June 28, 2024 • 56 mins
Kathleen Marden’s insatiable interest in UFOs and ET contact began in 1961, when her aunt and uncle Betty and Barney Hill had a close encounter and UFO abduction in New Hampshire’s White Mountains. As a family member, Kathleen gained firsthand knowledge of Betty’s and Barney’s UFO encounter on the day they arrived home, and two days later, she, her parents, and siblings visited the Hill’s home. She has devoted years to painstaking investigation of the Hills' anomalous events and archival research on their UFO abduction case. As the trustee of Betty’s estate, she selected files from Betty’s historical collection for a permanent collection at the Milne Special Collections Library, UNH Library, University of New Hampshire, Durham, NH. Her case study of the evidence is “Captured! The Betty and Barney Hill UFO Experience” (Updated in 2021). Since 1991 she has volunteered for the Mutual UFO Network in various positions such as Director of Field Investigator Training and Founder/Director of MUFON's Experiencer Resource Team. Over a ten-year period, Kathleen expanded her team from three members to forty-five trained, seasoned specialists and attracted PhD and MD psychological and research consultants. Additionally, she sat on the Edgar Mitchell Free Advisory Board. In this period, she worked on three studies on nearly 5,000 experiencers (Marden-Stoner, Edgar Mitchell FREE, MUFON ERT). Over time she altered her focus from investigation to compassion and advocacy for ET contact experiencers. She is a retired hypnosis practitioner specializing in ET contact and continues to cohost a monthly meeting for experiencers who embrace their relationship with positive nonhuman entities. She has appeared as an on-camera commentator on thirty-eight television and video productions. (See IMDb’s list at Kathleen Marden - IMDb/ ). Additionally, she has spoken on innumerable radio shows and podcasts and has lectured across the United States and to audiences in foreign countries. She has authored and coauthored numerous books and articles in UFO magazines and journals. Two of her books have been published in foreign languages. She is the recipient of two major awards for her years of dedicated work. For additional information see her website at www.kathleen-marden.com
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It's time for the Annexed News newsExtraterrestrials, time anomalies, dimension dimensions,
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And here is your host for theunex News podcast, Margie Kay. Good
evening, everyone, and welcome toUNEX News. I'm your host, Margie
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announce it we now have thirty oneshows. I believe that's correct. Race
will correct me if I'm wrong,but I think we have thirty one shows
now on the network and got somenew ones and some old ones and they're
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all good. So check it outat unexnetwork dot com. Got a couple
of speaking engagements coming up. Iwant to mention this is a really good
conference in Grafton, Illinois, Rebelsof Disclosure Conference. It's May thirteenth to
sixteenth, twenty twenty four, andthere are still tickets available. There are
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some amazing speakers at this event andit's very very well worth it, so
check that out. Also. Iam doing the Contact at Sea from Seattle
to Alaska cruise in September, andthat information's at contact at C dot com.
If you would just mention that youheard that from me, I would
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appreciate it. This is going tobe an awesome cruise and of course hopefully
we'll see the Northern Lights and afew UFOs as well, and then don't
forget x Con in October. TheSuper Early Bird or the Early Bird.
Tickets are available right now at unexnetworkdot com. My guest this evening is
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Kathy Martin, and she practically needsno introduction because everybody knows who she is.
But Kathy's insatiable interest in contact beganin nineteen sixty one when her aunt
and uncle, Betty and Barney Hill, had a close encounter and UFO abduction
in New Hampshire's White Mountains. Asa family member, Kathleen gained first hand
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knowledge of Betty and Barney's UFO encounteron the day they arrived home, and
two days later she her parents andsiblings visited the Hills home. She has
devoted years to painstaking investigation of theHills anomalist events and archival research on their
UFO abduction case. As a trusteeof Betty's estate. She selected files from
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Betty's historical collection for a permanent collectionat the Milne Special Collections Library, UNH
Library, University of New Hampshire,Durham, New Hampshire. Her case study
of the evidence is captured the Bettyand Barney Hill UFO Experience, which was
updated in twenty twenty one. Cathyhas been involved with Moufon the moofon ERT.
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She served as director of Field InvestigatorTraining and a founder director of Moufon's
Experience a resource team. Over aten year period, Kathleen expanded her team
from three members to forty five trainedseason specialist and attracted PhD and MD psychological
and research consultants. Additionally, shesat on the Edgar Mitchell Free Advisory Board.
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In this period, she worked onthree studies on nearly five thousand experiencers.
Over time, she altered her focusfrom investigation to compassion and advocacy for
ET contact experiencers. She's a retiredhypnosis practitioner specializing in ET contact and continues
to co host a monthly meeting forexperiencers who embrace their relationship with positive non
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human entities and Yes, we willget the rest in person welcome to the
pro Graham Kathleen, thank you.Great to be with you again. Margie,
so good to see you again.It's been too long, and I
know you've been out of pocket fora while. It's it's good to see
you back. It's wonderful to beback. So you have you have a
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lot that you've done. Let's let'sjust, of course, talk about Betty
and Barney Hill. You're in unclefor a minute. I know people know
they at least know of the case. Is there anything that you have learned
in the past few years about thiscase that you didn't know before? Absolutely.
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I had submitted three samples from Betty'sdress to a major university chemistry department
and they did an analysis, anelemental analysis on that dress, and they
discovered two elm on the dress thatare rare in the Earth's crust, very
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expensive. One of them is commonin our universe, but rare here,
very hard, very high burning pointsor melting points. So that was a
major find in my mind. Also, I was at the University of New
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Hampshire to do a television show withBen Hansen and we looked at the lining
of Betty's dress. Now I've lookedat that lining many times, but I
had sent a sample from the backof the lining to Phyllis Budinger, who
did one of the analyzes and extensiveanalysis. This time, we decided to
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cut an area that was near thewaistline of Betty's dress in the front,
near where her navel would have been, and I sent that sample to a
biologist lab person scientist and she didan extensive DNA test on it. It's
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all in my updated version of captured. But what she discovered is that the
sample and my sample of Betty's bloodwas too old to determine whether it was
blood, but she was able todetermine that it was fluid from Betty's body,
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and that fluid was on the lining, but it did not pass through
to the exterior of the dress,so it wasn't transferred to the lining from
something that Betty spilled. It camefrom Betty's body out into the lining of
that So that's fairly significant given Betty'smemory of having a needle inserted into her
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abdomen in the region of her navel. There's also been an update on the
star map with something like twenty fivehundred star models used computerized models. This
was of exo planets, and itwas determined that still Betty's map is and
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Marjorie's identification of the stars on themap six is eighty five percent accurate.
The scientist said that it was theclosest match that she could find in all
of the models that she looked atmore than twenty five hundred, and that
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there might be two stars that area better match, which would have a
really important significance regarding this case.And they're all exoplanets, so they're all
Earth like planet planets. I mean, I'm sorry, stars, they're all
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stars with exo planets. They haveEarth like planets. Well, that certainly
is significant considering the fact that we'veonly known about exoplanets for the past few
years. And so yeah, Imean, this just goes to show how
an old case can you can determinenew facts about it years later, and
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how important it is to keep anyevidence that you've got. Absolutely and I
have never stopped my investigation of thatcase. In fact, I'm in the
middle of writing a paper about itright now that I'm going to post on
my website within the next few daysat Kathleen Dashmartin dot com. I'm posting
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a lot of information about Betty andBarney there. Now, Oh, that's
just awesome. I've got one morepicture, and is that you with Betty
and Barney? It is me.That was taken by a photographer from Look
magazine, and he attended my highschool graduation. That's where the picture is
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from. I graduated from college tobut he was at the high school graduation.
