August 25, 2025 • 55 mins
Anna Scott is a lifelong experiencer whose encounters span the paranormal spectrum—UFOs, ETs, ghostly manifestations, and cryptid phenomena, including Bigfoot. Her deep immersion in these mysteries began in the 1970s and evolved into decades of serious investigation. Guided by both firsthand experience and scientific curiosity, Anna earned degrees in Applied Biological Sciences and Nursing and brings over 20 years of public health expertise to her work. As North Dakota’s MUFON State Director and a field investigator since 2018, she has led numerous case studies involving UFO sightings and contact experiences. She’s also a member of MUFON’s Experiencer Resource Team (ERT) executive committee and contributes to the Scientific Coalition for UAP Studies (SCU), where she bridges field research with biological and environmental analysis. Her investigations range from haunted locations and entity encounters to unexplained aerial phenomena and cryptid sightings. Featured in multiple publications and podcasts, Anna is known for her grounded yet open-minded approach to the unknown. Her unique blend of scientific rigor and experiential insight makes her a trusted voice in both the experiencer community and the wider paranormal field.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to Meanwhile here on Earth. This
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
Righting Well, good evening everyone. This is Marchie K and
this really is unexed news. But we're having a number
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of problems lately. I had just all kinds of difficulty
connecting with our guest tonight, but all kinds of other
things have been happening lately, and I don't know, maybe
trying to block us from doing this show. I'm not sure,
but it really is the inexed news this evening. So
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we've got an excellent guest tonight. I know you're going
to like this show. And if you're into weirdness and
paranormal and UFOs and hauntings, you're going to like this guest.
Anna Scott is a lifelong experiencer who's encounters spanned the
paranormal spectrum, UFOs ets, ghostly manifestations, and cryptid phenomena, including Bigfoot.
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Her deep immersion in these mysteries began in the nineteen
seventies and evolved into decades of serious investigation, guided by
both first hand experience and scientific curiosity. Anna earned excuse
degrees in applied biological sciences and nursing, and brings over
twenty years of public health expertise to her work. She's
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also the North Dakota Moufon State Director and a field investigator.
Since twenty eighteen, she's led numerous case studies involving UFO,
sudings and contact experiences. Welcome to the program.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Anna, Hi, thank you for having me.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Margie, Well, I'm so glad we finally got together. Yes,
and we'll just cross our fingers that nothing horrible is
going to happen during the broadcast and take us out
like a tornado because we've got another storm coming here.
So do tell. Let's start at the beginning. How did
you get interested in paranormal subjects?
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Well, it wasn't so much of getting interested in something.
It was basically what surrounded me growing up. So I
didn't really have an option. It was always present in
one form or another.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Okay, well that does kind of that happens to some
of us in the world. We get hit over the
head with paranormal and our friends and nabors nothing going on,
even if they live in the same house with this,
how do you account for that?
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Well, in my case, a lot of people around me
experienced strange things when they were with me, so I
was fortunate in that way. But overall, I think it really,
you know, the common denominator is some form of a
consciousness connection. I really do believe that there is so
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much overlap between all of the different genres of the
paranormal there has to be something there that connects them.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Well, we would be on the same page as far
as that is concerned, definitely. Though you have degrees in
apply biological scientists and nursing, how does that help you
with your investigations?
Speaker 3 (03:53):
I think.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
I think the easiest way to understand that is to
go back in time and figure out, you know, talk
about why I pursued science, and a lot of event
stems from all of this strangeness around me growing up.
You know, I definitely was a kind of a weird kid.
I will have to admit that I saw the world
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very differently. I seem to know things that my friends
didn't know. And when I was about maybe fifth grade
or so, I noticed that there was kind of a split,
and that most of the kids in my class and
that surrounded me in the neighborhood went off to more
normal lives and I kind of lived in this unusual space,
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and I didn't like that. I didn't like that I
didn't really understand all of these different things, because if
they were happening to me, why aren't they happening to
everybody else. I didn't like some of the negative reactions
that people had that were with me during some of
these strange events, and I really wanted to understand it.
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So even you know, as a ten, eleven, twelve year
old child, I decided that science made sense and it
was predictable and you know, reproducible, and so that's really
what pushed me into the realm of science, because I
just had a deep need to try and understand.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
What the heck all of this stuff was. And so.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
The only class I really excelled in, to be honest,
in school, is my science courses. I felt comfortable and
safe there. It made sense to me, and so eventually,
when I became an adult, I gravitated towards you know,
scientific exploration. In studies and in my work profession, I
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did decide to go to school and get a degree
in biological sciences and worked in a clinical lab, so
I have a lot of background and how to collect restments,
process specimens, different different ways that you can contaminate things.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
It gave me a lot of background information on that.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
I also had an interest in environmental science, and so
initially in college I did have some field courses where
I was out in the field collecting things and so
as you can probably imagine, those two things really helped
me in eufology, doing those on site investigations. But that's
really where it came from.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
When you were well, let's say, at what age did
the paranormal or the unnormal happened for you? When did
that start?
Speaker 3 (06:46):
I don't know. I don't have an age.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
My earliest memory is unusual, and so i'd like to
think it started there. You know. My earliest memory is
maybe two or three years old, and I was in
a very weird crib like structure and there were these
strange people that would not let me go home until
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I drank this awful white, chalky substance that I didn't like,
and I didn't want to drink it. And I've never
quite understood what that was I was in the hospital
a few times when I was a child, so you know,
I fully acknowledged that maybe it was some sort of
distorted memory from that, but there was something odd about it.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
And you know, as I progressed in grade school, I
was in these odd studies that I've been doing more
research on lately. I'm not really sure what any of
that stuff really was about.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Okay, so what sorts of odd studies.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Well, there was there was a number of us in
grade school that were involved in a fluoride study and
it was just a regular Swiss.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
And spit and.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
You know, just I'm assuming some sort of dental type study.
You know, it does fluoride rinse's help, And that's what
I always thought. And I see that expression, and that's
exactly what I started thinking about years ago. But I remember,
how so, having to take these hearing tests, and there
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was different kinds of hearing tests, and some of them
were normal, and I do remember other kids lined up
behind me and you had the headphones on and you
had to raise your hand when you heard the tone.
But other hearing tests, they don't make sense to me
when I look back at them, and if you've ever
seen an airstream trailer. There was a trailer similar to that.
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It was this big silver sided trailer that would pull
up in front of the school and I would have
to go out for my hearing tests at least a
couple times a year, and I remember there were times
where there was other students, but by the time I
was maybe in fourth or fifth grade, I was the
only student. There was other things that I was the
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only student of at that time period as well, but
I would go in and I would have these hearing tests,
and looking back, they don't make sense because it was
really a situation where I was in.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
A box, it was dark, I couldn't see.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
It was definitely some type of sensory you know, deprivation
type environment. And I remember very strange questions can I
see this, can I see that? And can I hear this?
But they don't make sense as far as like a
hearing test goes. So I do have these questions, and
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the more the more I search on that, the more
I realize I'm not alone and the other people that
have experienced some of this are in the paranormal community
as well, so that it can't be a coincidence.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Exactly. I have to tell you that for myself and
other people I know in the field of paranormalogy and eufology,
and they also have had these strange experiences as children.
And it seems to me that the teachers somehow know
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that if they run across someone who has certain abilities,
that they are to tell someone else. And then you
have more testing done by another person or a counselor
or like in your case, outside of the school, and
then weird stuff starts to happen. And I just think
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that there's some type of a secret program that's probably
been going on for many years with the school system
so that they can identify certain people, and it sounds
like you're one of them.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
I definitely had some unusual experiences that that is for sure.
I've reached out to some people that I went to
grade school with, a couple of them were in the
floride studies that they at least what they remember, and
they dropped out of those fluoride studies much sooner than
I did. Something that's interesting to me is that those
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particular people, while not openly in the paranormal community, have
a tremendous amount of empathy and concerns about the world
around them. I find that interesting. I did as well.
A story that I like to tell people about how
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maybe I wasn't a normal kid is when I was
in sixth grade. My science project for sixth grade was
a model that I created out of plaster, and it
was of the Minneapolis Saint Paul metropolitan area and the suburbs,
and because that's where I live, that's where I grew up,
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and it was what would happen if a ten kilo
ton nuclear war had detonated over downtown Minneapolis. So you
know that that really wasn't on the minds almost eleven
year olds in my class. But that was something that's
always kind of been present in my life. And as
you well know, experiencers often report a lot of concern
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about the environment and concern over nuclear weapons. And so
when did that start? I have no idea. It's always
been a part of me. But that just kind of
goes to show you that even in sixth grade, I
was a little different maybe indeed.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Indeed, and you know, you mentioned the fluoride study, and
of course we know now that flora i uh, really
inhibits the pineal gland, which is the number one gland
in the human body that allows us to well for
good brain function, but also activates our psychic abilities, our
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sixth sense abilities, all of them, not just one thing,
but a lot of things. And uh so that concerns me.
