King Dwarf & Judas King Talk Butt Stuff, Go-Go for the Gold, & OnlyFans

Fleshbot Fan Chat is back and they are pulling out that red carpet for OnlyFans royalties King Dwarf and Judas King, hosted by the Queen of the podcast herself Alexander! This week's co-host is Fleshbot's editor-in-chief Josh aka Norma Lee High. Aside from being kings in their own rights, King Dwarf and Judas King have both recently taken the crown for Fleshbot Stud of the Month, and rightfully so. With these four deviant creatures of sin, it's only a matter of time before the conversation devolves into sexy chaos. Get your poppers ready...

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those questions rolling in today. I'mjoined by fleshbot Gay editor in chief Josh,
who comes to fleshbot with a longhistory doing pr and editorial work in
the theater world. He's responsible foreverything you see on the site, like
every day, all of those likenumerous new articles. That's Josh put it
in a man. Please welcome,Joshi, Hi, hello said to be

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here. No, it's funny becauseyou have this whole history in Broadway,
you know, doing social media forBroadway editorial stuff, creating content, and
then coming to the adult film world. You know, you've you've been a
fan of porn since Yeah, it'show old. It's so funny people ask
me. We're like, what areyou up to? Him? Like,
I'm up to the exact same job, but instead of Burnett Peters, it's
Kamatics. Like it's the same thingthough, same facial movement too. Anyway,

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Oh no, we love kan.I'm just kidding. So I get
this question all the time, andI wanted to ask you for our viewers
as well. You know, wehave to look at porn now almost all
day. We have to check outsome of the new up and commerce.
We you know, we check outthe trailers. We have to decide what's
going to be put on the site. Do you ever get decentitized to porn

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now? You're like, oh,here we are some hot naked guys having
sex again. Sometimes yes, Ithink that Actually what happens more often,
like a lot of it registers herewhen you're looking at five six studio porn
videos a day, then plus pornstar interviews where you're pulling from their fans

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content and their studio, so you'reseeing the full thing. But when you
find something that turns you on,then it's even more exciting. It feels
like you're a teen all over again. You're like, oh my god,
I found something. It's really hotto transmit like, it's very different at
might ask my little home office.I have my computer, I have my
pens and have a box of Klinics, like I just like it klinix worthy.

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When it's when it's really good,it's like putting it on the site
with one hand and turning on theapps in the other hand. You're like,
all right, this is good.Now I need to like no,
no, no, no, I'mgonna try it out now. But it's
funny because you and I become friends, like very good friends. With a
lot of people in industry. Thatcan be awkward too, because you're like,
we just did Drag Being Go yesterdayand now I'm watching him, you
know, do this. It's alittle it's a little odd. Sometimes it

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also sometimes works in the reverse whereyou like. We hung out all day
and we've been really pg. ButI'm gonna go home and look at all
your filthy volumes. Okay, alright, alright, alright, okay, let's
get this show on the road today. We have Royalty Josh and lay are
the queens, and we have acouple of kings with us. It is
true. Judas King is one ofLA's busiest, most out after go Go
dancers, and the list of reasonsis a long one. He's got a

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charming demeanor, his body is apiece of art, and his collection of
tattoos and piercings only add to it. And his ass just doesn't quit for
a single second. He goes tobed, and his ass isn't clapping like
you want a standing ovation you clapthose cheeks. Judas's Gogo career has led
him to become one of the manytalented competitors in the second season of out
TV's Go Go for the Gold.He's also a leading content creator for only

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Fans and just for fans. Healso served as our cybersocket stud with a
month last month, please welcome judeaass and his assure or false Lady Gaga's
Judas was based on judas. Anytime I introduce myself everyone within like point
five seconds, Jude, I'm like, yes, I've heard it all.
Ye, God was original. Okay, yeah, there you go. New

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Jersey native King Doff might be shortin height, but he's packing a giant
below the dance belt. And thefirst time somebody, I think it was
you, Josh, You're like,you have to check out King Dorf.
He's hung, and I'm like okay, and then then I was like punk,
super hung and fun. King Dorfis a contestant as well on the
season of Gogol for the Gold,as well as a leading content creator for

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his only fans. He reigns asthis month Cybersocket stud Please welcome King Dorf.
Thank you, guys. I'm sohappy to be here. Good Okay,
I'm gonna start off like with you, like younger before adult content,
before any of this, well,like, were you sexually active as a
at a young age? When didthat first kind of come to fruition?
Go ahead, bab God. Forme, it was like the first time

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I broke into my parents parental controlsand I started watching porn. How old
were you and your parents had porn? Yeah? The pay per view channels,
remember that, like the Spice channel, Like, no, they would
always be garbled and then a boobwould pop in every time. Yeah you
know, but no, my parentsthey spung on cable, so I benefited.
So like I got the Playboy,Spice Chel all those back in the

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day. I was like ten,Yeah, really young, I'm a curious
child. What could I say?Now? Were you confused because obviously you
were looking at mostly boom. Yeah, so I was looking at the women
and then I was like I forgot. It was like it was like it
was actually an explicit movie or god, god knows if I remember the title,
but um I remember just seeing likethe full frontal of the dude and
I was like, oh, something'shappening here. Why am I staring at

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him way more than I don't givea fuck about the girls tends? Yeah.
So yeah, then that was kindof like my journey of like self
discovery for me. Like that's whenI I was like knew something was going
on. And I think that waswhen sexuality was really introduced to me.
It was through porn. Now,what was when of your first like gay
experiences? Um oh that was atlike a little bit later at like twelve

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thirteen. Yeah, even that story. Mine was like twenty three. Listen,
I went to a sex I wentto it all boys schools, so
I was horny, Honey, Idon't understand that same sex school. You
are raging hormones at twelve thirteen.Yeah, it's the food in Jerseys,
the water. Yeah, yeah,definitely happened literally, um yeah so um.

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I would like cook up with likethe little like straight boys that we're
pretending they weren't gay. They werelike, yeah, I'm straight, bro.
Well and coming from Jersey there's andyou're from Jersey too, there's just
like Machiesmo. It's like, Okay, this is the kind of guy you're
gonna be. Like what we're gonnajim whatever, we'll think about. I
came out super early in New Jersey, so I was the gay boy who

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all of those boys then slid intomy DMA. You were like sliding into
my aim to be Like, butweren't you scared to be around like all
these guys with the gold chains AndI'm like no, that fucking turned me
on so much. Yeah, andwe know like Italian boys, I mean
anything, come on, like it'sit fed into those like porn tropes of

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like the straight boys, We're gonnahit you up and like it's a deep,
dark secret, and you're like,yeah, I'm getting all these boys
you think. Yeah, like Iwas. The girls were jealous of sucking
me. You know. One ofthose boys from back in the day just
friended me on Facebook. I waslike, oh he wants Oh yeah,
he remembered those skills. Okay,now, Judas on the opposite side of

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the nation, we have mister WestCoast boy here, so gag of it
all. I grew up Mormon,so I didn't know that you didn't know
that I did. So I grewup extremely sheltered. I wasn't even allowed
to watch like SpongeBob. It wastoo violent. So my ass had to
be sneaky, so I would thatas this is not. I didn't have
that ass back then, though.I was a very skinny boy younger,

