June 29, 2024 • 57 mins
Marilyn A. Hudson, writer and researcher, is the author of several books on the UFO/UAP Phenomenon. Having had her own "high strangeness" events in her youth, she began serious research to validate her experiences. The results include Sooner Saucers: 1947-1968, Oklahoma UFOs; Sooner Saucers: Vol. 2; 1947: Those Saucy Saucers, Encounter in Kansas (her own experience and the journey to find answers) and Sunflower saucers: Some Kansas UFOs. She is currently a member of MUFON and a Field Investigator with Oklahoma MUFON. Professionally, she is a retired Library professional and administrator. Book 1 Description: Oklahoma - the Sooner State - has been witness to numerous strange and unusual events over its history and that include things zipping across its skies and landing on its soil. Author Marilyn A. Hudson serves as tour guide to a collection of the assorted events that had people looking up to search the skies from 1947 to 1969. Drawn from government records, newspapers, personal accounts and local legends she shares what people saw, what some said the objects were, and provides some information and questions along the way. Today, as 'Unidentified Aerial Phenomena" are becoming newsworthy and the term is replacing the well-worn "Flying Saucers" and "UFOs" of the past, take a trip to see what was going on over Oklahoma skies...You might be surprised. Marilyn A. Hudson, is an Oklahoma researcher, author, and storyteller who has written both fiction and nonfiction. -- Web: Marilyn A. Hudson - Author (marilynahudsonauthor.blogspot.com) Web: Amazon.com: Marilyn A. Hudson: Books, Biography, Blog, Audiobooks, Kindle -- Be sure to subscribe to the Un-X Network so you don't miss a show! Join the X at www.unxnetwork.com with a free or paid subscription.
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It's time for the UNEX News News. Extraterrestrials, time anomalies, dimension dimensions,
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Good evening, everyone, and welcometo UNEX News. I'm your host,
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Margie K. And this evening,we have another good show for you.
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My guest for this evening is MarilynA. Hudson. She is a retired
library professional and administrator. She's awriter and researcher and author of several books
on a UFO UAP phenomenon. She'sa member of move On and a field
investigator with Oklahoma Movefon and I knowOklahoma is very busy, So welcome to
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the program, Maryland. Thank youvery much. I'm glad to be here.
Well, I'm so glad you couldjoin me this evening. Our listeners
may not know that you've got acouple of articles in an ex magazine and
one of them's coming out this month, July first, and it is about
some of the best documentary films.So you did a really good job.
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If anybody is wondering what to watch, check that article out. Thank you,
Thanks so well, Marilyn. Howdid you get interested in UFOs?
Well, I used to always justsay that it was something that always interested
me. That the secret was thatI actually had had some experiences when I
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was a child, and I kindof kept those to myself because where I
grew up in Kansas, you didn'tmention doing anything out of the ordinary.
Oh okay, well, I likeeveryone else, I didn't want to be
labeled as being that person, andthere was a part of me that just,
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you know, wanted to not talkabout it. But over the years,
the things just kept staying. Ihad what I called amber memories.
They were little memories. They werelike encapsulated episodes of some scene, some
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action, some event, and theynever changed. It was always just like
it was frozen in a hunk ofamber and it would just keep coming back,
keep coming back. They never hada beginning, they never had an
end. It was always just thatmoment in time, forever frozen and so
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I wondered, was I going crazy? You know? Did lunacy run in
my family? So finally what Igot to be, oh a more mature
individuals, shall we say. Idecided that if this thing had really happened,
that there should be some ways tofind out. Somebody else must have
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seen something, And so I beganto look at where I lived, the
time period, the events, andone thing after another, just it began
to build, and I found thatthere was some apparent support for the events
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that I had remembered, and Iwas able to support that with some research
that I'd found. And along theway I heard these people say, oh,
nothing ever happens in Oklahoma. Wrong. But so I said, well,
let's just take a look at that. And so I began to look
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through the online files of Project BlueBook, looking first just at Oklahoma.
That was my new adopted state.So I was really interested to see,
well, what has happened? AndI began to just make a note of
all the incidences, all the stories, all the events, and before you
know it, I had just allthis stuff and I said, I just
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need to put it in a book, and so I put it in Sooner
Saucers nineteen forty seven to nineteen sixtynine Oklahoma UFOs. And so that was
the first UFO work that I did, and it was so well received that
I began to put together a secondvolume. And for that one, I
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was lucky enough. I had eightor nine people that contacted me with stories.
I've never shared this with anybody before. Can I share this in my
book? Yeah, don't use myname, but you can share that story.
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And so I've got some, youknow, some wonderful, firsthand,
never before shared stories in the secondvolume that's called Unimaginatively, Unimaginatively Sooner Saucers
Volume two. Well it works.I love the Sooner Saucers. That's that's
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that's very clever. And now inMighty in Muffon knows that Oklahoma is a
hotspot for UFOs. That's right,But the general probablic probably doesn't know that.
No, No, there there isa growing number of people that are
aware and they're listening with a littlebit more willing ear to stories and stories
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that people say that they had experiencestwenty thirty, forty years ago. So
slowly but surely, the there isa new atmosphere and tenor that's being seen.
But there's still a lot of people. Uh yeah. Uh. One
of the things the recent uh informationcoming out of the government, the Pentagon
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really seeing uh yeah, there arethings out there we don't know, we
can't explain it. Do you thinkthat that has anything to do with people's
willingness to speak up on the topicnow, I think it has everything to
do with it. I think thatthe the h the ridicule and the denigration
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that people who experienced in the pastwhenever they talked about that kind of situation,
was that they looked to the governmentto give them a clue as to
how they should treat and respond tothose statements. And so when the government
said, oh, well, they'vejust been drinking, or you know,
hoaxers or you know, there's prankstersall around, you know, are they
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they just can't tell it cloud froman airplane. So I think that we've
always looked to the government, We'vealways looked to the news to tell us
how we should view certain subjects.And so as a result of that,
what's happened is that as the governmentnow has begun to say we think that
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we should looking seriously at these topics, at these subjects, that's being heard
and people are responding to that.There's not the automatic jokes that there were
twenty thirty years ago. There's thehonest well, you know, I don't
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know, I don't know what itwas we saw, but there was something.
There's a lot more of believability.People are being trusted a little bit
more to actually be telling the truthrather than just making up a tall tale.
Have you ever had somebody say toyou, no, I've never seen,
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never seen a UFO, but therewas this one time. Yeah,
going to a fault description of ayou know, UFO classic close encounter.
Uh, but yeah, exactly,exactly. Yeah. I've heard that numerous
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times, numerous times, and I'vehad I've had people sidle up to me
at festivals and events and places whereI've spoken or something like that, and
they say, I don't really believein UFOs or little Green men, but
I saw something one time. Andyou know, so they're they're at least
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becoming a little bit more willing toshare some stories as well. That the
the last fifty years have trained usvery well. Yes, yes, indeed,
let's go back to your own experiencesfor a minute. Can you dig
a little deeper into that, giveus some more detail. Sure, I
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had three or four significant amber memories. The very first one that I can
remember is I was sitting in myliving room on the floor in front of
these windows. This night. Wewere getting ready to watch our favorite show,
which probably was gun Smoke. Myfather loved that, and so I
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was sitting on the floor, justcoloring away, and I looked up into
the window that was just right besidethe floor there, and there was this
face looking in at me, andit was very pale, very quiet,
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didn't have any hair. All Icould seem was just this pale face and
it looked at me and it hadit seemed like very large eyes, but
a lot of the face was alittle bit in shadow. And the first
thing I thought, really was thatit was probably one of my brothers or
something, you know, playing atrick. But about that time I hear
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my father and my brother's coming inthe back door, so it wasn't them.