But with your abilities now, and even going back that far,
I just wonder if it wasn't fluoride, it might have
been something else.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
Well, I you know, obviously I can't tell for sure
what it was. I have used fluoride rinses, you know,
at the dentists as an adult, and the taste is
almost identical.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
I don't discern any difference in the taste, so.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
At least it had the taste of fluoride, and I
would I would definitely like to know more about that.
I have done quite a bit of research trying to
get at those studies.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Look at that research. It has to have been published someplace,
and I can't find it.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Oh boy, well that's probably it's probably unreachable, would be
my guest. Some agency has it that's got it locked up. Wow. Well,
let's let's just delve into some of your experiences. What
are some of the most dramatic paranormal experiences you've.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Had, Well, I've had quite a few over the years,
and they seem to come about in clusters, is what
I've noticed, and I haven't really been able to determine
any pattern to the clusters. But there was quite a
bit when I was in like junior high school that
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twelve to fifteen age rained and one that always sticks
out to me, and I've told a few people about
it over the last few years, is there was in
the neighborhood that I grew up in, there was a
lot of parks. There was a creek that went along
about a block from me, and there was park on
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both sides of the creek, and there was trails on
both sides of the creek, and there in order to
get to my home, I would have to cross over
a bridge. It was a very small bridge, but it
did allow cars to travel over it. And so I
was out late with some friends of mine. It was summertime.
It was probably nine thirty, quarter to ten, it was
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getting dark, and so we weren't walking in the park.
We were walking in the street alongside the park, and
all of a sudden, I felt like I was watched.
I I just knew, and I can't explain how I knew,
and I looked over my right shoulder, and up along
the power lines were these spheres. They were about the
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size of a basketball, maybe slightly larger. They were semi translucent,
and at that time, I didn't have a name for them,
so I just called them bubbles because they looked very similar.
They had that iridescence the bubbles too, And so I
immediately told my friends, my two friends that I was with,
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Oh my god, they're back. And they looked up in
the direction that I had looked up at, and I
just yelled run.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
And so we started running. And there was myself.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
On the left hand side, my best friend who was
in the middle, and her cousin who frequently hung out
with us.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
She was the same age as us.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
And I don't think that my best friend actually saw anything,
but we were running. She was screaming and crying. She
just was really upset because she didn't know what was
going on, I think. And there was about maybe less
than a block between where we were at and the
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bridge that crossed over the creek, and so as we
started approaching the bridge, I looked back over my right
shoulder again just to see where they were at, and
I saw one coming really.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Fast, and it looked like it was.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
Going to actually collide with my friend's cousin's head, and
so I yelled out to her watch out, and she
looked back and she ducked at the appropriate moment, so
I know that she saw it. Yeah, And as that
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was happening, we were approaching the bridge and turning onto
the bridge because there was a left turn there, and
the bubbles instead of continuing to follow us or circle
back because there was one kind of behind us than
the one that almost hit her, they both went off
over the creek, and so they left us alone. And
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I still remember looking out and seeing them go towards
the creek. And I say both because I don't recall
them being three of them.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
I recall two of them. There could have been three.
There might have been another one that I didn't see,
but I only recall seeing two.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
And as it was clear that they weren't coming after
us anymore, they were going down the creek and that
you could still see them. By this time, it was
pretty dark, but I wouldn't say they were glowing. It
was more just the kind of an ear doescent light.
My best friend was in tears and her cousin was like,
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what was that, And I clearly remember saying to her,
I don't know what they are, but I know you
don't want to end up in one. And I've always
wondered at that because I don't have any recollection of
being in one. I acutely understood what they were, and
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I always want to make it clear that I wasn't
really fearful of these.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
This was more.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
Kind of a adolescent Oh.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
I don't know really what the word for it is,
but I didn't. I just didn't want to.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
It was more like defiance, like you don't have not
going to make me do this. I don't want to
do this, And so it wasn't like I was afraid
of what would happen to me if I was in one.
It was more like I was afraid of not even afraid.
I was upset that they were there and I didn't
and with your friends too exactly, and I didn't want
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to do what they wanted. So what actually happens in
the bubbles, I don't know. My My assumption, based on
that experience and other experiences that I've had with them,
is that that's some kind of transport device. But I
really can't say that for sure. What I can say
for sure is that it did a reputable harm to
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my friendship and it was never the same after that,
because she just didn't understand. And that was not the
first odd experience. It was the most dramatic, but not
the first odd experience that she'd had with me. Interestingly, though,
she went on to become quite religious, which was not
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something that she grew up with, and I haven't I
haven't talked to her for many, many years. Her cousin
went on to a career in military intelligence and worked
at some places that are very interesting in the eufology world.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
So I find.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
That that's interesting. Yes, that the two of you are
both involved in euthology a different way.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Is oh my god, exactly exactly.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
There had to be some influence there.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
I would like to think that, Yes, I tend to
be more pragmatic and don't want to make giant leaps,
but it would seem that there would be us.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Yeah. Well, lots of people have seen the bubbles or
the balls of light or what orbs and whatever you
want to call them, and of course the jury is
still out as to what they are, but the fact
is thousands and thousands of people have seen them, and
of course as a ufologist, you've probably heard many accounts
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from your witnesses. Have any of your witnesses described anything
similar to what you saw?
Speaker 4 (21:47):
Many many of them have, actually, particularly when it's involved
with my work with the ERT, the Experience or Research
Resource Team move ON And as you know, we're a
group of investigators that really make a choice to work
with people who have experienced the phenomenon, and many of
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them have had a lot of trauma around it, and
so there's a lot of there's a lot of parallels
to things in my life that I've heard in those stories.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Those are recounts of their experiences.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Yeah, the ERT team is a very valuable resource. It
is completely separate for those of you who don't know
that from move On investigations. There would be an investigator
with the case, and then in the case of an
abduction or contact, then there will be an ERT person
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to contact you. And that person is like you, ANNA,
has had their own experiences and so they can better
relate to the person and basically help them deal with
the situation.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
Yes, absolutely, and we have the ability within the RITE
to provide some resources if they need referrals to counseling
or support groups and stuff.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
But yeah, well that's it. It's I worked on the
er T for a while until I got too overwhelmed
with other things. But it is something that's very needed,
and you know, it's a very worthy thing that you
and others are doing for people, because you know, there
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are a lot of people have had strange experiences and encounters.
Some people deal with it very well on their own,
and they they might have a curiosity about it, but
they don't let it rule their life. And then other
people have a very difficult time dealing with the fact
that there's non human intelligences out there that are visiting
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Earth or who are living here on Earth and are
involved with humanity in some fashion. Of course, we don't
nobody has all the answers. But one of the things
that I tell people who seem to be overly upset
about the situation is have they harmed you physically? And
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the answers usually know and are you still alive? Yes,
so obviously their intention is not to wipe humanity off
the Earth, correct, And they'll say yeah, okay, So that
usually calms them down so you can continue the conversation.
Is that kind of what you tell people as well?
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Or what do you tell them?
Speaker 4 (24:43):
Well, in many cases, yes, it really just depends on
what they need. So sometimes they're looking for advice or guidance,
and sometimes they just want somebody to just listen to
them and take them seriously. So I really give any
advice or guidance based on what they're telling me and
what I think that their needs are. But overall, yes,
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you know, there's certainly people who feel they've been harmed
from the phenomenon, and there's a lot of people that
aren't sure exactly what it is. You know, are ET's
actually extraterrestrials or maybe they're demons, or maybe there's some
other type of entity. They're not really sure, and depending
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upon what their needs are, I will refer them to
appropriate resources.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Okay, that sounds good, and we are up on a break.
It will be back right after these messages.
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And we're back with Unexed News. I'm your host, Margie k.
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In this evening, we are speaking with Anna Scott. And
Anna is a UFHOE investigator, a paranormal investigator. She's had
a lot of experiences herself. And about how many reports
or investigations do you think that you've completed over the years.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
Oh, my goodness, probably hundreds. I guess I haven't really counted.
And that really goes the whole gambit from UFOs and
et experiences to Bigfoot and other types, you know, ghost
encounters and haunted homes. And I'm gonna have to check
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out your book that I just saw advertised, So that'll
be an interesting read, I.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Think, yeah, yeah, I think you'd like it. So let's
just take a topic right now. Let's say Bigfoot. What
do you have to say about Bigfoot? Have you had
your own personal encounters with this creat.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
Well, I can't say that I've seen Bigfoot. I can
say that I spent a lot of time in my
youth in north central Minnesota and I still am there
quite a bit, and I've seen lots of dark, hairy
creatures in the woods, but never a very good shot,
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kind of like a UFO, right, you can never really
take a good picture.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
But I've heard lots of wood knocks.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
In fact, growing up that was just kind of the
background noise when I'd be up there as a kid.
