Un-X News: Grant Cameron and his UFO contacts!

Un-X News: Margie Kay interviews Grant Cameron about UFOs, his sightings, interdimensionals, consciousness, and portals! . Grant became involved in Ufology as the Vietnam War ended in May 1975 with personal sightings of an UFO type object which locally became known as Charlie Red Star. The sightings occurred in Carman, Manitoba about 25 miles north of the Canada-US border. These sightings led to a decade of research into the early work done by the Canadian government into the flying saucer phenomena. From here Cameron proceeded to do almost two decades of research into the role of the President of the United States in the UFO mystery. Cameron was part of the team that interviewed the highest-level official in the UFO program and released the transcripts of interviews that were done back in 1990. He was part of the team that released the Admiral Wilson document, and the alien autopsy documents to the internet. He was the first to expose the Advanced Physics group’s existence and released the Oke Shannon notes that described what took place. Cameron was the first to identify Jim Semivan and alerted researchers in 2016 that major former government officials were about to come forward and say UFOs exist. Cameron released “Contact Modalities: The Keys to the Universe,” “UFOs and Portals at Mount Shasta,” “The Canadian Government UFO Story” and a book written with Nicole Sakach called “Triangle UFOs.” Cameron has just released the book “Weird: Apports and Manifestations,” “UFO Sky Pilots” about three dozen people who claimed to have flown the UFO, “The Ride” which is a series of articles. About to be released is a book on Jimmy Carter where people will learn about interviews with the presidents on the Holloman landing base story. Next book up will be “Beyond Managing Magic,” which is Volume 2 of the Managing Magic trilogy. Cameron now also runs a podcast called the “Paranormal UFO Consciousness Podcast,” which looks at all aspects of the paranormal to better understand ultimate reality. He also is a co-partner in a publishing company called ItsAllConnected.

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Episode Transcript

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It's time for the Unexed News NewExtraterrestrials, time anomalies, dimension dimensions,
remote viewing, UFOs, UAPs andUSO's, ghostly encounters, abductions, Bigfoot
and more. Your end of theweek news source for everything everything unexplained.

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Here is your host for the nextnews podcast, Margie K. Good evening,
everyone, and welcome to Unexed Newson the KUNX Digital Broadcasting Network.

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I'm your host, Margie K.And this evening, we have a really
great show for you. You're goingto love. Our guest, I do
want to mention a couple of things. We've got some fantastic conferences coming up.
Please take a look at Journey toTruth at Contact in the Desert and

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of course x Con twenty twenty four. If you go to onex network dot
com you will see a complete listof conferences all over the world. And
if you have a conference to submit, please send it in to us and
we'll make sure that we get itup there. All right. Our guest
this evening is Grant. Cameron.Grant became involved in ufology as the Vietnam

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War ended in May nineteen seventy five, with personal sightings of a UFO type
object, which locally became known asCharlie Redstar. The sightings occurred in Carmen,
Manitoba, about twenty five miles northof the Canada US border. These
sidings led to a decade of researchinto the early work done by the Canadian

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government into the flying Saucer phenomena.From here, Cameron proceeded to do almost
two decades of research into the roleof the President of the United States in
the UFO mystery. Cameron released ContactModalities, The Keys to the Universe UFOs
and Portals at Mount Shasta, theCanadian Government UFO Story, and a book

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which is a book written by NicoleSaskotch, a Secich called Triangle UFOs.
Cameron just released the book weird APorts and manifest UFO Skypilots about three dozen
people who claim to have flown theUFO The Ride, which is a series
of articles about to be released asa book on Jimmy Carter where people will

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learn about the interviews with the presidentson the Halloween landing based story. The
next book up will be Beyond ManagingMagic, which is volume two of the
Managing Magic trilogy. Welcome to theProgram. Grant Wow, thank you and
thank you for that wonderful introduction.Well, it certainly isn't your entire bio

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by any means, because I don'tknow. I think you need about ten
pages by now, right. That'sall I had, no life, This
is all I did. This iswell, yes, you are a busy,
busy man. So let's I knowyou've done a lot over the years.
But your next book, Beyond ManagingMagic, what is that going to

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be about. It's actually the thirdbook in I've done disclosure. I hate
disclosure with the passion I keep gettingdragged back into it. The first book
I wrote on disclosure was back innineteen ninety with T. Scott Crane,
which was UFO's Area fifty one andGovernment Informants. And since then I kept

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getting dragged back into this notion ofthe fact that the government is leaking stuff.
So I wrote that that I wroteBeyond Managing Magic, which is the
idea that it's not just UFOs they'rewhat they're doing, what the CIA and
all these agencies are doing, They'redealing with magic. They know that,
they know it's a phenomenology problem,it's not necessarily a UFO problem. And

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then in twenty eighteen, I didBeyond Managing Magic, and I kept pulling
it. I figured I don't wantto go there. And I've actually got
a guy who's editing it right now, so we're about to put it up.
And there's actually gonna be two morebooks. One's going to be called
More Beyond Managing Magic, which dealswith the whole stuff that's going on now

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with the Congress, all this kindof stuff. The Beyond Managing the Managing
Magic. Beyond Managing Magic is abook that looks at the history of Tom
DeLong, what actually happened there,the different disclosure initiatives that the government's had.
And then there's going to be actuallya fifth book, Like I just
can't get rid of this, butthe fifth book will be one of the
more important books that I've ever written. In that is that you know the

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Tom DeLong story, you know theBill Moore story, Well, let me
give your heads up to doing itagain. And I'm part of this initiative
now and it's unfolding as I'm talking. I'm sort of an advisor to this
thing. I can't believe this isactually happening, and it sort of backs
up the fact that I say thatthere are people related to the government.

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They may not be in the governmentright now, but who are determined to
try to get some material out,and so there's some meetings taking place.
This is all very much a bigspy story. It's I can't believe it's
actually happened. So it'll be calledthe final book will be called Drip Drip,
the Core Secret, And that's whatthis is all about. It's about
the core secret. What is thething that they don't want to disclose in

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terms of what's actually going on.Minute ago, you mentioned the term magic
having to do with UFOs and there'sa consciousness involved in this, and I
know, I know that you havehad experience with that, as I have
for many years. The uh,it's just kind of now becoming mainstream with

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the CE five idea. Of coursesome of us have been doing that for
years before there was a CE five. But can you tell me some of
your experiences with telepathy and consciousness?Okay in this regard, I'm actually you
have another I actually have four booksthat are written there they have to go
through editing. But one of thebooks I'm going to write is it was

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going to I was going to callit the super Bowl, and then someone
told me you could get sued bythe Super Bowl people. So it's going
to be called the Big Game.And that is this idea. And what
I do in the and I gothrough orbs, I go through telepathy,
I go through the Hitchhiker Men inBlack and Poltergeist and ghosts, and I
have these little chapters and I showthat it's all the same thing. It's
basically just different interpretations of the samephenomena. And so my actual experience started

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very late, So I started innineteen seventy five. I have these two
very dramatic settings two days apart.I go out there. I don't believe
anything's going to happen. You know, there's a chance I'm going to see
something. And all these people werereporting seeing in this small town of two
thousand people. And then when Isaw it, I actually went wow,
there are like miracles. I mean, there's actually this stuff. I couldn't
believe this kind of stuff actually happened. And so I started this pursuit.

