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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Who is the biggest threat that they look at in
the CIA? Is it a religion? Hey, look at what's
going on with Islam in UK and Europe and look
at the damage you're doing. They're coming over here next.
We've got to be careful with a religion, right. Is
it a region? Is it a community? Is it a mindset?
(00:21):
How does CIA you know, rank threats? And are any
of those that I sit on the list? Like, how
did they look at this? Said? And the number one
threat is this? Number two threat is this? How would
they view it?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
The number one threat is China still and that's not
just how CIA used it. That's in the published National
Security Assessment that comes from the DNI. Number one threat
is China. Number two threat is Russian influence and chaos
in Europe. That's the number two threat, I'm pretty sure
(00:53):
according to the DNI. And then I think after that
it goes into more transnational threats, cyber threats. I am
certain that the next year's assessment is going to include
fentanyl or something with Mexican cartels. But that's essentially how
they rack and stack the threats, and it's because one
threat has multiple sub threats. China is a military threat
(01:16):
to the United States. It is a regional threat to
a US allies, including the Philippines, Japan, South Korea. It
is an economic threat because it's growing its economic capability
to compete with America one to one. Whether it's telecommunications,
whether it's chip manufacturer, whether it's electronic vehicles. It's a
national It's a logistics threat with the movement of materials
(01:40):
as well as rare earth minerals. So these compounding sub
threats make China the number one threat.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Did they ever bring up the religion of Islam wor no?
Speaker 2 (01:48):
So is radical? Radical? Islam was absolutely on that top
ten list during the Global War on Terror because we
were we were concerned about the radicalization of Islam, not
Islam writ large, but that radicalization of Islam. What we've
seen since then is that anybody can be radicalized. It
(02:10):
doesn't have to be Muslim. You can radicalize an angry
kid in a basement in Pennsylvania, right, So there's ways
to radicalize all sorts of different people. So we've we've
moved away from being fearful of religions and move it's
into recognizing that it's the weaponization of ideology that's used
by radical groups. Yeah, I would be surprised, Pat, if
(02:33):
there's anybody in government that sees Islam as a threat,
I would be surprised, because that's that is a way
that was China does. But China's not the US.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
No, I know that, but China does.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Yeah, because and go ahead, sir, go ahead. I was
just gonna say, it's a level. It shows how how
not sophisticated China is that they still view that as
a fear, as a as a national security concern. Right.
They haven't. They haven't to the place where they actually
can identify a true threat.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Yeah. I'm reading the Shaw's book again for the for
the God knows how many times can you pull up
his book, not this one, go to images. I'll show
you which one it is. It's the last one he
wrote before he died. Second Row, second book, right there. Yeah,
that one right there, And he opens it up in
the first chapter and talks about his bigger concern because
(03:25):
this could have been a blind spot that he had.
He was more worried about communism in the seventies than
he was about Romeni, he thought, because of the whole
you know, Russia, USSR, Soviet Union and hey, you know,
Carl Mark Stalin then and all that, and they were
moving to Iran. So his bigger threat was the Two
(03:47):
Day Party. Saddam Hussein I think offered to kill Romieni
for him. Can you verify this rop I think Saddam
Hussein offered to kill Romieni and he didn't think of
Romeny as a threat, right, And some say he mismanaged
a threat. He saw an ideology philosophy like communism has
(04:11):
a bigger threat, and who's Romani? He's gonna come and
do something to your ound. You're nobody. You can't do
anything to me. And Saddam, who was a little bit
more reckless than he was, kind of like you're talking
about besides as a CIA earlier Sodams like, hey man,
you want us to take this guy out because you
don't seem to be too threatened by him. No, okay,
(04:32):
so he doesn't. And that offer was made by a
few different people. It wasn't just him that was the
offer was made. I'd actually rob if you can verify that.
I really want to see if that that offer was made,
because I don't want to just make claims and it's not.
I thought I saw this somewhere Sadam was saying threat
to kill, so somebody offered to kill when Sodamazon with
(04:54):
cassoaliding with I reckon our person, Shaw forced Romine to leave.