Both my sister and I would hear them, and we
never really knew what they were and never really thought
about it. And so when I first started research seeing,
you know, bigfoot, what is bigfoot back in the mid eighties,
I was like, wood knocks. Hm, maybe that's what it
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was that I was hearing, because it's certainly what bird.
It definitely wasn't a woodpecker. I certainly know all the
different sounds that they make. It was clearly a would knocks.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
So when I was something like a heavy, heavy stick
hitting a tree, that would have been done by a
big person, yes.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
Right, and it has this very distinct sound. And my
sister and I have talked about that over the years.
It's like, why didn't we ever go out to the
woods to investigate that, you know, we should have as kids,
but we didn't. And yeah, I have heard it even
the last few years. The property that I have backs
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up to thousands and thousands of acres of state forest,
and so there's really nothing behind me. I could literally
walk for days if I was going in specific directions
and not find any roads.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
So there's yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
The different Bigfoot teams exist in the area, and some
TV shows have been up there doing some some episodes
in the past.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
So in fact, i'd like an ideal squatchy area it is.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
In fact, I was just in Raumer, Minnesota at the
Reamer Bigfoot Days festival has coined themselves as the Bigfoot
Capital of the world.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
Whether that's sure or not, I don't know, but there's
definitely a lot of people interested in bigfoot up there,
and I think for good reason.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Well, it certainly has been seen everywhere. Do you have
you done investigations for other people who have witnessed bigfoot?
Speaker 4 (31:52):
So I haven't done investigations for other people who have
witnessed bigfoot. I have done investigations with other people to
see if we could find evidence of Bigfoot though, and.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
In one investigation.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
I tried, I tried a little trick to see if
I could maybe capture something. There was some unusual impressions
in the ground, but it wasn't quite obvious what was
causing them.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
It could have been.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
Large bears. For instance, there's a lot of black bear
in that area. And so I put up a trail cam,
a high quality one, and had it set to immediately
film if anything came in. And so of course I
got lots of trees moving and other things because of
the setting that I had.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
But I had placed a heavy plate with.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
Some snacks, and I know it sounds kind of funny,
some snacks and some wood carvings and some other little
things that supposedly bigfoot likes, you know, as a gift,
a token gift. And interestingly enough, the plate was on
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the ground. Okay, not so crazy. Maybe it was a
big animal that came by. The trinkets were gone, and
when I took a look at the footage, the footage
showed everything just fine. And then immediately the next frame
was everything was gone, the plate was on the ground,
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there was nothing in between.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Oh okay, So you know, it made me wonder.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
What exactly happened there, because I don't think I don't
think a bear would have done anything. I would have
seen some if it was a human being, I would
have seen in my other cams and I didn't see
any of that, so I still wonder what the.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
Heck happened there.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Well, there has been some theory that sasquatch can manipulate
time and space, so it certainly sounds like that might
have happened in that case.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
Yes, I I wonder about that.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
I was doing my own wood knox and so it's
it's a lot harder to make that sound than you
would think, actually, right, Yes, yes, And this was in
an area where again I had seen impressions both in
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the soil and in snow. Actually, I have some pictures
of my foot up against what looks like a bigfoot,
but I can't be certain because there was some melting
that occurred in the snow. And you know that scientific
mind wants absolutely proof. I need to make sure that
I'm you know, ruling out every possible thing, you know,
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and then what's left is probably what's true. And so
that that's something I want to do some more work on.
I find it fascinating.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
And then there's.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
Another part of me that says, do I really want
bigfoot coming towards the house? Because I'm not quite sure
that I do, right, So there's that piece as well.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Yeah, there is that someday I'll tell you a story
about an encounter. But let's get to UFOs now. So
you saw the bubbles balls of light. Have you seen
a bona fide ufo?
Speaker 4 (35:35):
Oh yes, okay, several times. Some strange things around that too.
So I was I will out the town in this podcast.
I was in this little town called Cavalier in North Dakota.
And Cavalier is a typical small town, very rural area,
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not a lot of people or population there, but but
it does have nearby is a Cavalier Air Station and
it used to be part of a very large it
was called the Michelson Safeguard Complex and it was, you know,
back in the Cold War, we had radar systems and
intercept missile systems to protect our country. And so there's
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lots of unusual things about that particular complex that I
won't get into here. But that's the reason why I
was up there. And I was staying at this little
motel in town. And one of the things that I
typically do in the evening is I go for my
evening walk. It's just relaxing for me. It kind of
helps censor myself. And so I was walking around this
town and the town is small, and I was walking
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along basically the perimeter.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
It was a residential area.
Speaker 4 (36:48):
It was paved road, and there was homes on both sides,
and to the east of me, behind the homes there
was nothing but field, so you could see for very
long ways. And as I was walking along, I was
aware and thought it was peculiar that all of a
sudden everything was quiet. I've experienced this before on a
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number of times. Jenny Randalls termed this the odds factor.
So I noticed that happening, and it caught my attention,
and I stopped in the middle of this residential street,
and I looked over and I saw what I can
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only describe as a massive warehouse sized and shaped white object.
And it was roughly a mile away, roughly two thousand
feet in the air. A little bit difficult to gauge
size and distance because the topography up there is very
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flat and there's not a lot of freeze or background,
but that's my best estimate. And I just stood there
in the middle of this residential street and watched this thing,
and it was moving very slowly.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
There was no sound.
Speaker 4 (38:16):
I didn't it might have been too far away to
hear I'm not quite sure, but it was extremely large,
and I'm just standing there watching it, and I noticed
that the only sound I can really hear, other than
the sounds my own body is making, breathing and whatnot
and crunching a little bit on the gravel underneath me,
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is this squeaking noise. And so I happened to notice
this little girl on a swing, and she's swinging back
and forth, and she sees me just standing in the
middle street, staring off right, and so she got off
her swing and she looked around behind her and she
yelled that to her mom, Mom, what is that?
Speaker 3 (39:02):
What is that?
Speaker 4 (39:04):
And then I could hear a door open, but I
couldn't see the door, and I heard a woman's voice say,
get in the house, and so she went in the house.
And so I stood there for I'm not quite sure
how long, my guess is ten fifteen minutes something like that,
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just staring at this thing. And finally it moved enough
so that I couldn't see it behind It was behind homes,
and I couldn't see it anymore.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
So I started walking.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
And I walked along the street for another two blocks
or so, and I would stop occasionally when I could
see it between homes.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
Off in the distance.
Speaker 4 (39:44):
And the strange thing is is that I had my
phone in my back pocket didn't think to take a picture.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
No, you didn't, you know.
Speaker 4 (39:57):
I still there was no noise. There was no noise
at all, and I was aware of it, but my
mind wasn't quite there. It's really difficult to describe that feeling.
And as I approached main street, I really couldn't see
it very well anymore. And instead of what I should
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have done, was, you know, rush over behind these homes
and take out my phone and take pictures, right, No,
I didn't do that. I get bored, and I was like,
oh man, and started walking away from it. And as
I did that, all of the sounds of the city
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that the small town I shouldn't call it a city,
came rushing back in. And all of a sudden, there
was cars that I could see on this main street
that you know, I could see life and human beings,
and I could hear the dogs out barking in the background,
and the birds chirping, and just the normal back on.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
Noise that you would hear in a small town.
Speaker 4 (41:03):
And I kept walking about another half a block and
there was this little gazebo in the center of town,
and so I sat down and I pulled out my
phone and I started scrolling through Facebook, and I was
like it hit me all of a sudden, it was like, yeah, wait,
what's just happened here?
Speaker 3 (41:22):
I had my Why didn't I take a picture? I
had my phone. Yeah, It's just it's it drives you crazy.
Speaker 4 (41:29):
That you know.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
That's very typical though, of people who see something that's
so fantastic they go into kind of I don't know,
hypnotic trance or shock. And I've done it myself, not
pulled my phone out to take a picture and I
have it on me, and you just don't think of
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that until it's gone, and then you're like, oh, wait
a minute, where's my phone. Yeah, there is something that happens,
and you know what you described without hearing sound, kind
of like being in a vacuum. That's also very typical
of people who have close UFO encounters. It is, Yeah,
I have a feeling it wasn't quite as far away
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as you initially thought. Maybe maybe it was a little closer,
but you were in the field, you were in the
EMF field, whatever that was, you know, type of energy
that that was creating you were in it, yea, and
it allters time space reality, you.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
Know, it really can.
Speaker 4 (42:34):
When I, oh, probably about twenty fifteen, I finally decided
that I'm not going to hide in the shadows anymore.
Speaker 3 (42:42):
I'm actually going.
Speaker 4 (42:43):
To go out and do investigations that aren't you know whispered, Hey,
have you heard anything kind of things that I've been
doing in the past. And I really kind of came
out in the UFO world and joined moufon and did
all of those things. And in that process, I went
and I did a whole bunch of road trips and
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because I love to travel, and so I went to
all of these different sites that supposedly there was a
UFO crash. You know, I fought with the cattle near
Corona trying to get to the site and got permission
to park at the Hind's house, and you know, before
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I took off on my two and a half mile
trek through rattlesnake hills and cattle.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
No, I've done all these crazy things, right, Yeah. So
during that whole process, I had kind.
