December 12, 2024 • 55 mins
Filmmaker Ron Meyer gives us an update on recent events at the very strange Bradshaw Ranch in this episode.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
It's time for the unexed News news extraterrestrials, ton anomalies, dementia, dimensions,
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News podcast, Margie K.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Hello and welcome to UNEX News. I'm your host, Margie K,
and we're here every Friday at six pm Central seven
pm Eastern. I'm glad you could join me this evening.
We have a few really interesting things coming up this year,
of course is it seems to be the year of
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so check that out. And of course we have XCN
coming up in October and our early bird ticket sales
are available right now, my guest, this evening, he is
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back for another session of an ex. Ronald Meyer owns
a film production company called Center Communications. He's produced and
directed feature films and award winning documentaries. Ron is an
author and co author of four novels. He leads flow
workshops and is a fifth black belt in IQTO. Recently,
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he produced the number one streaming documentary series on Amazon
Prime about serial killers. Ronald started collectively collecting fossils at
the early age of fourteen. Since then, he and his
collecting buddy gerald O. Gunderson discovered three of the world's
soft bodied sites, including the Brandon Bridge fauna. He has
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two ancient species named after him and has co authored
multiple palaeot paleontological peer reviewed papers. Can't talk this evening.
He lives in Louisville or Louisville, Colorado. We'll figure out
the pronunciation of that. Welcome to the program.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Ron Margin, it's good to be here. Then we say Lewisville.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Here, you say Louisville. Okay, if.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
It's spelled the same way, Yes, yes it is.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Oh, it's good to see you again. It's been a while.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
It has been last time.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Last time was the ex conference where you spoke and
showed a film that was quite interesting. But tonight we're
going to talk about the Bradshaw Ranch, which I know
that's a fascinating subject. A lot of people are interested
in that, and you've done quite extensive investigations there, haven't you.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Yes, we investigated and filmed the place over a period
of a year, starting in twenty twenty two with the fallen,
ending in the spring of twenty twenty three, gathering enough
material to put together a movie about our experiences. What
we were able to capture was it's certainly a place
of high strangeness. Where would you like to start?
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Well, what sorts of strange things occur there?
Speaker 3 (04:07):
So it was a series of synchronicities that we ended
up there at all, and we had to go through
quite a few people to get to figure out how
to start filming there. It started with contacting some It's
near Sedona, Arizona, which has numerous for Texas and a
paranormal hotspot. And as the curl flies, Bradshaw Ranches probably
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fifteen or twenty miles so they share the night sky.
So if you see a UAP over Sedonia could very
well be over Bradshaw Ranch and there are plenty to
see and there are you know, people who put on
events that you can join and go use high high
definition binoculars and see a lot of UAPs, which we did.
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But one of our first content there was a woman
named Melissa lent Leslie and she runs one of those
those night affairs to see UAPs. She put me in
touch with Tom Dongo, who did the original research on
Bradshaw Rancho and was still owned by the Bradshaws and
the remaining survivor was Linda Bradshaw, and they had many
strange experiences back then. Each wrote a book on it
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and from there Tom Dongo has has been mentoring. Somebody's
name is Hudu Tall or Jorgan Hess. He goes by
and he was our man on the ground for when
we were there, when we weren't there, and it took
quite a while to set that up. And so our first,
our first event we went there was in the Fallows
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at twenty twenty two and we met with Jurgen and
we went out there during the day and he was
pretty obsessed with the fact that Bigfoot was out there.
That was his main focus in some ways focused in UAPs,
and there's plenty of strange footprints out there. Three toad
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footprints once you can't even explain, and plenty that would
you know, be big footprints by most definitions. And it's
a large property. The property itself was settled at the
turn of the twentieth century, and like Skinwalker Ranch, there
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was an original adobe house, you know, it goes way
back then, and then they built a larger building that
occupied that that acted as a place for people to
stay and live, and it was a movie set for
a while. And then completing the triangle of the major
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properties is a windmill that pumped water and stored water
for the people that were there. So one time it
was a set where Elvis Presley and John Wayne and
many illuminaries of the Old West shots or movies there.
It has a long history. Then it turned into a
working ranch and then kind of a dude ranch where
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people would come and do do things and horses and
stuff like that. So it's been occupied but right now
to totally abandoned facility that's owned by the government, our government.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Uh huh, kind of like Skinwalker.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Well, Skinwalker was never really owned by the government. It
was owned by Bigelow Well look for the government and
helped build the space station, and then it was acquired
by Brandon Fugel. Interestingly, Brandon Fugel tried to buy the
property during the time we were exploring that he wasn't
weren't there at the same time, but Jurgen has took
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him around and showed him and the government's not selling
why they owned this piece of property is a bit
of a mystery. The time they're studying the environmental impact
on native species, Well, there aren't a lot of native
species there because it was a working range, so and
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we did find evidence that that they might have been
doing something. There was an older band relatively modern abandoned
weather station, but there's also a highly sensitive equipment that
was left behind and for a while, I mean for
a while, there's a gate that locks the thing, and
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sometimes it's open and sometimes it's not. It's not not open.
Everybody crawls underneath a particular part of the fence in
that and it's many people have visited it.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
So it's is it off limits to people or you know,
how does that work if the government owns it?
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Right now that there's it seems like if you want
to go there, You can go there. People are going
there all the time.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Okay, well you were there, did you see any evidence
of government agents keeping an ru or planes or helicopters
things like that. Not.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Really, there was no evidence of any government personnel there.
When we were there. A couple other people, a couple
showed up and she were the old buildings and there's
a lot of graffiti inside the buildings, so people have
been there many times. One of the strangest events we
had is started when so the first the first day
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we went there with Jurgen, we went out to the well,
we ran around and shot v wrold because we're making
a movie and you need a lot of footage of
all the buildings and the set up and flying a
drone to get aerials and all that sort of stuff.
So we did that and then we thought we would
As far as we knew at that time, nobody had
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done any kind of investigation using any kind of a equipment.
And my associate and then in law, Alan mcgargo, brought
his ghost detecting equipment. So we went out to the
to the windmill and did a little stuff with the rampod.
Do you do your audience know what apt is.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
They absolutely do yes.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
And we did a little bit of investigating and questioning,
mainly along the lines are their ghosts of the They
passed people who owned the Brandshaws and got nothing. But
when we ask is there's something that's aware of us,
we got a very positive response. We thought that was
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cool well that we thought maybe that's the key to
the investigation there, because Tom Dongo and Linda Branchhaw always
described they felt that it was like Grand Central Station,
that there were beings who were aware of them at
all times. And so we went after doing all this
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work in the afternoon, we went to get some food
in Sedona and we decided we'd drive back. I called
Tom Donald and said what time should we be there?
He said that be there at seven o'clock, which would
indicate at that time of the year would be dark.
And so we agreed to meet Jurgen at You take
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a road south out of Sedona and then you drive
out of Gravel Road that takes your right to Bradshaw Ran.
It takes a half hour pretty much on the on
the dot, not a lot of traffic. But for some reason,
I mean, we know that Jurgen arrived at six point
thirty because we texted and said we're here, join us.
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So we jumped in our vehicle. We started driving, and
he hadn't driven out there many times, and we found
ourselves lost. How get lost, I don't know, and we
were seeing things we hadn't seen before, and everybody, including
Jurgen and cameraman and myself and and my son in law,
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we all felt something was really weird going on, like
how can we be lost in it? The world just
didn't seem right, And at one point we almost drove
off a ledge and we said, God, this kid, this
is impossible. How can this be? Then all of a sudden,
we're back on the gravel road. And interestingly we arrived
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after doing this at seven o'clock as we should have.
Oh boy, so that was, you know, what I would
call a time slip. Yeah, we got an extra half
hour of life in some way, or we're bilocating, I
don't know, but we had a very sophisticated GPS system
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and we looked at it. We were going like this,
wandering around like a piece of spaghetti plate. So you're
familiar with time slips.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Oh, absolutely, And I've experienced some myself.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Yeah. Recently, I interviewed pH As at Water. She's a
near death experiencer and researcher kind of a She's like
eighty six years old and like a Buddha person, laughing
all the time. And I told her about this experience
as she said, oh, yeah, I'm familiar with that. I
can control it. I have to write a book in
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a month. I can do that. I'll just get some
extra time, a book on UAPs and new death experiences.
