December 12, 2024 • 56 mins
Margie Kay interviews bigfoot researcher Mary Ann Ziebel about the bigfoot investigations she has done in Missouri and Arkansas. Mary Ann is very knowledgable and she has some good stories to tell. She is the director of the Ozark Mountain Bigfoot Conference in Springfield, Missouri.
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Speaker 1 (00:18):
It's time for the Unexed News New Extraterrestrials, time anomalies,
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(00:41):
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unex News podcast, Margie K.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Good evening everyone, and welcome to unex News. I'm your host,
Margie K and we are here every Friday evening at
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will enjoy and appreciate. So tonight we venture into the
world of Bigfoot, the elusive creature that few have seen
(02:29):
and many wonder about its reality. Why is it that
despite the thousands of footprints found and cast or photographed,
many DNA samples, and fleeting sightings recorded, some people are
still unconvinced of its existence. My listeners know that I've
seen the creature myself, and I find the subject fascinating.
(02:49):
This evening, my guest is mary Ann ze Belt. I
think I'm going to make sure I pronounced that correctly.
Mary Ann had an interest in crypt It's from an
early age. She became a Bigfoot researcher and began leading
expeditions in Missouri, then Oklahoma, and Arkansas. Mary is a
director of the ozark Mountain Bigfoot Conference held in Springfield, Missouri.
(03:14):
Welcome to the program, Marianne, Thank you for having me,
I hope I didn't butcher your last name toom. No,
you're good, You're good, all right. So, Mary Anne, how
did you get interested in the subject of Bigfoot?
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Well, like I said, when I was a kid, you know,
the library, anything that I could get my hands on,
And I did that, you know, as a little kid
for a long time. And then as I got older,
it was you know, the TV shows, online, things like that.
But in twenty nineteen, a lady I worked with was
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telling me that her husband liked to listen to the
police scanner in the evenings, right, and he had heard
about a sighting over the police scanner that was just
a couple of counties over from where we were at.
And I kind of kind of laughed at her, you know,
I'm like, yeah, at that point, I didn't really believe
they were around here. I thought that they were you know,
(04:17):
Pacific Northwest. And so she's like, you need to go
look on the BFRO site. It's okay, I'd been on
there before, but not it really got into it in depth, right,
And so when I went on and looked, I saw
where they were holding expeditions in the state of Missouri,
and I thought, oh, Okay, that's let's try that. And
(04:40):
I came home and told my husband I wanted to
go bigfoot hunting and he looked at me like I'd
lost my mind. So yeah, he agreed to it, you know,
he agreed to it. And that fall we headed out
on our first BFRO expedition, and we didn't know anybody.
(05:01):
You know, we rolled into this just as green as
we could be, and we thought, well, we're either going
to have a blast because we're just out camping, or
it's the worst thing we've ever done. And turned out
it was the best thing we'd ever done. So the
first night that we were out, we had been several
locations that evening and all the groups converged on one location.
(05:24):
Now they all split back into their groups and went
different directions, and we headed out with our group and
we walked down this road and a gentleman leading the
group said, well, let's step off here. Let's just go
out here, maybe find a place sit down, just listen
for a while. Okay, you know, so we did. We
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kind of sat around in this circle and we're sitting
there and I remember there was a girl sitting to
my left and I'm looking at her She's like Camo
head to top toe, right, and she pulled that hoodie,
that hood down over her head and proceeded to go
to sleep. And I thought, you know, if I didn't
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know she was sitting there, I would walk right past her.
That's just how well she blended into the surroundings. And
there were there were ten of us in this group,
and the gentleman, some of them, were talking about who
was sitting where, and this discussion was going on. Wasn't
paying a whole lot of attention to it because I
was just completely enamored with the whole thing of the Camo.
(06:30):
I mean, you know, you see people in Camo all
the time, the hunters, right, and I'm sitting there, and
I'd look away and I'd look back and think, I
really would not be able to see this woman. I
was just really taken with that. And about that point
in time, part of the group jumps up and rushes
as an opposite direction. So all of us at that
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point are standing looking to see what, you know, is
going on. And so some of the gentlemen in the group,
I think there was three of them, had decided at
this point that there were eleven of us sitting there,
not ten, and they jumped up and moved toward the
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subject that they believed wasn't part of us. Right. So
at that point we're all standing there listening to them
talk about it, and my husband myself, and there was
a younger girl standing to my side, and we started
to hear this loud kind of slapping behind us, and
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so I turned around and I took I don't know
about five steps in that direction to get a better view.
And at that point in time, I could see a
very large figure step out from behind a tree, you know,
estimate about maybe twenty five yards. Now, this was a
night where there was a full moon, and it was
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very light out, and I could see no details because
the face was shaded because the moon was directly overhead.
But I could tell that it was very large, very broad,
and it stepped out into view. You know, it had
no problem making itself known. Wow, So it happened. Yeah.
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At that point, my husband is getting the gentleman that's
leading the group, and he so worked up over what
happened previous, you know, just before that that we never
could get him to really focus in, you know, so
we could show him what we were seeing and about
that point in time, there was another one to the
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left of that one that started to make it self known.
It was moving around. You couldn't see it, but you
could hear it. And at that point the gentleman that
was leading the expedition was convinced we were being surrounded
and we were going to leave the woods. And I
didn't really want to do that. I wanted to say
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where I was at, because that's what we paid for, right,
you know exactly. And I was basically told that if
I didn't come willingly, I would be drug out of
the woods because we were leaving. So begrudgingly I left
the woods. Well, these things followed us out. You could
hear them the whole time, you know, we were being
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followed out. We got back out to the road and
there was a slight incline that we had to start
to go up. And as we're getting to the top
of the incline, some of the other groups were already back,
and there was a person from one of the other
groups and they were therming us and down the hill
and they said, you all left somebody, and we kind
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of giggled and went, yeah, we've been through the numbers
game tonight no, we didn't leave anybody down there, and
so they started really paying attention to it, making note
of where it was at, and one of the taller
gentlemen went back down. They did a size comparison and
what was standing in the road was roughly eight feet tall.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Okay, that was not a human.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Not a human. Not a human. So that was the
first night I ever went on an expedition. I had
a class A sighting. It was a full moon, you know,
the trifecta of all things. Right.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
That's amazing because a lot of people go out on
these expeditions for weeks or months before something occurs. And
what's amazing to me is that you had several groups
out there at the same time. Yes, so obviously this
group of Sasquats knew you were all there. Oh, nobody's
sneaking up on those guys, they know. And do you
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think that their intention was to scare you off, get
you out of their territory?
Speaker 3 (10:54):
You know? I think what was going on because the
one that was with us was smaller. When the guys
were talking about it after we got back to camp,
it was smaller. It wasn't that big, So I think
it was a young one, and I think once you know,
it was not you know, we noticed it, you know,
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and they're up and moving and everything. I think Mama
stepped out to draw our attention to her so that
it could leave. Now, the whole time, I mean, I
was never scared. I never felt threatened, you know, nothing
like that, because I mean she and I say she,
because I believe it was a female. You know, I
believe it was a female. She wasn't aggressive. She just
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made sure we could see her standing there. And I
say we. I think I was actually the only one
that really saw her, But yeah, she was. She had
no problem stepping out from a tree, standing in full view,
stepping to the other side of the tree and standing
in full view for us, see, you know. And I
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think it was just a diversion, you know, baby got
too close, got caught, So Mom made a diversion so
that we would pay attention to her and it could
get away without anybody going after it seeing where it
went that type of thing.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Is that the point where the juvenile left.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
It had left before we ever saw her, because this area.
So we went back the next day into this area
in the daylight, and there was a small berm that
ran around about half of it, and then there was
a very large down tree, and when you stood on
the berm and looked where we had been sitting, that
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whole area was completely mashed down. There were no saplings, nothing.
It was like a nice bedding area, and if you
turned around and looked the other way, there were saplings everywhere.
So I think this is an area where they betted
down because it was hidden from the road, was hidden
from all kinds of areas, and you would be able
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to walk up on it without them hearing you. And
there was that small burm on one side that you know,
they could just roll over and if you weren't standing
on it, you wouldn't see them. And there was water
right there, you know. We found a track in a
mud hole up there. So I think we just happened
to walk into a place, you know, where they slept.
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And we don't know if the baby was there when
we walked in, or if it kind of fell in
and walked in with us.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
But yeah, that's pretty amazing that you had that experience
with this juvenile coming into your group, probably obviously curious
about who you were and not afraid of you.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
No, I don't think it was at all. I mean,
you know, I mean when when we made a move
toward it, though, you know, when the gentleman did make
a move toward it, they it did it did leave then,
you know. But no, it was right there with us.
