September 16, 2025 • 52 mins
Tonight, Tom Dongo shares his years of research into the strange events in and near Sedona, Arizona. Tom Dongo is a long-time resident of Sedona, Arizona. He is recognized as a world authority, and one of the United States of America's leading authorities, on UFOs, paranormal occurrences, and remote viewer, and over the course of many years has been a key lecturer at numerous U.S national and international conferences, including the International UFO Congress. He studied at the Berkeley International Psychic Institute in Santa Cruz, California, and has spent the last thirty (30) years in the greater Sedona, Arizona area, which is known as one of the premier UFO hot-spots of the world. Mr. Dongo is a writer of mainstream magazine articles and the author of eight (8) books on the paranormal including ~ The Mysteries of Sedona: The New Age Frontier, The Alien Tide (Mysteries of Sedona, Book 2), The Quest, The Quest: Twenty-Six Who have Answered the Call to Sedona Peak of Their Spiritual Quests & Experiences, The Quest: In Pursuit of the Ultimate Mastery, Merging Dimensions Vol.1: The Opening Portals of Sedona, Everything You Wanted to Know about Sedona in a Nutshell, Unseen Beings, Unseen World. Join the X at www.unxnetwork.com to get our newsletter and other perks!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:47):
Good evening, everyone, Welcome to unexed News. I'm your host,
Margie K. And uh this evening. We were supposed to
have two shows back to back. My first guest is
a reachable, so we're early tonight with my second guest,
so uh, he will be boy, this is going to
(01:08):
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you want to join us in the chat, of course,
you can always make a comment and I will pop
any questions up our comments that you may have. My
(01:56):
guest tonight is Tom Dongo. He is a long time
I'm resident of Sedona, Arizona, and is recognized as a
world authority on Sedona. He's one of the United States
of America's leading authorities on UFO's paranormal occurrences, and he
is a remote viewer and over the course of many years,
has been a key lecturer at numerous US national and
(02:20):
international conferences, including the International UFO Congress. He studied at
the Berkeley International Psychic Institute at Santa Cruz, California, and
has been the last thirty years in the greater Sedona,
Arizona area, which is known as one of the premier
UFO hotspots of the world. And he's also written eight
(02:41):
books which we will talk about. And so without further ado,
I will bring on mister Tom Dongo. Thank you for
joining us tonight.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Tom Cott me Eatons spaghetti.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Okay, yeah, I'm sorry to rush you. You an hour
earlier than you were supposed to be on. Uh, but
I really wanted to go live with the show. So
so this is great and you uh ended up in Sedona.
But but let's go back to uh, whenever you got
interested in these subjects? How did that happen?
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Well? You know, can you hear me? Okay? Now is
it work?
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Okay? Good, good good? Uh. Well, you know what I
got into it. I had had a skee shop in Reno, Nevada,
and uh, this is what got me into all of
this stuff. So we used to take an hour for
lunch every day. And so we did go for a
walk or something, you know, and I I, uh, I
(03:47):
was walking down the sidewalk and a giant pair of
hands grabbed me. Uh, and I've heard of this before.
It's not it wasn't just me, it's I've heard of
it before. So it was steering me along the street
and I didn't hurt, but you know they were I mean,
these were giant hands from my shoulder down to my waist.
(04:08):
And then it turned me into a parking lot. It
was weaving me around through cars, and I came to
a bookstore, went inside and it's it's steering me through
the aisles and uh I and it bent me over.
There was about a bunch of used books on the
bottom shelf, and uh, there was a book that seth
(04:31):
Speaks by Jane Roberts. Yes, and I spent six months
studying that books, the phenomenal book. It was she channeled
an entity named uh Seth and uh it was intelligent,
not from this earth, is from something not nobody's that smart.
So anyway, I spent that's what got me into all
of this. I guess it got my mind tuned into
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this stuff. And I've been You're the one hundred and
seventh worldwide show I've been on in twelve years about
over one hundred million people. So I've been around the
block a lot.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Mm hmm. So I uh now that the hands I
assumed they were unseen, Yeah, you just felt them.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Yeah. So so anyway, that's what got me into all
this stuff. I forgot to turn the kitchen light off.
I can see it behind me, is real bright. Yeah. Yeah,
so that that's what got me into this stuff and
that uh yeah, it must have been fifty years ago now,
(05:44):
and I've been I've been in everything. I mean you
you you can name it, and I've been into it.
I'm pretty famous.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
For this stuff obviously. Yes.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Yeah, well you know there's no I don't have any
EU and it has been a lot of money either.
But I it's something I I I'm destined to do.
I mean, it's obvious now that I was. It was
my agreement when to come into this life, should be
into this stuff. And I I, uh I have I
have a real strong curiosity, I mean and no fear.
(06:21):
When Linda Bradshaw and I were on the Bradshaw Ranch,
we learned one thing, all the all the stuff that
happened out there. We were famous. We were famous for
Linda died three years ago. She's not here anymore of it.
But uh we we were. I mean, we had camera
crew after camera crew after camera crew out there every week. Uh.
I got so tired of being an interviewer. But it
was it was fun. But so we we we uh I,
(06:48):
I you know, we we we learned that these things,
whatever it was that was out there, hated human fear.
If somebody was terror stricken, nothing would happen. But my
book Merging Dimensions is a very popular book. And uh
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and the bridge do you know about the bread sh
orange magic? Oh? No mind you we lost the sound.
No sound, no sound, no sound.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
I gots okay. I've remote viewed Bradshaw several times for
other investigators. I have not been there in person, but
I basically was so, yeah, I know what's going on there.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Yeah, well, I've been out I spent four and a
half years out there. I've been out there between four
and five hundred times, and right now, this this last
week has been some some fantastic stuff going on out there.
You know, I'm eighty years old, so I don't I
don't get out in the field too much anymore. But uh,
Alejandro Rojas is here. He's a famous guy from Chile
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UFOs and everything we do. He's ands in that I
must meet him tomorrow. He doesn't speak English, but he
has a woman with him. I guess for DIC that's
going to be all right. So anyway, Alejandro was out
there last night, camped out there by the Bradshaw Range.
(08:16):
So nothing bad ever happened to anybody on the Bradshaw Ranch.
It's not not like the Skinwalker Ranch. The skin Walker
Ranches is no place to fool around, you know, I
know those guys, and so the stuff that went on
the Bradshaw anches was good stuff, you know, it was positive,
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and it's the skin Walking Ranch is just the opposite.
There's a lot of bad things that happened there. I
think there's some kind of a creature I have. I
have a phenomenal psychic ability. I can scan things. I
guess I was taught that at the Berkeley Psychic Institute.
I learned that I had a lot of psychic abilities
that even the best of them didn't. But so so
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I'm able to scan places like like radar and uh
I have I told you earlier I have a UH.
I was a medical intuitive and I can I did
it for years, and I found out that if I
charged money, it didn't work. I could have, you know,
(09:26):
be a millionaire my now if I sort of stuff
I worked on, but if I if I charged money
for it didn't work. So I could scan somebody and
tell them what was wrong with them. And cancer was hell,
absolutely hell. But I've even done it on medical doctors
with ninety ninety five hit rate the help and UH.
(09:51):
I used to UH. My office is coffee shops around Scedona,
So I would people would come up and ask me
all the time, scan me please. I never turned anybody
down and told them what was wrong with them. But
my problem was I couldn't prescribe drugs. There's a guy
in Phoenix, UH, anyway, he could do both. He was phenomenal.
(10:16):
I mean he had he cured cured a woman friend
of mine. She had something wrong with her anyway, She's
sitting in a chair and cry all day issues in
such pain. He cured her in ten minutes. Wow, yeah,
and that can be done. I mean it's just you
know she'd been to endless doctors. I mean, you know, yeah,
(10:37):
endless doctors.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Well that's I'm a medical intuitive as well, and I
see inside the body. Yeah, and I know exactly what
you're talking about. You can zone in on the problem
instantly without going through all these medical tests. They should
they should hire people like us at one at every
hospital problem cases. Uh. And maybe someday they'll do that.
(11:02):
But how did you discover that you were a remote viewer?
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Well, you know, that's a that's an interesting thing. You know.
I would happily spend the rest of my life in
remote viewing. Actually, I haven't used a question over a
year now, I guess, so I'm having to remember things.
But I was, I had things happen to me, so
I I probably I was born with the ability. I
(11:30):
realize it now. I was born with the remote viewing
ability and I. You know, I Ingo Swan and Russell Tower.
I can't. I can't even come close to Ingo Swan
what he could do. Russell Twer. Probably I'm probably fairly
close to what he could do. But uh I I uh.
I had a friend of mine. Him is a psychologist
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and he h he lives in Durango and I was
living in Sedona. So we played. He tested me for
about five months to see how good I was. You
want to we want to see how good I was,
you know? So so we did and I had I
had about an eighty five percent hit right, which is
(12:15):
way about even some of the best remote viewers. He
would put stuff out on the table, his dining room table,
and and I would I would remote view him and
uh his the animals and the birds could see. Is
that the instant I was in the room, they could
see me. His dog. I must have looked like a
(12:36):
ghost to them, Yes, his dog Binkie. I was. I
was like, I remote view I can't I would you know,
send myself there? Uh prepel myself there and his dog.