And when I turned my face backaround to the window, the face
is gone. Now. The nextmajor little memory that I have is of
me walking home down our street ina late gray fall type of afternoon.
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The leaves were wet, the barkwas black with damp, and the leaves
were kind of yellow and gold andthe brightest thing in the image with this
overcast early fall day. And thesetwo people are following me and I cannot
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get away. They're not moving likenormal people. They have very fluid,
wavy kind of motions with their handsas they're following after me, and I'm
like, I'm in molasses. Ican't seem to move, and I know
that I need to get just afew few more hundred feet and there's my
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house and I can go in andit'll be safe. That that's it,
just that moment to the next moment, and that's where the memory ends.
Now the next summer, I amriding my bike down this killer Keybone street
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and I have been warned not toride my bike, but I'm riding my
bike and it hits the curb andI bounce into this ten foot chain link
fence. And as I'm peeling myselfoff of the fence and I'm sitting there
in the ground by my bike andtrying to pull myself together, I see
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I have this scar on the backof my leg, just above my knee,
and it looks really strange. Achild at school had had a had
stitches, and it looked like thatsame kind of healing wound, but it
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had only like about four dots,two on one side, two on the
other, at different ends of theincision. I might say. I was
curious, So what happened? Iran home and I asked my mother.
I asked my father. I askedmy brothers, asked my sisters, my
aunts, my uncles, my teachers, anybody. When did I get hurt
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there and have to have stitches?And nobody. I was never hurt.
I never had stitches until four orfive years later. Strange. Wow.
The next thing that happened was Iremembered that we heard something outside, and
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my entire family, my brothers whowere older teens, went out the screen
door into the backyard. In thebackyard was bathed in this red light.
And I'm edging my way through,you know, jean clad legs, and
trying to get through so I cansee something. And I get out there
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in front, and everybody has stoppedand they're staring straight up, and there's
this huge round circle of light thatthe center of it is this hot yellow
white tone, and around the edgesis this red yellow orange combination of lottery
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and the entire area for about ohten fifteen foot radius is bathed in this
hot, yellow, reddish tinged light, and everything around it is just dark,
and nobody is saying anything, andI look up at everybody and there
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they're just they're just like frozen andlooking up there. And I look up
then, and that's all that Iremember. The final episode, the least,
the final episode that I know of, is about a year later.
It's about I think it was aboutnineteen sixty five, perhaps sixty six,
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And I have two photos that showthat my father and my mother and I
had driven out to the local lake. It was probably about April, still
cold enough to wear a sweater,and there is a picture that shows my
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father or myself pointing up at somethingin the sky and my father just standing
there just kind of looking at melike child. Nobody can remember us going
to the lake. But what Iremember is I remember walking down this sandy
road there at the lake with thetall trees on either side, see the
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lake in the distance, and itfelt like they had put a clear bowl
over everything. It was like therewas no sound nothing, no sounds,
no wind, no birds, noinsects. I couldn't even hear my feet
walking through that sandy road, andthere were people in cars, and some
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of the people were half in andhalf out of their car, but they
were frozen. WHOA. It waslike it was like I was walking through
a tableau of mannequins. And noone can remember us even going to the
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lake that day. I've you know, showed them the pictures and I was
like, okay, tell me aboutthis day. I don't remember that.
Nobody could remember going to the lakethat day, even though I could remember
that we're gone because my mother wasgoing to check about buying some chickens from
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a lady who lived out that direction, and so we thought, well,
we're out there, we'll just goaround the lake. But nobody else could
remember that. No. Those arethe things I just kind of put put
under my hat and wondered whether Iwas going crazy, whether you know,
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there was insanity in my family,which luckily I don't haven't found any yet.
But when I began to search,I thought, Okay, if these
things actually happened, if there wassomething that went on in my community during
those time periods, in those generalyears, surely someone else would have noticed,
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someone else would have reported something somebodyelse would know what would have happened,
And so I began to search,and sure enough, I found that
there were several episodes during that twoor three year period in my hometown,
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in my home county, in thatregion of my state of Kansas, where
police, military weather radar witnesses leftand right saw objects red glowing objects,
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things that moved and did not makesense, and you know, moved in
strange directions. And then I foundan undocumented story from a woman who was
probably about my age, and shehad lived in the Bartlesville Oclhore Home area,
and she had reported on one ofthe databases, you know, bulletin
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board kinds of things that she'd hadan encountered about. She thought it was
sixty five, There was a UFO, she thought there was an alien,
she thought maybe there was an abduction. There was definitely some missing time,
and I thought she could be talkingabout me. I've searched, and I've
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asked people if they know of anybodywho had such a story, but I've
yet to find them. So ifthere's anybody out there, if you're that
person, please contact me, becauseI would love to compare some notes about
what had happened. And what theexperience did to you. How can people
contact you Maryland? I have awonderful website called the UFO. I'll just
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go ahead. Here's my email address. I'm going to live dangerously Marilyn A.
Hudson at yahoo dot com. Can'tget much easier than that. Okay,
perfect? So anybody in Oklahoma orKansas please right. So we're talking
about the time period of nineteen sixtyfive to sixty five. Okay, what
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county is that? Sumner Sumner County? Okay? Yeah. I found stories
out of Wichita, which is justSedgwick County just to the north, and
Cowley County to the east and thento the west. Also, there were
many instances and reports of sightings inthat time period. Have you ever been
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regressed or hypnotized to try to No? I never have. Is that something
that you're interested in doing? Iwouldn't be adverse to it. Get to
the bottom of something and you know, find out, Am I really crazy?
Or Uh? Yeah? I've hadseveral regressions and I was able to
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get more information during each one.So uh but some people aren't ready for
it. You strike me as aperson who could handle it. Uh,
But some people really don't want toknow, and they're not ready to learn
the truth about everything because it's soforeign and alien, no pun intended.
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It's a it's a shock to thesystem. Yeah, yeah, I did.
I did a story program one timewhere I shared some of these stories
and everything for a local library,and I called it a UFO kitchen release
program. I was and release.Yeah, Well, you know that it's
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pretty much true what they do.That's what they do. What are some
of the other interesting stories out ofKansas or Oklahoma that you'd like to share
with us tonight. Well, there'sa fascinating story out of Kansas. Kansas
actually has a lot more stories thanI was really even aware of. My
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research has uncovered the fact that placeslike Kansas, places like Oklahoma and probably
several other states, we were receivingso much money for air bases, air
fields, training facilities, missile silos, that kind of thing that it became,
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I think, very easy for governmentleaders, city officials, state leaders.