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But I was into the nuts andbolts. So I chased the Canadian government.
I chased the CIA people, highlevel CIA people. I chased the
president of the United States and actuallygot to at one point talked to a
vice president about the subject on air, and so I chased that whole thing.
And then what happened is I waswatching Colin Andrews in twenty twelve,

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and this is when I say thatI couldn't have spelled the word consciousness,
and I couldn't cared less. Andnobody was talking about Conciouness. I don't
care about him, he says.Now you'll hear people using the word consciousness
in the UFO field now, andI don't think they even know what's going
on. They just know this isa big word and you better use this
word. And as you said,you were doing it before. I had
no idea this kind of stuff actuallyexisted. And I was watching Colin Andrews

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give a lecture on crop circles andconsciousness, and it was one of these
lectures where in contact modelities that talkabout one of the ways to get into
the field, to break into whereall the answers are to talk to God
or whatever you want to talk about, is daydreaming. And that's the modality
I was using. I was justsort of zoning out. I really didn't
want to be in these. Iwas an interested in crop circles. I

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was just watching this lecture and hewas talking about this consciousness connection where you'd
have these events like a woman,these women meditating in a field for a
pattern to appear, and at thesame time, someone who's putting a pattern
down a hoax pattern in the samefield at the same time, and these
kind of connection things. And itcame to me with absolute certainty. I
was sitting there and all of asudden it popped into my head and he

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gave me three different things, andit basically just rocked my world. It
was the idea that this is whatit's about. It's about consciousness. And
the three things that gave me wasnumber one was in nineteen fifty the Canayan
government wrote a top secret memo thatit doesn't get enough attention, and in
that memo it said flying saucers existsmost highly class sized such to the United
States. I had a group aheadby doctor Vanna R. Bush's working on

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it. It's a tremendous significance tothe Americans. And we were also told
by our American officials now people onthe street, American officials that other things
might be associated with the flying saucerssuch as mental phenomena. So this document
popped into my head. At thesame time, we had the highest level
source that I think anybody's had exceptfor doctor Eric Davis talked to two presidents

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about the Hollman Air Force based film, but other than that, this is
the highest level source that anybody everhad. And he was the former chairman
of the board of the Institute forDefense Analysis, and that's where DARPA came
from. Now DARPA runs all theblack programs, and they formed DARPA.
He was on the chairman. Hewas chairman of the board. He was
a trustee right from the word go. And at one point we were talking,
trying to get him to talk,and he said, come on,
doctor Walker, an old guy.Once you release the thing. And at

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one point he breaks off. Hesays, look, let me ask you
a question. And then the guysaid what. He said, what do
you know about the SP And thenthe guy said ESP And they really didn't
have an answer. He said,Walker said, look, unless you understand
about ESP and how it works,you will not be taken in by the
control Group. Very few people understandhow it works. And that was nineteen

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ninety. He gave that interview.So when I'm watching Colin Andrews, suddenly
this pops into my head and Igo, oh, that's what Walker was
talking about. I never knew itbecause he talking rhymes and riddles. And
then the other one is escaping Ithink it was Jan Hardson talks about an
event. Oh, and he's talkingto Ben Rich. So Jan Harrison goes
to Ben Rich at the Lucky thehead of Lockeed where it's is rumored to

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be the place where they've got recoveredcrafts and stuff like that. And ben
Rich is giving this lecture at UCLA, and at the end of the lecture,
Jan hart And realizes he's gotta Hehad this experience as a young kid
and he wanted to get the answer. He said, how do they get
here? How do how does thepropulsian system work? And Bentrich turns around
and he said me, ask youa question. We don't know about sp
and Jen Harson goes, uh,well, no I don't. He said,

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look that's how it works, andhe walks out of the room and
he gets in his car and hedrives away. And so these three I
pupped into my head and it waslike, this is how it works is
good. And I at that timeI really didn't know. I knew it
was consciousness. I didn't. Andas the years have going on, has
developed more and more. It's likemore pieces came in and I realized the
complexity that you know, I'm oneof the people now believes that, as

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Seth said, you manifest what happensaround you. There is no other rule.
This bizarre idea that there may notbe time space. It all bade
me here now. And it's this, as I say, a thousand times
more complex. And people think asto what's actually going on if you really
follow some of the literature, andthe fact that nobody sees the same alien,

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nobody sees the same craft. LikeLekoski comes forward says all two hundred
thousand sightings and they also have database. All were different. And I went
and I had the people with thirtysix people through the craft. So I
went back and I looked, sureenough, no single person they all would
have it. There's a theme likean near death experience or a dream that
a theme of they would touch thecraft, they would become one with the

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craft. The craft was conscious andwhatever they thought was what would happen they
could go from here to the otherside of the galaxy instantaneously. And the
thing was nobody touched the same thing. I could not believe it when I
went back and one would touch aball, one touch beehive, one touch
the panel, one touched a panelon the wall, and I thought,
what's the chances that everybody did somethingdifferent? But they all it was the

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same theme. So that's where I'vesort of gotten. Now, I'm into
this complexity about is there an objectiveworld out there or are we part of
the world we see. You caneven go back to Kit Green, the
guy. If you have a UFOexperience in the high level of general or
government official, they send you toKit Green because Kit Green's worked on this.

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He was the control officer of theremote programming in the nineteen seventies,
and he's the guy that tries tofigure out is the Russians brainwashing you?
Are you crazy? Or have youbeen abducted? And that's that he's trying
to figure out. And he saysthe same thing that you can have two
people in the same event who suetwo different beings, and that's this idea
that we are part of what we'reseeing. We want to believe there's this

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subjective world, and I think that'spart of what they're covering up, is
the fact that they really don't understandthis any better than we do, and
that it's this very complex thing thatmay not be as nuts and bolts as
people think it is. Yes,it does seem to be that an experience
is just for that person, orthat they get out of it what they

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need to get out of it.I've seen this over and over again in
my own investigations. You will havefive people observing the same thing and they
all come away with a different description. Yeah, Or you get the people
where they'll say, oh, Ijust had I don't think I've been abducted.
I think I said dreams about beingabducted or with a with aliens.

