Ep 04 Pavel Bosovik CEO of 27North Expedition Vehicles

In this episode, Hank Strange chats with Pavel Bosovik about his venture, 27 North, and the Ascender Prototype. They delve into levels of overlanding, off-road testing concerns, and reflect on past lessons learned. The conversation also covers GVWR, startup culture, the Ascender's exterior features, and the upcoming Rex Rover. Finally, they address a viewer's question about ebike storage in the Ascender.

Episode Transcript

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Let's see.
We should be feeding out to the folks outthere.
I'm gonna Give this a couple of seconds herefor everyone to join in.
And as you guys come in here, just smash thosethumbs ups.
You know, we appreciate that here, and it helpswith the algorithm and all that kind of stuff.
Just as a programming, note So today'sWednesday, we usually do the Vanasore pod

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podcast on Thursdays.
So we're gonna do so for today, and tomorrow,we're gonna do episode 5, which is going to
have Nick Rekio of Coachmen Class B, he's thegeneral manager over there.
He'll be joining us.
So, you know, come back in.
You're getting a 2 for this week.
We didn't do last week.

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So there you go.
That being said, I think, I'm ready, Pavel.
I don't know.
Are you ready?
Yes, sir.
There's no time like the president.
Alright.
So for everyone joining us, let's get thiskicked off.
Let's just jump in there.
We're gonna be here for an hour Please feelfree.
Anyone out there ask questions.

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I'll try to get to as many questions as wepossibly can here.
So definitely put those in.
Let's, let's do this thing.

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Sure.
That's right.
And so joining me live today, as I said, on aWednesday special show we've got, Pavel.
Is it Bosovic?
Am I saying that right?
Yes, sir.
Right on point.
Pavel Bosovic of 27 North.
Am I am I pronouncing Pavel as well?

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I know some people have an issue.
Yes, sir.
That is correct.
Absolutely.
Thanks for joining us, Pavel.
I know that, you know, this is not the easiestthing to do in the world.
Right?
You know, basically, for people who want toknow out there, the title of this show is 27
North CEO response to donut media video.

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We broke a $1,000,000 off road camper, whichwas the offender from from 27 north.
And, I know it's not an easy thing to come on,go live, or even just go public when something
that, from some people can be mis misconstruedas a very bad negative thing like this goes

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very, obviously, public.
The video from, Donut Media is, I I think it'sapproaching 2,000,000 views.
And Yeah.
I'll I'll pop something up on that here realquick if I can, Pavel.
Let me see.
I'll do this just so that the folks out thereknow what we're talking about, let me switch

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over to, my phone here, so I can share withfolks.
This is the video we're talking about we brokea $1,000,000 off road camper.
So that's exactly what we're talking abouthere.
If you guys don't know will be a link in thedescription that you can go to and check that

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video out, maybe after, you know, after this, Iwould say.
Do it after this, or if you're watching thislater, you could do it first and then come back
and, do this.
So shout out to everyone that's out there.
We appreciate you guys joining us.
Smash the thumbs up, and leave questions andall that kind of stuff.
We'll get to it.
Pavel, I want to start with, you explaining tothe folks out there, who you are, and, how you

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started 27 North.
Yes.
Thank you, Hank, so much.
I'm deeply honored to be on your channel and,excited to be able to share a little about our
history and, where the vision, came from.
So, after college, I had gone into constructionand working 7 days a week, late nights.

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At that time, we had 4 foster kids at a 2 AMcall pay.
We got 4 little siblings, sub freezingtemperatures.
Can you guys take them in?
It was 2 AM in the morning.
We took them in and We just realized, you know,what parenting is like, and, the amount of work
and resources you need to be able to get kids anew start.
And my wife and I just sat down one evening andwere like, These kids are on our successful

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path to reunification.
And if we're gonna be working 7 days a week inconstruction, why don't we go into an industry
where we can make an impact?
Okay.
Alright.
So time we had our firm.
Go ahead.
No.
You're good.
So at that time, we had our 1st, 5th wheel RV,and we noticed that while, you know, it's built
for purposes, you know, if you compare a 5thwheel RV to, you know, a provost class a, you

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can say a lot of rude mean things about it.
But when you compare 5th to a 5th wheel andwhat it's designed for, you know, it's a it's
an awesome product.
I I wanna make sure we're comparing apples toapples.
Right.
But it wasn't what he thought it was going be,we weren't more expecting of an Expedition
Vehicle.
And seeing all the points that it lacked in,we're like, why don't we design our own version

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of that, that can suit the needs that we need.
And so we purchased our first van, had startedin my mom's garage this was 2020.
And, we converted our first van.
We put it on, Instagram, Facebook, and to seelike it just went viral.
So many people from all over the country wanted1.

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And we didn't stop there.
We're like, okay, the van is awesome.
It's perfect, but we're limited to off roadcapabilities.
So at that point, sales took off.
We were doing really well, acquired our ownfacilities.
And then, we're like, let's take it to the nextlevel.
Let's design an expedition truck, and that'swhere the vision for the center came.
And I just kinda went out the market and, did alot of industry research, and I see quite what

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I wanted.
So I went to the drawing board and I starteddesigning a shell that's, you know, aerodyne
dynamic, that can withstand cross winds.
You know, cross winds is an important thing forme whenever I'm driving.
I have a CDL.
I kinda it, but not everyone has thatexperience.
Like, when my wife would be driving, I'd wantsomething that can tackle crosswinds.

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That's where the shape on the side came from.
And we've started, I would say, it was probablythe early twenty 2 about a year ish ago.
We started building it, and we just puttogether a team of people who saw the vision
the way that we did, in a guy with 22 years inthe industry with modifying suspensions.

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And we just started building it in in the backof our warehouse.
Like, we didn't have fancy, you know, robots orwelding machines or $1,000,000 worth of re R
and D money.
We just worked with the resources we had
Mhmm.
And came out with the type of a sender that yousee before you on the screen.
Right.
So I think, you know, it's really important forfolks out there to to realize that you guys

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are, a, like, relatively young company.
Right?
So from from what I'm hearing here, the companystarted, like, in 2020?
Yes, sir.
2020, we just celebrated our 3 year in Strangelast year.
Okay.
So relatively small company, and the ascenderis kind of like a halo vehicle and also a

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prototype Is that am I correct with that?
Yes, sir.
Okay.
Alright.
So I think one of the questions and like Isaid, I'll take questions from folks out there.
I think that perhaps my audience is more of aclass b audience, so they haven't, they might
not seen this donut media video.
It's pretty big.
They might not have seen it yet.
Yeah.

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But so 27 North, you build on vans.
Right?
So I think you build you build on the ProMaster chassis.
I see here that, travel dreamer is saying whatjust the smallest chassis that you guys build
on.
So the smallest will be the Pro Master.
Right?
Correct.
We build a Pro Master.
The Sprinter 144 is not much bigger than that.

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It is tight but not lengthwise.
And then we also specialize in 4 transits.
4 transits.
So, basically, the 3 chassis that are out thereyou build on that, We do just so everyone
knows, we do have a relationship because, oneof your dealers is Sunshine State RV, which I
have a financial relationship with.
I do videos with them.

