, then
traveled downward. This shaking stopped when I moved forward. I
then stepped backward a few steps, and the shaking started again.
(12:25):
I could feel a definite difference in the air in
this one spot. My daughter stepped into the space and
said she felt an electrical type feeling. The next evening,
we returned to the park again. The spot was still
there and felt the same to me. I was intrigued
about it and decided to go into a trance to
see what it might be. We sat on a park
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bench and suddenly I saw spirits all around the park.
Some were in prints, which are what I call time imprints,
where a psychic could see events that happened in the
past as if watching a movie. I saw small log cabins,
send several tent camps, lots of campfires, and many people
milling about, and a few of the apparitions were ghosts.
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The first ghost is a man who hangs out around
the south edge of the park and is there every
time I visit. He looks like an old prospector and
has a gold pan in his hand. And by the way,
he sits at the creek. There's a big creek that
goes through here. He wears a dirty white shirt, suspenders, pants, boots,
and an old raggedy hat. I saw a tent set
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up with a fire and a pot in front of
the tent facing the stream. The man means no harm
to anyone, but he doesn't like it when people get
too close to him. He seems not to realize that
he's dead. There's an odd round impression in the grass
in this area where the grass blades move in the
opposite direction of the wind at times. We've seen that
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on a number of occasions. My daughter and I have
both seen it, and I believe where the man. This
is where the man's tent was located next to the stream,
and the name he gave me is Old George. Another
spirit that haunts this park is that of a young
woman in her late twenties or early thirties. She wears
a long dress and stands next to a large tree
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on the west center side of the park, near the
walking track. She told me her name was Annie. She
feels much attached to the location. The first time I
saw her, I was across the way and I saw
her step out of a tree. When I did a
reading of the area, I also got the name of
Frank James, but I didn't know why there was a
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relationship to this woman at the time. I asked a
local history buff Joe Rudswick, about this location and he
told me that is where there's currently a brick schoolhouse
at the top of the hill, and that's the exact
spot where there was an older school. Frank James's girlfriend
was the school teacher. In those days, it was customary
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for a tea to be unmarried. When the community refused
to let Anne marry Frank James and still retain her
position as a teacher, the school mysteriously burned down. The
entire town thought it was Frank who was responsible, but
they couldn't prove it. Frank then offered to rebuild a school,
but only if his new wife could continue to teach there.
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The town council agreed and the new school was built.
I think this woman is the ghost of Frank James's wife.
I did research on the Internet and found that her
name was Anne, nicknamed Annie Ralston born in eighteen fifty three,
died in nineteen forty four and Frank James born in
eighteen forty three died in nineteen fifty fifteen. Is buried
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in Hill Park. Both of them buried across twenty third
Street and up the hill. Anne Ralston, there's a street
named Ralston because her family was also very prominent in
the area. I think her ghost haunts the park because
she had a strong attachment to the school. This is
a good place to visit if you want to see
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a ghost. If you place your hand on the east
side of the tree, twelve inches away from the tree,
approximately five feet up from the ground, it will feel
noticeably warmer than the air around it. We took a
tour to this park on Halloween night in two thousand
and four. I saw a woman materialize there and then
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turned to white mist. Immediately took the grip to the tree,
and all eleven people could feel the warm spot next
to the tree. Three people could also see the white
mist in the same place. In October of two thousand
and seven, I took a class on two different nights.
On both occasions, everyone felt a difference in temperature next
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to the anti tree, and I was able to get
several photos of orbes. One class attendee had his video
camera battery suddenly during power from one hour of time
left of forty five seconds left in an instant. He
was standing near the tree when it happened. Also at
that same moment, I saw Annie come out of the tree.
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Perhaps she could not materialize until she had taken some
energy from the battery. Other spirits here in the form
of tiny bright orbs and flit about the tree tops.
They occasionally wandered down to the center of the trees.
These feel like young children or possibly sprites, which would
be young, fairy like creatures. There are sprites in at
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least three locations in the park. Tree spiites are actual
spirits of the trees, and they have very individual personalities.