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And then I'll go, so anythingelse happened weird in your life and they
go, oh eh, they starttinking ghosts, the house is haunted,
and that's what he realized. That'sI remember. I asked Yvon Smith one
time. I said, Avon,he did all these regressions of all these
people, I said, how manyof them have had paranormal phenomena after they
had the experience? And she startslaughing, she goes, like ninety nine
percent. And that's what people don'trealize is that that experiencers start to have

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apports and manifestations, they start tobe pre cognitive. They can heal people.
Fifty percent according to the Free Survey, fifty percent of people say either
they were healed or somebody in theirfamily was healed, and that they can
heal other people. And remember RayHernandez saying, if I had a dollar
for every person that told me theydid recky healing, I'd be a millionaire.
It's like just everybody's into this kindof stuff, and that's when you

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start to realize this is much morecomplex. That's why Ron Pandolfi, who's
this guy that's supposedly rumored to briefthe president. That's what he said in
nineteen ninety one to a guy bynamed Dan Smith when he first became involved.
He said to Dan Smith, hedidn't talk about you if she said,
we have a phenomenology problem. Andthat's what it is. It's phenomenology.
It's all these different things. Andif you're in the CIA or the
National Intelligence or whatever it is,what you realize is if we can perfect

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this like you're familiar with the slidenine that they used to brief the Senate
and the House, the slide ninethat talks about all the threats and they
talk about putting stuff through metal andtelepathy and stuff. And that's why they
went to skin Rocker Ranch. Peoplesay, oh, they went to UFOs.
Jack Valet, if you read hisdiary in nineteen ninety seven, nineteen
ninety six, he's going, whatare you doing in Skinrock Ranch' No UFOs

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here, we waste our time.What's Biller want us to do here?
And the thing was they went therebecause they were putting four bulls inside a
trailer, inside a locked trailer,and of course the intelligence went, whoa,
man, if we could do that. Or they had these special Forces
guys that had this message that camein their head and said leave, you
are not welcome, and these guyswere so scared they never went back to
the ranch and that kind of stuff. Man, if we could develop this
kind of technology. Or the storythat when they had the portal that they

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the military actually came in. Thisis a story that was told. They
actually came in and they sealed thething off. Even Ieople in the in
Skinwalker Ranch weren't given access to this, and they were very interested when this
story about the portal opening in thisthis being came out. That's what the
intelligence services looking at. You andI may be looking at some sort of
spiritual thing as to you know whywe're interested in this. There it to

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them, it's all military, it'sall weapons. If we can develop this
kind of stuff, if you cantalk in the foreign leader's head and tell
me she's talking to God and Iwant you to surrender or do this or
do that, or even in myport book, I detail already in nineteen
seventy four, I document from theDefense Intelligence Agency that ran the asset program
that everybody's familiar with. In nineteenseventy four, they write a document about

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ports and to paraphrase what they said, they said, if we could perfect
this technology, we could actually goto the enemy. We could go into
the safe, get the documents,bring them back to Washington, photocopy them,
put them back in the vault,and they would never even know we
were there. And that's what they'relooking at. Yeah, yeah, you
know, back to Skinwalker Ranch fora minute. They're back on now for

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a new season. I don't knowif you've seen it recently, but they
just showed last night where they've gotsome light ar I believe involved where they
did some type of scanning and youcan see these round circles that are right
exactly where this portal is located.And I've remote viewed that site from the
beginning and I saw a portal there. And so gradually over the years they

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have discovered this portal and they've gottensome images of it. So when you
said that the government sealed it off, I wonder if it's the same portal
or if there might be two there. Yeah, I my recollection of the
story, and I have to verifythat it actually because I was I never
heard of this until a couple monthsago. That was when Eric Davis.

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There was Eric Davis and a coupleother people and they were going around and
this thing opened up and his beingcame out. I think that's what it
was. Because they were all connectedto the government of the time, like
Eric Davis and all these guys,the government had insights in there. They
knew exactly what was happening, andthat's when I heard that. They just
came in there were so interested andI remember John and Alexander I remember there
was a story that Sid Goldbert fromGuy at TV tells me that he was

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interviewing John Alexander, who was themanager of the whole Skinwalker ranch when they
first bought it. He was withBigelow and stuff like that, and I
remember Sid was telling me he keptasking John Alexander. The interview was over
and they were in the parking lotand he was asking John about so John
about this UFO setting. And thenJohn cuts him off and he says,
look, it's not about the UFOs, It's about the portals. And he

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gets in his current drives away andthen whoa. He said that it's like
because I did this book on portalsat Skinwalker at Mount Shasta. I actually
did two books, and the onebecause I was fascinated with these Misharama people
and they called them xendras and theycould open these things up. And the
idea that they had was like aC five. But what you would do
is you'd use meditation and owming andand stuff like that to raise your vibration.

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Then the theory was that the beingswould lower their vibration and they meet
in the middle and they would openup these portal things. And they meet
him and they could take seven peopleinto these xendras. So I knew there
was an eventa Coppy in twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen. And then I started
got dragged into this thing, verybizarre where the girl used to help me
edit books. She was a andthese are all Latino people, so everything

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everybody speaks Spanish there, and soshe said, do you want to come
to Mount Shasta. We're going tomeditate for a royal peace. And I
said, well, Katerina, youknow, I really don't have anything against
meditation, and I don't have anythingagainst world peace, but I don't think
I want to sit on the sideof a mountain in California and meditate for
world piece. And she kept sayingit, and I went, well,
she helped me out a lot,so I'll go to California and I'll go
meditate up for world peace on theon the on the mountain. And I
knew they had opened these portal thingslike, well, okay, we'll go

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there. And my assistant and Iwere traveling across the country and that's just
you see these bizarre events that startto happen, and suddenly there's a phone
call and Antrell, who's the beingthat is supposed to be appearing there.
There's this message from Mantrell through Ricardo, through Paula Harris, through Caterina,
and Katerina says, hey, shesays, we got a message from Manterell
for you. I said, amessage from me from Antrell, because then

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I knew I talked to Chris Blutsoeand he had a message for me about
music. He said, I gota message from the Guardians for you.
And I said, what was it, Chris? He said, well,
they told they want you to knowthe messages and the music. And I
said, well, Chris, Idon't listen to music. You're talking the
wrong guy. So I knew fromChris Blutsoe that turned out to be a
book called Tuned in the Paranormal Worldof Music, so I knew to listen

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carefully. So I said, thedeath of my assistant. I said,
so what's Atorelle say? What getexact message? Exactly what he's saying,
And they're sort of like they wantedme to post it on Facebook. And
he said, we know Grant's comingto the Mountain and there's going to be
what they call a program sighting onSaturday night. So program sighting is in
Mission Rama. They do this allthe time where two people will get a
message and they're telepathic messages and theseare automatic writing and when they get two

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people who agree on message, theyknow and this message came in this would
happen at nine thirty three on thisSaturday night. That's exactly when it happened.
It was so bizarre, so theythey When I went there, I
thought, oh wow, you're gonnaopen a portal, one of these Xenra
things. And then I got reallyexcited and they do like another thing they
do is they do fasting. Soit's Wednesday, so I start to fast