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and I started jerking off round eightokay, yeah, because again I was
very sexually repressed. I was horny, and so I would sneak onto the
computer and I used to have likea PSP and you could like watch point
all the boys with PSPs to schoolbecause they got online. Yeah, you
can use the internet. Yeah,I'd be in my room two three in
the morning, just like jerking itfuriously. And did you go in a

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mission? No, god no,but I did fuck a couple of missionaries.
Marms are the best in bed.They just are so repressed and keep
prepared the sexy like morning. Youdon't get those underwear hot Joe films with
like missionary boys literally yeah yeah,yeah, well you don't get those until
after during your mission or after you'remarried. That show someone he's in the

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chat hedge. Um. So butjudas and because you you just you identify
pansexual. Yes, so what kindof porn were you looking at? So
I came out It was gay firstbecause obviously being Mormon, I didn't know
what like, I dated girls andI didn't know what to do, Like
I was like, okay, Ipushed towards the gay side really really hard.
But once I started having sex withguys, which I fucked my first

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guy at twelve as well, fuckand that wait, you topped him at
twelve? Yeah, you topped attwelve, and then I bottomed at thirteen.
Yeah, so yeah, and twelveI was in boy Scouts. That's
kind of where that came from Okay, this is I don't say another word

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exactly, and then my bottoming wasfrom it's another porn scene. My bottoming
was a senior in high school.We ditched and he's like me, fuck
you was like okay, and wefucked mihind a Taco bell iconic after you
kind of knew what to do.No, I just knew that dick went
into the butt, but I didn'tknow I feel was going to feel good
or hurt, or how to cleanout or did anything. I don't remember

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the first time, I don't rememberbecause they tried nobody, nobody, nobody,
and I like And that's the thingI like about it, is like
the still having some type of amateurnessto gay sex because we're taught that it's
gonna be so glamorous and it's gonnabe so easy. You're just gonna romance.
Yeah, it's gonna be clean,Like, there's gonna be no act.
Like, no, that's not thereal world. Yeah, how do

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you betrayed gay sex on TV?How do you just stick it in with
No, I'm like, that's notreal nobody. So the first time I
had anal sex, it was aftercollege. It was when I moved to
West Hollywood. The person I waswith was very well skilled and knew.
It was a shock to me asto like the actual mechanics. Yeah,

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so I talked and I didn't knowabout the lube whatever, and I just
so around. He slugged me andI blacked out and he did. He
wasn't being violent, but it was. Yeah. So he's like, no,
this is how we do it.And then it was wonderful. But
then he um, he set thePresident wrong because he was always ready to
go. We could. We literallyhad Thanksgiving dinner and then after on the

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drive on the way home after leavingmy mom's house, he's like, let's
pull over. Well that's a topmindset. That's a top mindset. A
yeah, Oh I never bottom inmy life, the bottom after Thanksgiving dinner.
Okay, yeah, but this guywas always ready. His ass was
like show room new, doesn't matterhow many after Thanksgiving dinner, even after

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Thanksgiving. Yeah, but I didn'tknow that that's not how all bottoms were.
So the first person that I hadannal with after him, I threw
up. I was like, whatis this like that he was dying?
Yeah, because I didn't, Oh, we've all been, so just let's

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get back to this pan sexuality.I know, he up. We didn't
have these terms of like fluidity.We didn't know that you could be everything
that you couldn't. The only otherchoice wasn't homosexuality, that there was other
things. Yeah, so when didyou kind of come to terms with the
pan sexuality, because I know,pan sexuality gets kicked back from all sides.
The gays are like uh huh everyoneyeah, everyone, No, I

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get it, I get it.I get it. I So I came
out as gay first because obviously Iwas just pushed so hard because I tried
to date girls, and even whenI dated girls, my family didn't like
the girls that I was dating.So I was like, what do you
want me to do? You know? And then I was out it because
my dad caught my porn or myhistory. I did forgot to lead my
history, so we caught my porn. I came out as gay, but
like I got to college and Iwas dating dudes, and I was like,

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this isn't sad, it's satisfying.You know, There's more out there
and I don't know why I'm confiningmyself to a box. And so once
I got into like stripping and gogoing, and then porn. I was
like, let me try pussy.And my first pussy was a transguy that
I dated, which was kind ofmy like like kind of like getting into
that. Yeah, So after that, I was like, this is amazing.

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I don't know, I've held myselfback so much and from and they're
just kind of blossomed into I careabout how you make me feel, not
within your pants. As an onlyfence creator, do you feel that women
are more hesitant to collaborate with youand they know that you're also collaborating with
men or do you feel like thetide is turned and it literally just like

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let's have fun. They're not,But I myself personally, I'm more attracted
to masculine energy. So that's whyI like like transmit more. And then
I also obviously I do different bodypeople. You know, I'm stick to
the straight or not like the Yeah, I want to talk about that.
Yeah, And when did you realizethat you were Because watching even your Instagram,

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which is safe for work, youare worshiping a big body, which
to an adult. I can't tellyou any adult start that I go on
their Instagram, they're worshiping a bigbody, and it's not like, look,
I'm body positive. It's more visithow did you find that for yourself?
So this is actually it's funny.When I was younger, there was
a kid who was big, andI used to pick on him a lot

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for his weight a lot. Ilike, like, I used to get
in trouble for how much I pickedon this kid. And it wasn't until
later that I realized I'm attracted tohim and I'm attracted to his weight,
and like, I, this isso bad. I remember I was drinking
off one day and he popped inmy head and I was like wow,
and then I noted. I waslike, Okay, I think I'm into
this. But it was until laterwhen I like started doing it with my

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porn, I was like, Ican't sexualize this body type. I need
to appreciate it because obviously I'm notthis body type. You know, I
can't be the face of you know, fucking big boys. Yeah. Like,
there's a fine line between appreciation andlike feticization. Yeah, similar than
King Dwarf. How do you feelabout that fine line, because there's a

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very much difference between appreciating you versusYeah, I think in terms of like
feticization. I'm answering the questions thatpeople have always had, and I think
with what I do, it's there'sthere's no especially with dwarves, it's like
we're we're unicorns to people, likethere's no I mean, it was with

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that my way my whole life.Like my mother would be like so pissed.
They would like point and stare,like growing up and it would be
like and I wouldn't bother me.I'd feel like a fucking like, you
know, little celebrity. But she'dbe like sap looking at my fucking child,
you know, and then you know, she went full jersey and now
it's like, stop looking at mychild, fucking exactly exactly. So um
no, And it's like I'm answeringpeople's questions that they've always been too afraid

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to ask, and um I don'thave no problem with that. I think
there's a degree where I'm not goingto be you know, a circus act.
And then but also at the endof the day, in the stuff
that I do, I take fullownership of the midget word and my content
because you know what that was usedlike as a knife against me growing up,
and now I took back the powerso using it and people seeing that