They're visible to almost everyone who looks at them when
they come to the park. Even if these people have
never had any experience in their life, when I take
them here for some reason, they can see them. The
tree spirits have eyes, nose, and mouth, and their face
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changes shape and may even speak to you if you
look at them for a few minutes. If you go
to this park, look for knots in the trees and
watch them for a few minutes. If you listen quietly,
they may tell you something about things they have seen
in the past. This is a good way to do
an investigation of an older area and get help with
finding out what may have transpired there. On the west side,
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in the trees on the other side of the stream,
there's a dark, very ominous, heavy presence. On some nights
it feels as if something is watching from that location.
One evening in early two thousand and five, a dark
shape moved forward to the near side of the stream.
We could not determine what it was, if it was
a ghost or other entity. And this location is, as
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I said earlier, not far from the school on the hill,
which turns out is all so very haunted. Later visits
proved that the dark energy has not left the area.
I don't recommend crossing the stream to the other side. Okay,
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let me find another cemetery, because there are a lot
of places. I'm looking at the book Haunted Independence right now, which,
of course, all of these books are available at Amazon.
By the way, someday I'll talk about one of my
very very haunted houses, the house I live in right now, Okay,
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I'm gonna go. I'm going to talk.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
About mill Mill Street Cemetery.
Speaker 5 (19:47):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
This is in northern Independence. It's an event very quiet neighborhood.
It's a huge cemetery and Joseph smith is Bury there
among other people. Lots of people visit at night, but
they only they can park in a parking lot across
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the street. But at dusk the cemetery locks up, so
you're not supposed to enter the cemetery after dark. But
there really isn't anybody around to watch. There is a
house on one end that may have people in it
that are keeping an eye out, but not not everywhere
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in the cemetery. And there are some rolling hills too.
It's so big. Well, one evening, my seventeen year old daughter,
when she was seventeen, decided that she would go to
the cemetery alone at midnight for some unknown reason, and
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she across the street in the parking lot, climb the
fence to get into the cemetery and walked down one
of the little roads and then found a place to sit.
She sat down and leaned it next to a tree,
and she said, if there really are ghosts, I would
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like to see one, please show yourself. And just a
few seconds later, off in the distance, she sees a
woman coming towards her. The woman was wearing a white nightgown.
This is pretty common for some reason, but as it
got closer, first she thought it might have been a person,
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but as it got closer she realized it was floating.
It wasn't walking, and she had no feet, but it
was a full bodied apparition other than the feet, and
it just got closer and closer to her. Well, she
decided to get out of there, and she stood up
and ran out and kept running and running, and she'd
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looked behind her and the ghost was still there, following
her the whole way that she's running to get out
of this cemetery. She jumped the fence, went over to
her car, and the ghost stopped at the edge of
the cemetery as if it couldn't go any further. So
she left called me the next day and told me
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about it. So of course I had to get my
team out there. So we had a team of five
who went to investigate, and we split up into two teams.
Three people went up the hill and down the area
where the spirit had first materialized, and then two of
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us stayed behind, not too far from the front of
the cemetery, maybe fifty feet away, and we found a
place to sit down a bench. It was very very
dark that night, a little bit of moonlight, and we
were very very quiet. When we heard voices, we heard
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voices of people talking, so we thought that the other
three investigators were actually walking back, coming back, but we
couldn't see them. And then we saw this big dark
cloud appear in the center of this dip in the road.
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So it's down in the step and we're still hearing
the voices. We couldn't understand what they were saying, but
there were definitely people having a conversation. We're looking all around,
don't see anybody around, just this dark blob in the
center of the road. And then the three investigators appear
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at the top of the hill and we saw them
coming down, so they as they approached this dark energy,
it dissipated. And then the three investigators came to us
and we told them what happened, and they said they
weren't even talking, so it definitely wasn't them. And what
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that darkness was I don't know, but that that was
a pretty scary moment, and we decided not to go
back to that particular cemetery. Even if you have a
lot of people around you, sometimes scary things happened and
you just don't want to revisit that again. So what
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we're going to do right now is take a short break.
When we come back, I am going to show you
this video. We'll be back right after this.
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Speaker 2 (25:33):
And I'm here this evening with Kurt Jordan AKAKC cemetery Men.
Welcome to the program.