If the government it said we won'ttalk about this, it was their
patriotic response was that they would not, And so as a result, you
grew up thinking that nobody in yourstate had any such stories to share,
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but I found that that was veryincorrect. There's a story that was actually
in Project Blue Book. They didn'tinvestigate it, but there was a clipping
of a mysterious, large, darktriangular object that landed in a field northwest
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or northeast of Wichita, which wouldhave been north and east of McConnell Air
Force Base. But it didn't landat the airbase. It landed in a
field and there was so much lightwith this object that local fire departments and
police and sheriff three different communities andthree different counties were all responding to these
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reports because they figured that something hadcrashed and they had wildfire running amok,
and so they were searching all overthese country roads trying to find where this
thing had come down. And thenfinally one young sheriff's deputy came across it
and he observed it from a distanceand it was standing he thought, ten
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feet above the ground. It seemedto have three different legs. It had
a strange blue bright blue white lightassociated with it as well as a purple
light, and it was just veryun aircraft type of report. And although
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it could have been, you know, some kind of an early stealth prototype
or something like that. Why didn'tit Lando McConnell. You know, those
are some of the questions that gounanswered. And then suddenly, about four
o'clock in the morning, that thingis gone. The police that have been
watching it don't even see it leave. According to the news article. Oh
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wow. So it's kind of oneof those things. All right, it's
in there yesterday, but you can'tfind any follow up on it. Nothing
shows up afterwards to explain what thatwas that they saw. So I've always
kind of liked that one just forthe sheer mystery that's involved with it,
But probably when it comes to Oklahoma, one of my favorite ones Yet'll tell
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And we're back. This is AnnexNews and I'm your host, Margie K.
I am speaking with Marilyn Hudson thisevening, and she basically, but
Maryland, do you stick with Kansasand Oklahoma as far as UFO study goes?
So far, that's been the primaryfocus. I do have growing files
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and interests in many other states becauseone of my theories is that we need
to look not just at the particularstate. Project blue Book made that mistake.
Everything was very localized, that thesethings had to come from somewhere,
they had to go to somewhere,And so if you're wanting to try and
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really track what was happening, youhave to be able to cross state lines,
to ignore those state lines and seewhere it was that they might have
been heading and what people in thoseother areas might have reported. Yeah,
and I know you're a move onfield investigator, so am I. And
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we often find that UFOs don't reallyknow what state lines are, and we're
able to track them across not onlyfrom sightings, but but now from the
Made Our units. Do you doyou have made our units in Oklahoma?
We have a few. We're justreally kind of getting our toes in that
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water, and I'm really looking forwardto what will happen when there's far more
of those around and uh, Ithink it's going to be some fascinating data.
Oh yeah, it just adds onemore piece of evidence, especially with
We've had a number of sightings inMissouri that I know for sure that have
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matched up with Made Our units,either showing readings that are off the scale
or in one case, there wasa sighting that was local and my unit
shut down, which was very unusual. Yeah, and then a couple of
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other units picked it up as itwent across the state. So yeah,
that's just another tool that we canuse to track UFOs and show as evidence
since they the MADAR only picks upUFOs, doesn't pick up anything else.
I think it's fascinating. So whatare some of the other usual cases you
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were getting ready to share one withus before the break. Yeah, there's
a favorite one that I like aboutnineteen sixty six, there were three cadets
with the Civilian Air Control. Theywere finishing up some of their training and
they reported something that they had seen. Now, the Project Bluebook file took
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their report, took their statement,concluded they had seen an airplane disappearing into
the sky. But when you actuallylook at the witness statement that is there
the witness who answered the form drewa picture of what they had seen,
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and what they had seen was,yes, they saw some red lights that
were moving in the sky check couldbe an airplane, but they saw those
red lights disappear into this large blackpaddle shaped space of nothing high in the
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sky that blocked out the stars beyondit. And the shape was very much
like a hot water bottle or wellof those cutting board paddles that you might
see rounded corners, big rectangle withthis kind of an opening area that stuck
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out just a little bit, andthat's where the red lights disappeared into.
But that gets hidden because nobody gotto see those parts of those files.
They only usually got to see thatconclusion on the front page. And so
the conclusion was they nothing to seehere. They just saw some an airplane
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and misidentified it, but no explanationfor what it was that blacked out the
sky for such a wide area,and that the objects that disappeared into So
to me, that's what I reallylike. That's what I really like.
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Now one of the stories that someoneshared with me. Sometimes you kind of
feel like a spy, you know, working undercover. You know, yes,
I promise I won't use your namewith this fellow. After some discussion
and sharing, he finally agreed tolet me share his story. And it
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was about twenty seventeen north west ornortheast Oklahoma, in the area of Osage
County near Homony. Holmony is anarea. He was driving home, as
was his president, and he wouldstop once he'd crossed the main highway.
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He was about halfway home, andhe'd always stop this way. Oh you're
cutting out Maryland. I can't figureout exactly why. Okay, Oh there
we go. We got you there. Okay. So he began to get
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out of his truck look at thenight sky like he always liked to do,
and he smoked a cigarette before hegot home, and he couldn't smoke
at home. So he's looking upat that night sky and he is just
enjoying the beautiful view, and suddenlyhe sees this big, glowing square object
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that is coming toward him, andit's fairly low, and that was what
struck him. It was like amattress flying through the air. It was,
you know, that kind of shape, coming at him with a slight
glow. And so as it's passingoverhead, it is close enough he can
actually see it has a sort ofa pebble type finish to it, and
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he sees this thing crawling around onthe outside of it that looked very insect
like, and that scared him todeath. And it was very large,
he said, probably it was asbig as you know, a man or
a woman. And it scared himso much he jumped in his car,
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locked his doors, and got outof there, well like the proverbial bat
out of you know where, andhe's never gone back since. Well I
don't blame him, but that conceptof seeing something insect light crawling over the
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exterior part of this object that setchills up my back when I heard it,
so I could imagine what it didto him to actually see this.
So I've always thought that one wasa very very interesting one that I had
never really heard one quite that,you know, nothing crawling over the outside
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of something. But I have onecase, one such case out of all
of them, so yeah, that'spretty rare. Yeah, so that was
really starting. Now. The otherone that I really love is one that's
actually from here in the community whereI live here in Straduglaholma. In nineteen
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fifty nine, there was she wasa young girl at the time, she
was only about twelve, I think, she said, and she her father
loved the outdoors and so they'd beendoing picnics and camping all year, and
she had fallen in love with theconcept of lightning bugs. And so here
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it was it was early October,and so it was a beautiful, beautiful
evening, and so she decided togo outside to see if there were any
lightning bugs still around. And soshe stepped outside, and when she did,
she was enjoying the sky and shelooked up. She was thinking about,
maybe, well, I could getmy telescope and I could come out
here and I could look at thestars. And so she's looking up at
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this beautyautiful blue sky that's still justa little blue starting to darken. She
sees these lights coming from the northeast. They're balls of light, and each
one of them is like a pastelcolor, and it's edged around with this
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kind of a glistering, glittering,iridescent type of tone. And so she
sees them come in. There's apink one, a blue, and a
green color, and following far theend is this white one. Now,
the colored spheres all come up andthey begin to go into a circle,
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and she said she was reminded ofa ride at the carnival, and she'd
look up at the sky and shesaw those orbs just going around in a
circle, and she was so amazed. She thought they were just so beautiful.