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they're like, wow, like thatyou're using the word like that's little,
what's PC? And I'm like,you know what, don't call a little
person? Like we have to gointo that because like I would love to
know, because I even said,like I don't know what's politically correct the
first time we ever, because obviouslyI, as I was under said,
I've been a fan of yours.Thank you, so I was pushing you
for cyber socket stuff. Thank youperson. We even say, we had

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a whole discussion about that. Ilove that. Thank you so much for
that's so interesting that you yessed,thank you, thank you. And now,
um I say, you know what, I'm in my bag and you
could fetis sized meal you want aslong as you pay me. Baby.
Yes, you had that article thatI read preparing for this about that you

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talked about being bullied growing up foryour body and who you were, and
then making six figures escorting on thatsame body. Yeah, so it's it's
it's it's really a full circle moment, like I am so confident in who
I am now and actually and Ilove my body. Growing up it was
you know, the ill fitting clothes. It was getting bullied. It was

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you know, and I was like, am I ever going to feel comfortable
in my own skin? And sonow to literally get worshiped for the body
that I'm in paid for, likeit's it's a full circle moment. So
at what point did you realize though, that, like, obviously, what
point did you rescue you had ahuge dick like you do your body,
but didn't always add up to everyoneelse's body class. Oh, it was

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in the locker rooms and that's whenI mean, the bullying was so bad.
But then it was that toxic masculinitythat I would kick in and I
was then getting respected. Towards theend of high school, after all the
years of the torment and the torture, it was like, oh, his
dick is fucking huge, Like he'sthe man. I mean, it's not
just huge, it's yeah, soyou know, and that's when the respect

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kicked in. And um, likegoing back to your point, it's just
basically, um, it's been sopowerful and and what was the second part
of your question, but go aheadabout realizing when your dick was Oh yeah
it was it was basically in thelocker room. Yeah. Yeah, But
um, yeah, and I wasjust like, now, like I'm fucking

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making money off this. This isfucking incredible. And it's taken that a
power. And we've had many conversationson this show about changing diversity and porn,
whether it's racial diversity or it's bodydiversity, and it's really it's on
the actors to say no, I'mnot going to be in this kind of
scene, or we're going to changethis ribage, or we're gonna change the
whole scene where I'm not going todo it, And it's putting that power
back onto the actors. Yeah,And we actually have a question from the

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chat room Judas, how would youdefine bisexuality and pan sexuality? Oh?
Um, So, bisexuality obviously byyou are attracted to two sexes, so
either man woman, you know manor trans woman or it's it's two sexes.
Pan Sexuality is a focus more onthe person and not what is in
their pants. So when I'm attractedto people, obviously I look at physicality

(18:57):
because I'm a guy, but itgoes a little bit further. I don't
care how hot you are, Icare about how you know, can I
stand you for an hour? Butit's like you know, I look for
something deeper than the physicality, youknow. Yeah, And that's why a
lot of people when I first startedfilming with big boys, because I would

(19:18):
have sex with them all the time, and I was kind of scared to
do it on camera. But Iwas like, whatever, fuck it,
Why am I being scared? Sothe first time, why were you being
scared? Huh? Why were youbeing Well? No, because I was
so I was already so big andporn and I didn't know if changing,
you know, my niche would hurtfrom my image. Yeah, I would
hurt my image. And so whenI first started doing it, I did

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get a lot of lashback from people, like they'd be like, oh,
are these boys paying you? Orlike this that this not There's always that
assumption, there always is. AndI learned that educating people on like why
I'm attracted to, you know,anybody, is better than lashing back at
them. And after the years nowlike i I've owned it and it's who

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I am and people respect it andif they don't, then you get blocked.
Period. So I'm gonna talk abouthow you guys got into the business.
Judice, I know that you werea stripper in Oregon. Who knew
that the stripping atmosphere in Oregon washuge? Yea, Like in Portland there's
I think two strip clubs and theycan go fully new. Yeah. I
can't to go and see because weare stage SAMEDIAX and then Silverado. Yes,

(20:25):
yeah, because they're like campus inCanada where you're like jerking and like
putting him in their mouths and stuff. Not so much more so they have
like poles. You can't say thatthere's like stripper poles and you can be
completely naked on stage and then theyhave lap dance areas where you can kind
of like that thing. But whoknew in Oregon? Yeah, in Oregon
because it's nothing else to do.Are two um co contestants are that we

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were on the show, Peter andJohnny. And Peter and Johnny they they're
resident strippers there. Johnny actually worksat so I started off as now Johnny
works there. I was like oneof Stag's first strippers. Wow, that's
incredible. Yeah, I want togo. Yeah, it's not what it
tried to be what used to Sospeaking of the show, how did it
happen for both of you? Howdid we end up on Go Go for

(21:06):
the Gold season two And what madeyou say? Yes, Um, I
got hit by Johnny on Instagram.Yeah, I got I'm friends with Johnny,
so he basically asked me part andI was like fuck yeah. And
so my joy. I wasn't evenliving in la at that point, so
I was no, I was notSo I had no apartment. Yeah,

(21:29):
I was staying with my boyfriend Joel, and like I was. It was
also was like my first big thingbecause I was in Jersey, Like I
was doing everything from basically my internetin my room, Like I was doing
everything from Jersey. So total cultureshock. Oh yeah, and like that's
what's funny now. It's like somany people are coming up to me at
these gigs now and they're putting aface to me. They're like, I've

(21:51):
been a fan of yours since likebefore you had less than a thousand followers,
and now I'm seeing you in person, and it's fucking wild. And
because you know, it was justlike I was scared. I was scared
of being used because I was adwarf and I was a super obviously niche
in what all these content creators aremaking. They're not finding another Dwarf anytime.
Soon. So I was I'm likesuper protective of my image and so

(22:11):
I was just like, you knowwhat. And then when Johnny asked me
and I was coming to see Joelall the time, I was like,
without a doubt, I'll do it. And I was scared shitless, but
I wanted to be on fucking TV. Yeah. Now, well and to
tell your story. You both ofyou quickly became fan favorites, and I
think a lot of it had todo with the confessionals that you could do.
Literally yeah, but like you werevery sincere and you know, you

(22:32):
told your story. It's like,yes, this is what the Gogo world
actually looks like in real life.It's not a bunch of white pretty boys
at the abbey. It's like,no, we have some diversity yet,
And that part for you being likeculture shock. It's also and we know
because we've had friends in reality TVcan also be very a lonely experienced,
especially that competition, because it's like, yes, you're on camera and the
cameras are off and you're in yourhead because nobody's there rooting just for you

(22:55):
completely, and it's it could bevery lonely. It is, but I
mean, I think I'm set.We were We were like kind of as
close as to a competing family couldbe, if I can like put it
that way. I mean, youknow, we had to be on for
the cameras obviously, but then Ithink like we kind of like sup.
I mean I can say wholeheartedly,Um, Judas has helped me when I
was on set, Um, Peterand Johnny. I remember when I was

(23:18):
doing that. It was the poledancing challenge and they literally took me outside
on the streets at burd Bank andI was like practicing on like those like
lamps. Yeah, and I know, the cameras should have been out there,
and like mine, Joe, I'min like I'm in a scruff speedot,
so like fucking cars were almost goingto pile up on each other because
everyone's trying to like get oh yeah, I mean yeah, yeah exactly.