Speaker 4 (43:43):
Of a affinity towards Sunspot, New Mexico, and there was
some interesting things about sun Spot. But since I was
out there, I wanted to go to White Sands, and
because they have a National Monument there, it's beautiful out there,
and so so I went out to the monument and
I started hiking through the Gypsum dunes and the same
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thing happened. All of a sudden, I was looking north
towards where the Trinity Site would be, and I remember
the only thing I really remember.
Speaker 3 (44:16):
I don't remember seeing a craft.
Speaker 4 (44:17):
I remember seeing a light, and then I remember hearing
this weird, tinny sound from voices that were far too
far away for me to be able to hear what
they were saying. It was a family on the dunes,
maybe a quarter mile away, maybe a little farther, and
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they weren't yelling or anything. They were just talking, and
I could hear them perfectly, but it almost sounded like
it was coming through a transistor radio. And I mentioned
this because it was identical to the way the little
girl sounded and her mother sounded in the Cavalier incident.
And I heard no sound other than my own breathing
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in them.
Speaker 3 (45:04):
I looked out.
Speaker 4 (45:05):
I didn't see any any vehicles, I didn't see any
other people, and I almost felt a little high or something.
I can't really describe the feeling other than I felt giddy.
And it was a very surreal experience. And so I
ended up kind of wandering around and it's like, this
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is really strange. And I thought, well, you know, gypsum
is used in soundproofing.
Speaker 3 (45:32):
It must be that, and.
Speaker 4 (45:33):
That's why this all sounds so strange. And if you've
ever been out there, some of those dunes can be
very very high, forty fifty feet or more. And I
decided that I was just going to jump and slide
down on a phase and I literally laughed the whole
way down, and that's not typically me. And I got
(45:59):
down to the bottom and I started walking and eventually
the sound came back in again, and I thought, well,
that was weird. I got in my car and left
the monument and so I'm going down the highway there
and there's Holman Air Force Base on my left hand
(46:21):
side and or yeah, we've been on my left hand
side and these fighter jets that made zero sound, no
sound at all. I didn't see any means of propulsion
on the back end.
Speaker 3 (46:40):
They flew right over my car.
Speaker 4 (46:43):
And living in Fargo for many years, I'm acutely aware
of what happens when a fighter jet flies right over you.
Speaker 3 (46:52):
It's ear shattering, you know.
Speaker 4 (46:54):
I could feel the heat from the after burners many times,
and there's kind of a shock wave that kind of
hits your car. None of that happened. I still don't
know exactly what they were. I know that they were.
They looked human in the cockpits. They had cockpits. But
I found that interesting that there was that technology.
Speaker 2 (47:17):
But I thought, so you actually saw in the cockpits.
Speaker 3 (47:21):
Yes, they were that close close.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
Oh wow, they.
Speaker 4 (47:25):
Were probably not even fifty feet from me. I should
have I should have had my ear drums blasted and
the paint bubbling on my car.
Speaker 3 (47:35):
They were so close.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
That's interesting. I've had a couple of what we would
call big cases where we had aircraft show up that
did not make a sound, and we also had invisible
aircraft show up that sounded that you could hear it,
but you can see it. Uh so, NOE, And it's
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it's interesting that this type of thing shows up when
we think it's something about ours after a UFO siding,
and obviously they're there to check that out.
Speaker 4 (48:10):
Yes, and that the story gets even better. So, you know,
I continue along the highway and skirt through the outskirts
of Alamagordo, and I'm heading north because I'm planning on
going up to Santa Fe and some other places on
the northern end of New Mexico, and I had plenty
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of time. This was about three o'clock in the afternoon,
four o'clock in the afternoon, something like that, and so
I'm going along outside of Alamagordo and everything is normal
and fine, and I can see the mountains and I
was just thinking home.
Speaker 3 (48:51):
That was just a very strange experience.
Speaker 4 (48:54):
And all of a sudden, I feel really ill and
almost like I'm I liken it to coming out of anesthesia, actually,
because that's the only comparable thing that I can.
Speaker 3 (49:10):
Find in my memory. And it's almost dark.
Speaker 4 (49:14):
It's close to nine o'clock at night, and I was
really confused, and I pulled over, and interestingly, and I'm
not saying it's related, but interestingly, this was Corona, New
Mexico that I was in, and I pulled over, and
it took me a few minutes to kind of get
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my bearings, and I was just very groggy, and it
was disturbing and alarming, and I was like, well, okay,
I'm definitely not going to make it up to the
north end before dark because I really didn't want to
drive at late at nights on the desert roads and stuff.
So I remember looking at through my phone saying, okay, well,
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where can I stay because I really I didn't want
to stay in the motel in Corona.
Speaker 3 (50:03):
No offense to the motel in Corona.
Speaker 4 (50:04):
But and I opted for a reservation in Vaughan. And
it took me about twenty thirty minutes on the side
of the road before I felt like I was well
enough to.
Speaker 3 (50:18):
Be able to drive again.
Speaker 4 (50:20):
And for the life of me, I couldn't figure out
what happened. I have absolutely no memory other than maybe
a half an hour forty five minutes north of Allamagordo and.
Speaker 3 (50:30):
Ending up in that spot.
Speaker 4 (50:33):
And another thing that is interesting, And of course I'm
always looking for evidence. You know, my Google maps, my
timeline didn't know where I.
Speaker 3 (50:44):
Was either, oh.
Speaker 4 (50:48):
Yeah, and so it knew that I went down that stretch,
so I know that there was cell service, there was coverage.
It wasn't like there was a a you know, no
data available during that area because it registered my going south,
but it didn't know where I was going north, and
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it was just a gray line, didn't.
Speaker 3 (51:10):
Know where I was.
Speaker 2 (51:12):
Okay, so well, it's it's.
Speaker 4 (51:16):
Part fascinating to me and it's part disturbing because I
don't like not having control of, you know, kind of
what's happening to me.
Speaker 3 (51:25):
You know, do you.
Speaker 2 (51:28):
Do you try not to travel by yourself anymore?
Speaker 4 (51:33):
No?
Speaker 2 (51:35):
Do you do travel by yourself?
Speaker 4 (51:36):
I travel by myself all the time.
Speaker 2 (51:38):
Okay, okay, I did sometimes I do, but most of
the time I'm trying to have somebody go with me
because just like your experience, I have had experiences where
I feel strange, like something is gonna happen or something
has happened, and then I got ill. I got so
ill that I couldn't keep going and I had to
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find a place to stay. You know, I just wonder
how many other experienceers have that type of experience.
Speaker 4 (52:11):
That's a great question one that I don't know. Yeah,
I've had I've had enough things happened to me when
I'm with somebody that that maybe it's better.
Speaker 3 (52:23):
If I'm not with somebody.
Speaker 2 (52:25):
But yeah, yeah, that's true, because yeah, I got to
think about the other person too. Sometimes suppose exactly, I
mean I didn't.
Speaker 4 (52:34):
I didn't feel physically harmed in any way other than
feeling that really like nauseated, groggy feeling that's similar.
Speaker 3 (52:43):
To coming out of anesthesia.
Speaker 1 (52:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (52:45):
Yeah, but it was disturbing to say the least.
Speaker 2 (52:49):
So yeah, indeed, Well, we've got a couple of minutes
to go. What do you have coming up? But anything new, different,
any investigations, it's on your schedule.
Speaker 4 (53:01):
Well, I always have quite a few different things on
my schedule. Of course, I'm quite involved with Northland MOFON
and we're always.
Speaker 3 (53:09):
Doing interesting things.
Speaker 4 (53:11):
We're doing some things that expos but myself personally, aside
from MOFON, I am looking to really reach out with
some of the paranormal communities in the area because I
really do feel that it's more than just sufology. Certainly
in my own experiences, I have had many, many experiences with.
Speaker 3 (53:34):
Entities. I don't know what they are.
Speaker 4 (53:37):
I'm not convinced other than my grandmother and a couple
people that I know that have come to visit me
that they are dearely departed. I would really like to
explore some of that more. That was very prominent in
my life growing up and as a teenager, and I've
spent some time trying to ignore it because it's challenging
with kind of work I do acknowledging, acknowledging the spirit world.
Speaker 2 (54:03):
But right, that left, that left. Barry tries to kick
in and say, no.
Speaker 4 (54:10):
Well, yeah, when you when you're somebody that's around people
that are dying, and there's there's some some walls you
have to kind of put up around yourself just to
protect yourself, so as you probably well know, and now
I'm not working so much with the dying, and I'd
like to get back into some of that kind of bring.
Speaker 3 (54:33):
Down some of those walls.
Speaker 2 (54:35):
Well, that sounds good, and thank you for sharing that.
