November 17, 2025 • 55 mins
Get ready to hear the dark side of the paranormal on this show! June Lundgren was raised by her maternal grandmother, a psychic medium. June grew up communicating with ghosts, spirits, angels, animals and seeing demons in their true form. She has been helping people with their paranormal concerns for many years. June started removing demons after she died in a motorcycle accident in 1986. She specializes in negative entity removal. June is a psychic, medium, demon seer, animal communicator, international author, paranormal investigator, television and radio personality and founder of Ghosts and Girls Paranormal. She has appeared on Ghost Adventures -Graveyard of the Pacific: Norblad Hostel and on Coast-to-Coast AM, Midnight in the Desert, The Unexplained Files with Howard Hughes and more. June’s books include A Mediums Guide to the Paranormal, The Dark Side of the Paranormal, Paranormal Encounters Book 1 & 2, Outta Time, Demon seekers: The Journey Begins and Demon Seekers: into darkness, Demon Seer: The awakening, and Dark Encounters. Join the UnXplained network at unxnetwork.com to get our newsletter and more perks! Multiple podcasts focusing on unexplained phenomenon, bi-monthly magazine, news blog and more!
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My guest tonight is June Lundren. She was raised by
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her maternal grandmother, a psychic medium. She grew up communicating
with ghosts, spirits, angels, animals, and seeing demons in their
true form. June has been helping people with their paranormal
concerns for many years. She started removing demons after she
died in a motorcycle accident in nineteen eighty six, and
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June specializes in negative entity removal. June is a psychic medium,
demon seer, animal communicator, international author, paranormal investigator, television and
radio personality, and founder of Ghosts and Girls Paranormal. Welcome
to the.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Program, June, Thank you, it's good to be here.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Thank you so much for joining me this evening. There
aren't very many people out there that say they are
demon seers. So I'm gonna ask you of the normal
question that I ask everyone. How did you get get
interested in this subject?
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Well, when I was a little kid, and I was
like my grandmother raised me for the first five years
of my life. And she's a psychic medium, and she
knew there was a prophecy that was handed down in
our family from the fourteenth century, and she knew the
minute that she held me that I was the fulfillment
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of the prophecy. The prophecy was there would be a
girl child that would be born and be able to
see here, communicate and remove demons. And so when she
held me, she knew that I was the one. So
for the first five years she taught me everything she knew.
And of course I've always been able to communicate and
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see Michael, the archangel, and the others, Gabriel, Raphael, and
of course you know, I could see demons, but up
until I was about four and a half, I saw
them as most humans do either, you know, kind of
a black blob or shadow type person, that sort of thing.
But it changed for me when I was about four
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and a half. I saw them in their true forms.
And Michael came to me and he said, you know,
you're seeing them through the eyes of an angel. You
have to understand, this is how we see them. We
see them as they truly are. They make humans see
them as they wish to be perceived, but they can't
do that with you. And so I've been dealing with
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you know, I've been watching demons and learning about them,
Michael said. When I was five, he said, I want
you to watch them, want you to learn how they
work because you're going to need it later in life.
And I'm like, Okay, when you're a kid, you think, oh,
it's a game. So you start watching them, start listening
to them because they speak in Aramaic and my brain
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is hardwired to interpret, so I hear their speech. I
hear what they're saying, and they can't hear me if
I don't want them to hear me. So the first
time I actually dealt with one as one on one
was when I was in the military. I was I
was working in the emergency room and we had a
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call that came in for a young man who was
missing and nobody had seen him for like three days.
So we got a call from the tech sergeant said,
you know, we're going to open up his room because
I'm sure they were afraid that he was dead in there.
So we went in. I opened up the door and
I could see the young man curl up in a ball,
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against the wall and then I heard a sound and
over to the left I saw a demon floating a
pod porter. I told the tech that was with me,
I said, you need to getting out of here, and
we need to get out of here now. So we
got him out of there, took him back to the
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hospital and putting in the one of the rooms exam rooms,
and I went to the company to start an IVY
and when I came back in, the demon was leaning
over him, trying to take out his life. Oh my,
that was the first time when underknownst to me. Ariel
the archangel came forward and she said, she told him
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this one belongs to us, not you, and whatever he
saw in my face, he left in a hurry. But
so I started the IVY and I saw him. He
has spent about a week in the hospital. I found
out somebody had put he was a chaplain's assistant and
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somebody he was at a party. Somebody had put PCP
in his soda.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Oh that'll do it.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
So he was out like three days solid. So I
saw him before he left and he said, you know
what he says, I had this stream. He said, in
the stream, a demon was trying to take my soul
and a female warrior angel. She was big. She's huge,
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and she told him, no, this one is not for you.
This one Blonge says. She saved me. And I said, oh, well,
that's just God's way of telling you you've got your back.
Don't worry about it. And he went home.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Yeah, because you couldn't tell him the whole story because.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
At that time I wasn't aware of it. But in
nineteen eighty five, when I died on my motorcycle accident,
a woman ran a red light and hit me, trashed
my bike. But I went to the other side and
my grandparents were waiting for me, and Michael was waiting
for me, and he says, you have to understand who
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and what you are. He said, you are not this
physical being that you see. And then he touched my
forehead and I morphed into somebody else I was. I
looked like him. Archangels are seven foot tall twelve foot wingspan,
and they're just like so bright and they glow. And
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he says, this is who you truly are. He said,
your body was created to hold the soul of Aerial,
the archangel. She's a demon slayer. She was sent back
to learn to live physical world lives, to learn to
have compassion for mankind because she had no compassion. And
of course, for her, that's the worst, the worst of
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all things to happen was to be in a physical show.
But she said, he said, this is what you need
to do. Your job is to start helping people, helping mankind.
You're going to be battling demons. You're going to be
killing them. And this is what you're supposed to do.
And that was in eighty five and I've been doing
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it ever since.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Wow, okay, what a job.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Yeah, that's why I said, you're gonna give me something
very fairy. You have to give me something where I
have to take out the trash. What's up with that?
Speaker 2 (09:08):
You know you mentioned earlier the PCP that the young
man had djusted. Yeah, somebody gave him. How does do
drugs and alcohol affect people and make them more susceptible
to possession? Say?
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Well, it opens them up. It's you know wherey Normally
you would have a guard, you know, you would guard
your mind. You know, you would be in total control
of your mind. But when you have drugs on board,
you're not in control anymore. It leaves you open. It's
like opening the door me like you or me opening
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our front door and said, come on down. Yeah, everybody,
come on in. I'm gonna unlock it in, come on in,
and that's all and they just step right in.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
And there could be some bad stuff in there.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Oh yeah, a lot the bed stuff.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Have you ever dealt with the children being possessed?
Speaker 3 (10:09):
One? One child? A female child back east? Somebody you
know called me in for it and I did the removal.
But it's it's not as prevalent as people would believe
because they're more into adults. Because adults can do more,
they can cause more destruction. So that's really where it's at.
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And most people think, oh, you know, if you have
somebody that's possessed, it's twenty four to seven, But really
it's not. Because the dark ones don't want to be
in a shell either, so they will come and go
at will but once unless you have more, you know,
if you have more than one, then there's always going
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to be one. So to speaking residence, I had a
lady that had eleven of them for twenty years and
it was just she was like, you know, when I
got through at the removal, there was I got through.
I removed ten of them and then there was the
last one to get rid of, and it wasn't didn't
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want to leave, so I didn't want to harm the woman.
But I can look into the demon's mind and find
out why it's there, how it found this person, what
it's you know, why it found the person in the
first place. And I found out that it had been
given a job to do by Lucifer and it just
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but didn't bother to do it. This just went on
as merry way and said screw you, basically, and Lucifer
was looking for it, and yeah, I told the demon,
I said, listen, you can go back into the light
if you want. I said, but you have to really
want it, and you have to be truly repentant for it.
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And it seemed respond to that, so I said, you know, Jesus,
come forth. And I had two people with me. One
was ordained minister and the other one is one the
other girl in my group, and they both stepped aside
as this huge hand came out towards the woman and
I told the demon, I said, there you go. You
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can go into the light if you want to. But
then it pulled back and said no, no, no, I can
never go home. I can never go to the light.
And so I you know, I'm like, I'm not going
to mess with it, you know, I'm like, so be it.
I said, Lucifer, come forth, and my friends kind of
freaked out for a second as this this figure came
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up the hallway. It appeared at the end of the
hallway and advanced towards this and what they saw was
a dark figure with a fedora, double breastles, suits, bats,
that type of thing. I saw it in its true form,
but that's the image that wanted to project into their minds.
So they saw Lucifer in that way, and Lucifer came
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came towards the woman and he told the demon. He
called out his name. I said, you come on with me,
and the Demon's like, no, I'm not coming, I'm not leaving.