So that first night we started filming in the main building,
which is a large one, and we were again Jorgen
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was pretty insistent on trying the using the technology to
round up ghosts, you know again, and we weren't getting anything.
But then when we said, is there something here that's
that's aware of us, Alan had the you know what
a SLS device is on your phone or the camera.
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It puts out an infrared signal and picks up on
things that might have by being human form. It was
developed to have have a hands free system on the
Microsoft's gaming system. So it was it was programmed to
recognize the human body and tracked the movements of the
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arm primarily, and Alan got on his on his SLS
phone an entity sitting in on a cabinet, and we
thought that's really cool and it was quite surprising. And
then we found another one sitting in the chair, so
that that actually stimulated us to say we should buy
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the big camera because that's more effective. But that was
that was what happened in the main building. But on
this we moved to the Adobe house. We again set
up in the same way and when we said, is
there's something here that can can is aware of us?
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Alan looked out the window and for you know, like
fifteen years, he wanted to see a big point and
he saw one. Do you have the picture? I sent
you a picture of it.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Let me see what we've got here. I've got this one.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
That's not it. No trying another there. Look from on
my perspective, it's on the left side.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Yes, yeah, that's pretty clear.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Yeah. And he unfortunately when he saw that, he was
in this kind of a trance like state and the
cameraman was focused on him and for roughly a minute
in twenty seconds, he just watched it and he couldn't speak,
so he didn't say, well, there's something out there, and
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so he was he was thrilled to finally see a
big foot and it's in that kind of crouchy position
that's often described. And Melinda Leslie said, yeah, there's a bigfoot.
Everybody's seen her. It's called big Gal And so that
was that was that was pretty darn exciting for us
to to have that experience, which was enough to trigger
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a much larger, full scale of investigation in the spring.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Has anyone ever seen extraterrestrials, you know, standing around on
the ground or in the houses?
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Well, let me see. I don't know if they've seen
apparitions like I haven't talked to Tom Doango about that,
but later on we captured them quite clearly on our
Solus camera and interacted with them.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
By any chance, did you use a spectrum analyzer at
any point?
Speaker 3 (17:22):
We did not so, but on our return we went
back and talked to Melanda Leslie and she says, there's
a place there between the Adobe house and the big building,
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a very clear spot which we everybody thinks is the
portal the things come through and if you're standing in it,
she's described as being filled with electricity. And Jerga knew
of it and had walked with rods and went crazy there.
So we thought that should be. Our first attempt is
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to see if we can identify that that possible portal.
And we had hooked up with somebody from Colorado, a
psychic person c J, and she had gone up before
us and knew of the spot, and once she got
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into it, she kind of buckled over and pain and
had to get out of there. And as we were
driving to the side, she was leaving, and we said, well, no, no,
come back and show us where that spot was. And
she had three other psychics with her and they had
all experienced something unusual, so we were able to pretty
much pin down where that spot was. And the first
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thing we did is, you know, there's is we got
out our trifield meter and walked around with it, and
we could easily identify an area of intense magnetic radiation,
you know, and as he walked around with this thing,
he was fluctuating like crazy. So the next thing we
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did is we got out our thermal and sure enough,
floating about seven feet above the ground was an intense
cold spot with a little hot spot in the middle,
which a couple scientists have identified as a plasmoid, which
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was they think triggered the opening of the portal.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Ah.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Interestingly, we had also at that point decided to bring
a little Tessa coil because we had heard that when
these things, interdimensional entities need to materialize, they need to
draw energy from some source. Usually let's the environment. And
that's why people who have experienced cold in places like
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a Skinwalker ranch, they experience that. People who go go something,
they feel the coldness, and that's that's sucking the energy
to kind of materialize. So we thought if we gave
it a little something, a little something, a little boost
from our Tesla coil, he would give him a little
juice from a magnetic field and a little bit of plasma.
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And you've been using it ever since with a great
deal of success. So the next thing we did is
and and we all, as we all got kind of
physically biologically upset by being in that space was not
healthy for our biology. And do you know Sime and Heine,
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he's a scientist of a start, And the speculation is
that if your two universes or two inter dimensions are
coming together with different slightly different physical constants that are
our biology does not sit well with that. And it's
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a well documented phenomena that they're showing in labs now.
So we all experienced it in slightly different ways. Some
of me. I felt pain in my weak spot where
I separated my shoulder. Other people were just nauseated, and
poor Allen had to go back and sit in his
bedroom for the night, which was not pleasant. But anyhow,
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after we moved on a bit and came back, it
was gone. The phenomena was gone. But what we decided
to do was the set up our trail cab on
the spot. And if you pull up that first picture,
then I should do this one. Yeah, see something like
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a pyramid.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
There, Yeah, sure, do right in the middle.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
So that was there the whole time, and twice this
is this is a scream grab from a single frame
in a movie. And at one point there were orbs
pouring out of that that spot. That spot is right
over there where we did our measurements, and you can
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see it sort of translucent in a way. It's not
a solid, it's almost like a shadow, right, Yeah, And
these orbs came pouring out like out of it from
the ground, not from the top, you know, maybe fifty
or sixty of them, just pouring out. And it was
a quiet night and the grass was not moving. So
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it was not it was not air blowing stuff around.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Did you see that with the naked eye?
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Did not see it with the naked eye? This is
you know, infrared.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Okay. Interesting, there's kind of a field around it too,
and above.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
It there is there is And interestingly, the last job
we had when we packed up to leave, the phenomena
they are phenomena appeared again. This time they are going back.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Oh wow, it's like you're coming out of a portal
and going back to it.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Yeah. And I showed that somebody who's a forensic person
from mufon, you know, a while back, and he said, oh,
I said, what's this? He said, oh, that's an intromensional portal.
I said tell me more and he said I can't.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Whatever that.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Okay, yeah, because a gentleman of some sort. I.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
I'm working on some portal investigations right now, five in fact,
and there are some commonalities with them. They do open
and close. Did you seem to find any type of
a pattern with that portal opening and closing.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
We didn't really investigate it much because we wanted to
do other things. It'd be something somebody could do. There's
no doubt that you're going to have experienced it multiple
times in terms of affecting him, were not affecting him.
It seems to be pretty much that's the spot.
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And we're back Margie k the host of unex News,
and we're here on the k u n X Digital
Radio Network with my special guests this evening, Ron Meyer,
we're talking about the Bradshaw Ranch. Ron what else occurred
there at the ranch that was something completely out of
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the ordinary that you weren't expecting.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Interacting with an illil intelligence.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
That's a good one, do tell.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
So the first night on on the second visit there,
we ran around with the SLS connect camera that we
had bought and subsequently going from room to room and
we picked up on it, you know, these stick figure
type things, but they were they weren't really in human form,
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and they kind of appeared to be dancing in a
way because it sends out an infrared signal then then
picks this stuff up and so if there's atmospheric disturbances,
which you know usually there's some change in temperature, it
makes it look like these figures are kind of moving
and dancing in a way that's an artifact of the
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device itself. But sometimes you'll get in a room or
it's all very quiet, and they're very steady, and so
we were quite hopeful that there was something lurking in
that in that main building that wanted to make contact
with us. And Jurgen had arranged with a fellow named
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Benjamin long Tree, electrical engineer who is one of these
tinkerers and builds electric equipment, and he had done the
definitive study of the vortexas at in Sedona on those
bluff You know, have you been to Sedona?
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (29:54):
I have, so you know that there's at least five
places where they you know, struck sure is that where
they think there are vort texas. Yes, He's been pretty
able to pretty he's documented him quite readily, and they
come and go and the unit they are, they they
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form of magnetic field and magnetic field to have a
positive and negative side, you know, the negative and positive pole.
So the field goes comes out of the ground and
goes back into the ground. And if you're on the
part where it's coming out of the ground, it's euphoric
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and wonderful and blissful. And if you're on the part
where it's going into the ground, I feel like crap.
That's what he said. And he's pretty much been able
to document that. So we brought Jurgen brought him out
and it was a good idea to see what he
could do with his equipment. And he has a giant
magnetometer that he uses to detect any kind of disturbances
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in the magnetic field, are positive or negative ions plasma
and he he was to I wanted to set up
a baseline, and he went into the Adobe house and
did some recordings and you could see that there were
he was pretty active little spikes, you know, little spikes,
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positive and negative spikes come ions. You know, a plasma
is made of so it's it's generally an active area.
