October 6, 2025 • 54 mins
Steve Hudgeons is the Director of Investigations for International MUFON (Mutual UFO Network). Tonight, he shares the history of MUFON and what the organization does today with regards to investigating UFOs/UAPs and USOs. To report a UFO sighting, visit www.mufon.com Steve Hudgeons was born in Fort Worth, Texas in 1950. He joined the US Navy in 1969 and served until 1974. He spent four months in Europe each year and one month in the Cuba area each year for four and a half years. Steve was a Gunners' Mate E5 on a Destroyer named the USS NEW DD 818 stationed in Norfolk VA. After the Navy Steve began a long-time career in Commercial Construction, installing aluminum frames and glass in commercial buildings such as high rises as well as schools and small buildings. He later advanced to selling jobs and drawing blueprints, then became an OSHA safety officer. He retired at the age of 65. Steve served as the President of his neighborhood Advisory council and has been a Member of the Citizens on Patrol with the Fort Worth Police Department for 29 years. Steve has been a MUFON Member for 34 years. He is married to his wife Linda, and their 50th anniversary is next month. Steve has two children and five grandchildren. To report a UFO sighting, visit www.mufon.com Visit Central Region MUFON at www.mufoncentralregion.org
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to move On Midwest, where we discuss some of
the most interesting UFO, UAP sidings in the heartland. MoveOn
field investigators and I witnesses share their amazing experiences with
the public on this podcast. And now here's your host
for MoveOn Midwest, Margie Kay.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Good evening, everyone, Welcome to MoveOn Midwest, and this evening
we have a good show for you. Of course, I'd
like to invite you to visit the Central Region MoveOn
website at to MoveOn Central Region dot org, where you
can see all the information about our different states, are
state directors, Assistant state directors and other officers, and what
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we have going on in the ridge, So you'll get
to list of meetings, etc. And you can sign up
for the newsletter there. We do send out a monthly
newsletter with announcements about all of the meetings going on
in the region. This evening, I have a very special guest.
Steve Hudgens is the director of Investigations for International move On,
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which is the mutual UFO network. Tonight, he shares his
the history of MoveOn and what the organization does today
with regards to investigating UFOs, UAPs and USOS so to
report a siting visit www dot mofon dot com. Steve
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was born in Fort Worth, Texas, in nineteen fifty. He
joined the US Navy in nineteen sixty nine and served
until nineteen seventy four. He spent four months in Europe
each year and one month in the Cuba area each year.
For four and a half years, Steve was a gunner's
Mate E five on a destroyer named the USS new
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DD eight POE eight, stationed in Norfolk, Virginia. After the Navy,
Steve began a longtime career in commercial construction, installing aluminum
frames and glass in commercial buildings such as high rises,
as well as schools and small buildings. He later advanced
to selling jobs and drawing blueprints, then became an OSHA
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safety officer. He retired at the age of sixty five.
Steve served as the past president of his neighborhood Advisory
Council and has been a member of the Citizens on
Patrol with the Fort Worth Police Department for twenty three years.
Steve has been a moufon member for thirty four years.
He's married to his wife, Linda, and their fiftieth anniversary
(02:47):
is next month. Steve has two children and five grandchildren.
Welcome to the program, Steve.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Hello, glad to be here.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Well, I'm so glad you could join me this evening.
One of the reasons, of course, is to just let
people know everything that MoveOn does, because everyone in the
world doesn't know about move On. So I thought we'd
share that. But let's get started with how you got
it interested in the UFO subject.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Well, it started a long time ago when I was
a kid, something like about I don't know, nine or
ten years old, something like that, and I was always
hanging around my grandmother's house and I noticed that she
had this newspaper there she got every month. It's National Inquiry,
and so I started reading into that and there's some
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of the weirdest stories are in that newspapers had stories
about bigfoot and ghosts and aliens and just all kinds
of things like that. And of course I didn't know
anything about that, but I was fascinated by the entire
thing and some of the stories that they were talking
about in there, like for the Bigfoot, for instance. These
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these stories were back in the days of the Indians,
when the Indians were around, and the stories talked about
how the Bigfoot would come in there and take off
with the Indian women, and I was always wondering about that.
I guess they wanted I guess Bigfoot needed somebody to
cook their food or something. I don't know, but I
had no idea what that was all about. But it
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was just own and own and own, and people with
ghosts and things like that. Nature. It was crazy.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Oh yeah, absolutely. But but you so you saw articles
about UFOs and that just piqued your interests.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Yes, yes, I saw articles about UFOs and and I
don't remember any photographs or anything like that that was
going on. If they had any of the wasn't anything
that was really spectacular, almost like what we're putting up
with now. It's just hardly anything in there that's just,
you know, like good good evidence. Just usually a bird
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or a reflection on a window. It's kind of kind
of awkward.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
So have you seen a UFO yourself?
Speaker 3 (05:12):
I have never seen anything that I would say was
a UFO, but there was since you brought that up.
There was one time that when I was when I
was in the Navy, we were under the underway out
in the Atlantic Ocean, and well, when you're underway, like
that you take turns. You have watches all over the
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where you places like a port starboard watch and after
watch that kind of thing. And I was on the
the bridge this one time and the the radar guy
he called up to the bridge and said that there
was an object following us on on in the ocean.
And it was kind of weird because they after lookout
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didn't say anything about it. And you're supposed to report
anything you see. And I mean, you can see stuff
away for seven miles away. If it has a light
on it, you can see it. So the officer of
the deck asked me to go back there and look.
So I went back there and there was nothing there,
but the radar man said, yeah, there is something there.
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So we just kept on going. But the captain of
the officer of the deck, he started making turns like
he to go to port. Then he'd stop going that
way and then turn it back and go this a way.
And then the object was following us. The radar was
hitting the beam on it was following us. So so
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the officer deck says, okay, increased twenty knots. So we
sped up a little bit and the object sped up
with us. So we slowed down, it slowed down, and
this went on for about an hour and there was
nothing there. We didn't see anything. And then after about
an hour of that kind of stuff, and then all
of a sudden, the radar picked up. Said they just
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flew off to the port side. It just took off
and left. So I don't know what that was. They said, well,
I guess it was a radar glitch or something. I
don't know. We didn't see anything out.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
There, so did Were they able to tell how how
high this object was or how far away?
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Just above the water. It wasn't in the water, it
is just above the water some kind of They say,
some kind of airplane out there flying. Well, I don't know.
I didn't see it. Nobody else did either.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
So what did you think? Did you think that it
was an invisible object?
Speaker 3 (07:31):
I just went along with the with the radar thing.
It says a radar glitch. Nothing else say it was.
Did it.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Did anybody approach you and say keep quiet about it,
don't talk about it?
Speaker 3 (07:45):
No? No, no, nobody ever say anything about that. Okay,
because I would have got my attention. But no.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Some Some cases do involve people being told to be quiet, So.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
That's true, it happened. Yeah in any of that so far.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Okay, so you were fairly young when you got interested
in UFOs. When you're in the Navy, there's a possible
UFO connection. And then how does one become an OSHA
safety officer? And the reason I asked this because I
own a contracting business and we've dealt with them.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Oh yeah, there's something all right. Then the company I
was working for, we had we started working on these
very large buildings and they required that anybody working on
the job had to have an OSHA ten or an
OSHA thirty and that's ten hours or thirty hour classes
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R and so that ky, it costs a lot of money,
like fifteen hundred dollars each. And so my boss, I've
known you for a long time, he says. He says,
I want you get on the internet and I want
you to figure out how you can become an OSHA
Outreach train So I said, okay, So I had to
take a course. It was I forget how many hours.
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It was a fifty hour course or something like that,
but he paid for it and it was an online
course and then you take a test and you pass
the test and you become an outreach trainer and you
have to every couple of years you have to be
retrained again and that always cost about three hundred dollars,
which that's not bad. And so I did that for
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I don't know ten or fifteen years. But that's what
you have to do. You have to get in there.
And it's called out Osha Outreach Trainer. Look that up
and you'll see what it looks at.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Okay, well, I do understand that because I had to
send all my men to OSHA ten hour training.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
So oh yeah, yeah, it's always fun.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Now that wasn't the word that they used when they
described it to me. Oh okay, so yeah, I even
took it one year myself online. Yeah. They yeah, just
to keep up with everything and know what we need
to do and be compliant because you never know when
ocean's coming around.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
That's true. That that's one thing about it. I always
had a a vest on, had a you know, reflective
vest all that says Osher Outreach on the OCEA trainer
on the outside of that kind of crap. And uh,
I could walk on the job and I didn't have
to go into the building or anything. The the the
people running the job usually have traider houses outside, and
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usually I just go in there and say, Hey, where's
all my guys working and what company you with? And
I tell them and then But now that when I
had that vest on, I could just walk into the
building that they were working on and the superintendent would
come and run me down on who I was and
who I was looking for. Because I had allshaw all
over my vest it didn't take me long. But it's
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kind of funny as you as you're walking through the job,
you can hear things that are falling, like screws and
tools and stuff like that because they see me in
there trying to straighten up up. That's kind of funny.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
But oh well, yeah, because OSHA has so many regulations,
that's a whole other show. So we'll we'll leave it there. Yes,
because this is a move On show tonight, So why
don't you tell us a little bit about the history
of move On, how it got started?