And Lucifer looked at me and said, I know you
don't want me to harm the woman, so I will
be back for it tonight. So he turned around, walked
away and disappeared. And so I told the woman, I said,
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they're all gone but one. I said, Lucifer will be
back for it tonight. So we all went home and
we all woke up on our beds at three am
and heard Lucifer say it's done.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Aha.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
So I called the woman the next day and she's like,
I haven't felt empty like this and over twenty years.
I said, please get some you know, get some counseling.
I said, you have PTSD from having these things than you,
so get counseling. And she did.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
And did she put some protection up?
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Yeah, Do you counsel people about that too?
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Oh yeah, because a lot of people think some of
the stupidest things will protect you and they won't. After
dealing with them for you know, forty eight years, I
can tell you that some of the stupidest disinformation that's
out there is ridiculous. You know, walk around in a
circle backwards three times, I'll protect you. I'm like, oh
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my god, really, okay, I want to see that one.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
What do you suggest people do for protection?
Speaker 3 (14:39):
Well, there's a couple of things that you can do.
You can, of course, you know, if you want to
protect your home, you know, you can get holy water
and put the sign of the Cross over each and
every opening window door and ask for protection and ask
for God to protect it. You can get I make
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a black salt. The recipe was given to me by
God and Jesus, and so I put you know, I
make up the black salt, and or usually if I'm
going on a location, I'll take them the black salt
and you'll lay it down around the perimeter of your
home and you'll keep anything negative out, you know. And
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the and prayer. Prayer is powerful. And then mentioning the
name of Jesus and God is very powerful for protection.
But some of the stuff they have, white salt, don't
do anything. People think, oh, just put some white salt down. No,
only if you want to keep a human ghost out, maybe,
I said, But it ain't going to help you with
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a dark one, not one little bit.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
What do you know about the hat man? Is the
hat man actually Lucifer.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
No, he's a minion, you know, that's the thing. He's Lucifer's.
He's one of Lucifer's minions. But there is one that
most people see and it's like really tall and dark
and has this big hat on and has red eyes.
And that's Lucifer's second in command.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Okay, I do know certain people who have seen it.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Yeah, because they have. He has his first in command,
second and third and they keep things going.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Why do they attack people who are what you would
what you'd say mostly good, you know, they're very positive people.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Well, it's it's a challenge for them. Really. It's like
my friend who's ordained minister, and he had one attack
him and try to attach yourself to him, and I
got I got rid of it. But the thing is,
it's a feather in their cap if they can get
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someone who's a light worker or someone who is you know,
has great faith. It's like it's a challenge for them
to turn. They want to turn you against God, against
the That's what it's all about. The thing is most
people don't understand that the war between Heaven and Hell.
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People think it's like, I don't know, they come up
with the screwiest ideas. I can tell you from seeing
it through Aeriel's eyes, that it was we were all
physical beings at one time, except you know, God and Jesus.
But we were all physical beings at one time, and
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we over the years, we evolved into pure energy, and
then we traveled the galaxies for hundreds of thousands of years,
saw everything you could see, experienced everything you could and
then one day the people, you know, the soul said, listen,
you know, we're tired of this. We've seen everything, we've
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done every thing. We want to have physical bodies again.
And Lucifer and his followers didn't want to have anything
to do with that. Oh no, no, you don't. We
do not want that. We do not want to be
subject to a shell where we can, you know, suffer
pain and disease and discomfort of any kind. You know,
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we want to be free to travel. And so that's
what started the war, and it was a war of
light in the beginning, because you know, Lucifer rose up
against God and Lucifer and his followers his son.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
And.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
There was a big battle and Lucifer was disarmed by
Michael and Ariel disarmed his son. And God said, I'm
going to give you exactly what you want. You're never
going to be able to take on physical form, but
you can't live among us. So he opened a rift
into a dark room and he put him in there,
and he told Lucifer, this is your kingdom now, and
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he sealed the rift. And there are two archangels that
are guarding the rift the opening. So that's actually what
started the war between Heaven and Hell, and they attack
physical beings because every physical being has a white light soul.
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And at first, when they were put in the dark realm,
they were happy about it because, you know, they could
do their own thing. They weren't subject to anybody telling
them what to do or anything. But over the hundreds
of thousands of years, they grew angry and vengeful and
just nasty, plain and simple. They've become part of the darkness,
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and so they attack the white light souls because they
feel that it's the white light souls that put them
there in the first place. So they're going to make
their life.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Oh my goodness, I've got so many questions. So is
there any particular part of well, we'll just say in
the United States itself that is more prone to demonic encounters.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Anywhere where there is a prison, any place where there's
a mental institution, anywhere that there was a battle and
blood was built there, you're going to They're attracted to
these locations, and anywhere where there's extreme death. You know
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you're going to find them there because there it's like,
you know, it's like somebody opening it, just putting up
a free beer sign, come on down, you know.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
You know, I often wonder and a lot of my
paranormal investigations i'll run across. Let's say we go to
a cemetery, run across a few souls that are still
hanging out there. Are they subject to possession? By remaining
there or remaining on the earth after they.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Pass, they run the risk of becoming puppets for the
Dark Ones if they're not strong enough. What will happen
is like, say you have I had someone I gave
the Black Saul to. They laid it down in everything
and it kept out the dark ones. But there were
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human souls that were serving the dark Ones, not on purpose.
Basically they were enslaved, and so they can get through
the dark the black Salt. Because they're human souls, they're
not demanded, and so they would cause the person to
have nightmares, you know, pull them out of bed, scratch them,
do all kinds of things, you know. Whereas because the
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demons can't get to them, so they would send it
a human soul.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Oh boy, well that's even more evil. Goodness, there's a
lot going on here. I when I was younger, I
was playing in a band, and about towards the end
of the evening, I noticed these little like two foot tall,
demonic looking creatures with wings sitting up behind the bar,
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and at a certain time, they flew out, and they
flew into the top of the heads of three men
on the dance floor, and they immediately changed their personality.
They wanted to fight. They were being very aggressive. It
was obvious what had just happened. So do you have
any tips for people who might be having too much alcohol?
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Yeah, you have to be careful because those are what
I call the creepy Cali dudes. They're the minions of
the demons. You know. They're kind of like I like
them to pimps because they look for victims.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Okay, they go out and they.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Find victims for their mass. They're either a lesser demon
or an old demon, but at nine times out of
a tense, a lesser demon. But you need to, you know,
people need to be aware that if suddenly somebody's whole attitude,
temperaments change, you know, then there's usually influence there from
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one of the dark ones, whether they're just like toying
with you, or whether they've made the idea, you know,
are investigating you because I've because it's not like the
demons can they see you and they say, oh, this
person's great. I'm just going to attach myself to that person. Now.
They will watch the individual. They will learn about them.
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They'll learn their weaknesses, their strengths, see how their faith is,
you know, what they want out of life. If they're
easily influenced, and if they meet all the criteria, then
the creepy Crawley dude will run back and tell us boss.
And then the boss will do much the same thing.
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He'll watch them, he'll test them, he'll, you know, see
what's important to them, what's not important to them, what
they can use as leveriges against you. You know. But
if they find that they're not good enough, if they
don't make a good victim, then the lesser demon will
slap the many in outside the head. They'll look for
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another victim.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
So is the ultimate goal to get them to cross
over to the dark side.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
Yeah, they want them to do. They want to create
as much hell on earth for them as they can.
And usually the symptoms of the attachment are, you know,
everything starts going in the toilet. Your finance is going
the toilet, your relationships go on the toilet, your health
goes in the toilet. You know, that's how they work.
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They're all about causing all of this, and their idea
is to isolate you, to take away your support system
and you know, people that would help you, people that
would be close to you, and so that you have
nobody to help you. And then they start working on
your brain. They start telling you you're never going to
get away, You're never going to get rid of them,
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that God's forsaken you, and you know you belong to us,
so you might as well start doing what we want.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Nice messages. Goodness, okay, folks, we're up on a break.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
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Uh and we're back with the next news. I'm your host,
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Margie k and this evening, my special guest is June
Lundgren and we are talking about the dark side of
the paranormal. June, you also have a paranormal investigation group.
Tell us about that.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Yeah, years ago, I formed one that was different because
I was a member of different several different paranormal investigation groups,
but none of them, well most of them didn't want
to deal with the dark ones or anything dark. So
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I formed my own group called Ghosts and Girls Paranormal
and it's just it's what it began with just me
and another girl, and we've just recently added one more
to the group. But we specialize in negative entity removal
and I identification, and it's I can do removals from
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a distance, and a lot of the ones that I
do are from a distance, because you know, I can't
fly to Florida, or I can't fly to South Carolina
or one of the other places you know. So if
people send me a picture of a location or a
picture of the individual, then I can do the removal.