(23:45):
So um yeah, and I thinkwe kind of became as close as a
family we can without wanting to likeyou know, jam each other out of
the way for the prize, whichis still part of the show. Oh
yeah, completely, Yeah. Whatdid you think, Judas? It was
great. I had a great experience. Here's my thing. I wasn't idiot,
and I scared, Well, Iwas already prescheduled work for those the
weeks that we were scheduling, soI was working the twelve days. He

(24:06):
was coming in exhaust I felt sobad for him. So after we were
like film for twelve days, Iwas then going to like a vpl or.
I was going to like, wehope they would let you work though
that you weren't just sequestered and losingmoney for you guys have to pay attentions.
Yeah, the drag queens don't workduring drug race. Well, I
mean that's true, honestly. Honestly, that's what I was thinking about.

(24:30):
Yeah, because like if I didn'thave Joel, I would have had to
pay for like two weeks for ahotel because filming was two weeks, And
I was like, where am Igonna get that buddy from? You know?
So, And then I wasn't likeI wasn't like I was just starting
go going, like I wasn't onthe LA scene at all yet. So
like when I saw him like strugglingto go to do his gig get coin
and then come back on set forlike twelve hours, like it was a

(24:52):
struggle. It was a lot,but here's the reality. People come to
LA and they think, Oh,which is gonna happen. I'm gonna get
on the show, I'm gonna befamous on Instagram and people have. You
have to hustle, you have towork those long hours. Just I want
to ask you, because we knowyou are booked almost every single time I
look at your Instagram, it's liketonight, I'm at I've been in California,
but Pump Springs, Long Beach,Los Angeles, any anywhere. How

(25:15):
do you keep your mental health andyour physical health up because your nightlife nightlife,
nightlife I've never seen really partake inthe nightlife. It's not like you're
getting wasted and all that kind ofstuff. But still those long hours and
the traveling and being exposed with yourbody and having dollar bills and pinching and
whatever else, that has to startgetting exhausting to a point where it kind
of loses the magic. Magic.Yeah, and especially doing only fans on

(25:41):
the side too, it can bevery exhausting. It's a whole job in
itself because you are the CEO ofthe manager, the you know, the
motor, the marketer, the calendatory. It can be a lot and it
was a It was a lot oftrial and error because I've been in this
industry for almost a decade, youknow. Um, but now, especially
in LA Thursday through Sunday is mywork week. Monday and Tuesday, phones

(26:04):
down off, I don't talk toanybody. I am home resting with my
boyfriend, like we are just chillingand like I do like I don't.
I'm sure you've seen my suction cupvideos on Instagram. So I take care
of my body, like I tryto go get a massage every week.
And how do we get that job? By the way, right, I'll
bring my own cop my Disney Collectorsus literally, But no, it's just

(26:30):
those little tiny things that you haveto, you know, do for yourself
sometimes because you can't get lost verymuch in the work, especially when you
start making money and then you justoverwork yourself and then you you don't want
to fall off because once you falloff, the money's gonna stop coming exactly,
and then everyone's gonna get bored becauseeveryone needs to keep seeing you every
day to keep them in your mind. You know. Well, as you
were talking about being so busy andyou mentioned your boyfriend, we obviously know

(26:52):
your boyfriend. What is it liketo date in this space and find the
time to have a relationship off ofthe persona who you are to so many?
Can I just tell you it's sorefreshing if I honestly can say uncritically
that if I was in a relationship, this industry would have been like ten
times harder on me. And justto clarify for our viewers that might not

(27:12):
know your boyfriend's Joel someone, Yes, is it because your boyfriend's also in
the industry that he can understand andmentor in Sometimes are like traveling, like
you don't see each other for aperiod of time, or like oh I
have to film for only fans,I can't oh date night with you.
Oh yeah, But I mean we'restill constantly always in like communication, Like

(27:34):
if he's filming with somebody and like, you know, I'm not going to
see him for that night, liketomorrow he's he's he's filming something and it's
like okay, like you know,we'll make tonight extras. You know.
It's like you have to like getthat balance of work, you know,
and then actually maintaining your relationship.But after doing a gig like go going
all night or like being around arowdy group of people or like doing you
know, working with you know,not necessarily great content creator, you know,

(27:59):
being able to go and um,you know, being able to go
home and like decompress and kind ofevent and get that love in return,
Like that's great. How does itaffect your sex life off the camera though?
Our sex life is fucking insane?Yeah, because I've heard from certain
couples that have to film, it'slike, you know then they always feel

(28:22):
like, oh, let's get thecamera out since we're gonna be fucking,
and it's like, well, no, it's always fun. It's always an
adventure when me and Tool get thecamera because he makes things so much fun.
And it's like he's so yes.So I'm a little bit on the
opposite end of the spectrum with myboyfriend. My boyfriend isn't in the sex
industry at all. He's actually aprofessional photographer out here in La Cool.
Yeah, so that's a good Likeyour boyfriend should be a porn star,

(28:44):
photographer, a lawyer, boyfriends literallymoving, Oh yeah, you need somebody
help. It's true, it's true. But no, he's he's so he
works a lot with celebrities and stuff, so he's always home editing and getting
stuff ready for photoshoots. Um,but he's not a sex worker and he
actually was celibate for eight years.Who so yeah, that's it's crazy and

(29:08):
the reward of eight years of ayeah right. But so when we started
dating, I told him, Iwas like, I don't want a boyfriend.
I'm do porn. I do this, like, you know, I
need to have an open relationship becauseI do have sex with other people.
And he's like okay. I waslike, oh okay, cool. And
he's stuck with me for a yearand we dated and we caught COVID together.

(29:32):
Yeah, and he took care ofmy ass because he caught He caught
it for two days and got betterand I caught it for two weeks and
I was that's true love. Yeah, And he took care of me.
We weren't even dating it and hetook care of me for those two weeks.
That's the same shit I Putjole dowhen once I got casted, Like
he literally was like, okay,this is we're going We're going here,
we're getting outfits here, we're doingthis. Everything was organized. I would

(29:52):
have been lost without him, Likeit was my first reality show. And
we were the two that like hadthe boyfriends on set, so we'd come
in with like our meals that arelike, yeah cooks. He's from Nigeria,
so he makes my meals every day. It's beautiful, so sweet.
Yeah. How do you how doyou get from not getting feelings with people
that you film with regularly, thatyou see regularly. I know, like

(30:15):
you as a as a Gogo family, there's some incestual stuff that can happen,
and you're seeing each other, you'rebuilding marioticill, but you can you
not build feelings through that familiarity andhaving sex with over time, with what
those walls have seen in the employeelounge. Yes, there's there. You

(30:41):
have to It takes time. Youhave to build that separation. This is
work, this is pleasure and likeeveryone gets jealous and you have to realize
it's okay to be jealousy. Idon't own anybody's period. Once you can
get past that, and especially withwork, you need Like I know myself,
I go into filming with someone witha very work mindset. You know
it's gonna be this, this,this, and this. I'm gonna try