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Well, okay, let's see. Uh, let me talk about how
I got interested in the UFO subject for a minute.
I would like to say I always always interested in
the UFO subjects because it was more curious to me
than than bigfoot and a ghost and stuff like that,
because you know that people try to fake the bigfoot
thing all the time. And I was even doing it
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when I was in high school. We were putting Bigfoot
tracks all over the beach. But I mean nobody had
a picture. Nobody had a picture, or you know, I
tell people. I said, look, if you're going to show
me one picture of bigfoot, I said, if I saw bigfoot,
I can push the B on my cell phone to
take a hundred pictures in about two seconds, So I
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don't want to see just one photo. But anyway, I
was talking to my sister about a UFO subject UFO
subject that was in the paper, a newspaper or whatever,
and she says, oh, you like UFOs. I said yeah.
She said, well you need to join mofon. I said,
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move on. What's that? She said, mutual UFO Network. I said, okay,
Well how do I join? She said, well, you have
to know somebody to get in. I said, well, I
don't know anybody can get in. She says, well I do,
and she knew the state director in Oklahoma, and that's
how I got into it. He got me a membership
thing to fill out and said it it was only
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like about twenty five dollars. But anyway, I joined moufon
and I'm sitting there, Oh boy, I'll get to go
see UFOs and go to meetings and all this kind
of thing. And a whole year passed, no meetings, no nothing.
I just got the monthly journal. That's it. So I said, well,
I need to do something about this. So I got
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the Field Investigator's Manual and took the test and it
took about six months. Nothing still happened. So I was
about ready to get up. I was getting upset and
I was about ready to throw it in the trash.
And all of a sudden I got an email. It
says we're having a move On meeting in Dallas, and
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I was invited, and I was old, yes, sorry, I
was the first one over there to get into it.
So I went into the meeting and I looked around
and all five of us were there. And I looked
around and I found out I was the only field investigator.
So that kind of made me understand why the group
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was not contacting me. But about just about the time
that I joined to begin with, they had a big
fight over here at to move On DFW Area and
had a big, large falling out and everybody went in
every direction, so they had to basically start over. But
as far as the history of Moufon, it officially began
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on May thirty first, in nineteen sixty nine. At that
time it was known as the Midwest UFO Network, and
as it outgrew the Midwestern state boundaries, it became a
world class UFO organization and the name was changed to
Mutual UFO Network. That allowed the Moufon thing to stay.
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It remained as the organization matured. Then about a year later,
Walt Andrews Junior became the Moufon director and he held
that position until he retired around the year two thousand
and John Schuschler took it over as the director, and
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John retired in about two thousand and SI and James
Carrion became the director. James Carrion resigned at the end
of two thousand and nine. Clifford cliff became the director
and he resigned in twenty twelve, and that's when David
McDonald took it over. Then about let's see, around twenty thirteen,
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the MUFON sympos him in Las Vegas. The leadership of
Muffon changed again seven years after that, in twenty twenty,
McDonald was chosen again for the second time to lead
and he still he's still running the show. And he's
great at what he does. He's the businessman and knows
what he's doing.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Yes, who does.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Yes, he's good and me and Dave we go back
a long time and nothing wrong with him.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
How many members do you think there are currently in moufon.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
That's a good question because I hardly, very seldom get
a member's list, so I don't know. There's probably a
total of about six hundred and fifty field investigators worldwide
something of that nature. So yeah, I think they're all members,
So I don't know about it.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Yeah, now I think the membership is over four thousand
the lesson. That's true, Yes, and in multiple countries as well, Yes, worldwide.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Yeah, I don't know the number in the worldwide, but
it's like, I don't think there's any more than ten.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
So uh, after if a person sees a UFO, they
go to move on dot com to file the report.
What happens after that or whoops?
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Lost you s.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Okay, did you hear me?
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Uh? Yeah, it went blank there for a minute.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Okay, So what happens after a person files a report
at move On?
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Okay. When the person files the report it move On
the CMS administrators look at it and send it off
to the director of the state where the event took place,
and then the state director assigns it to a film
investigator and the film event and they set up some
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kind of an arrangement for an interview, and the interview
doesn't last that long unless there's some kind of evidence
that's along there, or if it's an actual UFO that
landed or something of that nature. And then the report
is filled out by the field investigator and then he
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has it approved by the state director and then it
just goes into our CMS system.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
So if a person files, they will be contacted by
an investigator by phone or email in some fashion, and
so they'll be speaking to a live person and then
the investigator. Let's say there's a case and there's a
sighting of a UFO that's it's a large object and
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it's nearby, you know, it's within five hundred feet, people
get a good look at it. What kind of research
would an investigator do in order to determine what type
of an object that.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Was well, we have flat radar and other things that
we can look at, weather reports and stuff of that
nature that we look at and compare notes on all
of it, and especially the flat radar, we can find
out really in the aircraft in the area, right. You know,
it's very they hide pretty good in clouds and things
of that nature. And it's kind of funny. That just
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made me think or something there that I have had
a one of my navy friend, my good buddy, oh
Fred Tabler, he lived in Ohio. I was in Texas,
and he's always telling me about the UFO, the objects
that he has around his house and farm. He lives
out in the country area. And I was talking to
him one day on the telphone and he says, yeah,
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there's a UFO flying south of was right now. And
I said really, and he goes yeah. So I opened
up flat radar twenty four and looked at it, and
there was an airplanes and going south of him, and
I said, all of a sudden, the airplane turned and
went north. And I said, that object didn't go start
and go north, did it? And he said yeah, I
sure did. How'd you know? I said, Well, the airplane
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you're looking at that, Oh that made him mad.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Yeah, that's kind of funny. I sometimes we weren't into
the cases where they're they're ongoing cases. People have continual
sightings and then at a certain point almost everything is
a UFO and they may have really seen a bonafide
unknown object to start with. But after that, after a while,
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people are really on the lookout for them. They're on
high alert or something. And then there are a few
people who really get upset if you investigate and tell
them it's something mundane. Why do you think that.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Is because you're making it up. You're not you're not
believing what I'm saying. And yes, yeah, they get upset.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Mm hmm, they do.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
They do. There's a lot of photographs that are birds,
and yeah, people you see that. You don't see the
side of a bird with a wings shut, and it
looks just like a uh, what a UFO might look like.
But people just don't understand that when a bird flies,
it doesn't fly with the wings out. They're flapping all
the time and and and they're doing it pretty fast.
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So for you to catch a bird in flight with
wings out, that's very seldom and and people just don't
really realize that I guess. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
What are some of the most common objects that are
misidentified as UFOs?
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Uh, birds for one thing. And I've got a lot
of photographs of of like when people look out a
window and they have a lighted object there that's flying,
it's going by or not not well, it's not moving
because it's the stationary photo. And there was there was
one photo. There's three rings. It looked like three rings
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flying saucers out there in front of it. And found
out later that there was a reflection of the of
the lights and his roof and here's not a roof
but a ceiling, is what he was just taking a
picture out of the of the window, out the window
of the of the out there, and when he developed it, oh,
look there's these lights. But that's That's something else you
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have to watch out for, is reflection in glass. And
it happens all the time. Oh.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
I remember a case a few years ago that went
pretty viral, uh, and it was they're taking pictures out
of window and it looked like there were UFOs out there,
and it turns out that there were lights in the
room with them that were on and they were in
the shape of UFOs. It kind of looked like that,
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but it appeared that they were outside the windows. So yeah,
that is a that's a common.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Always told people. I said, look, if there's UFOs out there,
they're going to be invisible because they're not going to
flower with the planet of the Apes. Maybe get their
their vehicles damage so they can't get back home. I said,
what you're seeing out there flying around is probably our
own stuff. That's kind of the way I look at it.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
So well, of course, our technology is so advanced now
what they let us know about is fifty years after
of the fact. Supposedly, that's what's what they say. So
it's hard to imagine what kind of technology our government
has now.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
I know that's true. They don't want us to know.
They'd rather have chasing UFOs.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
M h.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
What are some of the most common shapes of UFOs
that people see here lately?
Speaker 3 (23:25):
They're seeing these, uh always call them. I'm forget now
what you call them. It's the long slender ones look
so like submarines when those fins on them, the ones
look like big pills that are going down tic TACs
tick tax. Yeah, that's it. That's the one that's kind
of the most common. But that's what everybody's talking about now,
so that that helps it too. But someone someone told
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me one time that that was those shapes are designed
after uh after from submarines. They made these strong ships
and they made them round because submarine has a round
and it takes a lot of a lot to mash it.
In other words, so they're making these tic TACs and
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because they're stronger, and which that sounds about right, but
you know we don't know.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Well, yeah, the circular shape is stronger. I know. That's
why they make the uh the transport trucks that are
carrying liquids that make the ends round, like the tic
tax shape really long.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Yeah, And the only reason I know that is because
I knew someone who built those. But okay, well we're
going to take two minute break and we'll be back
right after these messages.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
Okay, the.
Speaker 5 (25:02):
Project, I don't think that.
Speaker 6 (25:33):
Think they don't think that.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
The Welcome back. I'm Marjorie cab and this is moof
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On Midwest and my guest tonight is Steve Hudgens. He's
the director of Investigations at mof on. Steve, how did
you get started in move on and what positions have
you held.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Let's see when I joined and got got into the
df w UH move On meetings. When they started back up,
it was Ken Sherry. I think after a year he
took over, and between me and him we started creating.