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I've done videos with you on their behalf, butI think you and I met first at CMA Show.
Yeah.
That's probably at least a year ago at thispoint, more than a year, probably.
Yes, sir.
Yeah.
So we'll maybe we'll talk that story later.
But, so you you build on the vans, and I thinkyou have we were talking about at the, Overland

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Expo West, the Rex rover, which is is based ona Ford F Two Fifty.
Yes, sir.
You have that.
We'll get into that later here.
And then so the ascenders, your halo vehicle,and in this video, it says, what is it?
It says 1,200,000.
Right?
So
Yes, sir.
If you can if you can explain to us whatexactly is the offender?

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And I think you're in it right now, right?
That correct.
I am in the center.
That's it.
That was featured in that.
Done a YouTube video.
You're in it.
Yes.
And maybe we'll we'll, you know, have Pavelwalk around and show you guys.
But what was the what was the full blownconcept of the offender, the this prototype?
What were you going for?
And then I think you also made some promisesthat Donut Media talked about.

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So I wanna, you know, what was the actual usefor this offender?
What was it supposed to do?
Where is it supposed to go etcetera?
Yeah.
So we set out on a journey to design theultimate Expedition vehicle, some thing that
can, essentially go, places your traditionalRVs can go.

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I've seen one too many stories, people tryingto take traditional RVs, which aren't designed
for, off roading or national parks in thiscase, and then they get damaged.
We've even had fatal accidents happen here inthe states.
Hear that on the news all the time.
And so what we wanted to do is just kinda takeit to the next level, and we tackle it from all

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fronts.
So similar to what we did when we launched ourclass V, lines of, RVs.
We made a list of all the things we believewas, locking in industry in the industry and
includes things like I'd mentioned Crosswind,air filtration, self sustainable, like,
completely, truly self sustainable.

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I'm very, very passionate about wood products.
So I wanted to incorporate wood products, butnot add to the waste as you can see here in my
background.
Real walnut, you know, real, wood productsthroughout the unit.
Okay.
And so this 1,200,000 that everyone's talkingabout, and I and, I'm trying to get everyone to

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realize here that you know, yes, this is a veryexpensive vehicle, but you guys are not a big
budget company, right?
You kinda put a lot of money, kind of I don'twanna say bet the farm and put words in your
mouth, but you put a lot of money into this.
Right?
Yeah.
A lot of monies.
I think money is the the just one aspect of thetime, the sweat, the tears.

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You know,
a lot of times when you take on a big project,you know, doubts and wanna quit, It's a lot of
motion, even even blood.
You know, we, you know, cut finger there and asmashed Strange there.
So with, you know, with the price that we putput blood and tears into this project.
So how much of that 1,200,000?
Cause we can separate these kinds of vehiclesjust like we do vans, we can separate it into

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the house side, right, which we can obviouslysee in your shot here.
We can separate it into the house side and thenthe vehicle side itself.
So what goes in, you know, what did you do withthe vehicle?
You know, it's a, I Hank, what is it, a F FiveFifty?
Yes, sir.
550.
F550, what's in that vehicle standard as youbought it, you know, cost wise and things that,

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I'd like to know.
And then what did you guys add to that?
I don't think it's it's in question here in notdefinitely not in the video from donut media of
the beauty inside.
Right?
It's looks it looked really good inside.
They spent time inside of you know, I thinkthey might have asked about, like, you know,
having a glass door for the bathroom.

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You know, in a video, the in a van, the in avehicle that goes off road.
But what how much money and stuff like thatwent into each side?
Yeah.
So so answer that question, I kinda have totake a step back and kinda explain the
different classes.
So in order to understand that in respect orunderstand value the cost we put into this

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unit, you really have to understand the enduser So there's different, levels of over
landing and off grid traveling.
You know, you have your entry level, kind ofwhere I started off my me with my
brother-in-law is, you know, taking a jeep or apickup truck and, rooftop tent.
And, you know, I've I I was a part of hisjourney when he was building that out.

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You that category.
And so
to put class door into the in into that level,it doesn't really make sense.
What we tried to do is we tried to taylor tothe other end of the spectrum, you know, the
the higher class hiring travel.
People always ask me, you know, how long dopeople travel in this?
And, I'll be honest, some of our clients, 2 to3 times a year for a couple of weeks, and then

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they keep it in their collection.
So I I always say you don't have to agree withit.
You just have to understand it.
And so for us, based on the truck, it's, we wego with the lariat.
So fully loaded on our lawn after deliveriesand stuff here, you know, you're pushing 90,000
just for the drop.
Then you have, some of the high cost items weuse all real leather.

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So we wrap the seats in real leather and suede.
The dinette cushions in the back real leather.
We use, exotic leather cow hides and, you know,things that are, both respected in the
community and, you know, thing of that poachingstuff.
And so when you got close to $12,000 just inleather work, then you got, you know, your

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unique Cambrian ports, countertops, that puts ahigh sticker, the shower door since we're on
the subject of it.
Mhmm.
I think between the hardware and engineengineering, a double pane glass that even if
you were to have a rollover accident or, youknow, any kind of incident, for the glass to,
be able not, you know, hurt anyone back here.

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We were about, you know, close to 6000installed already.
So you guys did think about that.
Right?
You did think what if someone, like, fell intothe glass or the vehicle rolled over?
Yeah.
What would happen with the glass?
Okay.
And then also, am I wrong on this?
I think the windows are bulletproof.
Is that true or not?
So on this one, we did a ballistic grade glass.

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It's not standard.
That's part of the upgrade cost.
So Yes.
Another reason why this one came because theystart at 7.50.
If you look on our website, they start at750,000.
We do offer security we partner up with a, amilitary, or, I guess, that's the wrong word.
A security company that does, the list is agray stuff
Okay.

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On doors and windows.
And so we do offer security package that adds,you know, a huge part of the cost.
Then you have, I think the next most expensiveitem probably this, electrical system.
We partnered up with Navigo on this one.
I'm gonna estimate.
I think it was upwards of $70,000 in battery.
So we have a 2008 powered lithium battery pack,2, 3a half watt inverters, giving you 7000

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watts of inverter.
We did 3 digital screens.
So as you can see, one, here.
Behind me, I guess, to be on that side rightthere, one by the bed and one here in the
dinette where I'm sitting.
Okay.
Then, iPad interface that controls it all.
So those are kind of the high ticket items onit.
Okay.
So, construction wise, and I know we're we'regonna get into this here.

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But, Levi, Coverdale says, when the drive shaftbroke, was it an overlook from the company or
an error on donut side?
So we're gonna get into that.
But, you know, I'm gonna ask you this questionagain, but on the on the 4 by four side, right,
the off roading or the go anywhere side of it,what was standard, what's standard on the

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offender and what did you guys add?
So standard is the one that's the stock driveshaft that, we had on it whenever we sent it to
Dona Media right now.
We, partnered up with another company toupgrade it to a a rugged off grid, kind of over
landing, drive shaft and axle.

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So moving forward, that's one of the key thingswe've learned as we're approaching 22,000 miles
now in, off, off road and on road testing withthis unit.
Is we are going to be upgrading the rear axleand the drag shaft.
Okay.
So were there any other off road upgrades thatwere on there already?
The vehicle?
I'm trying to remember.
I know I did, like, a I did a short, on youguys.

