June 17, 2025 • 60 mins
Margie Interviews researcher and author Preston Dennett about some very strange encounters people have had with extraterrestrials, and the strange phenomena of levitation and the possible connection to extraterrestrial contact. Don't miss this one! Preston Dennett began investigating UFOs and the paranormal in 1986 when he discovered that his family, friends, and co-workers were having dramatic unexplained encounters. Since then, he has interviewed hundreds of witnesses and investigated a wide variety of paranormal phenomena. He is a field investigator for the Mutual UFO Network (MUFON), a ghost hunter, a paranormal researcher, and the author of more than 30 books and more than 100 articles on UFOs and the paranormal. Several of his books have been Amazon UFO bestsellers. His articles have appeared in numerous magazines including Fate, Atlantis Rising, MUFON UFO Journal, Nexus, Paranormal Magazine, UFO Magazine, Phenomena Magazine, Mysteries Magazine, Ufologist and others. His writing has been translated into several different languages including German, French, Portuguese, Russian, and Icelandic. He has appeared on numerous radio and television programs, including Midnight in the Desert with Art Bell, Coast-to-Coast and also the History Channel’s Deep Sea UFOs and UFO Hunters and Ancient Aliens. His research has been presented in the LA Times, the LA Daily News, the Dallas Morning News and other newspapers. He has taught classes on various paranormal subjects and lectures across the United States. He currently resides in an unknown forested location on planet Earth. www.prestondennett.weebly.com
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Speaker 1 (00:15):
It's time for the Unexed News New extraterrestrials, time anomalies,
dimension dimensions, remote viewing, UFOs, UAPs and USO's, ghostly encounters, abductions,
Bigfoot and more more. Your end of the week news
(00:38):
source for everything everything unexplained. Here is your host for
the unex News podcast, Margie K.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Good evening, everyone, and welcome to unex News. I'm your host,
Margie K. And this evening, I have a good friend
of mine and a wonderful writer and researcher. You're going
to know this guy, Preston Dennett. He began investigating UFOs
and the paranormal in nineteen eighty six when he discovered
(01:22):
that his family, friends, and co workers were having dramatic
unexplained encounters. Since then, he's interviewed hundreds of witnesses and
investigated a wide variety of paranormal phenomena. He's a field
investigator for the Mutual UFO Network, otherwise known as Moufon.
He's a ghost hunter, a paranormal researcher, and the author
of more than thirty books and more than one hundred
(01:44):
articles on UFOs and the paranormal. Several of his books
have been Amazon bestsellers. Welcome to the program, Past Preston.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Thanks very much, Margie, thanks for having me on. I
appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Well, it's good to see you again. It's it's been
a while since I had you on the show, and
I know you've got a lot going on and with
thirty books under your belt. Oh my gosh, is that
your full time job?
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Now?
Speaker 3 (02:13):
I'm kind of you know, I did work for thirty
five years and then went part time, so I basically
was doing this on weekends and at night. But now yeah,
I am doing this pretty much full time, along with
no YouTube and podcasting and writing books and articles and
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of course trying to just maintain the house.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Right exactly. And that's a that's a job in itself.
So let's go back in time a little bit. You
said nineteen eighty six is when you discovered that your
family and friends around you were having unexplained encounters. Tell
us a little bit about that.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Yeah, I can't believe it's almost forty years ago. Amazing
to me. I came into this field as a complete skeptic,
and I honestly thought everyone in my family was skeptical
of this. I have five brothers and sisters, so a
pretty big family, and nobody really talked about this. That
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all changed. Well, actually, I shouldn't go back a little bit.
I was probably thirteen years old when my older brother Mark,
who was probably eighteen at that time, came running into
the house one evening I letn't say nineteen seventy eight ish,
and Josh was out of his mind. He said he'd
seen a UFO. I didn't believe in then. I knew
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how far away the stars are. I was very scientifically
minded and kind of a materialized. I just didn't want
to hear it. I did not believe him, so I
ignored him, much to my peril, because it was nineteen
eighty six, November seventeen. I'll never forget this date. When
the news came on that night and we're all watching it,
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you know, much of the family, and I think it
was Tom brocar Dan rather one of these big news
guys starts talking about and I'm sure you've heard of
this case, Margie, the j A L Airlines Captain Kenju
Tarocchi over Earth. Oh yeah, an amazing case. Of course.
They just joked about it on the news. They did
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not mention it was on radar They did not mention
that this plane was, you know, basically paced for what
it's an hour maybe about that for a long time,
that there was a course change, and I mean it
was an amazing case. But no, they just kind of
joked about it, but did show his picture. I remember
seeing captain, you know, Kenju Tarocchi, that poor guy. You know,
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he's out of his mind. He must have had highway hypnosis.
I don't think he's lying, but there's UFOs aren't real,
so you must have misperceived. So I'm going through all
the in my head. But I'm like, I bet he's
going to lose his job over this, because what kind
of a pilot would report a UFO. I was right
about that he was rounded for a while at least.
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But that's what really got me to ask my brother
Mark again, what he's I'll put that what he thought
he saw, right, which is you know how skeptics work, like,
oh yeah, I believe you think you saw something, but
you know what do you think you saw? No, he
saw something, and it was a classic flying saucer. In short,
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he was with his two friends Phil and Greg in Mesita, California,
and parked the car on the hillside, and right in
front of them, at eye level, maybe one hundred feet away,
was this disk with colored lights, a dome on top, silent, wavering,
slightly describing all the details that I now know are
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legit sightings. And they chased it in their car, stop
and wait for them. They get real close to it
and would dart ahead. They passed other cars chasing it.
That's when it Yeah, at tree top level, this thing
was low. I'm like, Mark, you're crazy. What are you
talking about? This is Kent what he's like, Listen, this
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is what happened. And if you don't believe me, go
ahead ask Phil, ask Greg his friends who I knew,
of course, and I did, and that was the beginning
of all the dominoes falling for me, my whole belief
system collapsing. So I found out that a lot of
people I knew had had encounters like this, people in
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the family, friends, coworkers. This includes not just sightings, but
missing time landings, face to face sightings with humanoids. I mean,
my sister, oh my gosh, she finally sat down with
me one day and she's like, Okay, I'll tell you
I don't talk about this. I'm like, I was so mad.
Margie like, how can you guys have kept secret for me?
Speaker 4 (07:01):
Right?
Speaker 3 (07:02):
And they're likely you wouldn't have believed me, would you.
I'm like, well, probably not, so I had to forgive them.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
So what did your sister in law see?
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Oh, it's amazing. This was late nineteen seventies. She had
just had a major UFO siding not far from her
house in Van Knives. I think it was just a
couple of months later. Again, late nineteen seventies. She's in
college and decides to take a late night walk. No,
Van Nys is a pretty densely populated place, and took
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a walk from her home and Van Nys with her
dog Sarah. She wanted to collect an abandoned shopping cart
that she saw out side of the road, so she
walked the three blocks and was taking the shopping cart back,
walking right in front of Stag Street Elementary School, a
little school. There's a courtyard with a floodlight right in
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front of the school, and she's walking right in front
of the school when she sees what she thinks are
two children right under the the floodlight there. She's like, well,
that's odd, you know, it's almost midnight. What are children
doing out? And she's looking at them. She's like, oh
my gosh. You know, they look bald, and they're wearing
green jumpsuits. This is really weird. She's thinking, it's not Halloween,
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this was summer. So she gets right up to them,
about ten feet away. She says they were face to face,
almost kissing, and then turned almost floating, it seemed, and
looked at her, and she said it was the biggest
shock of her life. She said it looked like they
were floating an inch or two off the ground. She's
not sure about that, just judging by the way they turned.
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Mind you, she's got a pretty much idetic memory and
a real eye for detail. I had her drawing for me.
But any rate, she described the typical grays, all the
green jumpsuits, mandarin collars, white white skin, huge dark eyes,
almost no nose, her mouth and so forth.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Uh huh.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Her dog, her dog didn't react at all. Really, she gulped.
You know, she didn't want to run because she didn't
want a panic. Got no messages, nothing like that, but yeah,
finally just walked past them. They're looking at her, and
she's looking at them as she goes by, and ditches
the shopping cart and walks fast as she can without
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running straight home, didn't look back. That was when she
told me that that was it. I mean, all that's
were off. I knew she wasn't lying. There's no way
she could be misperceiving. So that's when I started buying
all the books I could. I joined muff On, became
a field investigator and started writing articles eventually and interviewing
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people formally, and just dove deep for ten years, writing
articles and occasionally going on radio and TV pretty early on,
but put on my first book in nineteen ninety six,
UFO Healings, and after that, you know, one book a
year on the average. There were dry spells, certainly in
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some very active times as well, but yeah, I don't know.
This took over my life pretty quickly.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Have you ever run into a case or any cases
that involved levitation?
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Oh? Absolutely, yeah. And I'm going to differentiate this a
little bit because there are people who find themselves floating
up and out of their house through the roof and
then into a UFO. But I started running into another
kind of levitation, which is just kind of spontaneous human levitation,
not the ets involved here. I remember first reading about
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that with Whitley Strieber. He's like, I just spontaneously levitated.
And I had a family friend who has had some
contact and she swears up and down. Mary frank is
her name. That is a little girl she levitated. She
was in the doctor's office with her family, her parents,
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and ran down the corridor, turned the corner. No one
could could see her. This was an empty corridor, and
suddenly she's flying down the corridor, turns the next corner,
goes all the way down to the end, and lands
softly on her feet. And of course she's six five
six years old, goes running back, my mom my, dad,
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I flew. I'm like, sure you did, honey, Uh huh.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
That's very unusual, I mean, and without having any intention
to do that. I mean, I do know some people
who practice yoga and other things that you know, as
adults learn how to levitate, and it takes quite a while.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
But that's spontaneous, Yeah, in quite a few cases involving children.
So when she told me that, you know, it wasn't long.
It was around that time I was going to college
and I had read about Saint Joseph of Coupertino, who
was very famous across Europe. Yes this is in the
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Middle Ages, I will say that, yeah, But he became
known as the Flying Friar of Europe and would attract
crowds of thousands of people as more than one hundred
very well documented recorded levitations, and just probably the most
famous case in all human history, one of the top
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five or ten certainly, and had heard of Saint Teresa
of Avila, also a very well known levitator from Spain.
Saint Joseph is from Italy, And that's what started to
getting interested in this subject. So I interviewed Mary and
started asking everyone else I knew, have you levitated? And
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most looked at me like I was absolutely out of
my mind. Crazy. People were much more inclined to believe
in UFOs or ghosts or like after death or anything,
but this, They're like, what are you talking about? But
I finally found someone else, a friend of a friend
who said that she was running down the stairs one
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day and floated all the way down and was able
to float down several times and float up a couple
of times.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
And do you have any theories as to what the
cause of this is?
