November 14, 2023 • 58 mins
Forensic geologist Scott Wolter, best known as the host of History channel’s hit show America Unearthed which follows him on his quest to uncover the truth behind controversial historic artifacts and sites found throughout North America and beyond. Professionally, Scott, a forensic geologist, has worked as a petrographer since 1985. In 1990, he founded American Petrographic Services and continues to serve as President. He has been the principal petrographer in more than 7,000 material forensic investigations throughout the world, including the evaluation of fire-damaged concrete from the Pentagon following the attacks of September 11, 2001. Scott earned his bachelor’s degree in Geology and Earth Science from the University of Minnesota-Duluth in 1982. Hayley Ramsey is an author, researcher, and tour guide with a passion for history, esotericism and travel. She currently leads tours around the world investigating the mysteries of the past pertaining to megalithic sites, the Knights Templar, King Arthur and the Holy Grail. Her new book "The Bringer of Life: A Cosmic History of the Divine Feminine" was just released in March 2023. For more information visit: www.scottwolteranswers.blogspot.com www.hookedx.com www.lakesuperioragate.com
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M hm hm. It's time forthe Unexed News. Extraterrestrials, Time Anomalies,
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dimension dimensions, remote viewing, UFOs, UAPs and USO's, ghostly encounters,
abductions, Bigfoot and more more,your end of the week news source
for everything everything unexplained. Here isyour host for the unex News podcast,
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MARGIEK. Sorry about that, folks, technical error. MARGIEK. And this
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is unex News. We're here everyFriday night at six pm Central, seven
pm Eastern, and I'm glad youcould join me this evening because I have
a couple of really great guests thatare coming on. First of all,
you know x Con is coming upvery very very soon. Go to the
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website unexnetwork dot com to get someinformation. There still are tickets available and
you can even get tickets at thedoor at a super good price. So
go to unexnetwork dot com to checkthat out. And we still have some
tickets available for the Arkansas Paranormal Expothat is put on in Little Rock every
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year, and I believe this istheir eleventh year and they have a wonderful
lineup of speakers. Just go toArkansas Paranormal dot com for more information.
About that. My first guest thisevening is Scott Walter. Now you probably
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know you're probably very familiar with whoScott is. He hosted the show America
Unearthed on the History Channel, andhe had been a long, long time
investigator. He's written several books whichwe are going to get into this evening,
and it's just a thrill to havehim on my show tonight. Welcome
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to the program, Scott, Hi, Margie, thank you for having me.
I'm looking forward to this conversation andI'm really looking forward to the conference.
And you know, while we werejust taking a break here, while
you and I had a conversation,I had I asked Janet to bring something
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up that I wanted to kind ofspring on you that you might find interesting
in light of the conference coming up, that deals quite a bit with UAPs,
right, it most certainly does well. And you know, we can
talk about this more if you want. But the lecture that I'm planning to
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give is tentatively titled The Knights TemplarAmerica's True Founding Fathers, and we're going
to look at it kind of fromthe lens of something that has long been
associated with the Knights templar, andthat's the holy Grail. So I will
be getting into that in detail.But one of the things that has happened
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in the story that I'm going totell, which is a close colleague and
friend of mine had known for manyyears who worked for an agency that did
work for our military. His bestfriend came into some documents that he purchased
back in nineteen seventy one. Hesold those documents in nineteen ninety four.
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What we did not know until fairlyrecently in the last few years, is
he pulled out the most important partsof that document. He gave them to
his colleagues in the agency with strictinstructions upon their deaths that this material that
Bill had given him given them wouldgo to Don Rue, his best friend
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and my friend that I'm telling youabout now. So over the course of
the last six years, five ofthese colleagues have passed away, and Don
will give me a call and say, Scott, I got a package.
John Drake died and I say,don't hope, and I drive out to
New York and we open it together. Oh. Now, this has happened
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several times. What we think mightbe the last batch of material has come
forward this year in twenty twenty three, starting in January. I'll tell the
story about how we got this stuffat the conference. But there were six
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messages in there, and one ofthe surprises that came from these messages,
some of them quite lengthy, areall the details about what happened at Oak
Island. I'm not going to gointo that now either. But what I
wanted to say was the other surprisethat we got was what I'm going to
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present to the people that come tothe conference. I'm going to let them
decide for themselves with how they interpretwhat I'm about to share. But in
my view, there is no questionthe involvement of extraterrestrials well in this story,
which completely blindsided us, and Idon't know how it can be interpreted
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any other way. Now, that'sgoing to be exciting enough, and I
think that's going to really And Igot to tell you, this is not
the world that I've dwelled in duringmy career. It's not that I never
thought about extraterrestrials or the whole question. It just wasn't in my wheelhouse been
thrust upon me. And in thelast few years I've become very deeply involved.
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Now, that involvement also included havingpeople contact me about testing artifacts.
We can talk about that more ifyou want. But one of the things
that happened recently was one of thepeople that contacted me sent me what he
says is an alien skull, actuallysent me two of them for testing,
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okay, and I tested a bunchof other artifacts for him. And as
a gift, he gave me oneof those alien skulls. Oh my,
and it's in the box. It'sin the box. Are you going to
bring that to the conference? Well, that's what I was going to ask
you. Is that something that youwould like me to do? Now,
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here's what I'm thinking about. Youknow those old collector footballs they put him
in a glass case. Yeah,I have a couple of those, and
I'm thinking of bringing that and maybebringing the skull along. And I just
want to make it clear to everybodyright now, I'm not saying that this
is an alien skull. I haveno idea what it is. I've never
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seen anything like it before. ButI just want to take, you know,
input from people. I want toask questions myself, try to answer
questions, learn as much as wecan to try to figure out what this
might be. Again, I'm notsaying it's an alien skull. It was
presented to me as an alien skull. One of the things you're going to
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notice clearly is that it's covered insoil, there's roots growing in and out
of the bones, and I havenever seen anything like this before. It's
truly otherworldly in that respect. Whetherit's actually other worldly is another question exactly
the skull situation. There's a lotof controversy about that. There are people,
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especially the elongated skulls. I'm actuallygoing to be bringing a couple with
me to the conference as well.Oh really going to go. Yes,
these were gifts from Race Hobbes,and we'll tell the backstory at the conference.
But these are copies, oh gotchthat were professionally made as exact replicas.
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Not they're they're not the originals,but there were only a few copies
made and then the artists died,so there are only very few. Yeah,
but they're extremely intriguing. They justdon't look human, so neither okay,
okay, yeah, And you know, I'm not an expert in in
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skeletons or or bone structure, butthere are certain things that you recognize and
then you know, so that's goingto be fantastic. That's a nice surprise.
Yeah. Well, I just thoughtabout it here and I was I'm
going to be speaking at another conference. But I just want people, you
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know, anything that we do thatthat is ET related. I guess I
just want to get some input becauseI've had labs that actually have refused doing
testing see fourteen testing because they justdon't like the nature of this material and
they're afraid of something. I'm notexactly sure what they're afraid of, And
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frankly, it kind of annoys mebecause you know, I run a testing
lab myself. I've done this foralmost forty years, and I don't sit
there and ask background questions about youknow, the the well, I guess
the ethics of the project do matter. But if I'm given a sample and
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they want me to test it justbecause it came from one person's house versus
another person house, is irrelevant tome. You should just test it,
give the data, the results ofthe results, and for a laboratory to
question my intent or somehow say thatI have something that is not a typical
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thing that they're used to testing,that there's something wrong with that. You
should be able to run the test, get the result, and let the
chips fall where they may. Right, That's exactly exactly. But they The
thing is that a lot of theselabs, they will lose their funding if
they do any work on anything thatis considered to be alien technology or sasquatch
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for that matter. They will.Yeah, that's a good question. Why
why is the government involved in this, in keeping this hush hush? They
just don't want that information out.Well, you know, I got to
believe that that is true, orhas been true for a long time.
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But I will say about three yearsago, a little over three years ago
now, I was contacted by aperson who said they were with NASIK as
part of the Department of Defense andasked me if I wanted to be involved
in disclosure. And I said,why are you contacting me? I said,
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there's a lot of other people thathave a hell of a lot more
experience with this than me. Ihave next to zero, at least at
the time. And he said,well, that's what we want. Somebody
who's unbiased, somebody who is reputablethat we can trust what they say.
And I said, well, Iappreciate that, and we went to this
hole back and forth of him.You know, he had established to me
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that he was who he said hewas, and that took some time,
including a personal visit, but wegot over that hurdle, and so a
lot of things were shared with me. I was basically given, not given
a script, but you know,we talked about things that we developed a
script based on my comfort level wassome of the things that I was asked
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to convey. And so I'm stilldoing that when people ask me. And
and I guess the point I wantedto make is that for a long time,
the government did keep things hush hush. I mean, people died that
were, you know, talking morethan they should. But he said in
twenty six seventeen they got a directivethat basically was one hundred and eighty degree
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turn that they want to get theword out to the public. The question
is how do they do it?And you know, what information do they
convey? But there's no doubt thatin the last several years things have changed.
I mean we're hearing about extraterrestrials andall subject matter related to it,
I mean almost constantly. I mean, one of the ways I gauge what's
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going on in the world. Ismy Twitter feed or my ex feed do
I see anything related to extraterrestrials?And the answer is almost constantly yes,
yes, yes, there has forthose of us who have been in uthology
for a long time. For me, I've been studying it for forty years
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and I've been an investigator since twothousand and seven, that there has been
a complete one pint eighty Well almost, Yeah, they're not disclosed maybe about
one right, let's say that.Well, that'd be a generous one sixty.
Yeah, they're still withholding a lotof information. But yeah, there
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seems to be more willingness to letthis information out and not interfere because I've
had cases directly interfered with and stoppedfrom going public in the past, but
not in the past couple of years. So it's exciting to me that you
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found a connection with the Knights,Templar and aliens. Oh yeah, it's
funny. But the contact person thatyou know, I still know him quite
well. We've become very good friends. He before he entered work with the
government, he was a freemason.Obviously he had to renounce his affiliations at
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that point. But you know,once you're a brother, You're always a
brother, so we can we canconverse, you know, in that regard
as well, and we talked manytimes about you know, there's there have
been rumors that the Templars had someconnection with extraterrestrials. And when I first
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heard that, I kind of scratchedmy head and I thought, how can
that be? But there's no questionabout that now. And the more I've
learned about the true tradition of KnightsTemplarism, not the Knights templar that everybody
reads about on the internet and it'staught in school. The Knights are not
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at all the good Catholics that everybodywere taught to think that they were.