And he thinks that the substrate, which is iron oxide
sand on top and then below it is a dome
of crystals, crystal dome parts, and that acts like an
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antenna to attract or energize beings. That's why there's it's
so active there. Interesting. Also, Jorgan took us to a
nearby hidden rock art panel which we filmed, and there's
one one one panel which has people looking up to
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perfectly pecked UFOs amazing, which is like twelve hundred years ago,
and there's a good depiction of a big foot holding
up something. So it's been active for many years. That
spot for people.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Is that I assume that's in your film.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Oh yeah, pretty cool to see. I was like, god,
that's like a classic drawing of a UFO back in
the day with the dome on top and the Yeah, yeah,
pretty amazing.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
How long did it take you to make the film?
Speaker 3 (32:44):
I mean to put it together in the end, well.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
From your investigation time until it was finished, I.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Would say a year and two thirds almost two years.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
I like that. You know, when you film, you're shooting.
We had multiple cameras. As the person who writes the script,
I have to log everything sotime you see stuff you
never saw. Like at one time there was a UAP
flickering following Jergen and and Alan as they walked from
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the main building to the Adobe building, where he saw
his bigfoot was tracking him. Now nobody saw that, you
know why. But when you look at the footage there
it is the Other thing we saw is that immediately
after Alan had his bigfoot experience, we asked him to
describe it, and outside of a window another window in
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the Adobe house was another light, bright light, not a reflection,
and as he was talking, it SYNCD up with him.
So then he said, and then the bigfoot moved, and
the thing moved, and then it flickered and light flickered,
So you don't see that. And Taste started looking at
the footage. So we catch a multiple U I P
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phenomena we never even saw. At one point, we got
a mass of them streaming across the sky moving. We
never saw it.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Oh yeah, yeah, Well, the camera picks up more of
the light spectrum anyway, even just a regular camera, if
you get into infrared or night vision, that's you're going
to catch catch a lot more.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
I think it's easier for the for whatever these things
have to materialize in the infrared range than in the
you know, the visible light or something like X ray
or ultra violet.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
Takes less energy because you know, the breakthrough phenomena would
be less difficult. And anyhow, so getting back to our
big experience experience is that so Ben lone Tree established
a baseline and then we went and he took it
into the main building on a bench, and he wanted
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to he wanted to set up that baseline again so
he'd have you know, a level so he could see
if something was changing and so on. And he couldn't
do it. He just see something was fighting him. And
we got our SLS device and we could see there
was an entity messing room oh no kidding, yeah, which
(35:42):
was really crazy. At the same time we had set
our we knew that our TESLA call we didn't want
to put it too close to his magnetometer, so we
had about twenty five feet away, and at one point
we captured on the SLS the entity touching with like
(36:03):
a handle like thing, touching the test of a while,
then touching lawn Tree's computer, and then touching them both together,
spanning twenty five feet.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
But it was not. It was not in a good
human form, and then in the end of this sequence
it established kind of a human form for us.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
I've got one picture here I think might be that.
Oh yeah, it's an SLS. What is this one?
Speaker 3 (36:38):
So eventually this entity showed up and if you can
see I can't point to it, but if you look
that there's a thing that would represent its head looking
down at that light below can see that, uh huh,
but the headlight structure feet and it was sitting in
(37:01):
a chair for quite a period of time, and I
shined my laser. That's my laser. That light, there is
a laser beam. It looked down at it and kicked it.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Oh my goodness. Well now you know they can see
laser light, and that it.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
Was certainly aware of its environment. It was aware of us.
Jorgen was sitting. Jurgen ran up there was bold and
sat on it, and it popped up to the ceiling. Oh,
and then he got off and he came back in
the chair and Jergen sat on it again, popped up
to the ceiling and disappeared for the night. But we
(37:45):
were amazed that that thing was actually kicking the laser light.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
That would be, oh my gosh, I've got two more. Well,
of course, here's the graphic.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
So we wrote a book right there. That's it. That's it.
We could explain a lot more than you can explain
in a movie in the book. And that's available on
Amazon and Barnes and Noble and digital and hard copy form.
And the other thing is the movie. No, that's a story.
(38:22):
The other way around. This is the book.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
This is the book and the other one is the movie.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
Okay, that's right, and they're they're both available.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Now. How can people see the movie?
Speaker 3 (38:33):
You can go to Amazon dot com and Amazon.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Prime, Amazon Prime. Okay, okay. Any chance it'll be on
Netflix or anything like that.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
No, it'll probably end up on two B and some
of those other platforms. You know, Netflix is pretty exclusive,
if if it if it's showing something nobody else is showing,
but everybody else is is exclusive, so it could end
up on you know, multiple platforms eventually. But the distributor
(39:07):
likes to bring these things out in a way that
optimizes their modernization of it. Surprisingly, the nice thing was
that the publisher and the distributor worked together to create
the cover art for both of them. As you can
see there's a similarity, which was cool.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
Yeah, time to do that. Good graphics on that.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
Yeah. So so just to wrap up the entityde so,
Benjamin had his system going, you know, recording in a
different way the activity, and the activity shows huge spikes
in the in the display which we show in the movie.
(39:53):
It corresponds to all the activity of the creature, including
its disappearance. Wow. And you ask about you know, what
is there any evidence of you know, military activity. Well,
when we went out on the porch of the main
building to kind of like go debrief ourselves and you know,
(40:15):
get a breath, guess what flew over? Of course the
Black Hall helicopter.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
Wow, right on cue huh yeah, Well we couldn't believe it.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
Maybe it was an accident, who knows.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
I highly doubt it. Did you or anyone working on
this project have any experience like something following you home
or have strange experiences after you were finished with the project?
Speaker 3 (40:47):
No, uh, you know the hitchhiker effect, right?
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Yes? Absolutely? Uh?
Speaker 3 (40:55):
Actually CJ did. She lives in Florida and she talk
to me about some of the She she has a
connection with a bigfoot, she says, in some way, and
that yeah, disturbing things going on. The other psychic said,
we ain't going near that that spot anymore. We don't
(41:17):
want any hitchhiker effects. So but as far as I know,
none of the crew or Allen or I or Benjamin
had any effects. Benjamin's gone back there with some huge
new Tesla coile. You can bring these beings up and
they can interact with people now, and he's got that
(41:38):
on film. Touch each other.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
Oh, that's something that's interesting. I locally, we have a
UFO investigator that I work with in Kansas City and
his made oar unit went off one day, his made
our unit. It's it's a UFO detection device and from
(42:08):
a nightcap and so that went off. It got his attention.
All the electricity went off in his house. Their cell
phones went out for a few minutes and came back on,
and he just he doesn't know even know why he
did this, but he pulled up his SLS on the
(42:30):
cell phone when it came back on and started just
scanning the room. And here is something sitting on his
couch just like what you showed a minute ago on
the SLS. So he thinks it was an ET.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
Yeah, I wish I couldn't explain this better. You know,
it's kind of impossible, isn't it in a way.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
Oh, it isn't It is impossible, But it's just it's
interesting that he was able to capture something that triggered
the Madear device, which is always a UFO when that happens.
And at the same time he's getting so, you know,
he thinks that that was an ET that he captured
and yeah, I've got to I've got a picture of it.
(43:16):
I can send you if you want to see it.
Speaker 3 (43:18):
Sure, And so anybody that sees the movie will see
the full play out of our interaction with this entity
and the main building and the lead up to it,
and then and then the corresponding graphic display of the
activity that Benjamin recorded and was eventually able to, you know,
have a stream across the computer that you can see
(43:41):
that it pretty much documents the activity.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (43:46):
You're gonna seen plasma balls out there. It was a
wonderful series of photographs he shot where there's this huge
orange plasma ball ball, uh, moving along slightly. So it's
it's it's a cool place. If you if you if
you did any better, you One of the interesting things
(44:08):
compared to Skinwalker Ranch, is that except for stepping in
the in that portal place, there's nothing bad has ever
happened there outside of that, No mutilations, No, nothing bad,
And people have been out there a lot. It's a
(44:28):
friendly spot. So maybe because we're not poking and we're
asking for contact in a friendly way whatever it is,
it reacts in differently.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
And you're yeah, you're not poking them so to speak,
or antagonizing them.