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Yeah.
So, initially, we did we did a Rayco grannygear suspension system in back because that's
just what's standard in expedition trucks.
I was always a firm, believer of doing more ofstuff that does require high maintenance.
So with air suspension, you got air lines.
You gotta put, you know, the the the the thethe the motor that takes up the moisture on the

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line.
So it's really high maintenance.
I want to more Hank, like, a simplest possiblesuspension.
And so moving forward, we're deleting the airsuspension, and we're gonna on the next round
of tests gonna do just a standard, bulky, leafspring suspension upgrade in the back and in
the front.
Okay.
Alright.
So let's get into, how, donut media got theirhands on this.

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I know when I saw you at Overlay West, whichwas in Flagstaff.
Zach was there.
What's his last name?
I think is Zach Diehl, something like that?
Nice guy.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And he had that he had that vehicle for a whileleading up to the show.
Right?
How long does Zack have it?
Oh, had it for almost a month, if not more.

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He drove it from, Georgia all the way toCalifornia, and then back to, Arizona Sedona
for the Overland expo.
So, yeah, he put he put a lot of r R and Dmiles on is what we call it.
Okay.
So and if folks look at that video, you'll seeZach in that video, in the background of that
video, as well as in the video that we did atOverland show the Rex Rover.

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So to your knowledge, did Zack take it off roadand do some off road stuff with it?
Oh, yeah.
You can go on my channel.
You can go on to the SADAX channel.
I think he did more extreme trails with it thanDona Media did.
But that's, you know, user's judgment.
I I maybe buy sort of Zach a little more, but Ithink they both did extreme trails, but my

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opinion, I think Zach did more trails with him.
Okay.
And and, you know, like I said, Zack's a goodguy.
I think he, somehow, did he connect you to thedonut media folks?
No.
So I met with Dona Media at CEMA in Las Vegaslast year.
Okay.
And
they did a feature on a pest CEMA.
We won a couple awards there.
And then, we kept the conversation going andthey're like, Hey, we're doing this really cool

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video where we compare, you know, high endexpedition trucks, an inch level truck, like
how describing earlier in this video.
And, we're like, yeah, we'd love to let youguys use it.
And I think it went really well.
Okay.
So how so just, like, walk me through briefly,how did this all I think we have, like, a
minute and a half here.
What was what did you think was gonna happenhere with donut media when they got their hands

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on this?
Honestly, I bragged the most about center ofgravity So I was whenever I was talking to the
directors there and, the cast, I was like, man,if you guys flip it, like, please get on video.
So I, I Hank, overall, a lot better than Iexpected, but yeah, I thought they were gonna
attempt to it, or not attempt, I thought, youknow, the trail they were taking is a fairly

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extreme trail.
I thought it was gonna flip.
Mhmm.
Okay.
So that's what you were worried about.
And I know in their video, there was a lot ofswaying from the offender, and I've even seen
that in some things.
Do you have an answer for that before we go onto the other stuff?
We're probably gonna take a break.
Mhmm.
Yeah.
Most definitely.
So, I personally did one of the first trailswith it.

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I as the owner and did the, you know, thevisionary behind it, I was like, if it's gonna
if it's gonna flip, it's gonna flip on me.
So I took it out to, Mount Zion.
There was a 30 degree climb trail that I didthere.
I think that's the most extreme trail the truckhas done, but once again, you know, each one
has their right to their own opinion.
Mhmm.
And so I landed at Trailers.

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We had cameras.
We had a couple of overlanded guys there withus supervising, and it did really well.
It proved my point.
You know, air suspension is not the way to gofor something, you know, that caliber.
And so, overall, you know, I was confident inits abilities, but anytime you have, you know,
someone new in it, there's always that, youknow, concern.
I think it's like Yeah.
You know, the We'll we'll we'll gonna take ayou guys might have already heard Lola and

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Alright.
We're back.
Sorry about that, Pavel.
I know you were trying to finish your pointthere.
Yeah.
Go ahead and finish your point.

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While you're doing that, I'll put up this,comment from, Mister Champlain.
He said it was very impressive that it didn'tflip And, yeah, you know, go go ahead.
Finish your thought, though.
Yeah.
So that was that was our probably sick the veryextreme 30 degree climb.
So we advertise that, you know, it's rated forup to 30 degrees.

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And so I'm really passionate about pushing thelimits on that.
And so we've done time after time.
That wasn't the first time we did that 33climb.
And so, like, it's people always say, Paul,we're still attached to your vehicle, and I AM,
you know, whenever you put in a fraction ofyour lifetime into it, in hopes to give other
people the ability to experience what youenvision, off road, track, to be, you know,

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expedition trips to be like, whether we'retalking, you know, Northern Alaska and
creature, or even Baja or, you know, anywherethat you to take an expedition per se.
And so, you know, anytime, you have that kindof paranoia or, you know, concern you want the
best for your client.
I I always take each trip personally.

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And so, yes, that was my main concern withdonor media, and any one of these influence or
YouTube, that take it out for R and D andtesting and, you know, reviews.
I call genuine honest review I I always havethat concern.
You know, what if it does flip over?
Because it's not it's not there yet.
Like, it's a prototype.
And being a prototype, it there's always that,you know, the unknown.

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Yeah.
So let's get to, Levi's question here with whatdid actually happen.
He says when drive shaft broke.
Was it an overlook from you guys, do you think,or was it an error on donut side?
What's your feeling on this?
That's the big thing.
Looking at this video, they were having theywere having a good time comparing to I think
they were showing, some kind of Toyota camera,was it a Tundra or, one of the Toyota's, maybe

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a Tacoma or something like that versus youknow, the offender.
And they and, you know, the main host there, hewas having a really good time him and one of
the other guys staying in the offender,cooking, doing all this kind of stuff.
You run me through what happened in the videofrom your point of view, when the drive shaft
broke.

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It's definitely not gonna be his fault, andit's definitely not an oversight on ours.
It was an unknown.
So being an unknown, you you don't know whatyou don't know.
And so what we learned was when you're going upa 30 degree climb, it's similar to rock
climbing.
There's voltage the lines you can take.
And if you, like, rock climbing, you, you putone wrong motion you fall.

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Same with off roading.
You look at the most extreme rigs.
Like, there's a, a youtuber that did arecovery, and he had a, a phenomenal built out
rig, but one wheel on the wrong rut, in thewrong twist, and it breaks.
It's off roading is it's beyond it it's an arc.
You know, there's so many ways about it.

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And, one of the unknowns that we learned istrucks, then it's time to take the stock drive
shaft and drive train to the next limit.
And so now we went back to the drawing boardsor can on a new upgraded axle, a new upgraded
drive shaft, and a couple other components thatI can't quite yet disclose.

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Okay.
Alright.
So it seems like they they went up the hillbecause they were going up.
They went up that hill, at least once, and thencame back down, and then had the guys switch
out that were that were driving the Toyota, andthen that's when this all happened.
What do you think about that?

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You know, it's it's, it is what it is.
I'll say
It should it should be able to go up and down,like, ten times or a hundred times in my
opinion.
Right?
In theory, yes.
You look at the team that recovered it or evenany off road.
I remember when my brothers were building outjeeps that they would take their original

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Cherokee, one of my favorite jeeps, I think,you know, minimal computers and so forth.
Mhmm.
And, man, we would then months building it outand we would go out and have a good time.
And then somewhere along the way, you turn toquake, you accelerate to quick something break.
I believe we assume it if Ford and Perfect,it's impossible to make a perfect product.