Betty and Barney were air and hewas taking photographs full Look magazine.
Oh awesome. Well, you've knowna lot of people over the years.
You've collaborated with people, one ofthem, of course, being Stanton Friedman.
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I know you were very close withStanton, and tell us a little
bit about him. What did youthink about Stanton as far as a researcher
goes and well a non disclosure activist, I would say I enjoyed working with
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Stanton. Our our minds were sortof like minds. We had disagreements,
We didn't agree on everything, andI reserved the right to have my own
opinion, which I expressed. Butfor the most part I agreed with his
work and his statements. He hada terrific sense of humor and so on.
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The conferences where we worked together andshared a vendor table. We had
many conversations and I did a lotof laughing when I was in his presence.
We wrote three books together, sohe respected my work and I respected
him. And although we lived morethan a thousand miles away, he in
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New Brunswick and me in Florida,we worked very well together from a distance.
Yeah, he was a wonderful guy. I really liked him. Very
bright, honest, a great researcherand down to earth too. Yes,
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and here what is this. Thisis a State of New Hampshire historical marker.
And after Betty's death, a manfrom New Hampshire contacted me. He
had a petition and he had somethinglike fifty or more signatures on that petition,
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and he was petitioning the State ofNew Hampshire to erect a historical marker
for Betty and Barney Hill. Hewanted my assistance in doing this, so
I contacted the state and we bothsent that petition to the state, and
then the state decided they wanted towork directly with me. So I had
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to submit at least two dozen books, the original investigative reports, the Air
Force Project Blue Book Report, thereport to NICAP newspaper articles so much that
I had copies to the State ofNew Hampshire and the State Historical Society that
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erects these markers. Went through everything. They asked me to submit text that
I would like to see on thatmarker, and so I did, and
then in two thousand and eleven theyerected that march in Lincoln, New Hampshire,
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right along the route where Betty andBarney traveled on the night of September
nineteenth, nineteen sixty one. Andit is there and it's in front of
the Indian Head Resort on Route three, so anyone can go and see it.
Also, if you're going there andyou want to retrace that route,
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you can go to my website andI have a self guided tour that you
can print out or just look aton your cell phone and know exactly where
to stop and what Betty and Barneysaw at each place where they stopped.
Awesome. I know a couple ofpeople who have taken that tour and they
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really enjoyed it. You know,speaking of locations, a lot of people
feel like if they go to visita place where there has once been a
visitation or abduction or sighting, thatit will happen again at that place.
Do you think that there's some meritto that? Do you think that there
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are specific locations where you might havea better chance of having an experience like
that. Well, that's what Bettyand Barney thought, and following their close
encounter, they went back to thatsite over and over again right away as
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soon as the window weather cleared,so that they could drive down those roads
looking for that spot that they hadconscious recall of arriving at, with tall
trees all around and a fiery orbthat appeared to be sitting on the ground
in a roadblock. And so theythought that I know that, you know,
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if you go to the home ofan experiencer who is being taken on
a regular basis, perhaps you willsee a craft if the experiencer will permit
you to go there. Betty hada place in East Kingston, New Hampshire
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that she would go to and hadphotographs that were professionally analyzed of the craft
and video of craft that she observedin that same location time and time again.
We also, of course know aboutUFO flaps, and if you go
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to that particular area during one ofthese UFO flaps, you're likely to see
a craft. And now there arelots of people who are doing CE five
experiments and so you can join oneof those groups and go there and you
might see a UFO. The chancesare very good that you will see UFO
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if you're doing a CE five,especially with a group. Yes, we've
we've done that several times. I'vebeen actually doing it for years and it
never fails. Something always shows up. It's pretty awesome. It just goes
to show you that there is somuch more to this than nuts and bolts,
that there's a consciousness involved and andyou know it just it matters what
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your level of consciousness is as faras what your experience is going to be.
And I know you've done a lotof study on that and you've gotten
thousands of reports from people and withmany many pages of forms to fill out.
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What is your feeling about about thatsubject? Does your level of consciousness
matter in what type of experience youmight have? In my opinion, it
absolutely matters. The higher you mightsay, your vibration and I don't know
if people understand that they doay,Okay, So the higher you vibration,
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the more likely you are to havecontact with these non humans and even to
be able to communicate telepathically with them, to perhaps even have them come into
your environment the ets themselves. Soabsolutely, if you have a lower level
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of consciousness, if you're an alcoholic, if you're a mean person, then
if you have contact, it mightbe with a negative non human, possibly
an interdimensional that has come through.I agree hundred percent. A lot of
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it seems to be what kind ofa mood you're in at the moment,
or what life experience you're having atthe moment, depends on what type of
visitation you're going to have. Isee that over and over again in the
investigations I do. It's repeated timeafter time. If you meditate first,
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if you protect yourselves, if youexude love, you will be much more
successful than if you don't do anyof those things. Do you recommend that
people practice meditation who want to havea contact experience, I do, yes,
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And there are beautiful guided meditations onYouTube that you can go to to
elevate your vibrational frequency and clear yourchakras there. I highly recommend that I
belong to a meditation group. Imeditate three times a week. All right,
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that's good? That's a regular practice. Yes, what is this?
That is my Lifetime Achievement Award fromthe International UFO Congress that I received in
twenty twenty one. I also receivedone earlier than that. It wasn't a
Lifetime Achievement award, but it wasa Researcher of the Year award from the
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Mutual UFO Network and I'm very proudof both of those. Well you should
be. I have done an extraordinaryamount of work in this field and I
appreciate the recognition. Well, yes, indeed you have. And this looks
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like it was at Roswell with orClatou in the back. Yes, yes
it was. I always loved goingto Roswell. I won't be able to
be there this year because I've hadsome health challenges, but I'm hoping to
be back next year. I've beengoing there for since two thousand and eight,
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I believe it was every year.So it's a very good event.
Yes, there are quite a fewof them, and they seem to be
getting bigger and better every year.All of these events and with great speakers,
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and you know outside events where youtravel and you know, go visit
different places and then workshops all kindsof stuff. It's always fun. I'm
so glad that COVID is pretty muchover because we're now getting back out in
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public and seeing people. And it'sso fun to go to these events in
person because you get to have thatconnection with people, which I think is
half of it. Absolutely. Ijust love going to conferences and interacting with
people. It's wonderful. I amgoing to be at the Moufon Symposium,
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but I'm just going to run alittle workshop on Sunday morning. I'm not
going to be a speaker this year, but as a member of MUFON,
I always enjoy going to the symposium, and this will give me the opportunity
to listen to all the speakers aswell. Oh good, So you'll be
there the whole weekend. I will. It'll be in Texas, yes,
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serving Texas. Sorry, it's nearDallas Fort Worth, Yes, and I
will see you there. Great.And there's a shuttle from the airport right
to the hotel which is near theairport, so people can go to moufon
dot com and find the information aboutthe conference. Okay, well we've got
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to get You've done several books,You've written several books, quite a few.
