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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Speaker 2 (00:46):
Good evening everyone, and welcome to UNEX News. We are
here this Friday evening and I'm your host, Margie K.
As usual, we have a very interesting show for you
this evening, and I do want to mention that we've
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more information and please join us so that will be
a live event next week. My guest this evening is
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Michael Brian I hope I did not destroy your last name,
aka the Travel Psychologist is an author, lecturer, travel storyteller, adventurer,
and publisher of travel books and guides. He regularly appears
in newspapers, magazines, blogs, and radio programs on the psychology
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of travel. Michael is the first to coin the term
travel psychology as such. Through his doctoral studies, work and
life experiences, and world travel, he has become the world's
first and perhaps only travel psychologists. Through his monthly magazine
Travel Tales Monthly and The Travel Psychologists Travel Tales Series,
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Michael regularly publishes the best travel tales of just about
seventeen hundred and fifty world travelers and adventurers that he
has interviewed during the last four decades of his own
travels to more than one hundred and twenty five countries.
Welcome to the program, Michael.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Hi, thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Did I destroy your last name? Pronunciation?
Speaker 3 (02:53):
To tell you the truth? My last name is pronounced
Brian like lyon and I'm telling the true.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Hey, Okay, Michael Brian, I am so sorry about that.
I actually had you on the program two years ago,
and in between times I forgot that, So thank you
for joining me again. You've got, as usual more books.
How many books have you written, by the.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Way, I have to count them once in a while.
Just about three dozen?
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Actually yeah, yeah, there were too many to count on
your website and other sites. And so you do have
a big interest in strange things. How did that start
out for you? Why did you get interested in the
paranormal and odd well things?
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Ever since I was a baby, I've had unusual things
happen in my life. I just really remember lying in
a crib one night. I think I must have had
a fever, and I was looking up at my window
the Venetian blinds in my room, and I saw little
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green elf come through the Venetian blinds and go into
my toy closet. And I mean, I've never seen anything
like that before, and never seen anything since. Now I wonder,
years and years later, could that have been an alien
or wasn't an elf? I don't know for sure. But
at another time, growing up, little kid, I must have
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had this little kid called Madame Blovotsky's psychic, whatever it was,
and I know it was in there with my toys
and stuff, and one day I looked in there and
it was gone. So I think my mother wanted to
dispense with it post hasten the trash, but nobody could
squelch my interests. As a teenager, I saw that either
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it was a Look magazine or Life magazine. Remember that
picture of a UFO kind of swooping a over the
sky somewhere in the west. And I read that article
and I've been riveted to the subject ever since, not
the least of which is I have had more than
my fair share of paranormal type events. Now I have
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not had direct UFO events, but I make I began
a serious interest in that, got involved with Moufan, played
the role of the state director for Hawaii for years
with Moufon and wal Andrews actually had appointed me as
Ambassador at large. Sounds like a really amazing title. But
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I was doing a lot of traveling, and I was
visiting people overseas and even got pulled into giving a
lecture in what's that little country in northern Italy? I
can't think of it. Where the mouse that roared, Oh
northern Italy. H anyway, it's its own country and kay.
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And there were a lot of great speakers on that
occasion that I happened to be there, and there was
John Mack talking and Stanton Friedman. Oh yeah, a lot
of the famous, famous people from the past. Anyway, I
traveled a lot, interviewed people all over said nice things
about Moufon in my travels around the world, gone to
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hundreds of conferences, symposia and conferences.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
You mentioned some paranormal experiences. Would you like to share
one with us that stands out?
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Yeah, Well, the heavier parts of that is I knew
when the days when my both my parents had passed away,
you know, become aware of things like that I've had
that I've had, and we'll talk more about it as
we go on. I've had numerous synchronicities, way more than
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my share. I've had instances of telepathy where not only
were people saying I was guessing correctly what they were thinking,
but they were guessing together what I was thinking as well.
So you had that joint thing going on. Well, that's interesting.
I think I can accept that as probably being valid
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and true. Incredible premonitions while traveling in a couple of
cases where, for example, I had parked my Volkswagen bus
in downtown in the suburbs of Barcelona, and I was
going back on the train to get back to my van,
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and I just had this horrible premonition which got worse
and worse and worse. Fearful. I was fearful, so it
was out of the ordinary. I got to my van
and I was walking along the street and saw broken
glass and somebody had tried to break into the van,
and a couple, an older Spanish couple, came up to
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me and said, your alarm on your car was ringing
for three hours. The thieves jump back in the car
got nothing. I got a dead battery. But that was
definitely such a strong experience, that so out of the ordinary,
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that oddly enough, maybe other people feel the same type
of experience you know very often and experience as a
paranormal one because of the strength of it, how it
affects you and your reaction, it's qualitatively different from other
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kinds of experiences. So I've had a lifetime of this
sort of thing.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
It seems that people who experience the paranormal have indeed
experienced it their entire life as I have, and we
also seem to attract each other. For lack of a
better word for that, it seems that you know, you
meet a stranger and you just happened to mention one thing,
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and yeah, they're into the same thing, and they've had
many of the experiences that you have, such as seeing spirits.
Have you seen ghosts or spirits?
Speaker 3 (09:30):
I had an interesting experience along the Rhine River in Disseldorf, Germany.
I was teaching for the University of Maryland in Europe
on US military installations. A German couple that who we've
befriended each other invited me to come visit. I was
going to do a jog along the river bank and
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then come there in the morning meet them for breakfast.
So it was nights. During the night I had this
auditory The best word I can say is an auditory
hallucination where I heard a chorus of voices sad, deeply
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sad and riveting, and I could not attribute it to
any external sound coming into the bus, the BW bus.
It was not coming from my mind, and I was
deeply moved by this. In the morning, I was out
jogging along the river bank and I would say, no
more than one hundred yards or so. It was a
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cemetery a holocaust, I think on the voices of people
mourning m O U R N I N G explanation
for it. It was like souls gathered there and it
was a very moving experience. So I forget how we
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led into that, but yes, just one of a variety
sometimes that's called Claire Audion experiences or.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Yes, what it is, what it's called.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Yeah, So I thought that was interesting to come across
a cemetery very close to where I was. I attribute
my experience to that cemetery, and of course I've heard
other people in my interviews of that number is up
now from six hundred to approximately two thousand interviews over
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four to five decades as an update to that. So,
I basically have done my own personal research and writing
on the basis of asking people about their experiences as
personal stories or personal memoirs. My way of researching for
the various books I've written and I'm writing now.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
You're PhD. Did you design your own degree when you
went to school? Because I had never heard of a
degree in travel psychology before.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Well, you have zeroed in on an amazing experience I had.
I want to share this because I'm sure a lot
of people in the audience have had varying degrees of
involvement in master's degrees, PhDs, bachelor's degrees. I went to
the University of Hawaii to do my PhD, and I
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had been bitten by the travel plug before that. Now
I walked away from ready for this a full fellowship.
If I had State at Temple University in Philadelphia and
done this, I would have had good federal money, which
is probably evaporating now as we speak. But so was
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there during the summer working for the Hawaii Visitors Bureau
to get some experience and tourism in Hawaii travel. And
here's day one of graduate school. Meet the faculty. So
they have all these faculty members sitting around a big
round table, and one little graduate student at a time
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coming in meet and humble and sitting down in a chair,
and all these eyes staring at you. Well, it was
my turn, and these two animal psychologists I call them
rat psychologists or the ones to question me. And they said,
what are you here for? Why are you here? What
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are you going to study? And I said, now picture this.
I went through the bachelor's degree and the master's degree
in the traditional psychology department, which is social science oriented
and no nonsense and stick with the program type thing.
And they said, well, what are you studying? Why are
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you here? And I looked up at them, I said,
I'm here to study the psychology of travel. Silence in
the room. You hear a pin drop, silence, all eyes
upon me, And then imagine this. I think I stood
up and I think I pointed pointed at said number one,
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who are you to define what this field is about?