And her peripheral vision, she's seeingthat there are other people that are
stepping outside too. They're also comingout and there, you know, she
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says, everybody was getting into themiddle of the street and looking up at
the sky to see these orbs dancingin this pinwheel in the sky. And
that yet that white one now hasarrived butts right between them and gets into
the center of those other glowing orbs, and they begin to just dance around
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that white one, and then dothat for a few minutes, and everybody
is going, what what what andthat white one moves out of position and
begins to head toward the south east, and following behind, just like dominoes,
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are the other colored orbs moving rightbehind that lead one away into the
distance. Oh wow. Now herfather was a city manager at the time.
So the next day he's on thephone to the military, the police,
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everything everybody even think of to tryand find out what did we see.
He never received any responses to hisphone calls ever. Oh well,
but she remembered, she remembered thoselights. And I've found two other people
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that also had remembered those lights,but nobody was willing to give me their
name or anything like that, soit's still anecdotal to that point. But
it was a fascinating, fascinating story. Well, I would say there's been
a lot of sightings that are similarto that. We've had some big sightings
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in the Kansas City area that involvedmultiple witness and these balls of light coming
out of in one case, treesa tree line off of a major highway
ear and one person started counting them. He counted one hundred and twenty five.
And they would go along a pathfor about a mile and then go
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straight up into the sky in theexact same place. Wow. That was
a big way. It made thenews, and I always think that was
so fascinating because that was nineteen fiftynine. Wow, And it could have
come from any video that's being youknow, out there shared today of people
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seeing those strange globes moving around anddoing strange things. Do you think that
there are more sightings today than thereused to be in the fifties and sixties,
or are more people coming forward andreporting. I think it's just more
people are coming forward and reporting.I suspect because of the fact that every
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time I've looked into anything, there'salways somebody else that saw something, Always
somebody else that is mentioned, butthere's never any reports for those other people.
Quite often the newspaper articles will talkabout all the numerous people that may
name several of them, but there'sno file or report produced by any of
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those individuals that like Project Movebook lookedinto or anything like that. So I
think that probably just the way itis today. If somebody sees something,
the chances are real good they're goingto say. I'm not going to say
a thing. I'm keeping that tomyself. I don't want anybody to think
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that I'm crazy. I don't wantto be laughed at, I don't want
to be ridiculed. I'll just keepit to myself. And so I think
that, you know, I've encounteredover and over again when I'm talking about
this subject, when I'm sharing apresentation or something like that, there's always
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always two or three people there thatcan say, yeah, I've seen something
like that, never shared it,never told anybody about it at the time.
So I think that I think thatprobably if we'd actually been trying to
collect data of people who actually hadseen things in a more scientific manner than
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what we did in the fifties andsixties, we probably have a different attitude
or view to what is going ontoday. That we chose to not go
that route for a variety of reasonsof you know, political and national security
and other things. But I thinkthat probably people have been seeing the same
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things, and you've always got justthat section of people that if you tied
them up and poked them with ahot stick, they would not tell you
that they had seen any such thingeven though they had. So I think
that there's those people. The selfpreservation is very strong with them, and
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so they do not want to makethemselves vulnerable enough to share what they saw.
In doing your investigations and talking todifferent people, or let's say,
even at when you're doing a talk, do people ever come up and say
they had forgotten completely about an eventthat occurred and then something triggered their memory
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and they remembered a UAP. Yes, yes, I've had that happen two
times. One gentleman, I wastalking talking about the some of the stories
I'd collected about UFOs that were seenover the turnpikes in Oklahoma. Police worker,
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you know, turnpike authority workers,truckers, that kind of stuff,
had all reported these kinds of things. And when I was talking about that,
and I was I was sharing withthem the shape that they had seen
and how it just had been amassive object that they had witnessed. And
I had gentlemen say, well,you know, I saw something like that.
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I didn't think it. I thought, well, I didn't know what
I thought, but I saw somethingthat did that exact same thing. I
must have seen a UFO, Andit was like a the oh c.
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It took that long for it tokind of sink in that that's maybe what
had happened is that he had seen, not just the strange cloud of darkness
that he'd seen, actually a largeblack, non reflective u UFO, UAP
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whatever you want to call it,and the light bulb went on at that
point. Yeah. Yeah, I'verun into quite a few people that have
something that triggers the memory and theyit's happened to me too. I mean
I recently had something that triggered amemory from when I was seventeen years old.
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Then the whole family saw and nowhe completely wiped it out of my
mind. It was just gone.And who knows why that happens. You
know, maybe it's a self preservationthing. You just kind of block it.
Your mind blocks it for you,maybe because you were freaking out at
the time. Have you noticed I'mcurious. Are city people more likely to
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discuss UFO sightings than rural people?I think I think it really depends.
There are some having lived in bothOklahoma City and smaller communities of the If
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you get the locals in a smallercommunity to trust you, they will share
with you. If you run acrosspeople in a larger community who have the
same kind of story, they willshare with you. But you also will
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have quite a few more people thatare just okay, they're controlled by the
larger group that they're with, sothey're under peer pressure. They may oh,
yeah, I believe in that.Yeah, but you can tell they
don't. Whereas that there's also thoseindividuals that you can sense something going across
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their face when you discuss the subjectthat you know that they'd really love to
have the opportunity to say something andshare something that they're being held back by
their peer group or the lack oftrust in whatever the situation is. So
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I think you know, it canhappen in either group, large city people,
smaller community people. Both of themhave shared some really phenomenal stories,
and some of them have also saidno, I'll never sh or that I'll
never talk about that never. Soit just depends on the person and the
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moment. Well, let's talk aboutyour books. You've got several. So
was this your first book that wasthe first book on UFOs. I've written
other books prior to that on othersubjects, but this is the first UFO
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themed book, and it was partof that whole process of uncovering you know,
my past, I think is what'shere? Okay, so that's sooner
Saucers nineteen forty seven and nineteen sixtynine. And I just noticed a little
et standard on the roof there onyour cover. That's pretty cool. And
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then Sooner Saucers volume two, andI've got this picture Encounters Encountering. Now
that's basically my story of events inKansas that I struggled to uncover and remember
and recall. So that's me justputting it off there. Okay, did
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I miss anything? There are two, there are three others. One of
the things one of the problems thatI found when I was doing research was
that quite often the books that youread, they would lump all these different
sightings together. When they happened,you had to really search. And so
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I decided that I would put togethera chronology of nineteen forty seven because that
was kind of where I started,because I think it's important to see where
and when things happened and what theresponse was to those events. And when
you see that, you begin tosee, yeah, they didn't really know
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what was going on, and therereally are you know, the little eggs
are moving like pistons, trying tokeep up and get ahead of this issue,
and that gets lost when everything getsjumbled around, and so the chronology
follows a kind of a January throughDecember of nineteen forty seven. And the
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title Those Saucy Saucers that it's aquote from the general who was in charge
of the Tinker Air Force Base innineteen forty seven. Oh, he was
He was asked a newsman had askedhim, well, has the Tinker Airfield
had any flying Sorcier problems or anythinglike that, you know, and he
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off the cuff he shot off that, you don't know, we haven't had
any of those saucy saucers stop herefor any maintenance of their saucers. Oh
that's funny. So I decided thatdeserve to just be remembered and you know,
placed into that title. So it'snineteen forty seven, Those Saucy Saucers.