I don't even know how many seven? Okay, seven, you're at
seven right? Now? Here's oneyou did with Stanton Yes, bacfish and
in Flying Saucers Extraterrestrial Contact. Whatis this one about? I wrote that
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book along with three other members ofthe ERT who specialized in various areas of
study, but I was the majorauthor, and it is sort of a
handbook for experiencers who are working throughtheir events. It provides a great deal
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of information. I wrote about thevariety of different types of experiences and use
several of the cases that I've investigatedin the book, all the way from
healing by extraterrestrials with evidence and withthe video of an ORB that entered the
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experience's body and healed his cancer afterhe asked for healing, all the way
to highly negative contact with a manin Texas where he was having events very
similar to the skin Walker ranch occurringon his airport. Oh wow, what
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percentage would you say of these experienceswould be considered a bad experience? Well,
according to our statistics, about twentypercent of the experiencers five hundred and
sixteen who protect diicipated said that theyhad a bad experience. About twenty percent
had a highly positive experience and theother sixty percent said that their experience was
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sort of neutral, it was businesslike that. Yeah, there's some kind
of a perception that seems to pervadethe public, thinking that almost every experience
is negative, but that the factsdon't show that. The data doesn't show
that, does it. The datadoes not show it, But those people
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who have had negative experiences speak veryloudly about it. And so I wrote
about that in the book, andI included suggestions for people who would like
for their experiences to stop to use. And I also wrote about vibrational frequency,
about these interdimensional negative entities that canenter your environment and what to do
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about that as well. So there'sa tremendous amount of information in the book,
including angels and demons and the paranormaland becoming more psychic, all sorts
of information. Awesome. Well,we're going to take a short break and
when we come back, we're goingto talk about your brand new book.
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Well, be back right after thesemessages a UFO conference enthusiasts, We've got
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UFO Day, and it mentioned gis being held in the UFO capital of
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middle of nowhere. There will bea parade, decorated yards, costumes,
vendors, speakers, and a showingof the movie The Day That We Stood
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Hi, everyone, We're back withthe next news. I'm your host,
Margie k and this evening, weare speaking with the one and only Kathleen
Martin. Let's get her back here, raises messin with me. Oh guys,
So Kathleen, your latest project,of course, is this book.
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This is the second edition. Whatis this about? This is about my
life, my personal experiences with theparanormal and my life's work, actually the
studies that I've worked on, theresearch that I've done, and the unorthodox
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research that I took part in,because I believe that I had come to
the point where I had learned asmuch as I could learn through investigation and
research, and I felt like Iwas stagnating like I was just walking on
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a treadmill, and I wanted toknow more, but I knew that the
work that I was going to embarkon was unorthodox and unacceptable to most eufologists,
and so I thought that I woulddo this only if it would be
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as scientific as it could possibly be, that we could use scientific instruments in
the presence of a man who wascommunicating with extraterrestrials. And I thought that
I would never ever mention this toanyone. And the only reason I took
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part in it is that the granddaughterof a Navy rear admiral gave me his
archival record, his correspondence files withWilbert Smith from the Canadian government. And
Wilbert Smith has an archive in Canada, but he was the UFO guy for
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the Canadian government. He was thehead of Project Magnet and Project Second Story.
And as I was reading through theseletters, they spoke about an experiment
they were working on with a womanwho was communicating with alleged extraterrestrials, and
they were meeting with her, theywere recording apparently what she said, and
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they were learning how to connect withthese ets themselves, and it was all
a scientific experiment where they were attemptingto find evidence that this was real,
and they did find that evidence,but it was part of a massive cover
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up. I even had the FBIreport from that that Grant Cameron had acquired
through the Freedom of Information Act.So lots of evidence in this case but
frowned upon. But when I tookpart in this experiment, met with Kevin
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Briggs. He was a man fromFlorida, originally from the UK, and
he had been a police officer afterhe was a lab technician there at the
university. His wife worked in thepsychology department. She was a professor or
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a teacher there and had other responsibilities. She had publications. And I met
both of them because they both livefairly close to me, and Kevin made
that proposal to me. After Imet him, I interviewed him. I
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hypnotized him about an experience that hehad as a child back in the UK,
and I found him to be verydown to earth and credible, and
so I invited these other researchers,Denise Stoner and Melanie Boughton Bragg, to
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participate in this study. And wehad met with Kevin, we'd had discussions
with him and he'd sent me agreat deal of scientific information that I sent
to scientists. So we did meet. We were able to acquire evidence,
and we asked questions. I haveone hundred and twenty in the book,
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and our questions their answers, andit is just amazing. Their answers were
so compelling and the evidence we receivedwas so compelling that I just had to
write about it, despite what itmight do to my reputation. So I
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did that, and we actually personallymade aid contact with these extraterrestrials. They
communicated with us telepathically. We couldfeel their presence in our bodies as a
very strong tingling sensation. They walkedinto our environment. They were also present
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in Kevin's environment during our monthly meetingsfor two solid years, and after a
year we increased the number of peoplewho were there and added to skeptics as
well. So it was I thinkit was an extraordinarily interesting study with a
lot of evidence, but a lotof information about these non humans as well.
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And they said that they were herepeacefully and they had been here since
the beginning of time to monitor ourprogress and to assist in our development.
They said that our scientific progress isout of sync with our spiritual level,
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and this happens, it can leadto the destruction of life on the planet.
And so they were highly concerned aboutour use of nuclear weapons and also
about our failure to be good stewardsto our environment. And those were messages
that they gave to Admiral Knowles andWilbert Smith way back in nineteen fifty four.
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Yes, and that the theme thatyou're talking about with these messages started
really in the fifties and maybe evenforties with people who were contact these like
Georgia Dampski, Buck Nelson, FrankStrange's that who talked about this and having
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telepathic contact but also in person contactat times. Most of it was telepathic
after there was an initial introduction andand some people had ongoing events and some
people still do today. I infact, have contact with Valiant Thor on
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a regular basis. And so aboutwhat you've done is taken this to another
level. You've taken this to amore scientific study with proof, with evidence,
and with multiple people involved, ratherthan just one person telling everybody else,
Hey, I had this contact andthis is what the person's and you
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know, this is the message.So I really appreciate what you've done,
because you've vindicated a lot of usby doing so. And I don't think
you have any problem as far asyour reputation is concerned. The people who
don't believe it or who are skepticshave not studied it. They don't understand
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it. It's like Stanton Friedman usedto say that, you know, the
noisy negativists, and why you knowsomething? Like why study something? I
just decided that's impossible. So yeah, just forget about those people. I
ignore those people. Yeah, yeah, that's all you can do because they're
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hopeless. Yeah. So thank youfor doing that. That that is amazing.
That's amazing that you spent so muchtime on it and you and your
team, uh and and just youknow, thank you for making that public.
I can't wait to read the entirebook. I'm about a quarter of
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the way through it. So wherecan people get your books? You can
order autographed copies for my website atKathleen Dashmartin dot com. That book is
available on Amazon as soft cover I'mnot sure if it's a hardcover yet or
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not, and also as an ebook. So all of my books are
available. Most of my books thatwere professionally published by New Page Books or
Moufon Publishing. Are also available onBarnes and Noble. Okay, wonderful,
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and we'll mention that again before theend of the show today. But now
I'd like to go to something thatyou told me a few years ago.