Speaker 6 (25:40):
Kurt, Well, it's great to be here. Thank you for
having me be a guest this evening.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Well, I heard about your services and I thought, boy,
that is right up my alley, and it's such a
unique service that you do. How did you get into
some cleaning headstones? And I guess that any items at
cemeteries that might be needing it.
Speaker 7 (26:03):
Well, this is a few years back. I was at
this point, I'm retired, but I was still working and
I lived in Dallas at the time. My family is
from the Saint Joseph, Missouri area, and my late father
reached out to me and he said, I found this
old cemetery, to Pioneer Cemetery where we have ancestors who
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are buried there, and the headstones are toppled over. Would
you help me put the headstones back together. Well, the
truth we know my father was in no condition physically
to put headstones together, so I said I will do that.
I put three headstones together. My dad was kind enough
to set in a lawn chair under a shade tree
and supervise me.
Speaker 6 (26:45):
So that's how it began.
Speaker 7 (26:47):
I did the three headstones for my family members, and
while I was working on it, I was looking around
this entire cemetery and the whole thing was a disarray.
The obelisk were toppled over, the tablets had fractured, they
were being the mowers were running over them. So I
just looked at the cemetery and realized there was more
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work to do than just the three markers for my
family members. So I took training that was necessary to
learn the proper skills for putting headstones back together, and
then equally as important, I secured approval from the county
commissioners who had oversight. So that's how it started. It
was pretty humble. I repaired three markers for family members
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and I just kept going.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
And how long ago did you start doing that?
Speaker 7 (27:35):
It's about six years ago at this point. And now
I've just taken this thing's really taken off.
Speaker 6 (27:41):
I'm going all.
Speaker 7 (27:42):
Over the Midwest really doing this sort of work myself
and training others as well.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
And do you get volunteers to help you with these projects?
Speaker 7 (27:53):
I do, In all honesty, I've never really sought out volunteers.
I kind of liked the solitude of doing the work
myself and at my own pace. But all of a sudden,
I'm really being contacted by a lot of individuals that
have a desire to participate, either in cleaning, which is
kind of the way a lot of folks get involved
in symmetry preservation, and then moving on up into more
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sophisticated repairs and lifting with tripods and straps and everything
else that we use to lift monuments back in place. So, yes,
I have a number of folks that volunteer with me
at this point.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Well, here's a photo of one of your tripods. What
are we looking at here?
Speaker 7 (28:37):
Well, this is a great example. This is a granddaughter
and a grandfather who have taken over repairing the cemetery
out in what's called Andrew County, Missouri, northwest Missouri, and
they do a lot of really good work themselves. Unfortunately,
this was a really heavy obelisk, probably around eight to
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nine hundred pounds that they were unable to lift themselves safely.
And I, fortunately, I know what I'm doing. I've lifted
a number of these and I have the equipment to
do it. So they reached out to me and asked
me if I would come help them reset that obelisk.
Speaker 6 (29:11):
So that's what's.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Going on there, and certainly would need that kind of
equipment to do that. Is this a different it is?
Speaker 7 (29:22):
Actually, yes, it is.
Speaker 6 (29:24):
In this instance. This is in the Union.
Speaker 7 (29:26):
Cemetery in Kansas City, Missouri, and a nearby tree in
a windstorm had knocked that obelisk off the base, and
I volunteer and I helped the crew there from time
to time repair markers in that cemetery as well. So
that's what I'm doing resetting that obelisk.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Then you sent me this photo. We have a before
and after photo. Obviously this is the before before the
cleaning and then after wow, look at that. That's amazing.
Speaker 7 (30:00):
Yeah, in this case, I always I only use specialized
biological cleaners designed specifically for cleaning headstones, and it's safe.
It's recognended by the National Parks Department. And also along
with the products I use for cleaning and the methodology,
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the brushes I use are called Tampico brushes and they
are made specifically for cleaning headstones and marble in this case,
so everything is very customized. I'm not using products as
I say that you would find under your sink and
or cleaning a shower and things of that nature. They're
very specialized, and we're very protective of the stones. And
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as we say, the term is we do no harm.
We're very mindful of the age of these stones and
we protect them.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Yes, and I could imagine that there are many things
that would be damage, that could possibly damage or pit
the stones if you didn't use the right brushes or
the right chemicals. And in your case, you're using biological
So that's good. Here you are teaching a class right right.