Thank you for sharing some of your experiences with this.
I hope you'll come back again sometime soon and we'll
we'll delve into more of your experiences. It's certainly an
interesting life, isn't it interesting? Yes, never a dull moment.
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It's once you go in the rabbit hole, you're in. Yes,
all right, thank you, Anna, I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (55:04):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (55:06):
Well, that is another episode for a next news and
I will see you again next week and we have
a new show coming up in August, so stay tuned
for that. We've got a new program coming. I'll see
you here again next week.
Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to Meanwhile here on Earth. This
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
Righting Well, good evening everyone. This is Marchie K and
this really is unexed news. But we're having a number
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of problems lately. I had just all kinds of difficulty
connecting with our guest tonight, but all kinds of other
things have been happening lately, and I don't know, maybe
trying to block us from doing this show. I'm not sure,
but it really is the inexed news this evening. So
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we've got an excellent guest tonight. I know you're going
to like this show. And if you're into weirdness and
paranormal and UFOs and hauntings, you're going to like this guest.
Anna Scott is a lifelong experiencer who's encounters spanned the
paranormal spectrum, UFOs ets, ghostly manifestations, and cryptid phenomena, including Bigfoot.
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Her deep immersion in these mysteries began in the nineteen
seventies and evolved into decades of serious investigation, guided by
both first hand experience and scientific curiosity. Anna earned excuse
degrees in applied biological sciences and nursing, and brings over
twenty years of public health expertise to her work. She's
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also the North Dakota Moufon State Director and a field investigator.
Since twenty eighteen, she's led numerous case studies involving UFO,
sudings and contact experiences. Welcome to the program.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Anna, Hi, thank you for having me.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Margie, Well, I'm so glad we finally got together. Yes,
and we'll just cross our fingers that nothing horrible is
going to happen during the broadcast and take us out
like a tornado because we've got another storm coming here.
So do tell. Let's start at the beginning. How did
you get interested in paranormal subjects?
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Well, it wasn't so much of getting interested in something.
It was basically what surrounded me growing up. So I
didn't really have an option. It was always present in
one form or another.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Okay, well that does kind of that happens to some
of us in the world. We get hit over the
head with paranormal and our friends and nabors nothing going on,
even if they live in the same house with this,
how do you account for that?
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Well, in my case, a lot of people around me
experienced strange things when they were with me, so I
was fortunate in that way. But overall, I think it really,
you know, the common denominator is some form of a
consciousness connection. I really do believe that there is so
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much overlap between all of the different genres of the
paranormal there has to be something there that connects them.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Well, we would be on the same page as far
as that is concerned, definitely. Though you have degrees in
apply biological scientists and nursing, how does that help you
with your investigations?
Speaker 3 (03:53):
I think.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
I think the easiest way to understand that is to
go back in time and figure out, you know, talk
about why I pursued science, and a lot of event
stems from all of this strangeness around me growing up.
You know, I definitely was a kind of a weird kid.
I will have to admit that I saw the world
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very differently. I seem to know things that my friends
didn't know. And when I was about maybe fifth grade
or so, I noticed that there was kind of a split,
and that most of the kids in my class and
that surrounded me in the neighborhood went off to more
normal lives and I kind of lived in this unusual space,
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and I didn't like that. I didn't like that I
didn't really understand all of these different things, because if
they were happening to me, why aren't they happening to
everybody else. I didn't like some of the negative reactions
that people had that were with me during some of
these strange events, and I really wanted to understand it.
(05:02):
So even you know, as a ten, eleven, twelve year
old child, I decided that science made sense and it
was predictable and you know, reproducible, and so that's really
what pushed me into the realm of science, because I
just had a deep need to try and understand.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
What the heck all of this stuff was. And so.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
The only class I really excelled in, to be honest,
in school, is my science courses. I felt comfortable and
safe there. It made sense to me, and so eventually,
when I became an adult, I gravitated towards you know,
scientific exploration. In studies and in my work profession, I
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did decide to go to school and get a degree
in biological sciences and worked in a clinical lab, so
I have a lot of background and how to collect restments,
process specimens, different different ways that you can contaminate things.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
It gave me a lot of background information on that.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
I also had an interest in environmental science, and so
initially in college I did have some field courses where
I was out in the field collecting things and so
as you can probably imagine, those two things really helped
me in eufology, doing those on site investigations. But that's
really where it came from.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
When you were well, let's say, at what age did
the paranormal or the unnormal happened for you? When did
that start?
Speaker 3 (06:46):
I don't know. I don't have an age.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
My earliest memory is unusual, and so i'd like to
think it started there. You know. My earliest memory is
maybe two or three years old, and I was in
a very weird crib like structure and there were these
strange people that would not let me go home until
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I drank this awful white, chalky substance that I didn't like,
and I didn't want to drink it. And I've never
quite understood what that was I was in the hospital
a few times when I was a child, so you know,
I fully acknowledged that maybe it was some sort of
distorted memory from that, but there was something odd about it.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
And you know, as I progressed in grade school, I
was in these odd studies that I've been doing more
research on lately. I'm not really sure what any of
that stuff really was about.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Okay, so what sorts of odd studies.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Well, there was there was a number of us in
grade school that were involved in a fluoride study and
it was just a regular Swiss.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
And spit and.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
You know, just I'm assuming some sort of dental type study.
You know, it does fluoride rinse's help, And that's what
I always thought. And I see that expression, and that's
exactly what I started thinking about years ago. But I remember,
how so, having to take these hearing tests, and there
(08:26):
was different kinds of hearing tests, and some of them
were normal, and I do remember other kids lined up
behind me and you had the headphones on and you
had to raise your hand when you heard the tone.
But other hearing tests, they don't make sense to me
when I look back at them, and if you've ever
seen an airstream trailer. There was a trailer similar to that.
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It was this big silver sided trailer that would pull
up in front of the school and I would have
to go out for my hearing tests at least a
couple times a year, and I remember there were times
where there was other students, but by the time I
was maybe in fourth or fifth grade, I was the
only student. There was other things that I was the
(09:12):
only student of at that time period as well, but
I would go in and I would have these hearing tests,
and looking back, they don't make sense because it was
really a situation where I was in.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
A box, it was dark, I couldn't see.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
It was definitely some type of sensory you know, deprivation
type environment. And I remember very strange questions can I
see this, can I see that? And can I hear this?
But they don't make sense as far as like a
hearing test goes. So I do have these questions, and
(09:52):
the more the more I search on that, the more
I realize I'm not alone and the other people that
have experienced some of this are in the paranormal community
as well, so that it can't be a coincidence.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Exactly. I have to tell you that for myself and
other people I know in the field of paranormalogy and eufology,
and they also have had these strange experiences as children.
And it seems to me that the teachers somehow know
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that if they run across someone who has certain abilities,
that they are to tell someone else. And then you
have more testing done by another person or a counselor
or like in your case, outside of the school, and
then weird stuff starts to happen. And I just think
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that there's some type of a secret program that's probably
been going on for many years with the school system
so that they can identify certain people, and it sounds
like you're one of them.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
I definitely had some unusual experiences that that is for sure.
I've reached out to some people that I went to
grade school with, a couple of them were in the
floride studies that they at least what they remember, and
they dropped out of those fluoride studies much sooner than
I did. Something that's interesting to me is that those
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particular people, while not openly in the paranormal community, have
a tremendous amount of empathy and concerns about the world
around them. I find that interesting. I did as well.
A story that I like to tell people about how
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maybe I wasn't a normal kid is when I was
in sixth grade. My science project for sixth grade was
a model that I created out of plaster, and it
was of the Minneapolis Saint Paul metropolitan area and the suburbs,
and because that's where I live, that's where I grew up,
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and it was what would happen if a ten kilo
ton nuclear war had detonated over downtown Minneapolis. So you
know that that really wasn't on the minds almost eleven
year olds in my class. But that was something that's
always kind of been present in my life. And as
you well know, experiencers often report a lot of concern
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about the environment and concern over nuclear weapons. And so
when did that start? I have no idea. It's always
been a part of me. But that just kind of
goes to show you that even in sixth grade, I
was a little different maybe indeed.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Indeed, and you know, you mentioned the fluoride study, and
of course we know now that flora i uh, really
inhibits the pineal gland, which is the number one gland
in the human body that allows us to well for
good brain function, but also activates our psychic abilities, our
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sixth sense abilities, all of them, not just one thing,
but a lot of things. And uh so that concerns me.
But with your abilities now, and even going back that far,
I just wonder if it wasn't fluoride, it might have
been something else.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
Well, I you know, obviously I can't tell for sure
what it was. I have used fluoride rinses, you know,
at the dentists as an adult, and the taste is
almost identical.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
I don't discern any difference in the taste, so.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
At least it had the taste of fluoride, and I
would I would definitely like to know more about that.