And I was doing a remote viewingsession and I saw that you were involved
in having personal et experiences, notjust your aunt an uncle, well us
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talking about that. You saw thatcorrectly. I really don't enjoy talking about
it very much because when I washaving those experiences, I was very frightened
and it was traumatic. But Imay have had experiences from the time I
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was a young child, but thatwas information produced under hypnosis without conscious recall
of it, and the psychological studieson hypnosis academic studies indicate that that's not
always reliable. But my conscious recallof an event occurred when I was seventeen
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years old, when my aunt Bettywas working on a scientific experiment to call
in craft they called it a psychophysicsexperiment to team of scientists who would give
her a script that she was toread to try to send telepathic messages to
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these etis on a nightly basis,and they would instruct these ET's of where
they should go to show their craft, asking them to land. Et Ce
Betty was asking them to land onmy grandparents farm. I grew up across
the street from my grandparents' farm,and one did land on their farm,
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two hundred feet from my childhood athome. It left physical trace evidence on
the ground. It was investigated,but my mother and I never mentioned that
we were taken that night. Wewere taken to craft. I found it
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terrifying. It changed me in somany ways. I no longer trusted my
mother. I thought that she wasinvolved in this. I tried to simply
explain it to myself as that mymother had assembled a medical team in our
home that night to do some kindof surgery on me, which makes no
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sense whatsoever. That was the mindtrying to make logic out of it.
It was it was my teenage mindtrying to make logic out of it,
trying to find any other explanation exceptfor the only explanation that fit when you
reduce it to the simplest possible explanation, considering the witnesses and the physical trace
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evidence on the ground, and thememories that my mother and I had,
and so I agreed with my mother, with my aunt Betty not to speak
about this publicly. And I onlyspoke about it publicly when I no longer
cared what people bought. And thatwas maybe five years ago, maybe a
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bit longer than that at UFO conferences. But yes, throughout my lifetime,
periodically, I have had contact withwhat we think of as gray aliens,
the type that took my aunt anduncle. So I'm an intergenerational contact or
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experiencer. And they told me thatthey were taking samples, tissue samples from
my body to test my body fortoxicity. I didn't know it at the
time, but I lived just downstreamand within probably a half mile as a
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crow flies from a toxic waste dumpthat became I'm a federally funded super Fund
project. Also, PE's Air ForceBase, a nuclear base, was only
twenty miles from my home, aswas the Portsmouth Naval Shipyard where nuclear submarines
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were being launched and built. Wasthis experience you had after Betty and Barney
had been abducted. Yes, Iwas thirteen when they were abducted. My
first conscious recall of abduction was whenI was seventeen. Did that event at
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age seventeen change your perspective on theworld. It absolutely did. Immediately,
I was not as felt that Iwas not as safe for is as comfortable
as I had been. I wasextraordinarily fearful. I turned within, and
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that wasn't good. I internalized myfeelings because I couldn't express them without fear
of retribution as Betty happened to myaunt Betty and my uncle Barney. So
it was many years before I startedto process this, and I spoke to
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John Mac. I spoke to BudHopkins. He hypnotized me. I spoke
to John Carpenter and a number ofdifferent researchers who worked with experiencers, and
Denise Stoner finally hypnotized me and Iwent to her support group. It was
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the first support group I had everfound that I could attend, and it
changed. It made an enormous changein me. I came to view everything
differently and came to accept my experiencesas not being something terrible that was being
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done to me, but something thatI was being treated well at doing.
The hypnosis made me realize that theywere projecting love toward me, that they
were attempting to elevate my vibrational frequencythat they were giving me information, and
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you know, all of that wasimportant and helped me to recover from the
trauma. I still do carry alittle trauma. I think I probably always
will, just because when they comeinto your environment and you're not expecting it
and you remember it and they're suddenlythere and there's nothing you can do,
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You're paralyzed, you're tingling all over. It's extraordinarily frightening. You have that
fight or flight response. And eventuallyI use self hypnosis and gave myself a
key word that I could say thatwould put me into a deep trance.
And that's what I used in orderto project love toward them when they came
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into my environment. Because I wasawake so often when they came in,
I wasn't able to sleep out offear that they were coming. A lot
of people do that. A lotof people stay up at night if they
sense that they're coming. I mean, I still do that even today.
I'll I'll be up until three orfour o'clock until I feel like that the
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witching hour is over. It's likethe witching hour for UFO is three am.
It seems to be and then ifI look at the clock and it's
three thirty three, that's when I'vebeen taken and back That's when I'm back
home. And that happens to alot of abductees. Have you found that
Yes, I found that to betrue with other experiences and with me as
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well. So three thirty three am. Wow. Do you think that your
personal experiences had some influence on whatyou do now to help other abductees process
what they're going through? Absolutely?It was my personal experience with what happened
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to my aunt and uncle, andmy personal experience with not being able to
tell anyone out of fear of ridicule, of having to hide this for so
long, and my experience in investigatingscientifically or through the mutual UFO network,
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where I had to make a casedetermination, and that case determination was pretty
much based on UFO sidings, noton abductions or et contact, and so
my heart went out to experiencers.I could no longer make a case determination
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because I didn't want to hurt anybody. I mean, experiencers are already traumatized.
So many are traumatized, and tohave the additional trauma of being treated
poorly, of being as was reportedto me by many experiences being told they
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needed to see a psychiatrist, tobeing told that they were imagining all of
this by investigators who simply did notbelieve them, who didn't want to even
look at any evidence that they mighthave acquired. And in my book Extraterrestrial
Contact, I tell experiencers how tocollect their own evidence, and I started
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doing that. I started working independentlywith experiencers, just like Bud Hopkins was
doing, and developed protocols on howexperiencers can collect their own evidence. And
then when they do, they havethe physical evidence. So if they want
to make a confidential report to themutual UFO network, they can and they
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have evidence, and that's so importantit is I find it rather ironic that
some investigators will only go to acertain point. Some of them are only
want scientific evidence, landing side evidence, change in the soil, changes in
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tree around the area, some typeof physical trace evidence, and then they
discount the abduction part, which tome is amazing, since there have been
reports of this going back actually millennia, but at least since the forties.
In our modern times, that thousandsand thousands, if not millions, of
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people have had this experience, butlike you said, most of them don't
want to report for fear of whatthe reaction is going to be from,
especially their friends and family. AndI've seen many cases where people have gotten
divorced over this or they're no longerspeaking than family members because of their experience.
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And that's two. That's yeah,there you go. So having a
book like this and having the informationto use as a guide to deal with
and then collecting your own evidence,that's fantastic. I don't think anybody else
has done anything like that. No, they haven't. According to what I've
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heard, that book has been calledthe best book ever written on that topic.
Well, I believe it. Ido believe it. Kathy. You
have done so much work in thisfield. Thank you so much for your
dedication and hard work in many,many years. And I'm glad you're getting
better. But and I'm looking forwardto seeing you at more of the conferences.
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What's new and coming up for you? Well? This year, I
am not going to speak at anyconferences because of the effects of lun term
COVID, but I'm hoping to Nextyear, however, I will be at
the Muffon Symposium in Irving, Texas. Right near the Dallas Airport, where
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there's a free shuttle from the airportto the hotel. You can go to
moufon dot com for all the informationto register for the conference. There are
going to be great speakers. I'mlooking forward to being an attendee and listening
to all of the speakers. Andon Sunday morning, I'm going to host
a very small group of about thirtyexperiencers, a little discussion group where people
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can talk about their experiences confidentially.Anything said in the room is to remain
in the room and not be takenoutside the room. So that is a
special event that you have to payextra four. I don't get paid,
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but it goes to the mutual UFOnetwork. And it's important to support Moufon's
work. And you also have anew study coming up, don't you.