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And then I think that nineteen sixtyfive is another pivotal year that getting
things put in a chronological order.If you do a web search for nineteen
sixty five important UFO events, aboutthe only thing you'll see listed anymore is
Kexburg in December. But I've subtitledthis those you know, the Summer of
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the Saucers because over Oklahoma, KansasWyoming, Nebraska, South Dakota, Texas,
Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado.That summer, it was the summer
of the cluster group of UFOs.They were reported, they were reported in
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clusters, There were a lot oflandings reported. They were just all over
and the Air Force was tried ineffectuallyto explain away the fact that a hundred
and one hundred plus airman at theCheyenne Base in Cheyenne, Wyoming witnessed groups
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of these objects over repeated evenings inthe sky, and they had their name
and their number and all that kindof stuff in Nebraska. At well,
Marilyn, I hate to say that, but we're at a time. I
know I could talk for another houreasily with you. But thank you so
much. How could get a holdof your books? They're available on Amazon,
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most of them are available in kindleand in paperback versions. Okay,
awesome, Thank you so much forbeing with me on the show tonight.
Okay, bye bye, each ch
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And do you want to mention acouple of things coming up that are really
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My guest for this evening is MarilynA. Hudson. She is a retired
library professional and administrator. She's awriter and researcher and author of several books
on a UFO UAP phenomenon. She'sa member of move On and a field
investigator with Oklahoma Movefon and I knowOklahoma is very busy, So welcome to
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the program, Maryland. Thank youvery much. I'm glad to be here.
Well, I'm so glad you couldjoin me this evening. Our listeners
may not know that you've got acouple of articles in an ex magazine and
one of them's coming out this month, July first, and it is about
some of the best documentary films.So you did a really good job.
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If anybody is wondering what to watch, check that article out. Thank you,
Thanks so well, Marilyn. Howdid you get interested in UFOs?
Well, I used to always justsay that it was something that always interested
me. That the secret was thatI actually had had some experiences when I
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was a child, and I kindof kept those to myself because where I
grew up in Kansas, you didn'tmention doing anything out of the ordinary.
Oh okay, well, I likeeveryone else, I didn't want to be
labeled as being that person, andthere was a part of me that just,
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you know, wanted to not talkabout it. But over the years,
the things just kept staying. Ihad what I called amber memories.
They were little memories. They werelike encapsulated episodes of some scene, some
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action, some event, and theynever changed. It was always just like
it was frozen in a hunk ofamber and it would just keep coming back,
keep coming back. They never hada beginning, they never had an
end. It was always just thatmoment in time, forever frozen and so
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I wondered, was I going crazy? You know? Did lunacy run in
my family? So finally what Igot to be, oh a more mature
individuals, shall we say. Idecided that if this thing had really happened,
that there should be some ways tofind out. Somebody else must have
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seen something, And so I beganto look at where I lived, the
time period, the events, andone thing after another, just it began
to build, and I found thatthere was some apparent support for the events
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that I had remembered, and Iwas able to support that with some research
that I'd found. And along theway I heard these people say, oh,
nothing ever happens in Oklahoma. Wrong. But so I said, well,
let's just take a look at that. And so I began to look
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through the online files of Project BlueBook, looking first just at Oklahoma.
That was my new adopted state.So I was really interested to see,
well, what has happened? AndI began to just make a note of
all the incidences, all the stories, all the events, and before you
know it, I had just allthis stuff and I said, I just
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need to put it in a book, and so I put it in Sooner
Saucers nineteen forty seven to nineteen sixtynine Oklahoma UFOs. And so that was
the first UFO work that I did, and it was so well received that
I began to put together a secondvolume. And for that one, I
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was lucky enough. I had eightor nine people that contacted me with stories.
I've never shared this with anybody before. Can I share this in my
book? Yeah, don't use myname, but you can share that story.
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And so I've got some, youknow, some wonderful, firsthand,
never before shared stories in the secondvolume that's called Unimaginatively, Unimaginatively Sooner Saucers
Volume two. Well it works.I love the Sooner Saucers. That's that's
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that's very clever. And now inMighty in Muffon knows that Oklahoma is a
hotspot for UFOs. That's right,But the general probablic probably doesn't know that.
No, No, there there isa growing number of people that are
aware and they're listening with a littlebit more willing ear to stories and stories
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that people say that they had experiencestwenty thirty, forty years ago. So
slowly but surely, the there isa new atmosphere and tenor that's being seen.
But there's still a lot of people. Uh yeah. Uh. One
of the things the recent uh informationcoming out of the government, the Pentagon
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really seeing uh yeah, there arethings out there we don't know, we
can't explain it. Do you thinkthat that has anything to do with people's
willingness to speak up on the topicnow, I think it has everything to
do with it. I think thatthe the h the ridicule and the denigration
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that people who experienced in the pastwhenever they talked about that kind of situation,
was that they looked to the governmentto give them a clue as to
how they should treat and respond tothose statements. And so when the government
said, oh, well, they'vejust been drinking, or you know,
hoaxers or you know, there's prankstersall around, you know, are they
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they just can't tell it cloud froman airplane. So I think that we've
always looked to the government, We'vealways looked to the news to tell us
how we should view certain subjects.And so as a result of that,
what's happened is that as the governmentnow has begun to say we think that
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we should looking seriously at these topics, at these subjects, that's being heard
and people are responding to that.There's not the automatic jokes that there were
twenty thirty years ago. There's thehonest well, you know, I don't
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know, I don't know what itwas we saw, but there was something.
There's a lot more of believability.People are being trusted a little bit
more to actually be telling the truthrather than just making up a tall tale.
Have you ever had somebody say toyou, no, I've never seen,
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never seen a UFO, but therewas this one time. Yeah,
going to a fault description of ayou know, UFO classic close encounter.
Uh, but yeah, exactly,exactly. Yeah. I've heard that numerous
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times, numerous times, and I'vehad I've had people sidle up to me
at festivals and events and places whereI've spoken or something like that, and
they say, I don't really believein UFOs or little Green men, but
I saw something one time. Andyou know, so they're they're at least
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becoming a little bit more willing toshare some stories as well. That the
the last fifty years have trained usvery well. Yes, yes, indeed,
let's go back to your own experiencesfor a minute. Can you dig
a little deeper into that, giveus some more detail. Sure, I
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had three or four significant amber memories. The very first one that I can
remember is I was sitting in myliving room on the floor in front of
these windows. This night. Wewere getting ready to watch our favorite show,
which probably was gun Smoke. Myfather loved that, and so I
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was sitting on the floor, justcoloring away, and I looked up into
the window that was just right besidethe floor there, and there was this
face looking in at me, andit was very pale, very quiet,
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didn't have any hair. All Icould seem was just this pale face and
it looked at me and it hadit seemed like very large eyes, but
a lot of the face was alittle bit in shadow. And the first
thing I thought, really was thatit was probably one of my brothers or
something, you know, playing atrick. But about that time I hear
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my father and my brother's coming inthe back door, so it wasn't them.
And when I turned my face backaround to the window, the face
is gone. Now. The nextmajor little memory that I have is of
me walking home down our street ina late gray fall type of afternoon.
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The leaves were wet, the barkwas black with damp, and the leaves
were kind of yellow and gold andthe brightest thing in the image with this
overcast early fall day. And thesetwo people are following me and I cannot
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get away. They're not moving likenormal people. They have very fluid,
wavy kind of motions with their handsas they're following after me, and I'm
like, I'm in molasses. Ican't seem to move, and I know
that I need to get just afew few more hundred feet and there's my
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house and I can go in andit'll be safe. That that's it,
just that moment to the next moment, and that's where the memory ends.
