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you're going to like them as well. Ray Graham has
an MA in Strategic Studies and an MA degree in administration.
He's a retired US Army colonel who joined MUFON in
twenty twenty four after seeing his first UFO from the
deck of a cruise ship in the North Sea. He
is an active field investigator, Missouri Chapter historian, and state
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Section director for Southwestern Missouri. He's written several articles and
given many UFO presentations, and is nearing completion of his
first book, God Versus Aliens is the universe big enough
for both and my second guest is Larry Tyree. He's
a field investigator with the Illinois chapter of Movefon. He
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is also part of a combined Photographic Analysis team for
Midwest MoveOn enjoys assisting MoveOn investigators by examining video evidence
and providing an analysis of photos and videos. Larry is
also the new team leader for the Fast Mover Analysis
Team for MoveOn Central Region. He's the co author of
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the book The Fast Movers and the upcoming book Earth's
Unseen Inhabitants. Welcome to the program, gentlemen.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Thanks for having us hi, Yep, nice to see you.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Thank you so much for joining me this evening. I
had to have have you come on. We've talked about
fast movers before, Larry, But Ray, you had a very
lucky event happened while you were in England. So why
don't we start off with why don't you explain what
happened and what your motives were while you were there?
Speaker 4 (04:14):
Okay, Well, I've always been fascinated with Stonehenge and had
been there twice before, but since becoming a move On
field investigator just over a year ago, I was researching
more and reading about it being a UFO hotspot and
the different aspects of the Druids and their beliefs and
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their belief structures, and then fascination with the stones and
how they were moved in place way before it was
able to have even wheels to do that, and I've
always found it very fascinating. So I decided to go
back there after becoming an investigator, to do a CE
five experience, which I can talk about when we get
to the slides, and see if I could find Nhi
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or any UFOs over the stone and reagion and see
if that hot spot was a real thing. So I
went over in a CE five event with my wife
and stayed with two friends and over which is only
about twenty minutes from Stonehenge, and we conducted a CE
five event, and I thought I would just calibrate equipment
and make sure that I could carry everything that I
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planned and carry on luggage and things like that. But
we were actually able to see a fast mover and
my good friend Larry did the photo analysis on it,
and so that's yeah, that's how that came about. So
I've only been back for about a week and a half,
maybe two weeks.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Yeah, so this was a recent event, which is always
exciting when you can talk about it right afterwards. Larry,
why don't you give us a little bit of an
idea of what fast movers are and how you discovered them.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Fast mover, Well, I'll have to mainly tell you how
I discovered it, and then i'll give it away. When
I first started seeing UFOs, he was in twenty four team,
and I realized at the very beginning that I wasn't
doing very well. I needed to get a better camera
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than what I had, and so I got a decent
one and I started taking some videos and these were
just random videos, and I discovered one that was shooting
up and then it took a dip down and then
went up again. Basically, it was shooting up and then
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it took a ninety degree turn and then a precisely
forty five degree wasn't forty degrees, wasn't forty eight degrees,
it was for five. The ninety was precisely ninety, And
you know, stuff just doesn't do it that precisely. And
did a zig zeb going up. But the only way
I saw it was.
Speaker 5 (06:50):
By going frame by frame, and I thought I saw
something that didn't look right when I was playing the video,
and so I went back to that spot and started
going slowly, you know, frame by frame, and that's how
I saw it. That's basically the story with any fast mover,
you really can't see it. It's fast, it's fast, usually
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less than a second, and it's gone and done what
it's going to do. And and so you really when
you look at a video, I find that I need
to just scan it slowly for anything unusual that could
be a fast mover. And it's amazing how often they
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are there.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
And you've been doing, you know, this video analysis work
for quite some time and seeing many many videos submitted
by investigators and witnesses, and so I would say, now
you are probably the expert in the field of fast
mover video analysis. And so you know, we were very
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lucky that Ray, of course, being an investigator, had to
write equipment and who was able to capture a UFO
and then you did the analysis on it. So why
don't we go ahead, Ray, why don't you give your
short presentation here and that will let everybody know what
happened and then Larry will show his analysis.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Okay, great, okay, Well, thank you for the introduction, Margie.
And first of all, I have to credit Larry right
out of the chute, because I had seen previously where
he had shown us images of these fast movers and
it's only in an instant that you see it. So
I filmed for forty five minutes using a night vision camera,
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and then I went back and looked at the whole
forty five minutes frame by frame, and only found this
half a second black flash. And I would have discounted
that if I hadn't seen Larry do that before. So
I'm going to talk a little bit about Stonehenge. What
you see in the slide in front of you that
that's a previous photo that we took from our earlier
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trip in twenty eleven, and I'll see if I can
get into a screen view. So a C five event,
I'm going to talk a little bit about that, and
then the concept of the operation, a little bit about druids,
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and then Stonehenge is a UFO hotspot our CE five
event that we had about two weeks ago, and then
just a little bit about lessons learned. So doctor Stephen
Greer coined the term a CE five event, which is
short for close Encounter of a fifth kind, where he
describes the ability of a human initiated contact with an
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extraterrestrial presence. So you're kind of trying to initiate a
UFO sighting through mental processes, and so by following some
protocols meditation, light and sound, a person can often initiate
contact with a non human intelligence or NHI and observe orbs,
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sometimes craft or occasionally actually beings and primarily two things.
The group is mentally prepared, they've done some meditation, they're serious,
and they're focused with an open mind. You often hear
the term of a loving relationship and an open relationship
that you're willing to accept something to happen, and then
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having receptive thoughts and positive intentions. So the concept of
the operation was a conducting event at Stonehenge, validate my
equipment list, introduce our friends in England. They didn't really
know that I was gonna want to go to Stonehengine
do this before we were invited over, but they were
open to it. And I think it's important to add
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that if you ever do one of these, it's important
that people are open to the experience. Margie and I
talked about this before I went, and that you don't
want a skeptic or a naysayer or a negative person
that can really mess up that energy so I wanted
to use the tools and equipment that I had capture
some baseline data and then photo analysis and then some
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lessons learned. Just very briefly on stonehand it's about five
thousand years old religious gathering place, and the stones are
aligned in alignment with the summer and winter solstices, and
there also been burials of the dead there, and the
stones that are there were transported from hundreds of miles away,
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and they don't know how that wheels were not in
use at the time. They must have used some type
of sleds. I just read the other day that the
main altar stone was brought from a much further than
they originally thought, now up in Scotland, over four hundred
miles away, and so I just find it fascinating to
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research that. And it's been a UFO hotspot for quite
some time. So tourists have reported objects, sometimes craft orbs
colored lights right over the stones. And then there have
been some recent articles about lay lines, and so these
are lines that are supposed to hypothetically align ancient sites
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or energy sites from around the world, and Stonehenge is
supposed to be an intersecting point for fourteen of those
and then the mystical practices of the droids could also
relate to the UFO sightings there. On the day of
the ce Vibe event, we had tended to do a
recon and find our route the day before or earlier
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in that day, and that didn't work out. So we
had to find a location kind of on the fly
as it was getting close to dark, but we were
able to do that. We found a site about a
mile and a half away from the stones. We could
see the stones from where we were, but we were
set up right next to a British Artillery impact range
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and and so that's what you see our friend Jem
getting things out of the truck right by this this
impact range. So it was very it was a heavily
militarized area and uh and a lot of fields in
that kind of thing around us. What you see on
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the left is a little bit of the equipment that
I had set up. It's a custom head I made
for my camera and then some of the equipment that
I had with me. On the right hand side is
all of the UFO gear that I took and I
was able to fit all that into a carry on
bag through the through the airline, so nothing really out
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of the ordinary. The site Alex Pro camera as a
night vision camera. That was my primary camera that I
took the images that i'll show you, and then the
Fleer one thermal camera. If you see my tripod, that's
my iPhone with the Fleer camera operating through the through
the iPhone so and then I was also filming through
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a GoPro and through my iPhone sixteen pro. So I
won't talk about all the rest of that equipment. We
can certainly talk about that a little bit later if
anybody wants to go into more detail. What you see
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in the upper left hand side, that is one of
the apps that we commonly use as move on investigators.
It's a Theodolite app. It's really used for surveying, but
we use it for a lot of things because there's
a lot of data that's there. So where you see
the cross hears, the stonehand formation is in the distance
behind those crosshairs. Right below that the old light image
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is the max zoom on my iPhone sixteen. Just to
give you an idea, that's what I could see from
where I was standing at the max zoom from my camera.