I mean, it was probably within five feet of a
couple of different people. That's how close it us to us.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
That's that's pretty awesome. What about the history of the
area that we're talking about, the Missouri Ozarks as far
as Bigfoot is concerned.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Well, there's there's a couple of different legends if you
want to call him that. In they're more over in
the eastern part of the state, they call it. There's
what they call Blue Man over there, and we're not
really sure exactly how he got that name because there's
a couple of different There was a soldier from the
Civil War that moved into that area, and I believe
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his name was Blue Saul is what they called him.
And he was the one that originally saw the Bigfoot
that he talked about all the time. Now they got
to where they called it blue Man, and they don't
know if that became came from Saul because he was
Blue Saal or another story that has been told is
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that it was so black it had a blue sheen
to it. So those are a company, yeah, you hear those.
And then of course you've got Momo, which is a
little farther north, and that's just another story of Bigfoot.
But Missouri doesn't get all the credit it should because
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we actually have a lot more sightings than we're given
credit for. There's a lot more activity here than people
really know. But you know, the locals just don't talk
about it.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Well. The state of Missouri is hit mostly rural and
wooded woods, and we've got the Mark Twain National Forests.
There are lakes everywhere, rivers, big rivers Mississippi Missouri, but
there's lots of small rivers and streams going throughout the
entire state. And of course we're also known as the
(16:03):
Cave state exactly, so you know, there's habitat available. It's
just the perfect place. And of course there's lots of
preyable food source, perfect place for anything big that wants
to live here, and unnoticed.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
For the best part, exactly, yes, yeah, yeah, And Mark
Twain has a lot of reports out of it, it
really does. And you know, it's just that perfect. You know,
perfect storm for them. There's cover, there's water, there's there's prey,
so why wouldn't they be in there.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
We've got a question from Chad. Are there any UFO
UAP reports along with your bigfoot sightings?
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Well, in the areas over in the eastern part of
the state, there are more of that. I mean, of course,
you know, Piedmont's over there, and that's you know, the
UFO capital, So that part of the state just seems
to be a little more active with bigfoot sightings and
(17:13):
UFO things that go on over there. I don't get
into the UFOs, so I don't know that much as
far as reports on them typically. I mean we occasionally
because I am a BFRO investigator, and we do sometimes
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get things that go along with it. People have seen
odd things, you know, but that's not normal. That's not
the norm.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Okay, just for the heck of it. For people who
don't know about Momo, can you give us a quick
synopsis of that the history.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Well, let's see, if I remember correctly, I believe that
MOMO started either in the late sixties or seventies, and
there was a rash of sightings in I'm trying to remember, right,
off the top of my head, I can't remember the town,
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but like you said, small town, rural area, and people
were seeing this large, hairy figure, you know, in different
areas along the river, things like that, and I think
it was when it first started, like I said, in
the late sixties, early seventies, something like that. I think
there had been some reports earlier, just like most of
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the plate most of the state, you know, there are
reports for years and years and years. But there was
just a big rash of them in that area, and
so they called it MOMO, which was Missouri monsters. How
that name came about?
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Question from Steve Smith, did you experience any while you
were doing any of your expeditions.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
I have never had rocks thrown at me per se.
We had one night we were doing there was just
a three of us out and we were thinking whatever
was being thrown was either teeny teeny tiny like pebbles,
or it was acorns, and we're not really sure because
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whatever it was was, it was just very very small.
I do know some people that have had, you know,
have had the rocks thrown at them, but luckily I've
never had any rocks chunked at me.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
I don't think I would appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Well, you know, as long as they're small and they
don't hit me, we're good.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
I I understand that in most cases where rocks are
thrown there nearby, they're at a person's feet, but they
rarely get actually struck by rocks. Do you think that's
more of a warning you need to leave the area?
This is my space type of thing.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
I don't necessarily think it's a warning. I think they're
playing with you, because, first of all, if it was
a warning, they could smack you with that rock and
send you out of there real quick. Most of the time,
it's they're throwing stuff close to you, you know, around you,
that kind of stuff, not necessarily hitting you. It's just
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kind of messing with you, you know, just throwing stuff
out of the woods at you.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
So they're they're letting you know that they're there. And So,
in any of your expeditions, did anybody get good photos
of Tasquatch?
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Well, that would be the million dollar photo, now, wouldn't
It is just really hard and you know a lot
of people that aren't out there in boots on the
ground and say, well, why don't you have a good photo. Well,
I'll tell you what, when you're out there, even though
you expect it and something does happen, that camera is
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the last thing you think about pulling out, right, especially
if it's you interpret it as an aggressive thing, which
I never have. But even when something happens, it catches
you off guard, even when you're out there looking for it,
it catches you off guard. It happens so fast that
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by the time you think to grab that camera, it's gone.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
So you know, that's the way it is with UFO
sightings too. You're so shocked by what you're looking at
that that is the last thing you're thinking of, even
if you have your phone in your hand.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
I mean I've done it myself. I've seen something amazing
stood there and I'm thinking, you know, I'm supposed to
be the professional here, and I don't think about it
until it's like two minutes later and the thing is gone.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Yes, exactly. You're you're kind of shocked, you know, when
something like that happens, even though you know you're looking
for it, and when it happens, you're just like, oh,
oh wait, I'm supposed to be I'm supposed to be
doing something here.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Yeah wait, I've got to show someone this. I gotta
I've got.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
To have proof, right right, Well, what am I going
to do?
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Of course, now everybody says everything is c GI.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Yeah we have. It's not a photo, it's a it's
a therm. It's Richard Stewart Taylor. He goes out, he's
b f ro o and he goes with us. And
one night there was a group of us and we
were sitting on a gravel bar and we were in
an area where they had the therm these before. So
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we were all sitting on the gravel bar and we
were looking across the river up in the bluffs because
there's some caves in there and there's some little places
and a few years ago they had thermed them in
there all evening. So we're sitting there and the first
thing that happened was we had lights come up that
we can still we can't. They were in the trees
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and everything else. Somebody's like, well, it's the stars coming up. No,
we watched the stars come up. These did not move
l stars coming up. So we had these lights we'd
been watching for quite a while and nothing else was
going on a whole lot. And Richard got up and
start to move around a little bit, and I noticed
he was just standing in one spot and he had
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the therm going, and I finally kind of turned out
looked at him, and he just kind of grinned, and
I knew he had something, and so he started to
move toward it. And he has on his therm. He's
got like the shoulder the arm. You see it going
through the bush. I mean you can tell it's upright
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and it's walking away.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Oh wow.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Yeah, And it was about twenty feet behind us that night.
It had managed to get that close to us. It
was all the way up to where the foliage stopped
and then the gravel bar started, so it was about
twenty feet from us, and we never heard it. We
didn't know it. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Yeah, they are masters at moving around in the woods
at thout anybody hearing a sound, which is amazing considering
how much they weigh.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
Yeah, exactly. I think it's how it's that, you know,
it's how their feet are constructed. You know, they're so large,
and I think that that padding on their feet allows
them to move in such a manner that they make
no noise, you know, even on those crunchy leaves. You know,
it's it's just I mean, you hear them if they
(24:57):
want you to hear them, otherwise you won't know they're there.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Right well, and they certainly have been known for making
crashing sounds and tearing trees apart, shaking trees. You know,
seen some of the video with these big trees shaking
that no human could do, right. You know, obviously they're
wanting to get attention or want you to know they're there,
and you know, probably mad that you're in their space
(25:22):
or something.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Right when they're doing something like that. Now, that's a
little more aggressive. That's probably one of those you just
want to pack your stuff and be on your way.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Well, we are up on a three
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Speaker 2 (28:39):
And welcome back to Unexed News. I'm your host, margiek
and my guest this evening is Mary Ann Zabel. She
is a bigfoot researcher and she is also the director
of the Ozark Mountain Bigfoot Conference. And while we I
mentioned that, why don't we talk about that a little bit?
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How long have you been doing the conference?
Speaker 3 (29:03):
This year was our third year. The first year we
did it, it was just a one day event. It
was very small. We have now branched out to not
only do we do a conference, a one day conference,
but we also go camp out on private property afterward.
And spend a few days out in the woods on
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a property that this gentleman allows us to come out
to that has had a lot of activity. So we
kind of set ourselves apart a little bit because that's
not your typical Bigfoot conference, you know, and it's like,
you know, as many as there are out there now,
you want to be different and being able to take
people out and hopefully you know, have an experience is
(29:46):
the ultimate things. So we have you know, we do that.
We take them out, we camp. It is primitive camping,
but you know, we have water, we bring porta potties
in and then I have some ladies that cook for us,
so we feed you breakfast and dinner. We teach classes
when we're out there, we go out on night hikes.
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We try to hit all the bases.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Wow, that sounds like quite an experience. Did you have
any luck this year?
Speaker 3 (30:16):
We did. We did the area. So the first year
that we camped, we actually had one come through. The
very last night, we had a storm blow through that
tore up our cook tent, and so after everything had
kind of calmed down and everybody got in their tents,
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one of the ladies decided she was going to get
in her car and sleep and not in her tent.