And number two, if that's your attitude, I don't think
I want to be here. And I walked out of
the room towards the front door of the building, thinking
to my oh you sure did you did it this time?
Oh yeah, brilliant stroke. And then I hear running feet
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behind me other faculty members, two of them running down,
hand on the shoulder, stopping me, saying, just because they
said that doesn't mean the rest of us agree with them.
Get yourself back into the room. Oh I experienced that
was And I never had anything to do with the
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other two of these people ever. Again, never had any
interaction with him in my four or five years there.
In fact, one of them was disliked so much by
his own graduate students that they released his research Dolphins
into the Pacific Ocean, which is terrible. Yeah, I know, terrible.
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They disliked him so much, and I stood to my
guns and basically got the degree in social psychology. But
I concentrated on subjects I had to do with international
travel and international behavior and taught courses. For example, worked
for the University of Hawaii's Peace Court training program, took
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the language course with the trainees, learned about how to
adjust and adapt to live overseas, so on and so forth.
So I made that into a little sub discipline and
I've been involved with it ever since. Figuring the best
way to find out about the psychology of travel is
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to ask people. So I did what Forrest Gump would
have done. I interviewed a couple thousand people, and that's
the basis of my own personal research.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Well, we are going to talk about synchronicities this evening.
We will get to that. But on the travel subject,
I was interested in that because I've done quite a
bit of travel myself, and it's different. It is totally
different when you leave your home, especially when you leave
your home country. It is a culture shock when you
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arrive and you have people telling you that you're not
behaving correctly, that you're rude because you ask for bread
in a restaurant because you only are supposed to have
one piece of bread until they get to you in
thirty minutes or so, and that, and then the living conditions,
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they're always different, and sometimes they're horrible. I've seen some
things that you know in Jamaica that I couldn't believe,
little shanty towns and things that you're just not exposed
to in your home environment, and it is a shock.
So psychologically, what does that do to us?
Speaker 3 (17:38):
I think traveling is the fastest way that we learn
about life. And I joke around, I say, you know,
you think it's a big American custom, American in Canada
and Western is to send your kids to Europe for
a summer or college first semester. Why because we know
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deep down they're going to grow, they're going to learn,
they're going to mature, they're going to learn how to
deal with life in a relatively safe way. And so
I discovered it shouldn't be an amazing surprise to learn this,
but I discovered the fastest and most rewarding way that
we learn learning theory, psychological learning theory is while traveling overseas,
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when we're so much eat more, eager, and receptive of novelty.
Here's the thing extent so rewards when you've found something
on the menu you could eat, when you actually wound
up having a roof over your head for the night,
think about how immensely rewarding that is the first time
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you succeed and do something and have success. Well, traveling
is so rewarding that you learned in the facts quickest,
most amazing way, and most of it's good, So most
of it is exciting. Abraham Maslow's needs hierarchy. We all
have that in beginning psychology one oh one. You know,
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you have the pyramid. On the bottom is personal safety
and security, and you move up like having relationship with people,
love and all the way. At the top is achievement,
becoming all that you can be. So you know, most
of us know the example of mountain climbers who are
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climbing all the continents, all the mountains and all the
continents there. Why because it's so exhilarating to be rewarded
with the success of being more of who you want
to be so I have never found a better way
to learn and a more fun way to learn. And
I think that's what we do. I think that's a
lot of what we do in travel. I call it
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the Western walk about. After Seriously, when we send our
kids overseas, we're sending them out to their Western walk about. Well,
we don't say that to them, look right. To tell
you this, all right, I wrote a very serious book,
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Travel Tells Women Alone, The Meet to Travel, because I
had to try to help women travelers be safe, safer.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
That is, that is a good thing. Yeah, women do
need to know that. A lot of women just take
off Willy Nilla. Yeah, I'm going to go do this
by myself. My niece was one of those. She was
nineteen years old and traveled Europe, and then when she
was twenty, she went to Africa on her own, and
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oh my gosh, some of the things that she told
me situation she was in very, very dangerous and she
did not know any self defense. Even so, what do
you tell women who are going to plan to travel alone?
She did? Okay, lately she did, thank goodness.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Yes, yeah, Now, I've had a lot of stories told
to me about that that very thing.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Yeah, do you have some suggestions for women to make
to make them safer?
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Number one is, don't travel to those areas of the
world alone. It's better to be with someone or a
small group. That's the number one thing. And I wouldn't
try some of the super adventurous travel without a few
years under one's belt of regular getting more experience, turning
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into the traveler from the tourist, morphing from a tourist
into a traveler who has dealt with more situations and
realize that it's not always the way you behave back
at home. That you succeed to be safe and secure
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and travel, but the bad things are fewer and far
in between. But the potential is that we can all
have an occasional dangerous experience if we're not careful. You
have to learn you have to be sensible and not
do super dangerous things at the outset when you don't
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have enough personal experience. That would be my simple advice.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
That is good advice for anyone. Actually, sure, and yeah,
it's unfortunate that there are bad people in the world,
but we do have to be aware of that fact.
They're not all good. Uh, we were well, I had
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a few things happen well on our travels, and also
family members have as well where wherever we are, especially France.
For some reason, the French seem to hate the Americans.
Why is it that people in other countries don't like
visitors tourists. It seems to be just across the board.
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Why do you think that is?
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Well, the problem is of late over tourism. Maybe some
people have been seeing a very unpleasant example of some
things that were going on in Barcelona, what some of
the locals were doing. And I've been to Barcelona, like
I told it the outside of our interview, and Barcelona
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doesn't have as much tourism of interest for tourists at
some other places. So some of the areas of Barcelona
are getting absolutely overrun with people from higher socioeconomic statuses.
They earn more money, they have more money to spend,
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and they're outspending locals and they're causing prices to rise
to some extent. So what some people of Barcelona have
been doing, which is terrible, is squirting visitors with water pistols,
not hurting anybody, but it's so oh unfriendly and embarrassing.
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Nobody's getting hurt, But who wants to be shot with
a water pistol. Well, we have to learn to be
good travelers too, to some extent. But when you have
so many travelers and so much over tourism, you're going
to get some bad feelings. And it's good to try
to avoid being in a huge mess of tourists wherever
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you're going. You ever, everybody knows that picture of people
climbing Mount Everest with a long line of people. Yes, top,
Oh my god. Well, now Nepal is requiring proof in
the form of some kind of certificate that you've successfully
climbed another mountain somewhere else before you're going to go
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into this dangerous area unprepared to mountain climb properly.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
But well that's not a bad idea, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
That's true. Improvement has to come from all sides, from
we the visitors. We have to be more sensitive to
what can happen by overwhelming the local areas. It's the
same thing. You go into the wilderness. You observe animals
and plants and various species, and if your presence is
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so disturbing, well it ruins it for the native space season,
it ruins your experience. So we have to learn to
be good travelers, and we have to learn how to
morph from a tourist with very little experience to a
traveler who is a seasoned person and learns from his
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or her interactions with people overseas.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Okay, that's good advice, and we will take a short
break and be back right after this.
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Speaker 2 (29:08):
We are back with the next news. I'm your host
Archie K. In this evening, we are talking with Michael
Brian about various subjects, but right now I would like
to get to your book, The Road to Strange Synchronicity
Meaningful Coincidences. This really caught my eye, Michael. What gave
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you the idea for this book?
Speaker 3 (29:31):
I have as I was mentioning earlier collected tales and
a whole range of paranormal subject areas synchronicity, especially because
so many people have so many stories of quote unquote
meaningful coincidences happening to them. But remember I had mentioned
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earlier that I focused in on in one of my
books on people that that had multiple experiences of different
sorts of things. Well, I have had not only more
than my share of pairs of coincidences or synchronicity. You know,
things that you laugh at you think it's cute. All
you run into this person in another city and you laugh,
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and you think, oh, that's kind of neat. But when
you have intertwined, like three things that happened together, I
had a quintuple synchronicity, like a five part experience, any
two parts of which were unbelievable in and of themselves.