They were anything, but that theysimply pretended to be Catholic, but actually
embraced a much older ideology we'll talkabout in detail during the conference. And
it wasn't you know, for acouple hundred years when the Church finally figured
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out what was really going on,and that's part of the reason why they
put him down. And look,the reason that you arrest, torture and
burn somebody is because you're pissed,right, and they were pissed that they
had used a lot of the symbolsthat Christianity had interpreted one way that were
actually much older symbols that the templarsunderstood to be something completely different, and
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in their view, the Church hadcorrupted. So I know that's sort of
a tough narrative for some people tograsp, but it's the truth, and
it's time that the truth came out. And you'll get to know me,
Margie, I don't beat around thebush. If there's something going on,
I'm going to say what it isbased on the evidence that I think supports
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that. And some people aren't goingto like it. Look, life doesn't
always go your way, right,I think we all need to hear it
straight now more than ever. I'lltell you that living in this in the
age, right, Well, itis what it is. That's you know,
when when the when the facts andthe evidence lead you to a certain
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direction and you come to a conclusion, you know, until there's something else
that comes along. The change isthat it just is. That's right.
You follow the evidence wherever it goes, no matter how inconvenient it is.
And and I have to be honest, there have been times when I've followed
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the evidence. You know, wewere doing a show on America on Earth,
and I didn't like where it tookus. But the results are the
results. The data is the data, and here you go. You've written
several books. This was the firstone, I believe. Actually, no,
that was the second one in thisvein. The first one was called
the Kensington Roomstone Compelling New Evidence,and this one was the follow up to
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that, because really, the KingtonRoonstone was something that was brought into my
lab in July of two thousand andI was asked to do a forensic investigation
on it to try to determine theage of the weathering, and I did
that. I followed the facts andI concluded it was an authentic artifact that
the weathering was hundreds of years old. Therefore it couldn't be the late nineteenth
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century hopes that everybody claimed. Nowyou got to remember something, Margie.
When I first did this work,I never heard of the Kensington Roomstone.
I didn't know what it was.I didn't know about the controversy, and
frankly I didn't care because I can'tfall in love with my work. I
can't be biased by other conclusions thatpeople may have drawn. Of course,
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I found all this stuff out afterwards, but it was surprising to me and
disappointing frankly when people came out andthey looked at the data, they heard
the conclusion and they said, well, it's a fake, don't you know.
I said, no, it's not. So that prompted me to dig
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deeper. And really, the HookDecks is the net result of that.
That was the next phase of theinvestigation, because here's three undeniable facts that
must be true based on the KensingtonRunstone conclusion that I reached saying that it
was authentic. If it's real,that means that somebody came from Europe because
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it's carved in Old Swedish to thecenter of the continent, right, somebody
did it. They came from someplace and they came here for some reason.
And that's what I spent the nextseveral years. That's what I'm still
doing. That's what this lecture isgoing to be about. Who did it,
where they came from, and whythey came here. Those are undeniable
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facts right now. Getting the answersto those took a lot of time,
and the first phase of that isin that book The Hook Decks. Okay,
and then get a couple more.Okay, that's my latest book,
or I should say the latest onethat's published. There's one in between.
The one in between is called Akantonto the Founding Fathers. Oh there it
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is. There it is. Andthat one is that delves into the Telpia
Tomb we talked about a little bitearlier, and some of the other types
other artifacts that have been i shouldsay out of place artifacts that have been
found primarily in North America. Butyou know, I mean America has been
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a sanctuary that persecuted people have beencoming to literally for thousands of years.
And you know, one of thedirty little secrets that was obvious to me
was if there were people coming tothis continent and living here and carving these
artifacts and doing whatever it was theywere doing, who do you think that
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they would have run into? Howabout the indigenous people? Right? And
guess what, Nobody ever talked tothem. What a novel concept to talk
to them. So I've reached outto them, to many of them,
and guess what they know? Andthey know about the Templers, they know
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about the Vikings, they know aboutthe Phoenicians, and they know about the
sky people. Oh yeah, theymost certainly do. Of course they do.
So I just found that to bekind of shocking because I had many,
many conversations with academics about the runestoneand some of these other art of
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place artifacts, and I said,has anybody ever talked to the natives?
Well? No, it just seemedpatently obvious to me. And it turns
out they know all about all ofthem. I bet they do. Yeah,
Code, you know this this isa really book because it's the fourth
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book really in the series. Ihave a summary about the research on the
runestone and Cryptic Code actually is whatI call this discovery I made within the
Kensington Inscription. When I became aFreemason. I've gone through what we call
the Blue Lodge, which is,you know, the first start of a
Masonic journey. Many people, mostmost brothers, stopped there, but there
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are other avenues you can pursue.I'll talk about this in the lecture,
But in one of the degrees ofthe York right, something happened, an
amazing revelation happened that told me thatthe carver of the inscription was deeply initiated
in the Enochian mysteries, the legendof Enoch and the sequel and then the
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Nine Arches and that whole story.It's actually incredible, and so that that
was one of the major discoveries inthat book. But you know, there
was something else that we discovered inthat book that nobody seemed to catch,
and it was in the color sectionand in the black and white section.
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It was a painting that was doneby Leonardo da Vinci back in fourteen eighty
three called Virgin on the Rocks.Have you ever heard of that? Oh?
Yes, okay, do you knowwhat's going on in that painting?
Isn't that the one with the ufoin the background. No, it's not
with UFOs, although if you lookin the background there's some interesting you know,
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he carved some very interesting stalagtites andstalagmites in the cave. Right.
But the secret that's revealed in thatpainting is that not only was Mary Magdalene
married to Jesus and they had ason and a daughter and another son,
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but prior to that, Mary Maglinewas married to John the Baptists, and
they had a son. His namewas Jesus. Now, when you look
at the first version of that painting, there's a woman sitting off to the
right, wearing orange and green,which are the colors of Mary Magdalene in
art. So if you know,if you see those colors, that's that
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artist is initiated. They know thesecret about using the proper colors. This
woman is sitting off to the right, and sitting right next to her is
a little boy that's supposed to beJesus, right, and the other one
is supposed to be John the Baptist. Okay, now I know that.
How can those little kids who areat contemporaries in age with Mary Magdalene,
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probably older than her. How canshe be an adult and these be two
kids. That's not possible, isit? No? I wouldn't think so
there it is. Yeah, right, there's Mary Magnen orange and green.
See those little boys. The reasonis they're not contemporaries. That's her son
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with John the Baptist. And thenwhen he was beheaded, the priestly line
in the Acenic tradition of the timewent through the female, and so a
family member was obligated to marry herto continue the priestly line. Oh my,
yes, that's who married her.So and keep in mind a lot
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of people lost their minds when theda Vinci code came up, and this
whole notion that Jesus could be marriedand have a child. Well, for
God's sakes. In the a Scenictradition at that time, that was normal
to be a rabbi. It wasrequired to be married and to have a
son for secession. So this thiscraziness, if people truly understood the traditions,
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was this was the way it hadto be. Yeah, oh gosh,
Scott, I could talk to youfor hours, and I'm definitely gonna
have to have you come back onfor at least a full hour, but
we are, We're out. You'regonna dump me for somebody else? Yeah,
I think you know her. Ithink you know this gal coming up.
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Yeah, Okay, well let's go. I'll give way to the sacred
feminine here. But I'm really lookingforward to, uh to getting to the
conference, to meeting you in personand meeting everybody there. We're gonna have
a great time. And uh Ihave a little surprise. Yeah, well,
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as if, as if Scott weren'tenough, he's bringing a surprise with
him. Thank you so much,Scott. Okay, have a good interview,
Say hi to Haley and we'll seeyou soon. Okay, we'll do
all righty okay, bye bye bye. It's almost here, ladies and gentlemen.
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News I'm your host, margiek andthis evening I have another guest coming on
You're going to love. Her nameis Hailey Ramsey. She's an author,
researcher and tour guide with the passionfor history, esotericism and travel. She
currently leads tours around the world investigatingthe mysteries of the past pertaining to megalithic
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sites, the Knights, Templar,King Arthur, and the Holy Grail.
Her new book, The Bringer ofLife, a Cosmichi History of the Divine
Feminine, was just really least inMarch of twenty twenty three. Welcome to
the program, Haley. Hi,thank you for having me on, Margie.
It's nice to see you face toface. Yes, we've done some
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talking, but haven't seen each otherin person, so this is great.
Thanks for coming on the show thisevening. Of course, we're going to
do a little teaser about what you'regoing to talk about at ex Con,
but let me just go back andstart with how did you get interested in
these subjects. That's a great question, you know, going back to my
childhood. My favorite movie growing upactually was The Sword and the Stone.
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So I think arthury and lore hasalways had a special place in my heart,
and whether it comes from past livesor from just something that's in my
DNA, I can't say. ButI think there is something within all of
us that are drawn to different subjectslike these in this community that is deeper,
whether it has to do with pastlives, whether it has to do
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with genetic For example, one ofthe things that I learned from the Native
Americans was the seventh Generation, howtrauma and other things are passed on through
DNA over certain generational periods. AndI think that a lot of us,
especially in this awakening era that we'rein now, we've all got that gene
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and we've all gotten it from somewhere. So I think there is something passed
down genetically that brings some of usto the specific area of consciousness and awakening.
And so I say that because goingback through my own genealogy, it
started to make a lot of senseonce I saw that we came from Scotland
and the Great Britain in general.And so once I saw that, I
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started really diving into King Arthur,and I found that he was a real
historic person in Scotland. But notonly that, this Artur mcaden, who
really existed in Scotland. There wasa whole explanation for the sword and stone.