Speaker 3 (44:45):
No, that's good.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
I don't believe in that. I think you'll always get
something negative come through when you do that.
Speaker 3 (44:54):
So I don't know if you ever talked to the
people at Skinwalker Ranch.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
No, I have no. I've remote viewed skin Walker and Bradshaw,
and I saw portals at both of those locations long
before anybody talked about portals. Yeah, so they're real.
Speaker 3 (45:16):
Yeah, you know Big Oelo who owned the property first. Yeah,
and the government did a lot of investigation around it,
but not in it. I think it's called skin Walker
and the Pentagon. It's the book written about it. But
I was told by that the reason Big Old Salt
(45:40):
sold it is that he was bringing crap home. His
wife didn't like it. The Hitchhiker effect him. And you know,
I spoke there and showed a movie there, and and
I you know, casually know all the people to some
extent that you see on television. I would sit in
the green room and they would tell a lot of
(46:03):
stories about unpleasant things that happened to them all, especially
Winterton really got zapped. But you know, when you're running
a series and the showrunners only a lot of certain
things to be spoken about and shown, of course, Oh.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
Yes, I often wonder what they're not talking about.
Speaker 3 (46:24):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I was in the business for
a long time, and you know, like when they were
doing Finding Bigfoot. You know, if you talk to any
of the people that were there, they all saw crazy
stuff and film it. They never put it into the series.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
Yeah. I know someone who used to work as a
photographer on that series and told me, he told me
things that didn't get didn't make the cut. They didn't
want to actually show Bigfoot walking across the field.
Speaker 3 (46:56):
So yeah, yeah, and you know, and then with an
orc following him and things like that. Yeah, and of
course the expedition Bigfoot. You know Ronnie o'bonk, he's he
will tell stories of many things that were paranormal that
showed up and did you know moneymaker un changed. Yeah,
(47:18):
nothing's now come around to the paranormal aspect of Bigfoot.
And you know that's.
Speaker 2 (47:24):
That's good because I think a lot of investigators who
have been either strictly UFO or strictly paranormal or strictly Bigfoot,
they're realizing that all of these things are connected. And yeah,
you've got an excellent place there at Bradshaw because you've
pretty much got everything.
Speaker 3 (47:41):
Absolutely And I totally believe that's the message I want
to get across, is that this stuff is all connected
in some way, and it's and in some way that
alludes the mechanistic, materialistic view of our you know, current science.
That's you know, the dog mother gets all the funding.
(48:03):
If I've done a lot of interviewed that done a
lot of stuff, and they'll they'll speak that line, Uh
I'm off camera that Yeah, No, we don't believe in that.
We're not. Everything's predetermined for sure.
Speaker 2 (48:20):
So what what projects do you have coming up? I
know you're you're not sitting still. I know you've got
something going.
Speaker 3 (48:27):
Yeah, we were. We just recently went out to to
this place called Broadcam crystal Mind, which is a place
of many much paranormal activity. And I'm doing us a
book on near death experiences, and I just completed a
(48:48):
film where modern day mystic interacts with some good communicators
of their near death experiences and comparing again bringing this this.
This is all one sort of phenomenon aspect to light.
So we took this this one. Do you know who
(49:10):
Ray Hernandez is. You probably know him.
Speaker 2 (49:13):
I know him very well. I wrote a chapter for
one of his books.
Speaker 3 (49:16):
So this woman be Linda Grier, he says, is one
of the five most It's hard to say what this is,
but she's had experienced almost every kind of weird thing
you can imagine, bigfoot, UFOs, two near death experiences, alien
(49:37):
entities talking to her from the side talking about her,
a white portal light shining up which connects to this place,
which was the trigger effect for this place, a broadcast
crystal wind. So we took her to revisit all these things,
and we had some really strange stuff happening, and they
(50:00):
they got including the abduction of one of the owners
and another person there that they documented on films. So
that's one of the new films they're working on.
Speaker 2 (50:12):
I know one of the physicists that has been to
board Camp many many times, and he told me about
that experience, and there's definitely a major portal there.
Speaker 3 (50:25):
Yeah, and they captured this amazing triangular three light UFO
on their security camera.
Speaker 2 (50:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (50:36):
Then we checked it out and it's real. It's not big.
So that's you know, I'm writing a book. I mentioned
it to you. Jesus had a near death experience.
Speaker 2 (50:46):
Oh yes, how is that going.
Speaker 3 (50:49):
We're up to about forty thousand words right now.
Speaker 2 (50:53):
Okay, so what are you going to do about sixty thousand?
Speaker 3 (50:58):
I think it'll get about there, maybe fifty five something
like that on the third, third act. Right now, we're
racing towards conclusion. You said you might be interested in
looking at it.
Speaker 2 (51:13):
Yeah, yeah, well we'll definitely talk about that.
Speaker 3 (51:17):
So that's been fun. Jesus probably did have a near
death experience, and I kind of think that might be
the case because a lot of these illuminaries the creative
religions had some sort of altered state experience, you know,
we want when he went out into the desert and
(51:38):
so on, maybe something like that happened.
Speaker 2 (51:41):
Yes, And and I'd like to know where he was
for twelve years.
Speaker 3 (51:47):
Yeah, well mysteries, you know, it all goes back to
this place in Greece where the Elusian mystery schools, where
all these smart people that were made all as great
discoveries of everything we of our science. They all went
there and had some sort of near death experience that
came back and lightened you know, Playtos, Socrates, Archimedianes, all
(52:11):
these people. And it builds on that idea that you
could create a medically induced near death experience which would
replace you know, kind of the drug they might have used,
you know, to create an altered state.
Speaker 2 (52:25):
Interesting. Yes, that's that's an interesting take on It does
make you wonder if it wasn't something that was artificially
induced in order to create a superhuman basically.
Speaker 3 (52:42):
Yeah. Yeah, And anyhow, we finally had a really weird experience.
You got time for me to say it.
Speaker 2 (52:50):
Yeah, we've got about three minutes, go ahead, Okay.
Speaker 3 (52:53):
The last night we were sitting around the campfire, we
got into a meditated state to a chat, and the
four of us we were walking out of this clearing
to go to the car and cabin, and something came
crashing through the canopy and it landed with a huge
stump right in front of Allen and this would be
(53:16):
you know, probably two and a half stories high through
the canopy. Oh mind. It turned out to be something
that took a piece of was water sock. There was
a stump sitting there and taking ripped out about a
third of it, and that's what came flying through the air.
(53:38):
I was legging, so I only heard it coming through
the trees. But Alan and Melinda Bosacks scared the heck
out of Allen because it landed about three feet in
front of him, and the cameraman who was going towards
the house heard the thumb thought somebody had fallen. How
do you explain that?
Speaker 2 (53:56):
Oh? What do you think? That was a message?
Speaker 3 (54:00):
It's certainly a message. I can't imagine anything other than
some kind of levitation, which relates back to broadcast Crystal Mind,
because they have levitating rock there. Yeah, and al One
has another kind of levitating rock experience three years ago,
so it's all connecting up in some way again.
Speaker 2 (54:21):
Oh boy, Well, I'm going to hear more about that
and definitely keep in touch about your new projects so
we can have you back on the show.
Speaker 3 (54:32):
And that cruise. I took that cruise, you know, a
few years aback, not as a UFO or anything like that.
It's a marvelous cruise. Make sure you get off and
run around to some of the nature things you can
do at the stops.
Speaker 2 (54:46):
Oh, most definitely, that's in the plans for sure.
Speaker 3 (54:49):
Excellent. Yeah, it's a wonderful trip.
Speaker 2 (54:52):
All right. Well, Ron, thank you so much for taking
time out of your busy schedule to join us this evening.
Speaker 3 (54:57):
Good to hang on with you again, Margine.
Speaker 1 (55:00):
It was fun, all right.
Speaker 2 (55:01):
I'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 3 (55:03):
Take care now, hm you too.
Speaker 2 (55:05):
Bye bye.
It's time for the unexed News news extraterrestrials, ton anomalies, dementia, dimensions,
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(00:27):
for everything unexplained. Here is your host for the unex
News podcast, Margie K.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Hello and welcome to UNEX News. I'm your host, Margie K,
and we're here every Friday at six pm Central seven
pm Eastern. I'm glad you could join me this evening.