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and I figure, I really don'twant to go in the portal. I
think, well, I wanted totake one of the girls in the portal.
I'm not I'm not into experiences.I had my UFO said, I
couldn't care less about seeing stuff.I'm not really that interested. But I
thought, okay, if I gotto play the game, I'll play the
game if that's what's gonna happen.And what happened was this thing was flashing
over my head, directly over myhead. It was really weird because I
thought, it's got to be withthe group. There's about one hundred and
twenty people in the group. It'sgot to be about the group. No,

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not, I think it's above myhead. And people confirmed, Yeah,
it seemed to be right above myhead. This is flashing. And
I remember Ricardo asked me when itwas all over, he said, so,
what do you think, Grant?And I'm thinking to myself, I
don't want to offend the guy,but in my head, I was going,
that's it. That's the best youcould do was flash seven times.
I mean, come on, ifyou've seen what I saw in nineteen seventy
five. And yet he started toget these automatic messages. He had this.
It was pitch dark. He's outthere and his wife's holding the cell

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phone and he's doing this automatic writing, and I go, wow, I
did I have my mini video camera. I go, why didn't I bring
the video camera to to this circle? I could have filmed this? And
then he would stop and then andthen he'd go into meditation again and open
it up and he's automatic writing.And I'm saying to Desta, he's writing
sideways up the page. He said, no, it's the way he's holding
the book said no, he's writingsideways up the page, and I was
like, it was the most bizarrething ever seen. And these were messages

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from Antrell and from this female commanderof the ship, and messages for me.
And I was like, it's likewhat I say about the UFO phenomena.
When you get into it, yourealize that you are in the super
Bowl of all stories that you get. You're on the field. Not only
do you know there's a game plan, you're playing in the most bizarre,
interesting, important event this ever happenedin human history. And I always feel
honored every day that I got tohave these really bizarre experiences. Oh absolutely,

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that that'll sound pretty wild. Yeah. I have been to Mount Shasta
and I had an experienced myself aswell there, and that is just a
magical place. If you want somethingto happen, go to Mount Shasta and
some of the stuff. I cantell you. One story that I like
to tell that doesn't made me inpublic. I think I may have put
it in one of my books,but it really hasn't gotten any attention.

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That was This event keeps going.So it started twenty fourteen. There was
an event twenty fifteen with that Correll. Then this a Dama who's one of
the there's thirty three different aliens fromthis Apoo planet when this this whole and
it's all Latinos, like I thinkmy mission was to write these two books
to bring it to the English speakingworld because it was all Latino. And
in twenty twenty, these people thatwere at the former events got dragged in

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again and they got messages to goback to Mount Shasta and this Adama guy
who's going to show up in twentytwenty, but that was COVID, so
we didn't go down there, andthey were on one hundred and eleven people
in the Dama set. One hundredeleven people show up, we will show
up and so the only thing theydon't got forty four forty five people or
whatever. And then Katarina, whois my assistant, she was there and

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another friend of mine from Chicago wasthere, and uh so they told me
this story that is the wildest storyI've ever heard in my life. This,
this is this how these things workat Mount Shasta with this uh these
a Poo aliens or whatever they are, and they're all they're they're different types
of sailings there they were very heavyset. Everybody describes them like Michael Phelps,
a swimmer, very muscular, wearingthis tight thing, beautiful like out

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of the Bible, this long hairand flowing hair and stuff like that.
And so these forty four people,and there's a whole pre story. They
had to go to Sodona, Arizonaand touch three different things and the rain
was coming and then stop, andit's just this bizarre story. But anyway,
they show up there and this isSaturday morning, so the event usually
happens on the Saturday night Sunday morning, everybody goes home. So they're having
a birthday party at two o'clock inthe morning and there's seven there's nine people

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around this thing, and I've gotthree of them on camera. They're telling
this story. The first they didn'twant to tell a story, and by
the time the interview was over,there all fighting to tell the story.
And so they're sitting there and they'rein pitch blocks. So they're sitting in
the middle of the field. Well, if you've been there, it's the
sand flats, so there's no trees, but there's this sort of sandy area
and they're sitting there having this birthdaypart. It's two'clock in the morning and
everybody's going home at seven o'clock inthe morning or whatever. And they're sitting

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there and the one is intuitive outof Mexico City, and she says,
a dama's here, and they go, how do you know? I just
know? I know he's here.And then she looks, oh, look
there's a light on the edge ofthe forest. And then everybody says the
same thing when that happens. I'veheard this story so many times. Oh,
it's just a capsake. No,no, it's not, it's not
it's not the only it's just acapsake. Somebody's light. And she's,

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no, no, that's it.They're there, and then says, oh,
they say they want us to goover there, and then she goes,
we can't do that. It's pitchdark and they got potholes and stuff.
You break your leg trying to goacross this field because there's no light.
It's pitch Back says we can't gothere. So she gives this message
back says you come here, andthen no, no, she she says,
we don't want to go across.Somebody's gonna get injured. And then

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the dama says, okay, theywill come to you. And she says,
it was like elephants can hear thesecoming across this field, and they
all just freak out. They're justoh, they're petrified, and they don't
to do so they all grab hands. These nine people hold hands and they
start to doing this owming thing,which is part of their protocol. They
do meditation, praying, owming,all this kind of stuff, mantras and
stuff to raise your vibration. Theydon't have to do. So they grab

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each other's hands and they start toown and they said, suddenly they're levitated
into the air. So there's ninepeople levitated into the air. What And
a dama shows up and I rememberthey were there. And then I says
to the one guys and these arejust ordinary people, like like gardeners and
you know, ordinary people off thestreet. And I remember the one guy.
My assistant Shanade was asking and shesays, so it was a damo

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there, he said, he wasthere, he says, and I thought
there was like two like usually there'sa and there were ten feet tall and
then there's two shorter beings, likeeight foot tall beings. That's usually the
pattern of these these uh, thesea poo beings and and then she says,
so is there other beings with them? Yeah? How many beings were
there? And I still remember thisand he said there were as many beings
as there was trees in the forest. And I went, oh, so

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they're sitting there and and they're they'rethey're they're levitated in the air and they're
owning. And then they said,the beings start to own So the beings
are owing. There's hundreds and hundredsof these beings and they're like like energy
type beings and and they're there.And then and then they said, the
weirdest thing, we were owning andit sounded like we're underwater. And I
said, oh, they're in thezendra. And you do enough study of

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Zendra's, you know that when you'rein the zendra, these people and you
you can't stand straight, you're thegravity is something wrong with the gravity,
and when you talk, it soundslike you're underwater. So when these people,
I don't think they even realized theywere in a xendra. They thought
they were levitated in the air.And that's when they they said, they
said, it sounded like we're underwater. And they were there and and then
the beings. I said to them, well, how long did it last?
I said, with no clue,no clue whatsoever. It just set

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suddenly ended, and they were they'reback in there in their tents. They've
gone back to the tents and andsome of them were so scared these beings.
They could see like there's lights inthe sort of around the camp and
you could see these beings, theycould hear them walking around the tents and
that some of them just packed uptheir tents to three o'clock in the morning
they took off. They were sopetrified. Oh my gosh. And then

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they went down to the bottom wheremy friends were at this They were staying
at a cabin down at the bottom. Usually they don't allow you to stay
off site. You have to youhave to be in your tent and you've
got to be on the site.But they went down there and that's when
the being showed up in this roomand it was like I couldn't believe.
It was like the most buzzzar storI ever heard in my life. And
there's like nine witnesses. This isnot I got three of them on camera.