I have done quite a bit of research trying to
get at those studies.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Look at that research. It has to have been published someplace,
and I can't find it.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Oh boy, well that's probably it's probably unreachable, would be
my guest. Some agency has it that's got it locked up. Wow. Well,
let's let's just delve into some of your experiences. What
are some of the most dramatic paranormal experiences you've.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Had, Well, I've had quite a few over the years,
and they seem to come about in clusters, is what
I've noticed, and I haven't really been able to determine
any pattern to the clusters. But there was quite a
bit when I was in like junior high school that
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twelve to fifteen age rained and one that always sticks
out to me, and I've told a few people about
it over the last few years, is there was in
the neighborhood that I grew up in, there was a
lot of parks. There was a creek that went along
about a block from me, and there was park on
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both sides of the creek, and there was trails on
both sides of the creek, and there in order to
get to my home, I would have to cross over
a bridge. It was a very small bridge, but it
did allow cars to travel over it. And so I
was out late with some friends of mine. It was summertime.
It was probably nine thirty, quarter to ten, it was
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getting dark, and so we weren't walking in the park.
We were walking in the street alongside the park, and
all of a sudden, I felt like I was watched.
I I just knew, and I can't explain how I knew,
and I looked over my right shoulder, and up along
the power lines were these spheres. They were about the
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size of a basketball, maybe slightly larger. They were semi translucent,
and at that time, I didn't have a name for them,
so I just called them bubbles because they looked very similar.
They had that iridescence the bubbles too, And so I
immediately told my friends, my two friends that I was with,
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Oh my god, they're back. And they looked up in
the direction that I had looked up at, and I
just yelled run.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
And so we started running. And there was myself.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
On the left hand side, my best friend who was
in the middle, and her cousin who frequently hung out
with us.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
She was the same age as us.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
And I don't think that my best friend actually saw anything,
but we were running. She was screaming and crying. She
just was really upset because she didn't know what was
going on, I think. And there was about maybe less
than a block between where we were at and the
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bridge that crossed over the creek, and so as we
started approaching the bridge, I looked back over my right
shoulder again just to see where they were at, and
I saw one coming really.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Fast, and it looked like it was.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
Going to actually collide with my friend's cousin's head, and
so I yelled out to her watch out, and she
looked back and she ducked at the appropriate moment, so
I know that she saw it. Yeah, And as that
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was happening, we were approaching the bridge and turning onto
the bridge because there was a left turn there, and
the bubbles instead of continuing to follow us or circle
back because there was one kind of behind us than
the one that almost hit her, they both went off
over the creek, and so they left us alone. And
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I still remember looking out and seeing them go towards
the creek. And I say both because I don't recall
them being three of them.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
I recall two of them. There could have been three.
There might have been another one that I didn't see,
but I only recall seeing two.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
And as it was clear that they weren't coming after
us anymore, they were going down the creek and that
you could still see them. By this time, it was
pretty dark, but I wouldn't say they were glowing. It
was more just the kind of an ear doescent light.
My best friend was in tears and her cousin was like,
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what was that, And I clearly remember saying to her,
I don't know what they are, but I know you
don't want to end up in one. And I've always
wondered at that because I don't have any recollection of
being in one. I acutely understood what they were, and
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I always want to make it clear that I wasn't
really fearful of these.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
This was more.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
Kind of a adolescent Oh.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
I don't know really what the word for it is,
but I didn't. I just didn't want to.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
It was more like defiance, like you don't have not
going to make me do this. I don't want to
do this, And so it wasn't like I was afraid
of what would happen to me if I was in one.
It was more like I was afraid of not even afraid.
I was upset that they were there and I didn't
and with your friends too exactly, and I didn't want
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to do what they wanted. So what actually happens in
the bubbles, I don't know. My My assumption, based on
that experience and other experiences that I've had with them,
is that that's some kind of transport device. But I
really can't say that for sure. What I can say
for sure is that it did a reputable harm to
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my friendship and it was never the same after that,
because she just didn't understand. And that was not the
first odd experience. It was the most dramatic, but not
the first odd experience that she'd had with me. Interestingly, though,
she went on to become quite religious, which was not
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something that she grew up with, and I haven't I
haven't talked to her for many, many years. Her cousin
went on to a career in military intelligence and worked
at some places that are very interesting in the eufology world.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
So I find.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
That that's interesting. Yes, that the two of you are
both involved in euthology a different way.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Is oh my god, exactly exactly.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
There had to be some influence there.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
I would like to think that, Yes, I tend to
be more pragmatic and don't want to make giant leaps,
but it would seem that there would be us.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Yeah. Well, lots of people have seen the bubbles or
the balls of light or what orbs and whatever you
want to call them, and of course the jury is
still out as to what they are, but the fact
is thousands and thousands of people have seen them, and
of course as a ufologist, you've probably heard many accounts
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from your witnesses. Have any of your witnesses described anything
similar to what you saw?
Speaker 4 (21:47):
Many many of them have, actually, particularly when it's involved
with my work with the ERT, the Experience or Research
Resource Team move ON And as you know, we're a
group of investigators that really make a choice to work
with people who have experienced the phenomenon, and many of
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them have had a lot of trauma around it, and
so there's a lot of there's a lot of parallels
to things in my life that I've heard in those stories.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Those are recounts of their experiences.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Yeah, the ERT team is a very valuable resource. It
is completely separate for those of you who don't know
that from move On investigations. There would be an investigator
with the case, and then in the case of an
abduction or contact, then there will be an ERT person
(22:47):
to contact you. And that person is like you, ANNA,
has had their own experiences and so they can better
relate to the person and basically help them deal with
the situation.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
Yes, absolutely, and we have the ability within the RITE
to provide some resources if they need referrals to counseling
or support groups and stuff.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
But yeah, well that's it. It's I worked on the
er T for a while until I got too overwhelmed
with other things. But it is something that's very needed,
and you know, it's a very worthy thing that you
and others are doing for people, because you know, there
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are a lot of people have had strange experiences and encounters.
Some people deal with it very well on their own,
and they they might have a curiosity about it, but
they don't let it rule their life. And then other
people have a very difficult time dealing with the fact
that there's non human intelligences out there that are visiting
(23:59):
Earth or who are living here on Earth and are
involved with humanity in some fashion. Of course, we don't
nobody has all the answers. But one of the things
that I tell people who seem to be overly upset
about the situation is have they harmed you physically? And
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the answers usually know and are you still alive? Yes,
so obviously their intention is not to wipe humanity off
the Earth, correct, And they'll say yeah, okay, So that
usually calms them down so you can continue the conversation.
Is that kind of what you tell people as well?
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Or what do you tell them?
Speaker 4 (24:43):
Well, in many cases, yes, it really just depends on
what they need. So sometimes they're looking for advice or guidance,
and sometimes they just want somebody to just listen to
them and take them seriously. So I really give any
advice or guidance based on what they're telling me and
what I think that their needs are. But overall, yes,
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you know, there's certainly people who feel they've been harmed
from the phenomenon, and there's a lot of people that
aren't sure exactly what it is. You know, are ET's
actually extraterrestrials or maybe they're demons, or maybe there's some
other type of entity. They're not really sure, and depending
(25:26):
upon what their needs are, I will refer them to
appropriate resources.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
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In this evening, we are speaking with Anna Scott. And
Anna is a UFHOE investigator, a paranormal investigator. She's had
a lot of experiences herself. And about how many reports
or investigations do you think that you've completed over the years.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
Oh, my goodness, probably hundreds. I guess I haven't really counted.
And that really goes the whole gambit from UFOs and
et experiences to Bigfoot and other types, you know, ghost
encounters and haunted homes. And I'm gonna have to check
(28:56):
out your book that I just saw advertised, So that'll
be an interesting read, I.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Think, yeah, yeah, I think you'd like it. So let's
just take a topic right now. Let's say Bigfoot. What
do you have to say about Bigfoot? Have you had
your own personal encounters with this creat.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
Well, I can't say that I've seen Bigfoot. I can
say that I spent a lot of time in my
youth in north central Minnesota and I still am there
quite a bit, and I've seen lots of dark, hairy
creatures in the woods, but never a very good shot,
(29:38):
kind of like a UFO, right, you can never really
take a good picture.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
But I've heard lots of wood knocks.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
In fact, growing up that was just kind of the
background noise when I'd be up there as a kid.
Both my sister and I would hear them, and we
never really knew what they were and never really thought
about it. And so when I first started research seeing,
you know, bigfoot, what is bigfoot back in the mid eighties,
I was like, wood knocks. Hm, maybe that's what it
(30:08):
was that I was hearing, because it's certainly what bird.
It definitely wasn't a woodpecker. I certainly know all the
different sounds that they make. It was clearly a would knocks.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
So when I was something like a heavy, heavy stick
hitting a tree, that would have been done by a
big person, yes.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
Right, and it has this very distinct sound. And my
sister and I have talked about that over the years.