Speaker 3 (13:36):
I do, because I began to really study it. I
mean I collected every account I could. There weren't a
whole lot of books on this subject, so it was
a long, long research project. But it became pretty clear
as I collected accounts that it's connected to astral projection
in some way out of body experiences, because certainly Teresa
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of Avila talked about having all kinds of astral projection
experiences before her levitation started occurring. But really what kind
of clinched it for me was Robert Monroe. If you
don't know who Robert Monroe is, he's the out of
body guy who really popularized it in Western culture with
his book Journeys Out of the Body and Fire Journeys
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and the Ultimate Journey. And I read his book. He
actually taught me. I've learned how to affra project from
his book and got really good at it. Still have
a lot of OBEs. But he describes a couple of incidents.
One he was walking down his steps and he stepped
on his shoelace which was untied, and pitched forward headfirst
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down these stone steps, thinking for sure he's going to
crack his head open. This is bad, but done floated
slowly down like a feather, like a leaf and said
it absolutely astonished him, and you thought it had something
to do with his OBEs, and I do too. He
had the same thing happened again, only this time he
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slipped on the icy steps and pitched backwards and was
going to fall down and crack the back of his
head again floated down. But I found this case involving
a gentleman from Japan who's still alive, and he teaches
all of this stuff how to become spiritually enlightened, and
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he has had many instances of levitation and actually allowed
himself to be photographed. It's very well documented. I can
send you a photograph that he's got like seven or
ten photographs, because I'm not doing it anymore. I'm not
a trained monkey. You've got the evidence. But he says
it's absolutely connected to autobioty experiences in that how he
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does it is he vacates his body to a certain
point up ahead and really concentrates on it, and the
physical body follows up.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
That makes sense, That does make sense. And yeah, well
I had an incident happen where I may have floated,
But I've done a lot of astral travel since I
was fifteen years old. Nice reading Monroe's books.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
And then I switched to using my theory body to
send my consciousness out to do remote viewing. But I
had a strange incident happened about three years ago where
I was walking down the stairs and I suddenly had
severe vertigo. It was like a week after I had
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recovered from COVID, and so I had long COVID and
the result was vertigo. But it came on suddenly and
I did not know where I was. I couldn't feel
the steps, I couldn't feel the railing I was had
been on, and all of a sudden, the ceiling is
very close to me. I was just I was looking
up like I was lying flat vertical looking at the ceiling.
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Next thing I know, I'm I fall on the floor.
But I only hurt my hip and back. I didn't
hit my head or anything. So the you know, we've
gone over this and over this, my husband and I.
How in the world did I survive that? How did
I not pitch forward and hit the wall in front
of me because it was a wall, and then landing
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and break my neck. That didn't happen, but I was.
I was in the air. I was airborne because I
couldn't feel anything.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
I broke the types of levitation down into seven major types,
and I would call that one a crisis levitation. Okay,
there's quite a few cases of people, you know, slipping
or falling or getting stuck on a cliff or a
tree or what have you, and they somehow float down
instead of go bam hitting the ground. But you know, yeah,
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one is running levitation. Now that lady I interviewed, who
had you know, levitation episodes going up and down the
stairs as a child, She says, I don't know if
this is connected, but as a kid, you know, at
that time, I could run faster than anyone in the neighborhood,
twice as fast, you know, even more faster than the boys.
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She said, it almost felt like I was just touching
the tip the sidewalk with the tips of my feet.
I would get to this point where I could almost
fly while I'm running and absolutely rang a bell. Because
there's this thing called, well in the United States, among
the Native Americans, it's called Indian running, where they would
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train people specifically to do this and they could cover
vast distances using this paranormal running technique and into bet.
They have this into a science. It's called the long
um pa, and they have this whole technique that they do,
breathing techniques and meditation where they can absolutely cover long distances.
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It's it's an ability that they actually foster or culture
within themselves. This is this is a number of different cultures.
I call this running levitation.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
I've never heard of that. That's fascinating, amazing, right, yeah, yeah,
I written about it.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Yeah. I put together a book called human Levitation, which
was inspired by all these cases I was collecting. Like
one lady I interviewed from Colorado. I asked her and
she's like, oh, yeah, I was meditating once just like
I always do, open my eyes and I realized I
was three or four inches above her pillow there, and
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she just went PLoP right down soft. No one believes me.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
I'm like, I believe you, yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Absolutely, but yeah. I found seven different types and I
found some three hundred and fifty cases all over the world,
reaching back let's see almost two thousand, four thousand years
really depending on if you believe. Some of these really
early cases, but over half are from saints, you know, nuns, monks,
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holy people in all cultures and there's this state of
mind they get it into called ecstasy where they're just praying, praying,
and then suddenly they're in kind of this nirvana type state.
And this is when they levitate. It's spontaneous, it's not
something they're deliberately cultivating. It just happens. And I call
that ecstatic levitation. And then of course there's meditative, which
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is definitely something that they're sort of culture, you know,
learn how to do. This is meditation or I'd say
levitation is far more understood I think by the Eastern cultures. Yeah,
and who really know how to do it and have
breathing techniques and they it's not a specific goal necessarily.
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In fact, in some teachings it's actually an obstacle. It's considered,
you know, these psychic abilities will manifest on your pathway
towards spiritual enlightenment, but they're not to be the goal
because they can be distracted. But at anyway, so yeah,
we're not supposed to aim for that, but it's a
good sign you're on the right path. So that's meditative levitation.
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So it appears to be something that's internally generated that
anybody can do. But there's another type of levitation, and
I'm not sure there's any real qualitative difference here, which
I call mediumistic levitation, because you see this with physical mediums.
Daniel Douglas Home it was a very famous medium in
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the United States from late eighteen hundreds early nineteen hundreds,
probably the most famous levitator in the world, very well documented,
studied by scientists, and he would levitate while holding sciances.
Wasn't aware of it the first time He's doing a
little scance circle and the lady next one was like, why,
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mister Holme, are you aware that you're levitating off of
your seat? And he looked at He's like, oh my gosh.
He was not aware of it, Oh why, but ended
up doing it hundreds of times in front of scientists.
I mean, levitation is very well documented, and there's case
after case where people are in a haunted house, perhaps
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you know, a poltergeist type situation where they're lifted up,
maybe even thrown across the room. Sometimes they feel like
spirits are doing this, so I think that possibly that's
what's going on. But yeah, crisis levitation which occurs during
falls or fevers even or any kind of illness, food poisoning,
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you name it. There's a bunch of cases of that.
There's also this is so interesting, sleeping levitation. Now, this
is when a person is in bed and they're asleep,
but the person next time wakes up or walks in
and they're floating above their darn bed.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Yes. Yes, I've had a couple of cases where I
was interviewing witnesses about their paranormal activity in their house
and that has happened to them. The person involved did
not know that they were levitating, but there was a witness.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Yeah. Can you imagine?
Speaker 5 (23:47):
No, are that really provides a clue as to I
think the mechanics behind all this, because when we're sleeping,
we're actual traveling.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Even if you don't remember, we're all doing it every
night for the most part at some point, and I
think that's what's happening. Is people are out of their
body and the body is being drawn the physical body
is being drawn upwards. And of course then there's this
spontaneous cases which have no apparent cause, but often to children.
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I call it the floating stage because I've got a dozen,
well twenty now cases of kids who just spontaneously levitated,
and occasionally adults. But it's weird, there's bleed through. There's
a guy in Russia, a farmer. He gained fame throughout
his community and beyond for his ability to levitate like
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four feet off the ground. And asked, how do you
do this? He says, I just use willpower. I just
think so. I don't know if what you category you
would put that under. It's not spontaneous meditative, I guess.
But he says, he's just a farmer, you know, he's not.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Fully awake, functioning, and he just thinks I want to
love tatany does it?
Speaker 4 (25:05):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
There was another lady who worked at a little fair,
you know, with the street fairs, and she had this
little booth that where she could prove that she would
reduce her weight by half. She was like one hundred
and forty pounds or one hundred and thirty and anyone
could lift her. And the guy she happened to have,
a paranormal guy come up and see this, Joseph Weed.
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He's a pretty famous paranormal researcher and wrote some books
on the subject and met this lady and did the
whole thing, lifted her up. He was astonished. She asked her, well,
how do you do that. She said, I don't know.
I can't tell you how I do it. I just
she tapped her chest. I feel light in here. I
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just feel light in here and my weight reduces. And
she's like, just so you know, my father could do
it too. So there's some evidence that this is genetic.
Really yeah, the Royal Family of Hungary. It has like
five levitators in it.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
So, oh my, well, I guess.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Some you know, because there's a number of cases, So
I think there's that's a factor. It's not hard and fast.
There was another guy, Captain Bartlett, who was just a
military guy who lined himself up in front of twenty
other scientists and was able to reduce his weight by
thirty percent or so. Another really really well verified case.
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People have no idea how well this has been verified, photographed,
done in a laboratory setting numerous times. It's ability. I
am absolutely convinced we all have. I sure I've met
meditated and tried, but the closest to every got I
was lying in bed because I'm like, you know, all
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the people are doing it, maybe I could. I've been
doing out of obs and I was lying in bed
and doing the meditation. I'm like, well, okay, this, I've
done this several times, like it's not working. So I
opened my eyes, my arms were straight up. I had
no idea.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Oh oh, so you didn't feel your your arms were levitating.
In other words, and you didn't.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
Know it, right, I mean it's you got you got.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Part part way there, go for the legs next.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
I think it takes you know, some time. You know,
look how long it takes to become a doctor, right,
seven years of daily training. I think it's kind of
a skill like that that really takes a lot of focus. Well, yeah,
learning after projection was like that for me. I meditated
for every day an hour or two for two months
about before I had my first obe, which is really
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not that long when you think about it. But no,
it worked for me. I think levitation is somewhat if
you were to take the time and effort to do it,
because I've heard from several of these quote schools of
thought that it is one of the more easy psychic
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skills to learn.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Oh really, that's kind of amazing if it's one of
the easier ones. All right, Well we're going to take
a short break, and when we come back, we'll talk
more with Preston Dennett.
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And we're back with Unexed News. I'm your host, Margie
Kay and this evening we're speaking with Preston Dentnet, the
prolific writer, Preston Dentnet and researcher. And what are you
doing with MOFON these days? Are you busy with UFOE investigations?
Speaker 3 (30:51):
I work mostly independently. I still support MOFON. I'm a member,
I get their journal, I speak at many of their
local chapters and occasionally for you know, the national but
I don't work directly with them in terms of investigating cases. Oh.
