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Speaker 1 (00:00):
By the year twenty forty five, sperm counts will be zero.
One in four couples are suffering with infertility.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
When sperm and egg come together, there's a certain amount
of health that dad brought, There's a certain amount of
health that mom brought, and that is now frozen in time,
and that's the starting point for this baby. That energy
that each parent brings to the moment of conception, that
energy stays with the baby for its entire life.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
When we think about myths that we have believed about fertility,
so many women feel they're like, well, something's wrong with me,
but there is a high chance of probability that it
might be yo.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Maa more than not at this point.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
And when we talk about mis health, is that testosterone?
Speaker 4 (00:39):
What are the causes?
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Like, what are you saying in your studies, some of
your highest success rates are with women who are over
forty So there is no clock.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Yep, No, there's not kids that are born y IVF.
What the research is showing is that they have higher
rates of brain tumors.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
And other leukemias.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Think about it, like, the egg has pheromones that it
sends out to track sperm if it doesn't like sperm.
It makes the sperm turn away when we do IVF.
You chose the egg, you chose the sperm. What if
your body was not even wanting to choose that? All
cancer is are hormonal at their core. If you are
dealing with cancer, you're also dealing with infertility. Could infertility
be a very early warning sign of potential cancer diagnosis
(01:17):
down the road? There's another side of the fertility story
that I think is not discussed enough. So when women
are on birth control are actually attracted to a different
type of mail, then they, oh.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Let's do it.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Welcome to Vought Empowers Talk. So we don't just scratch
the surface. We dive deep into the lives of some
of the world's most influential change makers. I'm your host,
Brandy Harvey. Y'all, we got a good one today. I
found her on the internet talking about sperm. I said, well,
she got to come and sit in the seat. Doctor
Marcia Shaffer is a first generation chiropractor and a holistic
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health practitioner. As a founder of the Shaper Protocol, Doctor
Shaeffer has created an evidence inform protocol for optimal epigenic
health expression. Her clinic is a health care ministry and
it's the first of its kind in Wisconsin, providing the
best fertility and preconception care. Her method is responsible for
birthing over one hundred babies in her clinic alone. Marcia
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is passionate about changing the tides in the reproductive world
because she believes there is so much more to becoming
pregnant than just having a child.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
Bought in Power's Talks.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Welcome wife, mother, chiropractor and holistic wellness practitioner doctor Marcia
Shaeffer to the show.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
I'm so glad you're here. We shook the nerves off,
y'all listen. She said, Brandy, I don't know, I say
some stuff that's not the norm, And I said, that's
why you're here, because we're gonna talk about some things
that we don't normally talk about when it comes to
fertility and birthing children and becoming parents, not just for women,
(02:59):
because so much your practice is centered around preparing fathers
and dads to become to get this parent journey going right. Absolutely, Yeah,
it takes two every time. Yeah, it takes two. You
talk about the energy of conception, and I kind of
want to start there. Before we go into all the
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crisis around the fertility crisis around the world, because it
says that we are in a fertility crisis. I want
you to talk about when we're looking to conceive and
have children, the energy that starts before you even get
in the bedroom.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Yeah, so each parent brings the specific amount of energy.
So quim physics is going to understand we all vibrate
at a certain frequency. Imagine the difference of when people
start dating, right, there's so much energy, there's so much excitement.
When they're first married, there's that energy and excitement, and
then they want to have a baby, and a month passes,
two months, past, five months, a year, and all of
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a sudden, it's like, well it's the seventeenth I'm ovulating today,
let's go, you know. And that energy that each parent
brings to the moment of conception, that energy stays with
the baby for its entire life.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
When I heard you say that, I was like, Oh,
I totally can believe that that that energy is gonna
stay with the baby throughout its entire life.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
How Yeah, So it's like that moment in time when
sperm and egg come together, that's where the epigenetic work
comes in right. So there's a certain amount of health
that dad brought, there's a certain amount of health that
mom brought, and that is now frozen in time, and
that's the starting point for this baby. So I'm just
trying to elevate the starting point for those babies so
that the next generation can start easier than their parents did.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Yeah, you said there's some things we should be doing. Pregaming,
So some of us out here we pregame it wrong.