We had a bunch of people that we probably had
about fifty people coming to the meetings after a while.
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And because I was a field investigator by then, and
then Ken Cherry became state director and between him and me,
we were just started doing everything in the world that
was going on, investigating cases and things. And I don't
know how many I have. I've had about seventeen hundred
cases or something like that, you know, from here to
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around the world, all that kind of thing, but that's
a good number. Yeah. And so I got gutted into
it that way and just never got out of it.
I mean, I just kind of liked what was going on,
and even when I was doing all that work, construction,
everything else I was doing, I didn't stop doing any
of that. And it just went on from there. I've
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been section director, chief investigator, assistant state director, and I
became Ken left and I became State director. Then the
next thing I know, I went to over in Dallas.
I met Dave McDonald over in Dallas and we had
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coffee and ate dinner, that kind of thing. He just
he just came to Dallas for I don't know what
he came for, but anyway, we were heading back out
and he says, uh, he said, I think I'm gonna
see if I can get you on the board. And
I said, I said, well, you know, I don't really
want to be on the board. I'd have to go
all those board meetings and it costs a lot of money.
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I can't really afford to do that. I said, but
I'll tell you what i'd like to do. And he says,
what's that. I'd like to be the director of investigations.
He thought about that for a minute and he said, okay,
let me think that one over. And about a week
later he asked me if I wanted to do it
or not, because I forget who who they there was
a woman, never forget what her name was. She either
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quit or they got rid of it. But anyway, I
became a State of the Director of Investigations after that,
and I've been basically doing it for since since then.
It's just been a long time.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Well, with all those investigations you've done, and then also
that you oversee. You see so much come across your
desk that other investigators are handling, but you know about them.
What are some of the strangest sightings that people have
reported that are credible?
Speaker 3 (29:41):
To go back and look at all the cases like that,
I look at basically how they're completed, the dispositions. I
use a method of making sure everybody's not getting too
extreme on their depositionizations like too many information only cases,
that sort of thing, And I have a percentage of
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what they should be by using the dispositions of the
entire CMS. And that's what I look at most of
the time. Unless somebody's asking me to go look at something,
then I'll go look at it and give them my opinion.
But as far as I can can tell, there's not
really anything that's really causing the hats to blow off.
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I mean, it's just a bus a bunch of stuff
that's just kind of normal.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
So you can't think of any credible sightings. Is that
what you're telling me?
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Well, we had the Stephenville event that I would have
to say it was kind of credible because there were
five police officers that were involved, and they're the ones
that they were on be in Stephenville, and they weren't together.
They were around Stephenville, you know, around the city itself,
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and that's when they saw what I called the flying Walmart.
It was an object that was half a mile by
a mile and it was going slowly, very slowly over
downtown Stephenville, and then after a while, it just but say,
after a while, after a few minutes, it just took off.
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And what we found out about the Stephenville event, we
had a big event down there, a big meeting, and man,
so many people showed up in that building that we
had to stop them from coming in because too many
people were coming in, as like five hundred and something people.
But the thing was that most of what they saw
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down there over the years were balls of light, large
balls of light or fire or whatever you want to
call it, or whatever it was, and that's what they
were seeing most of the time. And that's when we
found out that the entire area around Stephenville is a
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training zone for all of the jet aircraft for the military.
They're always around the area. And we've also found out
that there was nine thousand different types of UH those
radar bombs that they blast out and and and it
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causes missiles to go to them. I forget what heat
heat trivia what you call him. They there's nine thousand
different kinds of those. And we kind of figured that
that's what everybody was seeing is at nighttime, he's jets
flying by there, they're dropping these, uh, these flares and that,
and after that, couldn't see anything after that. But there
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was one one person had a photo of something that
was completely different. This was a photo it was at night,
and it was a photo of I had four or
five just lights and they weren't moving. Of course there's
a photograph, but it was like five lights going like
up and down and it was like a straight line,
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and no way could figure out what that was. But
this one one of well, I'm bridging I'm talking about
that because one one night after I came back from Stephenville,
I went by the Air Force base out here and
Carsal Air Force Base, and I was going around from
the south of the of the base there I looked
north and I saw the same thing in that photograph.
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It was five four or five lights straight in the line,
and I realized that was aircraft coming in on a
landing and they were taking one, you know, one after
the next, kind of lining up the land And that's
why I think that's what they were doing out there
in the field. They were lining up on an object
practiced there because their landing approaches. So that kind of
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explains what that was. And nobody else had a photograph
like that at all. But this flying Walmart thing flew by,
and you know, if the police officers hadn't have seen it,
I would just go, ah, yes, somebody just made that up.
But no, the police officers and they didn't want to be,
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you know, have their name put out there that they
saw something like that, So we kept all that to ourselves.
But they didn't want to get fired, if you know
what I mean.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Right, Yeah, pilots and police they keep their mouths shuts.
And military for that matter. I've talked to a lot
of military ex military who come forward after they're out
a little bit. What about that case in twenty twenty
in January with a huge triangular craft that started in
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Missouri and uh, they tracked it for hours, police firemen
tracking it and then it went over to Illinois for
quite some time. That all kinds of police seeing that
it was flying very low, very silent, and uh and
very large.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
I haven't even seen that report.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Oh that's a big one that was that made the
news and it's ben in documentaries. Yeah, it's probably one
of the biggest ones.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
And uh well.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
I'll tell you what. My personal opinion is that it
was something of ours, right, one of our uh you know,
air force, uh, some military craft. Uh and it almost
kind of uh as low as it was and as
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flow and silent, and all these police cars are chasing it,
you know, it was almost like I was doing it
on purpose.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
Uh huh yeah, yeah, kind of freaking people.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
M hm.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
Oh that's amazing.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
But who knows who knows what it was because I
don't even remember how people lost sight of it. I'm
gonna have to look that up.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
But that went off.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Yeah, And then there are cases where people actually see
extraterrestrials or inter dimensionals, something that's non human. What are
your thoughts on that?
Speaker 3 (36:35):
Anything as possible, But I have yet to see any
kind of evidence on it. You know that this uh there,
unless you want to cut off one of his fingers,
are that's something of that nature, But I doubt they'd
let you do that, but that they would probably expect
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something of that nature and just make sure you're kind
of where you can't move and keep their distance or whatever.
And that's usually mind control anyway, that's controlling what you're doing.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Yeah, they definitely have the upper hand. They're definitely higher
intelligent and people involved. They're lucky if they do remember anything.
Usually they can't move. They might be able to move
their eyes to watch things that are going on. But
then there are some people who don't get frozen and
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who have some type of ongoing contact, and they might
see the same type of entities over and over again.
I know, you know, people like Kathleen Martin have seen
them throughout throughout their lives, quite a few in fact,
So I mean, I but I'm of the opinion that
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they are inter dimensional, that these are beings that are
in the same space as we are. It's just in
a higher dimension and they're not traveling millions of light
years away to get here. What are your thoughts on that.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
That's very possible. I mean, we don't know how to
do that, so that doesn't mean it can't be done,
but yes, that's very possible. I've never seen anything that
I would say, yeah, there it is. I've never seen
anything like that. I tell you what, since you brought
that up, I remember back. Let's see, I was about
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seventeen or eighteen and my friends that we always had
friends and friends that were on the block there, they moved.
They moved out north of Fort Worth and they wanted
me to go out there spend the weekend with them
in their house and they lived with their mother and
all that kind of thing and their dad. And so
I went out there and we played dominoes and all
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kinds of stuff and it's got time to go to bed.
We went to bed. I had a bedroom in there
all by myself. And I always bring this up because
it's only a weird event I've ever had. But I
was I was trying to go to sleep, and I
finally went to sleep, and then there was a large
noise woke me up. And I'm in the bed bed
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in that room all by myself, but this large noise
woke me up. And what it reminded me of was
like a stack of pots and pans like fell off
the table and hit the floor. You know, it just
made a large crash, and there was and the parents
were there in the bedroom next to me and the
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other there was three other boys and they were spread
out through the house. And I said, well, well, you know,
there's probably somebody in trying to cook up something for
snacks after midnight or something. But I never heard anybody
get up, and so I I said, oh, well, I'm
just gonna forget about it. But I put my head
back down, and all of a sudden I heard this
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was an old house, and all of a sudden, I
heard the floor is kind of creaking, and they were
like going down the wall there towards my door. There's
a large dining room, living room type thing, and I said, ah,
these guys are trying to They're going to run in
here and scare me, that's what they're going to do.
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I was getting ready for them, and the door had
one of those old diamond looking doorknobs, those old kind,
and I could I could hear they whoever was walked
over to the door and stopped, and then I heard
that door knob turning real slow. It's I said, yeah,
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they're going to yank that door open and come running
here screaming. So all of a sudden, I didn't hear
the door open. But this this is Texas in the summertime.
It's like ninety degrees eighty five something like that at night, summertime.
And and all of a sudden, I felt like someone
opened up the door of a freezer, and all this
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cold air just rushed in. This house didn't have a
central air. It was old house, had these other water
window units for the water, old kind of the water
on them. And and I knew immediately that cold air
is associated with ghost. Yes, So I shut my eyes.