On the right is an image from Google Earth. It's
a bird's eye view, and right at the top where
you see the little yellow pin, that's where we were
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set up looking to the south and the red line
leaning down to Stonehenge, the rock formation at one point
sixty three miles to the south. Our friends that we
were there with left or right, our wonderful host Susie,
me and my wife Diane, and then Susie's son Jem
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and just below that the image of Stonehenge. We took
that image that day from Alpha three to three A
three oh three, which is the main highway that runs
along the side of it. On the upper right hand side,
you can see the timeline. We got there about seven thirty.
It wasn't quite dark yet. I took some wind readings,
some temperature, magnetic field readings, spectrum readings about seven forty
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All of my readings were absolutely normal. They were normal
from a baseline I took the day before in andover
and then they were also normal.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
That day.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
I filmed continuously with the Psionics camera and then we
packed it up and closed it out about eight forty five.
During this event, I used laser flashes with a laser
pointer with a diffusing head, and then I also played
some Native American chanting music with drums over a bluetooth
speaker in hopes of stimulating some type of activity. We
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also had an unexpected encounter with a guy who claimed
that he was the head DREWI, which was totally unexpected,
and he came wheeling up on us after we had
only set up for just a few minutes and announced
that he was the head droid. Wanted to know what
we were doing there. And here you see an image
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on the left just it's getting dark from my phone,
and then the image on the right is the same
image taken with a fleer and you can just briefly
see the druid. He's in my hot spot on my
fleer image to the right, and I'll show you a
picture of him in a second. So, as we alluded
to earlier, I did see a fast mover, and from
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looking at forty five minutes of video, it only just
very briefly flashed, and I went back and looked at it,
and then we were able to find some more appearances
of that same object that I'll show you in just
a minute.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Hey, right, go back to that druid. What did he
say to you?
Speaker 4 (17:53):
Most of it was drunken profanity. Oh a whole lot
of details. Okay, Jem Susie's son was giving me some
top cover, so he was over there talking to the
guy while I'm trying to do the filming and that
kind of thing. But it was it was pretty unexpected.
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He kept kept wanting to know why I was filming
him and what I was doing. So you see, here
is jam with the druid over here on the four
by four, and I'm trying to film past him, and
he kept wanting to know why I was taking his
picture and what I was going to do with the video.
And it was really kind of odd. Ironically, the photo
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that you see, or the image that you see on
the left side, I pulled this down from the internet today.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Just let me.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
Let me pull down what a typical druid of the
time in the BC to six hundred CE would have
looked like. And if you look at the face of
this guy I pulled down from the Internet, and then
you look at the guy on the four by four,
I think with a little beard, clean it up and
it's some success reason in rope. It could be the guy.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
It could be he could be reincarnated, sure, or.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
You know, they're still an active group, so they still
do separate celebrate the Solstices, so they are active and
dress up in costumes and things like that. So yeah,
who knows it could be. So, as we've talked about
the suspected fast mover, this is a screenshot from my
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psionics camera and this was the only image that I
saw and it was only there for about a half
a second, and so I sent the video to Larry.
I sent him this still image and we were able
to go back and reconstruct it with with Larry doing
his magic, he was able to break this down. And
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I'm going to show you that when when I hit
the next button, you see four circu on your screen.
And when I hit the next button, it's going to
start a loop.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Of this video.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
And as I start that, you're going to see a
truck that goes by on the road in the bottom,
and then immediately after that, you're going to see the
same object appear in each of those four circles, moving
from left to right. All right, well, I hope, I
hope that I can make it run. Just skipped over
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it without playing Margie.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
All right, now, all right, Well, darn it all.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
Right, Well, hopefully we will be able to revise that
so we can show that playing. But this is part
of the video analysis from that that Larry did. So
back in the eighties, Norad coined the term fast mover
because they were seeing these really fast moving objects from
these downward looking DoD satellites and clocking some of these
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objects over six thousand miles an hour. And so what
Larry did was he broke that video down into separate frames.
And where you see that yellow number one, If you
look right below that number one, you can see a
really faint dot that is the first image of the
fast mover. The red dot just to the right of
that is the second image. The third dot right next
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to that in blue, and then there's another one on
the video that I captured as it got up into
the tree line in the upper right hand side. So
and all of that took place in zero point twenty
seven seconds. So we don't know how fast it was
going because we didn't have a frame of reference that
we could compare it to and to be able to triangulate.
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But it must have been going at least a few
thousand miles an hour across the sky that fast. That's
a little speculation.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
On my part.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
But under the number two you can see the enhancements
that Larry made of the initial object. So the actual
object from the video is the little dot on the
top up below that he was able to pull out
what the shape of that object was, and then in
the bottom where he enhanced it, he was able to
clean up the edges. So you can see that that
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object is a different shape than when it appeared in
frame number three. It had become more round. It was
really quite quite different. So and we know that from
previous fast mover encounters that Larry's investigated before that changing
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shapes of these is not an uncommon thing.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
It looks like it gets bigger too.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
It is coming from farther away to closer. So under
number one, Larry, do you want to add anything you
did all the work on this.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Well, yeah, it's coming in at an angle towards us,
and so that's why, for one reason, it's so much
smaller and fainter. Then as it gets closer, it gets
larger and darker, and so that's why you know that's happening.
It's not going exact distance the same distance it's coming
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at an angle towards us.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
So you know, what I find interesting about this and
others that you've analyzed is that the distance between each
each of the frames are where you capture it is
an equal distance. Does that make sense? So for the
distance from one to two and two to three looks
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like it's pretty much the same.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
It just depends on the dynamics of what's going on.
But yeah, I mean they're going so fast that when
you do just see one going in across the frame,
and you know, say two frames across the screen, two frames,
then yeah, they probably are going about the same speed.
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So and that would be the true also for the
one you just showed there. Ray. It's just that the
distances are different because it's it's it's the way that
it looks. It's a parallax, and it looks differently as
it's coming from a way towards you.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
Thank you there, Okay, I have just a couple of
observations and then and then just maybe two more slides.
So from my observations, the druid showed up very shortly
after we got set up. We had really only started
filming before he showed up, and he stayed for quite
a while He probably stayed for twenty twenty five minutes
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the fast mover. There were four of us there and
none of us were able to see it with the
naked eye, so if you remember we talked about only
flashing for about half a second, none of us really
would have seen it. So we left there thinking that,
oh darn, it was a fun time. We had a
great event, but we didn't see anything, and it was
until I was at home and able to analyze it
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on a twenty seven inch screen. So the sighting took
place before I shine the laser pointer with the diffusing head,
and before any of the blazing bear drum chanting, So
those apparently didn't really have anything to do with our success.
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And as I mentioned before, all the equipment readings were normal.
A few lessons learned. I would have liked to have
done the recon and site selection with a little bit
more prep time. We were a little bit rush, but
it worked out fine, and I knew from our last
visit the Stonehenge visitor center closes at dark, so we
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would not have been able to see the monument from
the visitor center, so we had to go out that
perimeter to that mile and a half away that was
absolutely as close as we could get to it without
going in through the gate. I found that the Fleer
camera used a significant amount of battery power, and I
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ran out of juice really pretty fast. I needed to
have an auxiliary power source hooked up to that while
I was filming. The other thing that I found is
that that Fleer camera works through my iPhone and I
couldn't film with both the iPhone video and the Fleer
at the same time. So that was just a minor
lesson learned, And probably one of the best lessons learned
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is I found that I could pack all that stuff
just in carry on so it was pretty much all
of one carry on bag, but I was able to
get everything, including one of my tripods that it's not
my best tripod, but it collapsed small enough that it
fit and I was able to get everything. Probably the
only other thing that I would have added was a
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laser rangefinder so that I could have ranged the power
lines and the trees. That might have helped Larry a
little bit more with his analysis. So it was a
great event. It was a success. It met all of
my objectives. Our dear English friends Susie and Jem thank
you for having us there. It was a very special event,
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very time spent with them, and meeting the head droid
was unexpected. It was unexpected bonus and I wish I
would have had a chance to talk to him rather
than being focused on what I was doing. But all
in all, it was a very positive experience and glad
that we went.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Well.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Thank you so much, Ray, and we're going to take
a short break. We'll be back with Larry Tyree and
he's going to discuss his analysis.
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Speaker 2 (29:09):
And we're back with the next news. I'm Margie k
and we're speaking tonight with Ray Graham and Larry Tyree
about a sighting not a sighting, actually a video capture
of a UFO over Stonehenge. And so now Larry will
send it over to you for your analysis.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Okay, I'm actually going to be showing some examples of
fast movers since we wrote the first book. First book. Okay,
that's because it's going to get the right.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
I think you need to put it on slideshow at
the top middle.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
Yeah. For some reason, I'm not able to access.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
My Oh you don't see slide.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
Okay, there you go. It disappeared.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
There you go right there.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Yeah, okay, is that the next slide?