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It's how enabled is, the driver of the user ora comp be willing to stand behind their product
and have that continuous improvement.
Okay.
And I think that, you know, everything breaksout there.
And when you're doing this stuff, from my verylimited experience, you need to go slow.
And then I think the bigger you are, you theslower you need to go.

(27:49):
Right?
So I know, you know, I've done some of thisstuff in small like, I had a 4 runner and stuff
like that.
And and even with that, you need to go slow.
So if you've got something even bigger, youreally need to go slow and consider the weight
and all that kind of stuff.
Do you have comment on the wait because I knowI saw in the video, there were a lot of
comments on the wait, and I think in somearticles that went up there were wait comments

(28:12):
as well.
Yeah.
So it's definitely not £20,000.
I think they mistake us with maybe one of ourcompetitors.
I'm not sure.
We weighed in 18,200 something, whenever wesent it out to Donut Media.
That was with fuel and water in the tanks.
And then we're in the process of cutting thatdown even more.
Our goal is for production mall.

(28:33):
It's gonna need £15,000.
Mhmm.
Okay.
Is that within, In regards to Go ahead.
I'm sorry.
Good.
Oh, yeah.
That's well within GVWR.
Even Okay.
Right
now, we're at with the GVWR.
In regards to the second host in the video, Imean, I I value and respect is gonna be the
dust.
They helped the small startup companies forinfill Missouri, make it, and I I had just Hank

(28:58):
technicians go to O'Reilly's and Menards, andthey were recognized there.
So I'm I'm forever grateful for what they didand exposure they got us.
I just wish people took some time and not judgeus on you know, a couple of key features that
we're working on improving and kinda seeing thebig picture, the story, the vision, the what
we're trying to accomplish.
Push.
I think, that mares into the society we live inis, like, get people a chance.

(29:20):
Like, so many people have visions, and I thinkthey're scared do it because of the backlash.
I have an employee that I've been trying toencourage to start a YouTube channel.
And now he's even more scared to start aYouTube channel reading than these comments
and, you know, I'm trying to explain to him,like, you know, it's just do it.
Like, there's always gonna
be people that Things are things are going togo wrong you know, a couple, like, maybe it was

(29:43):
a month ago at this point, you know, I had ablowout on the tire, and when I had that
blowout, I made a video in told everyone, thisis all me.
You know, I'm the one that messed up.
I made the mistakes.
You know, I should Hank done things better, butyou learn from that, and then you move on.
And, of course, there were people like, oh,you're stupid.
You're terrible.

(30:03):
You shouldn't have done it.
And I take all of that.
Right?
And I think that same thing goes for you guys.
I think you're the company.
You created the product.
You make the claims and put it out there.
And when go wrong, you ultimately have to takethe responsibility.
And then on our side, we have to realize, hey,this is a new company that is pushing the

(30:24):
limits and doing things I think in a very bigway for a company that's relatively small.
So things are gonna go wrong, and we need togive you a chance to fix it.
You know, no one no one got hurt.
We need to give you a chance.
From the point of view of donut media, I don'tknow those guys, but I have run into them at
Sima.
I have been looking at their stuff for a longtime.

(30:45):
They don't seem bad guys.
I don't think they did you wrong in the video.
I don't think they were trying to, like, do ahit piece on you guys or anything.
They were really, really, like, grateful in thevideo, and they were impressed and all that
kind of stuff, but this is what happened,right?
Yeah.
I agree a 100%.
I mean, it's they did what we asked them to do.

(31:08):
Like, why would we be upset at that?
And so, I know moving forward, another valuablelesson we learned from this.
I know we talked about being honest and open.
Mhmm.
One thing we have in motion or in placealready, is a 5 day certification process.
So whenever we do launch our production modelsin the coming year, we're looking and hoping

(31:29):
for spring of next year.
We have a off road course that we're in theprocess of building.
It's a thirteen acre off road course on-site.
It'll have 30 clients.
It'll have, creeks.
It'll have rocks, logs.
And so each one of our clients is required togo through a 5 day certification.
So, a a certified trainer is gonna go throughand teach them recovery, teach them how to do

(31:52):
these 30 degree slopes, teach them, you know,how to self recover, So we'll have a sandbox
where we're gonna actually sink into the sandand help the client self recover out of the
sand.
We're gonna have a mud pit where they can go ina mud pit gonna have, you know, different
scenarios that they'll come across as they takethese expeditions across the beautiful country
that we live in.

(32:12):
Okay.
Okay.
Awesome.
I'm putting up comments.
I'm not necessarily getting to everything.
If you guys have questions, let me know.
Here's a tough question for me.
Why did you guys leave the sender on thatmountain for a week for other people to drive
by there and see it out there.
Yeah.
So envision a 30 degree slow
Mhmm.

(32:33):
A £18,000, expedition vehicle prototype, and,the recovery of that.
So as an envision that's a really challengingrecovery.
And so it took us about 5 days to coordinatethat recovery.
And the cool thing is another thing we learnfrom there is recovery.
You know, there's there's always the chancethat, I mean, look at the boating industry,

(32:55):
look at the aerospace industry, look at the RVindustry, you know, Hank break.
Things get stuck.
And I think we had given the industry standardof, you know, 3 months, 8 months, sometimes
years to recover something, without naming anynames.
We had a 5 day recovery on a prototype.
And so now we're putting together an entiremanual for 24 hour recovery.

(33:18):
Can we set the new industry standard?
Imagine being able to advertise, hey, We have a24 hour recovery in place.
I think that'd be
the problem.
Okay.
Very cool.
Yeah.
And so so, you know, donut media broughtMatt's, off road recovery in there.
I think he did a good job.
Right?
Did you guys know about all this?
Did you say, okay.

(33:39):
You know, it's tough to get this out of there.
We'll let these guys go in and do it?
Yeah.
We went through multiple avenues of trying torecover it.
We looked at cranes, trucks, I even entertainhelicopter, military, postcard helicopter.
I mean, we we That
would be expensive.
Every front.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Right.
That's, unless you can get it to be like atraining, but that is, anyways.

(34:03):
So, yeah, we found that the most, you know,effective and efficient way of recovery was to
do collaborations.
Matt's offer recovery.
You've done Immediate's Act did a wonderful jobcoordinating with our company and coordinating
with those 2 you two.
Channels, to do that and you signed for lessthan 2 hours.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He did a great job.
So, you know, kudos that.
Let me see if I'm missing any, questions orcomments.

(34:27):
Okay.
Greg Savage says you sent her in, in as anamazingly beautiful vehicle.
Is it possible to get, like, entry levelversion of it?
Like, an industrial or scale down version.
Do you wanna answer that?
Most definitely.
The the ascender starts at the 750.
That's our Rexover tears.