I got right right in front of the dog one
day and I said, you little blank blank, you can
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actually see me, can't you? And the dog is going
and I was looking at him, so you can actually
see me. And so Tom tested me, and it was
it was pretty phenomenal. I would appear at his house
above his his driveway, but the second but second story
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in his office was right there. I would go through
the last window. I'd float through the office window and
then go down his circular stairs and find him. And
so this went on for a long time. He's still
one of my best friends, doctor Tom o'donald. He's still
on my best friends. So so I told him I
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would never look in the bathrooms, you know, I would never.
I'd always look the other way when I went by
a bathroom, so I never did. So so I get
down there and this story that's I probably you know,
I've probably been told this story to fifty million people
in the last twelve years. But uh this, uh this,
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Uh I fought some terror going down the steps one
the stairs one time and uh and uh Tom was.
I got there half an hour early and I could
see Tom. I watched Tom. He was you know, headed,
red lumberjack shirt on blue jeans and cowboy boots and
(14:24):
cowboy belt and he was cooking. You can smell you
know removie, you can smell stuff as I was as
well as you can see. And so I thought he
was smell like spaghetti, and it was it was something else,
and he was he was a gourmet chef of some
kind of thing Italian anything that I never heard of.
So so anyway, I got, I got, you know, went
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halfway down the stairs and the terror. I looked all
around in my mind and scanned everything I couldn't I
couldn't see anything. So uh, we had we had an
agreement with me and Tom that we would be the
only ones that there, and so I had come half
an hour earlier. I think we said seven thirty and
I got there seventh and so so I said Tom,
(15:13):
you know, he'd be on the phone and I'd be
floating next next to him. And this is crazy stuff.
The bird I used to go into it. He had
a tropical birdhouse, and the birds used to go nuts
when I came in. When in in there, they'd follow
me around. They'd follow me around, they'd follow me around,
and I could I could smell the flowers in the
tropical and the dampness, and they had to be real
damp because they were all tropical birds. But they'd be
(15:33):
flying around me. So anyway, I I said, Tom, you know,
I said, like I say, we had the agreement. That
was just me and him, And I said, Tom, is
there somebody else here? And this still baffles the hell
out of me? He said he kind of got a
(15:54):
little bit shy, you know, you kind of guilty. And
he said, yeah, I invited my nest next door neighbor over.
This still freaks me out, it really does. And he says,
he's sitting right there on the couch. I could see
the couch clearly, but I couldn't see his next door neighbor.
Oh my, I couldn't see him at all. And I
think somebody somebody said on one of the shows I
(16:18):
was on there might have been somebody that didn't have
a soul, you know. I thought, well, yeah, if a
guy didn't have a soul, you know, that would make
sense I couldn't see him.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Or maybe extraterrestrial.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Yeah, could have been that too, because I've studied extraterrestrials
for over fifty years now, so I know a lot.
And I was face to face with an extraterrestrial girl
materialized right in front of me, and I had a
witness my girlfriend at the time. We talked for about
ten minutes and then the girl de materialized, I mean
poof there and then poof gone, And I could see
(16:52):
for hundreds of yards in all directions. And she wasn't
you know, she wasn't she wasn't human, you know.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Yeah, and you smoke with her.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Yeah, we talked. Me and my girlfriend talked. We were
at an Indian ruin near Sedona, Sonawa, Indian ruin, and
the girl wanted to talk about the the the petroc
glyphs the Indians had left on the rocks. So uh
an interesting thing. They were all sex sexual, all these
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petrick glyphs that they uh on the walls, you know,
the glyphs, you know, the so anyway, and then then
she I turned my my uh, my girlfriend went the
the It was a dry creek, but the river, the
river the dry the water was roaring because it had
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been raining for weeks. And so I turned for two
seconds to talk to her. I turned my head back
and the girl was gone and she was nowhere in sight.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
And we talked to her, you know, and your girlfriend
saw too.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Yeah, we talked to her. Wow, the girl, the extra
extraterrestrial girl wanted to talk about the petry clyps, so
we did. That's all we talked about. And the funny
thing is was around here, it's not there's not much crime,
but but uh most uh most women have a dog
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almost always. So I was uh been raining the days before,
so the mud was six inches thick all over the place,
and uh uh I was hot and sweaty and tired
because you take one step, you got six inches of
mud on the bottom of the boot, you know. So
the girl suddenly appeared in red uh red pants in
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a white wolf sweater, and I saw her come out
of the woods, and I was thinking, where did she
come from? And she didn't know, no dog, where's the dog?
No dog? So she she went over and talked to
my uh, Petrolina, my girlfriend, and uh so I most
of the girl. I said, you over here, because I
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couldn't find the trail down to the ruins, and I
mean it was steep, I mean it was almost extremely
steep now. And I said, you don't happen to know
where the trail that is it goes down to the ruins.
So she went over and she pointed right right there
by my feet. I looked and sure enough that it
had rained enough so that I couldn't see, I couldn't
find the trail. So we went down there. I mean,
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she was dressed in streech shoes. You know, no way,
no way, no steep, steep, you know, you had to
go from rock to rock. And so then we were
with Petroline and I were down uh she was. She
went over by the water in the beginning, and I
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turned around and the girl had materialized so close to me.
If I had to actually she was behind me, and
if I had to turned, I would have knocked her over.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
So oh my goodness that I wonder how many experiences
like that you've had throughout your lifetime.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
Well, if you read my books, and I can, I
can prove all this stuff that that I talked about
that almost always had witnesses or photographs or something. So
so that the girl spoke so quietly I had to
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put my ear right down right down her mouth. She
almost whispered. And it went on that way for oh
the ten minutes at least in and uh uh So
then then then when I turned back, when Petrolina was like,
I can't believe I can remember Petrolina's names. It's been
forty years, probably thirty years. So the girl was right
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right here, I mean right here. So I turned, I
turned like this, I turned back and she was gone, disappeared.
So I could see, I could see a hundred hundreds
yards in all directions she was gone. So, you know,
was she something else that a generous succubus? No, I
don't think our ghosts not a ghost. She was, and
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you know, to this day, I wish I had asked
her if I could have touched her the girl mm hmm,
to make sure she was physical and not not, you know,
a ghost. So that's what one of my experiences. You know,
when I was at the Bradshaw Answer, we had a
lot of stuff like that happened.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Well, there are other investigators who have done things at Bradshaw,
but I must say I have never heard of anything
like that now disappearing people, Yeah, appearing and dissolving people.
So what types of other things happened there? Is it?
(22:01):
Is it every paranormal subject you can think of?
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Well, we uh, Linda and I, so many crazy things
happened to us out there that that we I would
she would look at me, or I would look at
her and I say Linda, I'm glad you saw that too,
or I'd be I'd be I'd know for sure I'm crazy.
(22:26):
So so, I mean we did that often. We'd see things.
See we took thirty five millimeter cameras and we took
flash pictures and in the day next day we would
developed the film. That's before digital and we didn't have
a video camera that would film at night. Now that
you know, they all do. So, so you know, I'm
(22:49):
glad that I've been interviewed one hundred times about this
stuff and people I know, I'm not lying, I'm not
making it up. I mean, you know how some people
just you know, they're just make everything up.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
So it's so fantastic. You can't make that stuff up.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
No, no, and so I can't. So yeah, so so yeah,
you know, and this last week's some very strange that
there was about ten UFOs out there three nights ago
and they filmed it. Oh, I can send it to
(23:27):
her if you want. Yeah, the girl, she's pretty well known.
I can't remember a name.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Is it Lily Nova?
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Lily Nova? Yeah, how do you know about that?
Speaker 2 (23:40):
How do you because she's a good friend of mine.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Oh yeah, it was Lily nova. She was out there.
She if they filmed it, she was, it was her film,
her pictures on the front. But I sent that all
over the place. And uh, because I used to see
that stuff in the Bradshaw Ranch. These things are I
don't see. They claimed they were ships, you know, but
but but they're not. These things are life forms from
deep space. They've come here from space. And I've watched
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them enough so that I know there's two different types
of orbs. And Linda Bradshaw and Linda pine Bush, New York,
they started the whole thing with orbs and it went
worldwide after that. So it these were different. These these
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are these these things were different floor floor what they photographed.
They're not ships. There's some kind of a life form
and they looked like it too. They come because you
know the Space station videotape. These a big video it
was on when that seventeen mile thing broke and it
was floating off. Yeah, all these that's what they were.
(24:53):
And some of those things are five miles across. So
those are life forms. Uh, And so that's what I think.
You know, it's that the branch the other night. I
can send you that you want.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Oh, I have I have it from her, you do. Yeah, yeah,
it's pretty amazing. There's why do you think it is
that all of these, oh, different paranormal things happen. It's
Sedona because it looks like there are portals there. People
have seen extraterrestrials, UFOs, interdimensional beings, you name it.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Well, you know, I've written eight books and most of
it is a bunch of stuff that happened around Sdona
with witnesses, and uh, I don't know. It's got it
must have something to do with it. See, the red
rocks are iron oxide, they're magnetic. It's got to have
something to do with that, you know. I know researchers
around the world and no place. Uh, it's like Sedona.
(25:57):
There's no no, no place anywhere else in the world world.