I do have a new study.You'll find it on my website. I'm
doing this study with doctor Melanie BartonBragg, who is an ordained minister and
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a psychotherapist, a good friend ofmine actually, and this is a study
that anyone can take part in.Just go to my website and look up
the Martin Stoner commoneal Our study onExtraterrestrial Life and Belief, religious belief.
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You'll find it on the website atthe top on the menu, and please
take that. Anyone can take it. It won't take you long. If
you've never seen a UFO, thereare only twenty five questions. If you
have, or you've been taken tocraft or seen entities of any kind,
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then there are only fifty questions total. It's very quick to take, and
we really appreciate everyone's input, butplease take it only one time. Okay,
what everybody who's watching this show rightnow, go to Kathy's website and
take that. And it's Kathleen Dashmartindot com. Correct, that is correct.
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Okay, Well, thank you somuch for joining me this evening,
and I know we will see eachother soon. I'm probably in Texas.
I'm looking forward to it, allright. Well, thank you everybody for
joining me this evening, and we'llsee you here again next week
It's time for the Annexed News newsExtraterrestrials, time anomalies, dimension dimensions,
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And here is your host for theunex News podcast, Margie Kay. Good
evening, everyone, and welcome toUNEX News. I'm your host, Margie
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K and we are live on theKUNX Digital Broadcasting Network. I'd like to
announce it we now have thirty oneshows. I believe that's correct. Race
will correct me if I'm wrong,but I think we have thirty one shows
now on the network and got somenew ones and some old ones and they're
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all good. So check it outat unexnetwork dot com. Got a couple
of speaking engagements coming up. Iwant to mention this is a really good
conference in Grafton, Illinois, Rebelsof Disclosure Conference. It's May thirteenth to
sixteenth, twenty twenty four, andthere are still tickets available. There are
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some amazing speakers at this event andit's very very well worth it, so
check that out. Also. Iam doing the Contact at Sea from Seattle
to Alaska cruise in September, andthat information's at contact at C dot com.
If you would just mention that youheard that from me, I would
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appreciate it. This is going tobe an awesome cruise and of course hopefully
we'll see the Northern Lights and afew UFOs as well, and then don't
forget x Con in October. TheSuper Early Bird or the Early Bird.
Tickets are available right now at unexnetworkdot com. My guest this evening is
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Kathy Martin, and she practically needsno introduction because everybody knows who she is.
But Kathy's insatiable interest in contact beganin nineteen sixty one when her aunt
and uncle, Betty and Barney Hill, had a close encounter and UFO abduction
in New Hampshire's White Mountains. Asa family member, Kathleen gained first hand
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knowledge of Betty and Barney's UFO encounteron the day they arrived home, and
two days later she her parents andsiblings visited the Hills home. She has
devoted years to painstaking investigation of theHills anomalist events and archival research on their
UFO abduction case. As a trusteeof Betty's estate. She selected files from
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Betty's historical collection for a permanent collectionat the Milne Special Collections Library, UNH
Library, University of New Hampshire,Durham, New Hampshire. Her case study
of the evidence is captured the Bettyand Barney Hill UFO Experience, which was
updated in twenty twenty one. Cathyhas been involved with Moufon the moofon ERT.
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She served as director of Field InvestigatorTraining and a founder director of Moufon's
Experience a resource team. Over aten year period, Kathleen expanded her team
from three members to forty five trainedseason specialist and attracted PhD and MD psychological
and research consultants. Additionally, shesat on the Edgar Mitchell Free Advisory Board.
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In this period, she worked onthree studies on nearly five thousand experiencers.
Over time, she altered her focusfrom investigation to compassion and advocacy for
ET contact experiencers. She's a retiredhypnosis practitioner specializing in ET contact and continues
to co host a monthly meeting forexperiencers who embrace their relationship with positive non
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human entities and Yes, we willget the rest in person welcome to the
pro Graham Kathleen, thank you.Great to be with you again. Margie,
so good to see you again.It's been too long, and I
know you've been out of pocket fora while. It's it's good to see
you back. It's wonderful to beback. So you have you have a
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lot that you've done. Let's let'sjust, of course, talk about Betty
and Barney Hill. You're in unclefor a minute. I know people know
they at least know of the case. Is there anything that you have learned
in the past few years about thiscase that you didn't know before? Absolutely.
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I had submitted three samples from Betty'sdress to a major university chemistry department
and they did an analysis, anelemental analysis on that dress, and they
discovered two elm on the dress thatare rare in the Earth's crust, very
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expensive. One of them is commonin our universe, but rare here,
very hard, very high burning pointsor melting points. So that was a
major find in my mind. Also, I was at the University of New
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Hampshire to do a television show withBen Hansen and we looked at the lining
of Betty's dress. Now I've lookedat that lining many times, but I
had sent a sample from the backof the lining to Phyllis Budinger, who
did one of the analyzes and extensiveanalysis. This time, we decided to
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cut an area that was near thewaistline of Betty's dress in the front,
near where her navel would have been, and I sent that sample to a
biologist lab person scientist and she didan extensive DNA test on it. It's
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all in my updated version of captured. But what she discovered is that the
sample and my sample of Betty's bloodwas too old to determine whether it was
blood, but she was able todetermine that it was fluid from Betty's body,
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and that fluid was on the lining, but it did not pass through
to the exterior of the dress,so it wasn't transferred to the lining from
something that Betty spilled. It camefrom Betty's body out into the lining of
that So that's fairly significant given Betty'smemory of having a needle inserted into her
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abdomen in the region of her navel. There's also been an update on the
star map with something like twenty fivehundred star models used computerized models. This
was of exo planets, and itwas determined that still Betty's map is and
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Marjorie's identification of the stars on themap six is eighty five percent accurate.
The scientist said that it was theclosest match that she could find in all
of the models that she looked atmore than twenty five hundred, and that
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there might be two stars that area better match, which would have a
really important significance regarding this case.And they're all exoplanets, so they're all
Earth like planet planets. I mean, I'm sorry, stars, they're all
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stars with exo planets. They haveEarth like planets. Well, that certainly
is significant considering the fact that we'veonly known about exoplanets for the past few
years. And so yeah, Imean, this just goes to show how
an old case can you can determinenew facts about it years later, and
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how important it is to keep anyevidence that you've got. Absolutely and I
have never stopped my investigation of thatcase. In fact, I'm in the
middle of writing a paper about itright now that I'm going to post on
my website within the next few daysat Kathleen Dashmartin dot com. I'm posting
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a lot of information about Betty andBarney there. Now, Oh, that's
just awesome. I've got one morepicture, and is that you with Betty
and Barney? It is me.That was taken by a photographer from Look
magazine, and he attended my highschool graduation. That's where the picture is
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from. I graduated from college tobut he was at the high school graduation.
Betty and Barney were air and hewas taking photographs full Look magazine.
Oh awesome. Well, you've knowna lot of people over the years.
You've collaborated with people, one ofthem, of course, being Stanton Friedman.
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I know you were very close withStanton, and tell us a little
bit about him. What did youthink about Stanton as far as a researcher
goes and well a non disclosure activist, I would say I enjoyed working with
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Stanton. Our our minds were sortof like minds. We had disagreements,
We didn't agree on everything, andI reserved the right to have my own
opinion, which I expressed. Butfor the most part I agreed with his
work and his statements. He hada terrific sense of humor and so on.
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The conferences where we worked together andshared a vendor table. We had
many conversations and I did a lotof laughing when I was in his presence.
We wrote three books together, sohe respected my work and I respected
him. And although we lived morethan a thousand miles away, he in
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New Brunswick and me in Florida,we worked very well together from a distance.