And once I started going down thisrabbit hole, I started to that
King Arthur had all these other connections, be it to the Knights, Templar,
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to these esoteric stories, but alsoto Egypt, to ancient Egypt and
before. So for me, whatbrought me into all of this, I
would say is the Arthurian legends andall of that has led me down,
if you will, a massive rabbithole that I can't get out of now
because I'm into deep. But it'sall interconnected, all of these things.
And what Scott was just talking about, be it the star people, the
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sky people, or the Templar,is going back to these scenes, all
these different ancient traditions. They allwere passing down the same knowledge that has
existed for thousands of years. Andthat is something that I cannot get enough
of. It is just extremely fascinatingto me, and we are just right
now. It is just the tipof the iceberg with what's being released publicly.
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You hit a nerve with me whenyou mentioned DNA knowledge, because just
a couple of years ago I discovereda way to remote view your own DNA
Oh, and I'm a direct descendantof Henry Sinclair me too. Yeah,
okay, so we're related, we'recousins cousins in some fashion. Uh,
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so we're gonna have a lot totalk about at ex Con. Yes,
I saw some things that way,and and so I think we're kind of
on the same level here with understandingthat sort of thing. The uh and,
like you said, that led youdown the rabbit hole. I'm a
total fan of King Arthur two.I knew from the beginning when I was
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a little kid listening to that storythat it was true. M h.
I just knew. And then youknow, everybody said, no, it's
just a legend. Well now I'msure about that. I think there's there's
a lot to it. And ofcourse people have done investigating as of late,
and they found some evidence and someareas in Scotland that could be attributed
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to this. It's pretty fascinating,I think. So you're going way way
back in time too. I mean, how long does it take you to
do research on an area? Oh? How it depends. It depends on
what the research is on. Imean it could take me an evening to
a week a month. I mean, it really depends. But in Scotland,
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going back to what you were justsaying about King Arthur, there's a
couple of sites that are key tome in all of this, and a
lot of people don't even realize.There's a place in Scotland called Sterling and
Sterling Castle is sitting up on thismassive hill now just below it, they
call it the I believe it's theKing's not the Royal Gardens. And then
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there is the Arthurian Table, theround table that is dating back to the
same era of King Arthur, thatis down in the gardens and it is
the oldest mound, the oldest structureor earthwork that is found in the Royal
Gardens. The King's Knot was builtin the sixteen hundreds and it is surrounded
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by a square. But this roundtable structure, there was a core sample
taken and archaeologists deemed it to dateto the seventh century to sixth century AD.
So this would fit right in theArthurian era when he existed in Scotland,
because he in Scotland was Archer Macaidenwasn't actually a king, but was
a son of the reigning king ofDowriata, which was the ancient kingdom on
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the western coast of Scotland and thenthe capital of that kingdom. Actually is
another location that we visit on ourtour, and this is on the Quest
for the Holy Grail tour in Scotlandthat Scott and I lead, and this
location happens to be on the westcoast in a place called kil Martin Glenn.
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Kil Martin Glen is a very ancientand magical place. There are several
cairns and one of them you caneven climb into. It is really this
past time we took our tour groupthere. I stayed down in there and
I meditated and it was incredible,and so we take groups there. There's
also a templar graveyard. Essentially,there is a bunch of templar grave slabs
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that are in the Kilmartin Cemetery therein the town. So after visiting those
stones, we go down and wevisit the cairns that date back to I
want to say, anywhere from fivethousand to six thousand years old. And
there's also a stone circle there aswell. And you see how the progression
archaeologically speaking, the progression of ritualculture changes. You see them start with
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just a stone circle build them upinto a cairn with stones that make around
dome structure like you might see atNew Grange, and so it's really fascinating
the progression you see at these stonecircles at these cairns. And then there's
also what we call Dnad Fort,and Dnad Fort is the ar therapy and
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connection. The reason being Dnad Fortactually happened to be where all of the
kings of Dalriata were crowned. Sothe story of the sword in his owne
was born here at Dunad Fort nowdune and Gallic dun means hill, so
Dnad it was the hill of Ad. Basically, Dunad Fort is a hill
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that you can walk up and thereis a carving of a footprint on the
top of the hill, which iswhere the coronation took place. And the
candidate for kingship would kneel down withhis right foot and the carving of the
footprint, and he would kneel downwith his sword. So when he would
kneel down, everybody standing below wouldbe looking up at him. They would
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put the crown in his head.He would be made king, and when
he he would rise, it wouldappear he was pulling his sword from the
stone. Oh wow, it happenedto you, Yes, and it fascinating
because of the onlookers from below,all of the citizens of Dalriata looking up
to the top of the hill.It appeared he was literally pulling the sword
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from the stone. That was partof the initiation for the king. So
that's where that's where it came from. It was born in Scotland, which
is just incredible. That's that isjust incredible. Now you do some tours.
I'm going to show a couple here. This one's coming up in May
next year. What is this oneabout? So this is the Path of
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Initiation where this is my first timedoing a tour and spade in Portugal.
We are going to be visiting Ceisler, connected with the Knights Templar, but
also have ancient roots. There aresome sites in Barcelona that also tie into
ancient Egyptian tradition. We'll be visitingdifferent towns like Suria, which also has
one of the oldest churches dedicated toMary Virgin Mary. We'll be visiting Tamar,
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which was a templar stronghold as well, and in Lisbon. We also
will be visiting places in Portugal thatare our reflection of the knights Templar's tradition.
Like CenTra. This is where there'sa very popular photo that's passed around
the internet and it shows what theycall the Initiation Well. The Initiation Well
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is at CenTra and it was actuallycreated more recently by a freemason who was
involved in a lot of different esoterictraditions. Now in Pinscola, we'll be
visiting some Templar castles and forts whereinitiations took place, and they have different
chambers that go underground, so we'llalso be getting to see the nice beaches
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there on the coastline. We'll beenjoying the food. We'll be visiting a
place that is in the middle ofSpain almost two Portugal that was a Templar
preceptory and it's a church that hasan astronomicalment that takes place and it has
ten hearts in the rose window makingthe rose window and the hearts are symbols
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of the Holy Grail, so thereis an alignment that takes place there.
But behind that Templar church there isalso an ancient cave that going back thousands
of years was used for goddess cultsand used in ritual, so the templars
chose this location specifically due to thegoddess cult and the cave there. So
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we'll be visiting some really intriguing offthe beaten path sites in Spain and Portugal.
That sounds like a fascinating trip.And what about this one. This
one's in September. We'll be visitingthe Orkney Islands and it will be exploring
the voyage over all, Henry Sinclair, ancient Negolithic sites and Lockness. There
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are some really incredible places up inOrkney, like Scara Bray prehistoric Village.
It's right on the ocean front andit is one of the most ancient sites
in UK and it is actually olderthan the Pyramids, so it's a prehistoric
village that exists there. And Scottand I have been and we went in
the dead of winter and it wasfreezing cold, but we were the only
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people there so it was great.So this time of year in September,
it'll be a little quieter and it'sthe best time to experience it. We'll
be visiting Mayshow Passage Tomb, whichis also another ancient site. And the
intriguing part about this site is thatthere's actually ruins. There's a runic inscription
carved inside the tomb, but it'snot as ancient as the tomb itself.
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It was actually carved by Crusader knights. So as Scott is talking about the
Kensington runestone being carved by the Knight'stemplar, this is actually for their evidence
to suggest that possibility, because theseCrusader knights were stuck in the chamber on
a stormy night and they ended upcarving somewhat silly things into the wall there,
but they were using runes kind oflike graffiti. Yeah yeah, yeah,
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silly things, but they were essentiallythey were still using ruins, and
it just goes to show that theseCrusader Knights were in fact using runs and
working itself as a magical place.There's also the Stones of Stenness, the
Ring of Broadgar, which we'll alsovisit, and it's just a very different
place. It's almost like its owncountry, separate from Scotland. It really
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is incredible. But not to saywe won't be in Scotland, because we
will also on the mainland and Invernesswill do a Lochness boat cruise. There
is Clava Cairns, a really beautifulstone circle well, there's multiple stone circles
and multiple cairns there as well thatare just incredible and actually might be the
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inspiration for Outlanders craigna dune that DianaGabaldon wrote. What was your inspiration for
setting these tours up? You know, ultimately it goes back to my dad's
death, and that's sounds a littleheavy, but my dad passed in twenty
nineteen. He was Green Beret andwhen he passed away, I really wanted
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to dive into our family history,into our genealogy, so as a way
of connecting with him and honoring him. After he passed, I started looking
into his ancestry and I found thathis ancestors had come over from Scotland,
and when I traced him back toScotland, the Ramseys came from Dalhousie Castle.
I visited there briefly in August twentynineteen, and then I went back
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in October, just around Staween andactually around Halloween and started doing day tours.
The reason I began doing day toursfrom Dalhousie and living there for several
months was so that I could affordto do my own research in the area.
Retaining to the Knights, Templar,the Da Vinci Code, the real
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story behind that King Artha and theTemplar's presence in Scotland, but also their
relationship with the Clan Ramsey, withmy clan, the different families in the
area, because there's actually a lotof connections between Clan Saint Clare, Clan
Ramsay and all these different clans.There's a lot of intermarriage, there's a
lot of stories and secrets passed down. And I decided to do these day
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tours as a way of funding myown research, but it became a passion
of mine and I love sharing thisknowledge with people hands on. You know.
I love to present as well andgive presentations, but when I can
do this stuff hands on on site, that is so magical to me to
get to share that. Nothing likeit, There's nothing like being there.
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Absolutely. I was at Stirling Castlea few years ago and I have to
tell you that we visited several areas. That place is magical. There is
this sort of feeling or something inthe air. There's a presence. Do
you since that when you're there?You know, it's interesting you say that
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because I remember my very first visitto Stir and I remember being there,
and it's kind of a funny story. When I first started doing these tours,
it all went back to my firstvisit to Scotland. And when I
first got to Scotland, I wasstaying at Roslin Castle, which in the
Da Vinci Code. At the veryend, you see Sophie wearing a tartan
wrap around her shoulders and she's standingin front of the castle ruins. There's
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cars park there and then she dipsher foot into a small pop man made
pond there and she says, no, it doesn't turn into line and they
say goodbye, and then you seeTom Hanks walk off. Well that is
Roslin Castle behind it, and itactually goes down into the side of the
hill there. It's built into theearth and there is the ability to rent
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it, which I did. Irented it for three nights and I stayed
there alone alone. It was myfirst time in Scotland and it was crazy.