In that Jeff row Many forced to France. Some accounts
suggests Iraqi authorities harassed Romani and warned him to stop
his anti Shah activists, but there's no verify. Of course,
there's not going to be a verified record. But Saddam
had a position. He saw Romania as an existential threat
to Iraqi and went to war. So he apparently from
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I have some friends that were former Slovak guys from
back in the days, and I've spoken to some of
the guys. They're all older right now. The former deputy
director of Slovak is somebody that I've had meetings with,
visited the house. And Saddam had a better eye for
threat maybe than the Shaw because he knew that guy
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you have to worry about, and because Iraqi and Iran
weren't having problems under the Shaw, he wanted to eliminate
a future threat. He didn't the moment to Shaw fell.
What does Iraq do, Saddam do attack Iran? I lived
in there when Saddam attacked us. I'll never forget the attacks.
Taba Joe, taba Joe a matemes. We would hear this
or wrong, so the lights would go out and tabajobajo
(06:00):
at as a red sig signal shows that somebody's crossed
our border. And who was it? It was always Saddamb
and is sending his people over. Do you think it's
naive to not sit there and be seeing some people
that view Iran, we view us as the enemy, that
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they want to destroy this country and our Western ideology,
and say, no, it's more we have to worry about socialists.
We have to worry about communists, We have to worry
about Chinese, we have to worry about this. Maybe China's
not the naive one. Maybe you were the naive one.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Could that be a possibility, Absolutely, because if you think
about it, September eleventh, two thousand and one happened because
the federal government thought communism was a bigger threat than
radical Islam, And it wasn't until people were jumping out
of towers that we woke up to the fact that
we have a whole new threat that we didn't take seriously.
So in many ways, we're standing in the shoes of
(06:56):
the Shah, not realizing the true threat because we're still
focused on yesterday's threat. I think where we stand right
now is best defined, especially for people who understand how
to shoot a gun. You've got your five meter target,
and then you've got your fifteen meter target. China's our
five meter target. China's right in front of us, getting
(07:19):
closer and making gains every day. If we start using
our ammunition on the fifteen meter target, we're gonna continue
to lose ground at the five meter target. So let's
take out the five meter target and move on. Or
let's put eighty percent of our effort into the five
meter target, twenty percent of our effort in the fifteen
meter target. Let's not make the same mistake where you
invest one hundred percent of our effort into fighting communism
(07:41):
and then lose two of our buildings.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Yeah, because down was It wasn't the nicest guy, but
he had decent instincts.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Because the dude fucking got power in a history of
other people just killing each other.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Think about that.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
I mean, one of the things I loved about living
in the Middle East was that everybody knows what it's
like to fight for survival, so they never take it
for granted. Whereas here in the United States, you walk
down the street, you go to publics, the grocery store.
Here in Florida, everybody walking in out of publics has
no fucking clue how to fight for survival. Even if
they're carrying a weapon, it's there because they think it's
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going to help them, but they don't know how to
actually fight for their survival. I mean, there you've got
Beduin people who they didn't even have technology in the
nineteen fifties and now it's twenty twenty five and they've
got the most modern cities in the world. That's an
incredible amount of transformation that has happened in the lifespan
of basically two generations. They still remember what it's like
(08:40):
to be under the hot sun with nothing.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
No. I mean, that's the you know you said earlier
With Israel, Israel has an edge because they're always in
not flight fight mode, because they have to stay protected. In America,
we're so lucky. Who you're worried about Canada or Mexico.
We don't go to sing, oh my god, what if
Canada the taxes tomorrow? They cross the border Hey, Taba, Joe, Tava, Joel,
I'm not talking at me as Canada does here. No
(09:04):
one worries about that, right, It's a very different threat
that we have. I don't know. I was just kind
of asking to see if there was always conversations about
certain sex, certain religion, certain community, certain calls to be
ready of and how do you watch what they're doing?
Who's here? Who lives here? Who from isis? Who from this?
Who from Hamas? Who from you know? Who teas were
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