And she woke up around three point thirty in the
morning too. She said it sounded like something was tapping
on her car, and so she kind of opened her
eyes and she's looking around. She happened to be parked
next to my husband in ice tent, and behind our tent.
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She could see this figure standing behind our tent. Oh my, yes, Well,
I'm passed out. I'm so sound asleep at this point
because I've put on a conference. I've had a campound
and my husband's laying there and he can hear it.
And my husband is the resident skeptic. He's still not
had a full on sighting. He says, I know there's
(31:22):
something out there. I just don't know what it is
because of things that have happened. But he could hear
it walking around, messing around behind the tent. Well, when
we got up the next morning and we started hearing
people that thing had walked all the way around our
camp area. I have a really good friend, Shane Carpenter.
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He tracks, and so we got him up and we're like, okay,
you need to come out here. We think we have something.
So he got to looking and he found in the
tall grass compression tracks all the way around the campground.
It had circled all the way around. It had been
down in between our porta potties, it had just been
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all over. It actually walked under somebody's canopy and was
messing with things on their table. So, yeah, we had
quite the quite the visitor that first time around. Yeah, yeah,
it is wild. This year. One of the nights, we
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had taken a group and went up the hill behind
this gentleman's house, and about the time we got to
the top of the hill, part of the people in
the back of the group were growled at, and then
when we got on top of the hill we got
some thermal hits. So we you know, we've had quite
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a few things. We had some vocalization this year that
we normally don't get out there, and they liked to
come in and mess around that area because there's some
old farm equipment there and you will hear in the
middle of the night it sounds like metal hitting metal,
just like something tapping on it, and that happens occasionally. Yeah,
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just there's some interesting things that go on on this property.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
So some of the things that you just discussed. It
sounds like something that's got some intelligence, yes, and also
you know opposable thumbs.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Yeah. So just just hearing things like that or seeing
the evidence left behind the next day, you realize just
a regular an animal, you know, a wool or a
raccoon or a bear or something is not going to
do those particular.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
Things right right well, And that's like we even walk
the road out there sometimes and this year we had
stuff thrown at us and it was landing on different
sides of the road and things like that, and it's like, Okay,
you know just as well as I do, there's not
an animal out there that throws things.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Right and misses you by two feet. Yeah, right, right exactly.
So I've got a question, is there any trail cam
evidence of Bigfoot?
Speaker 3 (34:17):
So, from what I understand, there are in private you know,
people have pictures of them on trail cams. It does exist,
but most of them won't show you because they, first
of all, don't want people all over their property or
they don't want to be harassed about it or made
fun of. But there are trail cam pictures that are good.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
I've seen a couple myself, but like you said, they
don't want.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
It made public exactly exactly.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
James wants to know. Have you explored North Missouri sightings
and reports?
Speaker 3 (34:54):
Actually, we have private property that we're working on up
there up North Missouri, and the gentleman has lived on
the property for like thirty six years and he has
seen them three times. His wife's seen him. We actually
went up there this fallen camped out and got a
lot of knocking and different things like that. So we
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have recorders up there right now. We've turned it into
a recording project at this point to just see what
we can come up with up there.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Yeah, I've taken reports from all over the state, every corner,
but there is I believe a large clan north west.
There are some in other places, but there's a particular property,
private property. This man owns a lot of acreage and
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he has been actually in contact. He's developed a relationship
with this group and they will come come around him
almost every night. The females in the group and the
juveniles will come around and then the males appear, but
they stand back mm hm. They you know, they've made
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their presence known and so they have developed a relationship
with this person. Do you have any other cases where
that is the case where the the the owner, the
landowner has been there for a while and they actually
develop a relationship and there and they can get very
close to them.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
I do not. I mean I've heard people say that,
but currently I don't have anything like that. Just you know,
it's kind of hard to get those sometimes because those
people also don't necessarily want everybody to know, you know,
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what's going on on their property. Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
True there yeah, And and people who live in rural
areas seem to be more tight lipt than people in
cities for some reason. I don't know what it is,
but yes, yeah, it's the same thing with it, you know,
ufo sitings, crop circles, bigfoot whatever. They just they don't
want strangers on their property. They don't want people trespassing,
(37:21):
and that sort of thing would happen. Yeah, you know,
if anybody knew exactly where it was, it would definitely happen.
Because people can't control themselves.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
They just have to know, right right, Yeah, yeah, exactly
like we you know, we don't tell people where we
go when for our conference camp out because that poor
gentleman would just be inundated if we did. And that's
the same thing. Like with the BFRO, we make them
sign non disclosures because you know, people would be all
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over the places if we.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Didn't m exactly. Carl is asking about Bigfoot language. We
just x con. We had Scott Nelson as our keynote
speaker and he spoke about how he believes Sasquatch has
a language. What do you think about that? Do they
talk to each other?
Speaker 3 (38:10):
Well, I think they have to if we just use
common sense, how else would they communicate. They have to
have some kind of language. Maybe they use some hand signs,
maybe you know what we call tree knocks, maybe their
mouth pops, you know that kind of stuff. I mean,
I think that's what's so wrong and with so many
of these and I'm just going to cover the whole
(38:32):
board here. You know, anything that it's encryptied. People are
not using critical thinking and common sense. You know some things.
I guess you know that you can get a boy
with it a little bit more. But it's like, if
we just use a little bit of common sense in
some of these cases, It's like, they obviously have to
have a way to communicate other animals. Do they make noises?
(38:56):
So if this thing is as smart as we think
it is, it should have some form of language. Only
makes sense to me.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
Me too, I agree. Got a few photos you sent me.
Let's just show these and have you explained what we're
looking at.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
This was sent to me by a gentleman in the west,
let's see, the southwest corner of Missouri. Don't have a
lot of information on it because sometimes they send you
stuff and that's it. They're done. They don't want to
communicate anymore. This was found in his field. He's a farmer, so, yeah,
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he sent a couple of pictures like that.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
Well, that looks like a pretty big footprint, I think,
too big for human.
Speaker 3 (39:44):
Well, and you see how deep it is too?
Speaker 2 (39:46):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's something very heavy. Yes, I'll but
he had more footprints there he didn't share with.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
You, Oh, probably probably. Yeah, we're lucky to get that. Hey, wow,
that's yeah, that came from the same gentleman. You can
tell he's got a cornfield, right, and that's standing out
there in his cornfield.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
Yeah, and it's pretty pretty high, pretty tall up there. Yeah,
that's kind of creepy. Yeah. What what was the story behinded?
Did he know something was there and he took a
picture or was he he?
Speaker 3 (40:28):
He, like I said, didn't get a little of information
from this guy. He sent some foot the tracks this
and said this is what's going on, and that was it.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
Yeah, and you're supposed to decipher. I know, I get
the same thing sometimes. Yeah, it's like, look at the
picture and that's the report, right, Please tell me a
little bit.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
More, okay, right right exactly?
Speaker 2 (40:55):
And then we've got this one. What are we looking
at here?
Speaker 3 (40:59):
Well, that was a whole ordeal in itself. There's a
little video that goes with us and back last spring,
we were out in an area and there was a
whole group of us, but there was like three of
us that had kind of hung back, and two of
us kept hearing something right, and we're telling the guy
(41:21):
with us, we hear something over here, and so he's thermy.
And there's this little video and this figure right here
comes up out of the creek on all fours. It
comes up and you see it stand up next to
a tree. It grabs a hold of the tree. It's
looking around the tree both sides, and we get this
(41:43):
image and he was losing his mind because we thought
we had we thought we had it right and we
get in the vehicles and we head back to camp.
We can't get back to camp fast enough and we
jump out of our v hickels. I've got my laptop,
he's got his stuff. We put it in. We're watching
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it because I didn't get to see it until I
got back to camp, and I'm like, oh my, okay,
there we go, right, So we wouldn't We didn't release it.
We have He has a friend and that's a producer
in Hollywood, and he went through it. There was like
forty five seconds of that we and he went through
it and he found three frames where you can see
(42:26):
the ears and the snout. It was a bear. I
just kept are you sure?
Speaker 2 (42:34):
Are you sure? Yeah? Well, that's kind of disappointing, but
you know, you do have to do your due diligence
and find out what it really.
Speaker 3 (42:43):
Is exactly, because we could have put that out and
said here it is, We've got it, and somebody would
have done what we did and said, no, it's a bear.
So it's you know, we have to fact check ourselves,
you know.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
Oh yeah, yeah, you do. I mean, if you're doing
any any type of investigation, whether it's paranormal or bigfoot
or whatever. You gotta got a deep dive and debunk
everything that you possibly can, or no one will take
you seriously exactly. Know. That just proves right there that
you're serious.