(34:47):
So instead of Walnut, you get aluminumcabinetry like on our Rexrover, you get cloth
panels like you would see in a traditionalexpedition crop.
We downsized all the speakers and leathers tomake it more.
I call utilitarian.
So that's I would I would say that models morefor your, true Overlanders.
So if you're really gonna be out in the mud,out, you know, snowboarding, all those things,

(35:11):
then, yes, we do have an entry level ascenderfor that purpose.
Alright.
Cool.
So let's, here let me what time we got.
Okay.
We got, like, 7 a half minutes.
Can we since you're there, right, you've gotthe vehicle, can we actually get a look at
maybe.
I think you're using your phone here.
So if you can, yeah, if you can I'll go fullscreen on you right now.

(35:31):
Let's get a look.
Let's show people.
If let's show the folks out there what we andbear with us here.
Obviously, Pavel's gotta get out of it.
So what do you do?
You're gonna do a quick sherbet.
Yeah.
So everything's good on the inside.
Right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
So this is the back.
It's the dinette.
I wanna highlight, we got an air filtrationsystem in here.
So if you're ever desert, you got sand, sosmokey.

(35:55):
You can air filter the air as it comes throughhere.
We have the dinette here in the back with aslide table to help you get in and out.
Without taking up extra space.
You got your 6 inch green tea leaf infusedmemory foam, cushions.
This is your cooking area here.
You got the upper cabinets here, real walnut.
We use the spring grade latches that kinda keepthe cap from closing, and then you got our rack

(36:19):
system for your plates, your control screenhere.
We have a full fridge here, so I'm six foot,and it's almost as tall as me here.
Coming here on this side, you have a fullshower wet bath.
This is that glass door that everyone's beentalking about.
Right.
And so you have your, sync, electric mirror,LED and so forth and then back here, you have

(36:46):
your, bed.
So Massive.
We take pride.
Yeah.
RB King.
So we're pushing
about 6 a half by 6
a half feet.
And then on our production model, we're gonnabring the front up a little to give you a
little bit more headroom there.
And then we got the awesome pass through here.

(37:07):
Right.
Pass through to the front.
And then I'm gonna go outside.
We're next to a major, Strange.
So my a little bit loud.
So I apologize for the end.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
Bear with us with the noise and everything outhere, guys.
But I want you guys to get a look at this sinceit came off the mountain.
First look.

(37:29):
So it still lives.
She still lives.
Mhmm.
Yeah.
Go for it.
Okay.
So we've just got back in California, so wehaven't done any of the major upgrades yet.
It's all still work in progress, but it itdrove itself off the mountain.
We upgraded the drive shaft and it drove itselfback from California all the way to Missouri.

(37:49):
Like I said, we're pushing 22 miles 22,000miles in R and D testing.
You got the big wheels.
It's pretty tall there.
The coating, I mentioned in one of my othervideos, we do a a Keplar based product to
ensure it doesn't scuff and scratch as thetraditional liners do compartment doors

(38:10):
throughout.
So another important thing, you know, makingsure you can access to repair it or service it
when you're traveling.
Speakers are an upgrade option that's notstandard.
You know, a lot of people ask there's so manyspeakers.
Speakers on the top.
Standard would be a roof rack, week withspeakers because it's our prototype and we take
it to shows, spare tire with its own winchsystem and then a secondary winch on the bottom

(38:35):
there.
Okay.
So now, are you going underneath so we couldsee that drive shaft?
Are you going back in?
Oh, okay.
What was that?
Yeah.
I said, are you going underneath so we couldsee what's going on underneath, or Are you not
showing that now?

(38:55):
Yeah.
Did you wanna see the Yeah.
We I think the folks out there would like toshow that.
Yeah.
Let's let's see what it looks like.
Underneath.
Let's do that.
Yeah.
Just for the record.

(39:18):
Okay.
There you go.
Alright.
Better get.
I wish I had more than 7 minutes.
I would go yeah.
It was Strange, but you're being on some
Oh, drive around?
Yeah.
Yeah.

(39:39):
We still have 3 minutes.
If you wanna drive around, you can.
Driving over some curb and stuff?
Oh, that's up to you, man.
If you wanna do it, travel dreamer, 46 is, canAvelar lining is a huge plus.
Yeah.
Let me get a a comment here from living,working outside box.

(39:59):
Says what type of sub frame to frame systemthat this have.
0 torsion sub Strange versus multi spring typeconnection or changes in type of sub subframe
planned.
That's the question.
Yeah, great question.
So, for our prototype model, we started withfoam and So we took foam and we cut out foam

(40:22):
panels and made a foam box.
Then we transitioned the foam, into a, steel Sowe Hank plasma cut panels out of steel, and we
made this shell.
Moving forward, we have a, patent pending panelI can't go into details, but that's what's
gonna help us cut down the weight drasticallyto £15,000.

(40:44):
In regards to mounting it to frame.
We do have a system that allows the shell tomove free from the truck and chassis so that
whenever you are climbing those slow or,driving down a bumpy road, that allows the
shell to flex.
And then going away from the air suspension toa liquid spring style suspension, gives it that

(41:05):
ability, to be able to not, lack of a betterphrase, balance go back and forth as much.
Okay.
Cool.
And we've got about a minute and a half here.
I'm just gonna get this comment up from Deborahand let you say what you think about it She
says, donut media use click bait tosensationalize.
There's a lot that went right, with theoffender, but that doesn't get clicks.

(41:28):
It didn't flip.
I was surprised by that.
Do you think they click baited, folks outthere?
I think if you're in the YouTube industry.
You understand that the cover photo, has to beappealing or attractive.
And, we don't have to agree with them.
We just have to understand that if you wannaYouTube video to do very well.
You gotta put something attractive on the,thumbnail.

(41:51):
Absolutely.
I agree with that, and they could have been alot more brutal, and we showed the thumbnail
here in the beginning.
It really wasn't that bad, but, yeah, title andeverything.
I mean, that is what happened, so they didn'tlie to you guys out there.
And they could Hank been a lot worse, you know,but, you know, yes, you're right.
As a YouTuber, I Hank to say a lot of this hasto do with attention.

(42:11):
Right?
And I know that sounds bad, but, you know,everyone's competing for attention out there,
but I feel like the donut media guys in even Ilooked at this with Lola, and she agreed with
me.
They were really very good to you guys and veryfair in everything that they did, and they had
15 minutes to do that.
You know, I do long videos.

(42:32):
Not everyone does that and puts in thosedetails, but my videos are for the nerds.
Donut Media is very big, very popular.
They gotta do quick stuff.
Yeah.
I, I have nothing.
I think they, they did, everything we askedthem to do.
And I think in some sense, even more, you know,doing the collaboration with the Yeah.
We're taking a break.
We're taking a break.

(42:52):
We'll be right.
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(44:01):
Alright.
We're coming back in here.
Okay.
So in this last segment here, I really wannastart off with, I don't know.
It's probably it's probably a little bit of aof a tough question.
To to ask you.
And and as I remind everyone out there, we arefriends.
We have known each other.
We've broken bread together on multipleoccasions and all you you're you're kind of

(44:23):
like the new the new boy or the new kid of theblock.
Right, Pavel?
I am, and it's I tell
you, Hank.
It's been it's been emotional.
If I didn't have people like you in my life, Ithink I'd be like, my employee, really
discouraged in not doing what I'm doing, butI'm just really thankful that I have people
like like you and Nick that, hey, you know,Paul, this is normal, this is all part learning

(44:46):
curve and, you know, just gotta power through,you know, those comments and, the people that
don't believe in you because it's your vision,and no one's gonna help you achieve it, other
than yourself and, you know, people like youguys.
Yeah.
And Pavel may may not, like, openly tell youguys this, but you are looking at a twenty
seven year old young man.
Okay?
So when I was twenty seven years old, I wasn'tdoing anything like that.