I did have a paranormal experience therewhich was incredible too, but and
I didn't understand it because I rememberwhen I got there. Funny storage me
being Haley, it's a Haley moment. But I get there and my Uber
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driver would not drive me all theway up to the castle. So he
drops me off with all of myluggage to be in Europe for a month,
at the end of this gravel road, just the stir road, just
drops me off, and I'm thinking, oh no, and it's I don't
know, maybe one pm in theafternoon. No, it was probably closer
to three pm. Yeah, itwas probably closer to three pm. It
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was mid to late afternoon. AndI remember pulling my luggage down the gravel
road thinking, oh my goodness,I look crazy. There is a couple
in front of me that were clearlytourists walking down to see the castle,
and I was just thinking, ohman, they're gonna think I'm nuts.
So anyway, I get down therefinally and they turn around and they look
at me. My phone has died. All I know is the housekeeper is
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supposed to meet me and give methe key to the castle. Sounds silly.
So I get there and the housekeepersthere and this couple turns around.
My phone's dead and I'm knocking onthe door. No one's answering, and
she this couple says, would youlike to borrow our phone? Is there
somebody you can call? Do youneed help. And I said, well,
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I'm staying here, and they said, in the ruin. I said,
oh, it's not a ruin.There's actually there's actually living quarters in
there. The family still uses it. It's and they're like, uh huh,
okay. I'm sure they thought thatI was off my rock. But
anyway, they offered to let meuse their phone. So I call the
chapel, Roslyn Chapel, and theysaid, oh, yeah, the housekeeper
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left early. Come up here andget the key. But I thought to
myself, I've just dragged all myluggage down here. I'm not dragging it
all the way back up into town. So I hide up behind the hedges,
hoping that steals it. And thenI walked back up into town to
the chapel and I get the key. Now, the lady at the desk
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there, I don't think she worksthere anymore, but she was really precious.
And she said to me, oh, do you know the story of
the White Lady? And I said, what white lady are you talking about?
So she tells me the story abouthow at Roslin Castle at midnight,
supposedly the White Lady, the ghostcomes and she sings of a location of
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the Roslin Castle treasure, but onlythe worthy we'll hear her or hear her
song lyrics. So she tells methis, and I think, okay,
I better stay up till midnight.I get the key, I go back
and I'm trying to unlock the door. But nothing could be easy, of
course, so the door is notopening. Oh no, not opening,
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and so I know it's unlocking.I hear it clicking as I'm unlocking it,
and then I just got frustrated afterabout ten minutes of this door not
opening, and finally I look overand I see an older gentleman walking a
little puppy, a little lab puppy, a chocolate lab. And I said,
sir, sir, can you pleasehelp me open this door? And
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he says, are you the housekeeper? And he was Scottish and I said
no, I'm renting. I'm rentingit. And he said you're renting the
ruin and I said, no,it's a castle. There's living quarters inside,
it's not a ruin. And soanyway, he calls his son over
that was probably a couple of yearsolder than me, and he asks his
son to help me open the door. Now what I realized as his son
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comes over and takes the key,tries to unlock the first lock. It's
already unlocked. Door still won't open. He looks down, kneels down.
There is a second lock beneath thetop one. So I was embarrassed.
I thought, oh man. Helooks up at me and says, it
was at your height. I meanhe was. He was probably six foot
so he was the collar. I'mfive to two. He says, all
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was at your height. You shouldhave seen it. And I started laughing
and I thought, oh man,okay, sorry. And so once they
opened the door, I said toboth of them, to the father and
son and talk, do you guyswant to come in and see the castle?
Since you help me open the door? And the father says to me,
Colin is his He says, you'regoing to invite two strange men and
a puppy into your castle. AndI said, yeah, you guys help
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me open the door. If youwere to do anything shady, you'd have
done it by now. So comeon in, let's explore it. So
they come in with me. Ichat with them, get their puppy some
water. We walk around the castleand talk, and it turns out that
Colin actually was a Stonemason and hedoes repairs on castles for Historic Scotland for
you know, the different historical societies, the National Trust and different chapels as
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well as well as doing private jobs. And so we get to chatting and
he says, well, to shameyou're not around longer, I would take
you to visit some castles this week. I said, I've got nothing going
on tomorrow. I didn't have arental car or anything. And he goes,
well, i'll pick you up athalf ten we'll go look at some
castles, how about that? AndI said sure. Wow. So I
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remember calling my mother and telling herabout this and she said, You're going
to look at castles with a strangeScotsman and I said yes. He ended
up being the driver from my tourswhen I began doing day tours in Scotland.
Oh oh, the first time Ivisited Sterling Castle he took me there,
and I believe it was Sterling.It was either Sterling or Linlithgow,
maybe both. Actually he had donesome stone masonry repairs on. So I
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remember being at Sterling and we wereleaning over looking down where the round table?
Did you see the gardens? Iwas talking about when you were there.
Yeah, yeah, I remember myfirst time being there, that magical
feeling looking down and across and overat the hills in the distance and thinking
wow, this place is magical,and looking down over at the gardens and
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seeing the round table and just thinkingwow. I mean, there's just a
moment of I can't even put itinto words. When you're standing there,
looking around you at the views surroundingSterling, it just feels like you're on
top of the world almost. Itis a very magical place. Oh,
it absolutely is. Now, whatabout the White Lady. I did not
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see her, but I did hearsomething around midnight that kind of me out.
I was going to sleep or tryingto and I was sleeping in the
master bedroom, which actually is wherethe trying to think if it's the Duke
or Earl of Rosslyn. I thinkit's I'm not quite sure. I think
it's the Earl. The Earl ofRoslyn and his wife still come and have
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family holidays at Roslyn Castle and that'stheir bedroom. And so I was staying
in the master bedroom as I wasthere, and I remember I locked the
door to the castle and it's oneof those old fashioned castle Keys. I
remember locking the door going to bed. It's dark, and I'm freaking out
because I'm in the middle of theScottish countryside and I'm totally alone in this
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castle with little around me for miles. So I'm thinking, oh, man,
worrying a bit. And then aroundmidnight I was listening for the White
Lady, but I heard fighting.I heard fighting outside and it sounded like
metal clanking or glass breaking, andI thought, oh, there's probably some
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kids down in the glen, downby the river having a party or something.
So it's kind of what I wroteit off as, but it wasn't
until after I left Scotland and Iwas actually on my plane back to the
US, I had this hankering tolook up the connection between the Ramsays of
Dalhousie and Roslin, the Sinclair's ofRoslin, and it turned out there was
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a whole battle fought over one ofmy ancestors, Lady Margaret Ramsey, from
Dalhousie Castle, and it was becauseshe was courting Henry Sinclair at the time,
and this was I'm trying to thinkwhen this took place. The Battle
of Roslyn happened in thirteen oh three, so it was prior to this,
going back to twelve I believe itwas twelve ninety eight to thirteen oh two
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or so, she was courting HenrySinclair. He was made Lord of Roslin.
She was there at his nighting Ibelieve eventually he was. She was
at his nighting ceremony and William Wallace, I want to say, was there
or yeah, William Wallace was there. A lot of signify people, figures
in Scottish history were present at RoslinCastle for the ceremony and that's when they
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announced that they were betrothed. Theproblem with this was that there was still
an English hold on Scotland, andthere was John de Seagrave who was an
English governor of Edinburgh Castle. Sohe had been enamored with Lady Margaret Ramsay
and he would come over to DalhousieCastle bring gifts and things for her family
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and for her, and when hegot news that she was betrothed to Henry
Sinclair, he was infuriated and wroteto the King of England asking for permission
to march on Scotland, which hedid and the Battle of Rosslyn was a
lot I believe the last of thethree battles. It was one of the
bloodiest battles in Scottish history during theScottish Independence Wars. Nobody really talks about
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it, but essentially what ended uphappening was there was an attack in the
Glen in Scotland and the Scots won. Long story short, there's a bunch
of Templar influences and Prior Abernathy goteverybody all spun up and said, you
know, it's God's will. Hehad a saltire cross set fire upon in
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the Pentland Hills and told the soldiersit's a sign from God we will have
a victory on this day. Hegets them all amped up and gives them
the battle tactics that he was taughtin the Holy Land when he was at
Knights Templar. So as he's sharingthese tactics, that's how they were able
to defeat the oncoming English troops.And so my ancestor, Lady Margaret Ramsey
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and Henry Sinclair ended up living happilyever after. But it took a lot
of deaths first, and this Johnde Seagrave happened to be ransomed off.
They captured him and he was ransomedback to the British. To the English
Crown. Now, when I wasreading about this on the plane, I
thought I had chills because I thought, oh my gosh. Around midnight that
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first night I was there, Ididn't hear the White Lady, but I
heard what sounded like fighting and screamingand you know, metal clanking, almost
like some type of battle taking placeoutside the castle and my ancestral connection.
So I found that bizarre, andI thought, was that what I heard
or was it really just kids downhaving a party in the glen by the
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river. I don't know, butthat was a really crazy experience. Yeah,
I think it was for real.Yeah, very well. Absolutely.