What do you do with a handful of components, any
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two of which were unbelievably unlikely to happen by chance,
but you have the whole package of it happening. Wow,
I can tell that experience.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Well, yes, I would love to hear that experience.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
Okay. At one point in time I had a travel
guide series, so remember I was mentioning Barcelona. I did
a travel guide series to sightseeing by public transportation, How
to go to the top fifty visitor attractions using public transit.
Very good thing to do. And that's how that Barcelona
story happened. Well, I had a bunch of these. I
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was living in southern Oregon at a Lama ranch at
the time. I was going to the book fair in
New York City. Round trip Medford, Oregon to Philadelphia, New York,
and then back again. I was on United Airlines last
days of May, stop by in Philadelphia visit my sister
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and her family, and took the train in New York
City for the book fair. On the train, I happened
to glance out the window. There's a signed Rahway New Jersey.
And I thought to myself, as we always do when
we go plass, but I know somebody from Rahway, New Jersey.
One forty two years earlier when I did one year
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of engineering at Carnegie Mellon and this was a senior
and I remember meeting a guy from Railway New Jersey.
That was item number one I go to the book
for oh. I grabbed a Hemisphere magazine out of the
pocket of United Airlines, thinking why don't I contact United
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and say, hey, I do a thing on public transit.
How about maybe a write up in your magazine. I
put it away to look at it. Do the book fair.
Get back now it's June, end of May, June. I'm back,
going back to Medford, Ashlan, Oregon. I pick up the
June issue of Hemisphere. Put that maatta shade. So I've
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now got two magazines I want to contact United talk
to them about it. And didn't even look at them.
Put them in the out of sharecase, went home, entered
the door back in Ashland, into the kitchen piles of mail. There,
grab a big envelope the size of eight and a
half by eleven Hemisphere Magazine June, issu staple business card
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to it. See page twenty four. Open it up. There's
a review of my travel guides right in that magazine.
One woh, pick up the magazine in the first place.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
For yeah, my goodness.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
My goodness. Well, I thought, oh wow.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
They had already done it and didn't even contact you.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Well, this is the way to tell me, send me
a magazine. They sent me a copy of magazine. I
had my shadcase. I thought, well this is interesting, but wait,
it gets worse all right. Now I go up to
my little loft office to see did I have any
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orders for these travel guides. I had fourteen of them
around the world, and I go up to my loft
office and look to see orders. And sometimes I'll get
an order from Spain or Ohio, or Texas or Mexico
for a copy of this or that. Here's an order
from Ashland, Oregon. Up the street.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Oh, I know what's coming.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
Never happen. I email the person back. I said, would
you like me to personally deliver these to you by hand?
Or would you like to come and see a lama ranch?
Speaker 4 (34:37):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (34:38):
And they said, we'll come and see the Lama ranch,
all right. I look at the name. The name is
the same person from Railway, New Jersey. Yes, I remembered
forty two years earlier. I emailed this lady back again.
I said, do you have, by any remote possible chance
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a person by the name of Jan J N. Chake
and C Cha I K E N which was his name?
The phone rings. I recognized the voice. I recognized his voice.
I didn't know him that well. I only talked to
him two or three times. I sang to him the
fraternity song. I'll sing one bar of it. Okay, water water,
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water that makes you feel you order in the halls.
In the halls, I better leave it at that. Okay,
did you ever sing that song? He said, No, I
never sang that song anyway. That was the Jen Chacken
from Railway, New Jersey who bought my travel guides in
the magazine that I wanted them to go into. Later,
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I said, how did you happen to see my guides? Oh?
We saw it in the Hemisphere's magazine and we compile
transit statistics crime statistics for the New York subway system.
So they came. We had a really nice, wonderful time.
We all shook our heads on this molible involved complicated synchronicity, uh,
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and wondered, and I kept wondering before as after, you know,
how does synchronosity work? What is going on? What is with?
And why did I have a molible synchronicities more than
just a chance of two things happening? Why do I
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have a lot of this happening and complex ones. So
that's an example of a quintuple synchronousity. Now, most of
the listeners in the audience, most of us have had
the simple synchronicities, and we all, you know, what we're
left with. Often I think is a simple message, pay attention.
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The universe can do this well indeed, and it does.
I mean, it's one thing to have a lot of
regular coincidence has happened. It's another to have more complex
ones happen. And I have had a number of complex ones.
So the message to me is pay attention. There's another
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operating principle in the universe. To understand that it has
its it does things, has its workings. Now, so it
doesn't surprise me so much when I hear about the
occasional person who wins two or three lotteries. You know,
we've all heard of, right, right, not only once but
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maybe twice. And people that get struck by lightning. That's
not such a good thing. But so a look in
these little books I'm doing. I call them short, shorter
take books, you know, with sixty five to one hundred pages.
I like to take some of the paranormal subjects and
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look at some of the stories that people have shared
with me on those little topics and put them in
their own books. Well, it just came out with one
which is fascinating to me called The Road to Strange
Makumba and other Rights. And now Makumba is not necessarily
a bad thing. It is like voodoo is often thought
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of as a religion as well as something that has
its scarier, spookier parts. But I use the word makumba
to mean rights and rituals that come from religious traditions
maybe between Africa, Brazil and other exotic countries where people
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from one country have moved to another, and there are
mostly religious and spiritual practices that are common, you know,
to get healthier and stay healthier and all these things.
But I've looked at the stories of where people have
shared with me certain things. Now some of the stories
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are a little scary. For example, an er doctor friend
of mine who worked on an Apache reservation helping citizens
become healthier, you know, government programs and long story short,
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he went out on a date, nothing serious, with a
girl that was a niece of a woman that did
not like the idea of her daughter dating outside of
Apaches okay, and supposedly she inflicted a curse on Dave.
And Dave is a very spiritually and metaphysically oriented person
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with lots of experiences, and he's quoted vociferously throughout my books.
And Dave discovered he felt that he had something negative
placed upon him since he was a doctor helping people
on this particular Apache reservation. There were other patients who
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were friends of his and helped him in one supposedly,
you know, as the story goes, was able to reverse
this unfortunate curse. And it's funny, Doctor Dave, a patient
would come into the clinic and be randomly assigned to
one of five doctors. Well, the woman who allegedly the
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aunt who allegedly placed this spell on Dave for behaving
the way she didn't like him to be. Dave saw
her put his arm around her very nice and gently
and said, you put a curse on me, didn't you. Well, oh,
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go on, Well, I mean, it's an interesting story, and
a lot of my stories, most of my stories that
I've gathered and collected, I feel there's a lot of
credibility to these aspects of them. Maybe not all totally
acceptable in conventional terms, but this was a rite that
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happened in our practice that was righted r I, G
H T D, and just interesting to focus on. In
this case. The Makumba and other rights is to bring
out some of these examples from the various interviews of
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this aspect I haven't really seen much of this sort
of thing anywhere else. But I'm now taking little sub
aspects of various paranormal subjects and pulling out some nice examples.
And here's what's exciting to me, Margie. I've been applying
AI to come up with its own analysis quote unquote,
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own from my collection of transcribed interviews. So who use
a program called otter like the animal O T T
E R dot AI taking my two thousand or so
interviews transcribe them. Now I can do a keyword search.
I can do a keyword search ritual excuse me, ESP
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anything I want to search, and it will come up
with all the stories that the keyword appeared in. And
I can pull out stories because I can't keep them
all in my head, and I can. Also they added
a feature of AI saying you want to ask AI
a question about your materials. So I would say to AI,
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talk to AI as if it's a friend. Tell me
about synchronicity and DejaVu. This is another good example. Oh yeah,
tell me about dejav and it would say, Michael addresses me, Michael,
take a double take, Michael. I found a number of
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references to deja vu in your stories, and it would
seem that's there's this these aspects of A, B, C,
and D of these different deja vu experiences that people
have had blah blah blah blah blah. So I take that,
write that up where it's interesting and informative to some extent,
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certainly some new ideas. Have you dealt with AI yet
in your personal research?