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Well, it's still it's not showing slide show even though
you've selected it, it's not doing it, but we can
still see it.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
I mean, did the side the slide move.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Though, No, the slide didn't move. It's on the beginning slide.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
There.
Speaker 6 (30:37):
There we go.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
You're seeing that now, Okay, yes, well maybe we'll just
stick with that. Okay, So what is a fast mover?
I'm going to start with some of the ones that
really got my attention early on, and this would be
in August of twenty fourteen when I was first and
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to see UFOs And we're going to see a clip
here if it'll play. Are you seeing it?
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Yes? Nope, that was fast.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Now let me play it again this time. You know
what to look for is sort of yeah, there's all
kinds of things flashing across the screen.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
There are.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
Well, this is one of one of the objects from
fram twenty four to twenty five to twenty six went
across the screen. You see how it's kind of like
tucking in. It's uh alerons or or its flight wings.
But it's not an insect. However, if you look at insects,
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they look very different. They they don't have wings that
change shape, they don't they have all kinds they have
three different parts of the body, they have antenna, they
have legs, and you see none none of that as
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this thing flies across. And it just went across so
fast it was hard to follow it. Here's actually some
of the objects that were in there. There is this
real light white ball sphere and other intensified and then
here there's a black one. There's a white rod and
I'm not sure what you would call that this when
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you look at it in some way as it looks
at it's reminiscence of Starship Enterprise. But I'm sure that's
not what it is. Because anyway, that was just a
few of the objects that flew by real fast. Yes,
just to give you an idea why they're called fast movements,
that just really go by fast. And then in July
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of twenty sixteen, I took a random video and was
really surprised. I didn't look at it for a couple
of months. Actually, I just took the video and then
I was all surprised to find out what happened. Basically,
this is from the first to the end of the
object with the flat shaped disc came from the top
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down to the bottom left. And let's just play this
brief video. I need to crop this, but you saw
that and how quickly it went by. I'll do it
just one more time. But it turns out it was
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going very fast. That was fast. Okay, we're up here.
The top where you have the far right yellow pushpin
is where it first enters the screen. The second one
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is where it leads the screen. And then here's where
it ended up in the tiny little lake off of
this larger Blue Springs lake that's not you know. Okay,
here we go, and here's just one of the frames
(34:29):
in the middle, and I enhanced it a bit, and
this is what it looks like a disc as it
was flying through very rapidly. I was able to calculate
on this one the speed It was about twenty one
d and sixty miles per hour, and it was just
a fraction of a second before it entered the water.
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And then we've gone probably underground to a base or something.
But we just don't have the technology to do that,
you know, within that short of distance to slow down
to almost nothing and not crash into the earth or
into the lake at twenty one hundred miles an hour.
So it's obvious that this is something that's way beyond us.
(35:14):
That was just some of my favorite ones that happened
almost ten years ago that really got my attention on
fast movers. So since our first book, here's a little
bit of an update from to twenty twenty five. Basically,
I've discovered that a lot of the fast movers can
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be found over bodies of water. I intennically. One day,
in fact, decided to test that theory out, and so
I went to about five local lakes to where I
was living in Missouri at the time. And you'll see
in just a moment that in every single situation, at
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every lake I visited, I feels one usually multiple, you know, three, four,
five of them. Now, this is a case that happened
in twenty twenty in Liberty, Missouri, and you'd probably see
in the top right there, above the car and the
blue you see five little smudges or actually four little
(36:23):
smudges of light. Well, those are ufhones coming out of
the clouds. And here's they're a bit better to see,
but mainly you just see the light because they're still
being hidden a lot by the clouds. That night, I
focused on this brighter one and I was able to
(36:43):
get some detail out of it. You can actually see
a line separating the top in the middle. There's actually
another one up here on kind of a rounded bump
near the top. So these were going so fast that
the person who was taking photos of his car that
(37:06):
night in Liberty didn't even see anything. It had no idea.
It just happened to catch this as he was filming,
and I was able to track what direction it was
going and so on. I was able to calculate also
that the size of the craft is about thirty point
(37:26):
five feet long. I was able to ask Margie to
do a remote viewing of these craft, and she was
able to find that in this first one there were
five grays and one tall gray, and then there were
(37:48):
five grays at consoles in this one in the middle
one another tall beam, and the same thing with the
third one. And then in the last one, it's very faint.
There were just three grades in that one and a
tall grade standing.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
I forgot all about that, Larry. It's a good thing
you wrote that down.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
Yeah. Now we're moving to a Low's parking lot where
a witness was thinking that what he was looking at
was a UFO turned out to be a large aircraft.
But I had discovered in this particular video that there
were eight fast members. I'm just going to show a
(38:30):
couple of them here, but interestingly, and this one you
can see the object moved through in zero point one
six seconds. This one, see how it changes, it changes
the direction, and then and so on, and then there
(38:51):
was a secondary object near the bottom there also. Now
I and has the top one to show you what
it looks like. And it turns out that this is
about half the size of that craft that's flying through
the air. It's an aircraft, and it's about one hundred
(39:18):
and seventeen feet long, or the aircraft is about two
hundred and thirty four feet long. The reason I know
this is this particular fast mover went right through the contrail.
I won't take the time to show how that happened,
but so we know that it was. It's at that distance,
(39:38):
and it's at so we were able to easily track
the size of it.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
What was interesting about that case is that the person
who was taking the pictures thought that that aircraft was
a UFO yep, and that was his reason. Of course,
he didn't see there were actually fast movers around it exactly.
Speaker 3 (40:05):
And that's that's always the case. People are just unaware
that these things exist, and I find all of them.
I find them all the time.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
Mm hm.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
Uh. And so here's a second time. I went to
verify what was going on, and I found a bunch
more fast movers on that occasion. And you can see
how it changes even here, it changes in shape, just
like the video from Ray's experience. And then here's the
(40:41):
one in which the top left it looks like three objects,
but actually it's just the way the camera captured it,
and you can see it moving across. Here's the far
right one. You see the object coming down. It's very
very difficult to see, but I enhanced at the bottom
it became two. It merged into two. And by the way,
(41:09):
it was the size of a basketball at thirty eight
one hundred feet, which was the cloud base. It was
just right under the clouds, traveling at forty eight hundred
miles an hour. Here's that UFO I was telling you about.
So there was one I captured and I enhanced one
of the images. This one was going relatively slowly at
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five hundred and forty seven miles an hour. Here's another lake.
I found these two going across in different directions, about
fourteen hundred miles an hour on the larger one.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
What do you think the reason is why they're hanging
around lakes so much?
Speaker 3 (41:54):
Well, I lived about half a mile from Lake of
Blue Springs Lake, and every day that we lived there,
over the years that we lived there, at any time
the day, I could go and take a video of
random video and I would catch cask movers either going
(42:15):
down into the lake or coming up from the lake. Now,
there has to be a reason for that. I believe
that they have a base down underneath the lake. It's
not in the lake because it's too shallow, but underneath
the lake. Who the heck's going to be able to
go down there and visit them? And so you know,
(42:36):
that's why I believe that there's in many cases there
are craft living or the inhabitants living in some kind
of a base down below it. So here's another one
twelve hundred and fifty seven miles an hour. The size
of that particular object about eight and a half feet
(42:57):
in diameter. Now here's one witness submitted. You see the
two frames at the bottom of the right that are
in black. That was to enhance the object, and basically
I was able to prove that it was flight Southwest
(43:20):
Airlines flight six sixty three. But in addition, I found
a bunch of fast movers and so you see some
of them right there. And then about a month, in fact,
it was exactly one month to the day, they had
(43:42):
another saying and they sent that one off because they
were sure there was UFO. And the center image is
what I was able to make it larger so I
could see what was going on, and it turns out
it's that type of plane on the far left, and
you can sort of see once I've enhanced it and
(44:05):
opened it up, you can actually see the tail a
little bit as it's haining up there. But once again
I also found some more fast movers and you see
changing the angle as it flies back on the right
hand one, it makes a real severe turned down and
(44:27):
once again they're here's more. Now, this one here is
an interesting one. This is once i'd moved to Chicago
assigned this one case where there's this object only in
one frame, and I enhanced it and you could actually
see it blurred as it was rising, and we were
(44:50):
able to calculate that this one was going very rapidly.