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I did not want to see what was coming in
that door. And it was not making any screaming, wasn't
making any noise, wasn't doing anything. And and I started
hearing this thumping noise in my head, you know, And
I said, man, what the world is that? And I
had my arms around my chest and I could feel
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my heart beating, and I was afraid. I was gared
to death about this ghost coming in here, is going
to get me and take me out of here whatever,
And that's all I remember. I woke up the next morning.
I jumped up out of the bed. They're all in
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there eating breakfast and stuff like that. I jumped down,
ran in there. I was looking around and They looked
at me as by the time you got up now,
like I said, Well, I said, don't hear anything strange
last night? No, you'ren't hear any big crash or anything. No. Well,
who got up first? One of the boys? I did
you see any dishes or anything around the floor?
Speaker 1 (42:37):
No?
Speaker 3 (42:39):
And I said, okay, So I just let it ride.
And after that I started having dreams of a a
box kite flying in the air at night with lights
surrounding the edge of it, you know, red and white
lights and stuff like that. And this is out in
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the out in the farm like farm acres, and nothing around.
And I would have dreams of that. And then after
that had joined the Navy, and we're back on the
back of the ship and everybody's starting to tell ghost
stories and stuff like that. I remembered mine. I started
telling them about that, and I got to thinking about that,
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and I said, well, wait a minute, I said, if
my heart is beating on my chest and beating through
my brain, that means my adrenaline is really flowing. And
if my adrenaline is flowing, how come I went to sleep?
Mm hmmm, So I don't know about that night.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
Yeah, that's it. That's a strange one because it could
be paranormal, it could be ufo.
Speaker 3 (43:50):
It could be anything. And I had that dream about
the flying kite for a long time, but after that
equipped I'm getting cold chills now just telling you this.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
You'll probably have that dream again tonight, Steve, Oh my goodness,
like a flying kite.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
Huh. That's a box kite, just flattening.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
The box kite, kind of.
Speaker 3 (44:11):
Floating around up there. I didn't go back out that
house again and forget that.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
Have you ever been regressed?
Speaker 3 (44:21):
Uh? No? I asked Travis Walton about that, about it regressed,
and he says no. When I was talking to him,
he says, no, I haven't been regressed. He said I
don't think I want to do that, And I said,
oh why not? He said, well, I think that I
died and they brought me back, so if I get regressed,
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I might die while I'm being regressed. I said, okay,
I understand that. Yeah, okay, So no, I have not
been regressed.
Speaker 5 (44:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
Well, the thing is that once you're regressed, then you
find out what happened and then you can't ever forget it.
So some people don't want to deal with whatever it was.
Speaker 3 (45:04):
That's kind of the way I'm looking at it too.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
Yeah, as you mentioned it, I've been regressed a couple
of times. But I quit just for that reason, because
I don't want to see anymore.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
I went on a little voyage with the UFO hunters
one time one weekend. They went to the Aurora Cemetery
here north of Fort Worth, and they had a ground
piercing radar set up and they did a ground piercing
radar event over the grave of the alien they's supposed
to be in the rural cemetery. And they also took
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the little building that was on top of the well
on the property there where they're supposed to hold the
UFO parks that were picked up. They supposed to have
thrown them down the well, and so they pulled up
off the little building over there, and I ran over
real quick took a picture down there because I didn't
want to saying no, there's nothing there. But there was
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nothing there. There's nothing down that well. So there's that.
But the interesting thing that I saw about that area
where this supposed UFO crashed, you know, almost one hundred
years ago, if not that long, but there's no grass
for about an area that I would say probably oh
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about a twenty yard rocks, but there's grass everywhere else,
So I thought that's kind of strange.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
But yeah, that is that is strange, and we should
mention that if if there is evidence left behind, A
lot of evidence get sent to the moof On Lab
in Saint Louis, Yes, where Lynn as the director of
the lab and Melvin Vikel, the CI for Missouri, has
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stepped up as a lab assistant and he's learning how
to do a lot of testing because yeah, Lynn has
been kind of overwhelmed. There's been a lot of evidence
since the lab. One in particular that I know of
was one of my cases and she was able to
lift fingerprints off of a sea pat machine and yeah,
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and they came back as non human.
Speaker 3 (47:34):
That's interesting.
Speaker 2 (47:36):
Yeah, it is. It's one of my best case. I
need to break that up for the move On Journal
because it's a good one. Yeah, there was a lot
going on there. We had film evidence, bright lights coming
in the window, and then the man hanging on and
then the woman his wife from her bedroom down the
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hall saw an et come out of his room and yeah,
pretty wild, very credible people do.
Speaker 3 (48:11):
Which which kind of et was it? Did they say?
Speaker 2 (48:14):
I believe she said they were the typical grays. Okay,
three to four feet tall, pretty pretty short. What are
some of the most common ET's that people claim to
see the grays? Yeah? Are they all the little ones
or the taller ones?
Speaker 3 (48:35):
Well, the little ones first, and the taller ones are
the ones when they get on the ship. The taller
ones are coming the ones that's come in and uh
uh do the procedures, medical procedures, whatever it is.
Speaker 4 (48:47):
Uh huh.
Speaker 3 (48:48):
So I guess the taller ones are smarter than the
little ones.
Speaker 2 (48:54):
Yeah, I said. The weirdest one or ones to me
are the mantis.
Speaker 4 (49:00):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (49:01):
Can you imagine reptilians?
Speaker 2 (49:03):
Yeah, and the reptilians a seven and nine foot tall
et that looks like a reptile or or a mantis insect.
Speaker 3 (49:11):
Yeah. I wouldn't want to see any of those.
Speaker 2 (49:14):
Those are those are strange.
Speaker 3 (49:17):
They wouldn't want to see me either, because everywhere I
go I pack my gun. Say.
Speaker 2 (49:24):
Well, if they're inter dimensional, I don't suppose that would
do any good. But if they're in three D it
would I know? Yeah, uh yeah, I've been uh when
I'm when I go out on investigations anymore. I'm always
packing as well.
Speaker 3 (49:42):
Of course I carry of nineteen eleven forty five MT.
Maybe I'm pretty good with it.
Speaker 2 (49:51):
Oh that's good. I carry a thirty eight special. I'm
not that great with it unless you're really close to me.
Speaker 3 (49:57):
Oh that, asked me. One time. She says, I'm thinking
about buying a gun, and I said, well, I say
what I say you if you buy a gun, get
it and go somewhere and have someone teach you how
to use it, how to shoot it, what to expect
and all that kind of thing. She says, well, why
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all you go do is just pull the trigger, And
I said, well, there's more good than that the gun.
If you don't hold it just right, it'll fall out
of your hand and it might hit the ground and
go off again and shoot you. So you need to
do that, and she did. She finally did, and she
thanked me for telling.
Speaker 2 (50:34):
Her that, yeah, you you have, Yes, you do have
to know how to handle the gun. And uh, yeah,
I've got my h One of our field investigators in
Kansas City, Geene Walker. She was the first one to
get a gun, and she goes every Wednesday to practice
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really arrange yep.
Speaker 3 (50:56):
Well she uses a lot of money on bullets.
Speaker 2 (51:00):
Yeah, well practice bullets, but nonetheless, yeah, but she's she's
a good shot. I'm a good shot with a rifle,
but not with a handgun. It makes me feel safer though,
if I have it so right, Yeah, but you do,
you know, And one thing people should know is that
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investigators don't go out in the field by themselves. There's
always two or more investigators.
Speaker 3 (51:28):
Yeah, I should be at least two.
Speaker 7 (51:30):
Yeah, yeah, all right, Well, Steve, thank you so much
for coming on the show tonight and telling us about
mof on a little bit of your history.
Speaker 2 (51:42):
And also you're paranormal and UFO encounters. Who knows what
they were?
Speaker 3 (51:49):
That's right, I'm telling who it is. I'm telling what
did it. I had someone show me a picture of
a bigfoot and he was afraid, and he was in
the backseat of his car, and he was looking over
the back seat and over the hood, and this bigfoot
was doing what I call a kilroy. All you see
is the top of his nose and his eyeballs in
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his head, top of his head, and I'm tetting her,
thinking to myself, you know, why would eight or ten
foot bigfoot get down on his hands and knees and
peek over the car hood. And then he showed me
another picture of the window. But in the back there
it had just looked like just this meary. I don't
know if it was a liquid spit or whatever on
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his window. And he said, that's that's where the bigfoot
put his nose and rubbed his nose on it. And
I said, did you get a sample? He goes, no,
I did take it to the car washing and washed
it off.
Speaker 2 (52:43):
Oh I hate that when that happens. Oh my gosh. Yes,
people do that sort of thing.
Speaker 3 (52:50):
There goes the DNA sample.
Speaker 2 (52:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (52:53):
Yeah, but anyway, I run into that all the time.
Speaker 2 (52:58):
Yeah. Yeah, that's people don't think about collecting evidence until
after the fact. It seems. I've done several cases like that.
Oh I had evidence, but I wanted to get rid
of it. That's the thing. They just they don't They
didn't want the event to happen in the first place.
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Then they want to get rid of anything, so they
don't think about it.
Speaker 3 (53:22):
Yes, that's true. It kind of makes you wonder why
they even made a report.