We have a few really interesting things coming up this year,
of course is it seems to be the year of
good conferences, and among them, I'm just going to mention
(01:11):
a couple here, the move On Symposium in July near
Dallas Fort Worth, Texas. Check that out. I will be
there along with Race Hobbs. So come visit us and
say hi at the UNEX Network table. And then I
am a speaker at the Contact at Sea Cruise in September,
(01:34):
going from Seattle to Alaska. That is going to be
a really good conference with a lot of great speakers,
so check that out. And of course we have XCN
coming up in October and our early bird ticket sales
are available right now, my guest, this evening, he is
(01:56):
back for another session of an ex. Ronald Meyer owns
a film production company called Center Communications. He's produced and
directed feature films and award winning documentaries. Ron is an
author and co author of four novels. He leads flow
workshops and is a fifth black belt in IQTO. Recently,
(02:17):
he produced the number one streaming documentary series on Amazon
Prime about serial killers. Ronald started collectively collecting fossils at
the early age of fourteen. Since then, he and his
collecting buddy gerald O. Gunderson discovered three of the world's
soft bodied sites, including the Brandon Bridge fauna. He has
(02:40):
two ancient species named after him and has co authored
multiple palaeot paleontological peer reviewed papers. Can't talk this evening.
He lives in Louisville or Louisville, Colorado. We'll figure out
the pronunciation of that. Welcome to the program.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Ron Margin, it's good to be here. Then we say Lewisville.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Here, you say Louisville. Okay, if.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
It's spelled the same way, Yes, yes it is.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Oh, it's good to see you again. It's been a while.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
It has been last time.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Last time was the ex conference where you spoke and
showed a film that was quite interesting. But tonight we're
going to talk about the Bradshaw Ranch, which I know
that's a fascinating subject. A lot of people are interested
in that, and you've done quite extensive investigations there, haven't you.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Yes, we investigated and filmed the place over a period
of a year, starting in twenty twenty two with the fallen,
ending in the spring of twenty twenty three, gathering enough
material to put together a movie about our experiences. What
we were able to capture was it's certainly a place
of high strangeness. Where would you like to start?
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Well, what sorts of strange things occur there?
Speaker 3 (04:07):
So it was a series of synchronicities that we ended
up there at all, and we had to go through
quite a few people to get to figure out how
to start filming there. It started with contacting some It's
near Sedona, Arizona, which has numerous for Texas and a
paranormal hotspot. And as the curl flies, Bradshaw Ranches probably
(04:35):
fifteen or twenty miles so they share the night sky.
So if you see a UAP over Sedonia could very
well be over Bradshaw Ranch and there are plenty to
see and there are you know, people who put on
events that you can join and go use high high
definition binoculars and see a lot of UAPs, which we did.
(04:58):
But one of our first content there was a woman
named Melissa lent Leslie and she runs one of those
those night affairs to see UAPs. She put me in
touch with Tom Dongo, who did the original research on
Bradshaw Rancho and was still owned by the Bradshaws and
the remaining survivor was Linda Bradshaw, and they had many
strange experiences back then. Each wrote a book on it
(05:23):
and from there Tom Dongo has has been mentoring. Somebody's
name is Hudu Tall or Jorgan Hess. He goes by
and he was our man on the ground for when
we were there, when we weren't there, and it took
quite a while to set that up. And so our first,
our first event we went there was in the Fallows
(05:47):
at twenty twenty two and we met with Jurgen and
we went out there during the day and he was
pretty obsessed with the fact that Bigfoot was out there.
That was his main focus in some ways focused in UAPs,
and there's plenty of strange footprints out there. Three toad
(06:07):
footprints once you can't even explain, and plenty that would
you know, be big footprints by most definitions. And it's
a large property. The property itself was settled at the
turn of the twentieth century, and like Skinwalker Ranch, there
(06:28):
was an original adobe house, you know, it goes way
back then, and then they built a larger building that
occupied that that acted as a place for people to
stay and live, and it was a movie set for
a while. And then completing the triangle of the major
(06:49):
properties is a windmill that pumped water and stored water
for the people that were there. So one time it
was a set where Elvis Presley and John Wayne and
many illuminaries of the Old West shots or movies there.
It has a long history. Then it turned into a
working ranch and then kind of a dude ranch where
(07:10):
people would come and do do things and horses and
stuff like that. So it's been occupied but right now
to totally abandoned facility that's owned by the government, our government.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Uh huh, kind of like Skinwalker.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Well, Skinwalker was never really owned by the government. It
was owned by Bigelow Well look for the government and
helped build the space station, and then it was acquired
by Brandon Fugel. Interestingly, Brandon Fugel tried to buy the
property during the time we were exploring that he wasn't
weren't there at the same time, but Jurgen has took
(07:51):
him around and showed him and the government's not selling
why they owned this piece of property is a bit
of a mystery. The time they're studying the environmental impact
on native species, Well, there aren't a lot of native
species there because it was a working range, so and
(08:11):
we did find evidence that that they might have been
doing something. There was an older band relatively modern abandoned
weather station, but there's also a highly sensitive equipment that
was left behind and for a while, I mean for
a while, there's a gate that locks the thing, and
(08:34):
sometimes it's open and sometimes it's not. It's not not open.
Everybody crawls underneath a particular part of the fence in
that and it's many people have visited it.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
So it's is it off limits to people or you know,
how does that work if the government owns it?
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Right now that there's it seems like if you want
to go there, You can go there. People are going
there all the time.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Okay, well you were there, did you see any evidence
of government agents keeping an ru or planes or helicopters
things like that. Not.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Really, there was no evidence of any government personnel there.
When we were there. A couple other people, a couple
showed up and she were the old buildings and there's
a lot of graffiti inside the buildings, so people have
been there many times. One of the strangest events we
had is started when so the first the first day
(09:35):
we went there with Jurgen, we went out to the well,
we ran around and shot v wrold because we're making
a movie and you need a lot of footage of
all the buildings and the set up and flying a
drone to get aerials and all that sort of stuff.
So we did that and then we thought we would
As far as we knew at that time, nobody had
(09:56):
done any kind of investigation using any kind of a equipment.
And my associate and then in law, Alan mcgargo, brought
his ghost detecting equipment. So we went out to the
to the windmill and did a little stuff with the rampod.
Do you do your audience know what apt is.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
They absolutely do yes.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
And we did a little bit of investigating and questioning,
mainly along the lines are their ghosts of the They
passed people who owned the Brandshaws and got nothing. But
when we ask is there's something that's aware of us,
we got a very positive response. We thought that was
(10:41):
cool well that we thought maybe that's the key to
the investigation there, because Tom Dongo and Linda Branchhaw always
described they felt that it was like Grand Central Station,
that there were beings who were aware of them at
all times. And so we went after doing all this
(11:01):
work in the afternoon, we went to get some food
in Sedona and we decided we'd drive back. I called
Tom Donald and said what time should we be there?
He said that be there at seven o'clock, which would
indicate at that time of the year would be dark.
And so we agreed to meet Jurgen at You take
(11:22):
a road south out of Sedona and then you drive
out of Gravel Road that takes your right to Bradshaw Ran.
It takes a half hour pretty much on the on
the dot, not a lot of traffic. But for some reason,
I mean, we know that Jurgen arrived at six point
thirty because we texted and said we're here, join us.
(11:45):
So we jumped in our vehicle. We started driving, and
he hadn't driven out there many times, and we found
ourselves lost. How get lost, I don't know, and we
were seeing things we hadn't seen before, and everybody, including
Jurgen and cameraman and myself and and my son in law,
(12:10):
we all felt something was really weird going on, like
how can we be lost in it? The world just
didn't seem right, And at one point we almost drove
off a ledge and we said, God, this kid, this
is impossible. How can this be? Then all of a sudden,
we're back on the gravel road. And interestingly we arrived
(12:33):
after doing this at seven o'clock as we should have.
Oh boy, so that was, you know, what I would
call a time slip. Yeah, we got an extra half
hour of life in some way, or we're bilocating, I
don't know, but we had a very sophisticated GPS system
(12:53):
and we looked at it. We were going like this,
wandering around like a piece of spaghetti plate. So you're
familiar with time slips.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Oh, absolutely, And I've experienced some myself.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Yeah. Recently, I interviewed pH As at Water. She's a
near death experiencer and researcher kind of a She's like
eighty six years old and like a Buddha person, laughing
all the time. And I told her about this experience
as she said, oh, yeah, I'm familiar with that. I
can control it. I have to write a book in
(13:32):
a month. I can do that. I'll just get some
extra time, a book on UAPs and new death experiences.