I know all the hotspots, and I talked to the
people a lot of these shows I been on, you know,
they know everything about around the world. I don't. I
haven't traveled much with some of these people have traveled
all over And yeah that one you just showed it
had a rainbow on the top of the rocks. Yeah
(26:18):
pretty cool, Yeah, pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Yeah, that was northern lights of it.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
It's a radiation. It's a radiation coming off the rocks.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Well, now, I visited there several years ago and I
went out to the rocks and I sat on one
of the big flat rocks. It's pretty famous. And I
lasted about fifteen minutes and the energy was just buzzing
through my entire body and I started just vibrating and
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I was going to pass out, and I had. I
said to my husband, I said, you got to get
me out of here because the energy is too high.
I'm too sensitive. So so we had to leave. And
I thought it would take a person like me a
long time to get acclimated to that. With you being
such a sensitive does does it affect you that way? No?
Speaker 3 (27:16):
I had. I had a medical doctor friend that came
came here. You've been all all over the world. He
healed with rocks, believe it or not. Uh uh, there
was something else I was going to talk about. I
want to forget it. My mind has as a tendency
to wander. Uh So anyway, he he. I took him
to an Indian rum in Long Canyon that's about three
(27:38):
miles back, and you know, said ownA and he said,
this is the most powerful spot I've felt anywhere in
the world. I could, you know, Linda, Linda Bradshaw could
see and sense these things better than I could. So anyway,
he he uh, he said, this is the most powerful
(27:59):
spot if he's traveled, he traveled all over the world.
He said, this is the most it was. It was
in an Indian room way up on what's called the benches,
way up there, and he said, this is the most
powerful place I've been anywhere in the world. So I
knew all of those spots, most of the Indian ruins,
and so now a Indian ruins around here. We're built
on those power spots. So so yeah, I've had a
(28:26):
good time. You know, I haven't think I've had things
happen to me. You know, I've been on multiple multiple
shows we talk about this stuff, things that happened to me,
and I don't know why. I'm always saying why me,
why me? Why me? You know, I've had things happen
to me that's just phenomenal, over and over and over.
And I said why me, why you know?
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Uh, so, well, why do you think it is?
Speaker 3 (28:52):
I don't know, I don't know. You know, something protects me.
It's either spiritual or extraterrestrial one of the two. Because
I've been in so many situations I could have been
killed so many, but I haven't. I wasn't, so you know, yeah,
so uh oh, yeah I was. I was able to
say talk about before I cannot forgot.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Well, but I'll ask you some questions and maybe it'll
maybe it'll come forward. What about close UFO encounters, It
had had any experiences like that?
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Oh, I know what I was going to talk about.
The vortex is. I did vor texis for two years,
and they far more affect women than men. I would
say eighty percent of the people. The people that are
affected by vortexes are women, sometimes dramatically crying, you know,
intense pain in the stomach or whatever. But uh uh
(29:57):
and and and know there was a lot of mental healings,
but no no physical well I know, I know a
couple of physical healings, but mostly they whatever they had
wrong with them, they'd go home and it was gone,
These these serious mental things they had wrong with them.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
So just by visiting the place yep, yep, and going
to the vortex spots or does it have to be
in in those locations.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Yeah, it was the var texas you know there there's
more than four here or five. You know that that
all the tourists go to. There's hundreds in the canyons.
There's hundreds of war Texas. So so what is it?
Speaker 2 (30:39):
How do you know that there's a vortex there where?
Speaker 1 (30:42):
What do you use?
Speaker 3 (30:43):
You can you can feel it, the ones that are
really strong, you can feel it. There's no, no, no
question about it.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
And you know if you if your sense it, if
your energy is sensitive, Uh, it can be dramatic. So
that they have there were healings, you know, mental healings
really yeah, messed up and they go home and they'd
be they'd be healed.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
They happened a lot with women, but rarely with a man.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
But not so much physical healings.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
No, I knew, Well, I just wanted to Huh, I'm
gonna have to close my my. I see the sun's
gonna be put on my face.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
I give me a so okay, okay, you do that,
and I'm going to pop up a question here. Uh,
this is from Kathy cat Tom. Has your family had
these experiences as well? Amazing experiences? So are any of
your family members?
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Zero?
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Yeah, Well you know, excuse me, I grew up in
Maine and when I was born in Ks and grew
up in Maine. But I had to I had to
come out here. Since I've been out here in the
West e all that stuff has happened. So and I
(32:10):
don't know why. I have no idea. I'm always, like
I say, I'm always saying why me? And I've written
eight books about this stuff.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Yeah, well, I'll tell you what, Tom. I think. My
opinion is that it is our level of consciousness. So
we certain ones of us came into this world in
this lifetime with a higher level of consciousness and then
and then we kept at it and kept practicing it,
(32:38):
and so it stays high. And anyway, that's my opinion
on that.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
So yeah, you know, I I you know, I don't
what was it? A oh, I can't think. But anyway,
you know, my my, I've talked about this when I've
had as many as nine million people listening to me
on the show. I've been on Coast to Coast three
(33:06):
times prime time, and uh, you know, some of these
some of these people ideal are so stupid. It makes me,
It makes me, it drives me nuts. So you know,
I came to Dolores Cannon. She said, never judge somebody never,
So you know, so I stopped doing that quite a
while ago. But chances are they've been here a hundred times,
(33:27):
and we've been here a thousand.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
This is my only actincarnations different carnation, right, Okay, so
older souls, Yeah, I get it, all right. You've got
several books that we should just talk about real quick. Yeah,
what is this one about?
Speaker 3 (33:49):
Obviously, so I was talking about that the other day
on the internet and I got that book's been in
print for thirty seven years. I wrote it in fourteen days,
and did I did all the work. Oh yeah, it's
been it's been in print for thirty seven years now.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Oh so yeah, And it is that about when you
started investigating that area.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
Well, it's the stuff that I knew, you know, some
of the stuff that I sensed and see. Back back
in the old days, people had experiences that were way different.
I mean this, you know, I'm not cutting Sidana down,
but Sidonia used to be a place of absolute magic.
(34:34):
The stuff that used to happen here, and it still does.
It's not I mean, you go to you know that
now there's places where it was seven cars and now
it was parking for three hundred and so the you know,
the energy has been diluted. It really is. So I
was here during the magic times, the really the real
(34:55):
magic when the the you know there's there was seventy
percent less to fewer people here. So uh yeah, so
so uh you know I uh so anyway, that's that
that I'm proud of that book. I mean it's it's
kind of a silly book, but it's been in print
(35:16):
for thirty seven years.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Okay, and what about this one?
Speaker 3 (35:22):
Yeah, the alien tie that uh I started when I
came here. I uh, I gotta I'm gonna I'm gonna
have there's a little line. I gotta close the wind. Okay,
it's coming through there.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Okay, yeah, yeah you're yeah, now you're in the dark. Okay,
that's all right, we can hear you.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
Okay, let me try this, Let me try this.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Oh that's better okay, yeah all right.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
Uh uh makes me look younger.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
So yeah, now that that book is uh the uh
you know, when I started writing that book, I had
I ran out of information zero and I put it
out wherever I could that if anybody had an experience
with aliens, I got inundated with information from all over.
(36:25):
And then I finished writing the book. And that one's
been in print for a long time too, but.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Okay, so other people's experiences. And then this one, Unseen Beings,
Unseen Worlds.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
Yeah, that one was kind of a dud. It needed
to be rewritten least two more times. I didn't. So, uh,
it's it's it's out of print now completely.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Okay, well we won't talk about that. Then I found
that on your website, the Amazon.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
That's my pride and joy right there. That's the I'm
really proud of that book. I've had endless positive comments
about that. It's it's it's all about the Bradshaw Ranch. Yeah, merging, absolutely, merging.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
Dimensions, merging dimensions, the incredible saga of the Breadshaw Ranch,
Tom Dongo and Linda Bradshaw.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
Yeah, you see that wind that windmill right down here
at the bottom. There's been so many weird things happened.
I never all the years I was there, almost five years,
or three or four nights a week, I drive out
there and and uh, Linda and I Bob, Bob Bradshaw,
he had he had a UFO land in the apple,
(37:40):
the apple orchard, and uh he started to come over
the hill. He was on National news twice and uh
so this this disc landed in the in the apple
orchard and it had discs all I mean orbs, like
(38:06):
about fifty of them all around and followed me and
so Bob. Bob was interviewed on National UFO type news
a couple of times. And anyway, Bob, it freaked him
out so bad that he Linda and I couldn't get
him out. He'd stay and watch TV. And Linda would
(38:26):
go in there and he said, Bob, you've got to
come out and see this. He wouldn't come out. He's
stay in there and watch TV. So so, oh yeah,
I mean, yes, incredible stuff happens on the rads Orange.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
So there's a UFO outside and he will not get
up to go look at He wants to watch TV instead.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
Yeah, he yeah, he would. He never came out again.
He would not come out. You just sit there and
watch TV.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Do you think he was afraid?
Speaker 3 (38:56):
Well, Bob is you know, he's a an old Arizona cowboy.