Speaker 3 (43:16):
Well, and that's yeah, you have to, And I mean
I I try to any reports I get, because back
in September, I got a report of a gentleman shooting
a bigfoot and it took me forever to get him
on the phone, and we even set up to go
meet him and he didn't show up. You know, I mean,
(43:36):
listening to him on the phone, it was a really
good story and I really wanted to get in there
and see what was going on, but he blew us off.
You know, get a text or two days a few
days later, Oh I had COVID, you know kind of thing.
But if I hadn't went and checked, it would have
turned out to have been something. So you have to
(43:56):
check them all, whether whether you you know.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
Yeah, you just do.
Speaker 3 (44:00):
That's just part of it.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
Carl wants to know, do you do investigations year round
or just in conjunction with the conference.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
Well, I don't like to be out there when it's
really cold or really hot, so we do a lot
of ours in the spring and fall. Like this year,
I have gotten permission to go into Oklahoma and Arkansas
with the BFRO, So we're doing a Missouri expedition in
the spring, which is in April, and then we're going
(44:30):
to Oklahoma in May. We're not going to be doing
anything too much during the summer, and then in September
we're going to probably be going into Arkansas, and then
in October. The first weekend in October is going to
be the conference and my personal expedition, and then there'll
be another expedition probably the end of October for Missouri.
(44:55):
So okay, we're trying to do these more and more
and more, but it seems to be that the spring
in the fall is when they're most active, so that's
when we try to go out.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
Okay, And then here's the graphic from your conference from
this year, which I attended and was very good, by
the way, thank you. This was an excellent lineup of
experts that wow they had They showed some amazing photographic
evidence and video and so what have you got planned
(45:35):
for this year?
Speaker 3 (45:36):
Well, we're going back to the same place we were at.
I was able to acquire that again, so we're going
to go back there. A couple, well, probably three of
the gentlemen that were there last year will be back
this year. Wayne Throws he spoke at the camp out
and not at the conference, and this year I think
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he's going to speak at the conference. And Shane Carpenter
is always there. He has a documentary out called Into
the four hundred, and he and I kind of got
together a few years ago when I did the first
one and we hit it off. We've become really good
buddies and he helps me out a lot. We do
(46:19):
things together, we go out, check things out. I'm always
sending him stuff, what do you think about this? Have
you heard of this? You know, different things like that.
So we kind of try to work together a little bit.
And he's just he's going to be a regular there
as long as he wants to be a regular because
he is working on another documentary and he has a
film crew following him around and they have been at
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our conference all three years. So when that comes out,
we're going to be on a documentary.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
Oh awesome.
Speaker 3 (46:50):
Yeah, yeah, but I haven't done a whole lot with
it yet. You know, probably first of the year is
when we'll start announcing some more stuff. I mean, we
have the date, that type of thing. It's October the fourth,
It's a Saturday, okay, and that'll be the day of
the conference. We may be doing like a VIP night
(47:13):
this time, and then we'll definitely have our camp out,
which always happens immediately after the conference and through usually Wednesday.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
Okay, So you've just head out right right after the
conference for the camp out.
Speaker 3 (47:27):
Yeah, we tell everybody. My husband usually goes out and
sets up, you know, him and the cook ladies go out,
set stuff up, and we have it. We have ours
set up, and we try to get out there and
everybody kind of gets their stuff thrown together and we
feed them. And the first night is just kind of
a everybody sits down and relaxes and just gets to
know each other type deal. You know. We don't really
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try to do anything that first night other than just
visit with each other. And then after that we get
out and start to do things the next few days.
Speaker 2 (48:00):
So, if somebody's interested in the conference or any of
your expeditions or the one right after this next conference,
how do they get in touch with you or register.
Speaker 3 (48:12):
If it's anything to do with the conference. It's we
have a Facebook page and it's Ozark Mountain Bigfoot and
Bigfoot Conference, and you can reach out to me on
that page and I can answer any of your questions,
help you with anything. We can do that. If you're
interested in any of the BFRO expeditions, you have to
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go on to bfro dot net and the expeditions for
the states are on there. I don't believe the Arkansas
one is up yet. I have to give them the
dates for that and then that one will be up.
But the definitely the Spring Missouri expedition is up and
the Spring Oklahoma expedition is up.
Speaker 2 (48:55):
Okay, got another question in chat. We've got a few
more minutes. Have any of your members had psychic encounters
with Bigfoot?
Speaker 3 (49:06):
I have a couple of people that say that they
have experienced mind speak, and you know, that's one of
those things that's you know, some people are very open
to that, and then there are people are like, no, no,
that doesn't happen, you know, But I mean I do
know people that have said they've had that happen.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
So yeah, yeah, we can talk about that later. I've
had a few experiences myself, right, and that's that's one
of the main reasons I'm interested in in the subject.
I mean, I always believed that there was something from
the time I was a kid. I was interested in it,
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but I kind of went down a different path doing
paranormal investigations, in UFO investigations, and then I happen to
right into a situation where some people were trying to
figure out they were doing a sasquatch investigation where their
son had seen one, and then UFO showed up. So
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you know, I made I thought, Okay, there's a connection here.
I've got to dig into this further.
Speaker 3 (50:17):
But yeah, I haven't really had too much of the UFO,
but we've had orbs happen when we're out now, not
necessarily like oh I saw Bigfoot and then I saw
an ORB. No, we were out on a Bigfoot expedition
and have had orbs. I've had that happen at least
two different times, three two or three different times, completely
(50:41):
different locations. You know, we've had that kind of stuff happen.
Speaker 2 (50:47):
That's something that's fascinating to me. I've taken so many
reports of orbs balls of light, and they seem to
be in most cases and you can tell me if
this happened to you or if this is what witnessed.
They're luminous, but they don't shine a light, correct, like
self luminous. Is that what you experienced?
Speaker 3 (51:07):
Yes? Yeah, Because the first time that they happened, when
we were out bigfooting, we you know, had walked off
trail again and sat down in the woods and my
husband and I are kind of off to ourselves, and
they popped up at my feet. There were like three
of them, three or four, about the size of a
(51:27):
ping pong ball, right, and they're milling around at my
feet because I'm sitting down. He's standing next to me
and he's looking at me like, oh my god, and
I'm just kind of giggling at him. I'm like, yeah,
you're seeing them. And they were they were like pastel right,
and they were you know, they're just little lights just
(51:50):
just right there, really close to the ground. And as
quick as they were there, they were gone, you know.
And then there was another time we were actually in
Kentucky on an expedition and we were down the path
from a private family cemetery and we had split into
(52:12):
two groups. Both of the groups were finally at the
end we were sitting there discussing walking back, and we
see this light coming down the path and we're like, oh,
my gosh, somebody must be coming. Something must have happened,
somebody's coming to get us, because it looked like somebody's headlamp.
It's bobbing and moving and you can see it, and
(52:33):
there was a nice dip before you came up and
got to where we were at, and it went in
the dip and we never saw it again. We even
went and looked for it because we all saw it,
all of us, and we were like, where did that go?
I don't know. And the night that we were sitting
(52:54):
on the river bank, there were lights in the trees
up on the cliffs above us and they were milling
around and like you said, they're light, but they don't
put out light.
Speaker 2 (53:06):
Yeah, yeah, it's bizarre. I've seen them many times myself.
I don't have any explanation for that. That's probably one
of the weirdest things in existence. So one last question.
Have you tried leaving food out for Bigfoot or or
in fact gifting is what it's called gifting?
Speaker 1 (53:25):
Right?
Speaker 3 (53:26):
I do not like to leave food out because there
are too many accounts of aggressive behavior or poor behavior
when you stop doing that. If you're going to leave
things out, you should leave shiny things, little toys, things
like that, because it's kind of like any other wildlife.
(53:49):
You shouldn't be feeding it, not on a regular basis.
And had I've just heard too many people talk about
they feed, feed, feed, and then when they stop, they
go back into that area and the areas torn apart.
They go back in and they're not met with friendly
you know, like before. So I really kind of discourage
(54:12):
the feeding aspect of it. If you want to give
that's fine, but go to the dollar store and buy
bright little toys or leave rocks or marbles or things
like that, because that's you're not feeding it and you
don't cause a problem that way.
Speaker 2 (54:30):
That is super good advice. And yeah, we are unfortunately
out of time for today. I could talk to you
for another four hours easily, But thank you so much, Marrianne.
It's been great, Thank you, and you're really truly an
expert on the subject, and I've enjoyed having you this
evening so well.
Speaker 3 (54:50):
Appreciate that. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (54:52):
Oh yeah, I'm looking forward to the conference next year
and I know it'll be just as good as it
was this year, or if not better.
Speaker 3 (55:00):
Oh, I hope it's better.
Speaker 2 (55:02):
Looking forward to that. Thank you so much, Mary, thank you. Okay,
wow Bigfoot. Yes, this is a subject I don't talk
about enough on this program. So I'll try to get
better and do more of that because it certainly is
something that I'm very very interested in myself. And Wow,
(55:24):
we are going to Unfortunately that's the end of the show.