Speaker 7 (31:18):
That happens to be in a old city cemetery in Plattsburgh, Missouri,
and I'm kind of leading the instructions there, and I
happen to have a tampico brush in my hand, and folks,
so we see images that look like this and they
think that I'm cleaning headstones with a wire brush, and
that would never ever ever happen. So I always point
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that out, that's a tampico brush, and I'm providing instructions
to the folks that are participating there.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Yeah, my husband is a mason, and I know who
uses wire brushes for his tuck pointing and cleaning up
stones a lot. So we'll just keep him away from
these projects that you're doing so well. When you're when
you want to go into a cemetery on a project
you said you mentioned the county. Is it the county
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commissioner that oversees that.
Speaker 7 (32:13):
Yeah, it really varies, and many times these are abandoned
pioneer cemeteries. I'm working on a lot of cemeteries when
the you know, I'll say mid to late eighteen hundreds,
so there may not be a true cemetery board, or
there may be, or there oftentimes is a historical society
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or the county has assumed responsibility. And I always make
it a point before I ever do any work any
cemetery to gain proper approval from the entity that has oversight,
and sometimes you know, it takes multiple emails and phone
calls to find out who that person or that organization is.
Speaker 6 (32:55):
But I think that's really critical.
Speaker 7 (32:57):
Before we go racing in and doing any sort.
Speaker 6 (32:59):
Of repair, that we have approval.
Speaker 7 (33:01):
And I always emphasize that, you know, I'm using the
right products and the safe products and the methodology is correct,
rather than just I'm just a guy doing this off
the street. You know, there's some training involved as well.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Certainly, have you well, I have to ask this, since
this show is about unexplained phenomena, have you ever experienced
anything paranormal while you're working on these things?
Speaker 7 (33:31):
I thought you might ask that. In all honesty, only
one peculiar occasion out of all the times I've been
in a cemetery, and truthfully, I would attribute it to
me probably being dehydrated, just wiped out at the end
of the day. But you know, from time to time
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you kind of have a sense that maybe the souls
at rest are kind of watching over you and they're
pleased that you're cleaning their stones or resetting them in
a peculiar way. But there was one day. It was,
like I said, late in the afternoon. I was pretty
well worn out at this point from working all day.
I just had the sensation or the sense that someone
was standing behind me. So of course I turn around
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and there's no one there. But I always say, if
someone had been there, I would have left my vehicle
and all my equipment and you know, scampered out of
the cemetery. But that was the one and only time.
But again it was probably just me being dehydrated at
the end of the day.
Speaker 6 (34:31):
But that was it.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Okay. Well, I know the Union cemetery that you mentioned
earlier is supposed to be very haunted and paranormal investigators
visit that place a lot. So so do you do
your work during the day though, I would.
Speaker 7 (34:48):
Imagine, yeah, well by nature, yeah, I always do, and
I started early.
Speaker 6 (34:53):
In the morning and wrap up.
Speaker 7 (34:54):
You know, I'll try to put in a full day,
but I'm certainly done by dark. So maybe that that
would change, you know, what's transpiring in the cemetery after
I leave. But while I'm there, I feel pretty safe
and secured.
Speaker 6 (35:10):
I've done work Union, but it's always been.
Speaker 7 (35:13):
In the morning, so maybe things are a little calmer
at that point.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
So, yeah, yeah, I would imagine. So now I looked
at your website and I noticed that you've got QR
code next to some of your gravestones that you've cleaned.
Speaker 7 (35:29):
What is that about, Well, there was an opportunity in
the cemetery I've done a lot of work in and
initially where I started. It's called Greenwick Cemetery in Amazonia, Missouri,
northwest Missouri. And while I was going through this project
of reassembling all the headstones and so forth, I came
in contact with an amazing genealogist who had assembled a
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great deal of informations about the souls at rest, their
life stories, where they came from, their occupation, the relationships
with one another. But she had assembled this over a
period of about forty years, and it just occurred to
me we needed to take this information and put it
in some sort of a template form, in a format
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that it could be accessed by anyone wanting to visit
the cemetery. So it became more than just a grouping
of headstones. You can actually go around and I have
the QR codes set up on a metal steak right
next to the headstones. Nothing is a fix to the stones.