So that first night we started filming in the main building,
which is a large one, and we were again Jorgen
(13:55):
was pretty insistent on trying the using the technology to
round up ghosts, you know again, and we weren't getting anything.
But then when we said, is there something here that's
that's aware of us, Alan had the you know what
a SLS device is on your phone or the camera.
(14:19):
It puts out an infrared signal and picks up on
things that might have by being human form. It was
developed to have have a hands free system on the
Microsoft's gaming system. So it was it was programmed to
recognize the human body and tracked the movements of the
(14:39):
arm primarily, and Alan got on his on his SLS
phone an entity sitting in on a cabinet, and we
thought that's really cool and it was quite surprising. And
then we found another one sitting in the chair, so
that that actually stimulated us to say we should buy
(15:03):
the big camera because that's more effective. But that was
that was what happened in the main building. But on
this we moved to the Adobe house. We again set
up in the same way and when we said, is
there's something here that can can is aware of us?
(15:23):
Alan looked out the window and for you know, like
fifteen years, he wanted to see a big point and
he saw one. Do you have the picture? I sent
you a picture of it.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Let me see what we've got here. I've got this one.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
That's not it. No trying another there. Look from on
my perspective, it's on the left side.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Yes, yeah, that's pretty clear.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Yeah. And he unfortunately when he saw that, he was
in this kind of a trance like state and the
cameraman was focused on him and for roughly a minute
in twenty seconds, he just watched it and he couldn't speak,
so he didn't say, well, there's something out there, and
(16:19):
so he was he was thrilled to finally see a
big foot and it's in that kind of crouchy position
that's often described. And Melinda Leslie said, yeah, there's a bigfoot.
Everybody's seen her. It's called big Gal And so that
was that was that was pretty darn exciting for us
to to have that experience, which was enough to trigger
(16:44):
a much larger, full scale of investigation in the spring.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Has anyone ever seen extraterrestrials, you know, standing around on
the ground or in the houses?
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Well, let me see. I don't know if they've seen
apparitions like I haven't talked to Tom Doango about that,
but later on we captured them quite clearly on our
Solus camera and interacted with them.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
By any chance, did you use a spectrum analyzer at
any point?
Speaker 3 (17:22):
We did not so, but on our return we went
back and talked to Melanda Leslie and she says, there's
a place there between the Adobe house and the big building,
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a very clear spot which we everybody thinks is the
portal the things come through and if you're standing in it,
she's described as being filled with electricity. And Jerga knew
of it and had walked with rods and went crazy there.
So we thought that should be. Our first attempt is
(18:07):
to see if we can identify that that possible portal.
And we had hooked up with somebody from Colorado, a
psychic person c J, and she had gone up before
us and knew of the spot, and once she got
(18:29):
into it, she kind of buckled over and pain and
had to get out of there. And as we were
driving to the side, she was leaving, and we said, well, no, no,
come back and show us where that spot was. And
she had three other psychics with her and they had
all experienced something unusual, so we were able to pretty
much pin down where that spot was. And the first
(18:53):
thing we did is, you know, there's is we got
out our trifield meter and walked around with it, and
we could easily identify an area of intense magnetic radiation,
you know, and as he walked around with this thing,
he was fluctuating like crazy. So the next thing we
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did is we got out our thermal and sure enough,
floating about seven feet above the ground was an intense
cold spot with a little hot spot in the middle,
which a couple scientists have identified as a plasmoid, which
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was they think triggered the opening of the portal.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Ah.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Interestingly, we had also at that point decided to bring
a little Tessa coil because we had heard that when
these things, interdimensional entities need to materialize, they need to
draw energy from some source. Usually let's the environment. And
that's why people who have experienced cold in places like
(20:07):
a Skinwalker ranch, they experience that. People who go go something,
they feel the coldness, and that's that's sucking the energy
to kind of materialize. So we thought if we gave
it a little something, a little something, a little boost
from our Tesla coil, he would give him a little
juice from a magnetic field and a little bit of plasma.
(20:30):
And you've been using it ever since with a great
deal of success. So the next thing we did is
and and we all, as we all got kind of
physically biologically upset by being in that space was not
healthy for our biology. And do you know Sime and Heine,
(20:57):
he's a scientist of a start, And the speculation is
that if your two universes or two inter dimensions are
coming together with different slightly different physical constants that are
our biology does not sit well with that. And it's
(21:17):
a well documented phenomena that they're showing in labs now.
So we all experienced it in slightly different ways. Some
of me. I felt pain in my weak spot where
I separated my shoulder. Other people were just nauseated, and
poor Allen had to go back and sit in his
bedroom for the night, which was not pleasant. But anyhow,
(21:44):
after we moved on a bit and came back, it
was gone. The phenomena was gone. But what we decided
to do was the set up our trail cab on
the spot. And if you pull up that first picture,
then I should do this one. Yeah, see something like
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a pyramid.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
There, Yeah, sure, do right in the middle.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
So that was there the whole time, and twice this
is this is a scream grab from a single frame
in a movie. And at one point there were orbs
pouring out of that that spot. That spot is right
over there where we did our measurements, and you can
(22:33):
see it sort of translucent in a way. It's not
a solid, it's almost like a shadow, right, Yeah, And
these orbs came pouring out like out of it from
the ground, not from the top, you know, maybe fifty
or sixty of them, just pouring out. And it was
a quiet night and the grass was not moving. So
(22:53):
it was not it was not air blowing stuff around.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Did you see that with the naked eye?
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Did not see it with the naked eye? This is
you know, infrared.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Okay. Interesting, there's kind of a field around it too,
and above.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
It there is there is And interestingly, the last job
we had when we packed up to leave, the phenomena
they are phenomena appeared again. This time they are going back.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Oh wow, it's like you're coming out of a portal
and going back to it.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Yeah. And I showed that somebody who's a forensic person
from mufon, you know, a while back, and he said, oh,
I said, what's this? He said, oh, that's an intromensional portal.
I said tell me more and he said I can't.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Whatever that.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Okay, yeah, because a gentleman of some sort. I.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
I'm working on some portal investigations right now, five in fact,
and there are some commonalities with them. They do open
and close. Did you seem to find any type of
a pattern with that portal opening and closing.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
We didn't really investigate it much because we wanted to
do other things. It'd be something somebody could do. There's
no doubt that you're going to have experienced it multiple
times in terms of affecting him, were not affecting him.
It seems to be pretty much that's the spot.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
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And we're back Margie k the host of unex News,
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Radio Network with my special guests this evening, Ron Meyer,
we're talking about the Bradshaw Ranch. Ron what else occurred
there at the ranch that was something completely out of
(28:20):
the ordinary that you weren't expecting.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Interacting with an illil intelligence.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
That's a good one, do tell.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
So the first night on on the second visit there,
we ran around with the SLS connect camera that we
had bought and subsequently going from room to room and
we picked up on it, you know, these stick figure
type things, but they were they weren't really in human form,
(28:55):
and they kind of appeared to be dancing in a
way because it sends out an infrared signal then then
picks this stuff up and so if there's atmospheric disturbances,
which you know usually there's some change in temperature, it
makes it look like these figures are kind of moving
and dancing in a way that's an artifact of the
(29:16):
device itself. But sometimes you'll get in a room or
it's all very quiet, and they're very steady, and so
we were quite hopeful that there was something lurking in
that in that main building that wanted to make contact
with us. And Jurgen had arranged with a fellow named
(29:37):
Benjamin long Tree, electrical engineer who is one of these
tinkerers and builds electric equipment, and he had done the
definitive study of the vortexas at in Sedona on those
bluff You know, have you been to Sedona?
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (29:54):
I have, so you know that there's at least five
places where they you know, struck sure is that where
they think there are vort texas. Yes, He's been pretty
able to pretty he's documented him quite readily, and they
come and go and the unit they are, they they
(30:15):
form of magnetic field and magnetic field to have a
positive and negative side, you know, the negative and positive pole.
So the field goes comes out of the ground and
goes back into the ground. And if you're on the
part where it's coming out of the ground, it's euphoric
(30:35):
and wonderful and blissful. And if you're on the part
where it's going into the ground, I feel like crap.