So I'll here. I'll see you here again next Friday.
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will enjoy and appreciate. So tonight we venture into the
world of Bigfoot, the elusive creature that few have seen
(02:29):
and many wonder about its reality. Why is it that
despite the thousands of footprints found and cast or photographed,
many DNA samples, and fleeting sightings recorded, some people are
still unconvinced of its existence. My listeners know that I've
seen the creature myself, and I find the subject fascinating.
(02:49):
This evening, my guest is mary Ann ze Belt. I
think I'm going to make sure I pronounced that correctly.
Mary Ann had an interest in crypt It's from an
early age. She became a Bigfoot researcher and began leading
expeditions in Missouri, then Oklahoma, and Arkansas. Mary is a
director of the ozark Mountain Bigfoot Conference held in Springfield, Missouri.
(03:14):
Welcome to the program, Marianne, Thank you for having me,
I hope I didn't butcher your last name toom. No,
you're good, You're good, all right. So, Mary Anne, how
did you get interested in the subject of Bigfoot?
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Well, like I said, when I was a kid, you know,
the library, anything that I could get my hands on,
And I did that, you know, as a little kid
for a long time. And then as I got older,
it was you know, the TV shows, online, things like that.
But in twenty nineteen, a lady I worked with was
(03:54):
telling me that her husband liked to listen to the
police scanner in the evenings, right, and he had heard
about a sighting over the police scanner that was just
a couple of counties over from where we were at.
And I kind of kind of laughed at her, you know,
I'm like, yeah, at that point, I didn't really believe
they were around here. I thought that they were you know,
(04:17):
Pacific Northwest. And so she's like, you need to go
look on the BFRO site. It's okay, I'd been on
there before, but not it really got into it in depth, right,
And so when I went on and looked, I saw
where they were holding expeditions in the state of Missouri,
and I thought, oh, Okay, that's let's try that. And
(04:40):
I came home and told my husband I wanted to
go bigfoot hunting and he looked at me like I'd
lost my mind. So yeah, he agreed to it, you know,
he agreed to it. And that fall we headed out
on our first BFRO expedition, and we didn't know anybody.
(05:01):
You know, we rolled into this just as green as
we could be, and we thought, well, we're either going
to have a blast because we're just out camping, or
it's the worst thing we've ever done. And turned out
it was the best thing we'd ever done. So the
first night that we were out, we had been several
locations that evening and all the groups converged on one location.
(05:24):
Now they all split back into their groups and went
different directions, and we headed out with our group and
we walked down this road and a gentleman leading the
group said, well, let's step off here. Let's just go
out here, maybe find a place sit down, just listen
for a while. Okay, you know, so we did. We
(05:44):
kind of sat around in this circle and we're sitting
there and I remember there was a girl sitting to
my left and I'm looking at her She's like Camo
head to top toe, right, and she pulled that hoodie,
that hood down over her head and proceeded to go
to sleep. And I thought, you know, if I didn't
(06:06):
know she was sitting there, I would walk right past her.
That's just how well she blended into the surroundings. And
there were there were ten of us in this group,
and the gentleman, some of them, were talking about who
was sitting where, and this discussion was going on. Wasn't
paying a whole lot of attention to it because I
was just completely enamored with the whole thing of the Camo.
(06:30):
I mean, you know, you see people in Camo all
the time, the hunters, right, and I'm sitting there, and
I'd look away and I'd look back and think, I
really would not be able to see this woman. I
was just really taken with that. And about that point
in time, part of the group jumps up and rushes
as an opposite direction. So all of us at that
(06:53):
point are standing looking to see what, you know, is
going on. And so some of the gentlemen in the group,
I think there was three of them, had decided at
this point that there were eleven of us sitting there,
not ten, and they jumped up and moved toward the
(07:14):
subject that they believed wasn't part of us. Right. So
at that point we're all standing there listening to them
talk about it, and my husband myself, and there was
a younger girl standing to my side, and we started
to hear this loud kind of slapping behind us, and
(07:38):
so I turned around and I took I don't know
about five steps in that direction to get a better view.
And at that point in time, I could see a
very large figure step out from behind a tree, you know,
estimate about maybe twenty five yards. Now, this was a
night where there was a full moon, and it was
(07:58):
very light out, and I could see no details because
the face was shaded because the moon was directly overhead.
But I could tell that it was very large, very broad,
and it stepped out into view. You know, it had
no problem making itself known. Wow, So it happened. Yeah.
(08:20):
At that point, my husband is getting the gentleman that's
leading the group, and he so worked up over what
happened previous, you know, just before that that we never
could get him to really focus in, you know, so
we could show him what we were seeing and about
that point in time, there was another one to the
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left of that one that started to make it self known.
It was moving around. You couldn't see it, but you
could hear it. And at that point the gentleman that
was leading the expedition was convinced we were being surrounded
and we were going to leave the woods. And I
didn't really want to do that. I wanted to say
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where I was at, because that's what we paid for, right,
you know exactly. And I was basically told that if
I didn't come willingly, I would be drug out of
the woods because we were leaving. So begrudgingly I left
the woods. Well, these things followed us out. You could
hear them the whole time, you know, we were being
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followed out. We got back out to the road and
there was a slight incline that we had to start
to go up. And as we're getting to the top
of the incline, some of the other groups were already back,
and there was a person from one of the other
groups and they were therming us and down the hill
and they said, you all left somebody, and we kind
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of giggled and went, yeah, we've been through the numbers
game tonight no, we didn't leave anybody down there, and
so they started really paying attention to it, making note
of where it was at, and one of the taller
gentlemen went back down. They did a size comparison and
what was standing in the road was roughly eight feet tall.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Okay, that was not a human.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Not a human. Not a human. So that was the
first night I ever went on an expedition. I had
a class A sighting. It was a full moon, you know,
the trifecta of all things. Right.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
That's amazing because a lot of people go out on
these expeditions for weeks or months before something occurs. And
what's amazing to me is that you had several groups
out there at the same time. Yes, so obviously this
group of Sasquats knew you were all there. Oh, nobody's
sneaking up on those guys, they know. And do you
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think that their intention was to scare you off, get
you out of their territory?
Speaker 3 (10:54):
You know? I think what was going on because the
one that was with us was smaller. When the guys
were talking about it after we got back to camp,
it was smaller. It wasn't that big, So I think
it was a young one, and I think once you know,
it was not you know, we noticed it, you know,
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and they're up and moving and everything. I think Mama
stepped out to draw our attention to her so that
it could leave. Now, the whole time, I mean, I
was never scared. I never felt threatened, you know, nothing
like that, because I mean she and I say she,
because I believe it was a female. You know, I
believe it was a female. She wasn't aggressive. She just
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made sure we could see her standing there. And I
say we. I think I was actually the only one
that really saw her, But yeah, she was. She had
no problem stepping out from a tree, standing in full view,
stepping to the other side of the tree and standing
in full view for us, see, you know. And I
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think it was just a diversion, you know, baby got
too close, got caught, So Mom made a diversion so
that we would pay attention to her and it could
get away without anybody going after it seeing where it
went that type of thing.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Is that the point where the juvenile left.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
It had left before we ever saw her, because this area.
So we went back the next day into this area
in the daylight, and there was a small berm that
ran around about half of it, and then there was
a very large down tree, and when you stood on
the berm and looked where we had been sitting, that
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whole area was completely mashed down. There were no saplings, nothing.
It was like a nice bedding area, and if you
turned around and looked the other way, there were saplings everywhere.
So I think this is an area where they betted
down because it was hidden from the road, was hidden
from all kinds of areas, and you would be able
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to walk up on it without them hearing you. And
there was that small burm on one side that you know,
they could just roll over and if you weren't standing
on it, you wouldn't see them. And there was water
right there, you know. We found a track in a
mud hole up there. So I think we just happened
to walk into a place, you know, where they slept.
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And we don't know if the baby was there when
we walked in, or if it kind of fell in
and walked in with us.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
But yeah, that's pretty amazing that you had that experience
with this juvenile coming into your group, probably obviously curious
about who you were and not afraid of you.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
No, I don't think it was at all. I mean,
you know, I mean when when we made a move
toward it, though, you know, when the gentleman did make
a move toward it, they it did it did leave then,
you know. But no, it was right there with us.
I mean, it was probably within five feet of a
couple of different people. That's how close it us to us.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
That's that's pretty awesome. What about the history of the
area that we're talking about, the Missouri Ozarks as far
as Bigfoot is concerned.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Well, there's there's a couple of different legends if you
want to call him that. In they're more over in
the eastern part of the state, they call it. There's
what they call Blue Man over there, and we're not
really sure exactly how he got that name because there's
a couple of different There was a soldier from the
Civil War that moved into that area, and I believe
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his name was Blue Saul is what they called him.