Some of y'all taking shots to pre game. Y'all over
here pregaming for the bedroom. And you're saying it's starting
one hundred and twenty days before you even jump in
the bed. One hundred and twenty days. You need to
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be doing some stuff.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Yep. Yeah, minimum one hundred and twenty.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
So the egg cycle, we're not born with all the
eggs that we're ever going to have. That it was
disproven in two thousand and four, but unfortunately people still
believe it.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
Yeah we do.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Yeah, it's still told and that needs to be brought
to light that it's not that we're born with all
of our eggs, but over that one hundred and twenty
day cycle from what's called a primordial follicle. So basically,
the egg is in a very dormant state. It goes
to an active state in one hundred and twenty days.
So every egg cycle, you could say, is a chance
to have a healthier, more vibrant egg to bring to
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the game. So instead of you know, I need to
be pregnant this month, okay, well my egg is one
month healthier.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
I've got a healthier egg.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
And sperm takes ninety days, so we have new sperm
every ninety days. So that's why I work with couples
for a year ideally, but minimally one hundred and twenty
days prior to conception.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
Wow, I mean, what's so good about this?
Speaker 1 (05:52):
And you said that there are some things that you
need to do when you're talking about conceiving and being
ready for conception. First thing, get prepared. The second thing,
get nourished, Get focused is the third, and the fourth
is to affirm. So when we talk about getting prepared,
what does that look like Because there's a lot of
studies to saying stop to drinking, work out, you know,
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all the get you get the right food in your body.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Yep, and that's all important, and so a lot of
the things that I work with couples. There is some
supplementation that we work with, but it's getting I mean,
if there was one thing that I was to say
all couples should do, it should be that they're getting
metabolically flexible.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
That is such a.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Vital thing for sperm health, for egg health, and for
the epigenetic expression of the next generation. And so that's
that's not just a food thing, because I often tell
people what you tell yourself about the chocolate cake is
going to kill you faster than the chocolate cake will
because a lot of times, you know, if you look
at a food and you say, oh my gosh, that's toxic,
it's got all this stuff in it, or if you're like, well,
that's going to nourish my body. I'm not saying chocolate
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cake nourishes your body, but.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
You know, people had to draw through right now, do
you know what I'm thinking? That this is healthy?
Speaker 3 (07:03):
It is that right right right?
Speaker 2 (07:04):
And so but that attitude of you know, we're seeing
in the holistic health world people are so scared of
everything now and there you either believe that innate intelligence
is real and that our bodies are adaptable and responsive
and self healing, self regulating which they are.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
But we've given our power out.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
We've given our power to doctors and other people to say, well,
I know what's best for you. The best practitioners are
going to return you to your own body and say
what do you think is going on? And so that's
part of the preparation because I don't give a specific diet.
I don't tell people this is exactly how you need
to eat because different situations require different needs. You know,
if I have a marathon or I'm going to respond
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very differently with how they should be getting their goals
in versus you know, someone who's not working out at all,
we need to get them moving. But yeah, so that's
a lot of the preparation is how you're choosing to
check in with yourself and how you're choosing to nourish
your body, mind, body and soul through food, through thought process,
through how do you do you move because you have
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to go work out? Or do you move because you
know that it's going to fire your brain like it's
it's driving your brain, it's helping you make better choices
during the day.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
That's really the benefit, I.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Mean metabolic flexibility.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
You talked about fats you've talked about carbohydrates because there
are some people like, well, do I have to get
I have to give up meat to get pregnant? Do
I have to give up carbs to get pregnant? What
do I need to do? You're saying the biggest thing
you're gonna have to do is get rid of to stress.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
That's what's keeping keeping the problems at the top of
the surface, right, Yep.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
It's rarely.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
I don't know anyone who gets home after a long
day of work and they open the refrigerator and they say,
what do I feel like eating? Right, everybody says what
do I feel like eating? It's not what's going to
nourish my body today. You know, they're eating their emotions.