Speaker 2 (43:46):
Oh well absolutely.
Speaker 3 (43:48):
You got to look into that because yeah, stuff, I
mean there's a lot being expressed. Oh this is scary.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
But it is. It is kind of scared, but it's
fascinating too.
Speaker 3 (44:02):
It's fascinating. I haven't seen anything negative or right.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
Yeah, right, you brought up the deva deja vous subject.
I was going to ask you about that, to see
if you had stories tales from people or yourself as well.
Speaker 3 (44:22):
I just listed my book. Yeah, but let me say this,
because I was focusing pulling deja vous stories from from
my two thousand interviews, I also came across and I
named them in French. I think the French should be
thanked for deja vu, which has already been seen.
Speaker 4 (44:44):
Right.
Speaker 3 (44:45):
The two other things ready on a lance vo meaning
seen in advance. I've had at least a couple of
people that have claimed they had complete conversations that they
thought of which happened later exactly as they recall these
I call the future thing. And then I have the
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other one on ensemble le vous, which translates from French
together VU's where I've had people tell of experiences where
other presences of other people are there and they're looking
at one another, and they're saying, what are you doing
in my mental space? In my dream space? What are
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you doing here? Why am I in your space? As
if as if they converged in the same space time
portal together for an interaction. I don't know whether it
was intentionally the case or not, but it's fascinating to me.
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So I expanded the idea of dejas vous a little
bit more into other coincidentally appearances. Let me give you
a quick example, a quick story. This was a woman
who said that when she was a little girl in
school in Okinawa, where her father was in the American military.
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She was at an American school and she was a
little bit of a slower learner, and these kids were
teasing her and pushed her into a closet and shut
the closet on her terrible thing. And she said she
saw in her mind's eye in that closet a World
War two type of Japanese soldier if you can picture
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what the Japanese soldiers looked like. And he was looking
at her and speaking Japanese as if to say to
her what are you doing here? Who are you? And
she had the same type of experience. There was nothing
harmful was going to happen. The man was the soldier
was bewildered, and she was bewildered. And that was her story.
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I had several other stories of that, of the appearances
of people vis a vis one another and they can't
understand how they could be together in the space time
portal and I haven't come Yeah that have you ever
run into that?
Speaker 2 (47:20):
Well, I'll tell you what I have run into. That's
kind of similar to that. And that is different people
having the exact same dream and then discussing it the
next day and everyone knows what's going to happen next
because they both had the same dream. How do you
think that happens?
Speaker 3 (47:38):
I think that's related to what I'm talking about. Yeah, well,
it reinforced, you know, the whole notion of space time
portals is relatively new, isn't it. I mean, it doesn't
go that far back. We're hearing more and more of
that sort of thing. People in a space time distorted
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environment where different things happen. Well, maybe that's how Maybe
that's how people enter different space time and come back.
Maybe they find themselves. I keep thinking about boy, I'll
bet the skinwalker ranch, I'll bet they have stumbled onto
space time portal stuff and that spherical thing. You know,
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absolutely moving in the direction of hearing and thinking more
about these sorts of things. I don't remember talking about
space time portals years ago. This was not something that
was in our common vernacular, so you and I.
Speaker 2 (48:41):
Know, but more people are experiencing them. And as an investigator,
I work with other investigators, and we are finding more portals,
they're becoming more obvious, they are opening, it seems to
me more often. And then we're now able with new
equipment that's available, like spectrum analyzers things like that, where
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we can find one point six of gigahertz when a
portal is opening, and then right after we see UFO
fly through. You know, there's evidence that this is real
and it's happening, And I just wonder how long the
government has known about this and how they've utilized them
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to the point that we would be stunned at what
they're actually doing with it.
Speaker 3 (49:33):
That's right, and ergo, while we're not hearing too much
about it beyond a point certain point. So that is fascinating,
and so is that something that's gets the interests of ages,
because when we're entering the age of discovery of such
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paranormal quote unquote paranormal things, space, time portal possibilities than
we ever had before, and we probably hadn't had the
sise idea how you enter this and leave this where
maybe we're on the fine line of discovering and moving
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in this direction.
Speaker 2 (50:19):
Oh sure, I think so. We had a person from
Kansas City several years ago, actually from Liberty, Missouri, north
of Kansas City, became very famous and he said he
was a time traveler. He had invented a time machine,
and then one day he and his time machine were
disappeared and have never been seen or heard from since.
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So he left and didn't come back. It's pretty wild. Well,
we are Colley almost at a time. But I want
to just throw a few of your books up here.
If you could tell us a little bit about each one.
Speaker 3 (50:57):
Well, the taxis everybody's had a taxi experience, including me,
and there's nothing like an interracultural experience. Nothing more discombobulating
at times as getting in a taxi and trying to
figure out, well, I ever walk out of this taxi
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somewhere else again, and we'll be provided to go. Well.
I have a lot of funny taxi stories. That's part
of my series True travel Tales, And by the way,
one of those books I feature very prominently in it's
called travel Tales Idiots Abroad because more than my fair
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share of idiotic but funny, good and educating experiences.
Speaker 2 (51:44):
That sounds like a good one. I've had so many
disastrous experiences while traveling, and the taxi one I think
was the worst for me. So I will have to
share that with you sometime. And then we've got to
the road to strange deja vu that we were talking
about just a minute ago.
Speaker 3 (52:02):
And there'll be more. This is okay.
Speaker 2 (52:06):
I did join and True Tales, Travel Tales of the
Paranormal and beyond.
Speaker 3 (52:11):
Yeah, she was such a great person to work with
and be a friend with. Rosemary. You met Rosemary probably.
Speaker 2 (52:19):
Oh yeah, I knew her. She was very nice and
it's very busy.
Speaker 3 (52:23):
Universe again is the one where I pull out stories
of people who seem to have mobile repeat types of
experiences with the UFOs or the paranormal and supernatural stuff
and ghosts and whatnot.
Speaker 2 (52:39):
How can people get your books?
Speaker 3 (52:43):
They should go to UH if you could post this
to be so much easier books to read dot com
forward slash and my name Michael hyphen Brian b r
E I N and you can read about them and
see and UH. By the way, I'm now able to
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do audiobooks using a AI because it's reasonably good and
it sounds so human and Draft to Digital who I
use to publish. Maybe you have heard of it or haven't.
It's a terrific publishing self publishing portal that costs nothing.
They just share some of the revenue of their sales.
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Draft the number two to look into that.
Speaker 2 (53:29):
I will look into that. I've been wanting to do
that for me and my publishing company with a lot
of authors and thinking about you.
Speaker 3 (53:38):
Why don't we talk person to person about that for
just a session and I'll share with you about it because.
Speaker 2 (53:44):
I would love to. Yeah, I would appreciate that. So
The Road to Strange Synchronicity Meaningful Coincidences by Michael Brian.
Thank you so much, Michael for spending some time with
us this evening. I appreciate it, and we will get
together soon and hopefully I'll have you come back sometime. Okay, wonderful,
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Thank you so much. Well, that is it for another
edition of Unexed News. Thank you so much for joining
me this evening, and as always, if you have questions,
you can send me an email at k u n
X Radio at gmail dot com. You can also check
my website out at margik dot com. And I will
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see you here again next week, of course,
It's time for the UNEX News News. Extraterrestrials, time Anomalies,
dimension dimensions, remote viewing, UFOs, UAPs and USO's, ghostly encounters, abductions,
Bigfoot and more more, your end of the week news
(00:24):
source for everything everything unexplained. Here is your host for
the UNEX News podcast, Margie K.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Good evening everyone, and welcome to UNEX News. We are
here this Friday evening and I'm your host, Margie K.
As usual, we have a very interesting show for you
this evening, and I do want to mention that we've
got a lot going on here at the X and
one of the things we've been working on are a
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series of workshops. They're on various subjects that I think
you'll find very interesting. We've got a brand new one
that we've just added to the mix and it is
about herbal medicine and that is by Kimberly kc craile.