Now the next summer, I amriding my bike down this killer Keybone street
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and I have been warned not toride my bike, but I'm riding my
bike and it hits the curb andI bounce into this ten foot chain link
fence. And as I'm peeling myselfoff of the fence and I'm sitting there
in the ground by my bike andtrying to pull myself together, I see
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I have this scar on the backof my leg, just above my knee,
and it looks really strange. Achild at school had had a had
stitches, and it looked like thatsame kind of healing wound, but it
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had only like about four dots,two on one side, two on the
other, at different ends of theincision. I might say. I was
curious, So what happened? Iran home and I asked my mother.
I asked my father. I askedmy brothers, asked my sisters, my
aunts, my uncles, my teachers, anybody. When did I get hurt
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there and have to have stitches?And nobody. I was never hurt.
I never had stitches until four orfive years later. Strange. Wow.
The next thing that happened was Iremembered that we heard something outside, and
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my entire family, my brothers whowere older teens, went out the screen
door into the backyard. In thebackyard was bathed in this red light.
And I'm edging my way through,you know, jean clad legs, and
trying to get through so I cansee something. And I get out there
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in front, and everybody has stoppedand they're staring straight up, and there's
this huge round circle of light thatthe center of it is this hot yellow
white tone, and around the edgesis this red yellow orange combination of lottery
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and the entire area for about ohten fifteen foot radius is bathed in this
hot, yellow, reddish tinged light, and everything around it is just dark,
and nobody is saying anything, andI look up at everybody and there
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they're just they're just like frozen andlooking up there. And I look up
then, and that's all that Iremember. The final episode, the least,
the final episode that I know of, is about a year later.
It's about I think it was aboutnineteen sixty five, perhaps sixty six,
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And I have two photos that showthat my father and my mother and I
had driven out to the local lake. It was probably about April, still
cold enough to wear a sweater,and there is a picture that shows my
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father or myself pointing up at somethingin the sky and my father just standing
there just kind of looking at melike child. Nobody can remember us going
to the lake. But what Iremember is I remember walking down this sandy
road there at the lake with thetall trees on either side, see the
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lake in the distance, and itfelt like they had put a clear bowl
over everything. It was like therewas no sound nothing, no sounds,
no wind, no birds, noinsects. I couldn't even hear my feet
walking through that sandy road, andthere were people in cars, and some
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of the people were half in andhalf out of their car, but they
were frozen. WHOA. It waslike it was like I was walking through
a tableau of mannequins. And noone can remember us even going to the
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lake that day. I've you know, showed them the pictures and I was
like, okay, tell me aboutthis day. I don't remember that.
Nobody could remember going to the lakethat day, even though I could remember
that we're gone because my mother wasgoing to check about buying some chickens from
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a lady who lived out that direction, and so we thought, well,
we're out there, we'll just goaround the lake. But nobody else could
remember that. No. Those arethe things I just kind of put put
under my hat and wondered whether Iwas going crazy, whether you know,
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there was insanity in my family,which luckily I don't haven't found any yet.
But when I began to search,I thought, Okay, if these
things actually happened, if there wassomething that went on in my community during
those time periods, in those generalyears, surely someone else would have noticed,
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someone else would have reported something somebodyelse would know what would have happened,
And so I began to search,and sure enough, I found that
there were several episodes during that twoor three year period in my hometown,
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in my home county, in thatregion of my state of Kansas, where
police, military weather radar witnesses leftand right saw objects red glowing objects,
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things that moved and did not makesense, and you know, moved in
strange directions. And then I foundan undocumented story from a woman who was
probably about my age, and shehad lived in the Bartlesville Oclhore Home area,
and she had reported on one ofthe databases, you know, bulletin
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board kinds of things that she'd hadan encountered about. She thought it was
sixty five, There was a UFO, she thought there was an alien,
she thought maybe there was an abduction. There was definitely some missing time,
and I thought she could be talkingabout me. I've searched, and I've
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asked people if they know of anybodywho had such a story, but I've
yet to find them. So ifthere's anybody out there, if you're that
person, please contact me, becauseI would love to compare some notes about
what had happened. And what theexperience did to you. How can people
contact you Maryland? I have awonderful website called the UFO. I'll just
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go ahead. Here's my email address. I'm going to live dangerously Marilyn A.
Hudson at yahoo dot com. Can'tget much easier than that. Okay,
perfect? So anybody in Oklahoma orKansas please right. So we're talking
about the time period of nineteen sixtyfive to sixty five. Okay, what
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county is that? Sumner Sumner County? Okay? Yeah. I found stories
out of Wichita, which is justSedgwick County just to the north, and
Cowley County to the east and thento the west. Also, there were
many instances and reports of sightings inthat time period. Have you ever been
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regressed or hypnotized to try to No? I never have. Is that something
that you're interested in doing? Iwouldn't be adverse to it. Get to
the bottom of something and you know, find out, Am I really crazy?
Or Uh? Yeah? I've hadseveral regressions and I was able to
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get more information during each one.So uh but some people aren't ready for
it. You strike me as aperson who could handle it. Uh,
But some people really don't want toknow, and they're not ready to learn
the truth about everything because it's soforeign and alien, no pun intended.
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It's a it's a shock to thesystem. Yeah, yeah, I did.
I did a story program one timewhere I shared some of these stories
and everything for a local library,and I called it a UFO kitchen release
program. I was and release.Yeah, Well, you know that it's
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pretty much true what they do.That's what they do. What are some
of the other interesting stories out ofKansas or Oklahoma that you'd like to share
with us tonight. Well, there'sa fascinating story out of Kansas. Kansas
actually has a lot more stories thanI was really even aware of. My
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research has uncovered the fact that placeslike Kansas, places like Oklahoma and probably
several other states, we were receivingso much money for air bases, air
fields, training facilities, missile silos, that kind of thing that it became,
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I think, very easy for governmentleaders, city officials, state leaders.
If the government it said we won'ttalk about this, it was their
patriotic response was that they would not, And so as a result, you
grew up thinking that nobody in yourstate had any such stories to share,
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but I found that that was veryincorrect. There's a story that was actually
in Project Blue Book. They didn'tinvestigate it, but there was a clipping
of a mysterious, large, darktriangular object that landed in a field northwest
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or northeast of Wichita, which wouldhave been north and east of McConnell Air
Force Base. But it didn't landat the airbase. It landed in a
field and there was so much lightwith this object that local fire departments and
police and sheriff three different communities andthree different counties were all responding to these
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reports because they figured that something hadcrashed and they had wildfire running amok,
and so they were searching all overthese country roads trying to find where this
thing had come down. And thenfinally one young sheriff's deputy came across it
and he observed it from a distanceand it was standing he thought, ten
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feet above the ground. It seemedto have three different legs. It had
a strange blue bright blue white lightassociated with it as well as a purple
light, and it was just veryun aircraft type of report. And although
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it could have been, you know, some kind of an early stealth prototype
or something like that. Why didn'tit Lando McConnell. You know, those
are some of the questions that gounanswered. And then suddenly, about four
o'clock in the morning, that thingis gone. The police that have been
watching it don't even see it leave. According to the news article. Oh
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wow. So it's kind of oneof those things. All right, it's
in there yesterday, but you can'tfind any follow up on it. Nothing
shows up afterwards to explain what thatwas that they saw. So I've always
kind of liked that one just forthe sheer mystery that's involved with it,
But probably when it comes to Oklahoma, one of my favorite ones Yet'll tell
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And we're back. This is AnnexNews and I'm your host, Margie K.