Speaker 2 (53:28):
Yeah. Well, and then the other thing I find interesting
is that people forget, They forget details very quickly. So
it's really important to report a sighting right away to
move On because move On will investigate and you know,
put everything in there that you remember said. Do it
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as soon after the sighting as you possibly can.
Speaker 3 (53:51):
And move one's going to ask you all of those
hard questions.
Speaker 2 (53:57):
Yes, indeed, yes we are. Well, thank you so much, Steve,
and I hope you'll come back again sometime.
Speaker 3 (54:04):
Okay, keep me on your list.
Speaker 2 (54:08):
I will do that, all right. Everybody, thank you so
much for joining us, and we'll see you here again
next week. Okay, that's
Welcome to move On Midwest, where we discuss some of
the most interesting UFO, UAP sidings in the heartland. MoveOn
field investigators and I witnesses share their amazing experiences with
the public on this podcast. And now here's your host
for MoveOn Midwest, Margie Kay.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Good evening, everyone, Welcome to MoveOn Midwest, and this evening
we have a good show for you. Of course, I'd
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newsletter with announcements about all of the meetings going on
in the region. This evening, I have a very special guest.
Steve Hudgens is the director of Investigations for International move On,
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which is the mutual UFO network. Tonight, he shares his
the history of MoveOn and what the organization does today
with regards to investigating UFOs, UAPs and USOS so to
report a siting visit www dot mofon dot com. Steve
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was born in Fort Worth, Texas, in nineteen fifty. He
joined the US Navy in nineteen sixty nine and served
until nineteen seventy four. He spent four months in Europe
each year and one month in the Cuba area each year.
For four and a half years, Steve was a gunner's
Mate E five on a destroyer named the USS new
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DD eight POE eight, stationed in Norfolk, Virginia. After the Navy,
Steve began a longtime career in commercial construction, installing aluminum
frames and glass in commercial buildings such as high rises,
as well as schools and small buildings. He later advanced
to selling jobs and drawing blueprints, then became an OSHA
(02:25):
safety officer. He retired at the age of sixty five.
Steve served as the past president of his neighborhood Advisory
Council and has been a member of the Citizens on
Patrol with the Fort Worth Police Department for twenty three years.
Steve has been a moufon member for thirty four years.
He's married to his wife, Linda, and their fiftieth anniversary
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is next month. Steve has two children and five grandchildren.
Welcome to the program, Steve.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Hello, glad to be here.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Well, I'm so glad you could join me this evening.
One of the reasons, of course, is to just let
people know everything that MoveOn does, because everyone in the
world doesn't know about move On. So I thought we'd
share that. But let's get started with how you got
it interested in the UFO subject.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Well, it started a long time ago when I was
a kid, something like about I don't know, nine or
ten years old, something like that, and I was always
hanging around my grandmother's house and I noticed that she
had this newspaper there she got every month. It's National Inquiry,
and so I started reading into that and there's some
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of the weirdest stories are in that newspapers had stories
about bigfoot and ghosts and aliens and just all kinds
of things like that. And of course I didn't know
anything about that, but I was fascinated by the entire
thing and some of the stories that they were talking
about in there, like for the Bigfoot, for instance. These
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these stories were back in the days of the Indians,
when the Indians were around, and the stories talked about
how the Bigfoot would come in there and take off
with the Indian women, and I was always wondering about that.
I guess they wanted I guess Bigfoot needed somebody to
cook their food or something. I don't know, but I
had no idea what that was all about. But it
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was just own and own and own, and people with
ghosts and things like that. Nature. It was crazy.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Oh yeah, absolutely. But but you so you saw articles
about UFOs and that just piqued your interests.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Yes, yes, I saw articles about UFOs and and I
don't remember any photographs or anything like that that was
going on. If they had any of the wasn't anything
that was really spectacular, almost like what we're putting up
with now. It's just hardly anything in there that's just,
you know, like good good evidence. Just usually a bird
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or a reflection on a window. It's kind of kind
of awkward.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
So have you seen a UFO yourself?
Speaker 3 (05:12):
I have never seen anything that I would say was
a UFO, but there was since you brought that up.
There was one time that when I was when I
was in the Navy, we were under the underway out
in the Atlantic Ocean, and well, when you're underway, like
that you take turns. You have watches all over the
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where you places like a port starboard watch and after
watch that kind of thing. And I was on the
the bridge this one time and the the radar guy
he called up to the bridge and said that there
was an object following us on on in the ocean.
And it was kind of weird because they after lookout
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didn't say anything about it. And you're supposed to report
anything you see. And I mean, you can see stuff
away for seven miles away. If it has a light
on it, you can see it. So the officer of
the deck asked me to go back there and look.
So I went back there and there was nothing there,
but the radar man said, yeah, there is something there.
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So we just kept on going. But the captain of
the officer of the deck, he started making turns like
he to go to port. Then he'd stop going that
way and then turn it back and go this a way.
And then the object was following us. The radar was
hitting the beam on it was following us. So so
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the officer deck says, okay, increased twenty knots. So we
sped up a little bit and the object sped up
with us. So we slowed down, it slowed down, and
this went on for about an hour and there was
nothing there. We didn't see anything. And then after about
an hour of that kind of stuff, and then all
of a sudden, the radar picked up. Said they just
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flew off to the port side. It just took off
and left. So I don't know what that was. They said, well,
I guess it was a radar glitch or something. I
don't know. We didn't see anything out.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
There, so did Were they able to tell how how
high this object was or how far away?
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Just above the water. It wasn't in the water, it
is just above the water some kind of They say,
some kind of airplane out there flying. Well, I don't know.
I didn't see it. Nobody else did either.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
So what did you think? Did you think that it
was an invisible object?
Speaker 3 (07:31):
I just went along with the with the radar thing.
It says a radar glitch. Nothing else say it was.
Did it.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Did anybody approach you and say keep quiet about it,
don't talk about it?
Speaker 3 (07:45):
No? No, no, nobody ever say anything about that. Okay,
because I would have got my attention. But no.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Some Some cases do involve people being told to be quiet, So.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
That's true, it happened. Yeah in any of that so far.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Okay, so you were fairly young when you got interested
in UFOs. When you're in the Navy, there's a possible
UFO connection. And then how does one become an OSHA
safety officer? And the reason I asked this because I
own a contracting business and we've dealt with them.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Oh yeah, there's something all right. Then the company I
was working for, we had we started working on these
very large buildings and they required that anybody working on
the job had to have an OSHA ten or an
OSHA thirty and that's ten hours or thirty hour classes
(08:44):
R and so that ky, it costs a lot of money,
like fifteen hundred dollars each. And so my boss, I've
known you for a long time, he says. He says,
I want you get on the internet and I want
you to figure out how you can become an OSHA
Outreach train So I said, okay, So I had to
take a course. It was I forget how many hours.
(09:06):
It was a fifty hour course or something like that,
but he paid for it and it was an online
course and then you take a test and you pass
the test and you become an outreach trainer and you
have to every couple of years you have to be
retrained again and that always cost about three hundred dollars,
which that's not bad. And so I did that for
(09:27):
I don't know ten or fifteen years. But that's what
you have to do. You have to get in there.
And it's called out Osha Outreach Trainer. Look that up
and you'll see what it looks at.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Okay, well, I do understand that because I had to
send all my men to OSHA ten hour training.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
So oh yeah, yeah, it's always fun.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Now that wasn't the word that they used when they
described it to me. Oh okay, so yeah, I even
took it one year myself online. Yeah. They yeah, just
to keep up with everything and know what we need
to do and be compliant because you never know when
ocean's coming around.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
That's true. That that's one thing about it. I always
had a a vest on, had a you know, reflective
vest all that says Osher Outreach on the OCEA trainer
on the outside of that kind of crap. And uh,
I could walk on the job and I didn't have
to go into the building or anything. The the the
people running the job usually have traider houses outside, and
(10:29):
usually I just go in there and say, Hey, where's
all my guys working and what company you with? And
I tell them and then But now that when I
had that vest on, I could just walk into the
building that they were working on and the superintendent would
come and run me down on who I was and
who I was looking for. Because I had allshaw all
over my vest it didn't take me long. But it's
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kind of funny as you as you're walking through the job,
you can hear things that are falling, like screws and
tools and stuff like that because they see me in
there trying to straighten up up. That's kind of funny.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
But oh well, yeah, because OSHA has so many regulations,
that's a whole other show. So we'll we'll leave it there. Yes,
because this is a move On show tonight, So why
don't you tell us a little bit about the history
of move On, how it got started?
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Well, okay, let's see. Uh, let me talk about how
I got interested in the UFO subject for a minute.
I would like to say I always always interested in
the UFO subjects because it was more curious to me
than than bigfoot and a ghost and stuff like that,
because you know that people try to fake the bigfoot
thing all the time. And I was even doing it
(11:43):
when I was in high school. We were putting Bigfoot
tracks all over the beach. But I mean nobody had
a picture. Nobody had a picture, or you know, I
tell people. I said, look, if you're going to show
me one picture of bigfoot, I said, if I saw bigfoot,
I can push the B on my cell phone to
take a hundred pictures in about two seconds, So I
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don't want to see just one photo. But anyway, I
was talking to my sister about a UFO subject UFO
subject that was in the paper, a newspaper or whatever,
and she says, oh, you like UFOs. I said yeah.