And so getting back and check with yourself and understanding,
I've had a really stressful day. How do I want
to best respond to that. Maybe I should go for
a walk tonight before dinner. Maybe I should get my
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system reset before I'm eating, because I'm gonna make better
food choices, and that better food choice is ultimately gonna
lead to a healthier system.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
Yeah, a healthier system.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
No one party is more responsible than the other.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
So the woman is not more.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Responsible in this fertility journey, and the man is not
less responsible. They are equally as responsible when they come
to the table to conceive this child. Correct, absolutely, Yeah,
or the table or the bed or wherever y'all gonna be.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Some of y'all on the table, baby, all right now,
some of y'all on the table. Listen.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
But so much when we think about all the things
that have been the myst that we have believed about fertility,
so much of that onus over the years has been
placed on women. I mean, I've had women sit in
the seat, you know, Keanu Watson. I'll reference her interview.
She talked about going through IVF and then she gets
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on the zoom call with the doctor and they're like,
it's not you, it's your husband, you know. And so
so many women feel this pressure because they're like, well,
something's wrong with me, but there is a high chance
of probability that it might be your man that is
the problem more.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Than not at this point, Yeah, because I'm finding, you know,
in three out of four pregnancies that are lost in
the first twelve weeks.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
There's chromosomal abnormalities.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
And it's been tied back to more chromosomal More chromosomal
abnormalities are found in sperm than egg, and so the
male could be actually the reason that those losses are
happening in the first twelve weeks. There's also a difference.
In the first twelve weeks, you have something called trophileblastic nutrition,
and the egg is not actually getting mom's blood supply.
The egg repeated trophiblastic nutrition, trople.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
Blastic, trophile blastic YEP.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
So that's when the egg all of the major divisions
are happening. Right when that the conception happened, the egg
starts the process of burrowing into the lining to build
the placenta and build the umbilical cord and do all
of that process. At twelve weeks, the blood supply shifts
over to mom. So if we're having a loss in
the first twelve weeks, I found it more tied to
dad than mom. But how many women are told don't
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talk about your pregnancy for twelve weeks because it's common
to have losses, or you need to go through fertility
treatment or IVF because you've had all of these multiple
miscarriages within the first twelve weeks, and then you're not
testing the guys, or they're doing a semen analysis, which
is a horrible measure of what we should actually be
looking at for fertility, and then they have no idea
why it's not happening and why the moms are so
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sick during pregnancy and why the kids have tongue ties
and they have all of these other issues. Well, it's
because we're not talking about health as a sign or
I'm sorry, fertility is a sign of health. We're talking
about fertility as I need a baby, and the baby
should be the effect of the work. The pregnancy should
be the effect, not the goal.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
Hmm.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
We got to dive into this because this is the
reason why I found you.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
I saw you speaking on a panel.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
You had this viral clip that, when I mean, went
wild over the internet, and I feel like since I've
seen that clips, so much more conversation has been coming
out around sperm heuth seven health and men and the
role that they play in fertility. I want you to
dive deeper in this because the statistics says one in
four couples are suffering with infertility and having trouble getting pregnant.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
And when we talk about men's health, is.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
That testosterone is that when we talk about sparm health,
what are the causes?
Speaker 4 (12:28):
Like, what are you saying in your studies?