Okay, we are over time,so please tell us a little bit about
this and what you're going to talkabout at XCON. Yes, So this
is my first book. It wasjust published in twenty in March twenty twenty
three, and it is about thehistory of the Sacred feminine, interweaving the
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spiritual and the science of archaeology,anthropology the history of the sacred feminine but
also reflecting a more spiritual ancient perspective. And I also talk about her veiled
presence in secret societies like Freemasonry,in the Night's Temple and other mystery traditions,
which I will talk about a lotof these ancient beliefs, spiritual traditions
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and mystery traditions in my lecture,going through Freemasonry, the Knights Templary,
but also Egyptian mythology like Isis andOsiris, baby Horace. I'll be talking
a little bit about Mary Magdalene andJesus and that sort of thing, kind
of the tradition that they passed onthat revered the goddess secretly. Well,
that sounds fantastic and I wish wehad more time, But will you come
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back again sometimes so we can spenda whole hour. Absolutely, that'd be
great. All right, thank youso much. Haley Hailey Ramsey will be
speaking at ex Con And this isMARGIEK with the next news. I'll see
you here again next week. Thoughthoping that mat Her thought of doing dislinginging
M hm hm. It's time forthe Unexed News. Extraterrestrials, Time Anomalies,
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dimension dimensions, remote viewing, UFOs, UAPs and USO's, ghostly encounters,
abductions, Bigfoot and more more,your end of the week news source
for everything everything unexplained. Here isyour host for the unex News podcast,
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MARGIEK. Sorry about that, folks, technical error. MARGIEK. And this
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is unex News. We're here everyFriday night at six pm Central, seven
pm Eastern, and I'm glad youcould join me this evening because I have
a couple of really great guests thatare coming on. First of all,
you know x Con is coming upvery very very soon. Go to the
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website unexnetwork dot com to get someinformation. There still are tickets available and
you can even get tickets at thedoor at a super good price. So
go to unexnetwork dot com to checkthat out. And we still have some
tickets available for the Arkansas Paranormal Expothat is put on in Little Rock every
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year, and I believe this istheir eleventh year and they have a wonderful
lineup of speakers. Just go toArkansas Paranormal dot com for more information.
About that. My first guest thisevening is Scott Walter. Now you probably
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know you're probably very familiar with whoScott is. He hosted the show America
Unearthed on the History Channel, andhe had been a long, long time
investigator. He's written several books whichwe are going to get into this evening,
and it's just a thrill to havehim on my show tonight. Welcome
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to the program, Scott, Hi, Margie, thank you for having me.
I'm looking forward to this conversation andI'm really looking forward to the conference.
And you know, while we werejust taking a break here, while
you and I had a conversation,I had I asked Janet to bring something
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up that I wanted to kind ofspring on you that you might find interesting
in light of the conference coming up, that deals quite a bit with UAPs,
right, it most certainly does well. And you know, we can
talk about this more if you want. But the lecture that I'm planning to
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give is tentatively titled The Knights TemplarAmerica's True Founding Fathers, and we're going
to look at it kind of fromthe lens of something that has long been
associated with the Knights templar, andthat's the holy Grail. So I will
be getting into that in detail.But one of the things that has happened
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in the story that I'm going totell, which is a close colleague and
friend of mine had known for manyyears who worked for an agency that did
work for our military. His bestfriend came into some documents that he purchased
back in nineteen seventy one. Hesold those documents in nineteen ninety four.
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What we did not know until fairlyrecently in the last few years, is
he pulled out the most important partsof that document. He gave them to
his colleagues in the agency with strictinstructions upon their deaths that this material that
Bill had given him given them wouldgo to Don Rue, his best friend
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and my friend that I'm telling youabout now. So over the course of
the last six years, five ofthese colleagues have passed away, and Don
will give me a call and say, Scott, I got a package.
John Drake died and I say,don't hope, and I drive out to
New York and we open it together. Oh. Now, this has happened
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several times. What we think mightbe the last batch of material has come
forward this year in twenty twenty three, starting in January. I'll tell the
story about how we got this stuffat the conference. But there were six
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messages in there, and one ofthe surprises that came from these messages,
some of them quite lengthy, areall the details about what happened at Oak
Island. I'm not going to gointo that now either. But what I
wanted to say was the other surprisethat we got was what I'm going to
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present to the people that come tothe conference. I'm going to let them
decide for themselves with how they interpretwhat I'm about to share. But in
my view, there is no questionthe involvement of extraterrestrials well in this story,
which completely blindsided us, and Idon't know how it can be interpreted
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any other way. Now, that'sgoing to be exciting enough, and I
think that's going to really And Igot to tell you, this is not
the world that I've dwelled in duringmy career. It's not that I never
thought about extraterrestrials or the whole question. It just wasn't in my wheelhouse been
thrust upon me. And in thelast few years I've become very deeply involved.
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Now, that involvement also included havingpeople contact me about testing artifacts.
We can talk about that more ifyou want. But one of the things
that happened recently was one of thepeople that contacted me sent me what he
says is an alien skull, actuallysent me two of them for testing,
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okay, and I tested a bunchof other artifacts for him. And as
a gift, he gave me oneof those alien skulls. Oh my,
and it's in the box. It'sin the box. Are you going to
bring that to the conference? Well, that's what I was going to ask
you. Is that something that youwould like me to do? Now,
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here's what I'm thinking about. Youknow those old collector footballs they put him
in a glass case. Yeah,I have a couple of those, and
I'm thinking of bringing that and maybebringing the skull along. And I just
want to make it clear to everybodyright now, I'm not saying that this
is an alien skull. I haveno idea what it is. I've never
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seen anything like it before. ButI just want to take, you know,
input from people. I want toask questions myself, try to answer
questions, learn as much as wecan to try to figure out what this
might be. Again, I'm notsaying it's an alien skull. It was
presented to me as an alien skull. One of the things you're going to
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notice clearly is that it's covered insoil, there's roots growing in and out
of the bones, and I havenever seen anything like this before. It's
truly otherworldly in that respect. Whetherit's actually other worldly is another question exactly
the skull situation. There's a lotof controversy about that. There are people,
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especially the elongated skulls. I'm actuallygoing to be bringing a couple with
me to the conference as well.Oh really going to go. Yes,
these were gifts from Race Hobbes,and we'll tell the backstory at the conference.
But these are copies, oh gotchthat were professionally made as exact replicas.
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Not they're they're not the originals,but there were only a few copies
made and then the artists died,so there are only very few. Yeah,
but they're extremely intriguing. They justdon't look human, so neither okay,
okay, yeah, And you know, I'm not an expert in in
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skeletons or or bone structure, butthere are certain things that you recognize and
then you know, so that's goingto be fantastic. That's a nice surprise.
Yeah. Well, I just thoughtabout it here and I was I'm
going to be speaking at another conference. But I just want people, you
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know, anything that we do thatthat is ET related. I guess I
just want to get some input becauseI've had labs that actually have refused doing
testing see fourteen testing because they justdon't like the nature of this material and
they're afraid of something. I'm notexactly sure what they're afraid of, And
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frankly, it kind of annoys mebecause you know, I run a testing
lab myself. I've done this foralmost forty years, and I don't sit
there and ask background questions about youknow, the the well, I guess
the ethics of the project do matter. But if I'm given a sample and
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they want me to test it justbecause it came from one person's house versus
another person house, is irrelevant tome. You should just test it,
give the data, the results ofthe results, and for a laboratory to
question my intent or somehow say thatI have something that is not a typical
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thing that they're used to testing,that there's something wrong with that. You
should be able to run the test, get the result, and let the
chips fall where they may. Right, That's exactly exactly. But they The
thing is that a lot of theselabs, they will lose their funding if
they do any work on anything thatis considered to be alien technology or sasquatch
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for that matter. They will.Yeah, that's a good question. Why
why is the government involved in this, in keeping this hush hush? They
just don't want that information out.Well, you know, I got to
believe that that is true, orhas been true for a long time.
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But I will say about three yearsago, a little over three years ago
now, I was contacted by aperson who said they were with NASIK as
part of the Department of Defense andasked me if I wanted to be involved
in disclosure. And I said,why are you contacting me? I said,
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there's a lot of other people thathave a hell of a lot more
experience with this than me. Ihave next to zero, at least at
the time. And he said,well, that's what we want. Somebody
who's unbiased, somebody who is reputablethat we can trust what they say.
And I said, well, Iappreciate that, and we went to this
hole back and forth of him.You know, he had established to me
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that he was who he said hewas, and that took some time,
including a personal visit, but wegot over that hurdle, and so a
lot of things were shared with me. I was basically given, not given
a script, but you know,we talked about things that we developed a
script based on my comfort level wassome of the things that I was asked
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to convey. And so I'm stilldoing that when people ask me. And
and I guess the point I wantedto make is that for a long time,
the government did keep things hush hush. I mean, people died that
were, you know, talking morethan they should. But he said in
twenty six seventeen they got a directivethat basically was one hundred and eighty degree
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turn that they want to get theword out to the public. The question
is how do they do it?And you know, what information do they
convey? But there's no doubt thatin the last several years things have changed.
I mean we're hearing about extraterrestrials andall subject matter related to it,
I mean almost constantly. I mean, one of the ways I gauge what's
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going on in the world. Ismy Twitter feed or my ex feed do
I see anything related to extraterrestrials?And the answer is almost constantly yes,
yes, yes, there has forthose of us who have been in uthology
for a long time. For me, I've been studying it for forty years
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and I've been an investigator since twothousand and seven, that there has been
a complete one pint eighty Well almost, Yeah, they're not disclosed maybe about
one right, let's say that.Well, that'd be a generous one sixty.
Yeah, they're still withholding a lotof information. But yeah, there
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seems to be more willingness to letthis information out and not interfere because I've
had cases directly interfered with and stoppedfrom going public in the past, but
not in the past couple of years. So it's exciting to me that you
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found a connection with the Knights,Templar and aliens. Oh yeah, it's
funny. But the contact person thatyou know, I still know him quite
well. We've become very good friends. He before he entered work with the
government, he was a freemason.Obviously he had to renounce his affiliations at
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that point. But you know,once you're a brother, You're always a
brother, so we can we canconverse, you know, in that regard
as well, and we talked manytimes about you know, there's there have
been rumors that the Templars had someconnection with extraterrestrials. And when I first
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heard that, I kind of scratchedmy head and I thought, how can
that be? But there's no questionabout that now. And the more I've
learned about the true tradition of KnightsTemplarism, not the Knights templar that everybody
reads about on the internet and it'staught in school. The Knights are not
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at all the good Catholics that everybodywere taught to think that they were.