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I can see what's there and remove it.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
And here's your logo. Yep, that's cute. So you don't
have to be on site. Is it easier if you're
on site?
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Now? It's just as easy for me to do either way.
Like I went to England in for the first time
in twenty seventeen and there was a place there called
the Cage, so medieval. It was a medieval women's prison.
It was the most haunted location in all of England.
And they add demons there and stuff, and I was
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over I was over there and a friend of mine says, hey,
give me a call and I said I can't. I'm
in the UK. And she's like, well, maybe you can
help this woman. And I'm like, okay. She says, she has,
you know, demons in the location where she in her house.
I'm like, all right, just you know, send me her
information and I'll contact her. So I did. I contacted
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her and she says, usually I don't bother to answer
people regarding this, and I said, well, you know, just
send me a picture of the location and I'll do
the removal. So later that day she sent me a
picture of the location and I removed it while I
was on the treadmill. Yeah, I got an exercise, you know.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
And she talked to me. She said, you know, I've
got a famous American psyche coming in tomorrow to go
through the house and he doesn't deal with darkness. And
I'm like, well, he can come in. I said, I
removed everything. I said so, and she said it was
Chris Fleming, and I'm like, yeah, I know, he doesn't
do dark I said, you can. He can come in.
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There's no problem now. And so he came in the
next day and she got a hold of me afterwards
and said, you're right, there's nothing left there. There was nothing.
He couldn't feel anything negative left there. I said, I
do good work.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Come on, yeah, you know what you're doing.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Yeah, but I've had to remove demons from there a
couple of times, two or three times, and until it
was they finally sold it, and then I spoke with
the people that bought it, like in the beginning of
this year, and walked through them with it. So I
did the removal once again for the location. So that
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they could, you know, not have problems.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
You mentioned that prisons and men facilities are commonly or
commonly have problems with demonic entities. Is it because of
when the people were alive that they were attacked or
possessed by these things and they hung around after people died?
Why is that?
Speaker 3 (32:18):
There's a lot of anger there. There's a lot of
fear there. There's a lot of hate there. You know,
all of the negative emotions that attract these things, that
feed them. You know, they basically feed off of the
negative emotions, and so you know, it's like a candy
store for him. You know, Manson had the demon with
him until the day he died. I mean, the other
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president would didn't want anything to do with him at
all because can you can imagine because the demon's sitting
there with him?
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Oh yeah, I could see it when I looked at
his face. It was horrible. M We got a question
from the chat, what are the invisibles in whole trees?
And they live in my yard and my parents get
very ugly at night.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
Why usually what you're going to find in the hollows
of the trees are the elementals. They're you know, different kinds.
What you or I would call a gnome. But you know,
little short guys. But they can be very mean and
nasty if you're disrespecting the land or the you know,
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the water, the trees, animals, anything like that. If you're
disrespecting it, they can be pretty darn nasty. I'm telling you.
They can even attack you. Look at Left Castle over
in Ireland. You know they can do it.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Oh, tell us that story.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
Well, it's just I just know that there's one there.
I was supposed to fly to Ireland and I ended
up not going because there was we were late getting
to the airport. But I did remove a demon from
Hampton Court, which was the summerhouse of Henry the Eighth.
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I ran into Henry while I was there. I have
my friend Howard Hughes. He used to do the Unexplained Files.
He's recently crossed, but he took me on a tour
of it because he lived by it, and he said, really,
I want you to go with me and we'll do
an interview at Hampton Court. So my son was with
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me and we went to Hampton Court and we had lunch.
They have like a cafeteria, so we had lunch and
then we walked into the main hall, and the minute
we opened the door into the main hall, another door
opened to the left of me at the end, and
out pokes Henry the Eighth and he took one look
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at me and he said, which I'm like, fight me.
You're ugly and you're fatter than your picture. And he
slammed the door. Where Power's like, what was that? I'm like,
you don't really want to know.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Do you find that places that have a history are
are more susceptible to having ghosts?
Speaker 3 (35:22):
I think so because there's so much life and so
much death, especially you know, you've got you've got buildings
that are you know, hundreds of thousands of years old,
you know, formations like Stone Hinge. When I went there,
that was quite interesting. For about ten miles outside of Stonehenge,
I could see encampments and it was just you know,
fires burning people at the people, you know, cooking and
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things like that and camping, you know, and it's like
this guy is quite interesting. You know. Then you get
to Stonehenge and it's like, wow, this is cool. But
they won't let you go up to them anymore and
touch them, you know, they won't let you do that. Anymore.
So what I did was I took off my sandals,
my bare feet on the ground. I could see everything.
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I could see the building of it. I could see,
you know that they need to go down another ten
feet before they'll find anything more. Yeah, things like that.
I could see it all happening. I could see the
stones being placed and everything. It was quite interesting. The
suns like what are you looking at? I'm like, oh,
just the past.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Did you get a time frame when it was built?
Speaker 3 (36:30):
Oh? I didn't know. I didn't really ask and I
didn't look for a time. I just know it was
they were gather hunters at the encampment, and that it
was used as a place for worship and a place
to to give thanks for the harvests, for the hunting.
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Everything like that. There were ceremonies there.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
We've got another question. So I think my house has
a lot of demons. No one here ever gets along.
It's like they hate seeing me wake up positive. Wow,
maybe you ought to uh call June.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
There's some you know that they like I said, it's
like the demons like sitting in the cat among the pigeons,
so to speak. You know, they'll, you know, they can
cause problems without even attaching themselves to you. Them just
being in the neighborhood though, really ruined the neighborhood.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
And if you have someone who has an attachment, it
doesn't just affect the individual that the demons attached to it,
it affects everyone within their inner that person's inner circle.
Things start going bad. There starts being you know, fighting
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even when you've never fought before, You've never had any arguments.
You know, you wake up one morning and you want
to kill your husband for no reason, and you're like,
what the heck? You know, why am I feeling this way?
And I'm basically poking at you causing.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Issues, kind of like having PMS all the time.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
Yeah, there you go. Yeah yeah, on steroids.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Yeah, it would be oh my goodness. In your European travels,
did you ever run across elementals that we were speaking
of earlier, fairies, elves, things like that.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
Oh yeah, there was quite a few of them hanging
out around Roslin Chapel when I went to Scotland. Uh,
and that was quite interesting. We went to have friends
over there and we went to they took me to
Roslin Chapel and it's like, here's all these all these
little outtle mental skittering all over the place. They were
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just happy as clams, you know, pixies what people call fairies, gnomes.
You know, they're just like they're having a good time.
And a friend of mine, my friend was her her
husband says like, I don't believe in things like that.
I said, well, come over here, and he's like, so
we go into the crypt which is in the basement
of you know, Rosslyn Chapel, and he's like, he's standing
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over against the wall on the left side and he says,
I keep hearing these voices. Where are they coming from.
I looked at him and I said, you're standing in
front of a portal. You're going to hear the worst voices.
I took a picture of it and you could see
the white portal behind him. It's like and then I
took him outside. There's a graveyard out behind it behind
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Rossalm Chapel, and I said, you want to you want
to feel something fun, and he goes yeah. I said,
come over here and put your hand on this tombstone.
And what it was was, you know, you know they
have where they have this huge like vessel and it's
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got like a cloth draped over it, you know, like
they used to do back in the day. I said,
put your hand on this vessel and out. He says,
it's vibrating. I said, of course. I said, there's a
white portal here, a white light portal. I said, come
around this way and read who's reads who's buried there?
And he came around and it was the guy's name
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was Reverend Brown. I said, see, even in death, he's
heralding people to the other side. He's got the portal
going on here. He's like, I've never felt anything like
that before. I'm like, yeah, well they're around.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
Have you ever found anything like that in the United States?
Speaker 3 (40:48):
Oh? Yeah, they're all over the place. Unfortunately, there's a
lot of dark, dark portals as well. I'll usually i'll
come like a person will contact me and say, you know,
I've got a lot they're like activity in my house
and I don't understand it. And it's like it's not bad,
but it's a lot of activity. I said, well, just
send me a picture of your house, you know, the
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outside of your house. Ye'll send me a picture. I'm like, oh,
that's because in your bedroom, in the walking closet, there's
a white light portal. I said, it's a swinging door.
I said, people are coming and going, Spirits are coming
and going. They're passing through. I said, so you're going
to get a lot of activity. I said, I'm not
going to close it. I said, but I will move
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it out of your house so I don't get so
much activity. So I just moved the portal.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
Are the portals is something that would have been there
before the house was constructed and is independent of the house.
Speaker 3 (41:44):
Yeah, it's it's definitely independent, just like the dark portals.
You know, they're they're independent of whatever structure is there,
because you know, to the dark ones, they don't even
see the structure. It's like it's nothing. It's and you
can see that look like funnels, you know, like a tornado.