You know, cowboys on into this stuff, you know, And
that's the way Bar was. He's just no old red
Nick Arizona cowboy. So he just was he just wasn't
into it, and so we we took the pictures. We
got leon and I got in one night, a world
famous one night. It's just one one, you know, one
(39:19):
thing after another. And uh so, yeah, I've got a
blind give me a second. I gotta.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Oh my goodness, yes, the sun it gets worse.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
I mean, I have to be careful about that. The show.
I mean, I'll have a line right down the line
if I don't block up, if I don't close the blinds, right,
So anyway, uh yeah, Alejandro Rojas has been out there
for a couple of days now. He's he's famous, he's
very famous guy from Chile. But he's had some experience
(39:55):
that he thought was it was pretty awesome, pretty phenomenal.
To me, it was nothing that I've been all the
stuff that oh the windmill, that windmill. There's something weird
about that windmill. All the almost five years I was
out with Linda Bradshaw and I never went up to
that windmill. And that's one of the strangest places on
(40:17):
this planet, the stuff that's happened up there.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
So so okay, before you before you say anything else
about the windmill, let me tell you what I saw
when I remote viewed it a couple of years ago.
I saw a portal opening at the windmill, and I
saw a creature come out and go, oh maybe twenty
twenty five feet to a truck that was parked there
(40:40):
and was messing around with the truck, and then it
would go back in the in the portal next to
the windmill.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
Oh no, interesting, Uh it was near the windmill. Yeah,
well this bizarre. Let me, I'll tell you a story.
There were three guys here. Ryan Ryan Skinner was one
of them. He's one of the best researchers in the world.
(41:09):
And they got a kick out of this. I really do.
Some of this stuff is to me. It was really comical.
But anyway, Ryan and a couple of other guys were
out there for they had the best scientific stuff, ground
penetrating radar, the night vision stuff, the works, and so so, uh,
(41:31):
they they were they spread out, they were the one
guy was in one place and another guy was in
the middle and some of that. They spread out above
and around the ranch and uh so h so they
saw there's a hill we call it Bradshaw Hills above
(41:53):
the ranch and they saw headlights and the road goes
to the to the right the hill as it goes
down and around. But this this car came down through
the trees. A tank. A tank couldn't get through there.
So so they watched this headlights coming down and u
(42:17):
uh he got down to the and it was it wasn't.
It wasn't. It's super rough stuff that terrain, so it's
it's it's floating along with the headlights. And I've seen
this this sort of thing many times. So it went
right through the fence, the chicken wire fence at the
(42:38):
University of Northern Area. Universe. University of Northern Arizona his
control of part of the ranch now for scientific research
plants and stuff. So it went right through the fence
they had put up out there. And then a power
paved a plowed field is u you know, it ruts,
(42:58):
so it didn't go you know, um bum bum bum
bum got like a jeep wood. It just floated right
across and uh and then then it made it turn
and one of the guys, the middle guy, was looking down.
He said, just before that, some guy dressed in white
and uh materialized, disappeared and went behind the ranch house
(43:19):
and then came back out, and uh so where he
came from. It's it's impossible to get there because his
cat's claw, acres of cat's claw. Can't you can't get
through cat's claw. It's got cat's claws all over these bushes.
So the guy, the guy, uh so this the car
(43:41):
turn turns around and parks near the ranch house. And
I mean there went headlights, tail lights. You know. She
opened the doors just like a car. And I've seen
that so many times around here in different places, and
they're probably UFOs or whatever. I don't know, but anyway,
she got out. She she ran around behind the car
(44:03):
and she went behind the ranch ranch house. And the
first thing I said is she had time to take
a peek, and they all said, no, she didn't. So
the guy must have left something there for her to
pick up. So she ran around. He got back in
the car and uh uh it went back the way
It went through through the through right through the fence,
chicken wire fence across you know this pay you know,
(44:26):
real rough plowed up and uh and then back up
the hill and it went the same way. Impossible, it's impossible.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
So what do you think that was the cloak to UFO.
Speaker 3 (44:40):
Yeah, you know, I don't. I don't know they can
do that. I've seen cars a thousand feet up in
the cliffs, so you know it wasn't a a car.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
Mm hm.
Speaker 3 (44:53):
So so one of the guys this, this is the
I get it. So one of the guys, the guy
in the middle near the near the the windmill, got lost.
They had to go and find him. He went in
the wrong direction. The ranch ops is right there, so
he goes, he goes the other way and gets lost.
(45:16):
So these two right, uh, Bryan and the other guy
had to go looking for him. And he was so disoriented.
He was disoriented for a couple of days. How he
knew where he was and so something happened to him.
They probably all had missing time. I asked for inst thing.
I asked him, do you guys have any missing time?
They said no, he checked them. I'll watch this every minute.
(45:37):
We had no missing time. So anyway, stuff like that,
that's you know, that's it keeps me going, you know,
and you know what's going to happen next. You know.
It's kind of stuff. And it doesn't it doesn't uh,
you know, that doesn't really doesn't bother me. The only
thing I'm really really not comfortable with is dog men
(46:01):
and skin walkers. Right, I don't have anything to do
with either of it. And I'm glad I didn't. Yeah, well,
well no, but I don't. I'm glad I didn't know
about that. Fifty years ago my life. I would have
done everything different because I've traveled all over North America,
sometimes with a girlfriend, and I've camped in places so
remote something happened, they wouldn't find me for twenty years.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
Right.
Speaker 2 (46:27):
So yeah, and there are a lot of missing people
and uh.
Speaker 3 (46:31):
Oh yeah, oh oh, Jezu the Missing four eleven.
Speaker 2 (46:36):
So you you you have not personally had encounters with
skin walkers or dog men.
Speaker 3 (46:43):
Uh, you know, I've I've no, you know, I've worked
with all the Indian tribes, the Apaches, the Zunis, the Navajo,
and the uh anyway, you know, I had a ah,
you know, the stuff that's happened to the Indians doesn't
happen to us white folks. I mean, there was the
(47:06):
Indians have things happened to them that if they trust you,
they'll tell you what you know what they are. Uh,
it's phenomenal. I mean, it's nothing for an Indian to
see an extraterrestrial in the and and they're not far
from here. A UFO landed right in a woman's front yard.
(47:28):
The extraterrestrial has got out, walk around and they do research.
I mean, they're they're studying us. They do. They were
digging up plans, and they were real friendly and they
were humanoid. But they weren't. But she didn't, she didn't.
She didn't bad deny this stuff is.
Speaker 2 (47:43):
So, I mean, did she talk to them? Oh?
Speaker 3 (47:47):
Yeah, oh yeah, they visited and that's not not uncommon
at all.
Speaker 2 (47:51):
So ah, did they Did she tell you what they said?
Speaker 3 (47:56):
No, No, that's no. Usually though, it's something about what
we're what we're doing to the earth, the planet. The
stuff they remember is what how much damage we're doing
to the earth. Uh, you know that's sort of yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:17):
Yeah, Oh my goodness. Well, Tommy, you had a lot
of experiences, a lifetime of experiences. What's up next for you?
Are going to write another book? Are you going to
research someplace else? You're going to keep on with Sedona?
Speaker 3 (48:33):
Well, you know, I really don't know. Like I said,
I'm eight eighty years old, I really don't. I don't
get out there at all. But I'm in the middle
of a network, so I hear stuff before anybody else does,
and that it's it's you know, it's I like it
because I know so much already, you know about about things.
(48:56):
And so now I have no plans, no no books,
or I have a couple more big shows and then
I'm probably going to retire after that.
Speaker 2 (49:06):
Oh well, I'm glad I got you on here, but
I did. Uh well, I'll tell you what one question
I've got to ask you. Have you remote viewed the
three I Atlas and I think it is.
Speaker 3 (49:19):
I haven't, but they you know, I won't. I won't
know his name. I won't say his name. But he
was famous remote or he was always wrong. People come
to me all freaked out. Is it true what he said?
Is it true? I say, no, it is, and it's
not going to happen, you know. I mean, I've done
that so many times. And if I mentioned his name,
(49:41):
you know, I was talking about.
Speaker 2 (49:43):
Well if you, if you do remote view it, will
you let me know.
Speaker 3 (49:46):
What you're doing? Well, you know, the opinion is now
scientifically that it is a it's a UFO type thing,
you know, a ship. Yeah, it's giving up. Yes, is
it's some you know, natural gases that you know, a
solid rock would or a bunch of goob of ice wouldn't.
(50:08):
So yeah, so it's going to be interesting when he
gets closer.
Speaker 2 (50:11):
Yeah, it will be interested interesting if they land and
converse with us.
Speaker 3 (50:20):
Well, you know, I've been studying actually trustrials for fifty
years and uh, you know I'll agree with you. I
mean you you know you know I'm not going to
get into any squabbles. I just won't. I won't do
it anymore. I won't say something that's gonna I'm.
Speaker 2 (50:41):
Gonna get me in a Oh you know, I get
I get it.
Speaker 3 (50:47):
I do do fight. You know, I just don't. I won't.
I won't do it. So okay, Yeah, but anyway, I
forgot what I was going to say.
Speaker 2 (50:58):
Well, we're going to have to wrap up, so everybody
go get this book, Merging Dimensions by Tom Dongo and
Linda Bradshaw. Sounds incredible. I am going to get it
and uh I can't wait to read it. Thank you
so much for being on the show with me tonight, Tom.