They were anything, but that theysimply pretended to be Catholic, but actually
embraced a much older ideology we'll talkabout in detail during the conference. And
it wasn't you know, for acouple hundred years when the Church finally figured
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out what was really going on,and that's part of the reason why they
put him down. And look,the reason that you arrest, torture and
burn somebody is because you're pissed,right, and they were pissed that they
had used a lot of the symbolsthat Christianity had interpreted one way that were
actually much older symbols that the templarsunderstood to be something completely different, and
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in their view, the Church hadcorrupted. So I know that's sort of
a tough narrative for some people tograsp, but it's the truth, and
it's time that the truth came out. And you'll get to know me,
Margie, I don't beat around thebush. If there's something going on,
I'm going to say what it isbased on the evidence that I think supports
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that. And some people aren't goingto like it. Look, life doesn't
always go your way, right,I think we all need to hear it
straight now more than ever. I'lltell you that living in this in the
age, right, Well, itis what it is. That's you know,
when when the when the facts andthe evidence lead you to a certain
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direction and you come to a conclusion, you know, until there's something else
that comes along. The change isthat it just is. That's right.
You follow the evidence wherever it goes, no matter how inconvenient it is.
And and I have to be honest, there have been times when I've followed
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the evidence. You know, wewere doing a show on America on Earth,
and I didn't like where it tookus. But the results are the
results. The data is the data, and here you go. You've written
several books. This was the firstone, I believe. Actually, no,
that was the second one in thisvein. The first one was called
the Kensington Roomstone Compelling New Evidence,and this one was the follow up to
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that, because really, the KingtonRoonstone was something that was brought into my
lab in July of two thousand andI was asked to do a forensic investigation
on it to try to determine theage of the weathering, and I did
that. I followed the facts andI concluded it was an authentic artifact that
the weathering was hundreds of years old. Therefore it couldn't be the late nineteenth
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century hopes that everybody claimed. Nowyou got to remember something, Margie.
When I first did this work,I never heard of the Kensington Roomstone.
I didn't know what it was.I didn't know about the controversy, and
frankly I didn't care because I can'tfall in love with my work. I
can't be biased by other conclusions thatpeople may have drawn. Of course,
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I found all this stuff out afterwards, but it was surprising to me and
disappointing frankly when people came out andthey looked at the data, they heard
the conclusion and they said, well, it's a fake, don't you know.
I said, no, it's not. So that prompted me to dig
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deeper. And really, the HookDecks is the net result of that.
That was the next phase of theinvestigation, because here's three undeniable facts that
must be true based on the KensingtonRunstone conclusion that I reached saying that it
was authentic. If it's real,that means that somebody came from Europe because
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it's carved in Old Swedish to thecenter of the continent, right, somebody
did it. They came from someplace and they came here for some reason.
And that's what I spent the nextseveral years. That's what I'm still
doing. That's what this lecture isgoing to be about. Who did it,
where they came from, and whythey came here. Those are undeniable
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facts right now. Getting the answersto those took a lot of time,
and the first phase of that isin that book The Hook Decks. Okay,
and then get a couple more.Okay, that's my latest book,
or I should say the latest onethat's published. There's one in between.
The one in between is called Akantonto the Founding Fathers. Oh there it
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is. There it is. Andthat one is that delves into the Telpia
Tomb we talked about a little bitearlier, and some of the other types
other artifacts that have been i shouldsay out of place artifacts that have been
found primarily in North America. Butyou know, I mean America has been
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a sanctuary that persecuted people have beencoming to literally for thousands of years.
And you know, one of thedirty little secrets that was obvious to me
was if there were people coming tothis continent and living here and carving these
artifacts and doing whatever it was theywere doing, who do you think that
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they would have run into? Howabout the indigenous people? Right? And
guess what, Nobody ever talked tothem. What a novel concept to talk
to them. So I've reached outto them, to many of them,
and guess what they know? Andthey know about the Templers, they know
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about the Vikings, they know aboutthe Phoenicians, and they know about the
sky people. Oh yeah, theymost certainly do. Of course they do.
So I just found that to bekind of shocking because I had many,
many conversations with academics about the runestoneand some of these other art of
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place artifacts, and I said,has anybody ever talked to the natives?
Well? No, it just seemedpatently obvious to me. And it turns
out they know all about all ofthem. I bet they do. Yeah,
Code, you know this this isa really book because it's the fourth
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book really in the series. Ihave a summary about the research on the
runestone and Cryptic Code actually is whatI call this discovery I made within the
Kensington Inscription. When I became aFreemason. I've gone through what we call
the Blue Lodge, which is,you know, the first start of a
Masonic journey. Many people, mostmost brothers, stopped there, but there
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are other avenues you can pursue.I'll talk about this in the lecture,
But in one of the degrees ofthe York right, something happened, an
amazing revelation happened that told me thatthe carver of the inscription was deeply initiated
in the Enochian mysteries, the legendof Enoch and the sequel and then the
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Nine Arches and that whole story.It's actually incredible, and so that that
was one of the major discoveries inthat book. But you know, there
was something else that we discovered inthat book that nobody seemed to catch,
and it was in the color sectionand in the black and white section.
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It was a painting that was doneby Leonardo da Vinci back in fourteen eighty
three called Virgin on the Rocks.Have you ever heard of that? Oh?
Yes, okay, do you knowwhat's going on in that painting?
Isn't that the one with the ufoin the background. No, it's not
with UFOs, although if you lookin the background there's some interesting you know,
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he carved some very interesting stalagtites andstalagmites in the cave. Right.
But the secret that's revealed in thatpainting is that not only was Mary Magdalene
married to Jesus and they had ason and a daughter and another son,
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but prior to that, Mary Maglinewas married to John the Baptists, and
they had a son. His namewas Jesus. Now, when you look
at the first version of that painting, there's a woman sitting off to the
right, wearing orange and green,which are the colors of Mary Magdalene in
art. So if you know,if you see those colors, that's that
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artist is initiated. They know thesecret about using the proper colors. This
woman is sitting off to the right, and sitting right next to her is
a little boy that's supposed to beJesus, right, and the other one
is supposed to be John the Baptist. Okay, now I know that.
How can those little kids who areat contemporaries in age with Mary Magdalene,
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probably older than her. How canshe be an adult and these be two
kids. That's not possible, isit? No? I wouldn't think so
there it is. Yeah, right, there's Mary Magnen orange and green.
See those little boys. The reasonis they're not contemporaries. That's her son
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with John the Baptist. And thenwhen he was beheaded, the priestly line
in the Acenic tradition of the timewent through the female, and so a
family member was obligated to marry herto continue the priestly line. Oh my,
yes, that's who married her.So and keep in mind a lot
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of people lost their minds when theda Vinci code came up, and this
whole notion that Jesus could be marriedand have a child. Well, for
God's sakes. In the a Scenictradition at that time, that was normal
to be a rabbi. It wasrequired to be married and to have a
son for secession. So this thiscraziness, if people truly understood the traditions,
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was this was the way it hadto be. Yeah, oh gosh,
Scott, I could talk to youfor hours, and I'm definitely gonna
have to have you come back onfor at least a full hour, but
we are, We're out. You'regonna dump me for somebody else? Yeah,
I think you know her. Ithink you know this gal coming up.
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Yeah, Okay, well let's go. I'll give way to the sacred
feminine here. But I'm really lookingforward to, uh to getting to the
conference, to meeting you in personand meeting everybody there. We're gonna have
a great time. And uh Ihave a little surprise. Yeah, well,
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as if, as if Scott weren'tenough, he's bringing a surprise with
him. Thank you so much,Scott. Okay, have a good interview,
Say hi to Haley and we'll seeyou soon. Okay, we'll do
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News I'm your host, margiek andthis evening I have another guest coming on
You're going to love. Her nameis Hailey Ramsey. She's an author,
researcher and tour guide with the passionfor history, esotericism and travel. She
currently leads tours around the world investigatingthe mysteries of the past pertaining to megalithic
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sites, the Knights, Templar,King Arthur, and the Holy Grail.
Her new book, The Bringer ofLife, a Cosmichi History of the Divine
Feminine, was just really least inMarch of twenty twenty three. Welcome to
the program, Haley. Hi,thank you for having me on, Margie.
It's nice to see you face toface. Yes, we've done some
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talking, but haven't seen each otherin person, so this is great.
Thanks for coming on the show thisevening. Of course, we're going to
do a little teaser about what you'regoing to talk about at ex Con,
but let me just go back andstart with how did you get interested in
these subjects. That's a great question, you know, going back to my
childhood. My favorite movie growing upactually was The Sword and the Stone.
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So I think arthury and lore hasalways had a special place in my heart,
and whether it comes from past livesor from just something that's in my
DNA, I can't say. ButI think there is something within all of
us that are drawn to different subjectslike these in this community that is deeper,
whether it has to do with pastlives, whether it has to do
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with genetic For example, one ofthe things that I learned from the Native
Americans was the seventh Generation, howtrauma and other things are passed on through
DNA over certain generational periods. AndI think that a lot of us,
especially in this awakening era that we'rein now, we've all got that gene
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and we've all gotten it from somewhere. So I think there is something passed
down genetically that brings some of usto the specific area of consciousness and awakening.
And so I say that because goingback through my own genealogy, it
started to make a lot of senseonce I saw that we came from Scotland
and the Great Britain in general.And so once I saw that, I
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started really diving into King Arthur,and I found that he was a real
historic person in Scotland. But notonly that, this Artur mcaden, who
really existed in Scotland. There wasa whole explanation for the sword and stone.
And once I started going down thisrabbit hole, I started to that
King Arthur had all these other connections, be it to the Knights, Templar,
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to these esoteric stories, but alsoto Egypt, to ancient Egypt and
before. So for me, whatbrought me into all of this, I
would say is the Arthurian legends andall of that has led me down,
if you will, a massive rabbithole that I can't get out of now
because I'm into deep. But it'sall interconnected, all of these things.