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But you can scan the QR codes and pull up
a life history of these individuals and oftentimes we have
photographs and a little bit.
Speaker 6 (36:46):
Of story behind them. But it's been a real hit.
Speaker 7 (36:51):
And in fact, here recently we had one hundred and eightieth
anniversary for this cemetery and had a large heathering citizens
that came out and there's a photograph showing one of
the QR codes that they really enjoyed walking around the
cemetery and learning about who these individual individuals were. And
we had charactery enactors as well. But it's just a
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terrific format for getting information out and sharing, you know,
just general information about who these folks were when they
were alive, and in essence, we're kind of bringing the
stones to life in a certain way.
Speaker 5 (37:30):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
Well, and here's an award that you received, twenty twenty
four Mcreynold's Award to Greenwick Cemetery, Savannah and Andrew County
in recognition of ongoing commitment announcestanding achievement in historic preservation.
That's nice, and of course you've got several news segments
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about you and I wanted to show this because since
I can find it sorry, I'm scrolling guys. Sorry about that,
but I wanted to I found something interest here. It
is here, it is You were just talking about the
Andrew County the cemetery in Amazonia, Missouri. Well he this man,
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Peter Moser from eighteen eighteen eighteen seventy three was born
in Switzerland and emigrated to the United States in eighteen
thirty four. In Ohio. He married Anna Zimmerman, who was
also a Swiss immigrant, and they came to this area
of Andrew County. In eighteen forty two. Peter helped lay
out the town of Amazonia. Both are buried in Greenwick Cemetery.
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And I thought it was very interesting that they had
ten children, and which at that time that was common
because people needed children to help you usually with farming.
And then here is a cutout, and I assume that
this genealogical researcher found this information. An old citizen of
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Andrew County killed a gentleman from AMAZONI informs us that
on Sunday evening, mister Peter Moser, who resided some two
miles north of that place, was kicked to death by
a horse. We failed to obtain the full particulars of
the accident. Mister Moser was one of the oldest and
best residents of Andrew County and was well known in
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this city. Oh my gosh, what a way to die.
That would not have been good. Take that out. But
it's very interesting that you've been able to compile this
information and then put a curo car because a lot
of people are very interested in genealogy, but especially can
you imagine if they run across one of their own
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relatives and they find out information they didn't know about before.
Speaker 5 (39:59):
That's absolutely yeah.
Speaker 7 (40:01):
I've I've been in contact with a lot of these
descendants through the years. They've discovered what's going on in
particular Greenwick Cemetery. They've reached out to me, and in
one case, I had an individual that said, Hey, I
know my great great grandmother's headstone is there. It's in pieces.
Would you put it back together? Well, here in the
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last month, I should back up, probably a year ago,
I've reassembled this headstone. But within the last month I
had the opportunity to meet this great great granddaughter at
the cemetery and walk her down and show her that marker.
So and we have a QR code created for her
great great granddaughter, her grandmother. So it's really fascinating to
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be able to not only connect with the past, with
the souls at rest, but also connect with the descendants
that have an appreciation for this work as well.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
Yeah, that just makes it extra special. But it's one
thing to visit a grave site of a relative, but
if you really don't know the history, because you know,
most people aren't genealogists. I am. I'm being fascinated with
it about twenty years ago and worked on ancestry and
then my daughter took over the family genealogy, so she's
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obsessed with it. But most people aren't. So this is
a really good connection. It's an extra special thing that
you're doing. I really, you know, enjoy finding out about
you and I think this is awesome. If people want
to learn more about how to do this themselves, do
you have a YouTube video where they can learn it?
Speaker 7 (41:40):
I do have a YouTube channel, Casey semmetery Man, and
the video providing instruction on how to clean headstones is
on there. The other thing I would point out, and
I should have said this in the intro all of
my efforts in the field of cemetery preservation, I always
there are always a high or percent free of charge, including
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seminars and training classes that I put on for others.
So when I have events scheduled, I also have a
Facebook page Casey symmetry Man, and my website as well,
but I communicate where these events are being held in
the times and invite folks to come out and participate.
They're all hands on. I'll do a brief intro and
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an instructional period, but then they're often running and they
actually get to use the tools and.