It's like, why didn't we ever go out to the
woods to investigate that, you know, we should have as kids,
but we didn't. And yeah, I have heard it even
the last few years. The property that I have backs
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up to thousands and thousands of acres of state forest,
and so there's really nothing behind me. I could literally
walk for days if I was going in specific directions
and not find any roads.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
So there's yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
The different Bigfoot teams exist in the area, and some
TV shows have been up there doing some some episodes
in the past.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
So in fact, i'd like an ideal squatchy area it is.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
In fact, I was just in Raumer, Minnesota at the
Reamer Bigfoot Days festival has coined themselves as the Bigfoot
Capital of the world.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
Whether that's sure or not, I don't know, but there's
definitely a lot of people interested in bigfoot up there,
and I think for good reason.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Well, it certainly has been seen everywhere. Do you have
you done investigations for other people who have witnessed bigfoot?
Speaker 4 (31:52):
So I haven't done investigations for other people who have
witnessed bigfoot. I have done investigations with other people to
see if we could find evidence of Bigfoot though, and.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
In one investigation.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
I tried, I tried a little trick to see if
I could maybe capture something. There was some unusual impressions
in the ground, but it wasn't quite obvious what was
causing them.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
It could have been.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
Large bears. For instance, there's a lot of black bear
in that area. And so I put up a trail cam,
a high quality one, and had it set to immediately
film if anything came in. And so of course I
got lots of trees moving and other things because of
the setting that I had.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
But I had placed a heavy plate with.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
Some snacks, and I know it sounds kind of funny,
some snacks and some wood carvings and some other little
things that supposedly bigfoot likes, you know, as a gift,
a token gift. And interestingly enough, the plate was on
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the ground. Okay, not so crazy. Maybe it was a
big animal that came by. The trinkets were gone, and
when I took a look at the footage, the footage
showed everything just fine. And then immediately the next frame
was everything was gone, the plate was on the ground,
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there was nothing in between.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Oh okay, So you know, it made me wonder.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
What exactly happened there, because I don't think I don't
think a bear would have done anything. I would have
seen some if it was a human being, I would
have seen in my other cams and I didn't see
any of that, so I still wonder what the.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
Heck happened there.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Well, there has been some theory that sasquatch can manipulate
time and space, so it certainly sounds like that might
have happened in that case.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
Yes, I I wonder about that.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
I was doing my own wood knox and so it's
it's a lot harder to make that sound than you
would think, actually, right, Yes, yes, And this was in
an area where again I had seen impressions both in
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the soil and in snow. Actually, I have some pictures
of my foot up against what looks like a bigfoot,
but I can't be certain because there was some melting
that occurred in the snow. And you know that scientific
mind wants absolutely proof. I need to make sure that
I'm you know, ruling out every possible thing, you know,
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and then what's left is probably what's true. And so
that that's something I want to do some more work on.
I find it fascinating.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
And then there's.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
Another part of me that says, do I really want
bigfoot coming towards the house? Because I'm not quite sure
that I do, right, So there's that piece as well.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Yeah, there is that someday I'll tell you a story
about an encounter. But let's get to UFOs now. So
you saw the bubbles balls of light. Have you seen
a bona fide ufo?
Speaker 4 (35:35):
Oh yes, okay, several times. Some strange things around that too.
So I was I will out the town in this podcast.
I was in this little town called Cavalier in North Dakota.
And Cavalier is a typical small town, very rural area,
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not a lot of people or population there, but but
it does have nearby is a Cavalier Air Station and
it used to be part of a very large it
was called the Michelson Safeguard Complex and it was, you know,
back in the Cold War, we had radar systems and
intercept missile systems to protect our country. And so there's
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lots of unusual things about that particular complex that I
won't get into here. But that's the reason why I
was up there. And I was staying at this little
motel in town. And one of the things that I
typically do in the evening is I go for my
evening walk. It's just relaxing for me. It kind of
helps censor myself. And so I was walking around this
town and the town is small, and I was walking
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along basically the perimeter.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
It was a residential area.
Speaker 4 (36:48):
It was paved road, and there was homes on both sides,
and to the east of me, behind the homes there
was nothing but field, so you could see for very
long ways. And as I was walking along, I was
aware and thought it was peculiar that all of a
sudden everything was quiet. I've experienced this before on a
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number of times. Jenny Randalls termed this the odds factor.
So I noticed that happening, and it caught my attention,
and I stopped in the middle of this residential street,
and I looked over and I saw what I can
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only describe as a massive warehouse sized and shaped white object.
And it was roughly a mile away, roughly two thousand
feet in the air. A little bit difficult to gauge
size and distance because the topography up there is very
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flat and there's not a lot of freeze or background,
but that's my best estimate. And I just stood there
in the middle of this residential street and watched this thing,
and it was moving very slowly.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
There was no sound.
Speaker 4 (38:16):
I didn't it might have been too far away to
hear I'm not quite sure, but it was extremely large,
and I'm just standing there watching it, and I noticed
that the only sound I can really hear, other than
the sounds my own body is making, breathing and whatnot
and crunching a little bit on the gravel underneath me,
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is this squeaking noise. And so I happened to notice
this little girl on a swing, and she's swinging back
and forth, and she sees me just standing in the
middle street, staring off right, and so she got off
her swing and she looked around behind her and she
yelled that to her mom, Mom, what is that?
Speaker 3 (39:02):
What is that?
Speaker 4 (39:04):
And then I could hear a door open, but I
couldn't see the door, and I heard a woman's voice say,
get in the house, and so she went in the house.
And so I stood there for I'm not quite sure
how long, my guess is ten fifteen minutes something like that,
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just staring at this thing. And finally it moved enough
so that I couldn't see it behind It was behind homes,
and I couldn't see it anymore.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
So I started walking.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
And I walked along the street for another two blocks
or so, and I would stop occasionally when I could
see it between homes.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
Off in the distance.
Speaker 4 (39:44):
And the strange thing is is that I had my
phone in my back pocket didn't think to take a picture.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
No, you didn't, you know.
Speaker 4 (39:57):
I still there was no noise. There was no noise
at all, and I was aware of it, but my
mind wasn't quite there. It's really difficult to describe that feeling.
And as I approached main street, I really couldn't see
it very well anymore. And instead of what I should
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have done, was, you know, rush over behind these homes
and take out my phone and take pictures, right, No,
I didn't do that. I get bored, and I was like,
oh man, and started walking away from it. And as
I did that, all of the sounds of the city
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that the small town I shouldn't call it a city,
came rushing back in. And all of a sudden, there
was cars that I could see on this main street
that you know, I could see life and human beings,
and I could hear the dogs out barking in the background,
and the birds chirping, and just the normal back on.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
Noise that you would hear in a small town.
Speaker 4 (41:03):
And I kept walking about another half a block and
there was this little gazebo in the center of town,
and so I sat down and I pulled out my
phone and I started scrolling through Facebook, and I was
like it hit me all of a sudden, it was like, yeah, wait,
what's just happened here?
Speaker 3 (41:22):
I had my Why didn't I take a picture? I
had my phone. Yeah, It's just it's it drives you crazy.
Speaker 4 (41:29):
That you know.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
That's very typical though, of people who see something that's
so fantastic they go into kind of I don't know,
hypnotic trance or shock. And I've done it myself, not
pulled my phone out to take a picture and I
have it on me, and you just don't think of
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that until it's gone, and then you're like, oh, wait
a minute, where's my phone. Yeah, there is something that happens,
and you know what you described without hearing sound, kind
of like being in a vacuum. That's also very typical
of people who have close UFO encounters. It is, Yeah,
I have a feeling it wasn't quite as far away
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as you initially thought. Maybe maybe it was a little closer,
but you were in the field, you were in the
EMF field, whatever that was, you know, type of energy
that that was creating you were in it, yea, and
it allters time space reality, you.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
Know, it really can.
Speaker 4 (42:34):
When I, oh, probably about twenty fifteen, I finally decided
that I'm not going to hide in the shadows anymore.
Speaker 3 (42:42):
I'm actually going.
Speaker 4 (42:43):
To go out and do investigations that aren't you know whispered, Hey,
have you heard anything kind of things that I've been
doing in the past. And I really kind of came
out in the UFO world and joined moufon and did
all of those things. And in that process, I went
and I did a whole bunch of road trips and
(43:05):
because I love to travel, and so I went to
all of these different sites that supposedly there was a
UFO crash. You know, I fought with the cattle near
Corona trying to get to the site and got permission
to park at the Hind's house, and you know, before
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I took off on my two and a half mile
trek through rattlesnake hills and cattle.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
No, I've done all these crazy things, right, Yeah. So
during that whole process, I had kind.
Speaker 4 (43:43):
Of a affinity towards Sunspot, New Mexico, and there was
some interesting things about sun Spot. But since I was
out there, I wanted to go to White Sands, and
because they have a National Monument there, it's beautiful out there,
and so so I went out to the monument and
I started hiking through the Gypsum dunes and the same
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thing happened. All of a sudden, I was looking north
towards where the Trinity Site would be, and I remember
the only thing I really remember.