And what Scott was just talking about, be it the star people, the
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sky people, or the Templar,is going back to these scenes, all
these different ancient traditions. They allwere passing down the same knowledge that has
existed for thousands of years. Andthat is something that I cannot get enough
of. It is just extremely fascinatingto me, and we are just right
now. It is just the tipof the iceberg with what's being released publicly.
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You hit a nerve with me whenyou mentioned DNA knowledge, because just
a couple of years ago I discovereda way to remote view your own DNA
Oh, and I'm a direct descendantof Henry Sinclair me too. Yeah,
okay, so we're related, we'recousins cousins in some fashion. Uh,
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so we're gonna have a lot totalk about at ex Con. Yes,
I saw some things that way,and and so I think we're kind of
on the same level here with understandingthat sort of thing. The uh and,
like you said, that led youdown the rabbit hole. I'm a
total fan of King Arthur two.I knew from the beginning when I was
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a little kid listening to that storythat it was true. M h.
I just knew. And then youknow, everybody said, no, it's
just a legend. Well now I'msure about that. I think there's there's
a lot to it. And ofcourse people have done investigating as of late,
and they found some evidence and someareas in Scotland that could be attributed
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to this. It's pretty fascinating,I think. So you're going way way
back in time too. I mean, how long does it take you to
do research on an area? Oh? How it depends. It depends on
what the research is on. Imean it could take me an evening to
a week a month. I mean, it really depends. But in Scotland,
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going back to what you were justsaying about King Arthur, there's a
couple of sites that are key tome in all of this, and a
lot of people don't even realize.There's a place in Scotland called Sterling and
Sterling Castle is sitting up on thismassive hill now just below it, they
call it the I believe it's theKing's not the Royal Gardens. And then
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there is the Arthurian Table, theround table that is dating back to the
same era of King Arthur, thatis down in the gardens and it is
the oldest mound, the oldest structureor earthwork that is found in the Royal
Gardens. The King's Knot was builtin the sixteen hundreds and it is surrounded
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by a square. But this roundtable structure, there was a core sample
taken and archaeologists deemed it to dateto the seventh century to sixth century AD.
So this would fit right in theArthurian era when he existed in Scotland,
because he in Scotland was Archer Macaidenwasn't actually a king, but was
a son of the reigning king ofDowriata, which was the ancient kingdom on
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the western coast of Scotland and thenthe capital of that kingdom. Actually is
another location that we visit on ourtour, and this is on the Quest
for the Holy Grail tour in Scotlandthat Scott and I lead, and this
location happens to be on the westcoast in a place called kil Martin Glenn.
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Kil Martin Glen is a very ancientand magical place. There are several
cairns and one of them you caneven climb into. It is really this
past time we took our tour groupthere. I stayed down in there and
I meditated and it was incredible,and so we take groups there. There's
also a templar graveyard. Essentially,there is a bunch of templar grave slabs
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that are in the Kilmartin Cemetery therein the town. So after visiting those
stones, we go down and wevisit the cairns that date back to I
want to say, anywhere from fivethousand to six thousand years old. And
there's also a stone circle there aswell. And you see how the progression
archaeologically speaking, the progression of ritualculture changes. You see them start with
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just a stone circle build them upinto a cairn with stones that make around
dome structure like you might see atNew Grange, and so it's really fascinating
the progression you see at these stonecircles at these cairns. And then there's
also what we call Dnad Fort,and Dnad Fort is the ar therapy and
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connection. The reason being Dnad Fortactually happened to be where all of the
kings of Dalriata were crowned. Sothe story of the sword in his owne
was born here at Dunad Fort nowdune and Gallic dun means hill, so
Dnad it was the hill of Ad. Basically, Dunad Fort is a hill
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that you can walk up and thereis a carving of a footprint on the
top of the hill, which iswhere the coronation took place. And the
candidate for kingship would kneel down withhis right foot and the carving of the
footprint, and he would kneel downwith his sword. So when he would
kneel down, everybody standing below wouldbe looking up at him. They would
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put the crown in his head.He would be made king, and when
he he would rise, it wouldappear he was pulling his sword from the
stone. Oh wow, it happenedto you, Yes, and it fascinating
because of the onlookers from below,all of the citizens of Dalriata looking up
to the top of the hill.It appeared he was literally pulling the sword
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from the stone. That was partof the initiation for the king. So
that's where that's where it came from. It was born in Scotland, which
is just incredible. That's that isjust incredible. Now you do some tours.
I'm going to show a couple here. This one's coming up in May
next year. What is this oneabout? So this is the Path of
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Initiation where this is my first timedoing a tour and spade in Portugal.
We are going to be visiting Ceisler, connected with the Knights Templar, but
also have ancient roots. There aresome sites in Barcelona that also tie into
ancient Egyptian tradition. We'll be visitingdifferent towns like Suria, which also has
one of the oldest churches dedicated toMary Virgin Mary. We'll be visiting Tamar,
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which was a templar stronghold as well, and in Lisbon. We also
will be visiting places in Portugal thatare our reflection of the knights Templar's tradition.
Like CenTra. This is where there'sa very popular photo that's passed around
the internet and it shows what theycall the Initiation Well. The Initiation Well
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is at CenTra and it was actuallycreated more recently by a freemason who was
involved in a lot of different esoterictraditions. Now in Pinscola, we'll be
visiting some Templar castles and forts whereinitiations took place, and they have different
chambers that go underground, so we'llalso be getting to see the nice beaches
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there on the coastline. We'll beenjoying the food. We'll be visiting a
place that is in the middle ofSpain almost two Portugal that was a Templar
preceptory and it's a church that hasan astronomicalment that takes place and it has
ten hearts in the rose window makingthe rose window and the hearts are symbols
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of the Holy Grail, so thereis an alignment that takes place there.
But behind that Templar church there isalso an ancient cave that going back thousands
of years was used for goddess cultsand used in ritual, so the templars
chose this location specifically due to thegoddess cult and the cave there. So
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we'll be visiting some really intriguing offthe beaten path sites in Spain and Portugal.
That sounds like a fascinating trip.And what about this one. This
one's in September. We'll be visitingthe Orkney Islands and it will be exploring
the voyage over all, Henry Sinclair, ancient Negolithic sites and Lockness. There
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are some really incredible places up inOrkney, like Scara Bray prehistoric Village.
It's right on the ocean front andit is one of the most ancient sites
in UK and it is actually olderthan the Pyramids, so it's a prehistoric
village that exists there. And Scottand I have been and we went in
the dead of winter and it wasfreezing cold, but we were the only
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people there so it was great.So this time of year in September,
it'll be a little quieter and it'sthe best time to experience it. We'll
be visiting Mayshow Passage Tomb, whichis also another ancient site. And the
intriguing part about this site is thatthere's actually ruins. There's a runic inscription
carved inside the tomb, but it'snot as ancient as the tomb itself.
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It was actually carved by Crusader knights. So as Scott is talking about the
Kensington runestone being carved by the Knight'stemplar, this is actually for their evidence
to suggest that possibility, because theseCrusader knights were stuck in the chamber on
a stormy night and they ended upcarving somewhat silly things into the wall there,
but they were using runes kind oflike graffiti. Yeah yeah, yeah,
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silly things, but they were essentiallythey were still using ruins, and
it just goes to show that theseCrusader Knights were in fact using runs and
working itself as a magical place.There's also the Stones of Stenness, the
Ring of Broadgar, which we'll alsovisit, and it's just a very different
place. It's almost like its owncountry, separate from Scotland. It really
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is incredible. But not to saywe won't be in Scotland, because we
will also on the mainland and Invernesswill do a Lochness boat cruise. There
is Clava Cairns, a really beautifulstone circle well, there's multiple stone circles
and multiple cairns there as well thatare just incredible and actually might be the
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inspiration for Outlanders craigna dune that DianaGabaldon wrote. What was your inspiration for
setting these tours up? You know, ultimately it goes back to my dad's
death, and that's sounds a littleheavy, but my dad passed in twenty
nineteen. He was Green Beret andwhen he passed away, I really wanted
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to dive into our family history,into our genealogy, so as a way
of connecting with him and honoring him. After he passed, I started looking
into his ancestry and I found thathis ancestors had come over from Scotland,
and when I traced him back toScotland, the Ramseys came from Dalhousie Castle.
I visited there briefly in August twentynineteen, and then I went back
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in October, just around Staween andactually around Halloween and started doing day tours.
The reason I began doing day toursfrom Dalhousie and living there for several
months was so that I could affordto do my own research in the area.
Retaining to the Knights, Templar,the Da Vinci Code, the real
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story behind that King Artha and theTemplar's presence in Scotland, but also their
relationship with the Clan Ramsey, withmy clan, the different families in the
area, because there's actually a lotof connections between Clan Saint Clare, Clan
Ramsay and all these different clans.There's a lot of intermarriage, there's a
lot of stories and secrets passed down. And I decided to do these day
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tours as a way of funding myown research, but it became a passion
of mine and I love sharing thisknowledge with people hands on. You know.
I love to present as well andgive presentations, but when I can
do this stuff hands on on site, that is so magical to me to
get to share that. Nothing likeit, There's nothing like being there.
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Absolutely. I was at Stirling Castlea few years ago and I have to
tell you that we visited several areas. That place is magical. There is
this sort of feeling or something inthe air. There's a presence. Do
you since that when you're there?You know, it's interesting you say that
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because I remember my very first visitto Stir and I remember being there,
and it's kind of a funny story. When I first started doing these tours,
it all went back to my firstvisit to Scotland. And when I
first got to Scotland, I wasstaying at Roslin Castle, which in the
Da Vinci Code. At the veryend, you see Sophie wearing a tartan
wrap around her shoulders and she's standingin front of the castle ruins. There's
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cars park there and then she dipsher foot into a small pop man made
pond there and she says, no, it doesn't turn into line and they
say goodbye, and then you seeTom Hanks walk off. Well that is
Roslin Castle behind it, and itactually goes down into the side of the
hill there. It's built into theearth and there is the ability to rent
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it, which I did. Irented it for three nights and I stayed
there alone alone. It was myfirst time in Scotland and it was crazy.