I grew up in Kansas. It looked like a tornado,
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and you know with the tails embedded in the ground,
and so you know that they're fixed points and then
you go and you build on top of them, not
that stuff off. You know.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Well, people just don't have the power of discernment. They
don't see the portals before they start building, or if
they're a builder, they.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
They think about the money and that's all they think about.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
And structures create portals.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
Not unless you It depends if you're in it. One
of the things I learned on the other side was
that intention is everything. It's like thought becomes reality in
the dark room as well as the light realm, and
it is the intention behind the thought that gives it power.
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So if your intention, say you want to build the castle, okay,
and your intention is to make it a fortress against
demons or against the light, then everything that's put every
stone you put into it is going to have that
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intention behind it. It's like you know this is or
you know this is. I'm going to build a gate,
and this gate is going to be made out of
stone and it's going to keep out anything bad. So
when you make that, when the bricklayer, when you lay
the bricks down or the stones down, or the metal,
it will absorb that intention and it will do its job.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
Okay, that makes sense, really does. You've got some books out,
quite a few books out. How many of you written
ten or eleven? Okay, you've got this one?
Speaker 5 (44:00):
Yea?
Speaker 2 (44:01):
What is this about?
Speaker 3 (44:02):
Demon's here was? I wrote it. It took me about
a year and a half to write it. It's all
about how negative entities and negativity in itself affects the
world that we live in right now. And there's a
couple of really good chapters on there's a chapter on protection,
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and there's a chapter on how to help yourself and
where to find help. And Carl Johnson and his brother
gave me permission to put their information in their father
Bob Bailey. My information's in there. It's a lot of
different people that you know will help, and so I
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put all that information in there, and it's it talks
about how the demons work in the physical world and
how to find you know, how to be able to
see quote unquote see them.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
And where can people get that book?
Speaker 3 (45:01):
All my books are available on Amazon dot com. They're
also in audible. They're also audible books as well.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
Oh fantastic. I know so many people want to do
the audible books now.
Speaker 3 (45:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
Yeah, it's much more convenient when you're especially if you're
traveling a lot.
Speaker 3 (45:20):
Yeah, I already going to work in the morning, or
you have long trip to work or back listen.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
Yeah, and then this book you don't have, it's not
out yet, But what is it about.
Speaker 3 (45:32):
It's called Return of the Demon's layer. Okay, what it
is is my bio. Ariel was Ariel originally had her
first life was in an eleven ninety eight ady. She
was sent back. A woman called that cried out to
God and said, you know, I'm possessed by a demon.
Please help me. Okay, So God sent Ariel down and
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Ariel was pissed because this woman had summoned the demon,
and so she reached in as she ripped the demon
out of the woman's body, and the woman died. And
God said, you know you have no compassion for man.
You know this isn't the first time this has happened.
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So your punishment is to go back and live human
lives until you learn to have compassion for mankind. Well
this is like number one thirty one, so you know, okay,
not that she's not stubborn, because she's absolutely stubborn, but
working on it. Yeah, but this is her last lifetime,
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so she's made a lot of progress in this lifetime.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
My goodness, what are some of your other books?
Speaker 3 (46:50):
I have? The first one I wrote was called A
Medium's Guide to the Paranormal. And God said, I want
you to write a book, and I'm like, okay, and
He's like, I don't care what you put in it,
he says, but I want you to put in there
that I want people to know that I do hear
their prayers, that I give people what they need, which
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is not necessarily what they want. He says. I don't
care what else you put into it. So I put
a lot of information into it, basic information into it.
And then I wrote Dark Encounter. I wrote Paranormal Encounters
Book one and two, and those are some of my
paranormal personal paranormal encounters that I've dealt with. And then
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I wrote one because people were after me about I
did a body Mind Spirit expo and people were telling me,
you know, you can give a lecture I want, you know,
talk about angels and stuff like that. And I'm like, no,
everybody talks about angels. It's not what I want to
talk about. So I did a lecture called The Dark
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Side of the Paranormal that was late getting into the
lecture and it was standing room only, and people were
coming by after the lecture and thanking me for talking
about it. Yeah, and a lot of them are wickens
and things like that. You know, we've always been told
don't think about it. Don't read about it, don't you know,
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because they'll call them to you. As I got told them,
I said, if they want you, they'll find you. Reading
about it is not going to make any difference, you know,
plain and simple, they'll find you. And so I wrote
The Dark Side of the Paranormal. It took me a
little while to write it because the dark Ones didn't
want me to publish it because it gives away a
lot of their secrets. It gives away with their fears,
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you know, their weaknesses, their strengths. They don't like that stuff.
Speaker 2 (48:47):
They don't want their secrets out.
Speaker 3 (48:48):
They don't. So I wrote that one.
Speaker 2 (48:52):
And those are all available at Amazon.
Speaker 3 (48:55):
Yeah, and then I have Out of Time, which is
a paranormal romance. It's kind of different because it's told
from the It's told from the view of the angels,
the animals, and the humans.
Speaker 2 (49:15):
Got a question from chat. One day, I heard a
growling that seemed to be a dinosaur. It was so scary,
and I called a friend and asked if he could
hear anything when I held up the receiver and he
asked what was causing the growling? Was that an evil
endity checking me out? It happened in my kitchen, but
there was nothing there.
Speaker 3 (49:34):
Yeah, it can be a lot of times. That's a
signature for them. They want to see what you're going
to do if you hear it, you know, if you say,
you know, screw you, then they'll move on.
Speaker 1 (49:49):
Right.
Speaker 2 (49:49):
But what they're looking for is a fear reaction.
Speaker 3 (49:52):
Right, Yeah, they're looking for fear, looking for worry, anxiety,
anything negative like that. Then they're like, oh, we've got
a lie one. But if you just blow him off
then and it'll probably happen more than once, and just
to make sure that you're not really what they want.
Speaker 2 (50:07):
So, so you have been doing this for a long
time and you've seen a lot of things. Is there
ever anything that does nerve you now or are you
used to it?
Speaker 3 (50:20):
No? No, nothing, I've seen too many things over my
sixty seven years. Yeah, no, I mean I've seen everything
from harpies to you know, to Lucifer himself.
Speaker 2 (50:35):
So what does Lucifer look like? For real?
Speaker 3 (50:41):
For real? He's about seven eight feet tall, He's all
shades of gray and black and charcoal, and his what
passes for a face has no features except eyes, and
the eyes are golden. And if you look into those eyes.
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You'll see every evil you could ever imagine, a thousand times,
you know, worse. And in his eyes. That's why nobody
ever wants to see what I see, because I see
all of that.
Speaker 2 (51:20):
When you had your out of body experience when you
died in the motorcycle accident, did you see Heaven, Hell, purgatory,
any of those things?
Speaker 3 (51:32):
Oh? Yeah, I was. When I was at the other
end of the light. Michael was there, My grandparents were there,
and he's like, come here, I want to show you something,
Michael says, So I'm like okay, and this bay window
magically appears, and he says, look down there, and I'm
looking and I see the earth and I see all
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these strings coming up from the earth. He says, you
see those strings that are lit up? And I'm like, yeah,
those are like workers. Those are people that have made
the sole connection. The ones that are dark are ones
that people that are not light workers and have not
made the soul connection. I'm like, okay, so what about hell?
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Does hell exist? And he turned me around. We walked
a few steps, because you know, that's how the human
mindset says it happens, and he weighed his arm and
this huge black opening opened up. It looked like some
sort of a tar pit of some sort. The screams
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that were coming from it were horrific, and you could
see that there were people were reaching up trying to
get help, reaching up, trying to crawl out of it.
And they waved his arm and it went back, it disappeared.
I said, okay, I get it downstairs. Downstairs is real,
and so is upstairs. Okay, I get it now.
Speaker 2 (52:58):
Okay, So that's a good remind to intend to go upstairs.
Speaker 3 (53:02):
Yeah. Yeah. People always think, you know, you can sell
your soul to the devil, but you can't. You can't
sell what you don't own.
Speaker 2 (53:14):
No, no, well, gosh, this has been absolutely fascinating. Is
there anything any information or advice that you'd like to
leave everybody with tonight?
Speaker 3 (53:26):
The biggest piece of advice I could give is, you know,
if you see something negative, or you think you see
something negative, whether it's in your home or whether you're
on an investigation, do not acknowledge it. To acknowledge it
is to make it see you, and you do not
want it to see you. Ever.
Speaker 2 (53:51):
That is good advice, and that is what I tell
people as well.
Speaker 3 (53:56):
Yeah, and if you think you do have some thing there,
don't sage your house. If you think there's a demon
in your house, don't sage because A they'll just laugh
at you. B it'll piss them off because they'll say, oh,
well they know we're here, so let's just wrap things up.