(45:09):
I'm fifty one years old, and I'm not doinganything like what Hawvel's doing.
I believe you were born here in in in thestates, but your family, comes from the
Strange.
Right?
Yeah.
We had immigrated here in the late nineties.
Mhmm.
Yeah.
So you're you're looking at someone doing,amazing things out there, taking massive risks.

(45:30):
Putting his entire family and lots of folks,that work for you that depend on you at risk,
but and you're thinking big.
This is I like about you, you're doing thisdifferent and thinking big.
But as the new kid on the block, you know,obviously, there's some other companies and I
don't wanna get into, like, going after theother companies or anything like that, but
there's other companies around is is a big partof this embarrassment because of you know, you

(45:55):
make some big bold claims, and then the othercompanies look at it and go, ah, look at this
guy.
He messed up big time.
Is that, like, a big thing for you?
It is because these other big companies, I,from a young age, looked up to them, I had cut
out, out of catalogs and printed off theirwebsites you know, pictures and videos.

(46:16):
And I couldn't wait to the day that I wouldtour their factories and tell them how much.
You know, I appreciate what they do, and I lovethe work that they do.
So to, you know, fast forward to having my owncompany and, you know, being responsible to
feed 37 families and making sure their paycheckcoming on time, to, you know, kinda not get the
support that I thought I would.

(46:38):
It was it it was an emotional for me.
But like I said, you know, people like you inmy life are able to help me get past that.
Yeah, man.
This is gonna make you stronger, and I'm I'mpersonally proud of you are dealing with this.
And I've seen you go through things before.
Right?
This is how you deal with it.
You you take it on.
It's your responsibility.
You guys get better.

(46:59):
You guys get stronger from here.
That's on you.
And I think all the companies out there havesomewhere in their history gone through this.
It's kind of the fire that makes your medal.
So I think what I would like to know, you know,and and I'll take questions from other folks
out there and put it up here as well.
But I'd like to know are you guys gonna goforward from here?

(47:19):
Is this gonna change how you're doing builds,how you're making your your builds more off
roadable?
Cause everything that you build, the van, thepickup truck, and and this as well, everything
is off roadable.
So what are you gonna do going forward here?
Most definitely.
I always tell my team, every, every incidentthat a client or influencer are are, youtuber

(47:42):
for, in this case, makes on the road.
It's not an an accident.
It's an experience and opportunity for us to bebetter.
And every, every warranty claim that comesthrough one of our almost 100 vehicles on the
road, in this YouTube channel, we write anentire Paul see if we go back to the drawing
board and make our units better.

(48:03):
And I think that's what really sets us apart isin, if you go back 3 years, you won't find the
issues that we had 3 years ago today.
And in 10 years, when we are, you know, theleading industry, standard in the Expedition
Vehicle market, you won't see us having thesame problems we had today as what I want to,

(48:23):
be you know, very clear on.
Okay.
And so if there's prospective buyers out therewho were thinking about getting something from
you, but maybe you know, seeing this gives themsome trepidation.
What would you say to those guys?
You know, if they're out there and they'relike, oh, man.
I have some doubts.

(48:47):
Personal level, and you will understand how wewill, exceed not only your expectation, but
what the industry standard is today in regardsto our quality product quality service.
And, you know, talk to our clients.
We have close to 100 clients all over the roadin the country, and, they will all tell you a
or experience.
There are issues that happen.

(49:07):
Anytime you take a house like structure and youput it on a vehicle and you try to make it push
the limits of what either one is designed for.
There's gonna be problems that arise, and wetake pride in our 20 fourseven customer support
line, with a 36 hour turnaround time on averagefor any, you know, issue that may or may not

(49:28):
arise.
Yeah.
Well, you know, when you buy something, we sellpeople, folks out there buy the people behind
the thing.
You don't just buy the thing.
Right?
You buy the folks behind that.
And I agree with you, you know, anything couldgo wrong with this.
I've been doing the van thing now for a fewyears, and you know, there's there's some
really good companies out there, so maybe notso good.

(49:49):
But anywhere that you get something from, ifit's a house, and a car going down the road.
Something could go wrong.
So it really comes down to how who those peopleare, and can you trust them, do they stand
behind, what they do?
Let's see.
I'm gonna give it give this comment from livingworking outside the box.

(50:09):
He, or she, I don't know, could be either one.
They do support this channel and, you know,they watch a lot videos make a lot of comments.
I appreciate that.
They say absolutely.
Hold on.
Let me put it back up here.
Absolutely.
A 100%.
It's a prototype.
That, still was built better than 80% of otherRV companies.

(50:31):
It's next to impossible to think Pavel and histeam had everything dialed in looking forward
to the next level.
Aw, I appreciate it so much.
I need more supporters like that.
I'm Yeah.
Yeah.
Don't let this get you down, man.
You know, don't let this get I think this isgonna make you a lot stronger and build, a a
lot better products out there, especially fromthe way you're not just like burying your head

(50:55):
in the sand or hiding, you know, somewhereunder the bed or in the closet from from the
monster of whatever this is.
So, So there you go.
He said he's, they say he, by the way, David.
Shout out to David out there.
Go ahead.
Sorry.
Thank you, David.
I appreciate you.
I'm going to follow your channel and go allyour videos.
So thank you.

(51:16):
I I always tell, you know, we have contractedbuyers.
We have prospect buyers that did, you know,call and say, hey.
You know, we were looking at buying your unit,your competitor showed us this video, your
competitors are telling us this, what do yougotta say?
And all I gotta say is, look at big picture.
We tackled crosswinds.
You can drive this truck through crosswinds.
How many other truck, expedition builders cansay that out there?

(51:38):
Who else is building a non square rectangleshape we tackled the security system.
You know, we're one of the first in theindustry to use a stainless steel camera that
doesn't scoff, doesn't scratch proven inmarine, application.
And the list goes on and on.
I don't wanna take up this channel, you know,boasting about how great we are.
I just, I just say, you know, give us a chance,you know, do your own research, do your due

(52:01):
diligence, give us a call, come to our product.
We let prospect buyers take our prototype out.
So if you're interested, you know, to come getin touch with our team.
We'll let you take it out and let you make yourown assessment on it.
Absolutely.
Mister Champlain says, the in this interviewshould definitely remove doubt about your
company vision, keep up the great effort youwill succeed, and, Deborah says more people

(52:27):
will watch the progress you make now, so it'sraised your company profile.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Yeah.
And travel dream of 46 says your company andvision is awesome.
Keep the mindset that Henry Ford had when hemanufactured his first vehicle, keep pushing
forward.
Aw.
Thank you.
You're gonna make me emotional.