Speaker 3 (44:16):
I don't remember seeing a craft.
Speaker 4 (44:17):
I remember seeing a light, and then I remember hearing
this weird, tinny sound from voices that were far too
far away for me to be able to hear what
they were saying. It was a family on the dunes,
maybe a quarter mile away, maybe a little farther, and
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they weren't yelling or anything. They were just talking, and
I could hear them perfectly, but it almost sounded like
it was coming through a transistor radio. And I mentioned
this because it was identical to the way the little
girl sounded and her mother sounded in the Cavalier incident.
And I heard no sound other than my own breathing
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in them.
Speaker 3 (45:04):
I looked out.
Speaker 4 (45:05):
I didn't see any any vehicles, I didn't see any
other people, and I almost felt a little high or something.
I can't really describe the feeling other than I felt giddy.
And it was a very surreal experience. And so I
ended up kind of wandering around and it's like, this
(45:28):
is really strange. And I thought, well, you know, gypsum
is used in soundproofing.
Speaker 3 (45:32):
It must be that, and.
Speaker 4 (45:33):
That's why this all sounds so strange. And if you've
ever been out there, some of those dunes can be
very very high, forty fifty feet or more. And I
decided that I was just going to jump and slide
down on a phase and I literally laughed the whole
way down, and that's not typically me. And I got
(45:59):
down to the bottom and I started walking and eventually
the sound came back in again, and I thought, well,
that was weird. I got in my car and left
the monument and so I'm going down the highway there
and there's Holman Air Force Base on my left hand
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side and or yeah, we've been on my left hand
side and these fighter jets that made zero sound, no
sound at all. I didn't see any means of propulsion
on the back end.
Speaker 3 (46:40):
They flew right over my car.
Speaker 4 (46:43):
And living in Fargo for many years, I'm acutely aware
of what happens when a fighter jet flies right over you.
Speaker 3 (46:52):
It's ear shattering, you know.
Speaker 4 (46:54):
I could feel the heat from the after burners many times,
and there's kind of a shock wave that kind of
hits your car. None of that happened. I still don't
know exactly what they were. I know that they were.
They looked human in the cockpits. They had cockpits. But
I found that interesting that there was that technology.
Speaker 2 (47:17):
But I thought, so you actually saw in the cockpits.
Speaker 3 (47:21):
Yes, they were that close close.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
Oh wow, they.
Speaker 4 (47:25):
Were probably not even fifty feet from me. I should
have I should have had my ear drums blasted and
the paint bubbling on my car.
Speaker 3 (47:35):
They were so close.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
That's interesting. I've had a couple of what we would
call big cases where we had aircraft show up that
did not make a sound, and we also had invisible
aircraft show up that sounded that you could hear it,
but you can see it. Uh so, NOE, And it's
(47:59):
it's interesting that this type of thing shows up when
we think it's something about ours after a UFO siding,
and obviously they're there to check that out.
Speaker 4 (48:10):
Yes, and that the story gets even better. So, you know,
I continue along the highway and skirt through the outskirts
of Alamagordo, and I'm heading north because I'm planning on
going up to Santa Fe and some other places on
the northern end of New Mexico, and I had plenty
(48:32):
of time. This was about three o'clock in the afternoon,
four o'clock in the afternoon, something like that, and so
I'm going along outside of Alamagordo and everything is normal
and fine, and I can see the mountains and I
was just thinking home.
Speaker 3 (48:51):
That was just a very strange experience.
Speaker 4 (48:54):
And all of a sudden, I feel really ill and
almost like I'm I liken it to coming out of anesthesia, actually,
because that's the only comparable thing that I can.
Speaker 3 (49:10):
Find in my memory. And it's almost dark.
Speaker 4 (49:14):
It's close to nine o'clock at night, and I was
really confused, and I pulled over, and interestingly, and I'm
not saying it's related, but interestingly, this was Corona, New
Mexico that I was in, and I pulled over, and
it took me a few minutes to kind of get
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my bearings, and I was just very groggy, and it
was disturbing and alarming, and I was like, well, okay,
I'm definitely not going to make it up to the
north end before dark because I really didn't want to
drive at late at nights on the desert roads and stuff.
So I remember looking at through my phone saying, okay, well,
(49:58):
where can I stay because I really I didn't want
to stay in the motel in Corona.
Speaker 3 (50:03):
No offense to the motel in Corona.
Speaker 4 (50:04):
But and I opted for a reservation in Vaughan. And
it took me about twenty thirty minutes on the side
of the road before I felt like I was well
enough to.
Speaker 3 (50:18):
Be able to drive again.
Speaker 4 (50:20):
And for the life of me, I couldn't figure out
what happened. I have absolutely no memory other than maybe
a half an hour forty five minutes north of Allamagordo and.
Speaker 3 (50:30):
Ending up in that spot.
Speaker 4 (50:33):
And another thing that is interesting, And of course I'm
always looking for evidence. You know, my Google maps, my
timeline didn't know where I.
Speaker 3 (50:44):
Was either, oh.
Speaker 4 (50:48):
Yeah, and so it knew that I went down that stretch,
so I know that there was cell service, there was coverage.
It wasn't like there was a a you know, no
data available during that area because it registered my going south,
but it didn't know where I was going north, and
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it was just a gray line, didn't.
Speaker 3 (51:10):
Know where I was.
Speaker 2 (51:12):
Okay, so well, it's it's.
Speaker 4 (51:16):
Part fascinating to me and it's part disturbing because I
don't like not having control of, you know, kind of
what's happening to me.
Speaker 3 (51:25):
You know, do you.
Speaker 2 (51:28):
Do you try not to travel by yourself anymore?
Speaker 4 (51:33):
No?
Speaker 2 (51:35):
Do you do travel by yourself?
Speaker 4 (51:36):
I travel by myself all the time.
Speaker 2 (51:38):
Okay, okay, I did sometimes I do, but most of
the time I'm trying to have somebody go with me
because just like your experience, I have had experiences where
I feel strange, like something is gonna happen or something
has happened, and then I got ill. I got so
ill that I couldn't keep going and I had to
(52:00):
find a place to stay. You know, I just wonder
how many other experienceers have that type of experience.
Speaker 4 (52:11):
That's a great question one that I don't know. Yeah,
I've had I've had enough things happened to me when
I'm with somebody that that maybe it's better.
Speaker 3 (52:23):
If I'm not with somebody.
Speaker 2 (52:25):
But yeah, yeah, that's true, because yeah, I got to
think about the other person too. Sometimes suppose exactly, I
mean I didn't.
Speaker 4 (52:34):
I didn't feel physically harmed in any way other than
feeling that really like nauseated, groggy feeling that's similar.
Speaker 3 (52:43):
To coming out of anesthesia.
Speaker 1 (52:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (52:45):
Yeah, but it was disturbing to say the least.
Speaker 2 (52:49):
So yeah, indeed, Well, we've got a couple of minutes
to go. What do you have coming up? But anything new, different,
any investigations, it's on your schedule.
Speaker 4 (53:01):
Well, I always have quite a few different things on
my schedule. Of course, I'm quite involved with Northland MOFON
and we're always.
Speaker 3 (53:09):
Doing interesting things.
Speaker 4 (53:11):
We're doing some things that expos but myself personally, aside
from MOFON, I am looking to really reach out with
some of the paranormal communities in the area because I
really do feel that it's more than just sufology. Certainly
in my own experiences, I have had many, many experiences with.
Speaker 3 (53:34):
Entities. I don't know what they are.
Speaker 4 (53:37):
I'm not convinced other than my grandmother and a couple
people that I know that have come to visit me
that they are dearely departed. I would really like to
explore some of that more. That was very prominent in
my life growing up and as a teenager, and I've
spent some time trying to ignore it because it's challenging
with kind of work I do acknowledging, acknowledging the spirit world.
Speaker 2 (54:03):
But right, that left, that left. Barry tries to kick
in and say, no.
Speaker 4 (54:10):
Well, yeah, when you when you're somebody that's around people
that are dying, and there's there's some some walls you
have to kind of put up around yourself just to
protect yourself, so as you probably well know, and now
I'm not working so much with the dying, and I'd
like to get back into some of that kind of bring.
Speaker 3 (54:33):
Down some of those walls.
Speaker 2 (54:35):
Well, that sounds good, and thank you for sharing that.
Thank you for sharing some of your experiences with this.
I hope you'll come back again sometime soon and we'll
we'll delve into more of your experiences. It's certainly an
interesting life, isn't it interesting? Yes, never a dull moment.
(54:56):
It's once you go in the rabbit hole, you're in. Yes,
all right, thank you, Anna, I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (55:04):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (55:06):
Well, that is another episode for a next news and
I will see you again next week and we have
a new show coming up in August, so stay tuned
for that. We've got a new program coming. I'll see
you here again next week.
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