She said, well you need to join mofon. I said,
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move on. What's that? She said, mutual UFO Network. I said, okay,
Well how do I join? She said, well, you have
to know somebody to get in. I said, well, I
don't know anybody can get in. She says, well I do,
and she knew the state director in Oklahoma, and that's
how I got into it. He got me a membership
thing to fill out and said it it was only
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like about twenty five dollars. But anyway, I joined moufon
and I'm sitting there, Oh boy, I'll get to go
see UFOs and go to meetings and all this kind
of thing. And a whole year passed, no meetings, no nothing.
I just got the monthly journal. That's it. So I said, well,
I need to do something about this. So I got
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the Field Investigator's Manual and took the test and it
took about six months. Nothing still happened. So I was
about ready to get up. I was getting upset and
I was about ready to throw it in the trash.
And all of a sudden I got an email. It
says we're having a move On meeting in Dallas, and
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I was invited, and I was old, yes, sorry, I
was the first one over there to get into it.
So I went into the meeting and I looked around
and all five of us were there. And I looked
around and I found out I was the only field investigator.
So that kind of made me understand why the group
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was not contacting me. But about just about the time
that I joined to begin with, they had a big
fight over here at to move On DFW Area and
had a big, large falling out and everybody went in
every direction, so they had to basically start over. But
as far as the history of Moufon, it officially began
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on May thirty first, in nineteen sixty nine. At that
time it was known as the Midwest UFO Network, and
as it outgrew the Midwestern state boundaries, it became a
world class UFO organization and the name was changed to
Mutual UFO Network. That allowed the Moufon thing to stay.
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It remained as the organization matured. Then about a year later,
Walt Andrews Junior became the Moufon director and he held
that position until he retired around the year two thousand
and John Schuschler took it over as the director, and
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John retired in about two thousand and SI and James
Carrion became the director. James Carrion resigned at the end
of two thousand and nine. Clifford cliff became the director
and he resigned in twenty twelve, and that's when David
McDonald took it over. Then about let's see, around twenty thirteen,
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the MUFON sympos him in Las Vegas. The leadership of
Muffon changed again seven years after that, in twenty twenty,
McDonald was chosen again for the second time to lead
and he still he's still running the show. And he's
great at what he does. He's the businessman and knows
what he's doing.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Yes, who does.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Yes, he's good and me and Dave we go back
a long time and nothing wrong with him.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
How many members do you think there are currently in moufon.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
That's a good question because I hardly, very seldom get
a member's list, so I don't know. There's probably a
total of about six hundred and fifty field investigators worldwide
something of that nature. So yeah, I think they're all members,
So I don't know about it.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Yeah, now I think the membership is over four thousand
the lesson. That's true, Yes, and in multiple countries as well, Yes, worldwide.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Yeah, I don't know the number in the worldwide, but
it's like, I don't think there's any more than ten.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
So uh, after if a person sees a UFO, they
go to move on dot com to file the report.
What happens after that or whoops?
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Lost you s.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Okay, did you hear me?
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Uh? Yeah, it went blank there for a minute.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Okay, So what happens after a person files a report
at move On?
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Okay. When the person files the report it move On
the CMS administrators look at it and send it off
to the director of the state where the event took place,
and then the state director assigns it to a film
investigator and the film event and they set up some
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kind of an arrangement for an interview, and the interview
doesn't last that long unless there's some kind of evidence
that's along there, or if it's an actual UFO that
landed or something of that nature. And then the report
is filled out by the field investigator and then he
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has it approved by the state director and then it
just goes into our CMS system.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
So if a person files, they will be contacted by
an investigator by phone or email in some fashion, and
so they'll be speaking to a live person and then
the investigator. Let's say there's a case and there's a
sighting of a UFO that's it's a large object and
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it's nearby, you know, it's within five hundred feet, people
get a good look at it. What kind of research
would an investigator do in order to determine what type
of an object that.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Was well, we have flat radar and other things that
we can look at, weather reports and stuff of that
nature that we look at and compare notes on all
of it, and especially the flat radar, we can find
out really in the aircraft in the area, right. You know,
it's very they hide pretty good in clouds and things
of that nature. And it's kind of funny. That just
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made me think or something there that I have had
a one of my navy friend, my good buddy, oh
Fred Tabler, he lived in Ohio. I was in Texas,
and he's always telling me about the UFO, the objects
that he has around his house and farm. He lives
out in the country area. And I was talking to
him one day on the telphone and he says, yeah,
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there's a UFO flying south of was right now. And
I said really, and he goes yeah. So I opened
up flat radar twenty four and looked at it, and
there was an airplanes and going south of him, and
I said, all of a sudden, the airplane turned and
went north. And I said, that object didn't go start
and go north, did it? And he said yeah, I
sure did. How'd you know? I said, Well, the airplane
(19:41):
you're looking at that, Oh that made him mad.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Yeah, that's kind of funny. I sometimes we weren't into
the cases where they're they're ongoing cases. People have continual
sightings and then at a certain point almost everything is
a UFO and they may have really seen a bonafide
unknown object to start with. But after that, after a while,
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people are really on the lookout for them. They're on
high alert or something. And then there are a few
people who really get upset if you investigate and tell
them it's something mundane. Why do you think that.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Is because you're making it up. You're not you're not
believing what I'm saying. And yes, yeah, they get upset.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Mm hmm, they do.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
They do. There's a lot of photographs that are birds,
and yeah, people you see that. You don't see the
side of a bird with a wings shut, and it
looks just like a uh, what a UFO might look like.
But people just don't understand that when a bird flies,
it doesn't fly with the wings out. They're flapping all
the time and and and they're doing it pretty fast.
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So for you to catch a bird in flight with
wings out, that's very seldom and and people just don't
really realize that I guess. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
What are some of the most common objects that are
misidentified as UFOs?
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Uh, birds for one thing. And I've got a lot
of photographs of of like when people look out a
window and they have a lighted object there that's flying,
it's going by or not not well, it's not moving
because it's the stationary photo. And there was there was
one photo. There's three rings. It looked like three rings
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flying saucers out there in front of it. And found
out later that there was a reflection of the of
the lights and his roof and here's not a roof
but a ceiling, is what he was just taking a
picture out of the of the window, out the window
of the of the out there, and when he developed it, oh,
look there's these lights. But that's That's something else you
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have to watch out for, is reflection in glass. And
it happens all the time. Oh.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
I remember a case a few years ago that went
pretty viral, uh, and it was they're taking pictures out
of window and it looked like there were UFOs out there,
and it turns out that there were lights in the
room with them that were on and they were in
the shape of UFOs. It kind of looked like that,
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but it appeared that they were outside the windows. So yeah,
that is a that's a common.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Always told people. I said, look, if there's UFOs out there,
they're going to be invisible because they're not going to
flower with the planet of the Apes. Maybe get their
their vehicles damage so they can't get back home. I said,
what you're seeing out there flying around is probably our
own stuff. That's kind of the way I look at it.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
So well, of course, our technology is so advanced now
what they let us know about is fifty years after
of the fact. Supposedly, that's what's what they say. So
it's hard to imagine what kind of technology our government
has now.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
I know that's true. They don't want us to know.
They'd rather have chasing UFOs.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
M h.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
What are some of the most common shapes of UFOs
that people see here lately?
Speaker 3 (23:25):
They're seeing these, uh always call them. I'm forget now
what you call them. It's the long slender ones look
so like submarines when those fins on them, the ones
look like big pills that are going down tic TACs
tick tax. Yeah, that's it. That's the one that's kind
of the most common. But that's what everybody's talking about now,
so that that helps it too. But someone someone told
(23:49):
me one time that that was those shapes are designed
after uh after from submarines. They made these strong ships
and they made them round because submarine has a round
and it takes a lot of a lot to mash it.
In other words, so they're making these tic TACs and
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because they're stronger, and which that sounds about right, but
you know we don't know.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Well, yeah, the circular shape is stronger. I know. That's
why they make the uh the transport trucks that are
carrying liquids that make the ends round, like the tic
tax shape really long.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Yeah, And the only reason I know that is because
I knew someone who built those. But okay, well we're
going to take two minute break and we'll be back
right after these messages.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
Okay, the.
Speaker 5 (25:02):
Project, I don't think that.
Speaker 6 (25:33):
Think they don't think that.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
The Welcome back. I'm Marjorie cab and this is moof
(26:33):
On Midwest and my guest tonight is Steve Hudgens. He's
the director of Investigations at mof on. Steve, how did
you get started in move on and what positions have
you held.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Let's see when I joined and got got into the
df w UH move On meetings. When they started back up,
it was Ken Sherry. I think after a year he
took over, and between me and him we started creating.
We had a bunch of people that we probably had
about fifty people coming to the meetings after a while.
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And because I was a field investigator by then, and
then Ken Cherry became state director and between him and me,
we were just started doing everything in the world that
was going on, investigating cases and things. And I don't
know how many I have. I've had about seventeen hundred
cases or something like that, you know, from here to
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around the world, all that kind of thing, but that's
a good number. Yeah. And so I got gutted into
it that way and just never got out of it.
I mean, I just kind of liked what was going on,
and even when I was doing all that work, construction,
everything else I was doing, I didn't stop doing any
of that. And it just went on from there. I've
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been section director, chief investigator, assistant state director, and I
became Ken left and I became State director. Then the
next thing I know, I went to over in Dallas.