(31:02):
to get you out of here byan hour. So I can go fucking
eat you know. Yeah, itlooks like you're having a fantastic time hours.
I want to both of you arevery successful on the fan circuit,
but aren't in studio porn. Isthis something that you yourself or like I
want to be in charge of mycareer to an extent where I don't want

(31:25):
the studio or is the studio notmeeting you where you are? And that's
actually a question we got from fromone of them from your fans. Really,
yeah, I don't. I amnot interested in the studio circuit at
this time. I'm really not.I like, I like doing things my
way. I like I like theway I'm filming. I like who I
work with. I like knowing whatI'm When I'm walking into somebody's apartment and

(31:47):
we're filming and we have a plandown, it's not going to be like,
oh no, actually JK, you'rebottoming today like dating a point start.
You hear of what goes on set, and it's not going to be
pleasant. It's not a fairy tale, you know. But the studios also
have the PR machine behind find them. They also have the large fan base,
so I guess there's I don't meanto cut you off, but when
you have a following on Twitter,I mean, like, I mean,

(32:07):
what's the following we both have.I mean, we're blessed to have fans
that are you know, the amountof followers we have, so we really
don't need pr I mean, I'mjust saying. I started off in studio
porn. Actually I started off withGuys and Sweatpants and Austin Wild, So
he was the one who boosted mycareer when I first started doing something.
Guys and Sweatpants started a lot ofcareer, a lot of careers, a
lot of very great porn by theway. Yeah, So that's where I

(32:28):
started off. And then I realizedI'm only making one or two grand a
weekend when I choot with y'all,and then y'all make money off me for
the rest of my life. That'swhat is like what we're going through,
right, That's what everyone was wakingup too, literally, and I hear
that from so many people in theindustry. And also to be real about
it, like when you're a musclewhite twink ye, it's one thing.
When you're slightly off of that,they could take advantage that was different within

(32:54):
the studio system. Yeah, andthat was my other probem the racism that
I faced in porn. I waseither too black or not black enough,
or too alternative looking, or we'veheard that this or that, or I
didn't have a big enough dick orlike it was just a lot, and
I just felt so shitty about myselfand I was like, I can't do
this if I want to like continuein this career. Just it's not sustainable
mentally. I want to ask youknow, we joke about your big deck,

(33:16):
we joke about your big ass,and that is a lot of focus.
A lot of your fans love thoseattributes on you. Do you ever
feel overshadowed by your body parts andbe like, I'm a person too,
I have skills too, It's notjust my ass. Like like everybody,
that's when dances wants cut you out, I mean me included. I was
like, wow, part of theclub, Like that's got to be tired.

(33:37):
It's like, you know, I'mI'm a person here and you know,
focus on your big deck. It'slike yeah, yeah, I always
say I always say to people,I have a Beyonce mentality. Show people
what you want them to be shown, and keep your personal life, your
personal life. Nobody knows what myboyfriend looks like. Yeah, because I
don't show them because I didn't knowyou had one exactly, And a lot

(33:59):
of people don't like because he's mine, you know, and like that's my
personal life and this is my worklife. That's in separation of the Yeah,
separation, there's a separation in thebalance, and so that's me.
I don't know about you. Um, I think I just have a wide
variety of fans that I'm blessed withthat you know, they've seen me grow
from like Tumblr and I tumbling likethe times. But I mean, I

(34:28):
besides the nudes that I posted thatwould get me traction, I was like,
at my core, I'm a nerd, So like I was getting the
nerd like you know fan base,the ones who would play the video games
and they're like and they're like,wow, like I'll follow you everything.
Oh completely, you want to diehard fan base. It's the nerds you
like playing Twitch and that's on yourlinks and all. Yeah exactly. Yeah,

(34:51):
yeah, so um, I wouldstream. I mean, now I've
been super busy with LA, butI really want to get back into it.
But yeah, I would have thegroup of fans that would just be
like, we just want to watchyou play video games, and he talks
shit like we love you that much, and that touched there was like I
was like, so, wow,you guys really do love me more than
my dick and that made me happy. They were like, yeah, like,
well watch your twitch stream and thenif you happen to go to only

(35:12):
fans right after, yeah, that'llbe the great show after, you know.
I think only fans, especially duringCOVID, change that kind of mentality
because fans felt that they were beingintimate with you. They were in your
space, they were in your bedrooms, they were in your in your sex.
Everyone was everyone was vying for thathuman contact. But wait, let's
talk about the beginning of only fans, because I was there when only fans
first started big. I started onlyfans in two seventeen. Only fans came

(35:35):
out I think two fifteen, twoand sixteen. Studio Points wouldn't let you
have an only fans and film studios. Yeah, they wouldn't let you do
both. I didn't know that.Yeah, so you had to pick one
of the other. So that wasalso kind of another reason why I got
out of Studio Point and I waslike, all right, fuck you if
I can't, yeah, I'm notgonna do it. But the nightmare of
Only Fans. When it first started, it would take two and a half

(35:57):
three hours to upload videos. Therewas really yes, oh my god,
constant maintenance literally, but constant maintenanceevery day. The site would be down
for days. Sometimes it was anightmare to do. Yeah, and then
you know, COVID did, like, you know, make it huge.
But I remember those early Only Fansdays trying to find people to film.

(36:19):
It'd be like, oh no,no, I don't do that. No,
yeah, it was. It wasjust a nightmare to be able to
film it. And then it blewup and everyone came back and was like,
okay, let's film It's like no, I remember, I was just
doing it. Was consenting, likepeople that were like you're you're a big
deal. Yeah, fuck beyond camera, sure, why not as long as
my face is hidden or something likethat, And I would just upload that
to my only fans and boom,like what. I can't tell you how

(36:40):
many studio porn stars said when OnlyFans was early like I'm not gonna do
only fans, Like they're going toresort to only fans to pay their bills
and now they're begging to be onlyfans all that. It's like, m
I want to know, like,what made you say yes to to filming
adult content in the first place?What was that first opportunity and what made

(37:00):
you say yes? I was tiredof working in Oregon, But that part,
I mean, I was I wasin the nine to five field,
and I was working, and Iwas looking at my two checks and I
was like, I'm making on onlyfans what I'm making two weeks at my
fucking nine to five jobs exactly.But but what got you to only fans

(37:21):
in the first place? Somebody suggested, yeah, it was. It was
definitely when I was getting Tumbler kindof they did the most idiot decision and
obviously, you know, they bannedform and then it was like everyone migrated
to Twitter, and then people werelike, you really need to monetize this,
because like I can only do apremium snapchat so much like that's what
everyone was doing before, only fans. It was like seventy ten dollars and

(37:44):
you could join my premium snap andthen that gets reported and then boom,
you know, so people were like, you need to monetize this. So
between chatter Bait and Camp four,I got that in the mix as well,
because that was like everyone was flockingtoo, and people were like,
you are such a star on chatterBait, You're gonna kill it on only
fans as well. Were you nervousfrom filming your first scene? Um no,

(38:05):
because once you do that, it'syeah, no, yeah, I
was. I was happy. IMean. The funny thing is with my
chatter Bait Camp shows, they wouldgo viral like because when I literally like
whipped my dick out, like Iwould see myself on every single point side
and it's this one clip. Imean all of you probably have seen it,
yeah, and it's and it's literallyme literally in my bedroom like like