We don't know how far away it was, but for example,
if it was four miles, it would have been traveling
at about thirty nine hundred miles per hour, which is
about mark five point two down to if it had been,
for example, a mile away, it was traveling about nine
(45:12):
seventy two miles an hour. It just depends on where
it was, and there was no way to tell for sure.
Albinau is we were lucky to the witness is lucky
to capture that particular image of it looks tick tack like.
And then here's one that turns out that the object
(45:35):
happened to be identified as a plane. But then I
caught several fast movers in this case, and the one
on the left here it's really nice shape. It's very
very interesting. The one on the right is very very odd.
(45:58):
In less than a second point ninety three seconds, it
started at the bottom and it made this all these
different jigs and jags going up and then left all
that in less than a second. Yeah, that was the
most intricate ones.
Speaker 2 (46:14):
That's pretty unusual, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (46:17):
Yeah, Usually they're they're just going by fast. But every
once in a while you'll see one doing that like
the first one I saw that was the Zigzag, only
this is much more complicated. We like to do skywatches
and move on around the world. UFO Day which is
(46:40):
June twenty fourth, and so helping in that spirit. I
went out the night before just to see what was
going on. I think we were having a coordinated event
that night, and I waited until about ninety of the
left of nine pm when it was not quite dark
but still talking, and I was able to capture this
(47:03):
object is shooting up and I enhanced it off to
the right.
Speaker 2 (47:12):
That one was kind of foggy.
Speaker 3 (47:15):
Well, it's going so fast that it's some of it
wasn't able.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
To Yeah, it's start to tell the crisp.
Speaker 3 (47:23):
But it took about yeahero point four seconds. Yeah, is
how long it is available. That's still doing pretty fast.
And altogether I've investigated about three hundred and six cases,
(47:47):
of which one hundred and seventy one were moved on
assigned to me. One hundred and thirty five I've done
consulting for other field investigators. Then when you had my
personal ones, comes to over three hundred and six week,
three hundred and forty six, and I've found that about
twenty percent of all the cases are fast movers. So
(48:10):
that's one in five.
Speaker 2 (48:14):
Well, that's twenty percent of anything is a significant number.
Speaker 1 (48:19):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
And you know, in ufology we have been used to
hearing about and talking about what you would call standard UFO,
the one that's stationary or it's it's moving so that
you can see it. People are just now getting a
handle on fast movers. There is a YouTube channel by
(48:42):
doctor Robert Schip and I've had him as a guest
on this program. He is he's got a camera set
up with just a fantastic setup in California, and he
is capturing them on a constant daily basis and putting
this information up. But what I've noticed is in nearly
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every video where there's a fast mover, there's also a craft.
There's a Coastguard helicopter or military craft or you know
some of their large helicopters or planes, and there are
fast movers just flying all around them. They seem to
(49:26):
be interested in the aircraft. And now, so I've got
to ask the question, in everything that you've investigated, do
you have an opinion on that?
Speaker 3 (49:40):
Yeah? Early on, in fact, it was my second sighting
ever once I started noticing them and knowing what to
look for. I actually saw a plane, a jet, just
a regular jet passenger jet coming down as it was
(50:00):
headed towards Kents City International Airport. So I was in
you know where I released some of it is. So
it was coming by on that flight path towards Kansas
City International and right behind it an object. I'd been
looking at this one object. It was a spherical object
(50:21):
and it had risen from blowed rising up, and it
just stopped. Then That's when I saw the jet coming
into view and then go across, and then it just
silently followed the jet. Now why who knows. But even
when we had the the Kansas City Flat in twenty
(50:46):
nineteen June twentieth of twenty nineteen, it was interesting. We
had so many fast movers that day looking at not
only the room balloons that were in the area, but
also at the other objects that were not loons that
(51:06):
were all over the Kansas City area. There was at
least five pairs of objects that each one of them
had fast movers each one of those sightings too. And
they're just going by zikety split right by them. That
just can't be a coincidence, So there must be some
interest either in monitoring what they're doing or seeing what
(51:30):
their capabilities are. So who knows it's we can only
guess at it.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
Yeah, I would. I would say they're more likely to
be monitoring us than the other.
Speaker 3 (51:45):
Yes, yes, sure, yeah.
Speaker 2 (51:48):
It's it's interesting. We've got a question that I'll ask
both of you. Do you think fast movers are more
credible than the other sightings?
Speaker 3 (51:58):
I'll just jump in this. They're no more credible or
any less credible. Is there the same thing and they're
just going faster?
Speaker 2 (52:06):
M What say you? Ray?
Speaker 4 (52:09):
I agree with that. There are so many different types
of sightings and so many different types of experiences. That
is just a different flavor, you know. I believe the
phenomenon is real, I think, and the fact that it's
more subtle in an environment like this, you're not going
to be standing out and and just see it with
your naked eye. And so I do believe, along with Larry,
(52:34):
that it's just another type of UFO, and I think
it's as legitimate as any other one might be.
Speaker 3 (52:41):
Okay, there's all kinds of shapes like rays alluding to Yeah,
we've got all kinds of shapes in the catalog that
we move on or or asked to say, is this
and so on, But we've got new ones that have
never been haded so to happen. For example, there are
(53:03):
gigantic ones that have been observed near the sun. We
just don't even have a category. We just don't even
talk about those. And there's others that are unseen as
of yet, but a lot of people say they've had
experiences with them by either being inducted or whatever, and
they go and travel and see these gigantic things that
(53:26):
we've just never seen from Earth. So anyway, there's there's
a lot of different kinds.
Speaker 2 (53:33):
Okay, we've got another question from chat, So this is
for both of you. Did fast movers have anything to
do with flight m H three Seventyes? Yeah. Did you
see that video that somebody took or faked I can't
tell which, of fast movers jumping around the plane and
then the plane disappears from the sky.
Speaker 3 (53:56):
No, I didn't see that.
Speaker 2 (53:58):
Yeah, it's out there. What do you think, Ray?
Speaker 4 (54:03):
Well, probably the most fascinating thing about losing that aircraft
is most people didn't really realize at the time that
the plane would lose its transponder signal when it's out
over the ocean in the middle of nowhere, right and
so not tracked by anybody until they would get into
a region where they were again in airspace where they
(54:26):
could be tracked and their transponder picked up. So, you know,
it's hard to say. It's an interesting question, but what
happened to that aircraft during that time when it was
off the grid and off the radar really is anybody's guess.
It could definitely have been in the vein of the
Bermuda Triangles stories of the nine torpedo bombers that flew
(54:50):
away and just totally disappeared. We're never seen or heard
from again. So those types of things are really not
out of the realm of the possible. We just don't
have evidence beyond speculation.
Speaker 3 (55:02):
You know, there are many examples that we've we've heard
over the years of of cases where pilots have been
buzzed by these different type of craft, uh, sometimes very dangerously.
Others it's obviously that they're under they're under control and
(55:23):
know what they're doing. But you got to wonder, isn't
there maybe some time where it's not going to be
uh okay and you know, it either gets too close
and the power is lost in the plane, like it
happens to the vehicles, to cars and so on. They
(55:45):
get too close and then the whole thing shuts off.
Well did one get too close to that flight and
just tumble down? And that's just speculation.
Speaker 2 (55:57):
That's a good theory though. Okay, okay, one more question
on what date was the UFO recently seeing over Stonehenge.
Speaker 4 (56:04):
Ray, night of April, just over two weeks ago.
Speaker 2 (56:08):
Okay, ninth of April. There you go. All right, thank
you so much guys for coming on tonight. I appreciate it.
It's fascinating as always.
Speaker 4 (56:19):
Thanks for having us.
Speaker 3 (56:20):
Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 2 (56:22):
All right, Well, we are finished for this evening and
I will see you both soon. We'll be talking soon
since we work together all the time. But wait, but wait,
let me show this. This is our Fast Mover book
by myself, Bill Spicer and Larry Tyree with his pen
(56:45):
name is Wayne Lawrence. So that is out there and
another book is coming soon. What is the name of that, Larry.
Speaker 3 (56:54):
Earth sunseen Inhabitants?
Speaker 2 (56:56):
Okay, and then Ray, what is your upcoming book?
Speaker 4 (56:59):
The name of God versus Aliens is the universe big
enough for both, so we we're open now to be
published later this summer by the Publishing Network.
Speaker 2 (57:11):
Yes, sir, I am doing my best to get them
both done. Let's put it that way. Okay, well, we
are done for this evening. Thanks everybody for joining me,
and we'll see you here again next time.