I do for about three four years, but ultimately I
(31:12):
kind of wanted the freedom to work with my you know,
directly with the witnesses and not be because there's some
constraints involved when you're working with an organization of any kind.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Yeah, there are rules, rules that we have to follow.
So I have to ask you, what is the strangest
UFO investigation you've ever done?
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Oh, Margie, that is such a hard question. There's some, really,
there are some cases that absolutely stand out and say
one of the weirdest was this lady I was interviewing,
Shirley Jones is her name. She's now deceased for some years,
(32:01):
and she was had lifetime of contact which was very
kind of peripheral in terms of what she remembered, like
seeing little figures in her room as a child, waking
up with her different clothes or clothes on inside out,
and twigs and leaves in her bed. She did wake
up once outside her home, running through the field and
(32:22):
there's this little craft chasing after her. She's terrified, fully awake,
and it sends down this beam of light. It strikes
her and instantly her fear completely leaves her. She's unable
to move. She's being pulled up into this craft and
she blacks out and wakes up the next morning. So
these kinds of things is what she was describing. But
(32:44):
then she blew me out of the water. She told
me about an experience she had as a young woman
in the watch Hung Mountains of New Jersey. This was
some time ago, I think late sixties, early sent I'd
have to look it up. But at any rate, she
was riding a motorcycle. She's an amazing way. This was
at a time when most women were riding motorcycles. But she,
(33:06):
let's see, she was a real estate broker and became
a psychiatrist licensed, a really credible witness. At any rate,
she had an accident on this remote mountain road very
late at night, where her bike slid off the road
and got all banged up. She luckily was fine, little cut,
(33:27):
some bruises and such, but nothing major. But the bike
was not total. But it had the old kickstarter. It
wasn't an ignition you had to kickstart these bikes. The
kickstarter was all bent out of shape and she could
not start the bike. It's a cold night, you know,
this is no cars are going to drive bash. So
(33:48):
she's stranded. She's like, I don't know what I'm going
to do. And this is when she says, my friends
showed up with your friends. She's like, well yeah, and
she said she described what we would probably call hybrids
because she looked largely human. It said. They had very
pale skin, were five and a half feet tall, very large,
(34:11):
all black eyes. She is I'm not sure whether they
were not wearing clothes or had very tight jumpsuits. After
speaking with her, I'm pretty sure they had jumpsuits on.
At any rate. There were two of them, and they
just appeared. She turned around and they were there right
next to her bike, five or ten feet away from her,
(34:32):
and she said it was quite scary, even though she
they didn't do anything, never spoke to her, but one
of them told her to like that, stepped back, and
she did, and the other one lifted up the bike,
bent down and started to straighten the kickstarter with its hands. WHOA,
(34:54):
Now this is weird. Took them just a few not
even in it, thirty seconds or so, and set the
bike up on its kickstand and stepped back and motioned
for her to get on. And she's like, okay, gets
on the bike, kickstarts it, the engine thrums to life.
(35:16):
She looks at them, takes off. Never saw UFO. She's
just pressing now. I regret not staying a little longer,
but at the time I was really scared, she said.
My heart was just thumping.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Oh my goodness, so weird.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
But there's a number of cases that are just defferent.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Well, that in itself shows that they were watching her.
You're keeping an eye on her in some fashion, and
they know what's going on. So if she's in trouble,
they go to help. I mean, what does that say.
Obviously they're not evils. They weren't there to hurt her,
(36:02):
but they were there to help.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
Yeah. I can say the vast majority of cases, people
will have some fear, But I don't have any cases
of ET's act sidistically towards people. Quite the opposite. They rescued.
Like Dolly Saffron I wrote a whole book about her.
She had an incident where she became lost on a
stormy night while driving. Didn't know she was heading in
the wrong direction. That's when her craft showed up in
(36:27):
front of her. Her friend's like, oh my god, what's that.
She's like, well, I'm telling you, I'm a contact. That's
the ship. It's like, you're kidding, And it basically told
her you're going the wrong direction. Turn around, turn around,
turn around, and she did and it led her to
the main highway. She's had a number of experiences like that.
Oh so yeah, I mean I've got a bunch of
(36:48):
those kind of quote rescues or where they just assist
you in some way.
Speaker 4 (36:53):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
Do do you have any cases where a person is well,
we know of a lot of cases where the ets
seem to come at night when you're asleep. But are
there cases where they regularly visit while you're while a
person is awake, just going about their daily routine at
(37:17):
work or working in their kitchen or something like that
where they get visited while they're awake.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
Certainly that does happen. I'm trying to think. I mean,
Dolly Saffron I wrote a whole book about her, She's
got a list of those kinds of cases. But she's
an unusual person and that she has overcome her fear
of contact. She's been taken at school, from work. Trying
to think of other cases, I'm sure I have them,
(37:50):
But yeah, they do seem to come at night a lot.
Most commonplace a person will see an ET is actually
in their bedroom, which sounds crazy, but when you think
about you know, if you start analyzing the cases, you'll
see this is often where people are basically taken from
and into a craft. M h, I'm gonna have to
think about that. That's a good no. One's god rest before.
(38:11):
That's a good question. I'm sure I have cases. Gosh.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
And have you been on a case that you're investigating
and an et or even a ghost shows up to you?
Speaker 3 (38:25):
Oh? Yeah, absolutely?
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Oh due, tell you know.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
I did a whole couple of years of pretty intense
ghost research because, as you know, this subject is peripherally
or at least in some way connected to all the
All of these paranormal subjects are have some bleed throughs
and connections. And I was at a haunted house where
the child was having a lot of Poultergeist activity, and
(38:53):
I was in the living room. This is the kitchen
is kind of blocked off. It's not an open concept, right,
there's a peninsula, but it leads to the kitchen, which
is mostly you can't see it. And I heard you've
probably heard paranormal noises where there's these crashing sounds.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Oh yeah, yeah, and then you go in there and
there's nothing.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
Yeah, well heard it. And this is you know, twenty
feet away. And I've always heard people describe it. It's
like that's so hard for me to describe it. Sounds
like furniture moving and pots and pans and glass breaking. Well,
it was all that I could hear, even little springs going, doing, doing, doing,
glass tinkling and something. I mean, it was crazy. And
(39:34):
we looked at each other and I went running in
and I was in there within five seconds. Not a thing. No,
of course, I'm being thorough. There's a pantry. I opened
the pantry, no, which I knew it was because I
heard none of the cabinets. Nothing. And a few times
I had my hair pulled once or some somebody stuck
(39:55):
when I had hair, and once social someone stuck their
finger in my arm pick because I jumped. I'm like, whoa,
I turned around. No, nobody was there. Oh, I'd say
the best one. When I went to see a physical medium,
Donna was her name, and she could do what's called
(40:18):
table tipping. My sister in law worked with her at
an art studio, so she's like, oh, you should talk
to this idea. I love to. Let's go. And I
brought my camera and compass and oh my equipment, and
there was a group of people. She would hold sessions
(40:39):
and I can't wait till it's my turn. Because it
was a little card table, I thought, well, you know,
I could probably tilt that with my hand, and it
kind of looked like that's what they were doing. As
a researcher, you become a little bit more skeptical than
perhaps the average person because you have to be yeah,
you know what I mean. You really have to test
everything that's going on here. So I'm like it was
(41:01):
my turn, and there was four of us, runs little
card table and the medium Donna. We all put our
hands on the table and this timetable goes right up
forty five degrees. I'm like, wow, I knew instantly it
was real, just because the way it felt. But to
test it, I'm like, okay, would you guys mind if
just me and the medium did it. I'm like, okay, fine,
(41:23):
you know, I'm approaching this like a scientist or trying to.
And we put our hands on the table and it
went right up. Like, Donna, this is amazing. Would you
mind just using one hand?
Speaker 1 (41:37):
You know?
Speaker 3 (41:37):
And she's like sure, and sure if it went right up,
I'm like, okay, Donna, just touch it with one finger,
just one finger, very lightly, and she did and it
went right up. I'm like, Okay, let me just try
it alone. You know, mind, I had checked this table
for net magnets and all whatever, no evidence of any
(41:57):
trick or you're hoaxing. I put my hands on the table,
and you know, you call the spirits right, this darn
table shook, shuck, shuk, shucks shut. I couldn't get it
to go up, but it was closed. It was shaking
under my hands and nobody was touching it.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
Wow, it was crazy.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
We got that table to I tried to get it
to fully levitate. Finally, what it did is it started
walking over all the way to the stairs, which led
downwards and hung out of you know, what do you
call a ninety degree angle or horizontal right over the
downward staircase on one leg.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 3 (42:34):
Yeah, that's so.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
What do you think that was? Do you think that
was thought control or do you think it was actual
spirits that were doing it.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
I think it's probable. I don't know, you know, I
have to I don't know. I think it could be both.
I'm not so sure. I will tell you that when
a spirit would come, it would lift in a certain way,
and some are very strong and others were until I
mean there was a difference the spirits, which led me
to believe there's some spirit influence here. But the fact
(43:08):
is she's a physical medium. She's playing a role here, right,
So I don't know, I'm a little bit on the
fence with exactly how this works, but I think the
spirits are doing it because we have so many cases
of doors opening and closing. It's a big deal, of course,
when a spirit can manipulate the physical environment in any way.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (43:33):
Think there's a physical medium around in poultry geists we
all know this have a connection to often a disturbed
teenager or someone emotionally involved in some way.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
So do you think that the medium or a person
in the house is actually supplying energies so that the
spirits can use that in order to manifest.
Speaker 3 (43:56):
Possibly. Yeah. There was a gentleman I interviewed, Gosh, what
an amazing guy. He had such intense activity, Whitney. What's
his name, Whitney, right, And I interviewed his friends, Paul Delgado,
because he had witnesses. He had a really very active
haunting and when this ghost would show up, it would
(44:19):
the temperature would drop. And this is something that you know,
Eden Lorraine of course, Warren noted, in many of their cases,
I think the energy is being drawn from the environment,
so and I think in some cases, yeah, from the
medium itself for him or herself.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
That makes sense because heat his energy.
Speaker 3 (44:39):
Right, there's something going on there.
Speaker 4 (44:41):
Yeah, it was funny.
Speaker 3 (44:43):
That was such an active haunting. He's like, don't don't
mess with this ghost, you know, just leave it alone.
He learned, don't give it attention because this was not
necessarily a super friendly ghost. He was a poultergeist. And
he had friends come over and one was taunting and say, oh,
if you They ended up running out of the house
(45:05):
because this girl start banging things. And one time his
friend I started walking through the cold spots. He's like,
it's right here, you can feel it. Walk through it.