That's what he said. And he's pretty much been able
to document that. So we brought Jurgen brought him out
and it was a good idea to see what he
could do with his equipment. And he has a giant
magnetometer that he uses to detect any kind of disturbances
(30:57):
in the magnetic field, are positive or negative ions plasma
and he he was to I wanted to set up
a baseline, and he went into the Adobe house and
did some recordings and you could see that there were
he was pretty active little spikes, you know, little spikes,
(31:19):
positive and negative spikes come ions. You know, a plasma
is made of so it's it's generally an active area.
And he thinks that the substrate, which is iron oxide
sand on top and then below it is a dome
of crystals, crystal dome parts, and that acts like an
(31:41):
antenna to attract or energize beings. That's why there's it's
so active there. Interesting. Also, Jorgan took us to a
nearby hidden rock art panel which we filmed, and there's
one one one panel which has people looking up to
(32:04):
perfectly pecked UFOs amazing, which is like twelve hundred years ago,
and there's a good depiction of a big foot holding
up something. So it's been active for many years. That
spot for people.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Is that I assume that's in your film.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Oh yeah, pretty cool to see. I was like, god,
that's like a classic drawing of a UFO back in
the day with the dome on top and the Yeah, yeah,
pretty amazing.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
How long did it take you to make the film?
Speaker 3 (32:44):
I mean to put it together in the end, well.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
From your investigation time until it was finished, I.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Would say a year and two thirds almost two years.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
I like that. You know, when you film, you're shooting.
We had multiple cameras. As the person who writes the script,
I have to log everything sotime you see stuff you
never saw. Like at one time there was a UAP
flickering following Jergen and and Alan as they walked from
(33:21):
the main building to the Adobe building, where he saw
his bigfoot was tracking him. Now nobody saw that, you
know why. But when you look at the footage there
it is the Other thing we saw is that immediately
after Alan had his bigfoot experience, we asked him to
describe it, and outside of a window another window in
(33:46):
the Adobe house was another light, bright light, not a reflection,
and as he was talking, it SYNCD up with him.
So then he said, and then the bigfoot moved, and
the thing moved, and then it flickered and light flickered,
So you don't see that. And Taste started looking at
the footage. So we catch a multiple U I P
(34:08):
phenomena we never even saw. At one point, we got
a mass of them streaming across the sky moving. We
never saw it.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Oh yeah, yeah, Well, the camera picks up more of
the light spectrum anyway, even just a regular camera, if
you get into infrared or night vision, that's you're going
to catch catch a lot more.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
I think it's easier for the for whatever these things
have to materialize in the infrared range than in the
you know, the visible light or something like X ray
or ultra violet.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
Takes less energy because you know, the breakthrough phenomena would
be less difficult. And anyhow, so getting back to our
big experience experience is that so Ben lone Tree established
a baseline and then we went and he took it
into the main building on a bench, and he wanted
(35:17):
to he wanted to set up that baseline again so
he'd have you know, a level so he could see
if something was changing and so on. And he couldn't
do it. He just see something was fighting him. And
we got our SLS device and we could see there
was an entity messing room oh no kidding, yeah, which
(35:42):
was really crazy. At the same time we had set
our we knew that our TESLA call we didn't want
to put it too close to his magnetometer, so we
had about twenty five feet away, and at one point
we captured on the SLS the entity touching with like
(36:03):
a handle like thing, touching the test of a while,
then touching lawn Tree's computer, and then touching them both together,
spanning twenty five feet.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
But it was not. It was not in a good
human form, and then in the end of this sequence
it established kind of a human form for us.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
I've got one picture here I think might be that.
Oh yeah, it's an SLS. What is this one?
Speaker 3 (36:38):
So eventually this entity showed up and if you can
see I can't point to it, but if you look
that there's a thing that would represent its head looking
down at that light below can see that, uh huh,
but the headlight structure feet and it was sitting in
(37:01):
a chair for quite a period of time, and I
shined my laser. That's my laser. That light, there is
a laser beam. It looked down at it and kicked it.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Oh my goodness. Well now you know they can see
laser light, and that it.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
Was certainly aware of its environment. It was aware of us.
Jorgen was sitting. Jurgen ran up there was bold and
sat on it, and it popped up to the ceiling. Oh,
and then he got off and he came back in
the chair and Jergen sat on it again, popped up
to the ceiling and disappeared for the night. But we
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were amazed that that thing was actually kicking the laser light.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
That would be, oh my gosh, I've got two more. Well,
of course, here's the graphic.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
So we wrote a book right there. That's it. That's it.
We could explain a lot more than you can explain
in a movie in the book. And that's available on
Amazon and Barnes and Noble and digital and hard copy form.
And the other thing is the movie. No, that's a story.
(38:22):
The other way around. This is the book.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
This is the book and the other one is the movie.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
Okay, that's right, and they're they're both available.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Now. How can people see the movie?
Speaker 3 (38:33):
You can go to Amazon dot com and Amazon.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Prime, Amazon Prime. Okay, okay. Any chance it'll be on
Netflix or anything like that.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
No, it'll probably end up on two B and some
of those other platforms. You know, Netflix is pretty exclusive,
if if it if it's showing something nobody else is showing,
but everybody else is is exclusive, so it could end
up on you know, multiple platforms eventually. But the distributor
(39:07):
likes to bring these things out in a way that
optimizes their modernization of it. Surprisingly, the nice thing was
that the publisher and the distributor worked together to create
the cover art for both of them. As you can
see there's a similarity, which was cool.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
Yeah, time to do that. Good graphics on that.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
Yeah. So so just to wrap up the entityde so,
Benjamin had his system going, you know, recording in a
different way the activity, and the activity shows huge spikes
in the in the display which we show in the movie.
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It corresponds to all the activity of the creature, including
its disappearance. Wow. And you ask about you know, what
is there any evidence of you know, military activity. Well,
when we went out on the porch of the main
building to kind of like go debrief ourselves and you know,
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get a breath, guess what flew over? Of course the
Black Hall helicopter.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
Wow, right on cue huh yeah, Well we couldn't believe it.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
Maybe it was an accident, who knows.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
I highly doubt it. Did you or anyone working on
this project have any experience like something following you home
or have strange experiences after you were finished with the project?
Speaker 3 (40:47):
No, uh, you know the hitchhiker effect, right?
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Yes? Absolutely? Uh?
Speaker 3 (40:55):
Actually CJ did. She lives in Florida and she talk
to me about some of the She she has a
connection with a bigfoot, she says, in some way, and
that yeah, disturbing things going on. The other psychic said,
we ain't going near that that spot anymore. We don't
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want any hitchhiker effects. So but as far as I know,
none of the crew or Allen or I or Benjamin
had any effects. Benjamin's gone back there with some huge
new Tesla coile. You can bring these beings up and
they can interact with people now, and he's got that
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on film. Touch each other.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
Oh, that's something that's interesting. I locally, we have a
UFO investigator that I work with in Kansas City and
his made oar unit went off one day, his made
our unit. It's it's a UFO detection device and from
(42:08):
a nightcap and so that went off. It got his attention.
All the electricity went off in his house. Their cell
phones went out for a few minutes and came back on,
and he just he doesn't know even know why he
did this, but he pulled up his SLS on the
(42:30):
cell phone when it came back on and started just
scanning the room. And here is something sitting on his
couch just like what you showed a minute ago on
the SLS. So he thinks it was an ET.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
Yeah, I wish I couldn't explain this better. You know,
it's kind of impossible, isn't it in a way.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
Oh, it isn't It is impossible, But it's just it's
interesting that he was able to capture something that triggered
the Madear device, which is always a UFO when that happens.
And at the same time he's getting so, you know,
he thinks that that was an ET that he captured
and yeah, I've got to I've got a picture of it.
(43:16):
I can send you if you want to see it.
Speaker 3 (43:18):
Sure, And so anybody that sees the movie will see
the full play out of our interaction with this entity
and the main building and the lead up to it,
and then and then the corresponding graphic display of the
activity that Benjamin recorded and was eventually able to, you know,
have a stream across the computer that you can see
(43:41):
that it pretty much documents the activity.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (43:46):
You're gonna seen plasma balls out there. It was a
wonderful series of photographs he shot where there's this huge
orange plasma ball ball, uh, moving along slightly. So it's
it's it's a cool place. If you if you if
you did any better, you One of the interesting things
(44:08):
compared to Skinwalker Ranch, is that except for stepping in
the in that portal place, there's nothing bad has ever
happened there outside of that, No mutilations, No, nothing bad,
And people have been out there a lot. It's a
(44:28):
friendly spot. So maybe because we're not poking and we're
asking for contact in a friendly way whatever it is,
it reacts in differently.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
And you're yeah, you're not poking them so to speak,
or antagonizing them.