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And then what happened was the CIAis very interested in portals. They're
extremely insame with with because they realizedthis is what it's all about. This
is the it's not the physical thingthat people think, it's got this portal
connection to it. So I wasdealing with the CIA kept putting this story
out that they've got this portal,that they actually have won this operational.

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So I went to a guy whohad been assistant for this CI guy and
said, hey, Kevin, Isaid, I guess what another event happened
because they wanted me. They wantedto send someone to this event. They
wanted to send somebody connected to intelligenceto this event, and they ended up
not going there. But I talkedto this Kevin guy, said hey,
there's been this event, and Itold him the story about the nine people
levitated in the air. And hesaid, okay, get you get We're

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going to go to Hollywood. Youdo a thing, and you you tell
the story on a on a showor whatever, and then I'll tell you
what the CI knows what portals andand I and I said, well,
I told you already. I'm notI'm not going on camera. I'm not
the type of guys I know.I'm not. I'll tell you what you
want to know. I'll give youall the answers. I'll do whatever and
the names and whatever set it offfor you. But I'm not going to

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sit in front of and read ascript. There's no way. I don't
do that, I said. Andand so then uh, it got back
through My assistant got back to thesepeople that the grand was the one.
See I that was it. Theyjust complete sounds. Nobody wants to talk
anymore. But this is a story. They will not talk about it.
They say they were going to doa book. So you may see a
book coming out of Mexico in Spanishthat describes the story the most bizarre and

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and the other event they had duringthe day that was caught on camera is
they do this event. It's kindof you you've ever been a mission round
my event? But it's just likeanother world. And they do this meditation
thing where they all lie on theground and they're meditating and and and they
put rose pedals on it, redred rose pedals, I guess make them
out of paper or whatever. Andthey got these red rose pedals, and
they got this film and it lookslike a bunch of people have been shot

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like a massive they got this andthey're all lying there and then the one
woman says to a dama, Shetelepathically says to a dama, can we
film? And they said, yes, you can film. So the camera
it's one minute and twenty seven seconds, and you see the camera pans across,
you know, and then it goesand then it goes back again,
and and that's it, one minutetwenty seven seconds. So they're showing it

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to my friend Yan Yonder in Chicago, and Yan he said, look,
yeah, because this thing coming outof the trees. And he goes,
no, that's that's that's that.That's not a oh that that's a lens
flare. And they're they're pointed atthe camera as they got to the side
and this you had a lens flareoff off the sun. And then he
said, but what's that other thingin the film? And so you pull
the film down and at the beginningthey start and you can see like they're

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on the sand flat, so youhave trees all around the sand flat.
So they start and you can seeand it looks like somebody in a white
robe, completely white all the waydown. It's definitely a being, some
sort of being and it's beside thistree. Then they pan across, and
then they panned back and the beinghas actually changed spots to a different tree,
and you can see in front lookslike a portal, like the front

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of the tree is all sort ofblurry in front of the tree, and
this mean has moved back, andthere's a shadow, and the first one
there's no shadow. In the secondone, there's a shadow of the being
on the trees in behind it,but the light is coming from down below
because the shadow was like five timesthe size of the being. And then
he said, what's this thing?And it's just wild? Where you got
this? This being that appears andit changes from in this one minute twenty

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seven seconds, it goes from onetree to the next tree. But you
can't see it, but you candefinitely tell. It's like in a white
robe and there's no face on itor where, and it's it's facing no
I came. I can't tell,but it was just bizarre. You have
this one event and one day andnobody's ever heard this story. I try
to tell it because it's just showsyou how bizarre this thing can get,

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that there's no end to what thesethese beings can do in terms of performance,
and that's the way I see it. I call it the theory of
Wow. It's the Jesus Circus Actwhere Jesus comes, he walks on water,
it feeds five thousand people, Hedoes all this weird stuff and then
you deliver the message. And that'swhat they're doing. I call it the
theory, while the phenomena also doingis making you go what the heck's going
on? And the more because oncuriosity is what drives science. If you're

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not curious, and they're trying tobe curious and get you to realize.
They called shattered reality to get youto realize, No, the world does
not work the way you think itworks. This couldn't be possible to happen.
And that's what I think they're doing. So the Circus Acts. When
I started seventy five, it wasjust simple sightings. Now it's like anything

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goes it's like, unbelieve it is. There's nothing that someone can take.
Whitley Screemer said that unless this storyis really weird, you don't believe it.
The weirder it gets more real itis. Well, that's most certainly
the weirdest one I've ever heard indeed, and we are up on a short
break. We'll be back in aboutthree minutes and continue with Grant Camera.
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with the one and only Grant Cameron. This evening, Grant you mentioned about
the portals at Mount Shasta, andI grabbed a few of your book covers.
Here, let me see if Ican. Okay, uh, here
this one you mentioned a minute togo and is that that is out now

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right? Yes? It is?Yeah, Okay, that was a big
This was a big one. Alot of contact people use that. This
is contact modalities, where the ideais that everything's in the field. All
the answers in the field are Godtalks to everybody. It's just certain certain
people are listening, and certain peoplehave abilities that they're able to break into
the field. Mine was through youknow, daydreaming, but people have go

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through a front shield of a windshieldof a car, you know, trauma,
and there's also events and they suddenlyget intuitive and they're able to tap
into the field all the materials there. It's the ability to shut down the
left brain, shut down the noiseand the left brain and and get into
the field and you can pull materialback. And that's what the intelligence people
know. Why would you not?That's why they A lot of times experiences

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will complain that the government is watchingthem. I said, well do you
blame them? Where do you thinkthey get their information from? Of course,
they're going to be watching you ifyou've got contact. That's when they
went to Chris Blotsoll and Chris,what are you doing on my property?
Why are you? Why you hereon my property? I asked Tim Taylor
from NASA, and then Tim says, well, Chris, he said,
it appears they like you. They'rehere. You got contact with him,