He says, oh my god, it gives me a rush.
And Whitney's like, don't do that, Please stop doing that.
And he's like, no, no, it's really cool. Try It's like,
I'm not trying that, stop it. And he learned the
(45:25):
hard way that that was not a good idea. There
was activity ramped up that night and they went to bed.
Whitney's lying in bed, Paul's sleeping on a you know,
a mat at the foot of the bed, and he's like,
I feel it again, Whitney, I feel it. It's coming
through me. All wow, this is such a rush. And
(45:46):
Whitney's like, don't do this. Stop And then suddenly he
stiffens up, starts speaking in this foreign language and snarling.
He's like full on possess.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
Right, yeah.
Speaker 3 (45:58):
Whitney rushes over to him to cannot lift him up.
He is twice his normal at least, can't move him.
And this guy reaches out and scratches his chest really bad,
and he witness. He's not a super religious guy, but
he's calling on you know, Jesus and so forth, as
people will do when they're got no other recourse in
(46:20):
any kind of emergency. And this spell breaks whatever you
want to call it, the attempted possession, and a number
of people who went to that stage where you know,
the ghosts absolutely tried to enter inside them of the spirits.
And Paul wakes up out of it, snaps out, he's crying.
(46:43):
He doesn't remember any of it, but he said it
was very painful. He suddenly felt his old body. He
couldn't breathe, he went black, He felt pain in his chest,
scared him half to death. He learned.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
He learned his lesson, Well, that will teach you. Yes,
I do not like these shows where the ghost hunters
are antagonizing the spirits. Every time I see that, I'm like,
what are you doing? You know you're just going to
bring the rafts of the spirits on. You make them
very angry, and the more angry they get, the more
(47:21):
powerful they are. I just I don't understand it.
Speaker 3 (47:25):
Yeah, you're playing with fire. Unless you're really advanced or
very experienced, I wouldn't recommend it using that. Lady Donna
eventually stopped doing table tipping because she started to have problems.
She had an unexplained fire in her kitchen. This weird
clicking noise would follow her around. Oh I did it.
(47:46):
I visited her a number of times and stopped too
because I'm driving home one day after a session and
something hit my car so hard it knocked me off
the road sum and I'm like swerving. I'm like, ohfully
regained control, But I just know that that was related
to that. My brothers like, oh, you probably just hit
(48:07):
you know, some gasoline. You can't see it. It's an
oil slick that's not what happened. You weren't there. It's
funny how skeptics will try to, you know, knock down
your story. I'm like, listen, if you were there, fine,
you can. You can have an opinion on this, but
you're not entitled to one if you weren't there. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (48:28):
Skeptics will even deny things that they're seeing with their
own two eyes. My husband saw UFO several years ago
while he was at a conference, and he called me
while he was looking at it, and then several weeks
later he's like, oh, that was probably a balloon. You know,
they tried to rationalize something that at the time it
(48:49):
sounded actually quite spectacular.
Speaker 3 (48:52):
It's amazing.
Speaker 2 (48:56):
Yeah, you've got some of your latest books. One of
them is Humanoids and High Strangeness. What is that about.
Speaker 3 (49:05):
I love doing research into people who had direct contact,
you know, seeing humanoids face to face, being taken on board,
and that's what I've concentrated most of my research on.
That book presents twenty cases of that kind. Hold on
one second, sorry about that. Yeah, that book contains about
(49:34):
twenty cases of people who had direct contact or been
taken on board. I really wanted to go the extra
mile here, because there's a lot of researchers out there
looking into this, but they have a tendency, many of them,
and I know this, that's a fact, to censor out
some of the more high strangeness aspects, anything that's paranormal
(49:55):
or spiritual, because to a certain extent, I get it,
you know, you want to prove the sub it's nuts
and bolts and that sort of thing. But I think
it's a huge mistake because, as any researcher knows, there
is a paranormal psychic aspect to a lot of these encounters.
It's very prominent. So I really wanted to embrace that
(50:17):
because it's not a one you know, it's not just
about contact. Almost without exception, someone who has direct contact
with ETS starts having astral projection, recognition, remote viewing, healing, levitation,
you know, speaking of levitation, I found about twenty cases
(50:37):
of people who had contact physically levitated afterwards. Jacques Vallet
has cases, but this case Stephen Greer said it happened
twice to him. Dolly Saffron she had many counts of levitation,
So there's a connection there. This is something that we
need to embrace rather than censor out, We're going to
(50:59):
understand what's going on here, because almost without exception, contacts
are profoundly psychic.
Speaker 2 (51:06):
M yeah, yeah, And I think it's a level of consciousness.
I think it's an awakening process and that the ET
contact somehow triggers that.
Speaker 3 (51:19):
I one hundred percent agree. There was one lady this
really brought it home for me. This lady in Mount Rainier, Washington,
had a little silver suited humanoid in her bedroom. This
is an apartment building, big bright light coming in through
her window. She's like, everyone in the whole building has
got to be seeing this. A really loud, buzzing noise,
all the details we hear about. And she woke up.
(51:41):
She was on top of her covers, you know, not underneath,
and all these details. But she wakes up. She's got
to go to work that morning. She's feeling a little floolish,
but you know, she needed to go to work, and
she worked in an office and started up her computer
and immediately it went off line. She's like, okay, these
(52:03):
things happen. Called the it guys, like, can you please
put my computer back online? I don't know what I did.
Goes to the copier turns it on. Damn knocks.
Speaker 2 (52:13):
Oh yeah, and she's.
Speaker 3 (52:15):
Like it guys, as you're done there, Sorry, I don't
know what I did. Goes to the fax machine, same thing,
of course, knocked out three machines in a row. This
is that one. Okay, Now I understand what's going on
here because I talked to another leg she said I
brought was brought back. Things started coming off the walls,
(52:36):
you know, poultrygeist activity and doors opening closing. I was
affecting the electronics. Other people said that all the light
bulbs will blow up. Something about our bioelectric field I
think is being active, or like you said, it's something
is activating these abilities. Because I think when you're with
(52:57):
the ets, they're profoundly psychic. Can levitate ta can the
walk through walls, They're telepathic. You're communicating with them telepathically.
It brings you into that natural I'm gonna call it natural,
not supernatural. It's a natural state of awareness of a
greater consciousness more. I don't know there's our vocabulary struggles
(53:23):
with this topic, but absolutely.
Speaker 2 (53:26):
Yeah, but I think you're onto something, you know, hearing
about all of these cases, and in fact, do you
think there are more et contact cases now than there
used to be, or are people just speaking up more ladder.
Speaker 3 (53:43):
I think people are just speaking up more. It's really
interesting because this used to be thought of as very rare.
But I have to tell you, right when I got
involved in this field, I heard a quote from jail
and Heinek. He said, one in forty people have been
on board. You're out of your mind, with all due
respect because he's, you know, the pioneer of this field
in some ways considered definitely the grandfather of modern ethology. Like,
(54:09):
there's no way I know forty people. I don't know
anyone who I did. Of course, we all know about
forty people. I'd say that we can love and trust.
And I found about five people who fit the bill
of I'm like, oh my gosh, this could be common.
Of course, the roper pole came out in nineteen ninety
(54:29):
one found one in fifty people show the markers of
being a contact EEE. I think it's far more common
than people realize. Yeah, but most people do not talk
about it. And I've talked to some contactees and guy
in England he's like he has full unconscious contact. These
are the people I really enjoy interviewing, like Dolly Saffron,
(54:50):
because they moved past the fear. They're not having missing time.
They're remembering everything. And He's like, I'm telling you, I
think everyone has some level of common tech most don't remember.
Speaker 2 (55:02):
Yeah, I feel the same way. I think I think
it's everyone, but they just kind of block it out.
I mean, you can you can tell a little bit
when you're interviewing let's say a family, and one person
seems to be the focus, and that person is the witness,
and that person has visitation all the time. But just
(55:26):
from the expressions on the other people's faces and their mannerisms,
I can I can tell there's more going on. There
are things that they either don't want to discuss or
they simply you know, they don't remember it, but it's
in their subconscious somewhere very deep.
Speaker 1 (55:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (55:45):
It's funny because I've worked in an office where there
was a lot of people, and people would be outwardly
skeptical and kind of roll their eyes at me and snicker,
and then later come up to my office, which I
know at some point blessed to have my own office.
The door, come in and close the door and like listen,
you know, I know, I said I didn't believe in
this stuff, but can you explain I had this experience?
(56:08):
Of course, then they start to describe, you know, absolutely encounter, right,
And I've learned, like you know, when there's a family
or a group of people, it's nice to interview them
together because you can see the interaction, but if you
take them separately, you start to get a little bit
more information. It's very interesting because they're very people are
(56:30):
so reluctant to talk. If they are not going to
be believed, they will absolutely clam up.
Speaker 2 (56:36):
Yeah, yeah, that's that's right. They don't want to be
ridiculed about it.
Speaker 3 (56:42):
That's such I blame the cover up, the folks behind it,
such a shame. They've really pulled a number over all humanity.
We would be in a different place because that cover
has been very effective. And you know, painting witnesses as liars,
(57:02):
drug addicts, idiots, folks, no more, that's breaking.
Speaker 2 (57:09):
They've done a terrible disservice to humanity, that's for sure.
What are some of your most recent books and how
can people find your books?
Speaker 3 (57:18):
And most recent books would be Humanoids and High Strangeness.
Of course, I did a whole series called Not From Here,
Volumes one through five. I thought volume five would be
the end of it, but I'm putting together volume six.
These covered more, Yeah, the more unusual aspects of contact,
weird patterns like UFOs over graveyards or UFOs over prisons,
(57:41):
or ET phone calls telling you what happens. But Hopkins
has a case ready Fowler, and this is the thing.
I got my first case. No, what's ever gonna believe this?
I look into but weird cases. That's what that whole
series is about. Symmetry, a true UFO adventure. It's another
recent one. I'm working on a sequel to that right now.
(58:04):
I love that one. But yeah, I've got thirty of them,
well thirty two working on you know, three or four more,
and you can find them on Amazon, Barnes and Noble.
I have a website, Preston Donnet dot weevely dot com.
I saw it, you just flashed across the screen. Thank you. Huh. Yeah.
I've got a YouTube channel. I'm all over social media,
(58:25):
so pretty easy.
Speaker 2 (58:26):
Okay, Preston is out there. You can't miss him. Just
go to Google and type in Preston Dennit or if
you don't like Google, go to Duck Duck go and
they don't trace what you're doing. So apparently that's my
new one. Yeah, you never know. Thank you so much
for spending some time with me this evening, Preston. We're
(58:48):
going to have to do this more often than once
every year or two. And I know you're a busy guy.