Speaker 2 (54:18):
Yeah. Yeah, well I could talk to you forever. You know,
there's a lot of cases that I can think of
right now that I'd like to talk to you about,
but we'll have to do that another time. Thank you
so much for being on the show tonight, June. I
appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (54:36):
Yeah, thanks for having me. I enjoyed myself.
Speaker 2 (54:40):
All right, Well, this is Margie K with Unexed News
and we will see you here next week.
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My guest tonight is June Lundren. She was raised by
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her maternal grandmother, a psychic medium. She grew up communicating
with ghosts, spirits, angels, animals, and seeing demons in their
true form. June has been helping people with their paranormal
concerns for many years. She started removing demons after she
died in a motorcycle accident in nineteen eighty six, and
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June specializes in negative entity removal. June is a psychic medium,
demon seer, animal communicator, international author, paranormal investigator, television and
radio personality, and founder of Ghosts and Girls Paranormal. Welcome
to the.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Program, June, Thank you, it's good to be here.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Thank you so much for joining me this evening. There
aren't very many people out there that say they are
demon seers. So I'm gonna ask you of the normal
question that I ask everyone. How did you get get
interested in this subject?
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Well, when I was a little kid, and I was
like my grandmother raised me for the first five years
of my life. And she's a psychic medium, and she
knew there was a prophecy that was handed down in
our family from the fourteenth century, and she knew the
minute that she held me that I was the fulfillment
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of the prophecy. The prophecy was there would be a
girl child that would be born and be able to
see here, communicate and remove demons. And so when she
held me, she knew that I was the one. So
for the first five years she taught me everything she knew.
And of course I've always been able to communicate and
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see Michael, the archangel, and the others, Gabriel, Raphael, and
of course you know, I could see demons, but up
until I was about four and a half, I saw
them as most humans do either, you know, kind of
a black blob or shadow type person, that sort of thing.
But it changed for me when I was about four
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and a half. I saw them in their true forms.
And Michael came to me and he said, you know,
you're seeing them through the eyes of an angel. You
have to understand, this is how we see them. We
see them as they truly are. They make humans see
them as they wish to be perceived, but they can't
do that with you. And so I've been dealing with
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you know, I've been watching demons and learning about them,
Michael said. When I was five, he said, I want
you to watch them, want you to learn how they
work because you're going to need it later in life.
And I'm like, Okay, when you're a kid, you think, oh,
it's a game. So you start watching them, start listening
to them because they speak in Aramaic and my brain
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is hardwired to interpret, so I hear their speech. I
hear what they're saying, and they can't hear me if
I don't want them to hear me. So the first
time I actually dealt with one as one on one
was when I was in the military. I was I
was working in the emergency room and we had a
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call that came in for a young man who was
missing and nobody had seen him for like three days.
So we got a call from the tech sergeant said,
you know, we're going to open up his room because
I'm sure they were afraid that he was dead in there.
So we went in. I opened up the door and
I could see the young man curl up in a ball,
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against the wall and then I heard a sound and
over to the left I saw a demon floating a
pod porter. I told the tech that was with me,
I said, you need to getting out of here, and
we need to get out of here now. So we
got him out of there, took him back to the
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hospital and putting in the one of the rooms exam rooms,
and I went to the company to start an IVY
and when I came back in, the demon was leaning
over him, trying to take out his life. Oh my,
that was the first time when underknownst to me. Ariel
the archangel came forward and she said, she told him
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this one belongs to us, not you, and whatever he
saw in my face, he left in a hurry. But
so I started the IVY and I saw him. He
has spent about a week in the hospital. I found
out somebody had put he was a chaplain's assistant and
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somebody he was at a party. Somebody had put PCP
in his soda.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Oh that'll do it.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
So he was out like three days solid. So I
saw him before he left and he said, you know
what he says, I had this stream. He said, in
the stream, a demon was trying to take my soul
and a female warrior angel. She was big. She's huge,
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and she told him, no, this one is not for you.
This one Blonge says. She saved me. And I said, oh, well,
that's just God's way of telling you you've got your back.
Don't worry about it. And he went home.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Yeah, because you couldn't tell him the whole story because.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
At that time I wasn't aware of it. But in
nineteen eighty five, when I died on my motorcycle accident,
a woman ran a red light and hit me, trashed
my bike. But I went to the other side and
my grandparents were waiting for me, and Michael was waiting
for me, and he says, you have to understand who
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and what you are. He said, you are not this
physical being that you see. And then he touched my
forehead and I morphed into somebody else I was. I
looked like him. Archangels are seven foot tall twelve foot wingspan,
and they're just like so bright and they glow. And
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he says, this is who you truly are. He said,
your body was created to hold the soul of Aerial,
the archangel. She's a demon slayer. She was sent back
to learn to live physical world lives, to learn to
have compassion for mankind because she had no compassion. And
of course, for her, that's the worst, the worst of
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all things to happen was to be in a physical show.
But she said, he said, this is what you need
to do. Your job is to start helping people, helping mankind.
You're going to be battling demons. You're going to be
killing them. And this is what you're supposed to do.
And that was in eighty five and I've been doing
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it ever since.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Wow, okay, what a job.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Yeah, that's why I said, you're gonna give me something
very fairy. You have to give me something where I
have to take out the trash. What's up with that?
Speaker 2 (09:08):
You know you mentioned earlier the PCP that the young
man had djusted. Yeah, somebody gave him. How does do
drugs and alcohol affect people and make them more susceptible
to possession? Say?
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Well, it opens them up. It's you know wherey Normally
you would have a guard, you know, you would guard
your mind. You know, you would be in total control
of your mind. But when you have drugs on board,
you're not in control anymore. It leaves you open. It's
like opening the door me like you or me opening
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our front door and said, come on down. Yeah, everybody,
come on in. I'm gonna unlock it in, come on in,
and that's all and they just step right in.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
And there could be some bad stuff in there.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Oh yeah, a lot the bed stuff.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Have you ever dealt with the children being possessed?
Speaker 3 (10:09):
One? One child? A female child back east? Somebody you
know called me in for it and I did the removal.
But it's it's not as prevalent as people would believe
because they're more into adults. Because adults can do more,
they can cause more destruction. So that's really where it's at.
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And most people think, oh, you know, if you have
somebody that's possessed, it's twenty four to seven, But really
it's not. Because the dark ones don't want to be
in a shell either, so they will come and go
at will but once unless you have more, you know,
if you have more than one, then there's always going
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to be one. So to speaking residence, I had a
lady that had eleven of them for twenty years and
it was just she was like, you know, when I
got through at the removal, there was I got through.
I removed ten of them and then there was the
last one to get rid of, and it wasn't didn't
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want to leave, so I didn't want to harm the woman.
But I can look into the demon's mind and find
out why it's there, how it found this person, what
it's you know, why it found the person in the
first place. And I found out that it had been
given a job to do by Lucifer and it just
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but didn't bother to do it. This just went on
as merry way and said screw you, basically, and Lucifer
was looking for it, and yeah, I told the demon,
I said, listen, you can go back into the light
if you want. I said, but you have to really
want it, and you have to be truly repentant for it.
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And it seemed respond to that, so I said, you know, Jesus,
come forth. And I had two people with me. One
was ordained minister and the other one is one the
other girl in my group, and they both stepped aside
as this huge hand came out towards the woman and
I told the demon, I said, there you go. You
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can go into the light if you want to. But
then it pulled back and said no, no, no, I can
never go home. I can never go to the light.
And so I you know, I'm like, I'm not going
to mess with it, you know, I'm like, so be it.
I said, Lucifer, come forth, and my friends kind of
freaked out for a second as this this figure came
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up the hallway. It appeared at the end of the
hallway and advanced towards this and what they saw was
a dark figure with a fedora, double breastles, suits, bats,
that type of thing. I saw it in its true form,
but that's the image that wanted to project into their minds.
So they saw Lucifer in that way, and Lucifer came
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came towards the woman and he told the demon. He
called out his name. I said, you come on with me,
and the Demon's like, no, I'm not coming, I'm not leaving.
And Lucifer looked at me and said, I know you
don't want me to harm the woman, so I will
be back for it tonight. So he turned around, walked
away and disappeared. And so I told the woman, I said,
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they're all gone but one. I said, Lucifer will be
back for it tonight. So we all went home and
we all woke up on our beds at three am
and heard Lucifer say it's done.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Aha.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
So I called the woman the next day and she's like,
I haven't felt empty like this and over twenty years.
I said, please get some you know, get some counseling.
I said, you have PTSD from having these things than you,
so get counseling. And she did.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
And did she put some protection up?
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Yeah, Do you counsel people about that too?