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Chris. They don't like us.They don't talk to us. So we're
here to find out what their messageis. And that's that's what people don't
realize, is that sure, they'regoing to watch you if you're in contact.
They want to know what's going onas well. Oh yeah, yeah,
I'm they're watching me, have beenfor years. What about this one?
Yeah, Jimmy Carter, that waswhen he was when he was you

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know, went into hospice. Hehas he had the same thing I was
diagnosed with, and I'm went,Holy cow. So we put the book
out, and that's when people don'trealize that Jimmy Carter, he says,
well, Jimmy Carter didn't keep hispromise. And in the book I basically
tell you, yeah, he didkeep his promise. He he basically did
everything. And the key is thatthe president of the United States can't have
his fingerprints on anything. So hehad his press secretary, and he had

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his science advisor, and he hadall sorts of people doing various things for
him, trying to get information,and they were trying to shake down the
CI for documents. Half of allthe Foy documents, people don't realize came
under Jimmy Carter. He was forcingout a lot of stuff. But you
never heard Jimmy Carter his name involvedwith it, because it was the idea
that the president, as Ron Pandolfisaid, and and there's been a denial

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that that he said this, buthe said, we tell the president what
he needs to know, and hopewe have to put him down. And
Smith wrote this on his blog onetime cow and this is the idea,
is that the president cannot be aplayer, so they sort of keep him
out of the loop if he wants, you know, to know. But
you don't want the president in aposition where he's got to lie in from

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the public or have to answer questionsthat he can answer, because that's the
whole thing. If this consciousness thingis true, if this weird stuff and
it's it's not as nuts and bothpeople think it is. They really don't
have the answers that people think theyhave as well. They're trying to figure
this out as well. And andthat's the whole deal now, is is
that it's been written in that ifit's if it's an unacknowledged special waved access,

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a waved unacknowledged access program, theneven the existence of the program is
top secret. You cannot even confirmthat there is a program that is a
violation of security. And that's whythey have to lie about this thing,
because it is the Canadian said innineteen fifty already top secret. Canadian government
memo said, we were told byAmerican officials flying saucers exist. It's the
most highly classified subject in the UnitedStates, rated two points higher than the

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hydrogen bomb. And that was innineteen fifty, two years before the hydrogen
bomb was actually built. So thisis the big secret. It's almost like
the super Bowl. We're in thesuper Bowl, the biggest story of all
time, and it is the biggestsecret of all time in terms of the
guys that have it. And theymay be trying to get a patent on
this material because this Tim Taylor guymade a lot of money. He was

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in contact with the beings as well. He had this protocol where he would
get up like a contact modelity washe'd get up in the morning after eight
hours of sleep. Then he wouldgo back to bed again for another hour.
That was important. I'd go backto bed for another hour. Then
he would get up and he wouldget a big glass of water. And
he's lived in Florida. He wouldgo sit on the deck in the sun
and he would drink the water andthe beings would start talking to him.
He's got forty four patents on differentmedical inventions. And I actually had a

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face to face with him in twentythirteen. He told me about the download
experience. When the first one came, they tried to put on the Space
Shuttle, and remember he said,he said, they're fighting him and he
couldn't get every He said, it'scrazy, it's not gonna work. Can
There's no way it's going to work. And then he said, no,
say and where do you get it? No, I can't tell you where
I got it from, but hesaid, and he got a science scientist
to sign off on it went onthe Space Shutle. It worked, and

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then he got called to the Pentagon, and this general said, oh,
but this idea, and so hetold me, he said, you know,
Grant, the night before I gotthat idea in my head. That
in the morning, that was theinvention, the first invention. And he
said, all I remember the nightbefore was a hooded figure standing at the
end of the bed. And Iwent, oh, really, could you
see it's facing goes. I couldsee it his face. I said,
oh, man, everybody sees thehooded figure. I said, you should

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go to Advan Smith because you goto LA at the time. He works
with kids in cancer in operations andstuff. He's all medical stuff and he
sees in operating rooms a lot.I said, when you go to LA,
you should talk to Avon Smith.She can regress you and you can
find out who you were actually talkingto. But that's the thing. So
he's got forty four patterns. AndI think a lot of the secrecy is
what collogy is people sitting in thebackground because they realized. I mean,
if you can suddenly realize how toput something through metal or how to go

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from here on the other side ofthe universe instantaneously, it could be worth
a few bucks. And so ifyou're a scientist, You're not going to
put your stuff on the table andlet everybody else know what you're doing.
There's no way. So the governmenthas their reasons to keep it secret.
And I think a lot of thescientists are. In fact, you probably
know that I was one of that. I was the guy that pushed the
Wilson Leake document onto the Internet.And then later I was really furious,

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like after I took all the flakfor this and had big mouth and stuff
like that, and how could Ido this kind of thing? I realized,
like Jack Ballet had it, unlessthe Caine had it, every had
this doctmate help put Off had thedocument, and everybody just sat on the
damn thing for ten years. AndI'm the guy that had to go leap
the thing. That's the thing.So the scientists are sitting in the background
and they're holding the stuff back too. And it's my expression always is in

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the Bible, what profit of theman regains the whole world is his own
soul? What good does it do? If you figure it out? You
don't tell anybody. That doesn't helpanybody. I'm not in this to make
money. I'm not in this,So to me, I'm sort of known
as the guy will tell you anything. You know. It's like, if
I hear it, it's an interestingstory. I think everyone should hear the
story. If it's interesting to me, it'll be interesting everybody else. But
a lot of people have vested interestin trying to work this subject to make

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money or to build weapons or whateverthey're going to do with it. Yeah,
that's the scary part. It justmakes me think that from the beginning
with ufology, let's say, sincethe nineteen forties, that the government has
put a lid on everything because whateverthey find they want weaponize. And the

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scary part, yeah, the highestlevel secrets. I knew this. I
wrote this back in the nineteen ninetybook UFO's Air fifty one Government formats the
fact that Milita that good weapons secretsare the highest level secrets there are,
and that's because of the potential ofnational security if the other's eye gets this
stuff. And so they've always workedthis operation where they keep it secret,

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but now it's gotten even worse.And I pointed out to people that the
reason this latest disclosure thing failed itwas not because the government, it's because
it was a political thing. Wasthe fact that I say, if the
Democrats had had six more seats inthe House, we would have had disclosure.
Because they had this around Schumer amendmentthat went forward and it was passed
eighteen to zero in the Senate IntelligenceCommittee, and then it went and one

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guy in the House decided on blockingthe thing, and he got the Speaker
of the House to go on hisside and say, no, we're going
to block this thing. And onceyou get the speaker involved, then it
becomes a vote of a party voteand it's not going to pass. So
they went back to Schumer and theysaid the thing's dead. Were killing it,
And so what happened now it's evenworse, is they had to rewrite