Thank you so much for coming on the show.
Speaker 3 (58:58):
A pleasure and an honor.
Speaker 2 (58:59):
Thanks margin all right, I will see you guys. Oh gosh,
we've got a bunch of conferences coming up, so take
a look at unex network dot com on our conference
page and take a look at what's going on. We're
really We've got our conference connection page up. If you
have a conference coming up, make sure you'd let us
(59:20):
know about it so we can get it on. And
we're also hosting and sponsoring several conferences this year, and
you'll find some discounts with some of them, so do
check that out. And for now, I'm Margie K signing off.
See you here again next week.
Speaker 5 (01:00:01):
Ye
It's time for the Unexed News New extraterrestrials, time anomalies,
dimension dimensions, remote viewing, UFOs, UAPs and USO's, ghostly encounters, abductions,
Bigfoot and more more. Your end of the week news
(00:38):
source for everything everything unexplained. Here is your host for
the unex News podcast, Margie K.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Good evening, everyone, and welcome to unex News. I'm your host,
Margie K. And this evening, I have a good friend
of mine and a wonderful writer and researcher. You're going
to know this guy, Preston Dennett. He began investigating UFOs
and the paranormal in nineteen eighty six when he discovered
(01:22):
that his family, friends, and co workers were having dramatic
unexplained encounters. Since then, he's interviewed hundreds of witnesses and
investigated a wide variety of paranormal phenomena. He's a field
investigator for the Mutual UFO Network, otherwise known as Moufon.
He's a ghost hunter, a paranormal researcher, and the author
of more than thirty books and more than one hundred
(01:44):
articles on UFOs and the paranormal. Several of his books
have been Amazon bestsellers. Welcome to the program, Past Preston.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Thanks very much, Margie, thanks for having me on. I
appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Well, it's good to see you again. It's it's been
a while since I had you on the show, and
I know you've got a lot going on and with
thirty books under your belt. Oh my gosh, is that
your full time job?
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Now?
Speaker 3 (02:13):
I'm kind of you know, I did work for thirty
five years and then went part time, so I basically
was doing this on weekends and at night. But now yeah,
I am doing this pretty much full time, along with
no YouTube and podcasting and writing books and articles and
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of course trying to just maintain the house.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Right exactly. And that's a that's a job in itself.
So let's go back in time a little bit. You
said nineteen eighty six is when you discovered that your
family and friends around you were having unexplained encounters. Tell
us a little bit about that.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Yeah, I can't believe it's almost forty years ago. Amazing
to me. I came into this field as a complete skeptic,
and I honestly thought everyone in my family was skeptical
of this. I have five brothers and sisters, so a
pretty big family, and nobody really talked about this. That
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all changed. Well, actually, I shouldn't go back a little bit.
I was probably thirteen years old when my older brother Mark,
who was probably eighteen at that time, came running into
the house one evening I letn't say nineteen seventy eight ish,
and Josh was out of his mind. He said he'd
seen a UFO. I didn't believe in then. I knew
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how far away the stars are. I was very scientifically
minded and kind of a materialized. I just didn't want
to hear it. I did not believe him, so I
ignored him, much to my peril, because it was nineteen
eighty six, November seventeen. I'll never forget this date. When
the news came on that night and we're all watching it,
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you know, much of the family, and I think it
was Tom brocar Dan rather one of these big news
guys starts talking about and I'm sure you've heard of
this case, Margie, the j A L Airlines Captain Kenju
Tarocchi over Earth. Oh yeah, an amazing case. Of course.
They just joked about it on the news. They did
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not mention it was on radar They did not mention
that this plane was, you know, basically paced for what
it's an hour maybe about that for a long time,
that there was a course change, and I mean it
was an amazing case. But no, they just kind of
joked about it, but did show his picture. I remember
seeing captain, you know, Kenju Tarocchi, that poor guy. You know,
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he's out of his mind. He must have had highway hypnosis.
I don't think he's lying, but there's UFOs aren't real,
so you must have misperceived. So I'm going through all
the in my head. But I'm like, I bet he's
going to lose his job over this, because what kind
of a pilot would report a UFO. I was right
about that he was rounded for a while at least.
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But that's what really got me to ask my brother
Mark again, what he's I'll put that what he thought
he saw, right, which is you know how skeptics work, like,
oh yeah, I believe you think you saw something, but
you know what do you think you saw? No, he
saw something, and it was a classic flying saucer. In short,
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he was with his two friends Phil and Greg in Mesita, California,
and parked the car on the hillside, and right in
front of them, at eye level, maybe one hundred feet away,
was this disk with colored lights, a dome on top, silent, wavering,
slightly describing all the details that I now know are
(05:55):
legit sightings. And they chased it in their car, stop
and wait for them. They get real close to it
and would dart ahead. They passed other cars chasing it.
That's when it Yeah, at tree top level, this thing
was low. I'm like, Mark, you're crazy. What are you
talking about? This is Kent what he's like, Listen, this
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is what happened. And if you don't believe me, go
ahead ask Phil, ask Greg his friends who I knew,
of course, and I did, and that was the beginning
of all the dominoes falling for me, my whole belief
system collapsing. So I found out that a lot of
people I knew had had encounters like this, people in
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the family, friends, coworkers. This includes not just sightings, but
missing time landings, face to face sightings with humanoids. I mean,
my sister, oh my gosh, she finally sat down with
me one day and she's like, Okay, I'll tell you
I don't talk about this. I'm like, I was so mad.
Margie like, how can you guys have kept secret for me?
Speaker 4 (07:01):
Right?
Speaker 3 (07:02):
And they're likely you wouldn't have believed me, would you.
I'm like, well, probably not, so I had to forgive them.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
So what did your sister in law see?
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Oh, it's amazing. This was late nineteen seventies. She had
just had a major UFO siding not far from her
house in Van Knives. I think it was just a
couple of months later. Again, late nineteen seventies. She's in
college and decides to take a late night walk. No,
Van Nys is a pretty densely populated place, and took
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a walk from her home and Van Nys with her
dog Sarah. She wanted to collect an abandoned shopping cart
that she saw out side of the road, so she
walked the three blocks and was taking the shopping cart back,
walking right in front of Stag Street Elementary School, a
little school. There's a courtyard with a floodlight right in
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front of the school, and she's walking right in front
of the school when she sees what she thinks are
two children right under the the floodlight there. She's like, well,
that's odd, you know, it's almost midnight. What are children
doing out? And she's looking at them. She's like, oh
my gosh. You know, they look bald, and they're wearing
green jumpsuits. This is really weird. She's thinking, it's not Halloween,
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this was summer. So she gets right up to them,
about ten feet away. She says they were face to face,
almost kissing, and then turned almost floating, it seemed, and
looked at her, and she said it was the biggest
shock of her life. She said it looked like they
were floating an inch or two off the ground. She's
not sure about that, just judging by the way they turned.
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Mind you, she's got a pretty much idetic memory and
a real eye for detail. I had her drawing for me.
But any rate, she described the typical grays, all the
green jumpsuits, mandarin collars, white white skin, huge dark eyes,
almost no nose, her mouth and so forth.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Uh huh.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Her dog, her dog didn't react at all. Really, she gulped.
You know, she didn't want to run because she didn't
want a panic. Got no messages, nothing like that, but yeah,
finally just walked past them. They're looking at her, and
she's looking at them as she goes by, and ditches
the shopping cart and walks fast as she can without
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running straight home, didn't look back. That was when she
told me that that was it. I mean, all that's
were off. I knew she wasn't lying. There's no way
she could be misperceiving. So that's when I started buying
all the books I could. I joined muff On, became
a field investigator and started writing articles eventually and interviewing
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people formally, and just dove deep for ten years, writing
articles and occasionally going on radio and TV pretty early on,
but put on my first book in nineteen ninety six,
UFO Healings, and after that, you know, one book a
year on the average. There were dry spells, certainly in
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some very active times as well, but yeah, I don't know.
This took over my life pretty quickly.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Have you ever run into a case or any cases
that involved levitation?
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Oh? Absolutely, yeah. And I'm going to differentiate this a
little bit because there are people who find themselves floating
up and out of their house through the roof and
then into a UFO. But I started running into another
kind of levitation, which is just kind of spontaneous human levitation,
not the ets involved here. I remember first reading about
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that with Whitley Strieber. He's like, I just spontaneously levitated.
And I had a family friend who has had some
contact and she swears up and down. Mary frank is
her name. That is a little girl she levitated. She
was in the doctor's office with her family, her parents,
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and ran down the corridor, turned the corner. No one
could could see her. This was an empty corridor, and
suddenly she's flying down the corridor, turns the next corner,
goes all the way down to the end, and lands
softly on her feet. And of course she's six five
six years old, goes running back, my mom my, dad,
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I flew. I'm like, sure you did, honey, Uh huh.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
That's very unusual, I mean, and without having any intention
to do that. I mean, I do know some people
who practice yoga and other things that you know, as
adults learn how to levitate, and it takes quite a while.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
But that's spontaneous, Yeah, in quite a few cases involving children.
So when she told me that, you know, it wasn't long.
It was around that time I was going to college
and I had read about Saint Joseph of Coupertino, who
was very famous across Europe. Yes this is in the
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Middle Ages, I will say that, yeah, But he became
known as the Flying Friar of Europe and would attract
crowds of thousands of people as more than one hundred
very well documented recorded levitations, and just probably the most
famous case in all human history, one of the top
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five or ten certainly, and had heard of Saint Teresa
of Avila, also a very well known levitator from Spain.
Saint Joseph is from Italy, And that's what started to
getting interested in this subject. So I interviewed Mary and
started asking everyone else I knew, have you levitated? And
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most looked at me like I was absolutely out of
my mind. Crazy. People were much more inclined to believe
in UFOs or ghosts or like after death or anything,
but this, They're like, what are you talking about? But
I finally found someone else, a friend of a friend
who said that she was running down the stairs one
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day and floated all the way down and was able
to float down several times and float up a couple
of times.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
And do you have any theories as to what the
cause of this is?
Speaker 3 (13:36):
I do, because I began to really study it. I
mean I collected every account I could. There weren't a
whole lot of books on this subject, so it was
a long, long research project. But it became pretty clear
as I collected accounts that it's connected to astral projection
in some way out of body experiences, because certainly Teresa
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of Avila talked about having all kinds of astral projection
experiences before her levitation started occurring. But really what kind
of clinched it for me was Robert Monroe. If you
don't know who Robert Monroe is, he's the out of
body guy who really popularized it in Western culture with
his book Journeys Out of the Body and Fire Journeys
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and the Ultimate Journey. And I read his book. He
actually taught me. I've learned how to affra project from
his book and got really good at it. Still have
a lot of OBEs. But he describes a couple of incidents.