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Oh yeah, because a lot of people think some of
the stupidest things will protect you and they won't. After
dealing with them for you know, forty eight years, I
can tell you that some of the stupidest disinformation that's
out there is ridiculous. You know, walk around in a
circle backwards three times, I'll protect you. I'm like, oh
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my god, really, okay, I want to see that one.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
What do you suggest people do for protection?
Speaker 3 (14:39):
Well, there's a couple of things that you can do.
You can, of course, you know, if you want to
protect your home, you know, you can get holy water
and put the sign of the Cross over each and
every opening window door and ask for protection and ask
for God to protect it. You can get I make
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a black salt. The recipe was given to me by
God and Jesus, and so I put you know, I
make up the black salt, and or usually if I'm
going on a location, I'll take them the black salt
and you'll lay it down around the perimeter of your
home and you'll keep anything negative out, you know. And
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the and prayer. Prayer is powerful. And then mentioning the
name of Jesus and God is very powerful for protection.
But some of the stuff they have, white salt, don't
do anything. People think, oh, just put some white salt down. No,
only if you want to keep a human ghost out, maybe,
I said, But it ain't going to help you with
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a dark one, not one little bit.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
What do you know about the hat man? Is the
hat man actually Lucifer.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
No, he's a minion, you know, that's the thing. He's Lucifer's.
He's one of Lucifer's minions. But there is one that
most people see and it's like really tall and dark
and has this big hat on and has red eyes.
And that's Lucifer's second in command.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Okay, I do know certain people who have seen it.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Yeah, because they have. He has his first in command,
second and third and they keep things going.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Why do they attack people who are what you would
what you'd say mostly good, you know, they're very positive people.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Well, it's it's a challenge for them. Really. It's like
my friend who's ordained minister, and he had one attack
him and try to attach yourself to him, and I
got I got rid of it. But the thing is,
it's a feather in their cap if they can get
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someone who's a light worker or someone who is you know,
has great faith. It's like it's a challenge for them
to turn. They want to turn you against God, against
the That's what it's all about. The thing is most
people don't understand that the war between Heaven and Hell.
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People think it's like, I don't know, they come up
with the screwiest ideas. I can tell you from seeing
it through Aeriel's eyes, that it was we were all
physical beings at one time, except you know, God and Jesus.
But we were all physical beings at one time, and
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we over the years, we evolved into pure energy, and
then we traveled the galaxies for hundreds of thousands of years,
saw everything you could see, experienced everything you could and
then one day the people, you know, the soul said, listen,
you know, we're tired of this. We've seen everything, we've
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done every thing. We want to have physical bodies again.
And Lucifer and his followers didn't want to have anything
to do with that. Oh no, no, you don't. We
do not want that. We do not want to be
subject to a shell where we can, you know, suffer
pain and disease and discomfort of any kind. You know,
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we want to be free to travel. And so that's
what started the war, and it was a war of
light in the beginning, because you know, Lucifer rose up
against God and Lucifer and his followers his son.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
And.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
There was a big battle and Lucifer was disarmed by
Michael and Ariel disarmed his son. And God said, I'm
going to give you exactly what you want. You're never
going to be able to take on physical form, but
you can't live among us. So he opened a rift
into a dark room and he put him in there,
and he told Lucifer, this is your kingdom now, and
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he sealed the rift. And there are two archangels that
are guarding the rift the opening. So that's actually what
started the war between Heaven and Hell, and they attack
physical beings because every physical being has a white light soul.
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And at first, when they were put in the dark realm,
they were happy about it because, you know, they could
do their own thing. They weren't subject to anybody telling
them what to do or anything. But over the hundreds
of thousands of years, they grew angry and vengeful and
just nasty, plain and simple. They've become part of the darkness,
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and so they attack the white light souls because they
feel that it's the white light souls that put them
there in the first place. So they're going to make
their life.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Oh my goodness, I've got so many questions. So is
there any particular part of well, we'll just say in
the United States itself that is more prone to demonic encounters.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Anywhere where there is a prison, any place where there's
a mental institution, anywhere that there was a battle and
blood was built there, you're going to They're attracted to
these locations, and anywhere where there's extreme death. You know
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you're going to find them there because there it's like,
you know, it's like somebody opening it, just putting up
a free beer sign, come on down, you know.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
You know, I often wonder and a lot of my
paranormal investigations i'll run across. Let's say we go to
a cemetery, run across a few souls that are still
hanging out there. Are they subject to possession? By remaining
there or remaining on the earth after they.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Pass, they run the risk of becoming puppets for the
Dark Ones if they're not strong enough. What will happen
is like, say you have I had someone I gave
the Black Saul to. They laid it down in everything
and it kept out the dark ones. But there were
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human souls that were serving the dark Ones, not on purpose.
Basically they were enslaved, and so they can get through
the dark the black Salt. Because they're human souls, they're
not demanded, and so they would cause the person to
have nightmares, you know, pull them out of bed, scratch them,
do all kinds of things, you know. Whereas because the
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demons can't get to them, so they would send it
a human soul.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Oh boy, well that's even more evil. Goodness, there's a
lot going on here. I when I was younger, I
was playing in a band, and about towards the end
of the evening, I noticed these little like two foot tall,
demonic looking creatures with wings sitting up behind the bar,
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and at a certain time, they flew out, and they
flew into the top of the heads of three men
on the dance floor, and they immediately changed their personality.
They wanted to fight. They were being very aggressive. It
was obvious what had just happened. So do you have
any tips for people who might be having too much alcohol?
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Yeah, you have to be careful because those are what
I call the creepy Cali dudes. They're the minions of
the demons. You know. They're kind of like I like
them to pimps because they look for victims.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Okay, they go out and they.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Find victims for their mass. They're either a lesser demon
or an old demon, but at nine times out of
a tense, a lesser demon. But you need to, you know,
people need to be aware that if suddenly somebody's whole attitude,
temperaments change, you know, then there's usually influence there from
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one of the dark ones, whether they're just like toying
with you, or whether they've made the idea, you know,
are investigating you because I've because it's not like the
demons can they see you and they say, oh, this
person's great. I'm just going to attach myself to that person. Now.
They will watch the individual. They will learn about them.
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They'll learn their weaknesses, their strengths, see how their faith is,
you know, what they want out of life. If they're
easily influenced, and if they meet all the criteria, then
the creepy Crawley dude will run back and tell us boss.
And then the boss will do much the same thing.
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He'll watch them, he'll test them, he'll, you know, see
what's important to them, what's not important to them, what
they can use as leveriges against you. You know. But
if they find that they're not good enough, if they
don't make a good victim, then the lesser demon will
slap the many in outside the head. They'll look for
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another victim.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
So is the ultimate goal to get them to cross
over to the dark side.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
Yeah, they want them to do. They want to create
as much hell on earth for them as they can.
And usually the symptoms of the attachment are, you know,
everything starts going in the toilet. Your finance is going
the toilet, your relationships go on the toilet, your health
goes in the toilet. You know, that's how they work.
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They're all about causing all of this, and their idea
is to isolate you, to take away your support system
and you know, people that would help you, people that
would be close to you, and so that you have
nobody to help you. And then they start working on
your brain. They start telling you you're never going to
get away, You're never going to get rid of them,
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that God's forsaken you, and you know you belong to us,
so you might as well start doing what we want.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Nice messages. Goodness, okay, folks, we're up on a break.
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Speaker 2 (27:34):
Uh and we're back with the next news. I'm your host,
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Margie k and this evening, my special guest is June
Lundgren and we are talking about the dark side of
the paranormal. June, you also have a paranormal investigation group.
Tell us about that.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Yeah, years ago, I formed one that was different because
I was a member of different several different paranormal investigation groups,
but none of them, well most of them didn't want
to deal with the dark ones or anything dark. So
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I formed my own group called Ghosts and Girls Paranormal
and it's just it's what it began with just me
and another girl, and we've just recently added one more
to the group. But we specialize in negative entity removal
and I identification, and it's I can do removals from
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a distance, and a lot of the ones that I
do are from a distance, because you know, I can't
fly to Florida, or I can't fly to South Carolina
or one of the other places you know. So if
people send me a picture of a location or a
picture of the individual, then I can do the removal.
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I can see what's there and remove it.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
And here's your logo. Yep, that's cute. So you don't
have to be on site. Is it easier if you're
on site?
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Now? It's just as easy for me to do either way.
Like I went to England in for the first time
in twenty seventeen and there was a place there called
the Cage, so medieval. It was a medieval women's prison.
It was the most haunted location in all of England.
And they add demons there and stuff, and I was
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over I was over there and a friend of mine says, hey,
give me a call and I said I can't. I'm
in the UK. And she's like, well, maybe you can
help this woman. And I'm like, okay. She says, she has,
you know, demons in the location where she in her house.