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the bill. And now they preferredthey're going to have the nine person panel
that would be able to subpoen uppeople and force them to testify as to
what's going on. They were goingto have the eminent. They were going
to force the contractors to give backthe material that they've been given. And
I always pointed the people, wheredo you think the contractors got the stuff
from. They got it from thegovernment. The government could they don't do
UFO flying saucer technology, So theygive it to the contractors to try to

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figure out. And then now theysay they want the stuff back, and
the contractors say no, and that'snow written in the law. They don't
have, there's no panel, theydon't you can't subpoena them. They get
the eminent domain, they keep,You get to keep the stuff. And
the thing's even worse than was before. Where now it's written in the law
because it was passed by the House, the Senate, and the President signed
it. Now it's law. Youcan't you can't change it. So you
have to get one party who's onboard with this thing, and they have

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they control the White House, theSenate, and the House of Representatives.
Unless you get that, this thingain't going anywhere. It's it's it's dead.
And it's actually worse than it wasbefore because this is actually law.
And I always point out to peoplethat has always been law that if if
it's the waves all the special accessprogram, you cannot talk about it.
You cannot. If you see theWilson Meeque document where Eric Davis is talking

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to this Admiral Wilson, this hadof intelligent to the Joint Chief of Staff
and he said, oh, thisand this, and he answers, and
then you ask a question, yousay, core secret. Can't talk.
And that's the thing. There's acore secret. These are's core secrets that
you cannot even acknowledge that this thingis. And this is the biggest core
secret that there is. And that'sthe main reason that they do it because

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the Russians, it's like a gameof cards. They want you to put
the cards on the table. TheRussians and Chinese and Canadians and whoever else
has got part of the secret,and you may putin may have eighty percent
of the thing, and you putdown the cards and he's got the other
twenty percent and he says, oh, I decided I'm not going to disclose.
Now. They got one hundred percentand they know how it works,
and you don't have it. Andeverybody knows whoever it controls this secret.
The technology, I mean, especiallyif you get the flying the craft where

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people say that the being says toyou, like you talked about telepathy,
so the being says to these people, imagine it in your mind, where
do you want to go? Myfriend Ron Johnson, my morn buddy from
Utah is his whole life experience andI'm still trying to get his book out.
You document everything his entire life.He's got piles of experiences underbout experiences
and stuff, and he document it. So he's on the craft and they

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said where would you like to go? Ron? And he said, I'd
like to see the Milky Way fromdistance? And he said, okay,
Ron, imagine it in your mind. When you imagine it in your mind,
we will go there. It's gonnabe a very intense g force for
one second. So Ron imagines thisand he says, like intense g force
for one second. He say,looks out the window and there's the Milky
Way off in a distance that's fiftyto seventy thousand light years in one second.

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If that's true, there's something wrongwith our idea of time and space.
And now if you're a military guy, you go, wow, we'd
love to be able to get that. And so that's that's what this whole
thing is. And people were toldthis idea. Imagined it in your mind.
The two women said, we weretold, imagined it in your mind.
And then pushed the button. Theywere pushing this red button or something,
and the boom there on that sideof the galaxy and that is just

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unbelievable of that technology. There's noway we have this kind of technic.
People will claim I think we havethe jump technology because Tim Taylor when he
was talking to me, and Ididn't know who the guy was. I
mean, he's this high level guy, I mean, probably the highest one
of the black guys that knows howit all operates. And we're in this
cabin. I didn't realize really itwas. He was sort of with there

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because Chris Bletso was there and hetold me about his download experience because he
knew I was in down and heactually introduced me to an experiencer who he's
watching. He's watching these experiences andthey document stuff for him because he's trying
to That's the whole idea. Yougot to talk to people are interacting with
the intelligence. Doesn't help them watchstuff flying around the sky. There's people
who are in contact with this.And so we were in there in this
cabin in Pennsylvania and then he says, hey, graand what do you think

(47:27):
of this? And he always doesthis thing that very what do you think?
He doesn't tell you anything, hesays, what do you think of
this? He shows me this,this painting. It's painting these two guys
flying through space and one guy looksolder and the other the guy, and
they looks like they're wearing pajamas.And it says, weird sort of painting
them. I don't know. Ihave no idea what it means. And
he said, oh, what aboutthis one, because all these balls going
down a tunnel and he said this, and he shows me another one and

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then shows me this panel on theside of a wall with these outer space
scenes on the outside of a building. And I go out out to him
and he says, what about this? And he shows me this nineteen fifty
six and fifty seven chev on topof the parcade of this built and he
says, there's a postcard in thebackseat, and you see it. I
can see the postcard. And hesaid, you know what it says?
Says this is guy talking to hisgirlfriend or vice versa, she talking to
him. I wish I could flythrough time and space to be with you,

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or something to that fact. Isaid, that's what it says.
And then he says, you knowwhere this is? I said, no,
I don't know, Tim, Idon't know what you're talking about.
Tim, And he says, thisis huge aircraft building in Los Angeles.
I said, Tim, I stilldon't know what you're talking about. I
have no idea, so you know, and then people always ask me that
this. I'm not sure whether hesaid this is where it was, or
this is where it was rumored tobe or whatever. He said, this

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is where. This is where thejump room was, the see I jump
him the Obama thing where Obama goesto Mars and stuff. He said,
that's where it was. I said, really, really, and me show
these photographs again. And she showsme the photographs again, and then he
says, you know where the oneof the two guys flying through spaces?
And I said, no, whereis it? He said, it's right
outside the elevator. I said,right outside the elevator. So I contact

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Anti Andy Bassiago. I said,Andy, when you're a little kid and
you're at this place is at ninenine nine s to Paulada Avenue in Los
Angeles. It's right outside alex Youcan think about go there and you can
look and these paintings are still onthe wall. And then I said to
Andy, I said, Andy,there's two buildings. Nine nine nine is
some public we're in the back buildingof the front buildings. I'm trying to
see the front building was where thesepaintings were. And he said, I

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was a young kid. I don'tremember us in the front building of the
back building. And that's the kindof stuff where you go like wow,
and yet that doesn't get released wherethey're they're working on this kind of stuff.
And then you hear the CI's gotit. And that's what I say.
If there's some sort of technology theyhave, I don't think it's it's
uh, flying technology, It's it'ssomething got something to do with the fact
that this has got do with portals. That seems to be a key thing.