Speaker 2 (12:30):
So again, the major thing with men is also going
to be insulent response. And it always, it always made
me question things when we look at the guys and
we say, okay, what are your jobs. You're the electricians,
you're the carpenters, so you're the people working around chemicals,
you're working around more VOCs and the plastics, and yet
you know you're not someone that we should be looking
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at just as equally as we're looking at women. I'm
not saying this is I don't mean to sound like
it's all male, but what I'm saying is women of
care this burden for a very very long time. And
a lot from that, from that clip on TikTok that
went viral, so many women said, wow, this I'm taking
a weight is taken off my shoulders because it wasn't
just me, and I constantly blame myself and I have
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zero interest in blame. I don't want to say it's
your fault, it's you know, it's his fault, it's her fault.
There's a shared responsibility, and that's an opportunity and if
your child, your future children are the goal that you
have to say, how can we be our best for them?
It starts before they're born, It starts before the pregnancy happens.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
And so many of our guys.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Have felt, you know, especially if they've been through the
fertility clinics, which a lot of them have been through
the fertility clinics.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Before they find me.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
They've said, yeah, I feel like I'm kind of used
for one thing, and then I'm kind of shoved off
to the side and now every all the focus is
on her and they don't even have that connection to
their child of like, what does it mean to be
a dad because they're shoved to the side and basically
your your job is done. And yeah, that's not.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
True at all.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
So go back to the insulin resistance because some people
in our audience may not even understand what does that mean?
Why how is the body responding when you're insulin resistant?
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Yeah, so insulin resistant.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
I like to use the analogy of your cell should
be like this jelly blob, right, so you should your
cell should be very flexible.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
If you are insulin resistant, you've got like a dodgeball
for a cell, right, So stuff.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Can't get in and out of the cell, and you
can't move hormones properly. Your body puts a lot of
inflammation out, so insulin is And that's where a lot
of my work came back into stress and not being
about the food, because in my own journey, I had
to ask the question, you know, why did some people
heal and others did not? Why didn't all of us
have the same response if this is what we chose
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to do. And it came down to the stress response,
and that stress the cortisol drives insulin. So you can't
just chase insulin, which is the driver of every single
hormone in your system, without addressing cortisol and the stress response.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Yeah, the stress was Here's statistic that's out here right now,
twenty forty five. By the year twenty forty five, sperm
counts will be zero. Sperm counts have dropped fifty percent
in fifty years. Estrogen is challenging the world. What does
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that mean when it comes to fertility and sperm health?
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Oh, that's huge.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
So Shanna Swan has a book called Countdown, that's where
that stats.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
I saw her. Yeah, yeah, I watch one of our interviews. Yeah,
to preference yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
So she is talking about that with the chemicals too.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
But yeah, the sperm counts, she's saying it's a species
wide epidemic, like this is not something that is just
slowly coming on. This has been progressively getting worse. Sperm
counts have declined, the decline and sperm has doubled since
twenty eleven every single year, so we're seeing an even
higher rate of decline since twenty eleven. And so yeah,
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the numbers are the numbers are not good.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
So is this what automy? I want princess treatment out.
And I'll just add to doc it was just barnut. Well,
you think about what estrogen does.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
So if there was a Teeter totter, and I'm oversimplifying
this for hormone structure, but if there was a Teeter
totter and insulin was in the middle, if women are
insulin resistant, their estrogen will turn into testosterone, which is
how you deal with pcos, and you've.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Got androgen dominance. Men with high insulin.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Are going to have that testosterone and it's going to
change into estrogen, which is where you get the men
who are having more female like characteristics. So you've got
this imbalance and the driver of it is insulin.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Yeah, I mean I feel like even when I look
at this younger generation, so many of the younger guys
they have breast and I think that this is a
contributing factor to that.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
I think we have had the longest standing untested research.