(52:48):
Thank you.
Listen, I was you know, I don't wanna get intotoo many details as to I understand how
competition is.
Right?
That's for everyone.
That's on all sides.
Everyone goes through that.
You know, when I mess up, I'm sure people go,look at this.
Look at this mess up that Hank made.
And that's good.
That's why everything should be out there inthe world.
It makes us stronger when we're honest withourselves, and we can, you know, look in the

(53:11):
mirror and see who we really are and then go,okay, I've gotta do better and fix this.
So but I was looking at this with someone whobuilds RVs, and that person looking at it
didn't beat up on you.
You know, they said, you know what?
When when we started building RVs, we we hadissues.
We made mistakes, you know, and this thingactually looks pretty good, and mistakes

(53:33):
happened and you have to just move on fromthat.
So, you know, it's part of this business, thisworld, really, that you got into And I think a
lot of people will.
I agree with the comments folks are making.
So what's what's next from here, Pavel?
What's next?
What are you guys doing next?
What's next is I put a personal goal I'm notgonna go into production until we have fifty

(53:55):
thousand miles of testing.
And so we're at about, I'm looking at aspeedometer now, 22,114 miles.
So we have about 6 more months of stream offroad testing.
We got a professional, flying in fromAnchorage, Alaska.
It can't quite dispose his name yet to build upthe annual surprise and anticipation he's gonna

(54:19):
go put, you know, a couple of thousand miles onit.
And once we have all this data, we're gonnaincorporate it into the We're gonna upgrade the
prototype on everything that we've learned.
And then if all goes by plan spring of 2024,when our our d wraps up, we go into production,
and, full scale production in in our new stateof the art facilities here in Springfield,

(54:43):
Alright.
Cool.
I'm looking forward to seeing those facilities.
Lola says clearly Pavel will be working tocorrect the issue.
And, with the ascender on the next model andtime being what's next.
So what, I know.
So coming up, can we talk about this?
I think we can Can we talk about the rex rovera little bit?

(55:05):
Yes.
So, one of the things we've been learning atwere going through all these big trade shows.
So Sima Fort Lauderdale, some of the biggesttrade shows in the world.
We could never afford a make those happen, butthere's people that believed in us and helped
us get into these shows, helped us get our nameout there.
We found that, you know, a lot of people theywant an entry level condition truck.

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And so we partnered up with an extraordinarymanufacturer that's been doing it for over 10
years, close to 20 years in the industry.
And we made an X 250 model.
This model is unique in that it's, you know,very lightweight very easy to drive.
And then, what my favorite aspect is, allaluminum interior cabin tree, so you're not

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having, you know, the common issues you do whenyou take traditional RV off grid.
Okay.
And I was talking to Nick Schmidt of SunshineState RVs.
And, you know, he says that the Rex rover, thefirst one, is going to be at Sunshine State RV,
August 1st.

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So Yes, sir.
Yes, sir.
We're hosting a big barbecue there.
So if you're in the area or you wanna come outand meet us and kind of be a part of our
journey.
We'd love to see their free barbecue.
We're gonna have some music, some guests, theirfeatured guests.
I don't know, Hank, if you wanna go in and sayanything on that, some Yeah.
Well, I'll be there for sure.
So myself and Lola will be there, and, we'll dosome stuff, you know, with you.

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And look, like what we do with everything, wetest to the best of our abilities thing.
So when you guys see me, I think at some point,I'm getting that offender.
I'm supposed to be on the list.
Right?
Yes, sir.
You are on the list.
I didn't Yeah.
Wanna ruin the surprise, but if you're gonnasay I'm gonna confirm with Yes, Hank.
You're next on the list.
To take care of it.
Yes.
And when I get that now, keep in mind, I'm inFlorida, so it's kinda flat out here in

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Florida, but we have our own challenges outhere.
We have sand.
We have mud.
You know, who we have, lots of Temperature.
Top temperatures bush swamp.
Gaters.
I'll see communicate, but I so I can'tnecessarily do what the what the guys at Donut
Media did.
And this is why I think they did a service foreveryone.

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Out there.
Right?
Because they're in that area.
They can they could Hank gone up that mountain,but I'm gonna try to do, you know, to the best
of our abilities when we get our hands on therex rover, when we get our hands on the
ascender, and anything else that 27 North makesI'm gonna try to give you guys as much as we
can give you.
Of course, that's not gonna necessarily showeverything.

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Right?
And, although I have been known brake stuff,Pavel.
You know?
If you if you think the donut media guys arebad, I've been known to break stuff also.
So Hey, I think they're phenomenal, and I'mexcited to see what you can do.
If you can reach a new horizon, find a new waywe could be better.
I mean, I I'm willing to I'm willing to doanything it takes to be better.

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I don't know about you.
I think you're
Yeah.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
You know, we'll have to build a mountain inFlorida to do what they did.
Or I'll have to take a real long trip out tothe mountain.
But, no, I think, you know, I listen, thisYou're very early in your journey, and I think

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that these kind of things, when they happen tofolks out there early in their journey, it
always comes down to how they react to it.
I I had a comment from a friend of mine on myside that creates videos that, does van stuff.
And he said, wow, this was really embarrassing.
You know, and I I understand how it could beembarrassing, but the way you deal with this is

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you get in front of it, you fix the problems,you move forward, That's what's important.
And do you do you do you think that in thefuture, you know, you might get the ascender
back in front of media, that's a question thatI think some people out there would probably
like to know the answer.
I cannot confirm or deny at this time.

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Okay.
I think they would be more than happy, but Idon't I can't speak for them.
And I think folks would love to see that happenout there.
So, listen, we've got we've got, like, lessthan 5 minutes here.
I don't know if people have other questions Icould go back.
I think there was a question that I didn't, getto let me see if I can find that really quick.

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Okay.
So Greg average says the class b that I needhas to have the ability to store my very
expensive all wheel drive ebike inside or, orleasing a strong close box attached to the
back, built to similar to Hank's lithiumgenerator, etcetera.
So I don't know, you guys, I think, will bedoing stuff like that.

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Right?
Yeah.
I'd recommend our venture 4 model.
Sounds like that aligns with what he is lookingfor.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, can we get some can we get some more looksat, at the the, you know, the offender here.
Let's do that while we're waiting to see ifthere's more questions or comments coming in.

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The bridge here and, let me know if you can seethat.
Yeah.
So, say that again.
You broke up a little bit.
I like the bridge here.
As you can see, the bridge is really unique inthe sense that,
it allows, like, if you have
a pet with you or you know, children orgrandchildren traveling, they have the ability

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to access the back.
Okay.
It's made out of real walnut, so it's a walnutcenter console.
Mhmm.
Yeah.
I think you're breaking up a little.
It's Yeah.

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Are you there?
Yeah.
Can you hear me okay?
Yep.
Yep.
I gotcha.
Yeah.
So it's got an iPad in the front that controlseverything.
So if you're outside by the Camp Fire, you'reon your iPad, you can pull up an app and you
can, you know, play your music, control yourtemperature, get your hot water heater working,

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seeing how your battery usage is, seeing howmuch solar is coming and how much power is
going into it.
I think that's another, you know, uniquefeature that, I'm stands out to me.
Another thing that I really like about it isthe fact that the shape gives a aerodynamic.
So we were seeing our fuel consumption actuallybe, a couple I would say, I think it was I

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can't remember the exact number, so I'm justgonna round up, but it's, like, 7 or 9% better
than the industry standard, and that was justdue to being able to cut down the weight and
make it more aerodynamic.
Okay.
So that's the reason for that weird shape ofthe ascender.
Right?
Let me see if I can either find the picture andshow it to folks again.