And he was the one that originally saw the Bigfoot
that he talked about all the time. Now they got
to where they called it blue Man, and they don't
know if that became came from Saul because he was
Blue Saal or another story that has been told is
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that it was so black it had a blue sheen
to it. So those are a company, yeah, you hear those.
And then of course you've got Momo, which is a
little farther north, and that's just another story of Bigfoot.
But Missouri doesn't get all the credit it should because
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we actually have a lot more sightings than we're given
credit for. There's a lot more activity here than people
really know. But you know, the locals just don't talk
about it.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Well. The state of Missouri is hit mostly rural and
wooded woods, and we've got the Mark Twain National Forests.
There are lakes everywhere, rivers, big rivers Mississippi Missouri, but
there's lots of small rivers and streams going throughout the
entire state. And of course we're also known as the
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Cave state exactly, so you know, there's habitat available. It's
just the perfect place. And of course there's lots of
preyable food source, perfect place for anything big that wants
to live here, and unnoticed.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
For the best part, exactly, yes, yeah, yeah, And Mark
Twain has a lot of reports out of it, it
really does. And you know, it's just that perfect. You know,
perfect storm for them. There's cover, there's water, there's there's prey,
so why wouldn't they be in there.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
We've got a question from Chad. Are there any UFO
UAP reports along with your bigfoot sightings?
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Well, in the areas over in the eastern part of
the state, there are more of that. I mean, of course,
you know, Piedmont's over there, and that's you know, the
UFO capital, So that part of the state just seems
to be a little more active with bigfoot sightings and
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UFO things that go on over there. I don't get
into the UFOs, so I don't know that much as
far as reports on them typically. I mean we occasionally
because I am a BFRO investigator, and we do sometimes
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get things that go along with it. People have seen
odd things, you know, but that's not normal. That's not
the norm.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Okay, just for the heck of it. For people who
don't know about Momo, can you give us a quick
synopsis of that the history.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Well, let's see, if I remember correctly, I believe that
MOMO started either in the late sixties or seventies, and
there was a rash of sightings in I'm trying to remember, right,
off the top of my head, I can't remember the town,
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but like you said, small town, rural area, and people
were seeing this large, hairy figure, you know, in different
areas along the river, things like that, and I think
it was when it first started, like I said, in
the late sixties, early seventies, something like that. I think
there had been some reports earlier, just like most of
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the plate most of the state, you know, there are
reports for years and years and years. But there was
just a big rash of them in that area, and
so they called it MOMO, which was Missouri monsters. How
that name came about?
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Question from Steve Smith, did you experience any while you
were doing any of your expeditions.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
I have never had rocks thrown at me per se.
We had one night we were doing there was just
a three of us out and we were thinking whatever
was being thrown was either teeny teeny tiny like pebbles,
or it was acorns, and we're not really sure because
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whatever it was was, it was just very very small.
I do know some people that have had, you know,
have had the rocks thrown at them, but luckily I've
never had any rocks chunked at me.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
I don't think I would appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Well, you know, as long as they're small and they
don't hit me, we're good.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
I I understand that in most cases where rocks are
thrown there nearby, they're at a person's feet, but they
rarely get actually struck by rocks. Do you think that's
more of a warning you need to leave the area?
This is my space type of thing.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
I don't necessarily think it's a warning. I think they're
playing with you, because, first of all, if it was
a warning, they could smack you with that rock and
send you out of there real quick. Most of the time,
it's they're throwing stuff close to you, you know, around you,
that kind of stuff, not necessarily hitting you. It's just
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kind of messing with you, you know, just throwing stuff
out of the woods at you.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
So they're they're letting you know that they're there. And So,
in any of your expeditions, did anybody get good photos
of Tasquatch?
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Well, that would be the million dollar photo, now, wouldn't
It is just really hard and you know a lot
of people that aren't out there in boots on the
ground and say, well, why don't you have a good photo. Well,
I'll tell you what, when you're out there, even though
you expect it and something does happen, that camera is
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the last thing you think about pulling out, right, especially
if it's you interpret it as an aggressive thing, which
I never have. But even when something happens, it catches
you off guard, even when you're out there looking for it,
it catches you off guard. It happens so fast that
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by the time you think to grab that camera, it's gone.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
So you know, that's the way it is with UFO
sightings too. You're so shocked by what you're looking at
that that is the last thing you're thinking of, even
if you have your phone in your hand.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
I mean I've done it myself. I've seen something amazing
stood there and I'm thinking, you know, I'm supposed to
be the professional here, and I don't think about it
until it's like two minutes later and the thing is gone.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Yes, exactly. You're you're kind of shocked, you know, when
something like that happens, even though you know you're looking
for it, and when it happens, you're just like, oh,
oh wait, I'm supposed to be I'm supposed to be
doing something here.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Yeah wait, I've got to show someone this. I gotta
I've got.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
To have proof, right right, Well, what am I going
to do?
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Of course, now everybody says everything is c GI.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Yeah we have. It's not a photo, it's a it's
a therm. It's Richard Stewart Taylor. He goes out, he's
b f ro o and he goes with us. And
one night there was a group of us and we
were sitting on a gravel bar and we were in
an area where they had the therm these before. So
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we were all sitting on the gravel bar and we
were looking across the river up in the bluffs because
there's some caves in there and there's some little places
and a few years ago they had thermed them in
there all evening. So we're sitting there and the first
thing that happened was we had lights come up that
we can still we can't. They were in the trees
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and everything else. Somebody's like, well, it's the stars coming up. No,
we watched the stars come up. These did not move
l stars coming up. So we had these lights we'd
been watching for quite a while and nothing else was
going on a whole lot. And Richard got up and
start to move around a little bit, and I noticed
he was just standing in one spot and he had
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the therm going, and I finally kind of turned out
looked at him, and he just kind of grinned, and
I knew he had something, and so he started to
move toward it. And he has on his therm. He's
got like the shoulder the arm. You see it going
through the bush. I mean you can tell it's upright
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and it's walking away.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Oh wow.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Yeah, And it was about twenty feet behind us that night.
It had managed to get that close to us. It
was all the way up to where the foliage stopped
and then the gravel bar started, so it was about
twenty feet from us, and we never heard it. We
didn't know it. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Yeah, they are masters at moving around in the woods
at thout anybody hearing a sound, which is amazing considering
how much they weigh.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
Yeah, exactly. I think it's how it's that, you know,
it's how their feet are constructed. You know, they're so large,
and I think that that padding on their feet allows
them to move in such a manner that they make
no noise, you know, even on those crunchy leaves. You know,
it's it's just I mean, you hear them if they
(24:57):
want you to hear them, otherwise you won't know they're there.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Right well, and they certainly have been known for making
crashing sounds and tearing trees apart, shaking trees. You know,
seen some of the video with these big trees shaking
that no human could do, right. You know, obviously they're
wanting to get attention or want you to know they're there,
and you know, probably mad that you're in their space
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or something.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Right when they're doing something like that. Now, that's a
little more aggressive. That's probably one of those you just
want to pack your stuff and be on your way.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Well, we are up on a three
minute break and we'll be back right after these messages.
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Speaker 2 (28:39):
And welcome back to Unexed News. I'm your host, margiek
and my guest this evening is Mary Ann Zabel. She
is a bigfoot researcher and she is also the director
of the Ozark Mountain Bigfoot Conference. And while we I
mentioned that, why don't we talk about that a little bit?
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How long have you been doing the conference?
Speaker 3 (29:03):
This year was our third year. The first year we
did it, it was just a one day event. It
was very small. We have now branched out to not
only do we do a conference, a one day conference,
but we also go camp out on private property afterward.
And spend a few days out in the woods on
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a property that this gentleman allows us to come out
to that has had a lot of activity. So we
kind of set ourselves apart a little bit because that's
not your typical Bigfoot conference, you know, and it's like,
you know, as many as there are out there now,
you want to be different and being able to take
people out and hopefully you know, have an experience is
(29:46):
the ultimate things. So we have you know, we do that.
We take them out, we camp. It is primitive camping,
but you know, we have water, we bring porta potties
in and then I have some ladies that cook for us,
so we feed you breakfast and dinner. We teach classes
when we're out there, we go out on night hikes.
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We try to hit all the bases.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Wow, that sounds like quite an experience. Did you have
any luck this year?
Speaker 3 (30:16):
We did. We did the area. So the first year
that we camped, we actually had one come through. The
very last night, we had a storm blow through that
tore up our cook tent, and so after everything had
kind of calmed down and everybody got in their tents,
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one of the ladies decided she was going to get
in her car and sleep and not in her tent.
And she woke up around three point thirty in the
morning too. She said it sounded like something was tapping
on her car, and so she kind of opened her
eyes and she's looking around. She happened to be parked
next to my husband in ice tent, and behind our tent.