She's the host of Weeds of Wisdom right here on
the X, so please do check that out. And we
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have some other new ones coming soon, including a live,
brand new workshop that will be on July nineteenth, so
please watch your newsletter for that. You'll get you'll see
more information and please join us so that will be
a live event next week. My guest this evening is
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Michael Brian I hope I did not destroy your last name,
aka the Travel Psychologist is an author, lecturer, travel storyteller, adventurer,
and publisher of travel books and guides. He regularly appears
in newspapers, magazines, blogs, and radio programs on the psychology
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of travel. Michael is the first to coin the term
travel psychology as such. Through his doctoral studies, work and
life experiences, and world travel, he has become the world's
first and perhaps only travel psychologists. Through his monthly magazine
Travel Tales Monthly and The Travel Psychologists Travel Tales Series,
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Michael regularly publishes the best travel tales of just about
seventeen hundred and fifty world travelers and adventurers that he
has interviewed during the last four decades of his own
travels to more than one hundred and twenty five countries.
Welcome to the program, Michael.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Hi, thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Did I destroy your last name? Pronunciation?
Speaker 3 (02:53):
To tell you the truth? My last name is pronounced
Brian like lyon and I'm telling the true.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Hey, Okay, Michael Brian, I am so sorry about that.
I actually had you on the program two years ago,
and in between times I forgot that, So thank you
for joining me again. You've got, as usual more books.
How many books have you written, by the.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Way, I have to count them once in a while.
Just about three dozen?
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Actually yeah, yeah, there were too many to count on
your website and other sites. And so you do have
a big interest in strange things. How did that start
out for you? Why did you get interested in the
paranormal and odd well things?
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Ever since I was a baby, I've had unusual things
happen in my life. I just really remember lying in
a crib one night. I think I must have had
a fever, and I was looking up at my window
the Venetian blinds in my room, and I saw little
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green elf come through the Venetian blinds and go into
my toy closet. And I mean, I've never seen anything
like that before, and never seen anything since. Now I wonder,
years and years later, could that have been an alien
or wasn't an elf? I don't know for sure. But
at another time, growing up, little kid, I must have
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had this little kid called Madame Blovotsky's psychic, whatever it was,
and I know it was in there with my toys
and stuff, and one day I looked in there and
it was gone. So I think my mother wanted to
dispense with it post hasten the trash, but nobody could
squelch my interests. As a teenager, I saw that either
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it was a Look magazine or Life magazine. Remember that
picture of a UFO kind of swooping a over the
sky somewhere in the west. And I read that article
and I've been riveted to the subject ever since, not
the least of which is I have had more than
my fair share of paranormal type events. Now I have
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not had direct UFO events, but I make I began
a serious interest in that, got involved with Moufan, played
the role of the state director for Hawaii for years
with Moufon and wal Andrews actually had appointed me as
Ambassador at large. Sounds like a really amazing title. But
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I was doing a lot of traveling, and I was
visiting people overseas and even got pulled into giving a
lecture in what's that little country in northern Italy? I
can't think of it. Where the mouse that roared, Oh
northern Italy. H anyway, it's its own country and kay.
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And there were a lot of great speakers on that
occasion that I happened to be there, and there was
John Mack talking and Stanton Friedman. Oh yeah, a lot
of the famous, famous people from the past. Anyway, I
traveled a lot, interviewed people all over said nice things
about Moufon in my travels around the world, gone to
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hundreds of conferences, symposia and conferences.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
You mentioned some paranormal experiences. Would you like to share
one with us that stands out?
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Yeah, Well, the heavier parts of that is I knew
when the days when my both my parents had passed away,
you know, become aware of things like that I've had
that I've had, and we'll talk more about it as
we go on. I've had numerous synchronicities, way more than
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my share. I've had instances of telepathy where not only
were people saying I was guessing correctly what they were thinking,
but they were guessing together what I was thinking as well.
So you had that joint thing going on. Well, that's interesting.
I think I can accept that as probably being valid
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and true. Incredible premonitions while traveling in a couple of
cases where, for example, I had parked my Volkswagen bus
in downtown in the suburbs of Barcelona, and I was
going back on the train to get back to my van,
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and I just had this horrible premonition which got worse
and worse and worse. Fearful. I was fearful, so it
was out of the ordinary. I got to my van
and I was walking along the street and saw broken
glass and somebody had tried to break into the van,
and a couple, an older Spanish couple, came up to
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me and said, your alarm on your car was ringing
for three hours. The thieves jump back in the car
got nothing. I got a dead battery. But that was
definitely such a strong experience, that so out of the ordinary,
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that oddly enough, maybe other people feel the same type
of experience you know very often and experience as a
paranormal one because of the strength of it, how it
affects you and your reaction, it's qualitatively different from other
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kinds of experiences. So I've had a lifetime of this
sort of thing.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
It seems that people who experience the paranormal have indeed
experienced it their entire life as I have, and we
also seem to attract each other. For lack of a
better word for that, it seems that you know, you
meet a stranger and you just happened to mention one thing,
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and yeah, they're into the same thing, and they've had
many of the experiences that you have, such as seeing spirits.
Have you seen ghosts or spirits?
Speaker 3 (09:30):
I had an interesting experience along the Rhine River in Disseldorf, Germany.
I was teaching for the University of Maryland in Europe
on US military installations. A German couple that who we've
befriended each other invited me to come visit. I was
going to do a jog along the river bank and
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then come there in the morning meet them for breakfast.
So it was nights. During the night I had this
auditory The best word I can say is an auditory
hallucination where I heard a chorus of voices sad, deeply
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sad and riveting, and I could not attribute it to
any external sound coming into the bus, the BW bus.
It was not coming from my mind, and I was
deeply moved by this. In the morning, I was out
jogging along the river bank and I would say, no
more than one hundred yards or so. It was a
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cemetery a holocaust, I think on the voices of people
mourning m O U R N I N G explanation
for it. It was like souls gathered there and it
was a very moving experience. So I forget how we
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led into that, but yes, just one of a variety
sometimes that's called Claire Audion experiences or.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Yes, what it is, what it's called.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Yeah, So I thought that was interesting to come across
a cemetery very close to where I was. I attribute
my experience to that cemetery, and of course I've heard
other people in my interviews of that number is up
now from six hundred to approximately two thousand interviews over
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four to five decades as an update to that. So,
I basically have done my own personal research and writing
on the basis of asking people about their experiences as
personal stories or personal memoirs. My way of researching for
the various books I've written and I'm writing now.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
You're PhD. Did you design your own degree when you
went to school? Because I had never heard of a
degree in travel psychology before.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Well, you have zeroed in on an amazing experience I had.
I want to share this because I'm sure a lot
of people in the audience have had varying degrees of
involvement in master's degrees, PhDs, bachelor's degrees. I went to
the University of Hawaii to do my PhD, and I
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had been bitten by the travel plug before that. Now
I walked away from ready for this a full fellowship.
If I had State at Temple University in Philadelphia and
done this, I would have had good federal money, which
is probably evaporating now as we speak. But so was
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there during the summer working for the Hawaii Visitors Bureau
to get some experience and tourism in Hawaii travel. And
here's day one of graduate school. Meet the faculty. So
they have all these faculty members sitting around a big
round table, and one little graduate student at a time
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coming in meet and humble and sitting down in a chair,
and all these eyes staring at you. Well, it was
my turn, and these two animal psychologists I call them
rat psychologists or the ones to question me. And they said,
what are you here for? Why are you here? What
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are you going to study? And I said, now picture this.
I went through the bachelor's degree and the master's degree
in the traditional psychology department, which is social science oriented
and no nonsense and stick with the program type thing.
And they said, well, what are you studying? Why are
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you here? And I looked up at them, I said,
I'm here to study the psychology of travel. Silence in
the room. You hear a pin drop, silence, all eyes
upon me, And then imagine this. I think I stood
up and I think I pointed pointed at said number one,
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who are you to define what this field is about?
And number two, if that's your attitude, I don't think
I want to be here. And I walked out of
the room towards the front door of the building, thinking
to my oh you sure did you did it this time?