Speaker 6 (42:31):
Products and everything else. So it's a wonderful day.
Speaker 7 (42:34):
They become comfortable with the process, and then they're able to,
with approval, move on and do other projects and become
involved in other symmetriies where they may have family members
or whatever the case may be.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
Well, that's just fantastic. I love your story, love what
you're doing. Thank you so much for visiting us this evening.
Speaker 7 (42:56):
Well, thank you, Margie, it's been a real pleasure to
be with you.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
Going to bring in my good friend and co researcher,
Jane Walker now, and Jane is muted, so as soon
as you unmute yourself, we should be able to hear you.
And we've got the you got it video going there.
You are okay? How are you doing tonight, Jeane?
Speaker 8 (43:19):
I'm fine. How are you Margie?
Speaker 5 (43:21):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (43:22):
I am good. And of course we're talking about haunted
cemeteries right now, and you've got a story to tell.
Of course happened to your brother, but please tell us
that story.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
Well, my mother, her family came from little Town, southern
Missouri Dixon. Vienna is just around Jeff's city. And so
when my brother was thirteen, I called and talked to
him to get some more details before I did this,
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and he said he was thirteen years old. My mother
decided I did to take him with her down there
to meet some of our relatives. I don't know where
I was, but I didn't go. And so they drive
down there. My grandparents were with them, and after visiting
the spending one night, they family decided they wanted to
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go to the cemetery in Vienna, Missouri, and where a
lot of the relatives had been buried. So they all
piled into a car and drove down to the cemetery.
When they got there, everybody got out and my brother said,
as soon as he got out, he could hear this
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woman just screaming. He said, just like, I said, well,
what did it sound like. Did it sound like she
was in the grave? He said, yes, almost it did.
He said he was scared maybe somebody got buried alive.
And he said because when the woman would scream, it
was a panic scream and it was very loud, and
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so he said he noticed everybody else was just acting
very nonchalot and nobody was paying any attention. And so
he finally says, don't you people hear that woman screaming?
And they all looked at him like he was out
of this world because no one could hear it but him,
(45:22):
And he said, My mom kind of nudged at him
and said, Ted.
Speaker 8 (45:28):
My brother's name is Ted Myers.
Speaker 3 (45:30):
She said, Ted, be quiet and quit saying this because
he just kept going on. But he said, it was
such a frightening scream. And so they went ahead and
walked around in the cemetery, and he said, for about
the first ten minutes that they were there, he proceeded
to hear this woman screaming. Finally, because he didn't want
(45:54):
to shut up, my mother grabbed him and pulled him
to the side and she said, Ted, you have ought
to be quiet.
Speaker 8 (46:01):
They're going to think you're crazy if you don't shut up.
But he said he was just terrified. It scared him so.
Speaker 5 (46:08):
Bad all that.
Speaker 3 (46:10):
Yeah, I mean, you know, he kept thinking, well, why
is she screaming? Is she, you know, been buried alive?
Why would anyone scream like that? And he said it
sounded as though it was coming from the grave. So yes,
So that was a very frightening thing for him. So
on their way home, he asked my mother, he said, Mom,
(46:33):
I don't understand. Didn't you hear that lady screaming? She said, Ted,
nobody else could hear anybody screaming? And he said it
wasn't an empty cemetery. He said there was about ten
other people. They're visiting graves, and he said it was
a beautiful day and the sun was shining and bright
(46:55):
fall day as a matter of fact, but he said
he could hear and the terror that he felt when
in hearing this, So I know that.
Speaker 8 (47:05):
Would scare me.
Speaker 2 (47:07):
Oh, I can't imagine, especially as a teenager. You know,
he didn't know that much about bear normal events at
that age. You know, he you and Ted, obviously your brother,
you're related. You're both psychic, So no doubt that was
the reason that he picked that up. But you know,
(47:30):
they used to put bells on top of graves with
a string going down inside the coffin just in case,
you know, they buried somebody and they were actually still
alive and they could ring that bell and get out.
But I can't imagine.
Speaker 3 (47:48):
Yeah, he was that they're scared to death, and my
mother was wantn't to choking because they wouldn't shut up
about it, and nobody else she you know, and he
had never met these relevantes, so she was really afraid
that they were going to think he was touched in.