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Speaker 2 (01:02):
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you're going to like them as well. Ray Graham has
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He's a retired US Army colonel who joined MUFON in
twenty twenty four after seeing his first UFO from the
deck of a cruise ship in the North Sea. He
is an active field investigator, Missouri Chapter historian, and state
(02:55):
Section director for Southwestern Missouri. He's written several articles and
given many UFO presentations, and is nearing completion of his
first book, God Versus Aliens is the universe big enough
for both and my second guest is Larry Tyree. He's
a field investigator with the Illinois chapter of Movefon. He
(03:17):
is also part of a combined Photographic Analysis team for
Midwest MoveOn enjoys assisting MoveOn investigators by examining video evidence
and providing an analysis of photos and videos. Larry is
also the new team leader for the Fast Mover Analysis
Team for MoveOn Central Region. He's the co author of
(03:38):
the book The Fast Movers and the upcoming book Earth's
Unseen Inhabitants. Welcome to the program, gentlemen.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Thanks for having us hi, Yep, nice to see you.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Thank you so much for joining me this evening. I
had to have have you come on. We've talked about
fast movers before, Larry, But Ray, you had a very
lucky event happened while you were in England. So why
don't we start off with why don't you explain what
happened and what your motives were while you were there?
Speaker 4 (04:14):
Okay, Well, I've always been fascinated with Stonehenge and had
been there twice before, but since becoming a move On
field investigator just over a year ago, I was researching
more and reading about it being a UFO hotspot and
the different aspects of the Druids and their beliefs and
(04:34):
their belief structures, and then fascination with the stones and
how they were moved in place way before it was
able to have even wheels to do that, and I've
always found it very fascinating. So I decided to go
back there after becoming an investigator, to do a CE
five experience, which I can talk about when we get
to the slides, and see if I could find Nhi
(04:58):
or any UFOs over the stone and reagion and see
if that hot spot was a real thing. So I
went over in a CE five event with my wife
and stayed with two friends and over which is only
about twenty minutes from Stonehenge, and we conducted a CE
five event, and I thought I would just calibrate equipment
and make sure that I could carry everything that I
(05:19):
planned and carry on luggage and things like that. But
we were actually able to see a fast mover and
my good friend Larry did the photo analysis on it,
and so that's yeah, that's how that came about. So
I've only been back for about a week and a half,
maybe two weeks.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Yeah, so this was a recent event, which is always
exciting when you can talk about it right afterwards. Larry,
why don't you give us a little bit of an
idea of what fast movers are and how you discovered them.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Fast mover, Well, I'll have to mainly tell you how
I discovered it, and then i'll give it away. When
I first started seeing UFOs, he was in twenty four team,
and I realized at the very beginning that I wasn't
doing very well. I needed to get a better camera
(06:08):
than what I had, and so I got a decent
one and I started taking some videos and these were
just random videos, and I discovered one that was shooting
up and then it took a dip down and then
went up again. Basically, it was shooting up and then
(06:30):
it took a ninety degree turn and then a precisely
forty five degree wasn't forty degrees, wasn't forty eight degrees,
it was for five. The ninety was precisely ninety, And
you know, stuff just doesn't do it that precisely. And
did a zig zeb going up. But the only way
I saw it was.
Speaker 5 (06:50):
By going frame by frame, and I thought I saw
something that didn't look right when I was playing the video,
and so I went back to that spot and started
going slowly, you know, frame by frame, and that's how
I saw it. That's basically the story with any fast mover,
you really can't see it. It's fast, it's fast, usually
(07:11):
less than a second, and it's gone and done what
it's going to do. And and so you really when
you look at a video, I find that I need
to just scan it slowly for anything unusual that could
be a fast mover. And it's amazing how often they
(07:34):
are there.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
And you've been doing, you know, this video analysis work
for quite some time and seeing many many videos submitted
by investigators and witnesses, and so I would say, now
you are probably the expert in the field of fast
mover video analysis. And so you know, we were very
(08:00):
lucky that Ray, of course, being an investigator, had to
write equipment and who was able to capture a UFO
and then you did the analysis on it. So why
don't we go ahead, Ray, why don't you give your
short presentation here and that will let everybody know what
happened and then Larry will show his analysis.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Okay, great, okay, Well, thank you for the introduction, Margie.
And first of all, I have to credit Larry right
out of the chute, because I had seen previously where
he had shown us images of these fast movers and
it's only in an instant that you see it. So
I filmed for forty five minutes using a night vision camera,
(08:46):
and then I went back and looked at the whole
forty five minutes frame by frame, and only found this
half a second black flash. And I would have discounted
that if I hadn't seen Larry do that before. So
I'm going to talk a little bit about Stonehenge. What
you see in the slide in front of you that
that's a previous photo that we took from our earlier
(09:07):
trip in twenty eleven, and I'll see if I can
get into a screen view. So a C five event,
I'm going to talk a little bit about that, and
then the concept of the operation, a little bit about druids,
(09:28):
and then Stonehenge is a UFO hotspot our CE five
event that we had about two weeks ago, and then
just a little bit about lessons learned. So doctor Stephen
Greer coined the term a CE five event, which is
short for close Encounter of a fifth kind, where he
describes the ability of a human initiated contact with an
(09:50):
extraterrestrial presence. So you're kind of trying to initiate a
UFO sighting through mental processes, and so by following some
protocols meditation, light and sound, a person can often initiate
contact with a non human intelligence or NHI and observe orbs,
(10:13):
sometimes craft or occasionally actually beings and primarily two things.
The group is mentally prepared, they've done some meditation, they're serious,
and they're focused with an open mind. You often hear
the term of a loving relationship and an open relationship
that you're willing to accept something to happen, and then
(10:36):
having receptive thoughts and positive intentions. So the concept of
the operation was a conducting event at Stonehenge, validate my
equipment list, introduce our friends in England. They didn't really
know that I was gonna want to go to Stonehengine
do this before we were invited over, but they were
open to it. And I think it's important to add
(10:59):
that if you ever do one of these, it's important
that people are open to the experience. Margie and I
talked about this before I went, and that you don't
want a skeptic or a naysayer or a negative person
that can really mess up that energy so I wanted
to use the tools and equipment that I had capture
some baseline data and then photo analysis and then some
(11:20):
lessons learned. Just very briefly on stonehand it's about five
thousand years old religious gathering place, and the stones are
aligned in alignment with the summer and winter solstices, and
there also been burials of the dead there, and the
stones that are there were transported from hundreds of miles away,
(11:44):
and they don't know how that wheels were not in
use at the time. They must have used some type
of sleds. I just read the other day that the
main altar stone was brought from a much further than
they originally thought, now up in Scotland, over four hundred
miles away, and so I just find it fascinating to
(12:04):
research that. And it's been a UFO hotspot for quite
some time. So tourists have reported objects, sometimes craft orbs
colored lights right over the stones. And then there have
been some recent articles about lay lines, and so these
are lines that are supposed to hypothetically align ancient sites
(12:26):
or energy sites from around the world, and Stonehenge is
supposed to be an intersecting point for fourteen of those
and then the mystical practices of the droids could also
relate to the UFO sightings there. On the day of
the ce Vibe event, we had tended to do a
recon and find our route the day before or earlier
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in that day, and that didn't work out. So we
had to find a location kind of on the fly
as it was getting close to dark, but we were
able to do that. We found a site about a
mile and a half away from the stones. We could
see the stones from where we were, but we were
set up right next to a British Artillery impact range
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and and so that's what you see our friend Jem
getting things out of the truck right by this this
impact range. So it was very it was a heavily
militarized area and uh and a lot of fields in
that kind of thing around us. What you see on
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the left is a little bit of the equipment that
I had set up. It's a custom head I made
for my camera and then some of the equipment that
I had with me. On the right hand side is
all of the UFO gear that I took and I
was able to fit all that into a carry on
bag through the through the airline, so nothing really out
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of the ordinary. The site Alex Pro camera as a
night vision camera. That was my primary camera that I
took the images that i'll show you, and then the
Fleer one thermal camera. If you see my tripod, that's
my iPhone with the Fleer camera operating through the through
the iPhone so and then I was also filming through
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a GoPro and through my iPhone sixteen pro. So I
won't talk about all the rest of that equipment. We
can certainly talk about that a little bit later if
anybody wants to go into more detail. What you see
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in the upper left hand side, that is one of
the apps that we commonly use as move on investigators.