Oh yeah, brilliant stroke. And then I hear running feet
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behind me other faculty members, two of them running down,
hand on the shoulder, stopping me, saying, just because they
said that doesn't mean the rest of us agree with them.
Get yourself back into the room. Oh I experienced that
was And I never had anything to do with the
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other two of these people ever. Again, never had any
interaction with him in my four or five years there.
In fact, one of them was disliked so much by
his own graduate students that they released his research Dolphins
into the Pacific Ocean, which is terrible. Yeah, I know, terrible.
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They disliked him so much, and I stood to my
guns and basically got the degree in social psychology. But
I concentrated on subjects I had to do with international
travel and international behavior and taught courses. For example, worked
for the University of Hawaii's Peace Court training program, took
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the language course with the trainees, learned about how to
adjust and adapt to live overseas, so on and so forth.
So I made that into a little sub discipline and
I've been involved with it ever since. Figuring the best
way to find out about the psychology of travel is
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to ask people. So I did what Forrest Gump would
have done. I interviewed a couple thousand people, and that's
the basis of my own personal research.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Well, we are going to talk about synchronicities this evening.
We will get to that. But on the travel subject,
I was interested in that because I've done quite a
bit of travel myself, and it's different. It is totally
different when you leave your home, especially when you leave
your home country. It is a culture shock when you
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arrive and you have people telling you that you're not
behaving correctly, that you're rude because you ask for bread
in a restaurant because you only are supposed to have
one piece of bread until they get to you in
thirty minutes or so, and that, and then the living conditions,
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they're always different, and sometimes they're horrible. I've seen some
things that you know in Jamaica that I couldn't believe,
little shanty towns and things that you're just not exposed
to in your home environment, and it is a shock.
So psychologically, what does that do to us?
Speaker 3 (17:38):
I think traveling is the fastest way that we learn
about life. And I joke around, I say, you know,
you think it's a big American custom, American in Canada
and Western is to send your kids to Europe for
a summer or college first semester. Why because we know
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deep down they're going to grow, they're going to learn,
they're going to mature, they're going to learn how to
deal with life in a relatively safe way. And so
I discovered it shouldn't be an amazing surprise to learn this,
but I discovered the fastest and most rewarding way that
we learn learning theory, psychological learning theory is while traveling overseas,
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when we're so much eat more, eager, and receptive of novelty.
Here's the thing extent so rewards when you've found something
on the menu you could eat, when you actually wound
up having a roof over your head for the night,
think about how immensely rewarding that is the first time
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you succeed and do something and have success. Well, traveling
is so rewarding that you learned in the facts quickest,
most amazing way, and most of it's good, So most
of it is exciting. Abraham Maslow's needs hierarchy. We all
have that in beginning psychology one oh one. You know,
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you have the pyramid. On the bottom is personal safety
and security, and you move up like having relationship with people,
love and all the way. At the top is achievement,
becoming all that you can be. So you know, most
of us know the example of mountain climbers who are
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climbing all the continents, all the mountains and all the
continents there. Why because it's so exhilarating to be rewarded
with the success of being more of who you want
to be so I have never found a better way
to learn and a more fun way to learn. And
I think that's what we do. I think that's a
lot of what we do in travel. I call it
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the Western walk about. After Seriously, when we send our
kids overseas, we're sending them out to their Western walk about. Well,
we don't say that to them, look right. To tell
you this, all right, I wrote a very serious book,
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Travel Tells Women Alone, The Meet to Travel, because I
had to try to help women travelers be safe, safer.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
That is, that is a good thing. Yeah, women do
need to know that. A lot of women just take
off Willy Nilla. Yeah, I'm going to go do this
by myself. My niece was one of those. She was
nineteen years old and traveled Europe, and then when she
was twenty, she went to Africa on her own, and
(20:58):
oh my gosh, some of the things that she told
me situation she was in very, very dangerous and she
did not know any self defense. Even so, what do
you tell women who are going to plan to travel alone?
She did? Okay, lately she did, thank goodness.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Yes, yeah, Now, I've had a lot of stories told
to me about that that very thing.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Yeah, do you have some suggestions for women to make
to make them safer?
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Number one is, don't travel to those areas of the
world alone. It's better to be with someone or a
small group. That's the number one thing. And I wouldn't
try some of the super adventurous travel without a few
years under one's belt of regular getting more experience, turning
(21:59):
into the traveler from the tourist, morphing from a tourist
into a traveler who has dealt with more situations and
realize that it's not always the way you behave back
at home. That you succeed to be safe and secure
(22:19):
and travel, but the bad things are fewer and far
in between. But the potential is that we can all
have an occasional dangerous experience if we're not careful. You
have to learn you have to be sensible and not
do super dangerous things at the outset when you don't
(22:41):
have enough personal experience. That would be my simple advice.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
That is good advice for anyone. Actually, sure, and yeah,
it's unfortunate that there are bad people in the world,
but we do have to be aware of that fact.
They're not all good. Uh, we were well, I had
(23:07):
a few things happen well on our travels, and also
family members have as well where wherever we are, especially France.
For some reason, the French seem to hate the Americans.
Why is it that people in other countries don't like
visitors tourists. It seems to be just across the board.
(23:30):
Why do you think that is?
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Well, the problem is of late over tourism. Maybe some
people have been seeing a very unpleasant example of some
things that were going on in Barcelona, what some of
the locals were doing. And I've been to Barcelona, like
I told it the outside of our interview, and Barcelona
(23:56):
doesn't have as much tourism of interest for tourists at
some other places. So some of the areas of Barcelona
are getting absolutely overrun with people from higher socioeconomic statuses.
They earn more money, they have more money to spend,
(24:17):
and they're outspending locals and they're causing prices to rise
to some extent. So what some people of Barcelona have
been doing, which is terrible, is squirting visitors with water pistols,
not hurting anybody, but it's so oh unfriendly and embarrassing.
(24:38):
Nobody's getting hurt, But who wants to be shot with
a water pistol. Well, we have to learn to be
good travelers too, to some extent. But when you have
so many travelers and so much over tourism, you're going
to get some bad feelings. And it's good to try
to avoid being in a huge mess of tourists wherever
(25:01):
you're going. You ever, everybody knows that picture of people
climbing Mount Everest with a long line of people. Yes, top,
Oh my god. Well, now Nepal is requiring proof in
the form of some kind of certificate that you've successfully
climbed another mountain somewhere else before you're going to go
(25:23):
into this dangerous area unprepared to mountain climb properly.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
But well that's not a bad idea, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
That's true. Improvement has to come from all sides, from
we the visitors. We have to be more sensitive to
what can happen by overwhelming the local areas. It's the
same thing. You go into the wilderness. You observe animals
and plants and various species, and if your presence is
(25:55):
so disturbing, well it ruins it for the native space season,
it ruins your experience. So we have to learn to
be good travelers, and we have to learn how to
morph from a tourist with very little experience to a
traveler who is a seasoned person and learns from his
(26:19):
or her interactions with people overseas.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Okay, that's good advice, and we will take a short
break and be back right after this.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
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We are back with the next news. I'm your host
Archie K. In this evening, we are talking with Michael
Brian about various subjects, but right now I would like
to get to your book, The Road to Strange Synchronicity
Meaningful Coincidences. This really caught my eye, Michael. What gave
(29:28):
you the idea for this book?
Speaker 3 (29:31):
I have as I was mentioning earlier collected tales and
a whole range of paranormal subject areas synchronicity, especially because
so many people have so many stories of quote unquote
meaningful coincidences happening to them. But remember I had mentioned
(29:55):
earlier that I focused in on in one of my
books on people that that had multiple experiences of different
sorts of things. Well, I have had not only more
than my share of pairs of coincidences or synchronicity. You know,
things that you laugh at you think it's cute. All
you run into this person in another city and you laugh,
(30:20):
and you think, oh, that's kind of neat. But when
you have intertwined, like three things that happened together, I
had a quintuple synchronicity, like a five part experience, any
two parts of which were unbelievable in and of themselves.