Speaker 2 (48:04):
The head or something.
Speaker 3 (48:05):
But hear this, and plus I imagine it kind of
unnerved them to hear him, you know, say that to him,
Well don't you hear.
Speaker 8 (48:13):
That woman screaming like that? And no one could hear
it but him.
Speaker 3 (48:18):
So my brother he comes across a lot of strange
things that he sees that other people don't. In this case,
hears things that other people don't. But I'm no, I'm
wondering why she was screaming and why he was the
only one to hear it.
Speaker 8 (48:33):
I wish I'd been down there with.
Speaker 2 (48:35):
Him, you know. Well, you know, we do our two
women in a map. Yes, research, We should probably go
there and check it out ourselves.
Speaker 8 (48:47):
That would be fun.
Speaker 3 (48:48):
I'd love to do that. We haven't checked the cemetery
out lately.
Speaker 2 (48:53):
No, we haven't. The last time we did was Picture
and we all had experiences. Arah talked about that a
little bit earlier on the show. Uh, do you recall
going through Picture with us? Did you have any experiences there?
Speaker 3 (49:10):
I remember the guy with us thought he heard voices,
and I think one who saw the military people there?
Speaker 8 (49:22):
Somebody saw military men there.
Speaker 2 (49:25):
Devin and I both okay, and we found his grave
and were and we both talked to the men.
Speaker 3 (49:32):
I remember seeing something to the back part, but it
was like a shadow figure as it went across. I
didn't actually see that it was a uniform person.
Speaker 8 (49:44):
But yeah, yeah, that was that.
Speaker 3 (49:47):
Was got a lot of strange vibes out of that cemetery.
It's a very old cemetery too, not very big.
Speaker 2 (49:54):
It's it's one of the oldest, if not the oldest,
in this area. Okay, so well, thank you so much
for coming on and sharing that. That's pretty scary. That'll
give some nightmares to some people, I'm sure is the
goal for this time of year. All right, Well, thanks
(50:14):
for coming on, Gene, and I will be talking to
you soon about going down to that cemetery. We'll see
if we can't hear the screaming woman, which would be
a little unnerving. I hope she's at rest now, but
we'll check that out, okay, all right, Yeah, Gene and
I do a lot of investigating together, paranormal UFOs, all
(50:37):
kinds of things, so I'm gonna have to have her
come back on the show and we'll talk about some
of the things that we've experienced together in the past.
And one other place I want to mention is Stall
Cemetery in Stall, Cansas. If you haven't been there, don't
go now. The reason I say that is because they
(50:58):
will not let you in. The place has got a
big fence around it. It's locked up. I don't know
how relative is going to see the graves of people,
but it got a really bad reputation, especially in the
nineteen seventies. Groups of college kids would go out and
there was supposed to be a gateway to hell right
(51:19):
next to this building that you see here. This is
an old picture. That building is now down. But when
I pulled up here with my vehicle, and looked up
the hill. Now, this is a close up of a
hill way, and this is way in the distance from
where I was in my car, and so I just
(51:41):
sat there for a few minutes. This is during the day,
and I felt a very very dark, heavy energy up
in the area of where that old building was, And
so then I later found out that that's where they
thought it was a gateway to help. I really don't
think it is a gateway to help, but there is
(52:02):
a dark presence there. But like I said, don't bother
to go because it's a little tiny down and the
people don't want to be bothered, and the cemetery has
a bad reputation. But you're probably not going to really
see or experience anything because you can't get in, so
(52:25):
but you can drive by and see if you sense anything,
or maybe take some pictures and check your pictures later
see if you get anything in them. That is one
thing that I always recommend to people. If you feel
a presence, even if you don't see anything, start taking
pictures because you never know what's going to show up
on that film. All right, folks, that is it for
(52:47):
me for tonight, and I thank you for joining me.
Be sure to join me. Next week we're doing our
annual Halloween party and anniversary of the NX Network from
nine to midnight. Next Friday Night is going to be
my show, not at the regular time, so we're doing
(53:07):
a late night show. We've got a lot of guests
coming on telling spooky stories. It's going to be a
lot of fun. So I hope you'll join me, so
I see you here again next week.
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