Speaker 3 (51:15):
Yeah, if you can put it on my website. I
couldn't do it today. It didn't just didn't work, but
the show. Just put it on there. I'll make some
comments about it later, okay, And if you can put
the other link where to see.
Speaker 2 (51:28):
It, I'll send you everything.
Speaker 3 (51:31):
Yeah, it'll be. It'll be tomorrow, YouTube, YouTube and all that.
Speaker 2 (51:34):
No, actually I've already sent it. I sent you the
YouTube link, yes, okay, got it? Okay, all right, everybody, uh,
stay tuned because we have another show coming up in
about five minutes
Speaker 3 (52:03):
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Speaker 2 (00:47):
Good evening, everyone, Welcome to unexed News. I'm your host,
Margie K. And uh this evening. We were supposed to
have two shows back to back. My first guest is
a reachable, so we're early tonight with my second guest,
so uh, he will be boy, this is going to
(01:08):
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you want to join us in the chat, of course,
you can always make a comment and I will pop
any questions up our comments that you may have. My
(01:56):
guest tonight is Tom Dongo. He is a long time
I'm resident of Sedona, Arizona, and is recognized as a
world authority on Sedona. He's one of the United States
of America's leading authorities on UFO's paranormal occurrences, and he
is a remote viewer and over the course of many years,
has been a key lecturer at numerous US national and
(02:20):
international conferences, including the International UFO Congress. He studied at
the Berkeley International Psychic Institute at Santa Cruz, California, and
has been the last thirty years in the greater Sedona,
Arizona area, which is known as one of the premier
UFO hotspots of the world. And he's also written eight
(02:41):
books which we will talk about. And so without further ado,
I will bring on mister Tom Dongo. Thank you for
joining us tonight.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Tom Cott me Eatons spaghetti.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Okay, yeah, I'm sorry to rush you. You an hour
earlier than you were supposed to be on. Uh, but
I really wanted to go live with the show. So
so this is great and you uh ended up in Sedona.
But but let's go back to uh, whenever you got
interested in these subjects? How did that happen?
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Well? You know, can you hear me? Okay? Now is
it work?
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Okay? Good, good good? Uh. Well, you know what I
got into it. I had had a skee shop in Reno, Nevada,
and uh, this is what got me into all of
this stuff. So we used to take an hour for
lunch every day. And so we did go for a
walk or something, you know, and I I, uh, I
(03:47):
was walking down the sidewalk and a giant pair of
hands grabbed me. Uh, and I've heard of this before.
It's not it wasn't just me, it's I've heard of
it before. So it was steering me along the street
and I didn't hurt, but you know they were I mean,
these were giant hands from my shoulder down to my waist.
(04:08):
And then it turned me into a parking lot. It
was weaving me around through cars, and I came to
a bookstore, went inside and it's it's steering me through
the aisles and uh I and it bent me over.
There was about a bunch of used books on the
bottom shelf, and uh, there was a book that seth
(04:31):
Speaks by Jane Roberts. Yes, and I spent six months
studying that books, the phenomenal book. It was she channeled
an entity named uh Seth and uh it was intelligent,
not from this earth, is from something not nobody's that smart.
So anyway, I spent that's what got me into all
of this. I guess it got my mind tuned into
(04:57):
this stuff. And I've been You're the one hundred and
seventh worldwide show I've been on in twelve years about
over one hundred million people. So I've been around the
block a lot.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Mm hmm. So I uh now that the hands I
assumed they were unseen, Yeah, you just felt them.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Yeah. So so anyway, that's what got me into all
this stuff. I forgot to turn the kitchen light off.
I can see it behind me, is real bright. Yeah. Yeah,
so that that's what got me into this stuff and
that uh yeah, it must have been fifty years ago now,
(05:44):
and I've been I've been in everything. I mean you
you you can name it, and I've been into it.
I'm pretty famous.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
For this stuff obviously. Yes.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Yeah, well you know there's no I don't have any
EU and it has been a lot of money either.
But I it's something I I I'm destined to do.
I mean, it's obvious now that I was. It was
my agreement when to come into this life, should be
into this stuff. And I I, uh I have I
have a real strong curiosity, I mean and no fear.
(06:21):
When Linda Bradshaw and I were on the Bradshaw Ranch,
we learned one thing, all the all the stuff that
happened out there. We were famous. We were famous for
Linda died three years ago. She's not here anymore of it.
But uh we we were. I mean, we had camera
crew after camera crew after camera crew out there every week. Uh.
I got so tired of being an interviewer. But it
was it was fun. But so we we we uh I,
(06:48):
I you know, we we we learned that these things,
whatever it was that was out there, hated human fear.
If somebody was terror stricken, nothing would happen. But my
book Merging Dimensions is a very popular book. And uh
(07:10):
and the bridge do you know about the bread sh
orange magic? Oh? No mind you we lost the sound.
No sound, no sound, no sound.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
I gots okay. I've remote viewed Bradshaw several times for
other investigators. I have not been there in person, but
I basically was so, yeah, I know what's going on there.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Yeah, well, I've been out I spent four and a
half years out there. I've been out there between four
and five hundred times, and right now, this this last
week has been some some fantastic stuff going on out there.
You know, I'm eighty years old, so I don't I
don't get out in the field too much anymore. But uh,
Alejandro Rojas is here. He's a famous guy from Chile
(07:56):
UFOs and everything we do. He's ands in that I
must meet him tomorrow. He doesn't speak English, but he
has a woman with him. I guess for DIC that's
going to be all right. So anyway, Alejandro was out
there last night, camped out there by the Bradshaw Range.
(08:16):
So nothing bad ever happened to anybody on the Bradshaw Ranch.
It's not not like the Skinwalker Ranch. The skin Walker
Ranches is no place to fool around, you know, I
know those guys, and so the stuff that went on
the Bradshaw anches was good stuff, you know, it was positive,
(08:40):
and it's the skin Walking Ranch is just the opposite.
There's a lot of bad things that happened there. I
think there's some kind of a creature I have. I
have a phenomenal psychic ability. I can scan things. I
guess I was taught that at the Berkeley Psychic Institute.
I learned that I had a lot of psychic abilities
that even the best of them didn't. But so so
(09:03):
I'm able to scan places like like radar and uh
I have I told you earlier I have a UH.
I was a medical intuitive and I can I did
it for years, and I found out that if I
charged money, it didn't work. I could have, you know,
(09:26):
be a millionaire my now if I sort of stuff
I worked on, but if I if I charged money
for it didn't work. So I could scan somebody and
tell them what was wrong with them. And cancer was hell,
absolutely hell. But I've even done it on medical doctors
with ninety ninety five hit rate the help and UH.
(09:51):
I used to UH. My office is coffee shops around Scedona,
So I would people would come up and ask me
all the time, scan me please. I never turned anybody
down and told them what was wrong with them. But
my problem was I couldn't prescribe drugs. There's a guy
in Phoenix, UH, anyway, he could do both. He was phenomenal.
(10:16):
I mean he had he cured cured a woman friend
of mine. She had something wrong with her anyway, She's
sitting in a chair and cry all day issues in
such pain. He cured her in ten minutes. Wow, yeah,
and that can be done. I mean it's just you
know she'd been to endless doctors. I mean, you know, yeah,
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endless doctors.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Well that's I'm a medical intuitive as well, and I
see inside the body. Yeah, and I know exactly what
you're talking about. You can zone in on the problem
instantly without going through all these medical tests. They should
they should hire people like us at one at every
hospital problem cases. Uh. And maybe someday they'll do that.
(11:02):
But how did you discover that you were a remote viewer?
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Well, you know, that's a that's an interesting thing. You know.
I would happily spend the rest of my life in
remote viewing. Actually, I haven't used a question over a
year now, I guess, so I'm having to remember things.
But I was, I had things happen to me, so
I I probably I was born with the ability. I
(11:30):
realize it now. I was born with the remote viewing
ability and I. You know, I Ingo Swan and Russell Tower.
I can't. I can't even come close to Ingo Swan
what he could do. Russell Twer. Probably I'm probably fairly
close to what he could do. But uh I I uh.
I had a friend of mine. Him is a psychologist
(11:54):
and he h he lives in Durango and I was
living in Sedona. So we played. He tested me for
about five months to see how good I was. You
want to we want to see how good I was,
you know? So so we did and I had I
had about an eighty five percent hit right, which is
(12:15):
way about even some of the best remote viewers. He
would put stuff out on the table, his dining room table,
and and I would I would remote view him and
uh his the animals and the birds could see. Is
that the instant I was in the room, they could
see me. His dog. I must have looked like a
(12:36):
ghost to them, Yes, his dog Binkie. I was. I
was like, I remote view I can't I would you know,
send myself there? Uh prepel myself there and his dog.
I got right right in front of the dog one
day and I said, you little blank blank, you can
(12:56):
actually see me, can't you? And the dog is going
and I was looking at him, so you can actually
see me. And so Tom tested me, and it was
it was pretty phenomenal. I would appear at his house
above his his driveway, but the second but second story
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in his office was right there. I would go through
the last window. I'd float through the office window and
then go down his circular stairs and find him. And
so this went on for a long time. He's still
one of my best friends, doctor Tom o'donald. He's still
on my best friends. So so I told him I
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would never look in the bathrooms, you know, I would never.