What do you do with a handful of components, any
(30:45):
two of which were unbelievably unlikely to happen by chance,
but you have the whole package of it happening. Wow,
I can tell that experience.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Well, yes, I would love to hear that experience.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
Okay. At one point in time I had a travel
guide series, so remember I was mentioning Barcelona. I did
a travel guide series to sightseeing by public transportation, How
to go to the top fifty visitor attractions using public transit.
Very good thing to do. And that's how that Barcelona
story happened. Well, I had a bunch of these. I
(31:21):
was living in southern Oregon at a Lama ranch at
the time. I was going to the book fair in
New York City. Round trip Medford, Oregon to Philadelphia, New York,
and then back again. I was on United Airlines last
days of May, stop by in Philadelphia visit my sister
(31:41):
and her family, and took the train in New York
City for the book fair. On the train, I happened
to glance out the window. There's a signed Rahway New Jersey.
And I thought to myself, as we always do when
we go plass, but I know somebody from Rahway, New Jersey.
One forty two years earlier when I did one year
(32:07):
of engineering at Carnegie Mellon and this was a senior
and I remember meeting a guy from Railway New Jersey.
That was item number one I go to the book
for oh. I grabbed a Hemisphere magazine out of the
pocket of United Airlines, thinking why don't I contact United
(32:28):
and say, hey, I do a thing on public transit.
How about maybe a write up in your magazine. I
put it away to look at it. Do the book fair.
Get back now it's June, end of May, June. I'm back,
going back to Medford, Ashlan, Oregon. I pick up the
June issue of Hemisphere. Put that maatta shade. So I've
(32:52):
now got two magazines I want to contact United talk
to them about it. And didn't even look at them.
Put them in the out of sharecase, went home, entered
the door back in Ashland, into the kitchen piles of mail. There,
grab a big envelope the size of eight and a
half by eleven Hemisphere Magazine June, issu staple business card
(33:18):
to it. See page twenty four. Open it up. There's
a review of my travel guides right in that magazine.
One woh, pick up the magazine in the first place.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
For yeah, my goodness.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
My goodness. Well, I thought, oh wow.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
They had already done it and didn't even contact you.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Well, this is the way to tell me, send me
a magazine. They sent me a copy of magazine. I
had my shadcase. I thought, well this is interesting, but wait,
it gets worse all right. Now I go up to
my little loft office to see did I have any
(33:56):
orders for these travel guides. I had fourteen of them
around the world, and I go up to my loft
office and look to see orders. And sometimes I'll get
an order from Spain or Ohio, or Texas or Mexico
for a copy of this or that. Here's an order
from Ashland, Oregon. Up the street.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Oh, I know what's coming.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
Never happen. I email the person back. I said, would
you like me to personally deliver these to you by hand?
Or would you like to come and see a lama ranch?
Speaker 4 (34:37):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (34:38):
And they said, we'll come and see the Lama ranch,
all right. I look at the name. The name is
the same person from Railway, New Jersey. Yes, I remembered
forty two years earlier. I emailed this lady back again.
I said, do you have, by any remote possible chance
(35:00):
a person by the name of Jan J N. Chake
and C Cha I K E N which was his name?
The phone rings. I recognized the voice. I recognized his voice.
I didn't know him that well. I only talked to
him two or three times. I sang to him the
fraternity song. I'll sing one bar of it. Okay, water water,
(35:24):
water that makes you feel you order in the halls.
In the halls, I better leave it at that. Okay,
did you ever sing that song? He said, No, I
never sang that song anyway. That was the Jen Chacken
from Railway, New Jersey who bought my travel guides in
the magazine that I wanted them to go into. Later,
(35:46):
I said, how did you happen to see my guides? Oh?
We saw it in the Hemisphere's magazine and we compile
transit statistics crime statistics for the New York subway system.
So they came. We had a really nice, wonderful time.
We all shook our heads on this molible involved complicated synchronicity, uh,
(36:07):
and wondered, and I kept wondering before as after, you know,
how does synchronosity work? What is going on? What is with?
And why did I have a molible synchronicities more than
just a chance of two things happening? Why do I
(36:28):
have a lot of this happening and complex ones. So
that's an example of a quintuple synchronousity. Now, most of
the listeners in the audience, most of us have had
the simple synchronicities, and we all, you know, what we're
left with. Often I think is a simple message, pay attention.
(36:50):
The universe can do this well indeed, and it does.
I mean, it's one thing to have a lot of
regular coincidence has happened. It's another to have more complex
ones happen. And I have had a number of complex ones.
So the message to me is pay attention. There's another
(37:13):
operating principle in the universe. To understand that it has
its it does things, has its workings. Now, so it
doesn't surprise me so much when I hear about the
occasional person who wins two or three lotteries. You know,
we've all heard of, right, right, not only once but
(37:34):
maybe twice. And people that get struck by lightning. That's
not such a good thing. But so a look in
these little books I'm doing. I call them short, shorter
take books, you know, with sixty five to one hundred pages.
I like to take some of the paranormal subjects and
(37:56):
look at some of the stories that people have shared
with me on those little topics and put them in
their own books. Well, it just came out with one
which is fascinating to me called The Road to Strange
Makumba and other Rights. And now Makumba is not necessarily
a bad thing. It is like voodoo is often thought
(38:20):
of as a religion as well as something that has
its scarier, spookier parts. But I use the word makumba
to mean rights and rituals that come from religious traditions
maybe between Africa, Brazil and other exotic countries where people
(38:40):
from one country have moved to another, and there are
mostly religious and spiritual practices that are common, you know,
to get healthier and stay healthier and all these things.
But I've looked at the stories of where people have
shared with me certain things. Now some of the stories
(39:01):
are a little scary. For example, an er doctor friend
of mine who worked on an Apache reservation helping citizens
become healthier, you know, government programs and long story short,
(39:25):
he went out on a date, nothing serious, with a
girl that was a niece of a woman that did
not like the idea of her daughter dating outside of
Apaches okay, and supposedly she inflicted a curse on Dave.
And Dave is a very spiritually and metaphysically oriented person
(39:51):
with lots of experiences, and he's quoted vociferously throughout my books.
And Dave discovered he felt that he had something negative
placed upon him since he was a doctor helping people
on this particular Apache reservation. There were other patients who
(40:12):
were friends of his and helped him in one supposedly,
you know, as the story goes, was able to reverse
this unfortunate curse. And it's funny, Doctor Dave, a patient
would come into the clinic and be randomly assigned to
one of five doctors. Well, the woman who allegedly the
(40:34):
aunt who allegedly placed this spell on Dave for behaving
the way she didn't like him to be. Dave saw
her put his arm around her very nice and gently
and said, you put a curse on me, didn't you. Well, oh,
(40:55):
go on, Well, I mean, it's an interesting story, and
a lot of my stories, most of my stories that
I've gathered and collected, I feel there's a lot of
credibility to these aspects of them. Maybe not all totally
acceptable in conventional terms, but this was a rite that
(41:17):
happened in our practice that was righted r I, G
H T D, and just interesting to focus on. In
this case. The Makumba and other rights is to bring
out some of these examples from the various interviews of
(41:38):
this aspect I haven't really seen much of this sort
of thing anywhere else. But I'm now taking little sub
aspects of various paranormal subjects and pulling out some nice examples.
And here's what's exciting to me, Margie. I've been applying
AI to come up with its own analysis quote unquote,
(42:06):
own from my collection of transcribed interviews. So who use
a program called otter like the animal O T T
E R dot AI taking my two thousand or so
interviews transcribe them. Now I can do a keyword search.