I'm like, all right, just you know, send me her
information and I'll contact her. So I did. I contacted
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her and she says, usually I don't bother to answer
people regarding this, and I said, well, you know, just
send me a picture of the location and I'll do
the removal. So later that day she sent me a
picture of the location and I removed it while I
was on the treadmill. Yeah, I got an exercise, you know.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
And she talked to me. She said, you know, I've
got a famous American psyche coming in tomorrow to go
through the house and he doesn't deal with darkness. And
I'm like, well, he can come in. I said, I
removed everything. I said so, and she said it was
Chris Fleming, and I'm like, yeah, I know, he doesn't
do dark I said, you can. He can come in.
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There's no problem now. And so he came in the
next day and she got a hold of me afterwards
and said, you're right, there's nothing left there. There was nothing.
He couldn't feel anything negative left there. I said, I
do good work.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Come on, yeah, you know what you're doing.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Yeah, but I've had to remove demons from there a
couple of times, two or three times, and until it
was they finally sold it, and then I spoke with
the people that bought it, like in the beginning of
this year, and walked through them with it. So I
did the removal once again for the location. So that
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they could, you know, not have problems.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
You mentioned that prisons and men facilities are commonly or
commonly have problems with demonic entities. Is it because of
when the people were alive that they were attacked or
possessed by these things and they hung around after people died?
Why is that?
Speaker 3 (32:18):
There's a lot of anger there. There's a lot of
fear there. There's a lot of hate there. You know,
all of the negative emotions that attract these things, that
feed them. You know, they basically feed off of the
negative emotions, and so you know, it's like a candy
store for him. You know, Manson had the demon with
him until the day he died. I mean, the other
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president would didn't want anything to do with him at
all because can you can imagine because the demon's sitting
there with him?
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Oh yeah, I could see it when I looked at
his face. It was horrible. M We got a question
from the chat, what are the invisibles in whole trees?
And they live in my yard and my parents get
very ugly at night.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
Why usually what you're going to find in the hollows
of the trees are the elementals. They're you know, different kinds.
What you or I would call a gnome. But you know,
little short guys. But they can be very mean and
nasty if you're disrespecting the land or the you know,
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the water, the trees, animals, anything like that. If you're
disrespecting it, they can be pretty darn nasty. I'm telling you.
They can even attack you. Look at Left Castle over
in Ireland. You know they can do it.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Oh, tell us that story.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
Well, it's just I just know that there's one there.
I was supposed to fly to Ireland and I ended
up not going because there was we were late getting
to the airport. But I did remove a demon from
Hampton Court, which was the summerhouse of Henry the Eighth.
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I ran into Henry while I was there. I have
my friend Howard Hughes. He used to do the Unexplained Files.
He's recently crossed, but he took me on a tour
of it because he lived by it, and he said, really,
I want you to go with me and we'll do
an interview at Hampton Court. So my son was with
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me and we went to Hampton Court and we had lunch.
They have like a cafeteria, so we had lunch and
then we walked into the main hall, and the minute
we opened the door into the main hall, another door
opened to the left of me at the end, and
out pokes Henry the Eighth and he took one look
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at me and he said, which I'm like, fight me.
You're ugly and you're fatter than your picture. And he
slammed the door. Where Power's like, what was that? I'm like,
you don't really want to know.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Do you find that places that have a history are
are more susceptible to having ghosts?
Speaker 3 (35:22):
I think so because there's so much life and so
much death, especially you know, you've got you've got buildings
that are you know, hundreds of thousands of years old,
you know, formations like Stone Hinge. When I went there,
that was quite interesting. For about ten miles outside of Stonehenge,
I could see encampments and it was just you know,
fires burning people at the people, you know, cooking and
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things like that and camping, you know, and it's like
this guy is quite interesting. You know. Then you get
to Stonehenge and it's like, wow, this is cool. But
they won't let you go up to them anymore and
touch them, you know, they won't let you do that. Anymore.
So what I did was I took off my sandals,
my bare feet on the ground. I could see everything.
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I could see the building of it. I could see,
you know that they need to go down another ten
feet before they'll find anything more. Yeah, things like that.
I could see it all happening. I could see the
stones being placed and everything. It was quite interesting. The
suns like what are you looking at? I'm like, oh,
just the past.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Did you get a time frame when it was built?
Speaker 3 (36:30):
Oh? I didn't know. I didn't really ask and I
didn't look for a time. I just know it was
they were gather hunters at the encampment, and that it
was used as a place for worship and a place
to to give thanks for the harvests, for the hunting.
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Everything like that. There were ceremonies there.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
We've got another question. So I think my house has
a lot of demons. No one here ever gets along.
It's like they hate seeing me wake up positive. Wow,
maybe you ought to uh call June.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
There's some you know that they like I said, it's
like the demons like sitting in the cat among the pigeons,
so to speak. You know, they'll, you know, they can
cause problems without even attaching themselves to you. Them just
being in the neighborhood though, really ruined the neighborhood.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
And if you have someone who has an attachment, it
doesn't just affect the individual that the demons attached to it,
it affects everyone within their inner that person's inner circle.
Things start going bad. There starts being you know, fighting
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even when you've never fought before, You've never had any arguments.
You know, you wake up one morning and you want
to kill your husband for no reason, and you're like,
what the heck? You know, why am I feeling this way?
And I'm basically poking at you causing.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Issues, kind of like having PMS all the time.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
Yeah, there you go. Yeah yeah, on steroids.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Yeah, it would be oh my goodness. In your European travels,
did you ever run across elementals that we were speaking
of earlier, fairies, elves, things like that.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
Oh yeah, there was quite a few of them hanging
out around Roslin Chapel when I went to Scotland. Uh,
and that was quite interesting. We went to have friends
over there and we went to they took me to
Roslin Chapel and it's like, here's all these all these
little outtle mental skittering all over the place. They were
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just happy as clams, you know, pixies what people call fairies, gnomes.
You know, they're just like they're having a good time.
And a friend of mine, my friend was her her
husband says like, I don't believe in things like that.
I said, well, come over here, and he's like, so
we go into the crypt which is in the basement
of you know, Rosslyn Chapel, and he's like, he's standing
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over against the wall on the left side and he says,
I keep hearing these voices. Where are they coming from.
I looked at him and I said, you're standing in
front of a portal. You're going to hear the worst voices.
I took a picture of it and you could see
the white portal behind him. It's like and then I
took him outside. There's a graveyard out behind it behind
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Rossalm Chapel, and I said, you want to you want
to feel something fun, and he goes yeah. I said,
come over here and put your hand on this tombstone.
And what it was was, you know, you know they
have where they have this huge like vessel and it's
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got like a cloth draped over it, you know, like
they used to do back in the day. I said,
put your hand on this vessel and out. He says,
it's vibrating. I said, of course. I said, there's a
white portal here, a white light portal. I said, come
around this way and read who's reads who's buried there?
And he came around and it was the guy's name
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was Reverend Brown. I said, see, even in death, he's
heralding people to the other side. He's got the portal
going on here. He's like, I've never felt anything like
that before. I'm like, yeah, well they're around.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
Have you ever found anything like that in the United States?
Speaker 3 (40:48):
Oh? Yeah, they're all over the place. Unfortunately, there's a
lot of dark, dark portals as well. I'll usually i'll
come like a person will contact me and say, you know,
I've got a lot they're like activity in my house
and I don't understand it. And it's like it's not bad,
but it's a lot of activity. I said, well, just
send me a picture of your house, you know, the
(41:09):
outside of your house. Ye'll send me a picture. I'm like, oh,
that's because in your bedroom, in the walking closet, there's
a white light portal. I said, it's a swinging door.
I said, people are coming and going, Spirits are coming
and going. They're passing through. I said, so you're going
to get a lot of activity. I said, I'm not
going to close it. I said, but I will move
(41:31):
it out of your house so I don't get so
much activity. So I just moved the portal.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
Are the portals is something that would have been there
before the house was constructed and is independent of the house.
Speaker 3 (41:44):
Yeah, it's it's definitely independent, just like the dark portals.
You know, they're they're independent of whatever structure is there,
because you know, to the dark ones, they don't even
see the structure. It's like it's nothing. It's and you
can see that look like funnels, you know, like a tornado.
I grew up in Kansas. It looked like a tornado,
(42:05):
and you know with the tails embedded in the ground,
and so you know that they're fixed points and then
you go and you build on top of them, not
that stuff off. You know.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Well, people just don't have the power of discernment. They
don't see the portals before they start building, or if
they're a builder, they.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
They think about the money and that's all they think about.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
And structures create portals.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
Not unless you It depends if you're in it. One
of the things I learned on the other side was
that intention is everything. It's like thought becomes reality in
the dark room as well as the light realm, and
it is the intention behind the thought that gives it power.