I did have a paranormal experience therewhich was incredible too, but and
I didn't understand it because I rememberwhen I got there. Funny storage me
being Haley, it's a Haley moment. But I get there and my Uber
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driver would not drive me all theway up to the castle. So he
drops me off with all of myluggage to be in Europe for a month,
at the end of this gravel road, just the stir road, just
drops me off, and I'm thinking, oh no, and it's I don't
know, maybe one pm in theafternoon. No, it was probably closer
to three pm. Yeah, itwas probably closer to three pm. It
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was mid to late afternoon. AndI remember pulling my luggage down the gravel
road thinking, oh my goodness,I look crazy. There is a couple
in front of me that were clearlytourists walking down to see the castle,
and I was just thinking, ohman, they're gonna think I'm nuts.
So anyway, I get down therefinally and they turn around and they look
at me. My phone has died. All I know is the housekeeper is
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supposed to meet me and give methe key to the castle. Sounds silly.
So I get there and the housekeepersthere and this couple turns around.
My phone's dead and I'm knocking onthe door. No one's answering, and
she this couple says, would youlike to borrow our phone? Is there
somebody you can call? Do youneed help. And I said, well,
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I'm staying here, and they said, in the ruin. I said,
oh, it's not a ruin.There's actually there's actually living quarters in
there. The family still uses it. It's and they're like, uh huh,
okay. I'm sure they thought thatI was off my rock. But
anyway, they offered to let meuse their phone. So I call the
chapel, Roslyn Chapel, and theysaid, oh, yeah, the housekeeper
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left early. Come up here andget the key. But I thought to
myself, I've just dragged all myluggage down here. I'm not dragging it
all the way back up into town. So I hide up behind the hedges,
hoping that steals it. And thenI walked back up into town to
the chapel and I get the key. Now, the lady at the desk
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there, I don't think she worksthere anymore, but she was really precious.
And she said to me, oh, do you know the story of
the White Lady? And I said, what white lady are you talking about?
So she tells me the story abouthow at Roslin Castle at midnight,
supposedly the White Lady, the ghostcomes and she sings of a location of
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the Roslin Castle treasure, but onlythe worthy we'll hear her or hear her
song lyrics. So she tells methis, and I think, okay,
I better stay up till midnight.I get the key, I go back
and I'm trying to unlock the door. But nothing could be easy, of
course, so the door is notopening. Oh no, not opening,
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and so I know it's unlocking.I hear it clicking as I'm unlocking it,
and then I just got frustrated afterabout ten minutes of this door not
opening, and finally I look overand I see an older gentleman walking a
little puppy, a little lab puppy, a chocolate lab. And I said,
sir, sir, can you pleasehelp me open this door? And
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he says, are you the housekeeper? And he was Scottish and I said
no, I'm renting. I'm rentingit. And he said you're renting the
ruin and I said, no,it's a castle. There's living quarters inside,
it's not a ruin. And soanyway, he calls his son over
that was probably a couple of yearsolder than me, and he asks his
son to help me open the door. Now what I realized as his son
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comes over and takes the key,tries to unlock the first lock. It's
already unlocked. Door still won't open. He looks down, kneels down.
There is a second lock beneath thetop one. So I was embarrassed.
I thought, oh man. Helooks up at me and says, it
was at your height. I meanhe was. He was probably six foot
so he was the collar. I'mfive to two. He says, all
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was at your height. You shouldhave seen it. And I started laughing
and I thought, oh man,okay, sorry. And so once they
opened the door, I said toboth of them, to the father and
son and talk, do you guyswant to come in and see the castle?
Since you help me open the door? And the father says to me,
Colin is his He says, you'regoing to invite two strange men and
a puppy into your castle. AndI said, yeah, you guys help
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me open the door. If youwere to do anything shady, you'd have
done it by now. So comeon in, let's explore it. So
they come in with me. Ichat with them, get their puppy some
water. We walk around the castleand talk, and it turns out that
Colin actually was a Stonemason and hedoes repairs on castles for Historic Scotland for
you know, the different historical societies, the National Trust and different chapels as
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well as well as doing private jobs. And so we get to chatting and
he says, well, to shameyou're not around longer, I would take
you to visit some castles this week. I said, I've got nothing going
on tomorrow. I didn't have arental car or anything. And he goes,
well, i'll pick you up athalf ten we'll go look at some
castles, how about that? AndI said sure. Wow. So I
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remember calling my mother and telling herabout this and she said, You're going
to look at castles with a strangeScotsman and I said yes. He ended
up being the driver from my tourswhen I began doing day tours in Scotland.
Oh oh, the first time Ivisited Sterling Castle he took me there,
and I believe it was Sterling.It was either Sterling or Linlithgow,
maybe both. Actually he had donesome stone masonry repairs on. So I
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remember being at Sterling and we wereleaning over looking down where the round table?
Did you see the gardens? Iwas talking about when you were there.
Yeah, yeah, I remember myfirst time being there, that magical
feeling looking down and across and overat the hills in the distance and thinking
wow, this place is magical,and looking down over at the gardens and
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seeing the round table and just thinkingwow. I mean, there's just a
moment of I can't even put itinto words. When you're standing there,
looking around you at the views surroundingSterling, it just feels like you're on
top of the world almost. Itis a very magical place. Oh,
it absolutely is. Now, whatabout the White Lady. I did not
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see her, but I did hearsomething around midnight that kind of me out.
I was going to sleep or tryingto and I was sleeping in the
master bedroom, which actually is wherethe trying to think if it's the Duke
or Earl of Rosslyn. I thinkit's I'm not quite sure. I think
it's the Earl. The Earl ofRoslyn and his wife still come and have
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family holidays at Roslyn Castle and that'stheir bedroom. And so I was staying
in the master bedroom as I wasthere, and I remember I locked the
door to the castle and it's oneof those old fashioned castle Keys. I
remember locking the door going to bed. It's dark, and I'm freaking out
because I'm in the middle of theScottish countryside and I'm totally alone in this
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castle with little around me for miles. So I'm thinking, oh, man,
worrying a bit. And then aroundmidnight I was listening for the White
Lady, but I heard fighting.I heard fighting outside and it sounded like
metal clanking or glass breaking, andI thought, oh, there's probably some
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kids down in the glen, downby the river having a party or something.
So it's kind of what I wroteit off as, but it wasn't
until after I left Scotland and Iwas actually on my plane back to the
US, I had this hankering tolook up the connection between the Ramsays of
Dalhousie and Roslin, the Sinclair's ofRoslin, and it turned out there was
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a whole battle fought over one ofmy ancestors, Lady Margaret Ramsey, from
Dalhousie Castle, and it was becauseshe was courting Henry Sinclair at the time,
and this was I'm trying to thinkwhen this took place. The Battle
of Roslyn happened in thirteen oh three, so it was prior to this,
going back to twelve I believe itwas twelve ninety eight to thirteen oh two
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or so, she was courting HenrySinclair. He was made Lord of Roslin.
She was there at his nighting Ibelieve eventually he was. She was
at his nighting ceremony and William Wallace, I want to say, was there
or yeah, William Wallace was there. A lot of signify people, figures
in Scottish history were present at RoslinCastle for the ceremony and that's when they
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announced that they were betrothed. Theproblem with this was that there was still
an English hold on Scotland, andthere was John de Seagrave who was an
English governor of Edinburgh Castle. Sohe had been enamored with Lady Margaret Ramsay
and he would come over to DalhousieCastle bring gifts and things for her family
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and for her, and when hegot news that she was betrothed to Henry
Sinclair, he was infuriated and wroteto the King of England asking for permission
to march on Scotland, which hedid and the Battle of Rosslyn was a
lot I believe the last of thethree battles. It was one of the
bloodiest battles in Scottish history during theScottish Independence Wars. Nobody really talks about
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it, but essentially what ended uphappening was there was an attack in the
Glen in Scotland and the Scots won. Long story short, there's a bunch
of Templar influences and Prior Abernathy goteverybody all spun up and said, you
know, it's God's will. Hehad a saltire cross set fire upon in
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the Pentland Hills and told the soldiersit's a sign from God we will have
a victory on this day. Hegets them all amped up and gives them
the battle tactics that he was taughtin the Holy Land when he was at
Knights Templar. So as he's sharingthese tactics, that's how they were able
to defeat the oncoming English troops.And so my ancestor, Lady Margaret Ramsey
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and Henry Sinclair ended up living happilyever after. But it took a lot
of deaths first, and this Johnde Seagrave happened to be ransomed off.
They captured him and he was ransomedback to the British. To the English
Crown. Now, when I wasreading about this on the plane, I
thought I had chills because I thought, oh my gosh. Around midnight that
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first night I was there, Ididn't hear the White Lady, but I
heard what sounded like fighting and screamingand you know, metal clanking, almost
like some type of battle taking placeoutside the castle and my ancestral connection.
So I found that bizarre, andI thought, was that what I heard
or was it really just kids downhaving a party in the glen by the
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river. I don't know, butthat was a really crazy experience. Yeah,
I think it was for real.Yeah, very well. Absolutely.
Okay, we are over time,so please tell us a little bit about
this and what you're going to talkabout at XCON. Yes, So this
is my first book. It wasjust published in twenty in March twenty twenty
three, and it is about thehistory of the Sacred feminine, interweaving the
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spiritual and the science of archaeology,anthropology the history of the sacred feminine but
also reflecting a more spiritual ancient perspective. And I also talk about her veiled
presence in secret societies like Freemasonry,in the Night's Temple and other mystery traditions,
which I will talk about a lotof these ancient beliefs, spiritual traditions
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and mystery traditions in my lecture,going through Freemasonry, the Knights Templary,
but also Egyptian mythology like Isis andOsiris, baby Horace. I'll be talking
a little bit about Mary Magdalene andJesus and that sort of thing, kind
of the tradition that they passed onthat revered the goddess secretly. Well,
that sounds fantastic and I wish wehad more time, But will you come
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back again sometimes so we can spenda whole hour. Absolutely, that'd be
great. All right, thank youso much. Haley Hailey Ramsey will be
speaking at ex Con And this isMARGIEK with the next news. I'll see
you here again next week. Thoughthoping that mat Her thought of doing dislinginging
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