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Every time I every time I rundown the anti gravity thing, it
doesn't go anywhere. It hits abrick wall. Every time I run down
the portal thing, there seems tobe something at the other end. In
fact, I have one guy whowas very close to the CI and I
asked him. I said, I'mtired of this. I'm so tired of
this thing. It doesn't go anywhere. I'm just interested in the portal thing.
Do you think I should hang around? And he goes, yeah,
I should want to be hanging around. I go okay, fine, fine,

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So cut three years later, I'mtalking to him and then he says,
you know that question you asked meabout the portals and uh. And
then I said, yeah, it'sreal, really, it's real. So
he's basically confirming this. So there'ssome truth to the portal thing. That's
that's a key to this story.Well, here's your book at the Portals
and UFOs of Mount Shasta. Whendid that come out? Yeah, let's

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see it. It'd be three years, three or four years ago. I
wrote two. Uh, there's twodifferent groups, and there's sort of like,
uh, one is an English group, one was a nine English group.
So I had to go to bothof them. And I wrote one
book on on uh Ricardo's group andthen uh in Riki's group I went to.
The next year, I went toin Riki's group. And then there
was another bizarre event up on thetop of the mountain home and get into

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that, but it's just bizarre.And I had enough for a book on
the one weekend of this event ofthe stuff that was going on, because
when you go to these mission ramathings, there's all sorts of weird stuff
happening, and yet you have thisidea where they get across, which is
very important. Is like I alwaysget upset when you have skywatches, people
got lasers, and it's like you'resupposed to be shutting down the left brain,

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you're supposed to be meditating, you'renot what talking and everybody's talking and
stuff like that. And that's that'swhat it comes down to, is this
ability to send a message to getit across. And there's to me,
there's too much fooling around going on. People are in it for entertainment.
That's what Eric Walker said to us. He said, why should we change
the rules and the regulations to satisfyyour curiosity? You're just curious, admitted,

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And he's exactly right. People.I always ask people the idea where
he said, So, when doyou get the story, what are you
going to do with it? Andthis is the idea of the dog chasing
the car. So when the dogcases the car, what are you gonna
do? So if the government suddenlyadmits that the UFOs are real and they
know about it, so what areyou gonna do? It's like everybody's gonna
go, okay, well, sowhat about the aliens? They're just gonna
go to the next story for everyfor ninety ninety second, it's just crying

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curiosity. They don't care. Theyjust want to hear a good story.
Well, and I think most ofthe most people, if the government came
out with full disclosure tomorrow, wouldsay, yeah, we know that.
What else do you have for it? That's what happened. That's what I
this fifth book that I'm doing,this book called Drip Drip, where they
are dropping this thing again. That'swhat I've maintained I've always done, and

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a lot of people say, no, they're not doing this. And it's
very clear Tom DeLong was talking toMcCaslin, McKay and Robert Weiss from Lackey
Skunkqirks that came out in the inthe wiki leaks leak of Pedesta's emails.
We know he's talking to these highlevel guys and they were in the government
at the time. So if they'rein the government at the time and they're
talking to Rockstar about UFOs, they'releaking this stuff. This is not happening

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by accident, and they're doing this, and what they're trying to do is
to climatize people. So I rememberseventy five and you've been in a long
time? Was seventy five. Isaid, you know, probably extraterrestrial.
I believe less about that now it'sa little more complex and that. But
as it went along, it didnothing, and people say to me.
I wrote an article in two thousandand nine, the sixty four reasons why
the government has decided not to tellyou the truth? And there's no way
I ever believed they would actually revealthat they were doing UFOs. And in

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twenty seventeen the article came out.Chris Blessl told me the year before that
they were going to do this,but the article came out in New York
Times and said, yeah, thegovernment's doing UFOs. And what happened because
people have been climatized Stephen Greer andI was writing this as well, Stephen
Greer, and people are saying,oh, oil will melt down. You're
ever going to realize, well isnot worth anything. The stock market is
going to crash, people are goingto jump off bridges and stuff like that.
And what happened in nineteen ninety seven. In twenty seventeen, when the

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New York Times came up with thearticle nothing, everybody's right, Yeah,
we knew that, right, Okay, what's the next thing. And that's
what they're doing. They're raising theconsciousness to the fact that when they make
a disclosure that it really doesn't affectanybody. They don't want you back in
nineteen forty seven. They want youto go. So what they're doing is
they're leaking the story, they're puttingdisinformation around it, and then they put
the story out. So what they'lldo is they'll they'll tell me nineteen seventy

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one, who's a home in theirfirst base fill? And then they'll go
and tell Linda how it was nineteensixty nineteen sixty four. And so now
Linda and I are fighting about whetherit's sixty four or seventy five, and
everyone goes, I don't what thebelief. So that's what they do instead
of killing you. Now, whatthey do is just throw mud in the
water. If you've got a goodstory, just put a second good story.
This sounds like your story, andthat conflicts with your story, and
it's like you just one guy said, just throw sh you know why they

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were in the water. And that'swhat you do is you just start the
story and nobody knows what to believein the story is getting out and that's
what they want, so they'll they'llgive it to bad people like Lazare.
Lazarre had a bad background. Theyknew he had a bad background. They
actually asked him in his second interviewwhen he was being interviewed for You G
and G, what's your relationship toJohn Lear and what do you think about
him? So they knew he knewJohn Larra and John Leare was the crazy

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guy that was talking about the aliensunder shootout under the base, and he
was just known as this crazy guy. Nobody's gonna believe John Lear, and
that's what he did. Lazarre wenttook the story to John Lear and John
Laire was telling the story and nobodywould believe there's an AUO host in Area
fifty one. And then what happenedwas but George Knapp had in May of
nineteen seventy May of nineteen eighty nine, he was missing a guest on the
show, and he said, hey, you know you got that guy from

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Area fifty one says he worked therebringing on the show. We want to
do it, and they backlit himas Dennis and the start putting viral around
the world, because no, it'slongl'er telling. John Lere's crazy John Lere
telling the story. Now it wasGeorge Knapp Emmy Award, you know,
Peabody Awards and stuff like that,and the thing went viral. So that's
what they're doing. They're leaking itto people, but they put false information.
I think the beings are doing thesame thing too. They sabotage you

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as well. They sabotage you withinformation. And because they did, they
don't want. If the aliens wantedto land and tell you the story,
they tell their story. If thepresident wants people always do this thing about
disclosure. If if they wanted thestory out, it would stand. The
president, make a news conference,bring in the Washington Post, New York
Times, take them, show themthe craft, show them the documents.
That's not what they're doing. Everybody'sdoing this gradual disclosure is drip drip drip

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thing, and so is the government. Yeah. Absolutely, golly, granted,
can't believe the hour went by thisfast. I need about ten hours
with you sometimes. Uh, youare just full of information and it's been
wonderful having you on. Thank youso much. Yeah, and I'll see
on the cruise we're doing the cruisecruise in September. Yes, that's right,
that's right. We will be doinguh and there's no time there's no

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time limit on what I and whatI how long I can talk, that's
most well. The whole cruise willbe Grant Cameron. So we're hoping to
do a contact event there. We'retrying, you know, the events in
the morning where people can go telltheir story because that's what people want.
They want to be able to telltheir sorry because the're friends of world don't
want to hear it. Yep,yep. I was planning on it so
we could do something together. Fantastic, Thanks so much for being on.

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Well, that is a wrap fortoday and I'll see you here again next
week right here, and see youlater.