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She could see this figure standing behind our tent. Oh my, yes, Well,
I'm passed out. I'm so sound asleep at this point
because I've put on a conference. I've had a campound
and my husband's laying there and he can hear it.
And my husband is the resident skeptic. He's still not
had a full on sighting. He says, I know there's
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something out there. I just don't know what it is
because of things that have happened. But he could hear
it walking around, messing around behind the tent. Well, when
we got up the next morning and we started hearing
people that thing had walked all the way around our
camp area. I have a really good friend, Shane Carpenter.
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He tracks, and so we got him up and we're like, okay,
you need to come out here. We think we have something.
So he got to looking and he found in the
tall grass compression tracks all the way around the campground.
It had circled all the way around. It had been
down in between our porta potties, it had just been
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all over. It actually walked under somebody's canopy and was
messing with things on their table. So, yeah, we had
quite the quite the visitor that first time around. Yeah, yeah,
it is wild. This year. One of the nights, we
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had taken a group and went up the hill behind
this gentleman's house, and about the time we got to
the top of the hill, part of the people in
the back of the group were growled at, and then
when we got on top of the hill we got
some thermal hits. So we you know, we've had quite
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a few things. We had some vocalization this year that
we normally don't get out there, and they liked to
come in and mess around that area because there's some
old farm equipment there and you will hear in the
middle of the night it sounds like metal hitting metal,
just like something tapping on it, and that happens occasionally. Yeah,
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just there's some interesting things that go on on this property.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
So some of the things that you just discussed. It
sounds like something that's got some intelligence, yes, and also
you know opposable thumbs.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Yeah. So just just hearing things like that or seeing
the evidence left behind the next day, you realize just
a regular an animal, you know, a wool or a
raccoon or a bear or something is not going to
do those particular.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
Things right right well, And that's like we even walk
the road out there sometimes and this year we had
stuff thrown at us and it was landing on different
sides of the road and things like that, and it's like, Okay,
you know just as well as I do, there's not
an animal out there that throws things.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Right and misses you by two feet. Yeah, right, right exactly.
So I've got a question, is there any trail cam
evidence of Bigfoot?
Speaker 3 (34:17):
So, from what I understand, there are in private you know,
people have pictures of them on trail cams. It does exist,
but most of them won't show you because they, first
of all, don't want people all over their property or
they don't want to be harassed about it or made
fun of. But there are trail cam pictures that are good.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
I've seen a couple myself, but like you said, they
don't want.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
It made public exactly exactly.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
James wants to know. Have you explored North Missouri sightings
and reports?
Speaker 3 (34:54):
Actually, we have private property that we're working on up
there up North Missouri, and the gentleman has lived on
the property for like thirty six years and he has
seen them three times. His wife's seen him. We actually
went up there this fallen camped out and got a
lot of knocking and different things like that. So we
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have recorders up there right now. We've turned it into
a recording project at this point to just see what
we can come up with up there.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Yeah, I've taken reports from all over the state, every corner,
but there is I believe a large clan north west.
There are some in other places, but there's a particular property,
private property. This man owns a lot of acreage and
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he has been actually in contact. He's developed a relationship
with this group and they will come come around him
almost every night. The females in the group and the
juveniles will come around and then the males appear, but
they stand back mm hm. They you know, they've made
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their presence known and so they have developed a relationship
with this person. Do you have any other cases where
that is the case where the the the owner, the
landowner has been there for a while and they actually
develop a relationship and there and they can get very
close to them.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
I do not. I mean I've heard people say that,
but currently I don't have anything like that. Just you know,
it's kind of hard to get those sometimes because those
people also don't necessarily want everybody to know, you know,
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what's going on on their property. Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
True there yeah, And and people who live in rural
areas seem to be more tight lipt than people in
cities for some reason. I don't know what it is,
but yes, yeah, it's the same thing with it, you know,
ufo sitings, crop circles, bigfoot whatever. They just they don't
want strangers on their property. They don't want people trespassing,
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and that sort of thing would happen. Yeah, you know,
if anybody knew exactly where it was, it would definitely happen.
Because people can't control themselves.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
They just have to know, right right, Yeah, yeah, exactly
like we you know, we don't tell people where we
go when for our conference camp out because that poor
gentleman would just be inundated if we did. And that's
the same thing. Like with the BFRO, we make them
sign non disclosures because you know, people would be all
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over the places if we.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Didn't m exactly. Carl is asking about Bigfoot language. We
just x con. We had Scott Nelson as our keynote
speaker and he spoke about how he believes Sasquatch has
a language. What do you think about that? Do they
talk to each other?
Speaker 3 (38:10):
Well, I think they have to if we just use
common sense, how else would they communicate. They have to
have some kind of language. Maybe they use some hand signs,
maybe you know what we call tree knocks, maybe their
mouth pops, you know that kind of stuff. I mean,
I think that's what's so wrong and with so many
of these and I'm just going to cover the whole
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board here. You know, anything that it's encryptied. People are
not using critical thinking and common sense. You know some things.
I guess you know that you can get a boy
with it a little bit more. But it's like, if
we just use a little bit of common sense in
some of these cases, It's like, they obviously have to
have a way to communicate other animals. Do they make noises?
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So if this thing is as smart as we think
it is, it should have some form of language. Only
makes sense to me.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
Me too, I agree. Got a few photos you sent me.
Let's just show these and have you explained what we're
looking at.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
This was sent to me by a gentleman in the west,
let's see, the southwest corner of Missouri. Don't have a
lot of information on it because sometimes they send you
stuff and that's it. They're done. They don't want to
communicate anymore. This was found in his field. He's a farmer, so, yeah,
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he sent a couple of pictures like that.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
Well, that looks like a pretty big footprint, I think,
too big for human.
Speaker 3 (39:44):
Well, and you see how deep it is too?
Speaker 2 (39:46):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's something very heavy. Yes, I'll but
he had more footprints there he didn't share with.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
You, Oh, probably probably. Yeah, we're lucky to get that. Hey, wow,
that's yeah, that came from the same gentleman. You can
tell he's got a cornfield, right, and that's standing out
there in his cornfield.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
Yeah, and it's pretty pretty high, pretty tall up there. Yeah,
that's kind of creepy. Yeah. What what was the story behinded?
Did he know something was there and he took a
picture or was he he?
Speaker 3 (40:28):
He, like I said, didn't get a little of information
from this guy. He sent some foot the tracks this
and said this is what's going on, and that was it.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
Yeah, and you're supposed to decipher. I know, I get
the same thing sometimes. Yeah, it's like, look at the
picture and that's the report, right, Please tell me a
little bit.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
More, okay, right right exactly?
Speaker 2 (40:55):
And then we've got this one. What are we looking
at here?
Speaker 3 (40:59):
Well, that was a whole ordeal in itself. There's a
little video that goes with us and back last spring,
we were out in an area and there was a
whole group of us, but there was like three of
us that had kind of hung back, and two of
us kept hearing something right, and we're telling the guy
(41:21):
with us, we hear something over here, and so he's thermy.
And there's this little video and this figure right here
comes up out of the creek on all fours. It
comes up and you see it stand up next to
a tree. It grabs a hold of the tree. It's
looking around the tree both sides, and we get this
(41:43):
image and he was losing his mind because we thought
we had we thought we had it right and we
get in the vehicles and we head back to camp.
We can't get back to camp fast enough and we
jump out of our v hickels. I've got my laptop,
he's got his stuff. We put it in. We're watching
(42:04):
it because I didn't get to see it until I
got back to camp, and I'm like, oh my, okay,
there we go, right, So we wouldn't We didn't release it.
We have He has a friend and that's a producer
in Hollywood, and he went through it. There was like
forty five seconds of that we and he went through
it and he found three frames where you can see
(42:26):
the ears and the snout. It was a bear. I
just kept are you sure?
Speaker 2 (42:34):
Are you sure? Yeah? Well, that's kind of disappointing, but
you know, you do have to do your due diligence
and find out what it really.
Speaker 3 (42:43):
Is exactly, because we could have put that out and
said here it is, We've got it, and somebody would
have done what we did and said, no, it's a bear.
So it's you know, we have to fact check ourselves,
you know.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
Oh yeah, yeah, you do. I mean, if you're doing
any any type of investigation, whether it's paranormal or bigfoot
or whatever. You gotta got a deep dive and debunk
everything that you possibly can, or no one will take
you seriously exactly. Know. That just proves right there that
you're serious.
Speaker 3 (43:16):
Well, and that's yeah, you have to, And I mean
I I try to any reports I get, because back
in September, I got a report of a gentleman shooting
a bigfoot and it took me forever to get him
on the phone, and we even set up to go
meet him and he didn't show up. You know, I mean,
(43:36):
listening to him on the phone, it was a really
good story and I really wanted to get in there
and see what was going on, but he blew us off.