It's a Theodolite app. It's really used for surveying, but
we use it for a lot of things because there's
a lot of data that's there. So where you see
the cross hears, the stonehand formation is in the distance
behind those crosshairs. Right below that the old light image
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is the max zoom on my iPhone sixteen. Just to
give you an idea, that's what I could see from
where I was standing at the max zoom from my camera.
On the right is an image from Google Earth. It's
a bird's eye view, and right at the top where
you see the little yellow pin, that's where we were
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set up looking to the south and the red line
leaning down to Stonehenge, the rock formation at one point
sixty three miles to the south. Our friends that we
were there with left or right, our wonderful host Susie,
me and my wife Diane, and then Susie's son Jem
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and just below that the image of Stonehenge. We took
that image that day from Alpha three to three A
three oh three, which is the main highway that runs
along the side of it. On the upper right hand side,
you can see the timeline. We got there about seven thirty.
It wasn't quite dark yet. I took some wind readings,
some temperature, magnetic field readings, spectrum readings about seven forty
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All of my readings were absolutely normal. They were normal
from a baseline I took the day before in andover
and then they were also normal.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
That day.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
I filmed continuously with the Psionics camera and then we
packed it up and closed it out about eight forty five.
During this event, I used laser flashes with a laser
pointer with a diffusing head, and then I also played
some Native American chanting music with drums over a bluetooth
speaker in hopes of stimulating some type of activity. We
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also had an unexpected encounter with a guy who claimed
that he was the head DREWI, which was totally unexpected,
and he came wheeling up on us after we had
only set up for just a few minutes and announced
that he was the head droid. Wanted to know what
we were doing there. And here you see an image
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on the left just it's getting dark from my phone,
and then the image on the right is the same
image taken with a fleer and you can just briefly
see the druid. He's in my hot spot on my
fleer image to the right, and I'll show you a
picture of him in a second. So, as we alluded
to earlier, I did see a fast mover, and from
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looking at forty five minutes of video, it only just
very briefly flashed, and I went back and looked at it,
and then we were able to find some more appearances
of that same object that I'll show you in just
a minute.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Hey, right, go back to that druid. What did he
say to you?
Speaker 4 (17:53):
Most of it was drunken profanity. Oh a whole lot
of details. Okay, Jem Susie's son was giving me some
top cover, so he was over there talking to the
guy while I'm trying to do the filming and that
kind of thing. But it was it was pretty unexpected.
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He kept kept wanting to know why I was filming
him and what I was doing. So you see, here
is jam with the druid over here on the four
by four, and I'm trying to film past him, and
he kept wanting to know why I was taking his
picture and what I was going to do with the video.
And it was really kind of odd. Ironically, the photo
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that you see, or the image that you see on
the left side, I pulled this down from the internet today.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Just let me.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
Let me pull down what a typical druid of the
time in the BC to six hundred CE would have
looked like. And if you look at the face of
this guy I pulled down from the Internet, and then
you look at the guy on the four by four,
I think with a little beard, clean it up and
it's some success reason in rope. It could be the guy.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
It could be he could be reincarnated, sure, or.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
You know, they're still an active group, so they still
do separate celebrate the Solstices, so they are active and
dress up in costumes and things like that. So yeah,
who knows it could be. So, as we've talked about
the suspected fast mover, this is a screenshot from my
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psionics camera and this was the only image that I
saw and it was only there for about a half
a second, and so I sent the video to Larry.
I sent him this still image and we were able
to go back and reconstruct it with with Larry doing
his magic, he was able to break this down. And
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I'm going to show you that when when I hit
the next button, you see four circu on your screen.
And when I hit the next button, it's going to
start a loop.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Of this video.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
And as I start that, you're going to see a
truck that goes by on the road in the bottom,
and then immediately after that, you're going to see the
same object appear in each of those four circles, moving
from left to right. All right, well, I hope, I
hope that I can make it run. Just skipped over
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it without playing Margie.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
All right, now, all right, Well, darn it all.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
Right, Well, hopefully we will be able to revise that
so we can show that playing. But this is part
of the video analysis from that that Larry did. So
back in the eighties, Norad coined the term fast mover
because they were seeing these really fast moving objects from
these downward looking DoD satellites and clocking some of these
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objects over six thousand miles an hour. And so what
Larry did was he broke that video down into separate frames.
And where you see that yellow number one, If you
look right below that number one, you can see a
really faint dot that is the first image of the
fast mover. The red dot just to the right of
that is the second image. The third dot right next
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to that in blue, and then there's another one on
the video that I captured as it got up into
the tree line in the upper right hand side. So
and all of that took place in zero point twenty
seven seconds. So we don't know how fast it was
going because we didn't have a frame of reference that
we could compare it to and to be able to triangulate.
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But it must have been going at least a few
thousand miles an hour across the sky that fast. That's
a little speculation.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
On my part.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
But under the number two you can see the enhancements
that Larry made of the initial object. So the actual
object from the video is the little dot on the
top up below that he was able to pull out
what the shape of that object was, and then in
the bottom where he enhanced it, he was able to
clean up the edges. So you can see that that
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object is a different shape than when it appeared in
frame number three. It had become more round. It was
really quite quite different. So and we know that from
previous fast mover encounters that Larry's investigated before that changing
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shapes of these is not an uncommon thing.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
It looks like it gets bigger too.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
It is coming from farther away to closer. So under
number one, Larry, do you want to add anything you
did all the work on this.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Well, yeah, it's coming in at an angle towards us,
and so that's why, for one reason, it's so much
smaller and fainter. Then as it gets closer, it gets
larger and darker, and so that's why you know that's happening.
It's not going exact distance the same distance it's coming
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at an angle towards us.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
So you know, what I find interesting about this and
others that you've analyzed is that the distance between each
each of the frames are where you capture it is
an equal distance. Does that make sense? So for the
distance from one to two and two to three looks
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like it's pretty much the same.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
It just depends on the dynamics of what's going on.
But yeah, I mean they're going so fast that when
you do just see one going in across the frame,
and you know, say two frames across the screen, two frames,
then yeah, they probably are going about the same speed.
(24:01):
So and that would be the true also for the
one you just showed there. Ray. It's just that the
distances are different because it's it's it's the way that
it looks. It's a parallax, and it looks differently as
it's coming from a way towards you.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
Thank you there, Okay, I have just a couple of
observations and then and then just maybe two more slides.
So from my observations, the druid showed up very shortly
after we got set up. We had really only started
filming before he showed up, and he stayed for quite
a while He probably stayed for twenty twenty five minutes
(24:42):
the fast mover. There were four of us there and
none of us were able to see it with the
naked eye, so if you remember we talked about only
flashing for about half a second, none of us really
would have seen it. So we left there thinking that,
oh darn, it was a fun time. We had a
great event, but we didn't see anything, and it was
until I was at home and able to analyze it
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on a twenty seven inch screen. So the sighting took
place before I shine the laser pointer with the diffusing head,
and before any of the blazing bear drum chanting, So
those apparently didn't really have anything to do with our success.
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And as I mentioned before, all the equipment readings were normal.
A few lessons learned. I would have liked to have
done the recon and site selection with a little bit
more prep time. We were a little bit rush, but
it worked out fine, and I knew from our last
visit the Stonehenge visitor center closes at dark, so we
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would not have been able to see the monument from
the visitor center, so we had to go out that
perimeter to that mile and a half away that was
absolutely as close as we could get to it without
going in through the gate. I found that the Fleer
camera used a significant amount of battery power, and I
(26:05):
ran out of juice really pretty fast. I needed to
have an auxiliary power source hooked up to that while
I was filming. The other thing that I found is
that that Fleer camera works through my iPhone and I
couldn't film with both the iPhone video and the Fleer
at the same time. So that was just a minor
lesson learned, And probably one of the best lessons learned
(26:27):
is I found that I could pack all that stuff
just in carry on so it was pretty much all
of one carry on bag, but I was able to
get everything, including one of my tripods that it's not
my best tripod, but it collapsed small enough that it
fit and I was able to get everything. Probably the
only other thing that I would have added was a
(26:49):
laser rangefinder so that I could have ranged the power
lines and the trees. That might have helped Larry a
little bit more with his analysis. So it was a
great event. It was a success. It met all of
my objectives. Our dear English friends Susie and Jem thank
you for having us there. It was a very special event,
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very time spent with them, and meeting the head droid
was unexpected. It was unexpected bonus and I wish I
would have had a chance to talk to him rather
than being focused on what I was doing. But all
in all, it was a very positive experience and glad
that we went.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Well.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Thank you so much, Ray, and we're going to take
a short break. We'll be back with Larry Tyree and
he's going to discuss his analysis.