I can do a keyword search ritual excuse me, ESP
(42:31):
anything I want to search, and it will come up
with all the stories that the keyword appeared in. And
I can pull out stories because I can't keep them
all in my head, and I can. Also they added
a feature of AI saying you want to ask AI
a question about your materials. So I would say to AI,
(42:54):
talk to AI as if it's a friend. Tell me
about synchronicity and DejaVu. This is another good example. Oh yeah,
tell me about dejav and it would say, Michael addresses me, Michael,
take a double take, Michael. I found a number of
(43:15):
references to deja vu in your stories, and it would
seem that's there's this these aspects of A, B, C,
and D of these different deja vu experiences that people
have had blah blah blah blah blah. So I take that,
write that up where it's interesting and informative to some extent,
(43:37):
certainly some new ideas. Have you dealt with AI yet
in your personal research?
Speaker 2 (43:46):
Oh well absolutely.
Speaker 3 (43:48):
You got to look into that because yeah, stuff, I
mean there's a lot being expressed. Oh this is scary.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
But it is. It is kind of scared, but it's
fascinating too.
Speaker 3 (44:02):
It's fascinating. I haven't seen anything negative or right.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
Yeah, right, you brought up the deva deja vous subject.
I was going to ask you about that, to see
if you had stories tales from people or yourself as well.
Speaker 3 (44:22):
I just listed my book. Yeah, but let me say this,
because I was focusing pulling deja vous stories from from
my two thousand interviews, I also came across and I
named them in French. I think the French should be
thanked for deja vu, which has already been seen.
Speaker 4 (44:44):
Right.
Speaker 3 (44:45):
The two other things ready on a lance vo meaning
seen in advance. I've had at least a couple of
people that have claimed they had complete conversations that they
thought of which happened later exactly as they recall these
I call the future thing. And then I have the
(45:08):
other one on ensemble le vous, which translates from French
together VU's where I've had people tell of experiences where
other presences of other people are there and they're looking
at one another, and they're saying, what are you doing
in my mental space? In my dream space? What are
(45:31):
you doing here? Why am I in your space? As
if as if they converged in the same space time
portal together for an interaction. I don't know whether it
was intentionally the case or not, but it's fascinating to me.
(45:52):
So I expanded the idea of dejas vous a little
bit more into other coincidentally appearances. Let me give you
a quick example, a quick story. This was a woman
who said that when she was a little girl in
school in Okinawa, where her father was in the American military.
(46:16):
She was at an American school and she was a
little bit of a slower learner, and these kids were
teasing her and pushed her into a closet and shut
the closet on her terrible thing. And she said she
saw in her mind's eye in that closet a World
War two type of Japanese soldier if you can picture
(46:37):
what the Japanese soldiers looked like. And he was looking
at her and speaking Japanese as if to say to
her what are you doing here? Who are you? And
she had the same type of experience. There was nothing
harmful was going to happen. The man was the soldier
was bewildered, and she was bewildered. And that was her story.
(47:00):
I had several other stories of that, of the appearances
of people vis a vis one another and they can't
understand how they could be together in the space time
portal and I haven't come Yeah that have you ever
run into that?
Speaker 2 (47:20):
Well, I'll tell you what I have run into. That's
kind of similar to that. And that is different people
having the exact same dream and then discussing it the
next day and everyone knows what's going to happen next
because they both had the same dream. How do you
think that happens?
Speaker 3 (47:38):
I think that's related to what I'm talking about. Yeah, well,
it reinforced, you know, the whole notion of space time
portals is relatively new, isn't it. I mean, it doesn't
go that far back. We're hearing more and more of
that sort of thing. People in a space time distorted
(48:00):
environment where different things happen. Well, maybe that's how Maybe
that's how people enter different space time and come back.
Maybe they find themselves. I keep thinking about boy, I'll
bet the skinwalker ranch, I'll bet they have stumbled onto
space time portal stuff and that spherical thing. You know,
(48:22):
absolutely moving in the direction of hearing and thinking more
about these sorts of things. I don't remember talking about
space time portals years ago. This was not something that
was in our common vernacular, so you and I.
Speaker 2 (48:41):
Know, but more people are experiencing them. And as an investigator,
I work with other investigators, and we are finding more portals,
they're becoming more obvious, they are opening, it seems to
me more often. And then we're now able with new
equipment that's available, like spectrum analyzers things like that, where
(49:06):
we can find one point six of gigahertz when a
portal is opening, and then right after we see UFO
fly through. You know, there's evidence that this is real
and it's happening, And I just wonder how long the
government has known about this and how they've utilized them
(49:28):
to the point that we would be stunned at what
they're actually doing with it.
Speaker 3 (49:33):
That's right, and ergo, while we're not hearing too much
about it beyond a point certain point. So that is fascinating,
and so is that something that's gets the interests of ages,
because when we're entering the age of discovery of such
(49:56):
paranormal quote unquote paranormal things, space, time portal possibilities than
we ever had before, and we probably hadn't had the
sise idea how you enter this and leave this where
maybe we're on the fine line of discovering and moving
(50:17):
in this direction.
Speaker 2 (50:19):
Oh sure, I think so. We had a person from
Kansas City several years ago, actually from Liberty, Missouri, north
of Kansas City, became very famous and he said he
was a time traveler. He had invented a time machine,
and then one day he and his time machine were
disappeared and have never been seen or heard from since.
(50:42):
So he left and didn't come back. It's pretty wild. Well,
we are Colley almost at a time. But I want
to just throw a few of your books up here.
If you could tell us a little bit about each one.
Speaker 3 (50:57):
Well, the taxis everybody's had a taxi experience, including me,
and there's nothing like an interracultural experience. Nothing more discombobulating
at times as getting in a taxi and trying to
figure out, well, I ever walk out of this taxi
(51:17):
somewhere else again, and we'll be provided to go. Well.
I have a lot of funny taxi stories. That's part
of my series True travel Tales, And by the way,
one of those books I feature very prominently in it's
called travel Tales Idiots Abroad because more than my fair
(51:38):
share of idiotic but funny, good and educating experiences.
Speaker 2 (51:44):
That sounds like a good one. I've had so many
disastrous experiences while traveling, and the taxi one I think
was the worst for me. So I will have to
share that with you sometime. And then we've got to
the road to strange deja vu that we were talking
about just a minute ago.
Speaker 3 (52:02):
And there'll be more. This is okay.
Speaker 2 (52:06):
I did join and True Tales, Travel Tales of the
Paranormal and beyond.
Speaker 3 (52:11):
Yeah, she was such a great person to work with
and be a friend with. Rosemary. You met Rosemary probably.
Speaker 2 (52:19):
Oh yeah, I knew her. She was very nice and
it's very busy.
Speaker 3 (52:23):
Universe again is the one where I pull out stories
of people who seem to have mobile repeat types of
experiences with the UFOs or the paranormal and supernatural stuff
and ghosts and whatnot.
Speaker 2 (52:39):
How can people get your books?
Speaker 3 (52:43):
They should go to UH if you could post this
to be so much easier books to read dot com
forward slash and my name Michael hyphen Brian b r
E I N and you can read about them and
see and UH. By the way, I'm now able to
(53:03):
do audiobooks using a AI because it's reasonably good and
it sounds so human and Draft to Digital who I
use to publish. Maybe you have heard of it or haven't.
It's a terrific publishing self publishing portal that costs nothing.
They just share some of the revenue of their sales.
(53:25):
Draft the number two to look into that.
Speaker 2 (53:29):
I will look into that. I've been wanting to do
that for me and my publishing company with a lot
of authors and thinking about you.
Speaker 3 (53:38):
Why don't we talk person to person about that for
just a session and I'll share with you about it because.
Speaker 2 (53:44):
I would love to. Yeah, I would appreciate that. So
The Road to Strange Synchronicity Meaningful Coincidences by Michael Brian.
Thank you so much, Michael for spending some time with
us this evening. I appreciate it, and we will get
together soon and hopefully I'll have you come back sometime. Okay, wonderful,
(54:07):
Thank you so much. Well, that is it for another
edition of Unexed News. Thank you so much for joining
me this evening, and as always, if you have questions,
you can send me an email at k u n
X Radio at gmail dot com. You can also check
my website out at margik dot com. And I will
(54:28):
see you here again next week, of course,
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