I am speaking with Marilyn Hudson thisevening, and she basically, but
Maryland, do you stick with Kansasand Oklahoma as far as UFO study goes?
So far, that's been the primaryfocus. I do have growing files
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and interests in many other states becauseone of my theories is that we need
to look not just at the particularstate. Project blue Book made that mistake.
Everything was very localized, that thesethings had to come from somewhere,
they had to go to somewhere,And so if you're wanting to try and
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really track what was happening, youhave to be able to cross state lines,
to ignore those state lines and seewhere it was that they might have
been heading and what people in thoseother areas might have reported. Yeah,
and I know you're a move onfield investigator, so am I. And
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we often find that UFOs don't reallyknow what state lines are, and we're
able to track them across not onlyfrom sightings, but but now from the
Made Our units. Do you doyou have made our units in Oklahoma?
We have a few. We're justreally kind of getting our toes in that
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water, and I'm really looking forwardto what will happen when there's far more
of those around and uh, Ithink it's going to be some fascinating data.
Oh yeah, it just adds onemore piece of evidence, especially with
We've had a number of sightings inMissouri that I know for sure that have
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matched up with Made Our units,either showing readings that are off the scale
or in one case, there wasa sighting that was local and my unit
shut down, which was very unusual. Yeah, and then a couple of
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other units picked it up as itwent across the state. So yeah,
that's just another tool that we canuse to track UFOs and show as evidence
since they the MADAR only picks upUFOs, doesn't pick up anything else.
I think it's fascinating. So whatare some of the other usual cases you
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were getting ready to share one withus before the break. Yeah, there's
a favorite one that I like aboutnineteen sixty six, there were three cadets
with the Civilian Air Control. Theywere finishing up some of their training and
they reported something that they had seen. Now, the Project Bluebook file took
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their report, took their statement,concluded they had seen an airplane disappearing into
the sky. But when you actuallylook at the witness statement that is there
the witness who answered the form drewa picture of what they had seen,
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and what they had seen was,yes, they saw some red lights that
were moving in the sky check couldbe an airplane, but they saw those
red lights disappear into this large blackpaddle shaped space of nothing high in the
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sky that blocked out the stars beyondit. And the shape was very much
like a hot water bottle or wellof those cutting board paddles that you might
see rounded corners, big rectangle withthis kind of an opening area that stuck
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out just a little bit, andthat's where the red lights disappeared into.
But that gets hidden because nobody gotto see those parts of those files.
They only usually got to see thatconclusion on the front page. And so
the conclusion was they nothing to seehere. They just saw some an airplane
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and misidentified it, but no explanationfor what it was that blacked out the
sky for such a wide area,and that the objects that disappeared into So
to me, that's what I reallylike. That's what I really like.
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Now one of the stories that someoneshared with me. Sometimes you kind of
feel like a spy, you know, working undercover. You know, yes,
I promise I won't use your namewith this fellow. After some discussion
and sharing, he finally agreed tolet me share his story. And it
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was about twenty seventeen north west ornortheast Oklahoma, in the area of Osage
County near Homony. Holmony is anarea. He was driving home, as
was his president, and he wouldstop once he'd crossed the main highway.
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He was about halfway home, andhe'd always stop this way. Oh you're
cutting out Maryland. I can't figureout exactly why. Okay, Oh there
we go. We got you there. Okay. So he began to get
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out of his truck look at thenight sky like he always liked to do,
and he smoked a cigarette before hegot home, and he couldn't smoke
at home. So he's looking upat that night sky and he is just
enjoying the beautiful view, and suddenlyhe sees this big, glowing square object
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that is coming toward him, andit's fairly low, and that was what
struck him. It was like amattress flying through the air. It was,
you know, that kind of shape, coming at him with a slight
glow. And so as it's passingoverhead, it is close enough he can
actually see it has a sort ofa pebble type finish to it, and
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he sees this thing crawling around onthe outside of it that looked very insect
like, and that scared him todeath. And it was very large,
he said, probably it was asbig as you know, a man or
a woman. And it scared himso much he jumped in his car,
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locked his doors, and got outof there, well like the proverbial bat
out of you know where, andhe's never gone back since. Well I
don't blame him, but that conceptof seeing something insect light crawling over the
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exterior part of this object that setchills up my back when I heard it,
so I could imagine what it didto him to actually see this.
So I've always thought that one wasa very very interesting one that I had
never really heard one quite that,you know, nothing crawling over the outside
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of something. But I have onecase, one such case out of all
of them, so yeah, that'spretty rare. Yeah, so that was
really starting. Now. The otherone that I really love is one that's
actually from here in the community whereI live here in Straduglaholma. In nineteen
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fifty nine, there was she wasa young girl at the time, she
was only about twelve, I think, she said, and she her father
loved the outdoors and so they'd beendoing picnics and camping all year, and
she had fallen in love with theconcept of lightning bugs. And so here
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it was it was early October,and so it was a beautiful, beautiful
evening, and so she decided togo outside to see if there were any
lightning bugs still around. And soshe stepped outside, and when she did,
she was enjoying the sky and shelooked up. She was thinking about,
maybe, well, I could getmy telescope and I could come out
here and I could look at thestars. And so she's looking up at
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this beautyautiful blue sky that's still justa little blue starting to darken. She
sees these lights coming from the northeast. They're balls of light, and each
one of them is like a pastelcolor, and it's edged around with this
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kind of a glistering, glittering,iridescent type of tone. And so she
sees them come in. There's apink one, a blue, and a
green color, and following far theend is this white one. Now,
the colored spheres all come up andthey begin to go into a circle,
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and she said she was reminded ofa ride at the carnival, and she'd
look up at the sky and shesaw those orbs just going around in a
circle, and she was so amazed. She thought they were just so beautiful.
And her peripheral vision, she's seeingthat there are other people that are
stepping outside too. They're also comingout and there, you know, she
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says, everybody was getting into themiddle of the street and looking up at
the sky to see these orbs dancingin this pinwheel in the sky. And
that yet that white one now hasarrived butts right between them and gets into
the center of those other glowing orbs, and they begin to just dance around
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that white one, and then dothat for a few minutes, and everybody
is going, what what what andthat white one moves out of position and
begins to head toward the south east, and following behind, just like dominoes,
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are the other colored orbs moving rightbehind that lead one away into the
distance. Oh wow. Now herfather was a city manager at the time.
So the next day he's on thephone to the military, the police,
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everything everybody even think of to tryand find out what did we see.
He never received any responses to hisphone calls ever. Oh well,
but she remembered, she remembered thoselights. And I've found two other people
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that also had remembered those lights,but nobody was willing to give me their
name or anything like that, soit's still anecdotal to that point. But
it was a fascinating, fascinating story. Well, I would say there's been
a lot of sightings that are similarto that. We've had some big sightings
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in the Kansas City area that involvedmultiple witness and these balls of light coming
out of in one case, treesa tree line off of a major highway
ear and one person started counting them. He counted one hundred and twenty five.