I met Dave McDonald over in Dallas and we had
(28:18):
coffee and ate dinner, that kind of thing. He just
he just came to Dallas for I don't know what
he came for, but anyway, we were heading back out
and he says, uh, he said, I think I'm gonna
see if I can get you on the board. And
I said, I said, well, you know, I don't really
want to be on the board. I'd have to go
all those board meetings and it costs a lot of money.
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I can't really afford to do that. I said, but
I'll tell you what i'd like to do. And he says,
what's that. I'd like to be the director of investigations.
He thought about that for a minute and he said, okay,
let me think that one over. And about a week
later he asked me if I wanted to do it
or not, because I forget who who they there was
a woman, never forget what her name was. She either
(29:05):
quit or they got rid of it. But anyway, I
became a State of the Director of Investigations after that,
and I've been basically doing it for since since then.
It's just been a long time.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Well, with all those investigations you've done, and then also
that you oversee. You see so much come across your
desk that other investigators are handling, but you know about them.
What are some of the strangest sightings that people have
reported that are credible?
Speaker 3 (29:41):
To go back and look at all the cases like that,
I look at basically how they're completed, the dispositions. I
use a method of making sure everybody's not getting too
extreme on their depositionizations like too many information only cases,
that sort of thing, And I have a percentage of
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what they should be by using the dispositions of the
entire CMS. And that's what I look at most of
the time. Unless somebody's asking me to go look at something,
then I'll go look at it and give them my opinion.
But as far as I can can tell, there's not
really anything that's really causing the hats to blow off.
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I mean, it's just a bus a bunch of stuff
that's just kind of normal.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
So you can't think of any credible sightings. Is that
what you're telling me?
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Well, we had the Stephenville event that I would have
to say it was kind of credible because there were
five police officers that were involved, and they're the ones
that they were on be in Stephenville, and they weren't together.
They were around Stephenville, you know, around the city itself,
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and that's when they saw what I called the flying Walmart.
It was an object that was half a mile by
a mile and it was going slowly, very slowly over
downtown Stephenville, and then after a while, it just but say,
after a while, after a few minutes, it just took off.
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And what we found out about the Stephenville event, we
had a big event down there, a big meeting, and man,
so many people showed up in that building that we
had to stop them from coming in because too many
people were coming in, as like five hundred and something people.
But the thing was that most of what they saw
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down there over the years were balls of light, large
balls of light or fire or whatever you want to
call it, or whatever it was, and that's what they
were seeing most of the time. And that's when we
found out that the entire area around Stephenville is a
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training zone for all of the jet aircraft for the military.
They're always around the area. And we've also found out
that there was nine thousand different types of UH those
radar bombs that they blast out and and and it
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causes missiles to go to them. I forget what heat
heat trivia what you call him. They there's nine thousand
different kinds of those. And we kind of figured that
that's what everybody was seeing is at nighttime, he's jets
flying by there, they're dropping these, uh, these flares and that,
and after that, couldn't see anything after that. But there
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was one one person had a photo of something that
was completely different. This was a photo it was at night,
and it was a photo of I had four or
five just lights and they weren't moving. Of course there's
a photograph, but it was like five lights going like
up and down and it was like a straight line,
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and no way could figure out what that was. But
this one one of well, I'm bridging I'm talking about
that because one one night after I came back from Stephenville,
I went by the Air Force base out here and
Carsal Air Force Base, and I was going around from
the south of the of the base there I looked
north and I saw the same thing in that photograph.
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It was five four or five lights straight in the line,
and I realized that was aircraft coming in on a
landing and they were taking one, you know, one after
the next, kind of lining up the land And that's
why I think that's what they were doing out there
in the field. They were lining up on an object
practiced there because their landing approaches. So that kind of
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explains what that was. And nobody else had a photograph
like that at all. But this flying Walmart thing flew by,
and you know, if the police officers hadn't have seen it,
I would just go, ah, yes, somebody just made that up.
But no, the police officers and they didn't want to be,
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you know, have their name put out there that they
saw something like that, So we kept all that to ourselves.
But they didn't want to get fired, if you know
what I mean.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Right, Yeah, pilots and police they keep their mouths shuts.
And military for that matter. I've talked to a lot
of military ex military who come forward after they're out
a little bit. What about that case in twenty twenty
in January with a huge triangular craft that started in
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Missouri and uh, they tracked it for hours, police firemen
tracking it and then it went over to Illinois for
quite some time. That all kinds of police seeing that
it was flying very low, very silent, and uh and
very large.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
I haven't even seen that report.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Oh that's a big one that was that made the
news and it's ben in documentaries. Yeah, it's probably one
of the biggest ones.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
And uh well.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
I'll tell you what. My personal opinion is that it
was something of ours, right, one of our uh you know,
air force, uh, some military craft. Uh and it almost
kind of uh as low as it was and as
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flow and silent, and all these police cars are chasing it,
you know, it was almost like I was doing it
on purpose.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
Uh huh yeah, yeah, kind of freaking people.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
M hm.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
Oh that's amazing.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
But who knows who knows what it was because I
don't even remember how people lost sight of it. I'm
gonna have to look that up.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
But that went off.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Yeah, And then there are cases where people actually see
extraterrestrials or inter dimensionals, something that's non human. What are
your thoughts on that?
Speaker 3 (36:35):
Anything as possible, But I have yet to see any
kind of evidence on it. You know that this uh there,
unless you want to cut off one of his fingers,
are that's something of that nature, But I doubt they'd
let you do that, but that they would probably expect
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something of that nature and just make sure you're kind
of where you can't move and keep their distance or whatever.
And that's usually mind control anyway, that's controlling what you're doing.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Yeah, they definitely have the upper hand. They're definitely higher
intelligent and people involved. They're lucky if they do remember anything.
Usually they can't move. They might be able to move
their eyes to watch things that are going on. But
then there are some people who don't get frozen and
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who have some type of ongoing contact, and they might
see the same type of entities over and over again.
I know, you know, people like Kathleen Martin have seen
them throughout throughout their lives, quite a few in fact,
So I mean, I but I'm of the opinion that
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they are inter dimensional, that these are beings that are
in the same space as we are. It's just in
a higher dimension and they're not traveling millions of light
years away to get here. What are your thoughts on that.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
That's very possible. I mean, we don't know how to
do that, so that doesn't mean it can't be done,
but yes, that's very possible. I've never seen anything that
I would say, yeah, there it is. I've never seen
anything like that. I tell you what, since you brought
that up, I remember back. Let's see, I was about
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seventeen or eighteen and my friends that we always had
friends and friends that were on the block there, they moved.
They moved out north of Fort Worth and they wanted
me to go out there spend the weekend with them
in their house and they lived with their mother and
all that kind of thing and their dad. And so
I went out there and we played dominoes and all
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kinds of stuff and it's got time to go to bed.
We went to bed. I had a bedroom in there
all by myself. And I always bring this up because
it's only a weird event I've ever had. But I
was I was trying to go to sleep, and I
finally went to sleep, and then there was a large
noise woke me up. And I'm in the bed bed
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in that room all by myself, but this large noise
woke me up. And what it reminded me of was
like a stack of pots and pans like fell off
the table and hit the floor. You know, it just
made a large crash, and there was and the parents
were there in the bedroom next to me and the
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other there was three other boys and they were spread
out through the house. And I said, well, well, you know,
there's probably somebody in trying to cook up something for
snacks after midnight or something. But I never heard anybody
get up, and so I I said, oh, well, I'm
just gonna forget about it. But I put my head
back down, and all of a sudden I heard this
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was an old house, and all of a sudden, I
heard the floor is kind of creaking, and they were
like going down the wall there towards my door. There's
a large dining room, living room type thing, and I said, ah,
these guys are trying to They're going to run in
here and scare me, that's what they're going to do.
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I was getting ready for them, and the door had
one of those old diamond looking doorknobs, those old kind,
and I could I could hear they whoever was walked
over to the door and stopped, and then I heard
that door knob turning real slow. It's I said, yeah,
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they're going to yank that door open and come running
here screaming. So all of a sudden, I didn't hear
the door open. But this this is Texas in the summertime.
It's like ninety degrees eighty five something like that at night, summertime.
And and all of a sudden, I felt like someone
opened up the door of a freezer, and all this
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cold air just rushed in. This house didn't have a
central air. It was old house, had these other water
window units for the water, old kind of the water
on them. And and I knew immediately that cold air
is associated with ghost. Yes, So I shut my eyes.
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I did not want to see what was coming in
that door. And it was not making any screaming, wasn't
making any noise, wasn't doing anything. And and I started
hearing this thumping noise in my head, you know, And
I said, man, what the world is that? And I
had my arms around my chest and I could feel
(41:55):
my heart beating, and I was afraid. I was gared
to death about this ghost coming in here, is going
to get me and take me out of here whatever,
And that's all I remember. I woke up the next morning.
I jumped up out of the bed. They're all in
(42:16):
there eating breakfast and stuff like that. I jumped down,
ran in there. I was looking around and They looked
at me as by the time you got up now,
like I said, Well, I said, don't hear anything strange
last night? No, you'ren't hear any big crash or anything. No. Well,
who got up first? One of the boys? I did
you see any dishes or anything around the floor?
Speaker 1 (42:37):
No?