You know, get a text or two days a few
days later, Oh I had COVID, you know kind of thing.
But if I hadn't went and checked, it would have
turned out to have been something. So you have to
(43:56):
check them all, whether whether you you know.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
Yeah, you just do.
Speaker 3 (44:00):
That's just part of it.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
Carl wants to know, do you do investigations year round
or just in conjunction with the conference.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
Well, I don't like to be out there when it's
really cold or really hot, so we do a lot
of ours in the spring and fall. Like this year,
I have gotten permission to go into Oklahoma and Arkansas
with the BFRO, So we're doing a Missouri expedition in
the spring, which is in April, and then we're going
(44:30):
to Oklahoma in May. We're not going to be doing
anything too much during the summer, and then in September
we're going to probably be going into Arkansas, and then
in October. The first weekend in October is going to
be the conference and my personal expedition, and then there'll
be another expedition probably the end of October for Missouri.
(44:55):
So okay, we're trying to do these more and more
and more, but it seems to be that the spring
in the fall is when they're most active, so that's
when we try to go out.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
Okay, And then here's the graphic from your conference from
this year, which I attended and was very good, by
the way, thank you. This was an excellent lineup of
experts that wow they had They showed some amazing photographic
evidence and video and so what have you got planned
(45:35):
for this year?
Speaker 3 (45:36):
Well, we're going back to the same place we were at.
I was able to acquire that again, so we're going
to go back there. A couple, well, probably three of
the gentlemen that were there last year will be back
this year. Wayne Throws he spoke at the camp out
and not at the conference, and this year I think
(45:58):
he's going to speak at the conference. And Shane Carpenter
is always there. He has a documentary out called Into
the four hundred, and he and I kind of got
together a few years ago when I did the first
one and we hit it off. We've become really good
buddies and he helps me out a lot. We do
(46:19):
things together, we go out, check things out. I'm always
sending him stuff, what do you think about this? Have
you heard of this? You know, different things like that.
So we kind of try to work together a little bit.
And he's just he's going to be a regular there
as long as he wants to be a regular because
he is working on another documentary and he has a
film crew following him around and they have been at
(46:42):
our conference all three years. So when that comes out,
we're going to be on a documentary.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
Oh awesome.
Speaker 3 (46:50):
Yeah, yeah, but I haven't done a whole lot with
it yet. You know, probably first of the year is
when we'll start announcing some more stuff. I mean, we
have the date, that type of thing. It's October the fourth,
It's a Saturday, okay, and that'll be the day of
the conference. We may be doing like a VIP night
(47:13):
this time, and then we'll definitely have our camp out,
which always happens immediately after the conference and through usually Wednesday.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
Okay, So you've just head out right right after the
conference for the camp out.
Speaker 3 (47:27):
Yeah, we tell everybody. My husband usually goes out and
sets up, you know, him and the cook ladies go out,
set stuff up, and we have it. We have ours
set up, and we try to get out there and
everybody kind of gets their stuff thrown together and we
feed them. And the first night is just kind of
a everybody sits down and relaxes and just gets to
know each other type deal. You know. We don't really
(47:50):
try to do anything that first night other than just
visit with each other. And then after that we get
out and start to do things the next few days.
Speaker 2 (48:00):
So, if somebody's interested in the conference or any of
your expeditions or the one right after this next conference,
how do they get in touch with you or register.
Speaker 3 (48:12):
If it's anything to do with the conference. It's we
have a Facebook page and it's Ozark Mountain Bigfoot and
Bigfoot Conference, and you can reach out to me on
that page and I can answer any of your questions,
help you with anything. We can do that. If you're
interested in any of the BFRO expeditions, you have to
(48:33):
go on to bfro dot net and the expeditions for
the states are on there. I don't believe the Arkansas
one is up yet. I have to give them the
dates for that and then that one will be up.
But the definitely the Spring Missouri expedition is up and
the Spring Oklahoma expedition is up.
Speaker 2 (48:55):
Okay, got another question in chat. We've got a few
more minutes. Have any of your members had psychic encounters
with Bigfoot?
Speaker 3 (49:06):
I have a couple of people that say that they
have experienced mind speak, and you know, that's one of
those things that's you know, some people are very open
to that, and then there are people are like, no, no,
that doesn't happen, you know, But I mean I do
know people that have said they've had that happen.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
So yeah, yeah, we can talk about that later. I've
had a few experiences myself, right, and that's that's one
of the main reasons I'm interested in in the subject.
I mean, I always believed that there was something from
the time I was a kid. I was interested in it,
(49:51):
but I kind of went down a different path doing
paranormal investigations, in UFO investigations, and then I happen to
right into a situation where some people were trying to
figure out they were doing a sasquatch investigation where their
son had seen one, and then UFO showed up. So
(50:12):
you know, I made I thought, Okay, there's a connection here.
I've got to dig into this further.
Speaker 3 (50:17):
But yeah, I haven't really had too much of the UFO,
but we've had orbs happen when we're out now, not
necessarily like oh I saw Bigfoot and then I saw
an ORB. No, we were out on a Bigfoot expedition
and have had orbs. I've had that happen at least
two different times, three two or three different times, completely
(50:41):
different locations. You know, we've had that kind of stuff happen.
Speaker 2 (50:47):
That's something that's fascinating to me. I've taken so many
reports of orbs balls of light, and they seem to
be in most cases and you can tell me if
this happened to you or if this is what witnessed.
They're luminous, but they don't shine a light, correct, like
self luminous. Is that what you experienced?
Speaker 3 (51:07):
Yes? Yeah, Because the first time that they happened, when
we were out bigfooting, we you know, had walked off
trail again and sat down in the woods and my
husband and I are kind of off to ourselves, and
they popped up at my feet. There were like three
of them, three or four, about the size of a
(51:27):
ping pong ball, right, and they're milling around at my
feet because I'm sitting down. He's standing next to me
and he's looking at me like, oh my god, and
I'm just kind of giggling at him. I'm like, yeah,
you're seeing them. And they were they were like pastel right,
and they were you know, they're just little lights just
(51:50):
just right there, really close to the ground. And as
quick as they were there, they were gone, you know.
And then there was another time we were actually in
Kentucky on an expedition and we were down the path
from a private family cemetery and we had split into
(52:12):
two groups. Both of the groups were finally at the
end we were sitting there discussing walking back, and we
see this light coming down the path and we're like, oh,
my gosh, somebody must be coming. Something must have happened,
somebody's coming to get us, because it looked like somebody's headlamp.
It's bobbing and moving and you can see it, and
(52:33):
there was a nice dip before you came up and
got to where we were at, and it went in
the dip and we never saw it again. We even
went and looked for it because we all saw it,
all of us, and we were like, where did that go?
I don't know. And the night that we were sitting
(52:54):
on the river bank, there were lights in the trees
up on the cliffs above us and they were milling
around and like you said, they're light, but they don't
put out light.
Speaker 2 (53:06):
Yeah, yeah, it's bizarre. I've seen them many times myself.
I don't have any explanation for that. That's probably one
of the weirdest things in existence. So one last question.
Have you tried leaving food out for Bigfoot or or
in fact gifting is what it's called gifting?
Speaker 1 (53:25):
Right?
Speaker 3 (53:26):
I do not like to leave food out because there
are too many accounts of aggressive behavior or poor behavior
when you stop doing that. If you're going to leave
things out, you should leave shiny things, little toys, things
like that, because it's kind of like any other wildlife.
(53:49):
You shouldn't be feeding it, not on a regular basis.
And had I've just heard too many people talk about
they feed, feed, feed, and then when they stop, they
go back into that area and the areas torn apart.
They go back in and they're not met with friendly
you know, like before. So I really kind of discourage
(54:12):
the feeding aspect of it. If you want to give
that's fine, but go to the dollar store and buy
bright little toys or leave rocks or marbles or things
like that, because that's you're not feeding it and you
don't cause a problem that way.
Speaker 2 (54:30):
That is super good advice. And yeah, we are unfortunately
out of time for today. I could talk to you
for another four hours easily, But thank you so much, Marrianne.
It's been great, Thank you, and you're really truly an
expert on the subject, and I've enjoyed having you this
evening so well.
Speaker 3 (54:50):
Appreciate that. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (54:52):
Oh yeah, I'm looking forward to the conference next year
and I know it'll be just as good as it
was this year, or if not better.
Speaker 3 (55:00):
Oh, I hope it's better.
Speaker 2 (55:02):
Looking forward to that. Thank you so much, Mary, thank you. Okay,
wow Bigfoot. Yes, this is a subject I don't talk
about enough on this program. So I'll try to get
better and do more of that because it certainly is
something that I'm very very interested in myself. And Wow,
(55:24):
we are going to Unfortunately that's the end of the show.
So I'll here. I'll see you here again next Friday.
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