One he was walking down his steps and he stepped
on his shoelace which was untied, and pitched forward headfirst
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down these stone steps, thinking for sure he's going to
crack his head open. This is bad, but done floated
slowly down like a feather, like a leaf and said
it absolutely astonished him, and you thought it had something
to do with his OBEs, and I do too. He
had the same thing happened again, only this time he
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slipped on the icy steps and pitched backwards and was
going to fall down and crack the back of his
head again floated down. But I found this case involving
a gentleman from Japan who's still alive, and he teaches
all of this stuff how to become spiritually enlightened, and
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he has had many instances of levitation and actually allowed
himself to be photographed. It's very well documented. I can
send you a photograph that he's got like seven or
ten photographs, because I'm not doing it anymore. I'm not
a trained monkey. You've got the evidence. But he says
it's absolutely connected to autobioty experiences in that how he
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does it is he vacates his body to a certain
point up ahead and really concentrates on it, and the
physical body follows up.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
That makes sense, That does make sense. And yeah, well
I had an incident happen where I may have floated,
But I've done a lot of astral travel since I
was fifteen years old. Nice reading Monroe's books.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
And then I switched to using my theory body to
send my consciousness out to do remote viewing. But I
had a strange incident happened about three years ago where
I was walking down the stairs and I suddenly had
severe vertigo. It was like a week after I had
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recovered from COVID, and so I had long COVID and
the result was vertigo. But it came on suddenly and
I did not know where I was. I couldn't feel
the steps, I couldn't feel the railing I was had
been on, and all of a sudden, the ceiling is
very close to me. I was just I was looking
up like I was lying flat vertical looking at the ceiling.
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Next thing I know, I'm I fall on the floor.
But I only hurt my hip and back. I didn't
hit my head or anything. So the you know, we've
gone over this and over this, my husband and I.
How in the world did I survive that? How did
I not pitch forward and hit the wall in front
of me because it was a wall, and then landing
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and break my neck. That didn't happen, but I was.
I was in the air. I was airborne because I
couldn't feel anything.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
I broke the types of levitation down into seven major types,
and I would call that one a crisis levitation. Okay,
there's quite a few cases of people, you know, slipping
or falling or getting stuck on a cliff or a
tree or what have you, and they somehow float down
instead of go bam hitting the ground. But you know, yeah,
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one is running levitation. Now that lady I interviewed, who
had you know, levitation episodes going up and down the
stairs as a child, She says, I don't know if
this is connected, but as a kid, you know, at
that time, I could run faster than anyone in the neighborhood,
twice as fast, you know, even more faster than the boys.
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She said, it almost felt like I was just touching
the tip the sidewalk with the tips of my feet.
I would get to this point where I could almost
fly while I'm running and absolutely rang a bell. Because
there's this thing called, well in the United States, among
the Native Americans, it's called Indian running, where they would
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train people specifically to do this and they could cover
vast distances using this paranormal running technique and into bet.
They have this into a science. It's called the long
um pa, and they have this whole technique that they do,
breathing techniques and meditation where they can absolutely cover long distances.
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It's it's an ability that they actually foster or culture
within themselves. This is this is a number of different cultures.
I call this running levitation.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
I've never heard of that. That's fascinating, amazing, right, yeah, yeah,
I written about it.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Yeah. I put together a book called human Levitation, which
was inspired by all these cases I was collecting. Like
one lady I interviewed from Colorado. I asked her and
she's like, oh, yeah, I was meditating once just like
I always do, open my eyes and I realized I
was three or four inches above her pillow there, and
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she just went PLoP right down soft. No one believes me.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
I'm like, I believe you, yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Absolutely, but yeah. I found seven different types and I
found some three hundred and fifty cases all over the world,
reaching back let's see almost two thousand, four thousand years
really depending on if you believe. Some of these really
early cases, but over half are from saints, you know, nuns, monks,
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holy people in all cultures and there's this state of
mind they get it into called ecstasy where they're just praying, praying,
and then suddenly they're in kind of this nirvana type state.
And this is when they levitate. It's spontaneous, it's not
something they're deliberately cultivating. It just happens. And I call
that ecstatic levitation. And then of course there's meditative, which
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is definitely something that they're sort of culture, you know,
learn how to do. This is meditation or I'd say
levitation is far more understood I think by the Eastern cultures. Yeah,
and who really know how to do it and have
breathing techniques and they it's not a specific goal necessarily.
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In fact, in some teachings it's actually an obstacle. It's considered,
you know, these psychic abilities will manifest on your pathway
towards spiritual enlightenment, but they're not to be the goal
because they can be distracted. But at anyway, so yeah,
we're not supposed to aim for that, but it's a
good sign you're on the right path. So that's meditative levitation.
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So it appears to be something that's internally generated that
anybody can do. But there's another type of levitation, and
I'm not sure there's any real qualitative difference here, which
I call mediumistic levitation, because you see this with physical mediums.
Daniel Douglas Home it was a very famous medium in
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the United States from late eighteen hundreds early nineteen hundreds,
probably the most famous levitator in the world, very well documented,
studied by scientists, and he would levitate while holding sciances.
Wasn't aware of it the first time He's doing a
little scance circle and the lady next one was like, why,
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mister Holme, are you aware that you're levitating off of
your seat? And he looked at He's like, oh my gosh.
He was not aware of it, Oh why, but ended
up doing it hundreds of times in front of scientists.
I mean, levitation is very well documented, and there's case
after case where people are in a haunted house, perhaps
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you know, a poltergeist type situation where they're lifted up,
maybe even thrown across the room. Sometimes they feel like
spirits are doing this, so I think that possibly that's
what's going on. But yeah, crisis levitation which occurs during
falls or fevers even or any kind of illness, food poisoning,
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you name it. There's a bunch of cases of that.
There's also this is so interesting, sleeping levitation. Now, this
is when a person is in bed and they're asleep,
but the person next time wakes up or walks in
and they're floating above their darn bed.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Yes. Yes, I've had a couple of cases where I
was interviewing witnesses about their paranormal activity in their house
and that has happened to them. The person involved did
not know that they were levitating, but there was a witness.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Yeah. Can you imagine?
Speaker 5 (23:47):
No, are that really provides a clue as to I
think the mechanics behind all this, because when we're sleeping,
we're actual traveling.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Even if you don't remember, we're all doing it every
night for the most part at some point, and I
think that's what's happening. Is people are out of their
body and the body is being drawn the physical body
is being drawn upwards. And of course then there's this
spontaneous cases which have no apparent cause, but often to children.
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I call it the floating stage because I've got a dozen,
well twenty now cases of kids who just spontaneously levitated,
and occasionally adults. But it's weird, there's bleed through. There's
a guy in Russia, a farmer. He gained fame throughout
his community and beyond for his ability to levitate like
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four feet off the ground. And asked, how do you
do this? He says, I just use willpower. I just
think so. I don't know if what you category you
would put that under. It's not spontaneous meditative, I guess.
But he says, he's just a farmer, you know, he's not.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Fully awake, functioning, and he just thinks I want to
love tatany does it?
Speaker 4 (25:05):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
There was another lady who worked at a little fair,
you know, with the street fairs, and she had this
little booth that where she could prove that she would
reduce her weight by half. She was like one hundred
and forty pounds or one hundred and thirty and anyone
could lift her. And the guy she happened to have,
a paranormal guy come up and see this, Joseph Weed.
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He's a pretty famous paranormal researcher and wrote some books
on the subject and met this lady and did the
whole thing, lifted her up. He was astonished. She asked her, well,
how do you do that. She said, I don't know.
I can't tell you how I do it. I just
she tapped her chest. I feel light in here. I
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just feel light in here and my weight reduces. And
she's like, just so you know, my father could do
it too. So there's some evidence that this is genetic.
Really yeah, the Royal Family of Hungary. It has like
five levitators in it.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
So, oh my, well, I guess.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Some you know, because there's a number of cases, So
I think there's that's a factor. It's not hard and fast.
There was another guy, Captain Bartlett, who was just a
military guy who lined himself up in front of twenty
other scientists and was able to reduce his weight by
thirty percent or so. Another really really well verified case.
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People have no idea how well this has been verified, photographed,
done in a laboratory setting numerous times. It's ability. I
am absolutely convinced we all have. I sure I've met
meditated and tried, but the closest to every got I
was lying in bed because I'm like, you know, all
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the people are doing it, maybe I could. I've been
doing out of obs and I was lying in bed
and doing the meditation. I'm like, well, okay, this, I've
done this several times, like it's not working. So I
opened my eyes, my arms were straight up. I had
no idea.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Oh oh, so you didn't feel your your arms were levitating.
In other words, and you didn't.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
Know it, right, I mean it's you got you got.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Part part way there, go for the legs next.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
I think it takes you know, some time. You know,
look how long it takes to become a doctor, right,
seven years of daily training. I think it's kind of
a skill like that that really takes a lot of focus. Well, yeah,
learning after projection was like that for me. I meditated
for every day an hour or two for two months
about before I had my first obe, which is really
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not that long when you think about it. But no,
it worked for me. I think levitation is somewhat if
you were to take the time and effort to do it,
because I've heard from several of these quote schools of
thought that it is one of the more easy psychic
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skills to learn.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Oh really, that's kind of amazing if it's one of
the easier ones. All right, Well we're going to take
a short break, and when we come back, we'll talk
more with Preston Dennett.
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And we're back with Unexed News. I'm your host, Margie
Kay and this evening we're speaking with Preston Dentnet, the
prolific writer, Preston Dentnet and researcher. And what are you
doing with MOFON these days? Are you busy with UFOE investigations?
Speaker 3 (30:51):
I work mostly independently. I still support MOFON. I'm a member,
I get their journal, I speak at many of their
local chapters and occasionally for you know, the national but
I don't work directly with them in terms of investigating cases. Oh.
I do for about three four years, but ultimately I
(31:12):
kind of wanted the freedom to work with my you know,
directly with the witnesses and not be because there's some
constraints involved when you're working with an organization of any kind.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Yeah, there are rules, rules that we have to follow.
So I have to ask you, what is the strangest
UFO investigation you've ever done?