Yeah, he was a wonderful guy. I really liked him. Very
bright, honest, a great researcherand down to earth too. Yes,
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and here what is this. Thisis a State of New Hampshire historical marker.
And after Betty's death, a manfrom New Hampshire contacted me. He
had a petition and he had somethinglike fifty or more signatures on that petition,
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and he was petitioning the State ofNew Hampshire to erect a historical marker
for Betty and Barney Hill. Hewanted my assistance in doing this, so
I contacted the state and we bothsent that petition to the state, and
then the state decided they wanted towork directly with me. So I had
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to submit at least two dozen books, the original investigative reports, the Air
Force Project Blue Book Report, thereport to NICAP newspaper articles so much that
I had copies to the State ofNew Hampshire and the State Historical Society that
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erects these markers. Went through everything. They asked me to submit text that
I would like to see on thatmarker, and so I did, and
then in two thousand and eleven theyerected that march in Lincoln, New Hampshire,
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right along the route where Betty andBarney traveled on the night of September
nineteenth, nineteen sixty one. Andit is there and it's in front of
the Indian Head Resort on Route three, so anyone can go and see it.
Also, if you're going there andyou want to retrace that route,
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you can go to my website andI have a self guided tour that you
can print out or just look aton your cell phone and know exactly where
to stop and what Betty and Barneysaw at each place where they stopped.
Awesome. I know a couple ofpeople who have taken that tour and they
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really enjoyed it. You know,speaking of locations, a lot of people
feel like if they go to visita place where there has once been a
visitation or abduction or sighting, thatit will happen again at that place.
Do you think that there's some meritto that? Do you think that there
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are specific locations where you might havea better chance of having an experience like
that. Well, that's what Bettyand Barney thought, and following their close
encounter, they went back to thatsite over and over again right away as
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soon as the window weather cleared,so that they could drive down those roads
looking for that spot that they hadconscious recall of arriving at, with tall
trees all around and a fiery orbthat appeared to be sitting on the ground
in a roadblock. And so theythought that I know that, you know,
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if you go to the home ofan experiencer who is being taken on
a regular basis, perhaps you willsee a craft if the experiencer will permit
you to go there. Betty hada place in East Kingston, New Hampshire
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that she would go to and hadphotographs that were professionally analyzed of the craft
and video of craft that she observedin that same location time and time again.
We also, of course know aboutUFO flaps, and if you go
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to that particular area during one ofthese UFO flaps, you're likely to see
a craft. And now there arelots of people who are doing CE five
experiments and so you can join oneof those groups and go there and you
might see a UFO. The chancesare very good that you will see UFO
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if you're doing a CE five,especially with a group. Yes, we've
we've done that several times. I'vebeen actually doing it for years and it
never fails. Something always shows up. It's pretty awesome. It just goes
to show you that there is somuch more to this than nuts and bolts,
that there's a consciousness involved and andyou know it just it matters what
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your level of consciousness is as faras what your experience is going to be.
And I know you've done a lotof study on that and you've gotten
thousands of reports from people and withmany many pages of forms to fill out.
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What is your feeling about about thatsubject? Does your level of consciousness
matter in what type of experience youmight have? In my opinion, it
absolutely matters. The higher you mightsay, your vibration and I don't know
if people understand that they doay,Okay, So the higher you vibration,
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the more likely you are to havecontact with these non humans and even to
be able to communicate telepathically with them, to perhaps even have them come into
your environment the ets themselves. Soabsolutely, if you have a lower level
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of consciousness, if you're an alcoholic, if you're a mean person, then
if you have contact, it mightbe with a negative non human, possibly
an interdimensional that has come through.I agree hundred percent. A lot of
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it seems to be what kind ofa mood you're in at the moment,
or what life experience you're having atthe moment, depends on what type of
visitation you're going to have. Isee that over and over again in the
investigations I do. It's repeated timeafter time. If you meditate first,
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if you protect yourselves, if youexude love, you will be much more
successful than if you don't do anyof those things. Do you recommend that
people practice meditation who want to havea contact experience, I do, yes,
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And there are beautiful guided meditations onYouTube that you can go to to
elevate your vibrational frequency and clear yourchakras there. I highly recommend that I
belong to a meditation group. Imeditate three times a week. All right,
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that's good? That's a regular practice. Yes, what is this?
That is my Lifetime Achievement Award fromthe International UFO Congress that I received in
twenty twenty one. I also receivedone earlier than that. It wasn't a
Lifetime Achievement award, but it wasa Researcher of the Year award from the
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Mutual UFO Network and I'm very proudof both of those. Well you should
be. I have done an extraordinaryamount of work in this field and I
appreciate the recognition. Well, yes, indeed you have. And this looks
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like it was at Roswell with orClatou in the back. Yes, yes
it was. I always loved goingto Roswell. I won't be able to
be there this year because I've hadsome health challenges, but I'm hoping to
be back next year. I've beengoing there for since two thousand and eight,
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I believe it was every year.So it's a very good event.
Yes, there are quite a fewof them, and they seem to be
getting bigger and better every year.All of these events and with great speakers,
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and you know outside events where youtravel and you know, go visit
different places and then workshops all kindsof stuff. It's always fun. I'm
so glad that COVID is pretty muchover because we're now getting back out in
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public and seeing people. And it'sso fun to go to these events in
person because you get to have thatconnection with people, which I think is
half of it. Absolutely. Ijust love going to conferences and interacting with
people. It's wonderful. I amgoing to be at the Moufon Symposium,
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but I'm just going to run alittle workshop on Sunday morning. I'm not
going to be a speaker this year, but as a member of MUFON,
I always enjoy going to the symposium, and this will give me the opportunity
to listen to all the speakers aswell. Oh good, So you'll be
there the whole weekend. I will. It'll be in Texas, yes,
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serving Texas. Sorry, it's nearDallas Fort Worth, Yes, and I
will see you there. Great.And there's a shuttle from the airport right
to the hotel which is near theairport, so people can go to moufon
dot com and find the information aboutthe conference. Okay, well we've got
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to get You've done several books,You've written several books, quite a few.
I don't even know how many seven? Okay, seven, you're at
seven right? Now? Here's oneyou did with Stanton Yes, bacfish and
in Flying Saucers Extraterrestrial Contact. Whatis this one about? I wrote that
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book along with three other members ofthe ERT who specialized in various areas of
study, but I was the majorauthor, and it is sort of a
handbook for experiencers who are working throughtheir events. It provides a great deal
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of information. I wrote about thevariety of different types of experiences and use
several of the cases that I've investigatedin the book, all the way from
healing by extraterrestrials with evidence and withthe video of an ORB that entered the
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experience's body and healed his cancer afterhe asked for healing, all the way
to highly negative contact with a manin Texas where he was having events very
similar to the skin Walker ranch occurringon his airport. Oh wow, what
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percentage would you say of these experienceswould be considered a bad experience? Well,
according to our statistics, about twentypercent of the experiencers five hundred and
sixteen who protect diicipated said that theyhad a bad experience. About twenty percent
had a highly positive experience and theother sixty percent said that their experience was
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sort of neutral, it was businesslike that. Yeah, there's some kind
of a perception that seems to pervadethe public, thinking that almost every experience
is negative, but that the factsdon't show that. The data doesn't show
that, does it. The datadoes not show it, But those people
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who have had negative experiences speak veryloudly about it. And so I wrote
about that in the book, andI included suggestions for people who would like
for their experiences to stop to use. And I also wrote about vibrational frequency,
about these interdimensional negative entities that canenter your environment and what to do
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about that as well. So there'sa tremendous amount of information in the book,
including angels and demons and the paranormaland becoming more psychic, all sorts
of information. Awesome. Well,we're going to take a short break and
when we come back, we're goingto talk about your brand new book.