I'd always look the other way when I went by
a bathroom, so I never did. So so I get
down there and this story that's I probably you know,
I've probably been told this story to fifty million people
in the last twelve years. But uh this, uh this,
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Uh I fought some terror going down the steps one
the stairs one time and uh and uh Tom was.
I got there half an hour early and I could
see Tom. I watched Tom. He was you know, headed,
red lumberjack shirt on blue jeans and cowboy boots and
(14:24):
cowboy belt and he was cooking. You can smell you
know removie, you can smell stuff as I was as
well as you can see. And so I thought he
was smell like spaghetti, and it was it was something else,
and he was he was a gourmet chef of some
kind of thing Italian anything that I never heard of.
So so anyway, I got, I got, you know, went
(14:46):
halfway down the stairs and the terror. I looked all
around in my mind and scanned everything I couldn't I
couldn't see anything. So uh, we had we had an
agreement with me and Tom that we would be the
only ones that there, and so I had come half
an hour earlier. I think we said seven thirty and
I got there seventh and so so I said Tom,
(15:13):
you know, he'd be on the phone and I'd be
floating next next to him. And this is crazy stuff.
The bird I used to go into it. He had
a tropical birdhouse, and the birds used to go nuts
when I came in. When in in there, they'd follow
me around. They'd follow me around, they'd follow me around,
and I could I could smell the flowers in the
tropical and the dampness, and they had to be real
damp because they were all tropical birds. But they'd be
(15:33):
flying around me. So anyway, I I said, Tom, you know,
I said, like I say, we had the agreement. That
was just me and him, And I said, Tom, is
there somebody else here? And this still baffles the hell
out of me? He said he kind of got a
(15:54):
little bit shy, you know, you kind of guilty. And
he said, yeah, I invited my nest next door neighbor over.
This still freaks me out, it really does. And he says,
he's sitting right there on the couch. I could see
the couch clearly, but I couldn't see his next door neighbor.
Oh my, I couldn't see him at all. And I
think somebody somebody said on one of the shows I
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was on there might have been somebody that didn't have
a soul, you know. I thought, well, yeah, if a
guy didn't have a soul, you know, that would make
sense I couldn't see him.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Or maybe extraterrestrial.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Yeah, could have been that too, because I've studied extraterrestrials
for over fifty years now, so I know a lot.
And I was face to face with an extraterrestrial girl
materialized right in front of me, and I had a
witness my girlfriend at the time. We talked for about
ten minutes and then the girl de materialized, I mean
poof there and then poof gone, And I could see
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for hundreds of yards in all directions. And she wasn't
you know, she wasn't she wasn't human, you know.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Yeah, and you smoke with her.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Yeah, we talked. Me and my girlfriend talked. We were
at an Indian ruin near Sedona, Sonawa, Indian ruin, and
the girl wanted to talk about the the the petroc
glyphs the Indians had left on the rocks. So uh
an interesting thing. They were all sex sexual, all these
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petrick glyphs that they uh on the walls, you know,
the glyphs, you know, the so anyway, and then then
she I turned my my uh, my girlfriend went the
the It was a dry creek, but the river, the
river the dry the water was roaring because it had
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been raining for weeks. And so I turned for two
seconds to talk to her. I turned my head back
and the girl was gone and she was nowhere in sight.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
And we talked to her, you know, and your girlfriend
saw too.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Yeah, we talked to her. Wow, the girl, the extra
extraterrestrial girl wanted to talk about the petry clyps, so
we did. That's all we talked about. And the funny
thing is was around here, it's not there's not much crime,
but but uh most uh most women have a dog
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almost always. So I was uh been raining the days before,
so the mud was six inches thick all over the place,
and uh uh I was hot and sweaty and tired
because you take one step, you got six inches of
mud on the bottom of the boot, you know. So
the girl suddenly appeared in red uh red pants in
(18:42):
a white wolf sweater, and I saw her come out
of the woods, and I was thinking, where did she
come from? And she didn't know, no dog, where's the dog?
No dog? So she she went over and talked to
my uh, Petrolina, my girlfriend, and uh so I most
of the girl. I said, you over here, because I
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couldn't find the trail down to the ruins, and I
mean it was steep, I mean it was almost extremely
steep now. And I said, you don't happen to know
where the trail that is it goes down to the ruins.
So she went over and she pointed right right there
by my feet. I looked and sure enough that it
had rained enough so that I couldn't see, I couldn't
find the trail. So we went down there. I mean,
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she was dressed in streech shoes. You know, no way,
no way, no steep, steep, you know, you had to
go from rock to rock. And so then we were
with Petroline and I were down uh she was. She
went over by the water in the beginning, and I
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turned around and the girl had materialized so close to me.
If I had to actually she was behind me, and
if I had to turned, I would have knocked her over.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
So oh my goodness that I wonder how many experiences
like that you've had throughout your lifetime.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
Well, if you read my books, and I can, I
can prove all this stuff that that I talked about
that almost always had witnesses or photographs or something. So
so that the girl spoke so quietly I had to
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put my ear right down right down her mouth. She
almost whispered. And it went on that way for oh
the ten minutes at least in and uh uh So
then then then when I turned back, when Petrolina was like,
I can't believe I can remember Petrolina's names. It's been
forty years, probably thirty years. So the girl was right
(20:56):
right here, I mean right here. So I turned, I
turned like this, I turned back and she was gone, disappeared.
So I could see, I could see a hundred hundreds
yards in all directions she was gone. So, you know,
was she something else that a generous succubus? No, I
don't think our ghosts not a ghost. She was, and
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you know, to this day, I wish I had asked
her if I could have touched her the girl mm hmm,
to make sure she was physical and not not, you know,
a ghost. So that's what one of my experiences. You know,
when I was at the Bradshaw Answer, we had a
lot of stuff like that happened.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Well, there are other investigators who have done things at Bradshaw,
but I must say I have never heard of anything
like that now disappearing people, Yeah, appearing and dissolving people.
So what types of other things happened there? Is it?
(22:01):
Is it every paranormal subject you can think of?
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Well, we uh, Linda and I, so many crazy things
happened to us out there that that we I would
she would look at me, or I would look at
her and I say Linda, I'm glad you saw that too,
or I'd be I'd be I'd know for sure I'm crazy.
(22:26):
So so, I mean we did that often. We'd see things.
See we took thirty five millimeter cameras and we took
flash pictures and in the day next day we would
developed the film. That's before digital and we didn't have
a video camera that would film at night. Now that
you know, they all do. So, so you know, I'm
(22:49):
glad that I've been interviewed one hundred times about this
stuff and people I know, I'm not lying, I'm not
making it up. I mean, you know how some people
just you know, they're just make everything up.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
So it's so fantastic. You can't make that stuff up.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
No, no, and so I can't. So yeah, so so yeah,
you know, and this last week's some very strange that
there was about ten UFOs out there three nights ago
and they filmed it. Oh, I can send it to
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her if you want. Yeah, the girl, she's pretty well known.
I can't remember a name.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Is it Lily Nova?
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Lily Nova? Yeah, how do you know about that?
Speaker 2 (23:40):
How do you because she's a good friend of mine.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Oh yeah, it was Lily nova. She was out there.
She if they filmed it, she was, it was her film,
her pictures on the front. But I sent that all
over the place. And uh, because I used to see
that stuff in the Bradshaw Ranch. These things are I
don't see. They claimed they were ships, you know, but
but but they're not. These things are life forms from
deep space. They've come here from space. And I've watched
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them enough so that I know there's two different types
of orbs. And Linda Bradshaw and Linda pine Bush, New York,
they started the whole thing with orbs and it went
worldwide after that. So it these were different. These these
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are these these things were different floor floor what they photographed.
They're not ships. There's some kind of a life form
and they looked like it too. They come because you
know the Space station videotape. These a big video it
was on when that seventeen mile thing broke and it
was floating off. Yeah, all these that's what they were.
(24:53):
And some of those things are five miles across. So
those are life forms. Uh, And so that's what I think.
You know, it's that the branch the other night. I
can send you that you want.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Oh, I have I have it from her, you do. Yeah, yeah,
it's pretty amazing. There's why do you think it is
that all of these, oh, different paranormal things happen. It's
Sedona because it looks like there are portals there. People
have seen extraterrestrials, UFOs, interdimensional beings, you name it.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Well, you know, I've written eight books and most of
it is a bunch of stuff that happened around Sdona
with witnesses, and uh, I don't know. It's got it
must have something to do with it. See, the red
rocks are iron oxide, they're magnetic. It's got to have
something to do with that, you know. I know researchers
around the world and no place. Uh, it's like Sedona.
(25:57):
There's no no, no place anywhere else in the world world.
I know all the hotspots, and I talked to the
people a lot of these shows I been on, you know,
they know everything about around the world. I don't. I
haven't traveled much with some of these people have traveled
all over And yeah that one you just showed it
had a rainbow on the top of the rocks. Yeah
(26:18):
pretty cool, Yeah, pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Yeah, that was northern lights of it.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
It's a radiation. It's a radiation coming off the rocks.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Well, now, I visited there several years ago and I
went out to the rocks and I sat on one
of the big flat rocks. It's pretty famous. And I
lasted about fifteen minutes and the energy was just buzzing
through my entire body and I started just vibrating and
(26:50):
I was going to pass out, and I had. I
said to my husband, I said, you got to get
me out of here because the energy is too high.