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Oh, Margie, that is such a hard question. There's some, really,
there are some cases that absolutely stand out and say
one of the weirdest was this lady I was interviewing,
Shirley Jones is her name. She's now deceased for some years,
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and she was had lifetime of contact which was very
kind of peripheral in terms of what she remembered, like
seeing little figures in her room as a child, waking
up with her different clothes or clothes on inside out,
and twigs and leaves in her bed. She did wake
up once outside her home, running through the field and
(32:22):
there's this little craft chasing after her. She's terrified, fully awake,
and it sends down this beam of light. It strikes
her and instantly her fear completely leaves her. She's unable
to move. She's being pulled up into this craft and
she blacks out and wakes up the next morning. So
these kinds of things is what she was describing. But
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then she blew me out of the water. She told
me about an experience she had as a young woman
in the watch Hung Mountains of New Jersey. This was
some time ago, I think late sixties, early sent I'd
have to look it up. But at any rate, she
was riding a motorcycle. She's an amazing way. This was
at a time when most women were riding motorcycles. But she,
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let's see, she was a real estate broker and became
a psychiatrist licensed, a really credible witness. At any rate,
she had an accident on this remote mountain road very
late at night, where her bike slid off the road
and got all banged up. She luckily was fine, little cut,
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some bruises and such, but nothing major. But the bike
was not total. But it had the old kickstarter. It
wasn't an ignition you had to kickstart these bikes. The
kickstarter was all bent out of shape and she could
not start the bike. It's a cold night, you know,
this is no cars are going to drive bash. So
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she's stranded. She's like, I don't know what I'm going
to do. And this is when she says, my friends
showed up with your friends. She's like, well yeah, and
she said she described what we would probably call hybrids
because she looked largely human. It said. They had very
pale skin, were five and a half feet tall, very large,
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all black eyes. She is I'm not sure whether they
were not wearing clothes or had very tight jumpsuits. After
speaking with her, I'm pretty sure they had jumpsuits on.
At any rate. There were two of them, and they
just appeared. She turned around and they were there right
next to her bike, five or ten feet away from her,
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and she said it was quite scary, even though she
they didn't do anything, never spoke to her, but one
of them told her to like that, stepped back, and
she did, and the other one lifted up the bike,
bent down and started to straighten the kickstarter with its hands. WHOA,
(34:54):
Now this is weird. Took them just a few not
even in it, thirty seconds or so, and set the
bike up on its kickstand and stepped back and motioned
for her to get on. And she's like, okay, gets
on the bike, kickstarts it, the engine thrums to life.
(35:16):
She looks at them, takes off. Never saw UFO. She's
just pressing now. I regret not staying a little longer,
but at the time I was really scared, she said.
My heart was just thumping.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Oh my goodness, so weird.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
But there's a number of cases that are just defferent.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Well, that in itself shows that they were watching her.
You're keeping an eye on her in some fashion, and
they know what's going on. So if she's in trouble,
they go to help. I mean, what does that say.
Obviously they're not evils. They weren't there to hurt her,
(36:02):
but they were there to help.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
Yeah. I can say the vast majority of cases, people
will have some fear, But I don't have any cases
of ET's act sidistically towards people. Quite the opposite. They rescued.
Like Dolly Saffron I wrote a whole book about her.
She had an incident where she became lost on a
stormy night while driving. Didn't know she was heading in
the wrong direction. That's when her craft showed up in
(36:27):
front of her. Her friend's like, oh my god, what's that.
She's like, well, I'm telling you, I'm a contact. That's
the ship. It's like, you're kidding, And it basically told
her you're going the wrong direction. Turn around, turn around,
turn around, and she did and it led her to
the main highway. She's had a number of experiences like that.
Oh so yeah, I mean I've got a bunch of
(36:48):
those kind of quote rescues or where they just assist
you in some way.
Speaker 4 (36:53):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
Do do you have any cases where a person is well,
we know of a lot of cases where the ets
seem to come at night when you're asleep. But are
there cases where they regularly visit while you're while a
person is awake, just going about their daily routine at
(37:17):
work or working in their kitchen or something like that
where they get visited while they're awake.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
Certainly that does happen. I'm trying to think. I mean,
Dolly Saffron I wrote a whole book about her, She's
got a list of those kinds of cases. But she's
an unusual person and that she has overcome her fear
of contact. She's been taken at school, from work. Trying
to think of other cases, I'm sure I have them,
(37:50):
But yeah, they do seem to come at night a lot.
Most commonplace a person will see an ET is actually
in their bedroom, which sounds crazy, but when you think
about you know, if you start analyzing the cases, you'll
see this is often where people are basically taken from
and into a craft. M h, I'm gonna have to
think about that. That's a good no. One's god rest before.
(38:11):
That's a good question. I'm sure I have cases. Gosh.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
And have you been on a case that you're investigating
and an et or even a ghost shows up to you?
Speaker 3 (38:25):
Oh? Yeah, absolutely?
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Oh due, tell you know.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
I did a whole couple of years of pretty intense
ghost research because, as you know, this subject is peripherally
or at least in some way connected to all the
All of these paranormal subjects are have some bleed throughs
and connections. And I was at a haunted house where
the child was having a lot of Poultergeist activity, and
(38:53):
I was in the living room. This is the kitchen
is kind of blocked off. It's not an open concept, right,
there's a peninsula, but it leads to the kitchen, which
is mostly you can't see it. And I heard you've
probably heard paranormal noises where there's these crashing sounds.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Oh yeah, yeah, and then you go in there and
there's nothing.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
Yeah, well heard it. And this is you know, twenty
feet away. And I've always heard people describe it. It's
like that's so hard for me to describe it. Sounds
like furniture moving and pots and pans and glass breaking. Well,
it was all that I could hear, even little springs going, doing, doing, doing,
glass tinkling and something. I mean, it was crazy. And
(39:34):
we looked at each other and I went running in
and I was in there within five seconds. Not a thing. No,
of course, I'm being thorough. There's a pantry. I opened
the pantry, no, which I knew it was because I
heard none of the cabinets. Nothing. And a few times
I had my hair pulled once or some somebody stuck
(39:55):
when I had hair, and once social someone stuck their
finger in my arm pick because I jumped. I'm like, whoa,
I turned around. No, nobody was there. Oh, I'd say
the best one. When I went to see a physical medium,
Donna was her name, and she could do what's called
(40:18):
table tipping. My sister in law worked with her at
an art studio, so she's like, oh, you should talk
to this idea. I love to. Let's go. And I
brought my camera and compass and oh my equipment, and
there was a group of people. She would hold sessions
(40:39):
and I can't wait till it's my turn. Because it
was a little card table, I thought, well, you know,
I could probably tilt that with my hand, and it
kind of looked like that's what they were doing. As
a researcher, you become a little bit more skeptical than
perhaps the average person because you have to be yeah,
you know what I mean. You really have to test
everything that's going on here. So I'm like it was
(41:01):
my turn, and there was four of us, runs little
card table and the medium Donna. We all put our
hands on the table and this timetable goes right up
forty five degrees. I'm like, wow, I knew instantly it
was real, just because the way it felt. But to
test it, I'm like, okay, would you guys mind if
just me and the medium did it. I'm like, okay, fine,
(41:23):
you know, I'm approaching this like a scientist or trying to.
And we put our hands on the table and it
went right up. Like, Donna, this is amazing. Would you
mind just using one hand?
Speaker 1 (41:37):
You know?
Speaker 3 (41:37):
And she's like sure, and sure if it went right up,
I'm like, okay, Donna, just touch it with one finger,
just one finger, very lightly, and she did and it
went right up. I'm like, Okay, let me just try
it alone. You know, mind, I had checked this table
for net magnets and all whatever, no evidence of any
(41:57):
trick or you're hoaxing. I put my hands on the table,
and you know, you call the spirits right, this darn
table shook, shuck, shuk, shucks shut. I couldn't get it
to go up, but it was closed. It was shaking
under my hands and nobody was touching it.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
Wow, it was crazy.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
We got that table to I tried to get it
to fully levitate. Finally, what it did is it started
walking over all the way to the stairs, which led
downwards and hung out of you know, what do you
call a ninety degree angle or horizontal right over the
downward staircase on one leg.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 3 (42:34):
Yeah, that's so.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
What do you think that was? Do you think that
was thought control or do you think it was actual
spirits that were doing it.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
I think it's probable. I don't know, you know, I
have to I don't know. I think it could be both.
I'm not so sure. I will tell you that when
a spirit would come, it would lift in a certain way,
and some are very strong and others were until I
mean there was a difference the spirits, which led me
to believe there's some spirit influence here. But the fact
(43:08):
is she's a physical medium. She's playing a role here, right,
So I don't know, I'm a little bit on the
fence with exactly how this works, but I think the
spirits are doing it because we have so many cases
of doors opening and closing. It's a big deal, of course,
when a spirit can manipulate the physical environment in any way.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (43:33):
Think there's a physical medium around in poultry geists we
all know this have a connection to often a disturbed
teenager or someone emotionally involved in some way.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
So do you think that the medium or a person
in the house is actually supplying energies so that the
spirits can use that in order to manifest.
Speaker 3 (43:56):
Possibly. Yeah. There was a gentleman I interviewed, Gosh, what
an amazing guy. He had such intense activity, Whitney. What's
his name, Whitney, right, And I interviewed his friends, Paul Delgado,
because he had witnesses. He had a really very active
haunting and when this ghost would show up, it would
(44:19):
the temperature would drop. And this is something that you know,
Eden Lorraine of course, Warren noted, in many of their cases,
I think the energy is being drawn from the environment,
so and I think in some cases, yeah, from the
medium itself for him or herself.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
That makes sense because heat his energy.
Speaker 3 (44:39):
Right, there's something going on there.
Speaker 4 (44:41):
Yeah, it was funny.
Speaker 3 (44:43):
That was such an active haunting. He's like, don't don't
mess with this ghost, you know, just leave it alone.
He learned, don't give it attention because this was not
necessarily a super friendly ghost. He was a poultergeist. And
he had friends come over and one was taunting and say, oh,
if you They ended up running out of the house
(45:05):
because this girl start banging things. And one time his
friend I started walking through the cold spots. He's like,
it's right here, you can feel it. Walk through it.
He says, oh my god, it gives me a rush.
And Whitney's like, don't do that, Please stop doing that.
And he's like, no, no, it's really cool. Try It's like,
I'm not trying that, stop it. And he learned the
(45:25):
hard way that that was not a good idea. There
was activity ramped up that night and they went to bed.
Whitney's lying in bed, Paul's sleeping on a you know,
a mat at the foot of the bed, and he's like,
I feel it again, Whitney, I feel it. It's coming
through me. All wow, this is such a rush. And
(45:46):
Whitney's like, don't do this. Stop And then suddenly he
stiffens up, starts speaking in this foreign language and snarling.