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Well, be back right after thesemessages a UFO conference enthusiasts, We've got
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UFO Day, and it mentioned gis being held in the UFO capital of
Kansas, Genesea, on July sixth. This is a fun festival in the
middle of nowhere. There will bea parade, decorated yards, costumes,
vendors, speakers, and a showingof the movie The Day That We Stood
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Plateau will be dedicated. This willbe the only museum in the US with
these custom made statues. If you'dlike to donate to the statue project or
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Hi, everyone, We're back withthe next news. I'm your host,
Margie k and this evening, weare speaking with the one and only Kathleen
Martin. Let's get her back here, raises messin with me. Oh guys,
So Kathleen, your latest project,of course, is this book.
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This is the second edition. Whatis this about? This is about my
life, my personal experiences with theparanormal and my life's work, actually the
studies that I've worked on, theresearch that I've done, and the unorthodox
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research that I took part in,because I believe that I had come to
the point where I had learned asmuch as I could learn through investigation and
research, and I felt like Iwas stagnating like I was just walking on
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a treadmill, and I wanted toknow more, but I knew that the
work that I was going to embarkon was unorthodox and unacceptable to most eufologists,
and so I thought that I woulddo this only if it would be
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as scientific as it could possibly be, that we could use scientific instruments in
the presence of a man who wascommunicating with extraterrestrials. And I thought that
I would never ever mention this toanyone. And the only reason I took
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part in it is that the granddaughterof a Navy rear admiral gave me his
archival record, his correspondence files withWilbert Smith from the Canadian government. And
Wilbert Smith has an archive in Canada, but he was the UFO guy for
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the Canadian government. He was thehead of Project Magnet and Project Second Story.
And as I was reading through theseletters, they spoke about an experiment
they were working on with a womanwho was communicating with alleged extraterrestrials, and
they were meeting with her, theywere recording apparently what she said, and
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they were learning how to connect withthese ets themselves, and it was all
a scientific experiment where they were attemptingto find evidence that this was real,
and they did find that evidence,but it was part of a massive cover
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up. I even had the FBIreport from that that Grant Cameron had acquired
through the Freedom of Information Act.So lots of evidence in this case but
frowned upon. But when I tookpart in this experiment, met with Kevin
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Briggs. He was a man fromFlorida, originally from the UK, and
he had been a police officer afterhe was a lab technician there at the
university. His wife worked in thepsychology department. She was a professor or
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a teacher there and had other responsibilities. She had publications. And I met
both of them because they both livefairly close to me, and Kevin made
that proposal to me. After Imet him, I interviewed him. I
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hypnotized him about an experience that hehad as a child back in the UK,
and I found him to be verydown to earth and credible, and
so I invited these other researchers,Denise Stoner and Melanie Boughton Bragg, to
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participate in this study. And wehad met with Kevin, we'd had discussions
with him and he'd sent me agreat deal of scientific information that I sent
to scientists. So we did meet. We were able to acquire evidence,
and we asked questions. I haveone hundred and twenty in the book,
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and our questions their answers, andit is just amazing. Their answers were
so compelling and the evidence we receivedwas so compelling that I just had to
write about it, despite what itmight do to my reputation. So I
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did that, and we actually personallymade aid contact with these extraterrestrials. They
communicated with us telepathically. We couldfeel their presence in our bodies as a
very strong tingling sensation. They walkedinto our environment. They were also present
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in Kevin's environment during our monthly meetingsfor two solid years, and after a
year we increased the number of peoplewho were there and added to skeptics as
well. So it was I thinkit was an extraordinarily interesting study with a
lot of evidence, but a lotof information about these non humans as well.
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And they said that they were herepeacefully and they had been here since
the beginning of time to monitor ourprogress and to assist in our development.
They said that our scientific progress isout of sync with our spiritual level,
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and this happens, it can leadto the destruction of life on the planet.
And so they were highly concerned aboutour use of nuclear weapons and also
about our failure to be good stewardsto our environment. And those were messages
that they gave to Admiral Knowles andWilbert Smith way back in nineteen fifty four.
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Yes, and that the theme thatyou're talking about with these messages started
really in the fifties and maybe evenforties with people who were contact these like
Georgia Dampski, Buck Nelson, FrankStrange's that who talked about this and having
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telepathic contact but also in person contactat times. Most of it was telepathic
after there was an initial introduction andand some people had ongoing events and some
people still do today. I infact, have contact with Valiant Thor on
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a regular basis. And so aboutwhat you've done is taken this to another
level. You've taken this to amore scientific study with proof, with evidence,
and with multiple people involved, ratherthan just one person telling everybody else,
Hey, I had this contact andthis is what the person's and you
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know, this is the message.So I really appreciate what you've done,
because you've vindicated a lot of usby doing so. And I don't think
you have any problem as far asyour reputation is concerned. The people who
don't believe it or who are skepticshave not studied it. They don't understand
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it. It's like Stanton Friedman usedto say that, you know, the
noisy negativists, and why you knowsomething? Like why study something? I
just decided that's impossible. So yeah, just forget about those people. I
ignore those people. Yeah, yeah, that's all you can do because they're
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hopeless. Yeah. So thank youfor doing that. That that is amazing.
That's amazing that you spent so muchtime on it and you and your
team, uh and and just youknow, thank you for making that public.
I can't wait to read the entirebook. I'm about a quarter of
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the way through it. So wherecan people get your books? You can
order autographed copies for my website atKathleen Dashmartin dot com. That book is
available on Amazon as soft cover I'mnot sure if it's a hardcover yet or
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not, and also as an ebook. So all of my books are
available. Most of my books thatwere professionally published by New Page Books or
Moufon Publishing. Are also available onBarnes and Noble. Okay, wonderful,
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and we'll mention that again before theend of the show today. But now
I'd like to go to something thatyou told me a few years ago.
And I was doing a remote viewingsession and I saw that you were involved
in having personal et experiences, notjust your aunt an uncle, well us
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talking about that. You saw thatcorrectly. I really don't enjoy talking about
it very much because when I washaving those experiences, I was very frightened
and it was traumatic. But Imay have had experiences from the time I
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was a young child, but thatwas information produced under hypnosis without conscious recall
of it, and the psychological studieson hypnosis academic studies indicate that that's not
always reliable. But my conscious recallof an event occurred when I was seventeen
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years old, when my aunt Bettywas working on a scientific experiment to call
in craft they called it a psychophysicsexperiment to team of scientists who would give
her a script that she was toread to try to send telepathic messages to
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these etis on a nightly basis,and they would instruct these ET's of where
they should go to show their craft, asking them to land. Et Ce
Betty was asking them to land onmy grandparents farm. I grew up across
the street from my grandparents' farm,and one did land on their farm,
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two hundred feet from my childhood athome. It left physical trace evidence on
the ground. It was investigated,but my mother and I never mentioned that
we were taken that night. Wewere taken to craft. I found it
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terrifying. It changed me in somany ways. I no longer trusted my
mother. I thought that she wasinvolved in this. I tried to simply
explain it to myself as that mymother had assembled a medical team in our
home that night to do some kindof surgery on me, which makes no
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sense whatsoever. That was the mindtrying to make logic out of it.