I'm too sensitive. So so we had to leave. And
I thought it would take a person like me a
long time to get acclimated to that. With you being
such a sensitive does does it affect you that way? No?
Speaker 3 (27:16):
I had. I had a medical doctor friend that came
came here. You've been all all over the world. He
healed with rocks, believe it or not. Uh uh, there
was something else I was going to talk about. I
want to forget it. My mind has as a tendency
to wander. Uh So anyway, he he. I took him
to an Indian rum in Long Canyon that's about three
(27:38):
miles back, and you know, said ownA and he said,
this is the most powerful spot I've felt anywhere in
the world. I could, you know, Linda, Linda Bradshaw could
see and sense these things better than I could. So anyway,
he he uh, he said, this is the most powerful
(27:59):
spot if he's traveled, he traveled all over the world.
He said, this is the most it was. It was
in an Indian room way up on what's called the benches,
way up there, and he said, this is the most
powerful place I've been anywhere in the world. So I
knew all of those spots, most of the Indian ruins,
and so now a Indian ruins around here. We're built
on those power spots. So so yeah, I've had a
(28:26):
good time. You know, I haven't think I've had things
happen to me. You know, I've been on multiple multiple
shows we talk about this stuff, things that happened to me,
and I don't know why. I'm always saying why me,
why me? Why me? You know, I've had things happen
to me that's just phenomenal, over and over and over.
And I said why me, why you know?
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Uh, so, well, why do you think it is?
Speaker 3 (28:52):
I don't know, I don't know. You know, something protects me.
It's either spiritual or extraterrestrial one of the two. Because
I've been in so many situations I could have been
killed so many, but I haven't. I wasn't, so you know, yeah,
so uh oh, yeah I was. I was able to
say talk about before I cannot forgot.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Well, but I'll ask you some questions and maybe it'll
maybe it'll come forward. What about close UFO encounters, It
had had any experiences like that?
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Oh, I know what I was going to talk about.
The vortex is. I did vor texis for two years,
and they far more affect women than men. I would
say eighty percent of the people. The people that are
affected by vortexes are women, sometimes dramatically crying, you know,
intense pain in the stomach or whatever. But uh uh
(29:57):
and and and know there was a lot of mental healings,
but no no physical well I know, I know a
couple of physical healings, but mostly they whatever they had
wrong with them, they'd go home and it was gone,
These these serious mental things they had wrong with them.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
So just by visiting the place yep, yep, and going
to the vortex spots or does it have to be
in in those locations.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Yeah, it was the var texas you know there there's
more than four here or five. You know that that
all the tourists go to. There's hundreds in the canyons.
There's hundreds of war Texas. So so what is it?
Speaker 2 (30:39):
How do you know that there's a vortex there where?
Speaker 1 (30:42):
What do you use?
Speaker 3 (30:43):
You can you can feel it, the ones that are
really strong, you can feel it. There's no, no, no
question about it.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
And you know if you if your sense it, if
your energy is sensitive, Uh, it can be dramatic. So
that they have there were healings, you know, mental healings
really yeah, messed up and they go home and they'd
be they'd be healed.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
They happened a lot with women, but rarely with a man.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
But not so much physical healings.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
No, I knew, Well, I just wanted to Huh, I'm
gonna have to close my my. I see the sun's
gonna be put on my face.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
I give me a so okay, okay, you do that,
and I'm going to pop up a question here. Uh,
this is from Kathy cat Tom. Has your family had
these experiences as well? Amazing experiences? So are any of
your family members?
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Zero?
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Yeah, Well you know, excuse me, I grew up in
Maine and when I was born in Ks and grew
up in Maine. But I had to I had to
come out here. Since I've been out here in the
West e all that stuff has happened. So and I
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don't know why. I have no idea. I'm always, like
I say, I'm always saying why me? And I've written
eight books about this stuff.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Yeah, well, I'll tell you what, Tom. I think. My
opinion is that it is our level of consciousness. So
we certain ones of us came into this world in
this lifetime with a higher level of consciousness and then
and then we kept at it and kept practicing it,
(32:38):
and so it stays high. And anyway, that's my opinion
on that.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
So yeah, you know, I I you know, I don't
what was it? A oh, I can't think. But anyway,
you know, my my, I've talked about this when I've
had as many as nine million people listening to me
on the show. I've been on Coast to Coast three
(33:06):
times prime time, and uh, you know, some of these
some of these people ideal are so stupid. It makes me,
It makes me, it drives me nuts. So you know,
I came to Dolores Cannon. She said, never judge somebody never,
So you know, so I stopped doing that quite a
while ago. But chances are they've been here a hundred times,
(33:27):
and we've been here a thousand.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
This is my only actincarnations different carnation, right, Okay, so
older souls, Yeah, I get it, all right. You've got
several books that we should just talk about real quick. Yeah,
what is this one about?
Speaker 3 (33:49):
Obviously, so I was talking about that the other day
on the internet and I got that book's been in
print for thirty seven years. I wrote it in fourteen days,
and did I did all the work. Oh yeah, it's
been it's been in print for thirty seven years now.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Oh so yeah, And it is that about when you
started investigating that area.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
Well, it's the stuff that I knew, you know, some
of the stuff that I sensed and see. Back back
in the old days, people had experiences that were way different.
I mean this, you know, I'm not cutting Sidana down,
but Sidonia used to be a place of absolute magic.
(34:34):
The stuff that used to happen here, and it still does.
It's not I mean, you go to you know that
now there's places where it was seven cars and now
it was parking for three hundred and so the you know,
the energy has been diluted. It really is. So I
was here during the magic times, the really the real
(34:55):
magic when the the you know there's there was seventy
percent less to fewer people here. So uh yeah, so
so uh you know I uh so anyway, that's that
that I'm proud of that book. I mean it's it's
kind of a silly book, but it's been in print
(35:16):
for thirty seven years.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Okay, and what about this one?
Speaker 3 (35:22):
Yeah, the alien tie that uh I started when I
came here. I uh, I gotta I'm gonna I'm gonna
have there's a little line. I gotta close the wind. Okay,
it's coming through there.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Okay, yeah, yeah you're yeah, now you're in the dark. Okay,
that's all right, we can hear you.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
Okay, let me try this, Let me try this.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Oh that's better okay, yeah all right.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
Uh uh makes me look younger.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
So yeah, now that that book is uh the uh
you know, when I started writing that book, I had
I ran out of information zero and I put it
out wherever I could that if anybody had an experience
with aliens, I got inundated with information from all over.
(36:25):
And then I finished writing the book. And that one's
been in print for a long time too, but.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Okay, so other people's experiences. And then this one, Unseen Beings,
Unseen Worlds.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
Yeah, that one was kind of a dud. It needed
to be rewritten least two more times. I didn't. So, uh,
it's it's it's out of print now completely.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Okay, well we won't talk about that. Then I found
that on your website, the Amazon.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
That's my pride and joy right there. That's the I'm
really proud of that book. I've had endless positive comments
about that. It's it's it's all about the Bradshaw Ranch. Yeah, merging, absolutely, merging.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
Dimensions, merging dimensions, the incredible saga of the Breadshaw Ranch,
Tom Dongo and Linda Bradshaw.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
Yeah, you see that wind that windmill right down here
at the bottom. There's been so many weird things happened.
I never all the years I was there, almost five years,
or three or four nights a week, I drive out
there and and uh, Linda and I Bob, Bob Bradshaw,
he had he had a UFO land in the apple,
(37:40):
the apple orchard, and uh he started to come over
the hill. He was on National news twice and uh
so this this disc landed in the in the apple
orchard and it had discs all I mean orbs, like
(38:06):
about fifty of them all around and followed me and
so Bob. Bob was interviewed on National UFO type news
a couple of times. And anyway, Bob, it freaked him
out so bad that he Linda and I couldn't get
him out. He'd stay and watch TV. And Linda would
(38:26):
go in there and he said, Bob, you've got to
come out and see this. He wouldn't come out. He's
stay in there and watch TV. So so, oh yeah,
I mean, yes, incredible stuff happens on the rads Orange.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
So there's a UFO outside and he will not get
up to go look at He wants to watch TV instead.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
Yeah, he yeah, he would. He never came out again.
He would not come out. You just sit there and
watch TV.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Do you think he was afraid?
Speaker 3 (38:56):
Well, Bob is you know, he's a an old Arizona cowboy.
You know, cowboys on into this stuff, you know, And
that's the way Bar was. He's just no old red
Nick Arizona cowboy. So he just was he just wasn't
into it, and so we we took the pictures. We
got leon and I got in one night, a world
famous one night. It's just one one, you know, one
(39:19):
thing after another. And uh so, yeah, I've got a
blind give me a second. I gotta.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Oh my goodness, yes, the sun it gets worse.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
I mean, I have to be careful about that. The show.
I mean, I'll have a line right down the line
if I don't block up, if I don't close the blinds, right,
So anyway, uh yeah, Alejandro Rojas has been out there
for a couple of days now. He's he's famous, he's
very famous guy from Chile. But he's had some experience
(39:55):
that he thought was it was pretty awesome, pretty phenomenal.