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Let me see if I can go here and show that.
So, you know, let's see.
Let's go back to you, and then I'll just switchthe camera over to my phone here.
Boom.
So that's the reason for that shape there inthe back.
It kinda someone said it kinda looks like alike there's a bug that looks like you know,
Hank this big, huge back on it.
You know?

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Yeah.
So what we're trying to tackle with it, we'vemade some adjustments for our production model.
Is we're trying to tackle, crosswind,aerodynamic, and drag in the back.
So being able to tackle all those that just itwas a vision of mine from the start that's now
become a really awesome reality.
Okay.

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And so, like, for example, with the movementthat you see when as you're driving, you think
that's I know we're probably going back oversomething we talked about earlier, But the new
spring setup, suspension setup that you'regonna do, you think that's gonna correct some
of that?
Most definitely.
So it won't be as drastic.
So it needs to have that movement in the flex.

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Otherwise, you know, it's your interior isgonna sustain damage.
Oh, that's another key feature.
Like, there's so many things that weaccomplished.
I just wish people would acknowledge at leastone of them, like, our air filtration.
The wave of amount, our cabin tree.
Like, did anybody highlight that thecountertops didn't fall apart.
The door didn't fall off.
Like, they went up pretty, pretty fast speed upto slope.

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Like, you'd never wanna go this fast up aslope.
Not a single cabinet fall off, guys.
Not a single crack in the court.
It's not a single crack in the scene.
We had a couple of people that didn't believeit, so they came out here to Missouri, and they
were, like, running their hands a long jail tosee.
Okay.
It's not a single crack.
I think that's the huge accomplishment of itsown.

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Mhmm.
Yeah.
That is good.
That is good.
Listen.
The fact that the shower door the fact that theshower door swung open and one of their bags
fell off the they had mounted.
I mean, why would you judge, you know, whywould you judge something on an accident?
I don't know.
I guess that's Mhmm.
Maybe just me.
People, this is this is how we are as humanbeings, but I think that's the thing that

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pushes us forward.
It makes us better.
Deborah says, thanks Pavel and Hank keepascending, you know, and I'll tell you we we
got mostly thumbs ups in this video.
I think we got, we got at least one thumbsdown, which is fine.
You know?
You're never really doing well unless you getsome thumbs down.
So I'm not mad at anyone that's mad at us fordoing this.

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And what I would say to you is really to, youknow, in a 15 minute video, which is is is the
pretty much the average of what big guys likedonut media gonna do and very, you know, that's
kind of like what the audience out there, youknow, the endurance that that audience is gonna
have, you're really just not gonna get a lot ofstuff.

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So, for example, on someone like me, I'm not asbig as those guys, and I do longer, you know, I
try to do more detailed videos.
Some people say sometimes there's just too muchtalking, but where I'm trying to give you an
opportunity to get more and all that kind ofstuff.
You know, we have like a longer view durationon our video, so I think when I get my hands on

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it, I'll do something longer for you folks, andhopefully that'll give you more insight, but,
you know, this is not, you know, this not a badthing.
Okay.
Lola has a comment here.
Go ahead.
Go ahead.
Mhmm.
No.
I
was just thinking, like, they did a 15 minuterecap like, the 3 coolest things and the three
things that went wrong.

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And it's like, if you put on a scale, all thethings that we accomplished, all things that
are working, that are phenomenal, the cross,when the aerodynamics, the security system, the
Kevlar coating, the cabinetry, and the way wemounted wall and how it went at a fast rate up
a 30 degree slope and not a single piece,except the door latch to the shower, which only
got damage because the bag fell on it.

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Like, nothing inside got damaged.
Like, can we highlight all thoseaccomplishments?
And then, honestly, if you put all that on, ina ratio, of the drive shaft and, you know, I
think it's just it's a minute percent.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So here's Lola's comment.
She says, one of the things mentioned in thedonut media video is materials used, glass

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wood, etcetera.
Will Pavel consider using lighter materials inthe future?
I think someone did ask this, but you can tothat, question again?
Yeah.
So we have 2 versions of the sender.
We have the utilitarian 1, which is theRexrover, you know, proven phenomenal design,
aluminum lightweight.
I can't disclose our our our panels yet due toa pending patent, but it's gonna be

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significantly tighter.
And then we offered this, the high endascender, which is the leathers, the walnuts,
and that's just similar to, you know, a yaw ora high end jet.
That's just what that demographics want.
Once again, you and I don't have to, agree toit.
We just have to understand some people.
They like that luxury feel and look insidetheir expedition vehicle or RV.
And while some other people, they prefer thatutilitarian version.

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That's we offer both.
Absolutely.
Okay.
And, last, comment here is from living workingoutside the box.
David says, please keep us informed about themeetup at Sunshine State with Nick.
August 1st.
Yes.
It's gonna be August 1st.
I think it's gonna be all day Sunshine State RVis something like, a 9 to 5 kind of thing.

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What's what day is August 1st?
Is that let me see.
I gotta look it up now.
I think it's a Monday.
Is it a Monday?
Yeah.
Tuesday.
It looks like Tuesday.
So 2 August 1st is Tuesday.
So I'll be there.
Pavel will be there.
The Rex Rover will be there.
Nick, of Sunshine State RV will be there.

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And, I I guess we'll have we'll have some otherstuff going on, barbecue, all that kind of
stuff.
Please come down and hang out with us.
I'll try to make another video to invite peopleto to come out there and do that.
I do want before I'll let Pavel have the lastwords here.
I do wanna remind everyone tomorrow.
We're gonna have Nick Rekkiel of Coachmencoming on to, to do the regular podcast with

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us, regular Vanasaur, so that'll be episode 5.
This is episode 4, which is my favorite number.
Oh, we got another another comment coming in.
Travel Dreamer says Pavel.
They highlighted your company because you are acontender.
Focus on your growth and improvement even ElonMusk had a window shatter on a reveal of a

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prototype.
That's true.
And I and I immediately looked at it that week.
I immediately went and put my money down on theCybertruck, so I'm waiting for that Cybertruck
come out.
I don't know if you have any plans of buildingsomething off of a Cybertruck, but we'll see.
Yeah.
We'll see.
We'll just leave it at that.
That's amazing.

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I never thought let me Hank you, whoever youare.
Much lovely.
I
would just like to say in conclusion, to the,you know, 5 or 7 1000, you know, negative
comments messages we got.
I heard you.
I understand where you're coming from, and myrequest to you is to try and understand where

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we're coming from.
And then to the 11 ish 1,000,000, that arecontinuing to support us and wishing the best
for us.
I appreciate it, and I look forward to, showingyou, exact what we're working on and, you know,
defining a new industry standard in theexpedition vehicle market and making you proud

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Absolutely.
Thanks so much for coming on, Pavel.
I really appreciate you doing that, and I lookforward to seeing you, here in about a month.
And, and I would invite the folks out there togo look at other stuff.
If you haven't seen the video from donut media,go check that out as well.
Thanks so much You stay right there.
Thanks to everyone.

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Smash those thumbs ups.
We're on the way out of here.
We'll be back tomorrow.
We'll see you guys then.
We're out.
Peace.