And they would go along a pathfor about a mile and then go
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straight up into the sky in theexact same place. Wow. That was
a big way. It made thenews, and I always think that was
so fascinating because that was nineteen fiftynine. Wow, And it could have
come from any video that's being youknow, out there shared today of people
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seeing those strange globes moving around anddoing strange things. Do you think that
there are more sightings today than thereused to be in the fifties and sixties,
or are more people coming forward andreporting. I think it's just more
people are coming forward and reporting.I suspect because of the fact that every
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time I've looked into anything, there'salways somebody else that saw something, Always
somebody else that is mentioned, butthere's never any reports for those other people.
Quite often the newspaper articles will talkabout all the numerous people that may
name several of them, but there'sno file or report produced by any of
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those individuals that like Project Movebook lookedinto or anything like that. So I
think that probably just the way itis today. If somebody sees something,
the chances are real good they're goingto say. I'm not going to say
a thing. I'm keeping that tomyself. I don't want anybody to think
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that I'm crazy. I don't wantto be laughed at, I don't want
to be ridiculed. I'll just keepit to myself. And so I think
that, you know, I've encounteredover and over again when I'm talking about
this subject, when I'm sharing apresentation or something like that, there's always
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always two or three people there thatcan say, yeah, I've seen something
like that, never shared it,never told anybody about it at the time.
So I think that I think thatprobably if we'd actually been trying to
collect data of people who actually hadseen things in a more scientific manner than
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what we did in the fifties andsixties, we probably have a different attitude
or view to what is going ontoday. That we chose to not go
that route for a variety of reasonsof you know, political and national security
and other things. But I thinkthat probably people have been seeing the same
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things, and you've always got justthat section of people that if you tied
them up and poked them with ahot stick, they would not tell you
that they had seen any such thingeven though they had. So I think
that there's those people. The selfpreservation is very strong with them, and
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so they do not want to makethemselves vulnerable enough to share what they saw.
In doing your investigations and talking todifferent people, or let's say,
even at when you're doing a talk, do people ever come up and say
they had forgotten completely about an eventthat occurred and then something triggered their memory
(47:47):
and they remembered a UAP. Yes, yes, I've had that happen two
times. One gentleman, I wastalking talking about the some of the stories
I'd collected about UFOs that were seenover the turnpikes in Oklahoma. Police worker,
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you know, turnpike authority workers,truckers, that kind of stuff,
had all reported these kinds of things. And when I was talking about that,
and I was I was sharing withthem the shape that they had seen
and how it just had been amassive object that they had witnessed. And
I had gentlemen say, well,you know, I saw something like that.
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I didn't think it. I thought, well, I didn't know what
I thought, but I saw somethingthat did that exact same thing. I
must have seen a UFO, Andit was like a the oh c.
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It took that long for it tokind of sink in that that's maybe what
had happened is that he had seen, not just the strange cloud of darkness
that he'd seen, actually a largeblack, non reflective u UFO, UAP
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whatever you want to call it,and the light bulb went on at that
point. Yeah. Yeah, I'verun into quite a few people that have
something that triggers the memory and theyit's happened to me too. I mean
I recently had something that triggered amemory from when I was seventeen years old.
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Then the whole family saw and nowhe completely wiped it out of my
mind. It was just gone.And who knows why that happens. You
know, maybe it's a self preservationthing. You just kind of block it.
Your mind blocks it for you,maybe because you were freaking out at
the time. Have you noticed I'mcurious. Are city people more likely to
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discuss UFO sightings than rural people?I think I think it really depends.
There are some having lived in bothOklahoma City and smaller communities of the If
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you get the locals in a smallercommunity to trust you, they will share
with you. If you run acrosspeople in a larger community who have the
same kind of story, they willshare with you. But you also will
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have quite a few more people thatare just okay, they're controlled by the
larger group that they're with, sothey're under peer pressure. They may oh,
yeah, I believe in that.Yeah, but you can tell they
don't. Whereas that there's also thoseindividuals that you can sense something going across
(51:22):
their face when you discuss the subjectthat you know that they'd really love to
have the opportunity to say something andshare something that they're being held back by
their peer group or the lack oftrust in whatever the situation is. So
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I think you know, it canhappen in either group, large city people,
smaller community people. Both of themhave shared some really phenomenal stories,
and some of them have also saidno, I'll never sh or that I'll
never talk about that never. Soit just depends on the person and the
(52:07):
moment. Well, let's talk aboutyour books. You've got several. So
was this your first book that wasthe first book on UFOs. I've written
other books prior to that on othersubjects, but this is the first UFO
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themed book, and it was partof that whole process of uncovering you know,
my past, I think is what'shere? Okay, so that's sooner
Saucers nineteen forty seven and nineteen sixtynine. And I just noticed a little
et standard on the roof there onyour cover. That's pretty cool. And
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then Sooner Saucers volume two, andI've got this picture Encounters Encountering. Now
that's basically my story of events inKansas that I struggled to uncover and remember
and recall. So that's me justputting it off there. Okay, did
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I miss anything? There are two, there are three others. One of
the things one of the problems thatI found when I was doing research was
that quite often the books that youread, they would lump all these different
sightings together. When they happened,you had to really search. And so
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I decided that I would put togethera chronology of nineteen forty seven because that
was kind of where I started,because I think it's important to see where
and when things happened and what theresponse was to those events. And when
you see that, you begin tosee, yeah, they didn't really know
(53:54):
what was going on, and therereally are you know, the little eggs
are moving like pistons, trying tokeep up and get ahead of this issue,
and that gets lost when everything getsjumbled around, and so the chronology
follows a kind of a January throughDecember of nineteen forty seven. And the
(54:16):
title Those Saucy Saucers that it's aquote from the general who was in charge
of the Tinker Air Force Base innineteen forty seven. Oh, he was
He was asked a newsman had askedhim, well, has the Tinker Airfield
had any flying Sorcier problems or anythinglike that, you know, and he
(54:39):
off the cuff he shot off that, you don't know, we haven't had
any of those saucy saucers stop herefor any maintenance of their saucers. Oh
that's funny. So I decided thatdeserve to just be remembered and you know,
placed into that title. So it'snineteen forty seven, Those Saucy Saucers.
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And then I think that nineteen sixtyfive is another pivotal year that getting
things put in a chronological order.If you do a web search for nineteen
sixty five important UFO events, aboutthe only thing you'll see listed anymore is
Kexburg in December. But I've subtitledthis those you know, the Summer of
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the Saucers because over Oklahoma, KansasWyoming, Nebraska, South Dakota, Texas,
Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado.That summer, it was the summer
of the cluster group of UFOs.They were reported, they were reported in
(55:52):
clusters, There were a lot oflandings reported. They were just all over
and the Air Force was tried ineffectuallyto explain away the fact that a hundred
and one hundred plus airman at theCheyenne Base in Cheyenne, Wyoming witnessed groups
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of these objects over repeated evenings inthe sky, and they had their name
and their number and all that kindof stuff in Nebraska. At well,
Marilyn, I hate to say that, but we're at a time. I
know I could talk for another houreasily with you. But thank you so
much. How could get a holdof your books? They're available on Amazon,
(56:38):
most of them are available in kindleand in paperback versions. Okay,
awesome, Thank you so much forbeing with me on the show tonight.
Okay, bye bye, each ch
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