He's like full on possess.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
Right, yeah.
Speaker 3 (45:58):
Whitney rushes over to him to cannot lift him up.
He is twice his normal at least, can't move him.
And this guy reaches out and scratches his chest really bad,
and he witness. He's not a super religious guy, but
he's calling on you know, Jesus and so forth, as
people will do when they're got no other recourse in
(46:20):
any kind of emergency. And this spell breaks whatever you
want to call it, the attempted possession, and a number
of people who went to that stage where you know,
the ghosts absolutely tried to enter inside them of the spirits.
And Paul wakes up out of it, snaps out, he's crying.
(46:43):
He doesn't remember any of it, but he said it
was very painful. He suddenly felt his old body. He
couldn't breathe, he went black, He felt pain in his chest,
scared him half to death. He learned.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
He learned his lesson, Well, that will teach you. Yes,
I do not like these shows where the ghost hunters
are antagonizing the spirits. Every time I see that, I'm like,
what are you doing? You know you're just going to
bring the rafts of the spirits on. You make them
very angry, and the more angry they get, the more
(47:21):
powerful they are. I just I don't understand it.
Speaker 3 (47:25):
Yeah, you're playing with fire. Unless you're really advanced or
very experienced, I wouldn't recommend it using that. Lady Donna
eventually stopped doing table tipping because she started to have problems.
She had an unexplained fire in her kitchen. This weird
clicking noise would follow her around. Oh I did it.
(47:46):
I visited her a number of times and stopped too
because I'm driving home one day after a session and
something hit my car so hard it knocked me off
the road sum and I'm like swerving. I'm like, ohfully
regained control, But I just know that that was related
to that. My brothers like, oh, you probably just hit
(48:07):
you know, some gasoline. You can't see it. It's an
oil slick that's not what happened. You weren't there. It's
funny how skeptics will try to, you know, knock down
your story. I'm like, listen, if you were there, fine,
you can. You can have an opinion on this, but
you're not entitled to one if you weren't there. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (48:28):
Skeptics will even deny things that they're seeing with their
own two eyes. My husband saw UFO several years ago
while he was at a conference, and he called me
while he was looking at it, and then several weeks
later he's like, oh, that was probably a balloon. You know,
they tried to rationalize something that at the time it
(48:49):
sounded actually quite spectacular.
Speaker 3 (48:52):
It's amazing.
Speaker 2 (48:56):
Yeah, you've got some of your latest books. One of
them is Humanoids and High Strangeness. What is that about.
Speaker 3 (49:05):
I love doing research into people who had direct contact,
you know, seeing humanoids face to face, being taken on board,
and that's what I've concentrated most of my research on.
That book presents twenty cases of that kind. Hold on
one second, sorry about that. Yeah, that book contains about
(49:34):
twenty cases of people who had direct contact or been
taken on board. I really wanted to go the extra
mile here, because there's a lot of researchers out there
looking into this, but they have a tendency, many of them,
and I know this, that's a fact, to censor out
some of the more high strangeness aspects, anything that's paranormal
(49:55):
or spiritual, because to a certain extent, I get it,
you know, you want to prove the sub it's nuts
and bolts and that sort of thing. But I think
it's a huge mistake because, as any researcher knows, there
is a paranormal psychic aspect to a lot of these encounters.
It's very prominent. So I really wanted to embrace that
(50:17):
because it's not a one you know, it's not just
about contact. Almost without exception, someone who has direct contact
with ETS starts having astral projection, recognition, remote viewing, healing, levitation,
you know, speaking of levitation, I found about twenty cases
(50:37):
of people who had contact physically levitated afterwards. Jacques Vallet
has cases, but this case Stephen Greer said it happened
twice to him. Dolly Saffron she had many counts of levitation,
So there's a connection there. This is something that we
need to embrace rather than censor out, We're going to
(50:59):
understand what's going on here, because almost without exception, contacts
are profoundly psychic.
Speaker 2 (51:06):
M yeah, yeah, And I think it's a level of consciousness.
I think it's an awakening process and that the ET
contact somehow triggers that.
Speaker 3 (51:19):
I one hundred percent agree. There was one lady this
really brought it home for me. This lady in Mount Rainier, Washington,
had a little silver suited humanoid in her bedroom. This
is an apartment building, big bright light coming in through
her window. She's like, everyone in the whole building has
got to be seeing this. A really loud, buzzing noise,
all the details we hear about. And she woke up.
(51:41):
She was on top of her covers, you know, not underneath,
and all these details. But she wakes up. She's got
to go to work that morning. She's feeling a little floolish,
but you know, she needed to go to work, and
she worked in an office and started up her computer
and immediately it went off line. She's like, okay, these
(52:03):
things happen. Called the it guys, like, can you please
put my computer back online? I don't know what I did.
Goes to the copier turns it on. Damn knocks.
Speaker 2 (52:13):
Oh yeah, and she's.
Speaker 3 (52:15):
Like it guys, as you're done there, Sorry, I don't
know what I did. Goes to the fax machine, same thing,
of course, knocked out three machines in a row. This
is that one. Okay, Now I understand what's going on
here because I talked to another leg she said I
brought was brought back. Things started coming off the walls,
(52:36):
you know, poultrygeist activity and doors opening closing. I was
affecting the electronics. Other people said that all the light
bulbs will blow up. Something about our bioelectric field I
think is being active, or like you said, it's something
is activating these abilities. Because I think when you're with
(52:57):
the ets, they're profoundly psychic. Can levitate ta can the
walk through walls, They're telepathic. You're communicating with them telepathically.
It brings you into that natural I'm gonna call it natural,
not supernatural. It's a natural state of awareness of a
greater consciousness more. I don't know there's our vocabulary struggles
(53:23):
with this topic, but absolutely.
Speaker 2 (53:26):
Yeah, but I think you're onto something, you know, hearing
about all of these cases, and in fact, do you
think there are more et contact cases now than there
used to be, or are people just speaking up more ladder.
Speaker 3 (53:43):
I think people are just speaking up more. It's really
interesting because this used to be thought of as very rare.
But I have to tell you, right when I got
involved in this field, I heard a quote from jail
and Heinek. He said, one in forty people have been
on board. You're out of your mind, with all due
respect because he's, you know, the pioneer of this field
in some ways considered definitely the grandfather of modern ethology. Like,
(54:09):
there's no way I know forty people. I don't know
anyone who I did. Of course, we all know about
forty people. I'd say that we can love and trust.
And I found about five people who fit the bill
of I'm like, oh my gosh, this could be common.
Of course, the roper pole came out in nineteen ninety
(54:29):
one found one in fifty people show the markers of
being a contact EEE. I think it's far more common
than people realize. Yeah, but most people do not talk
about it. And I've talked to some contactees and guy
in England he's like he has full unconscious contact. These
are the people I really enjoy interviewing, like Dolly Saffron,
(54:50):
because they moved past the fear. They're not having missing time.
They're remembering everything. And He's like, I'm telling you, I
think everyone has some level of common tech most don't remember.
Speaker 2 (55:02):
Yeah, I feel the same way. I think I think
it's everyone, but they just kind of block it out.
I mean, you can you can tell a little bit
when you're interviewing let's say a family, and one person
seems to be the focus, and that person is the witness,
and that person has visitation all the time. But just
(55:26):
from the expressions on the other people's faces and their mannerisms,
I can I can tell there's more going on. There
are things that they either don't want to discuss or
they simply you know, they don't remember it, but it's
in their subconscious somewhere very deep.
Speaker 1 (55:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (55:45):
It's funny because I've worked in an office where there
was a lot of people, and people would be outwardly
skeptical and kind of roll their eyes at me and snicker,
and then later come up to my office, which I
know at some point blessed to have my own office.
The door, come in and close the door and like listen,
you know, I know, I said I didn't believe in
this stuff, but can you explain I had this experience?
(56:08):
Of course, then they start to describe, you know, absolutely encounter, right,
And I've learned, like you know, when there's a family
or a group of people, it's nice to interview them
together because you can see the interaction, but if you
take them separately, you start to get a little bit
more information. It's very interesting because they're very people are
(56:30):
so reluctant to talk. If they are not going to
be believed, they will absolutely clam up.
Speaker 2 (56:36):
Yeah, yeah, that's that's right. They don't want to be
ridiculed about it.
Speaker 3 (56:42):
That's such I blame the cover up, the folks behind it,
such a shame. They've really pulled a number over all humanity.
We would be in a different place because that cover
has been very effective. And you know, painting witnesses as liars,
(57:02):
drug addicts, idiots, folks, no more, that's breaking.
Speaker 2 (57:09):
They've done a terrible disservice to humanity, that's for sure.
What are some of your most recent books and how
can people find your books?
Speaker 3 (57:18):
And most recent books would be Humanoids and High Strangeness.
Of course, I did a whole series called Not From Here,
Volumes one through five. I thought volume five would be
the end of it, but I'm putting together volume six.
These covered more, Yeah, the more unusual aspects of contact,
weird patterns like UFOs over graveyards or UFOs over prisons,
(57:41):
or ET phone calls telling you what happens. But Hopkins
has a case ready Fowler, and this is the thing.
I got my first case. No, what's ever gonna believe this?
I look into but weird cases. That's what that whole
series is about. Symmetry, a true UFO adventure. It's another
recent one. I'm working on a sequel to that right now.
(58:04):
I love that one. But yeah, I've got thirty of them,
well thirty two working on you know, three or four more,
and you can find them on Amazon, Barnes and Noble.
I have a website, Preston Donnet dot weevely dot com.
I saw it, you just flashed across the screen. Thank you. Huh. Yeah.
I've got a YouTube channel. I'm all over social media,
(58:25):
so pretty easy.
Speaker 2 (58:26):
Okay, Preston is out there. You can't miss him. Just
go to Google and type in Preston Dennit or if
you don't like Google, go to Duck Duck go and
they don't trace what you're doing. So apparently that's my
new one. Yeah, you never know. Thank you so much
for spending some time with me this evening, Preston. We're
(58:48):
going to have to do this more often than once
every year or two. And I know you're a busy guy.
Thank you so much for coming on the show.
Speaker 3 (58:58):
A pleasure and an honor.
Speaker 2 (58:59):
Thanks margin all right, I will see you guys. Oh gosh,
we've got a bunch of conferences coming up, so take
a look at unex network dot com on our conference
page and take a look at what's going on. We're
really We've got our conference connection page up. If you
have a conference coming up, make sure you'd let us
(59:20):
know about it so we can get it on. And
we're also hosting and sponsoring several conferences this year, and
you'll find some discounts with some of them, so do
check that out. And for now, I'm Margie K signing off.
See you here again next week.
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