(42:57):
So if your intention, say you want to build the castle, okay,
and your intention is to make it a fortress against
demons or against the light, then everything that's put every
stone you put into it is going to have that
(43:17):
intention behind it. It's like you know this is or
you know this is. I'm going to build a gate,
and this gate is going to be made out of
stone and it's going to keep out anything bad. So
when you make that, when the bricklayer, when you lay
the bricks down or the stones down, or the metal,
it will absorb that intention and it will do its job.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
Okay, that makes sense, really does. You've got some books out,
quite a few books out. How many of you written
ten or eleven? Okay, you've got this one?
Speaker 5 (44:00):
Yea?
Speaker 2 (44:01):
What is this about?
Speaker 3 (44:02):
Demon's here was? I wrote it. It took me about
a year and a half to write it. It's all
about how negative entities and negativity in itself affects the
world that we live in right now. And there's a
couple of really good chapters on there's a chapter on protection,
(44:24):
and there's a chapter on how to help yourself and
where to find help. And Carl Johnson and his brother
gave me permission to put their information in their father
Bob Bailey. My information's in there. It's a lot of
different people that you know will help, and so I
(44:46):
put all that information in there, and it's it talks
about how the demons work in the physical world and
how to find you know, how to be able to
see quote unquote see them.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
And where can people get that book?
Speaker 3 (45:01):
All my books are available on Amazon dot com. They're
also in audible. They're also audible books as well.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
Oh fantastic. I know so many people want to do
the audible books now.
Speaker 3 (45:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
Yeah, it's much more convenient when you're especially if you're
traveling a lot.
Speaker 3 (45:20):
Yeah, I already going to work in the morning, or
you have long trip to work or back listen.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
Yeah, and then this book you don't have, it's not
out yet, But what is it about.
Speaker 3 (45:32):
It's called Return of the Demon's layer. Okay, what it
is is my bio. Ariel was Ariel originally had her
first life was in an eleven ninety eight ady. She
was sent back. A woman called that cried out to
God and said, you know, I'm possessed by a demon.
Please help me. Okay, So God sent Ariel down and
(45:56):
Ariel was pissed because this woman had summoned the demon,
and so she reached in as she ripped the demon
out of the woman's body, and the woman died. And
God said, you know you have no compassion for man.
You know this isn't the first time this has happened.
(46:17):
So your punishment is to go back and live human
lives until you learn to have compassion for mankind. Well
this is like number one thirty one, so you know, okay,
not that she's not stubborn, because she's absolutely stubborn, but
working on it. Yeah, but this is her last lifetime,
(46:41):
so she's made a lot of progress in this lifetime.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
My goodness, what are some of your other books?
Speaker 3 (46:50):
I have? The first one I wrote was called A
Medium's Guide to the Paranormal. And God said, I want
you to write a book, and I'm like, okay, and
He's like, I don't care what you put in it,
he says, but I want you to put in there
that I want people to know that I do hear
their prayers, that I give people what they need, which
(47:13):
is not necessarily what they want. He says. I don't
care what else you put into it. So I put
a lot of information into it, basic information into it.
And then I wrote Dark Encounter. I wrote Paranormal Encounters
Book one and two, and those are some of my
paranormal personal paranormal encounters that I've dealt with. And then
(47:36):
I wrote one because people were after me about I
did a body Mind Spirit expo and people were telling me,
you know, you can give a lecture I want, you know,
talk about angels and stuff like that. And I'm like, no,
everybody talks about angels. It's not what I want to
talk about. So I did a lecture called The Dark
(47:57):
Side of the Paranormal that was late getting into the
lecture and it was standing room only, and people were
coming by after the lecture and thanking me for talking
about it. Yeah, and a lot of them are wickens
and things like that. You know, we've always been told
don't think about it. Don't read about it, don't you know,
(48:18):
because they'll call them to you. As I got told them,
I said, if they want you, they'll find you. Reading
about it is not going to make any difference, you know,
plain and simple, they'll find you. And so I wrote
The Dark Side of the Paranormal. It took me a
little while to write it because the dark Ones didn't
want me to publish it because it gives away a
lot of their secrets. It gives away with their fears,
(48:41):
you know, their weaknesses, their strengths. They don't like that stuff.
Speaker 2 (48:47):
They don't want their secrets out.
Speaker 3 (48:48):
They don't. So I wrote that one.
Speaker 2 (48:52):
And those are all available at Amazon.
Speaker 3 (48:55):
Yeah, and then I have Out of Time, which is
a paranormal romance. It's kind of different because it's told
from the It's told from the view of the angels,
the animals, and the humans.
Speaker 2 (49:15):
Got a question from chat. One day, I heard a
growling that seemed to be a dinosaur. It was so scary,
and I called a friend and asked if he could
hear anything when I held up the receiver and he
asked what was causing the growling? Was that an evil
endity checking me out? It happened in my kitchen, but
there was nothing there.
Speaker 3 (49:34):
Yeah, it can be a lot of times. That's a
signature for them. They want to see what you're going
to do if you hear it, you know, if you say,
you know, screw you, then they'll move on.
Speaker 1 (49:49):
Right.
Speaker 2 (49:49):
But what they're looking for is a fear reaction.
Speaker 3 (49:52):
Right, Yeah, they're looking for fear, looking for worry, anxiety,
anything negative like that. Then they're like, oh, we've got
a lie one. But if you just blow him off
then and it'll probably happen more than once, and just
to make sure that you're not really what they want.
Speaker 2 (50:07):
So, so you have been doing this for a long
time and you've seen a lot of things. Is there
ever anything that does nerve you now or are you
used to it?
Speaker 3 (50:20):
No? No, nothing, I've seen too many things over my
sixty seven years. Yeah, no, I mean I've seen everything
from harpies to you know, to Lucifer himself.
Speaker 2 (50:35):
So what does Lucifer look like? For real?
Speaker 3 (50:41):
For real? He's about seven eight feet tall, He's all
shades of gray and black and charcoal, and his what
passes for a face has no features except eyes, and
the eyes are golden. And if you look into those eyes.
(51:03):
You'll see every evil you could ever imagine, a thousand times,
you know, worse. And in his eyes. That's why nobody
ever wants to see what I see, because I see
all of that.
Speaker 2 (51:20):
When you had your out of body experience when you
died in the motorcycle accident, did you see Heaven, Hell, purgatory,
any of those things?
Speaker 3 (51:32):
Oh? Yeah, I was. When I was at the other
end of the light. Michael was there, My grandparents were there,
and he's like, come here, I want to show you something,
Michael says, So I'm like okay, and this bay window
magically appears, and he says, look down there, and I'm
looking and I see the earth and I see all
(51:53):
these strings coming up from the earth. He says, you
see those strings that are lit up? And I'm like, yeah,
those are like workers. Those are people that have made
the sole connection. The ones that are dark are ones
that people that are not light workers and have not
made the soul connection. I'm like, okay, so what about hell?
(52:14):
Does hell exist? And he turned me around. We walked
a few steps, because you know, that's how the human
mindset says it happens, and he weighed his arm and
this huge black opening opened up. It looked like some
sort of a tar pit of some sort. The screams
(52:35):
that were coming from it were horrific, and you could
see that there were people were reaching up trying to
get help, reaching up, trying to crawl out of it.
And they waved his arm and it went back, it disappeared.
I said, okay, I get it downstairs. Downstairs is real,
and so is upstairs. Okay, I get it now.
Speaker 2 (52:58):
Okay, So that's a good remind to intend to go upstairs.
Speaker 3 (53:02):
Yeah. Yeah. People always think, you know, you can sell
your soul to the devil, but you can't. You can't
sell what you don't own.
Speaker 2 (53:14):
No, no, well, gosh, this has been absolutely fascinating. Is
there anything any information or advice that you'd like to
leave everybody with tonight?
Speaker 3 (53:26):
The biggest piece of advice I could give is, you know,
if you see something negative, or you think you see
something negative, whether it's in your home or whether you're
on an investigation, do not acknowledge it. To acknowledge it
is to make it see you, and you do not
want it to see you. Ever.
Speaker 2 (53:51):
That is good advice, and that is what I tell
people as well.
Speaker 3 (53:56):
Yeah, and if you think you do have some thing there,
don't sage your house. If you think there's a demon
in your house, don't sage because A they'll just laugh
at you. B it'll piss them off because they'll say, oh,
well they know we're here, so let's just wrap things up.
Speaker 2 (54:18):
Yeah. Yeah, well I could talk to you forever. You know,
there's a lot of cases that I can think of
right now that I'd like to talk to you about,
but we'll have to do that another time. Thank you
so much for being on the show tonight, June. I
appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (54:36):
Yeah, thanks for having me. I enjoyed myself.
Speaker 2 (54:40):
All right, Well, this is Margie K with Unexed News
and we will see you here next week.
Speaker 1 (55:01):
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