(38:31):
just finally whipping it out. Itwas probably like my first or second show
on chatter Bait, and everyone wasjust like you hear the audio of me
like reacting to everybody being in shop. We were nervous at all. Now.
I was like I was like bornfor this moment ready. Yeah,
I mean I wanted. I wason that journey of like I've been through
it. I was bullied. Iwas like this was my journey of like

(38:52):
am I gonna find my am,I sexy am, I appealing to people.
That was like the whole long journeyof like my self esteem, Like
and the Internet was my best friendin that aspect. Like I thought I
was gonna get fucking trolls in myroom, like I'm gonna like, you
know, it's snow white out ofone of her dwarves out like you know,
like literally, and but Chatterby wasreally kind to me, you know,
and that's that's something I could bereally grateful for. But that's refreshing

(39:15):
to hear. You know, wehear about all the social haters and like
on drag race and you know,even go going the goal if everybody had
had their opinions. So that's goodto hear. I think positive. I
think it's the energy you zoo too, and people pick up on that.
Like I have to say, I'vehad very few keyboard warriors, Like maybe
once once in a while I'll getone. You know, they they'll like,
they'll you know, they'll like aJoel's buy porn and they'll be like,

(39:36):
he's gonna leave you for a woman. And you know, anybody who's
ever met Joel, I'm like,no, my man's my man's mind,
thank you. Um, and youknow, just just other stuff like he
like trolls that will try to likeeither get in between our relationship or just
to start drama. People get jealous, even people in the industry. A
lot of porn relationships do not workcompletely. But we see from Hollywood,

(39:58):
especially in this last two weeks.Everyone and I don't even know arian Ariana
Grande was married. I didn't knowshe's married, so she got divorced.
Literally, you know, let's goback to Sofia for car is married.
I don't care what he does.Every shit's the bed you stay married exactly.

(40:20):
Yeah, magic Mike. But Arianna, that's the whole other thing.
He didn't he knew that she wassuper famous, really mortal. Yeah yeah,
oh really, I don't know aboutthat. Yeah, they just Ricky
Martin Patrick Patrick Harris had that thatinteresting story that came bad about him that

(40:40):
it dies. It could have beenthat don't leave me for six months after
this breaks and you'll get more money. Who knows, you know how Hollywood
works. I mean, Neil PatrickHarris, he's done a lot for our
community, but being in that marriageis like what you're like in a relationship
with Vanilla ice Cream. It's likea kidding. He was naked in an

(41:01):
off Broadway show. David has ahuge dick. Really look at up online.
It's just like just like Jesse Williams, that's gorgeous, man, that's
a basic gorgeous. Yeah. Butlet's question for you. I want to
go back to your first like,Okay, I'm gonna do this and your
first scene. Were you nervous oranything and you weren't afraid of like putting

(41:24):
it all out? No? Becauseagain tripping No. So here's again.
We had Snapchat, we had Tumblr. Um, so I was doing that
way before. And I was alsoan escort in Utah when I was going
to college. Wait, how isthe market out there? The Mormon daddies
that would pay you a pretty pennyto keep your mouth quiet because they were

(41:45):
also married and had three kids.Yes, the sugar No, but the
amount of sugar daddies I had outthere because I was I went to college
out there eighteen through twenty, soI was young. I was so much
leverage over there, like, ohI could have ye. One of one
of their wives found out like she'slike I knew what was happening. She's

(42:06):
like, as long as you guysdo it while we're at church, I
don't give a fun I'm dead.I was like, we did a big
love reboot, like exactly, noadd escorting. Were you afraid to escort?
Were you put the situations you don'twant to be? I was just
so dumb in naive, like Ididn't know any better. I was using
Backpage and Craigslist to escort. Itwas so the excitement was going to show

(42:30):
up at my hotel. Yeah,I never I never had people over.
I always went to their house.That's smart. Yeah, and so yeah,
I could have been kidney. Ididn't know do that now and people
find me where they're like, yo, you'd rather be killed in their apartment.
I'm like they're not. At leastthey don't know my address. That
part when you pull up you canbe like yeah, exactly exactly literally,
but no, yeah, I wasn't. I wasn't afraid because I was already
you know, very you know,loving of my body already, Like obviously

(42:53):
I had my insecurities because I wasvery skinny. I didn't like my body
that much, but everyone else did. So I was like, let me
ant tizes off this but again withthe whole like I went to their house
and not them to me, becausethere are a lot of creeps out there.
I've had a couple of stalkers whohave found my address who have like
threatened to you know, say shitabout me and all this stuff, and
it's scary, so I have toprotect myself in that sense. JUDI,

(43:15):
do you think um being so sexuallyinvolved in such a young age and stripping
and then escorting because you have tobuild that kind of wall between like we
were talking about physical and emotional feelings. Do you think it's tainted your view
of of emotional sex. No,If anything, it's elevated it. It's
allowed my mind to evolve and rethinkof how I've view sex, you know,

(43:40):
because again I have my work sex, I have the sex that I
enjoy with my boyfriend, and thenI have the sex that's for pleasure with
my lovers or my friends. Youknow, there's there's different levels. YEA,
how do you get on that list? No, but it's true like
sex with sex which all is waymore intense than connected, and it's it's

(44:00):
something I look forward to after eitheryou know, um phil me or taking
a client or something like that,Like it's something I really did look forward
because I don't have to be onlike he knows me, he knows what
I love, I know what heloves. And it's it's just so intense,
like it's something that I look forwardto because it doesn't have to be
no like act to it. It'snot. I'm not king Dwarf, I
am you know. Yeah, literallybefore you would been in LA for so

(44:27):
long doing this gig. What advicewould you give to someone who's nineteen twenty
years old who's like, I havea hot body, men love me,
I'm gonna come to LA and beand I think they can survive La.
Yeah, I was gonna say,girl, travel, go travel. That's
what I did when I turned eighteen. I went and troubled. I think
that's the best education. I thinkthat you shouldn't go straight to college or

(44:50):
even go to college, but youhave to travel. Yeah. So I
moved out of eighteen and I've livedin Washington, Oregon. Um, i
lived in Orlando, I've lived inTexas, I've lived in ut I've I've
I traveled. I wanted to gainexperience because again, I grew up in
a podunk Mormontown in northern California,where I was bubbled my whole life,
Like, so I wanted to getout and learn anything before I decided to

(45:14):
settle anywhere. And like, thelast place I was in was Austin,
Texas, and it was either herein New York, and I was like,
I don't want to do with NewYork winters. Well I was just
there. Yeah, I literally justgot off a flight from Boston. I
love the food, the music.Every restaurant has like a live band.
It's like where all these musicians live. Oh yeah, they're cute. Yeah.
But I was there a year andeveryone knew me by then. I

(45:36):
was like, Okay, I needto get out here, like I've done
the work here, I need togo Yeah. No, I would definitely
go back. Yeah. Um,now what kind of porn are you guys
watching on your own? And Joelsaid that he milked you before the show.
Oh yeah, before the show,before this show, you have come
pre milked. Well not you say, we end the show, but I
can imagine Joe. I'm not I'mnot sending him horny. Apparently I can't

(46:02):
let anybody around you because that wasoff camera. Any friends, I bring
around him and baby, don't worry, I'll see you after the show.
Thank god my Grandma's death, becauseI wouldn't want to bring around you know
who knows with the right lighting,not this. I have a very magnetic
energy he has. He's very sweetthe first an. We'll get to that.