It was it was my teenage mindtrying to make logic out of it,
trying to find any other explanation exceptfor the only explanation that fit when you
reduce it to the simplest possible explanation, considering the witnesses and the physical trace
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evidence on the ground, and thememories that my mother and I had,
and so I agreed with my mother, with my aunt Betty not to speak
about this publicly. And I onlyspoke about it publicly when I no longer
cared what people bought. And thatwas maybe five years ago, maybe a
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bit longer than that at UFO conferences. But yes, throughout my lifetime,
periodically, I have had contact withwhat we think of as gray aliens,
the type that took my aunt anduncle. So I'm an intergenerational contact or
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experiencer. And they told me thatthey were taking samples, tissue samples from
my body to test my body fortoxicity. I didn't know it at the
time, but I lived just downstreamand within probably a half mile as a
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crow flies from a toxic waste dumpthat became I'm a federally funded super Fund
project. Also, PE's Air ForceBase, a nuclear base, was only
twenty miles from my home, aswas the Portsmouth Naval Shipyard where nuclear submarines
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were being launched and built. Wasthis experience you had after Betty and Barney
had been abducted. Yes, Iwas thirteen when they were abducted. My
first conscious recall of abduction was whenI was seventeen. Did that event at
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age seventeen change your perspective on theworld. It absolutely did. Immediately,
I was not as felt that Iwas not as safe for is as comfortable
as I had been. I wasextraordinarily fearful. I turned within, and
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that wasn't good. I internalized myfeelings because I couldn't express them without fear
of retribution as Betty happened to myaunt Betty and my uncle Barney. So
it was many years before I startedto process this, and I spoke to
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John Mac. I spoke to BudHopkins. He hypnotized me. I spoke
to John Carpenter and a number ofdifferent researchers who worked with experiencers, and
Denise Stoner finally hypnotized me and Iwent to her support group. It was
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the first support group I had everfound that I could attend, and it
changed. It made an enormous changein me. I came to view everything
differently and came to accept my experiencesas not being something terrible that was being
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done to me, but something thatI was being treated well at doing.
The hypnosis made me realize that theywere projecting love toward me, that they
were attempting to elevate my vibrational frequencythat they were giving me information, and
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you know, all of that wasimportant and helped me to recover from the
trauma. I still do carry alittle trauma. I think I probably always
will, just because when they comeinto your environment and you're not expecting it
and you remember it and they're suddenlythere and there's nothing you can do,
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You're paralyzed, you're tingling all over. It's extraordinarily frightening. You have that
fight or flight response. And eventuallyI use self hypnosis and gave myself a
key word that I could say thatwould put me into a deep trance.
And that's what I used in orderto project love toward them when they came
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into my environment. Because I wasawake so often when they came in,
I wasn't able to sleep out offear that they were coming. A lot
of people do that. A lotof people stay up at night if they
sense that they're coming. I mean, I still do that even today.
I'll I'll be up until three orfour o'clock until I feel like that the
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witching hour is over. It's likethe witching hour for UFO is three am.
It seems to be and then ifI look at the clock and it's
three thirty three, that's when I'vebeen taken and back That's when I'm back
home. And that happens to alot of abductees. Have you found that
Yes, I found that to betrue with other experiences and with me as
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well. So three thirty three am. Wow. Do you think that your
personal experiences had some influence on whatyou do now to help other abductees process
what they're going through? Absolutely?It was my personal experience with what happened
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to my aunt and uncle, andmy personal experience with not being able to
tell anyone out of fear of ridicule, of having to hide this for so
long, and my experience in investigatingscientifically or through the mutual UFO network,
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where I had to make a casedetermination, and that case determination was pretty
much based on UFO sidings, noton abductions or et contact, and so
my heart went out to experiencers.I could no longer make a case determination
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because I didn't want to hurt anybody. I mean, experiencers are already traumatized.
So many are traumatized, and tohave the additional trauma of being treated
poorly, of being as was reportedto me by many experiences being told they
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needed to see a psychiatrist, tobeing told that they were imagining all of
this by investigators who simply did notbelieve them, who didn't want to even
look at any evidence that they mighthave acquired. And in my book Extraterrestrial
Contact, I tell experiencers how tocollect their own evidence, and I started
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doing that. I started working independentlywith experiencers, just like Bud Hopkins was
doing, and developed protocols on howexperiencers can collect their own evidence. And
then when they do, they havethe physical evidence. So if they want
to make a confidential report to themutual UFO network, they can and they
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have evidence, and that's so importantit is I find it rather ironic that
some investigators will only go to acertain point. Some of them are only
want scientific evidence, landing side evidence, change in the soil, changes in
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tree around the area, some typeof physical trace evidence, and then they
discount the abduction part, which tome is amazing, since there have been
reports of this going back actually millennia, but at least since the forties.
In our modern times, that thousandsand thousands, if not millions, of
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people have had this experience, butlike you said, most of them don't
want to report for fear of whatthe reaction is going to be from,
especially their friends and family. AndI've seen many cases where people have gotten
divorced over this or they're no longerspeaking than family members because of their experience.
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And that's two. That's yeah,there you go. So having a
book like this and having the informationto use as a guide to deal with
and then collecting your own evidence,that's fantastic. I don't think anybody else
has done anything like that. No, they haven't. According to what I've
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heard, that book has been calledthe best book ever written on that topic.
Well, I believe it. Ido believe it. Kathy. You
have done so much work in thisfield. Thank you so much for your
dedication and hard work in many,many years. And I'm glad you're getting
better. But and I'm looking forwardto seeing you at more of the conferences.
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What's new and coming up for you? Well? This year, I
am not going to speak at anyconferences because of the effects of lun term
COVID, but I'm hoping to Nextyear, however, I will be at
the Muffon Symposium in Irving, Texas. Right near the Dallas Airport, where
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there's a free shuttle from the airportto the hotel. You can go to
moufon dot com for all the informationto register for the conference. There are
going to be great speakers. I'mlooking forward to being an attendee and listening
to all of the speakers. Andon Sunday morning, I'm going to host
a very small group of about thirtyexperiencers, a little discussion group where people
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can talk about their experiences confidentially.Anything said in the room is to remain
in the room and not be takenoutside the room. So that is a
special event that you have to payextra four. I don't get paid,
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but it goes to the mutual UFOnetwork. And it's important to support Moufon's
work. And you also have anew study coming up, don't you.
I do have a new study.You'll find it on my website. I'm
doing this study with doctor Melanie BartonBragg, who is an ordained minister and
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a psychotherapist, a good friend ofmine actually, and this is a study
that anyone can take part in.Just go to my website and look up
the Martin Stoner commoneal Our study onExtraterrestrial Life and Belief, religious belief.
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You'll find it on the website atthe top on the menu, and please
take that. Anyone can take it. It won't take you long. If
you've never seen a UFO, thereare only twenty five questions. If you
have, or you've been taken tocraft or seen entities of any kind,
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then there are only fifty questions total. It's very quick to take, and
we really appreciate everyone's input, butplease take it only one time. Okay,
what everybody who's watching this show rightnow, go to Kathy's website and
take that. And it's Kathleen Dashmartindot com. Correct, that is correct.
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Okay, Well, thank you somuch for joining me this evening,
and I know we will see eachother soon. I'm probably in Texas.
I'm looking forward to it, allright. Well, thank you everybody for
joining me this evening, and we'llsee you here again next week
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