Speaker 3 (44:45):
No, that's good.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
I don't believe in that. I think you'll always get
something negative come through when you do that.
Speaker 3 (44:54):
So I don't know if you ever talked to the
people at Skinwalker Ranch.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
No, I have no. I've remote viewed skin Walker and Bradshaw,
and I saw portals at both of those locations long
before anybody talked about portals. Yeah, so they're real.
Speaker 3 (45:16):
Yeah, you know Big Oelo who owned the property first. Yeah,
and the government did a lot of investigation around it,
but not in it. I think it's called skin Walker
and the Pentagon. It's the book written about it. But
I was told by that the reason Big Old Salt
(45:40):
sold it is that he was bringing crap home. His
wife didn't like it. The Hitchhiker effect him. And you know,
I spoke there and showed a movie there, and and
I you know, casually know all the people to some
extent that you see on television. I would sit in
the green room and they would tell a lot of
(46:03):
stories about unpleasant things that happened to them all, especially
Winterton really got zapped. But you know, when you're running
a series and the showrunners only a lot of certain
things to be spoken about and shown, of course, Oh.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
Yes, I often wonder what they're not talking about.
Speaker 3 (46:24):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I was in the business for
a long time, and you know, like when they were
doing Finding Bigfoot. You know, if you talk to any
of the people that were there, they all saw crazy
stuff and film it. They never put it into the series.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
Yeah. I know someone who used to work as a
photographer on that series and told me, he told me
things that didn't get didn't make the cut. They didn't
want to actually show Bigfoot walking across the field.
Speaker 3 (46:56):
So yeah, yeah, and you know, and then with an
orc following him and things like that. Yeah, and of
course the expedition Bigfoot. You know Ronnie o'bonk, he's he
will tell stories of many things that were paranormal that
showed up and did you know moneymaker un changed. Yeah,
(47:18):
nothing's now come around to the paranormal aspect of Bigfoot.
And you know that's.
Speaker 2 (47:24):
That's good because I think a lot of investigators who
have been either strictly UFO or strictly paranormal or strictly Bigfoot,
they're realizing that all of these things are connected. And yeah,
you've got an excellent place there at Bradshaw because you've
pretty much got everything.
Speaker 3 (47:41):
Absolutely And I totally believe that's the message I want
to get across, is that this stuff is all connected
in some way, and it's and in some way that
alludes the mechanistic, materialistic view of our you know, current science.
That's you know, the dog mother gets all the funding.
(48:03):
If I've done a lot of interviewed that done a
lot of stuff, and they'll they'll speak that line, Uh
I'm off camera that Yeah, No, we don't believe in that.
We're not. Everything's predetermined for sure.
Speaker 2 (48:20):
So what what projects do you have coming up? I
know you're you're not sitting still. I know you've got
something going.
Speaker 3 (48:27):
Yeah, we were. We just recently went out to to
this place called Broadcam crystal Mind, which is a place
of many much paranormal activity. And I'm doing us a
book on near death experiences, and I just completed a
(48:48):
film where modern day mystic interacts with some good communicators
of their near death experiences and comparing again bringing this this.
This is all one sort of phenomenon aspect to light.
So we took this this one. Do you know who
(49:10):
Ray Hernandez is. You probably know him.
Speaker 2 (49:13):
I know him very well. I wrote a chapter for
one of his books.
Speaker 3 (49:16):
So this woman be Linda Grier, he says, is one
of the five most It's hard to say what this is,
but she's had experienced almost every kind of weird thing
you can imagine, bigfoot, UFOs, two near death experiences, alien
(49:37):
entities talking to her from the side talking about her,
a white portal light shining up which connects to this place,
which was the trigger effect for this place, a broadcast
crystal wind. So we took her to revisit all these things,
and we had some really strange stuff happening, and they
(50:00):
they got including the abduction of one of the owners
and another person there that they documented on films. So
that's one of the new films they're working on.
Speaker 2 (50:12):
I know one of the physicists that has been to
board Camp many many times, and he told me about
that experience, and there's definitely a major portal there.
Speaker 3 (50:25):
Yeah, and they captured this amazing triangular three light UFO
on their security camera.
Speaker 2 (50:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (50:36):
Then we checked it out and it's real. It's not big.
So that's you know, I'm writing a book. I mentioned
it to you. Jesus had a near death experience.
Speaker 2 (50:46):
Oh yes, how is that going.
Speaker 3 (50:49):
We're up to about forty thousand words right now.
Speaker 2 (50:53):
Okay, so what are you going to do about sixty thousand?
Speaker 3 (50:58):
I think it'll get about there, maybe fifty five something
like that on the third, third act. Right now, we're
racing towards conclusion. You said you might be interested in
looking at it.
Speaker 2 (51:13):
Yeah, yeah, well we'll definitely talk about that.
Speaker 3 (51:17):
So that's been fun. Jesus probably did have a near
death experience, and I kind of think that might be
the case because a lot of these illuminaries the creative
religions had some sort of altered state experience, you know,
we want when he went out into the desert and
(51:38):
so on, maybe something like that happened.
Speaker 2 (51:41):
Yes, And and I'd like to know where he was
for twelve years.
Speaker 3 (51:47):
Yeah, well mysteries, you know, it all goes back to
this place in Greece where the Elusian mystery schools, where
all these smart people that were made all as great
discoveries of everything we of our science. They all went
there and had some sort of near death experience that
came back and lightened you know, Playtos, Socrates, Archimedianes, all
(52:11):
these people. And it builds on that idea that you
could create a medically induced near death experience which would
replace you know, kind of the drug they might have used,
you know, to create an altered state.
Speaker 2 (52:25):
Interesting. Yes, that's that's an interesting take on It does
make you wonder if it wasn't something that was artificially
induced in order to create a superhuman basically.
Speaker 3 (52:42):
Yeah. Yeah, And anyhow, we finally had a really weird experience.
You got time for me to say it.
Speaker 2 (52:50):
Yeah, we've got about three minutes, go ahead, Okay.
Speaker 3 (52:53):
The last night we were sitting around the campfire, we
got into a meditated state to a chat, and the
four of us we were walking out of this clearing
to go to the car and cabin, and something came
crashing through the canopy and it landed with a huge
stump right in front of Allen and this would be
(53:16):
you know, probably two and a half stories high through
the canopy. Oh mind. It turned out to be something
that took a piece of was water sock. There was
a stump sitting there and taking ripped out about a
third of it, and that's what came flying through the air.
(53:38):
I was legging, so I only heard it coming through
the trees. But Alan and Melinda Bosacks scared the heck
out of Allen because it landed about three feet in
front of him, and the cameraman who was going towards
the house heard the thumb thought somebody had fallen. How
do you explain that?
Speaker 2 (53:56):
Oh? What do you think? That was a message?
Speaker 3 (54:00):
It's certainly a message. I can't imagine anything other than
some kind of levitation, which relates back to broadcast Crystal Mind,
because they have levitating rock there. Yeah, and al One
has another kind of levitating rock experience three years ago,
so it's all connecting up in some way again.
Speaker 2 (54:21):
Oh boy, Well, I'm going to hear more about that
and definitely keep in touch about your new projects so
we can have you back on the show.
Speaker 3 (54:32):
And that cruise. I took that cruise, you know, a
few years aback, not as a UFO or anything like that.
It's a marvelous cruise. Make sure you get off and
run around to some of the nature things you can
do at the stops.
Speaker 2 (54:46):
Oh, most definitely, that's in the plans for sure.
Speaker 3 (54:49):
Excellent. Yeah, it's a wonderful trip.
Speaker 2 (54:52):
All right. Well, Ron, thank you so much for taking
time out of your busy schedule to join us this evening.
Speaker 3 (54:57):
Good to hang on with you again, Margine.
Speaker 1 (55:00):
It was fun, all right.
Speaker 2 (55:01):
I'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 3 (55:03):
Take care now, hm you too.
Speaker 2 (55:05):
Bye bye.
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