To me, it was nothing that I've been all the
stuff that oh the windmill, that windmill. There's something weird
about that windmill. All the almost five years I was
out with Linda Bradshaw and I never went up to
that windmill. And that's one of the strangest places on
(40:17):
this planet, the stuff that's happened up there.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
So so okay, before you before you say anything else
about the windmill, let me tell you what I saw
when I remote viewed it a couple of years ago.
I saw a portal opening at the windmill, and I
saw a creature come out and go, oh maybe twenty
twenty five feet to a truck that was parked there
(40:40):
and was messing around with the truck, and then it
would go back in the in the portal next to
the windmill.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
Oh no, interesting, Uh it was near the windmill. Yeah,
well this bizarre. Let me, I'll tell you a story.
There were three guys here. Ryan Ryan Skinner was one
of them. He's one of the best researchers in the world.
(41:09):
And they got a kick out of this. I really do.
Some of this stuff is to me. It was really comical.
But anyway, Ryan and a couple of other guys were
out there for they had the best scientific stuff, ground
penetrating radar, the night vision stuff, the works, and so so, uh,
(41:31):
they they were they spread out, they were the one
guy was in one place and another guy was in
the middle and some of that. They spread out above
and around the ranch and uh so h so they
saw there's a hill we call it Bradshaw Hills above
(41:53):
the ranch and they saw headlights and the road goes
to the to the right the hill as it goes
down and around. But this this car came down through
the trees. A tank. A tank couldn't get through there.
So so they watched this headlights coming down and u
(42:17):
uh he got down to the and it was it wasn't.
It wasn't. It's super rough stuff that terrain, so it's
it's it's floating along with the headlights. And I've seen
this this sort of thing many times. So it went
right through the fence, the chicken wire fence at the
(42:38):
University of Northern Area. Universe. University of Northern Arizona his
control of part of the ranch now for scientific research
plants and stuff. So it went right through the fence
they had put up out there. And then a power
paved a plowed field is u you know, it ruts,
(42:58):
so it didn't go you know, um bum bum bum
bum got like a jeep wood. It just floated right
across and uh and then then it made it turn
and one of the guys, the middle guy, was looking down.
He said, just before that, some guy dressed in white
and uh materialized, disappeared and went behind the ranch house
(43:19):
and then came back out, and uh so where he
came from. It's it's impossible to get there because his
cat's claw, acres of cat's claw. Can't you can't get
through cat's claw. It's got cat's claws all over these bushes.
So the guy, the guy, uh so this the car
(43:41):
turn turns around and parks near the ranch house. And
I mean there went headlights, tail lights. You know. She
opened the doors just like a car. And I've seen
that so many times around here in different places, and
they're probably UFOs or whatever. I don't know, but anyway,
she got out. She she ran around behind the car
(44:03):
and she went behind the ranch ranch house. And the
first thing I said is she had time to take
a peek, and they all said, no, she didn't. So
the guy must have left something there for her to
pick up. So she ran around. He got back in
the car and uh uh it went back the way
It went through through the through right through the fence,
chicken wire fence across you know this pay you know,
(44:26):
real rough plowed up and uh and then back up
the hill and it went the same way. Impossible, it's impossible.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
So what do you think that was the cloak to UFO.
Speaker 3 (44:40):
Yeah, you know, I don't. I don't know they can
do that. I've seen cars a thousand feet up in
the cliffs, so you know it wasn't a a car.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
Mm hm.
Speaker 3 (44:53):
So so one of the guys this, this is the
I get it. So one of the guys, the guy
in the middle near the near the the windmill, got lost.
They had to go and find him. He went in
the wrong direction. The ranch ops is right there, so
he goes, he goes the other way and gets lost.
(45:16):
So these two right, uh, Bryan and the other guy
had to go looking for him. And he was so disoriented.
He was disoriented for a couple of days. How he
knew where he was and so something happened to him.
They probably all had missing time. I asked for inst thing.
I asked him, do you guys have any missing time?
They said no, he checked them. I'll watch this every minute.
(45:37):
We had no missing time. So anyway, stuff like that,
that's you know, that's it keeps me going, you know,
and you know what's going to happen next. You know.
It's kind of stuff. And it doesn't it doesn't uh,
you know, that doesn't really doesn't bother me. The only
thing I'm really really not comfortable with is dog men
(46:01):
and skin walkers. Right, I don't have anything to do
with either of it. And I'm glad I didn't. Yeah, well,
well no, but I don't. I'm glad I didn't know
about that. Fifty years ago my life. I would have
done everything different because I've traveled all over North America,
sometimes with a girlfriend, and I've camped in places so
remote something happened, they wouldn't find me for twenty years.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
Right.
Speaker 2 (46:27):
So yeah, and there are a lot of missing people
and uh.
Speaker 3 (46:31):
Oh yeah, oh oh, Jezu the Missing four eleven.
Speaker 2 (46:36):
So you you you have not personally had encounters with
skin walkers or dog men.
Speaker 3 (46:43):
Uh, you know, I've I've no, you know, I've worked
with all the Indian tribes, the Apaches, the Zunis, the Navajo,
and the uh anyway, you know, I had a ah,
you know, the stuff that's happened to the Indians doesn't
happen to us white folks. I mean, there was the
(47:06):
Indians have things happened to them that if they trust you,
they'll tell you what you know what they are. Uh,
it's phenomenal. I mean, it's nothing for an Indian to
see an extraterrestrial in the and and they're not far
from here. A UFO landed right in a woman's front yard.
(47:28):
The extraterrestrial has got out, walk around and they do research.
I mean, they're they're studying us. They do. They were
digging up plans, and they were real friendly and they
were humanoid. But they weren't. But she didn't, she didn't.
She didn't bad deny this stuff is.
Speaker 2 (47:43):
So, I mean, did she talk to them? Oh?
Speaker 3 (47:47):
Yeah, oh yeah, they visited and that's not not uncommon
at all.
Speaker 2 (47:51):
So ah, did they Did she tell you what they said?
Speaker 3 (47:56):
No, No, that's no. Usually though, it's something about what
we're what we're doing to the earth, the planet. The
stuff they remember is what how much damage we're doing
to the earth. Uh, you know that's sort of yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:17):
Yeah, Oh my goodness. Well, Tommy, you had a lot
of experiences, a lifetime of experiences. What's up next for you?
Are going to write another book? Are you going to
research someplace else? You're going to keep on with Sedona?
Speaker 3 (48:33):
Well, you know, I really don't know. Like I said,
I'm eight eighty years old, I really don't. I don't
get out there at all. But I'm in the middle
of a network, so I hear stuff before anybody else does,
and that it's it's you know, it's I like it
because I know so much already, you know about about things.
(48:56):
And so now I have no plans, no no books,
or I have a couple more big shows and then
I'm probably going to retire after that.
Speaker 2 (49:06):
Oh well, I'm glad I got you on here, but
I did. Uh well, I'll tell you what one question
I've got to ask you. Have you remote viewed the
three I Atlas and I think it is.
Speaker 3 (49:19):
I haven't, but they you know, I won't. I won't
know his name. I won't say his name. But he
was famous remote or he was always wrong. People come
to me all freaked out. Is it true what he said?
Is it true? I say, no, it is, and it's
not going to happen, you know. I mean, I've done
that so many times. And if I mentioned his name,
(49:41):
you know, I was talking about.
Speaker 2 (49:43):
Well if you, if you do remote view it, will
you let me know.
Speaker 3 (49:46):
What you're doing? Well, you know, the opinion is now
scientifically that it is a it's a UFO type thing,
you know, a ship. Yeah, it's giving up. Yes, is
it's some you know, natural gases that you know, a
solid rock would or a bunch of goob of ice wouldn't.
(50:08):
So yeah, so it's going to be interesting when he
gets closer.
Speaker 2 (50:11):
Yeah, it will be interested interesting if they land and
converse with us.
Speaker 3 (50:20):
Well, you know, I've been studying actually trustrials for fifty
years and uh, you know I'll agree with you. I
mean you you know you know I'm not going to
get into any squabbles. I just won't. I won't do
it anymore. I won't say something that's gonna I'm.
Speaker 2 (50:41):
Gonna get me in a Oh you know, I get
I get it.
Speaker 3 (50:47):
I do do fight. You know, I just don't. I won't.
I won't do it. So okay, Yeah, but anyway, I
forgot what I was going to say.
Speaker 2 (50:58):
Well, we're going to have to wrap up, so everybody
go get this book, Merging Dimensions by Tom Dongo and
Linda Bradshaw. Sounds incredible. I am going to get it
and uh I can't wait to read it. Thank you
so much for being on the show with me tonight, Tom.
Speaker 3 (51:15):
Yeah, if you can put it on my website. I
couldn't do it today. It didn't just didn't work, but
the show. Just put it on there. I'll make some
comments about it later, okay, And if you can put
the other link where to see.
Speaker 2 (51:28):
It, I'll send you everything.
Speaker 3 (51:31):
Yeah, it'll be. It'll be tomorrow, YouTube, YouTube and all that.
Speaker 2 (51:34):
No, actually I've already sent it. I sent you the
YouTube link, yes, okay, got it? Okay, all right, everybody, uh,
stay tuned because we have another show coming up in
about five minutes
Speaker 3 (52:03):
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