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Speaker 2 (29:09):
And we're back with the next news. I'm Margie k
and we're speaking tonight with Ray Graham and Larry Tyree
about a sighting not a sighting, actually a video capture
of a UFO over Stonehenge. And so now Larry will
send it over to you for your analysis.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Okay, I'm actually going to be showing some examples of
fast movers since we wrote the first book. First book. Okay,
that's because it's going to get the right.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
I think you need to put it on slideshow at
the top middle.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
Yeah. For some reason, I'm not able to access.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
My Oh you don't see slide.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
Okay, there you go. It disappeared.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
There you go right there.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Yeah, okay, is that the next slide?
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Well, it's still it's not showing slide show even though
you've selected it, it's not doing it, but we can
still see it.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
I mean, did the side the slide move.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Though, No, the slide didn't move. It's on the beginning slide.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
There.
Speaker 6 (30:37):
There we go.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
You're seeing that now, Okay, yes, well maybe we'll just
stick with that. Okay, So what is a fast mover?
I'm going to start with some of the ones that
really got my attention early on, and this would be
in August of twenty fourteen when I was first and
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to see UFOs And we're going to see a clip
here if it'll play. Are you seeing it?
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Yes? Nope, that was fast.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Now let me play it again this time. You know
what to look for is sort of yeah, there's all
kinds of things flashing across the screen.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
There are.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
Well, this is one of one of the objects from
fram twenty four to twenty five to twenty six went
across the screen. You see how it's kind of like
tucking in. It's uh alerons or or its flight wings.
But it's not an insect. However, if you look at insects,
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they look very different. They they don't have wings that
change shape, they don't they have all kinds they have
three different parts of the body, they have antenna, they
have legs, and you see none none of that as
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this thing flies across. And it just went across so
fast it was hard to follow it. Here's actually some
of the objects that were in there. There is this
real light white ball sphere and other intensified and then
here there's a black one. There's a white rod and
I'm not sure what you would call that this when
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you look at it in some way as it looks
at it's reminiscence of Starship Enterprise. But I'm sure that's
not what it is. Because anyway, that was just a
few of the objects that flew by real fast. Yes,
just to give you an idea why they're called fast movements,
that just really go by fast. And then in July
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of twenty sixteen, I took a random video and was
really surprised. I didn't look at it for a couple
of months. Actually, I just took the video and then
I was all surprised to find out what happened. Basically,
this is from the first to the end of the
object with the flat shaped disc came from the top
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down to the bottom left. And let's just play this
brief video. I need to crop this, but you saw
that and how quickly it went by. I'll do it
just one more time. But it turns out it was
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going very fast. That was fast. Okay, we're up here.
The top where you have the far right yellow pushpin
is where it first enters the screen. The second one
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is where it leads the screen. And then here's where
it ended up in the tiny little lake off of
this larger Blue Springs lake that's not you know. Okay,
here we go, and here's just one of the frames
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in the middle, and I enhanced it a bit, and
this is what it looks like a disc as it
was flying through very rapidly. I was able to calculate
on this one the speed It was about twenty one
d and sixty miles per hour, and it was just
a fraction of a second before it entered the water.
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And then we've gone probably underground to a base or something.
But we just don't have the technology to do that,
you know, within that short of distance to slow down
to almost nothing and not crash into the earth or
into the lake at twenty one hundred miles an hour.
So it's obvious that this is something that's way beyond us.
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That was just some of my favorite ones that happened
almost ten years ago that really got my attention on
fast movers. So since our first book, here's a little
bit of an update from to twenty twenty five. Basically,
I've discovered that a lot of the fast movers can
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be found over bodies of water. I intennically. One day,
in fact, decided to test that theory out, and so
I went to about five local lakes to where I
was living in Missouri at the time. And you'll see
in just a moment that in every single situation, at
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every lake I visited, I feels one usually multiple, you know, three, four,
five of them. Now, this is a case that happened
in twenty twenty in Liberty, Missouri, and you'd probably see
in the top right there, above the car and the
blue you see five little smudges or actually four little
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smudges of light. Well, those are ufhones coming out of
the clouds. And here's they're a bit better to see,
but mainly you just see the light because they're still
being hidden a lot by the clouds. That night, I
focused on this brighter one and I was able to
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get some detail out of it. You can actually see
a line separating the top in the middle. There's actually
another one up here on kind of a rounded bump
near the top. So these were going so fast that
the person who was taking photos of his car that
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night in Liberty didn't even see anything. It had no idea.
It just happened to catch this as he was filming,
and I was able to track what direction it was
going and so on. I was able to calculate also
that the size of the craft is about thirty point
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five feet long. I was able to ask Margie to
do a remote viewing of these craft, and she was
able to find that in this first one there were
five grays and one tall gray, and then there were
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five grays at consoles in this one in the middle
one another tall beam, and the same thing with the
third one. And then in the last one, it's very faint.
There were just three grades in that one and a
tall grade standing.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
I forgot all about that, Larry. It's a good thing
you wrote that down.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
Yeah. Now we're moving to a Low's parking lot where
a witness was thinking that what he was looking at
was a UFO turned out to be a large aircraft.
But I had discovered in this particular video that there
were eight fast members. I'm just going to show a
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couple of them here, but interestingly, and this one you
can see the object moved through in zero point one
six seconds. This one, see how it changes, it changes
the direction, and then and so on, and then there
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was a secondary object near the bottom there also. Now
I and has the top one to show you what
it looks like. And it turns out that this is
about half the size of that craft that's flying through
the air. It's an aircraft, and it's about one hundred
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and seventeen feet long, or the aircraft is about two
hundred and thirty four feet long. The reason I know
this is this particular fast mover went right through the contrail.
I won't take the time to show how that happened,
but so we know that it was. It's at that distance,
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and it's at so we were able to easily track
the size of it.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
What was interesting about that case is that the person
who was taking the pictures thought that that aircraft was
a UFO yep, and that was his reason. Of course,
he didn't see there were actually fast movers around it exactly.
Speaker 3 (40:05):
And that's that's always the case. People are just unaware
that these things exist, and I find all of them.
I find them all the time.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
Mm hm.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
Uh. And so here's a second time. I went to
verify what was going on, and I found a bunch
more fast movers on that occasion. And you can see
how it changes even here, it changes in shape, just
like the video from Ray's experience. And then here's the
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one in which the top left it looks like three objects,
but actually it's just the way the camera captured it,
and you can see it moving across. Here's the far
right one. You see the object coming down. It's very
very difficult to see, but I enhanced at the bottom
it became two. It merged into two. And by the way,
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it was the size of a basketball at thirty eight
one hundred feet, which was the cloud base. It was
just right under the clouds, traveling at forty eight hundred
miles an hour. Here's that UFO I was telling you about.
So there was one I captured and I enhanced one
of the images. This one was going relatively slowly at
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five hundred and forty seven miles an hour. Here's another lake.
I found these two going across in different directions, about
fourteen hundred miles an hour on the larger one.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
What do you think the reason is why they're hanging
around lakes so much?
Speaker 3 (41:54):
Well, I lived about half a mile from Lake of
Blue Springs Lake, and every day that we lived there,
over the years that we lived there, at any time
the day, I could go and take a video of
random video and I would catch cask movers either going
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down into the lake or coming up from the lake. Now,
there has to be a reason for that. I believe
that they have a base down underneath the lake. It's
not in the lake because it's too shallow, but underneath
the lake. Who the heck's going to be able to
go down there and visit them? And so you know,
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that's why I believe that there's in many cases there
are craft living or the inhabitants living in some kind
of a base down below it. So here's another one
twelve hundred and fifty seven miles an hour. The size
of that particular object about eight and a half feet
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in diameter. Now here's one witness submitted. You see the
two frames at the bottom of the right that are
in black. That was to enhance the object, and basically
I was able to prove that it was flight Southwest
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Airlines flight six sixty three. But in addition, I found
a bunch of fast movers and so you see some
of them right there. And then about a month, in fact,
it was exactly one month to the day, they had
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another saying and they sent that one off because they
were sure there was UFO. And the center image is
what I was able to make it larger so I
could see what was going on, and it turns out
it's that type of plane on the far left, and
you can sort of see once I've enhanced it and
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opened it up, you can actually see the tail a
little bit as it's haining up there. But once again
I also found some more fast movers and you see
changing the angle as it flies back on the right
hand one, it makes a real severe turned down and
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once again they're here's more. Now, this one here is
an interesting one. This is once i'd moved to Chicago
assigned this one case where there's this object only in
one frame, and I enhanced it and you could actually
see it blurred as it was rising, and we were
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able to calculate that this one was going very rapidly.