(46:31):
Okay, So what kind of pornare you watching on your own?
Like, let's say it's a nighthome alone, you're a horny what are
you searching for? Amateur porn?Amateur porn? I don't because obviously you've
done studio porn. I know whatgoes on beyond it. But is it
amateur gang bang, amateur house?Yeah? I always end up in the
amateur like hand jobs area, ohyeah, and it'll always be like it'll

(46:54):
range from like straight hand jobs tolike gay hand Jobs' always switch back and
forth, but it always be likea type of hand job. I don't
know. I love when the gameguy gives the straight guy hand job.
That's and that's what I'm saying.It's like that, it encompasses because like
I love watching also girls give guy'shand jog like this. It's just so
odd to me. I like apublic play hand Yeah, like one of
those like they're on the train.Yeah, like cool and stuff. Yeah,

(47:16):
that's that's my go to. I'llscroll my Twitter profile, my Twitter
like time. Yeah I loved babBus. I can't tell you how many
times I yes, yeah, um, but yeah, I like I like
all the amateur stuff that a lotof these like only fans creators are doing,
like the public stuff, and like, you know, like that really
gets me. I love amateur stufflike Judas, Like that's the stuff that

(47:37):
I grew up watching, and likestudio stuff felt too like fake, It
felt too procured, and I wasjust like I can't get off to this,
Like I know it's not real,none of this is real. And
so I would go to the amateurstuff where you would see like the awkward
moments happen, and you know,like to see the camera shaky. I
want to see I want to bereale like fans on the bottom. I'm

(47:58):
like, this isn't from some literallyyeah literally, and that sometimes with studio
porn, they fake it. Youknow, I've had the fake getting fucked.
I've had the fake nutting before instudio porn. Fake or there's somebody
who won an Adult Industry award forbest come shot and it was not even
their Wow, but I'll keep thatto myself. Okay, go up for

(48:21):
the gold. Yes, who wasfucking let's die? No one, You
guys were looking up that stage.No way, I don't believe that for
a minute. Wait wait wait,let me refresh my memory. The drag
race girls look up. You guysweren't looking up, I think at us
to do that. You weren't putlike in the same like, yeah,
we weren't sequestered. If you weresequestered, yeah, there would have been
something. They would have been ago go for the orgy. Yeah,

(48:42):
Peter and Laza would definitely what havefucked? Are you kidding? Yeah?
Um? No, we were likebroken off into two groups, two groups
in two green rooms, and wewere told that we couldn't like talk to
each other. Yeah, that's theway they kept us apart because they wanted
everything on camera. Yeah, solike any any conversations that they would hear
us have, it was like,nope, no, put us up.
I thought they were gonna put uson ice, honestly, like I thought
they were going to keep us separate. Yeah yeah, yeah, Um,

(49:05):
what did you both learn the mostabout yourself? From filming that process because
as as fun as it was,I know it's exhausting. Oh it is,
totally and physically. Plus it wasmy first reality show, so it
was me first coming to California,so getting all the LA culture and finding
out, you know, I wasin my early early days of go going,
Like that's when I first met youat Hot Book Sundays because Mario Diaz

(49:27):
wanted me to dance his parties.And I was like, oh my god.
Now he's a great person to haveyour first gig with because he doesn't
just say get up and do yourthings, your looks, and he doesn't
tell it like he doesn't want thewhole who vibe. He's like, get
up there and looks sexy and slowand statuesque. Don't give me too much
dancing. It's all. It's allabout the vibes. He's like, I
want my party to have a goodvibe. And once I started dancing for

(49:50):
his parties, that's when everything snowballedand I was like, I'm obsessed with
go going. I want to takethe LA scene by storm and yeah,
but what did you learn about yourselfpersonally? Oh? It was it was
that I I definitely had the confidenceto do it like I was. Especially
when I was around seasoned professional gogo dancers. I was like, holy
shit, Like I've seen Judas everywherewhen I first when I was coming to

(50:10):
LA and staying which Joel, like, I saw um other go go boys
and I was like, Wow,I'm with some of the top go go
boys and like this is extremely intimidating. But also I'm going to be confident
in myself and I'm going to showthe world what I have to offer.
So, Judas, from your pointof view, how did you not because
I know on drag Race sometimes they'llbe like this queen has only been doing

(50:32):
it for two months, get out. How did you just because you knew
I was very fresh in again yeah, so how did you like take that
step back like okay, let mehelp this guy rather than be like nubi
um, you took me under yourwing. There was never no shape like
even the confessionals. I was waitingfor some shade. No. Yeah,
I'm very um picky and choosy withwho I hope in the industry. Because

(50:54):
again I was on Judas's good listin the show, Yeah, very much,
and we had talked before that.Anyways, yeah, we were going
to film together and yeah, andthen you got here and we just kind
of both got really really fucking busy. Yeah. But yeah, I'm really
piggy and choosing with who I letunder my wing because again I have to
protect my energy and again I don'tneed anyone shitty ruining my image. Yeah,
the two of you, as onlyfans creators, are so in charge

(51:16):
of your own image and what youare. You're editing your own videos,
you are choosing exactly how the worldsees you. Was it hard to give
it up to a production company youhad no say over, and you're like,
I hope I still look sexy,not really like at the end of
the day, like I just didit for the exposure. It's I'm gonna

(51:37):
look like Johnny Mcgomerin's not gonna makeanybody, He's incredible. Um. I
was nervous on some of the challengeshow it was going to be received.
I just didn't want to be likethe laughing stock, especially with the Laft
dancing challenge. I still cringe.I was, I was, I know,

(51:57):
I still cringe. Like I rememberwe were all watching that Mickey's this
past weekend, this past week andI was like, on my I was
like, babe, tell me whenit's over. Like I just couldn't watch
myself because it was very it wasvery clunky, and I knew my limitations.
My mobility really came into play atthat point, and to try and
make something look sexy and then alsotrying to navigate going on a fully grown
like five ten man and then goingto the ground making it look sexy and

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seductive. I was at a breathhalfway through. You could probably see me
like chugging and huffing and puffing onit. I mean you were there,
and so it was that's when Iknew. I was like, this is
when my mobility is getting to me, and it's this might cost to me
going forward. But you also showedthat here's an obstacle in life and it's
also probably had to overcome and exactlyand it also gave like most of the

(52:43):
people who were handicapped. There wasother dwarves that hit me up and they're
like, you gave so much representationon the show. What you're doing is
truly like you are the trailblazer forus. They don't. They would tell
me straight out they would never havethe confidence to do what I'm doing,
showing my body, making content,putting myself out there for the world to
see, like I'm I'm. Itjust brings me to tears because I did