Speaker 3 (42:39):
And I said, okay, So I just let it ride.
And after that I started having dreams of a a
box kite flying in the air at night with lights
surrounding the edge of it, you know, red and white
lights and stuff like that. And this is out in
(43:00):
the out in the farm like farm acres, and nothing around.
And I would have dreams of that. And then after
that had joined the Navy, and we're back on the
back of the ship and everybody's starting to tell ghost
stories and stuff like that. I remembered mine. I started
telling them about that, and I got to thinking about that,
(43:23):
and I said, well, wait a minute, I said, if
my heart is beating on my chest and beating through
my brain, that means my adrenaline is really flowing. And
if my adrenaline is flowing, how come I went to sleep?
Mm hmmm, So I don't know about that night.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
Yeah, that's it. That's a strange one because it could
be paranormal, it could be ufo.
Speaker 3 (43:50):
It could be anything. And I had that dream about
the flying kite for a long time, but after that
equipped I'm getting cold chills now just telling you this.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
You'll probably have that dream again tonight, Steve, Oh my goodness,
like a flying kite.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
Huh. That's a box kite, just flattening.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
The box kite, kind of.
Speaker 3 (44:11):
Floating around up there. I didn't go back out that
house again and forget that.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
Have you ever been regressed?
Speaker 3 (44:21):
Uh? No? I asked Travis Walton about that, about it regressed,
and he says no. When I was talking to him,
he says, no, I haven't been regressed. He said I
don't think I want to do that, And I said,
oh why not? He said, well, I think that I
died and they brought me back, so if I get regressed,
(44:43):
I might die while I'm being regressed. I said, okay,
I understand that. Yeah, okay, So no, I have not
been regressed.
Speaker 5 (44:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
Well, the thing is that once you're regressed, then you
find out what happened and then you can't ever forget it.
So some people don't want to deal with whatever it was.
Speaker 3 (45:04):
That's kind of the way I'm looking at it too.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
Yeah, as you mentioned it, I've been regressed a couple
of times. But I quit just for that reason, because
I don't want to see anymore.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
I went on a little voyage with the UFO hunters
one time one weekend. They went to the Aurora Cemetery
here north of Fort Worth, and they had a ground
piercing radar set up and they did a ground piercing
radar event over the grave of the alien they's supposed
to be in the rural cemetery. And they also took
(45:44):
the little building that was on top of the well
on the property there where they're supposed to hold the
UFO parks that were picked up. They supposed to have
thrown them down the well, and so they pulled up
off the little building over there, and I ran over
real quick took a picture down there because I didn't
want to saying no, there's nothing there. But there was
(46:06):
nothing there. There's nothing down that well. So there's that.
But the interesting thing that I saw about that area
where this supposed UFO crashed, you know, almost one hundred
years ago, if not that long, but there's no grass
for about an area that I would say probably oh
(46:29):
about a twenty yard rocks, but there's grass everywhere else,
So I thought that's kind of strange.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
But yeah, that is that is strange, and we should
mention that if if there is evidence left behind, A
lot of evidence get sent to the moof On Lab
in Saint Louis, Yes, where Lynn as the director of
the lab and Melvin Vikel, the CI for Missouri, has
(47:07):
stepped up as a lab assistant and he's learning how
to do a lot of testing because yeah, Lynn has
been kind of overwhelmed. There's been a lot of evidence
since the lab. One in particular that I know of
was one of my cases and she was able to
lift fingerprints off of a sea pat machine and yeah,
(47:31):
and they came back as non human.
Speaker 3 (47:34):
That's interesting.
Speaker 2 (47:36):
Yeah, it is. It's one of my best case. I
need to break that up for the move On Journal
because it's a good one. Yeah, there was a lot
going on there. We had film evidence, bright lights coming
in the window, and then the man hanging on and
then the woman his wife from her bedroom down the
(48:00):
hall saw an et come out of his room and yeah,
pretty wild, very credible people do.
Speaker 3 (48:11):
Which which kind of et was it? Did they say?
Speaker 2 (48:14):
I believe she said they were the typical grays. Okay,
three to four feet tall, pretty pretty short. What are
some of the most common ET's that people claim to
see the grays? Yeah? Are they all the little ones
or the taller ones?
Speaker 3 (48:35):
Well, the little ones first, and the taller ones are
the ones when they get on the ship. The taller
ones are coming the ones that's come in and uh
uh do the procedures, medical procedures, whatever it is.
Speaker 4 (48:47):
Uh huh.
Speaker 3 (48:48):
So I guess the taller ones are smarter than the
little ones.
Speaker 2 (48:54):
Yeah, I said. The weirdest one or ones to me
are the mantis.
Speaker 4 (49:00):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (49:01):
Can you imagine reptilians?
Speaker 2 (49:03):
Yeah, and the reptilians a seven and nine foot tall
et that looks like a reptile or or a mantis insect.
Speaker 3 (49:11):
Yeah. I wouldn't want to see any of those.
Speaker 2 (49:14):
Those are those are strange.
Speaker 3 (49:17):
They wouldn't want to see me either, because everywhere I
go I pack my gun. Say.
Speaker 2 (49:24):
Well, if they're inter dimensional, I don't suppose that would
do any good. But if they're in three D it
would I know? Yeah, uh yeah, I've been uh when
I'm when I go out on investigations anymore. I'm always
packing as well.
Speaker 3 (49:42):
Of course I carry of nineteen eleven forty five MT.
Maybe I'm pretty good with it.
Speaker 2 (49:51):
Oh that's good. I carry a thirty eight special. I'm
not that great with it unless you're really close to me.
Speaker 3 (49:57):
Oh that, asked me. One time. She says, I'm thinking
about buying a gun, and I said, well, I say
what I say you if you buy a gun, get
it and go somewhere and have someone teach you how
to use it, how to shoot it, what to expect
and all that kind of thing. She says, well, why
(50:18):
all you go do is just pull the trigger, And
I said, well, there's more good than that the gun.
If you don't hold it just right, it'll fall out
of your hand and it might hit the ground and
go off again and shoot you. So you need to
do that, and she did. She finally did, and she
thanked me for telling.
Speaker 2 (50:34):
Her that, yeah, you you have, Yes, you do have
to know how to handle the gun. And uh, yeah,
I've got my h One of our field investigators in
Kansas City, Geene Walker. She was the first one to
get a gun, and she goes every Wednesday to practice
(50:54):
really arrange yep.
Speaker 3 (50:56):
Well she uses a lot of money on bullets.
Speaker 2 (51:00):
Yeah, well practice bullets, but nonetheless, yeah, but she's she's
a good shot. I'm a good shot with a rifle,
but not with a handgun. It makes me feel safer though,
if I have it so right, Yeah, but you do,
you know, And one thing people should know is that
(51:21):
investigators don't go out in the field by themselves. There's
always two or more investigators.
Speaker 3 (51:28):
Yeah, I should be at least two.
Speaker 7 (51:30):
Yeah, yeah, all right, Well, Steve, thank you so much
for coming on the show tonight and telling us about
mof on a little bit of your history.
Speaker 2 (51:42):
And also you're paranormal and UFO encounters. Who knows what
they were?
Speaker 3 (51:49):
That's right, I'm telling who it is. I'm telling what
did it. I had someone show me a picture of
a bigfoot and he was afraid, and he was in
the backseat of his car, and he was looking over
the back seat and over the hood, and this bigfoot
was doing what I call a kilroy. All you see
is the top of his nose and his eyeballs in
(52:10):
his head, top of his head, and I'm tetting her,
thinking to myself, you know, why would eight or ten
foot bigfoot get down on his hands and knees and
peek over the car hood. And then he showed me
another picture of the window. But in the back there
it had just looked like just this meary. I don't
know if it was a liquid spit or whatever on
(52:31):
his window. And he said, that's that's where the bigfoot
put his nose and rubbed his nose on it. And
I said, did you get a sample? He goes, no,
I did take it to the car washing and washed
it off.
Speaker 2 (52:43):
Oh I hate that when that happens. Oh my gosh. Yes,
people do that sort of thing.
Speaker 3 (52:50):
There goes the DNA sample.
Speaker 2 (52:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (52:53):
Yeah, but anyway, I run into that all the time.
Speaker 2 (52:58):
Yeah. Yeah, that's people don't think about collecting evidence until
after the fact. It seems. I've done several cases like that.
Oh I had evidence, but I wanted to get rid
of it. That's the thing. They just they don't They
didn't want the event to happen in the first place.
(53:18):
Then they want to get rid of anything, so they
don't think about it.
Speaker 3 (53:22):
Yes, that's true. It kind of makes you wonder why
they even made a report.
Speaker 2 (53:28):
Yeah. Well, and then the other thing I find interesting
is that people forget, They forget details very quickly. So
it's really important to report a sighting right away to
move On because move On will investigate and you know,
put everything in there that you remember said. Do it
(53:48):
as soon after the sighting as you possibly can.
Speaker 3 (53:51):
And move one's going to ask you all of those
hard questions.
Speaker 2 (53:57):
Yes, indeed, yes we are. Well, thank you so much, Steve,
and I hope you'll come back again sometime.
Speaker 3 (54:04):
Okay, keep me on your list.
Speaker 2 (54:08):
I will do that, all right. Everybody, thank you so
much for joining us, and we'll see you here again
next week. Okay, that's
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