We don't know how far away it was, but for example,
if it was four miles, it would have been traveling
at about thirty nine hundred miles per hour, which is
about mark five point two down to if it had been,
for example, a mile away, it was traveling about nine
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seventy two miles an hour. It just depends on where
it was, and there was no way to tell for sure.
Albinau is we were lucky to the witness is lucky
to capture that particular image of it looks tick tack like.
And then here's one that turns out that the object
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happened to be identified as a plane. But then I
caught several fast movers in this case, and the one
on the left here it's really nice shape. It's very
very interesting. The one on the right is very very odd.
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In less than a second point ninety three seconds, it
started at the bottom and it made this all these
different jigs and jags going up and then left all
that in less than a second. Yeah, that was the
most intricate ones.
Speaker 2 (46:14):
That's pretty unusual, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (46:17):
Yeah, Usually they're they're just going by fast. But every
once in a while you'll see one doing that like
the first one I saw that was the Zigzag, only
this is much more complicated. We like to do skywatches
and move on around the world. UFO Day which is
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June twenty fourth, and so helping in that spirit. I
went out the night before just to see what was
going on. I think we were having a coordinated event
that night, and I waited until about ninety of the
left of nine pm when it was not quite dark
but still talking, and I was able to capture this
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object is shooting up and I enhanced it off to
the right.
Speaker 2 (47:12):
That one was kind of foggy.
Speaker 3 (47:15):
Well, it's going so fast that it's some of it
wasn't able.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
To Yeah, it's start to tell the crisp.
Speaker 3 (47:23):
But it took about yeahero point four seconds. Yeah, is
how long it is available. That's still doing pretty fast.
And altogether I've investigated about three hundred and six cases,
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of which one hundred and seventy one were moved on
assigned to me. One hundred and thirty five I've done
consulting for other field investigators. Then when you had my
personal ones, comes to over three hundred and six week,
three hundred and forty six, and I've found that about
twenty percent of all the cases are fast movers. So
(48:10):
that's one in five.
Speaker 2 (48:14):
Well, that's twenty percent of anything is a significant number.
Speaker 1 (48:19):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
And you know, in ufology we have been used to
hearing about and talking about what you would call standard UFO,
the one that's stationary or it's it's moving so that
you can see it. People are just now getting a
handle on fast movers. There is a YouTube channel by
(48:42):
doctor Robert Schip and I've had him as a guest
on this program. He is he's got a camera set
up with just a fantastic setup in California, and he
is capturing them on a constant daily basis and putting
this information up. But what I've noticed is in nearly
(49:05):
every video where there's a fast mover, there's also a craft.
There's a Coastguard helicopter or military craft or you know
some of their large helicopters or planes, and there are
fast movers just flying all around them. They seem to
(49:26):
be interested in the aircraft. And now, so I've got
to ask the question, in everything that you've investigated, do
you have an opinion on that?
Speaker 3 (49:40):
Yeah? Early on, in fact, it was my second sighting
ever once I started noticing them and knowing what to
look for. I actually saw a plane, a jet, just
a regular jet passenger jet coming down as it was
(50:00):
headed towards Kents City International Airport. So I was in
you know where I released some of it is. So
it was coming by on that flight path towards Kansas
City International and right behind it an object. I'd been
looking at this one object. It was a spherical object
(50:21):
and it had risen from blowed rising up, and it
just stopped. Then That's when I saw the jet coming
into view and then go across, and then it just
silently followed the jet. Now why who knows. But even
when we had the the Kansas City Flat in twenty
(50:46):
nineteen June twentieth of twenty nineteen, it was interesting. We
had so many fast movers that day looking at not
only the room balloons that were in the area, but
also at the other objects that were not loons that
(51:06):
were all over the Kansas City area. There was at
least five pairs of objects that each one of them
had fast movers each one of those sightings too. And
they're just going by zikety split right by them. That
just can't be a coincidence, So there must be some
interest either in monitoring what they're doing or seeing what
(51:30):
their capabilities are. So who knows it's we can only
guess at it.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
Yeah, I would. I would say they're more likely to
be monitoring us than the other.
Speaker 3 (51:45):
Yes, yes, sure, yeah.
Speaker 2 (51:48):
It's it's interesting. We've got a question that I'll ask
both of you. Do you think fast movers are more
credible than the other sightings?
Speaker 3 (51:58):
I'll just jump in this. They're no more credible or
any less credible. Is there the same thing and they're
just going faster?
Speaker 2 (52:06):
M What say you? Ray?
Speaker 4 (52:09):
I agree with that. There are so many different types
of sightings and so many different types of experiences. That
is just a different flavor, you know. I believe the
phenomenon is real, I think, and the fact that it's
more subtle in an environment like this, you're not going
to be standing out and and just see it with
your naked eye. And so I do believe, along with Larry,
(52:34):
that it's just another type of UFO, and I think
it's as legitimate as any other one might be.
Speaker 3 (52:41):
Okay, there's all kinds of shapes like rays alluding to Yeah,
we've got all kinds of shapes in the catalog that
we move on or or asked to say, is this
and so on, But we've got new ones that have
never been haded so to happen. For example, there are
(53:03):
gigantic ones that have been observed near the sun. We
just don't even have a category. We just don't even
talk about those. And there's others that are unseen as
of yet, but a lot of people say they've had
experiences with them by either being inducted or whatever, and
they go and travel and see these gigantic things that
(53:26):
we've just never seen from Earth. So anyway, there's there's
a lot of different kinds.
Speaker 2 (53:33):
Okay, we've got another question from chat, So this is
for both of you. Did fast movers have anything to
do with flight m H three Seventyes? Yeah. Did you
see that video that somebody took or faked I can't
tell which, of fast movers jumping around the plane and
then the plane disappears from the sky.
Speaker 3 (53:56):
No, I didn't see that.
Speaker 2 (53:58):
Yeah, it's out there. What do you think, Ray?
Speaker 4 (54:03):
Well, probably the most fascinating thing about losing that aircraft
is most people didn't really realize at the time that
the plane would lose its transponder signal when it's out
over the ocean in the middle of nowhere, right and
so not tracked by anybody until they would get into
a region where they were again in airspace where they
(54:26):
could be tracked and their transponder picked up. So, you know,
it's hard to say. It's an interesting question, but what
happened to that aircraft during that time when it was
off the grid and off the radar really is anybody's guess.
It could definitely have been in the vein of the
Bermuda Triangles stories of the nine torpedo bombers that flew
(54:50):
away and just totally disappeared. We're never seen or heard
from again. So those types of things are really not
out of the realm of the possible. We just don't
have evidence beyond speculation.
Speaker 3 (55:02):
You know, there are many examples that we've we've heard
over the years of of cases where pilots have been
buzzed by these different type of craft, uh, sometimes very dangerously.
Others it's obviously that they're under they're under control and
(55:23):
know what they're doing. But you got to wonder, isn't
there maybe some time where it's not going to be
uh okay and you know, it either gets too close
and the power is lost in the plane, like it
happens to the vehicles, to cars and so on. They
(55:45):
get too close and then the whole thing shuts off.
Well did one get too close to that flight and
just tumble down? And that's just speculation.
Speaker 2 (55:57):
That's a good theory though. Okay, okay, one more question
on what date was the UFO recently seeing over Stonehenge.
Speaker 4 (56:04):
Ray, night of April, just over two weeks ago.
Speaker 2 (56:08):
Okay, ninth of April. There you go. All right, thank
you so much guys for coming on tonight. I appreciate it.
It's fascinating as always.
Speaker 4 (56:19):
Thanks for having us.
Speaker 3 (56:20):
Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 2 (56:22):
All right, Well, we are finished for this evening and
I will see you both soon. We'll be talking soon
since we work together all the time. But wait, but wait,
let me show this. This is our Fast Mover book
by myself, Bill Spicer and Larry Tyree with his pen
(56:45):
name is Wayne Lawrence. So that is out there and
another book is coming soon. What is the name of that, Larry.
Speaker 3 (56:54):
Earth sunseen Inhabitants?
Speaker 2 (56:56):
Okay, and then Ray, what is your upcoming book?
Speaker 4 (56:59):
The name of God versus Aliens is the universe big
enough for both, so we we're open now to be
published later this summer by the Publishing Network.
Speaker 2 (57:11):
Yes, sir, I am doing my best to get them
both done. Let's put it that way. Okay, well, we
are done for this evening. Thanks everybody for joining me,
and we'll see you here again next time.
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