(53:04):
this for all of us, thehandicapped and the dwarves that were struggling with
our image, you know. Yeah, So I get deep. I get
deep with that. Yeah, becauseit means do you guys ever get tired
of sex? Yes? Yes,all right screaming, so yes, again,

(53:27):
I can overwork myself a lot,especially with how much work I'm doing,
and it's just constantly twenty four sevensex sex sex, um, so
the blessing of having a boyfriend whohas been sellable for seven years. It's
that he doesn't always want sex atall. So most times we don't really
have sex. I have sex outsideof our relationships. Yeah. Our our
relationship is very intimate. You know, he cooks for me, We cuddle,
I clean the dish like it's verylike you know, yeah, like

(53:52):
mommy and dad, like daddy playing. There is this whole new movement and
even grinder has a new position.You know. It's it's it's I'm a
side, which means you just wantto do for play and that's oh yeah,
they're anti penetration, and there's asexual faction that is also becoming very
vocal, and they're saying, Idon't need sex in my relationship because it's
this emotional Yeah, and I findlike I don't need it. Obviously I

(54:15):
need to do it for work,but I don't need it in my relationship.
And I told him that from thebeginning. I was like, in
my personal relationship, I don't havea lot of sex. You know.
I jerk off a lot. Ilove to drink off, you know.
And then I do a lot ofsex for working. It's like that's fine.
I've been selled it for eight years. I know, like, you
know how to contain myself in thatinstance. Um, what was the question?
No, it was just yeah,yeah, Um so I don't know.

(54:37):
I get tired of sex sometimes,especially when I've been doing it the
entire week and I don't take abreak. Then I'll be like my body
will just be like shut down andsee once. Yeah, and do you
find it difficult when people meet you, they expect, uh, like they
expect your ass out, they expectyou to be sexy, and they expect
you but oh, and I you'veseen the way I dress. I dress

(54:59):
provide ocatively address how I want toaddress because like I know that I have
an image to maintain outside of myhouse, but inside I look like a
homeless person. I love. Ilove sex. Um, I think it
keeps it. It's it's such agreat fun like random. We keep it
very spontaneous with us, and Ilove that because after a hard day or

(55:20):
like going out and go going andit's just like dealing with you know,
like the debauchery. It's it's reallyfun to come home and like have like
hot intimate sex. And I reallyenjoy still like having sex with Joel and
then also having sex with the contentwith other content creators and whomever I decide
to. But yeah, or justat work, go going whatever at work.
Yeah, that's a whole other story. But yeah, girl, I

(55:42):
stopped both your twitters. I'm like, I know they were going to somebody.
It's so hot, you know,and like for the patrons that go
and tip you like knowing that youcould have fooled around even ten minutes before.
I mean, that's that's sexy,and that's exact. No, we
keep it. We keep it inthe families sometimes, girl, Yeah,
yes, we do. What isthe type of scenario that you haven't filmed
yet that you would love to umlet me think. I don't think there

(56:09):
is a scenario that I haven't filmedyet. I want to. I want
to go, I want to gomore into I really fine being tied up.
Very fun. Sensory deprivation is reallyfun to me. I worked with
some great content creators out in NewYork that tied me up, used and
to use like a magic wand onmy dick, and I probably came the

(56:29):
hardest I've ever came in my life. And it was so insane because obviously
eyes totally blindfolded, tied up,can't move. Your body is going into
a fight or flight mode where you'relike I'm gonna die and I'm like no,
I'm turned on and so yeah,and then to get off and like
to orget the orgasm was, Iwant to say, honestly, a hundred

(56:50):
times stronger. Wow. Yeah,because your body, I think is so
panicked exactly, and I want todo more of it. I'm yeah,
I think it's so fun. Ithink the creative to me like there's like
when you're tied up, like there'sso much, there's so many talented content
creators that put like a twist onthings. It turns me on. I
love it. Yeah. I don'tthink there's anything that I haven't filmed that

(57:12):
I want to film. I know, um, I don't know if you
know Han him playing the piano bythe way, he's so talented. Um.
So he's my baby and we're bestfriends. So we are always filming
together. And he's recently gotten intofisting very hard, so he's been talking
to me about that. So Ithink that's one of the things that I'm

(57:34):
fine. I just started getting intothat. Yeah, I just started getting
into it, and I love ithonestly. I mean as the fist fister
you are, like I could fitliterally like my child arm and somebody and
they love it. Like people comeup to me, we'll literally like grew
up and they're be like, no, that's perfect exactly. That's one thing
I still can't I just ya.It took a minute, but you know

(57:59):
it's yea, all right, Wellwe have to wrap up. But I
want to know what message Kingdorf doyou have to your fans. Thank you
so much for the support, especiallyduring Gogo for the gold. I mean
to see the outpoint of love eachand every single episode. I mean,
besides besides my content like stuff.When you guys go crazy over that,
just see me. Like, Iwas super nervous about being on TV and

(58:21):
obviously you know it being broadcasted everywhere. I was like, oh is this
going to translate? But the outpouringof messages and the support I got from
fans and they were so proud ofme on how far I've gotten when I
was so so nervous truly changed mylife and I felt so so happy that
I did what I did. AndI just want to thank them from the
bottom of my heart. And youguys keep supporting me on my only fans

(58:42):
and watching my stuff on Twitter andeverything I do. You guys just go
balls deep with me, and Ireally appreciate that. And I love you
guys. And where can people findthem? Follow you? I m only
fans dot com slash King Dwarf justfor dot fans slash King Dwarf and of
course my Twitter, Twitter dot comslash King Dwarf and I see and my
Insta handles on screen right yeah,So Instagram dot com slash King Dwarf official

(59:07):
happiness, Um Judas, what isa message you have for your fans,
a message that I have from myfans. Thank you for the continuous support
over the years. I have fansfrom when I first started. Only fans
who will come up to me andbe like, I've watched you since you
were eighteen, and I'll be like, because I'm twenty nine nine, I'm
like, what that's that's a longtime support. So I thank you from

(59:30):
the bottom of my heart and thebottom of my ass for supporting me through
all of my transitions because I've wentfrom top to bottom to verse to bottom
to top, and now I'm focusingon edging and kink stuff and so it's
just genius. Edging is so hot. I've Yeah, So thank you for
the support for through every endeavor thatI've been through, whether it's been ugly
or beautiful, because I know I'vehad some weird moments out there. So

(59:53):
yeah, thank y'all for real.We love the support from the fans.
I mean, that's what we that'show we can do what we do you
every day without them, you know, we would not be here with exactly
um and judis. Where do youwant people to find and follow you?
Um My Twitter and Instagram are boththe same handle underscores you just King and
from there you can find any otherlink to any other thing. Yea,
yes, all right, Josh,do you have any message from flashbot gay

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as as editor. No, itwas wonderful to have this time with you
into that media. It's my firsttime, so I can't I just can't
believe he hasn't met all of youbecause of my mind. I mean,
he's doing well. I'm also outof you. Guys are all in LA.
We already have these. We havethe Jersey bond already, so we'll
be out in the parking lot.Hook you up. It's fine as you

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do in North Jersey. Yeah,listen, the ball is closed. We'll
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