I guess you could call it by introducing birth control
back in the nineteen sixties, because all of these numbers,
even the traditional Seaman analysis that's where a lot of
things went with that video. The Seman analysis comes from
a two thousand and nine study that looked at two
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thousand men that basically said can you get your partner
pregnant in twelve months? And they took their numbers from
that study of two thousand men and said these are
Semen parameters. And so, first off, that was a two
thousand and nine study. It's twenty twenty five, and we
know that they've been declining. But they put their acceptable limit,
the World Health Organization put at the fifth percentile. So
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all of these Seman analysis when the guys here you're passing,
that's at the fifth percentile.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
So you're already below average, super below average.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Yep, you were deemed infertile.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Like in the nineteen sixties, if you were under one
hundred and sixteen million per mil for your concentration, you
were deemed infertile. And now the standard is fifteen million
per mil.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
So what do we have to do?
Speaker 1 (17:53):
You talked about you talk about the metabolic flexibility, You
talk about supplements in your practice, and you talk about
the stress and how we manage it and how we
can eliminate it. What's the first thing a man needs
to do if they want to conceive a child and
they want to come into this with optimal health.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
So I know that I'm biased, but I would say
start chiropractic care, because when your nervous system works better,
everything works better when your stress response can be better regulated.
I find often people don't make bad food choices because
they just want to make bad food choices. It's typically
they're stressed out and this is something and you can
almost every time tie it back to their childhood that
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brought them peace or they felt.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Good right as little kids.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
If you do good at school, if you do good
on your homework, you get ice cream. If you don't
do your homework, you don't get ice cream.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
If you read, you get a personal pampizza. The millennials,
this is what we.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Grew up with, and then you turn into an adult
and nobody regulates that. And so now we've got all
of these like grown children that are like, oh, I
can do ice cream whenever I want to. And you know,
so that nervous system response is really important, and that's
one of the foundations of chiropractic care is to help
the body reorganize energy so that your nervous system can
function more optimally, which means it's an ease on your
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stress response, so it changes how your body responds to stress.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Yeah, I can totally agree with this because I told
you before we started, I have been on a chiropractive
regiment of every other week and sometimes once a week,
going to get an adjustment, right because I wait trained
so much, because I just know that spine health it
ties to everything in the body. And I told you
I hadn't had an adjustment since January and I feel
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the effects of it for sure. But I want people
because even when I ask my team this in pre production,
I said, have you ever been to the chiropractor? And
Dom said, when I got into a car accident, And
that's when most people think that you go to a
chiropractor is when you've been in some sort of accident.
So I want you to help people like, how can
they start to implement this as a part of a
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practice to their health care plan.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
So, yeah, there's two types of chiropractic. There's the chiropractic
that's neck pain and back pain. That's absolutely a great
use for chiropractic. But then there's another side of chiropractic.
And where I see the benefit of chiropractic is like
you want to go to the bank just to take
the pens, Right, You're going to the bank because you're
gonna invest. You're gonna have your money there. Your health
is the same. Health is the new wealth. And so
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once you're out of pain, let's say your bank account
is zero. Now what do you want to do. Do
you want to invest in that health of your system? Well,
that's where you.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Continue chiropractic care.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Because every time you get adjusted, it's just like every
time a woman ovulates. Right, every time you ovulate, you
get a higher dose of progesterone for the two weeks.
That's bone health, that's breast health, that's I mean overall
all form mortality decreases. When we've got regular ovulatory cycles.
Your health is no different, but not ovulation for everybody.
But when your nervous system, every adjustment, your body is
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reorganizing energy, it's changing how your brain is functioning. So
when you have an opportunity to get adjusted, not because
you're in pain, but you're getting adjusted for the health
of it, it starts to rewire your brain and you
start to see neuroplasticity changes.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
So if you are looking to get pregnant in this season,
you would suggest and recommend getting with a good chiropractor.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Absolutely so. I teach for the ICPA.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
It's the International Chiropractic Pediatric Association, and the docs that
are trained by that organization can have up to two
hundred hours of postgrad training in family family wellness. So
when you have people that are focused in pregnancy, they're
not going to be the symptom chasers.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
They're not going to be there for your.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Neck pain and back pain, although they can help that too,
but they're there because they're trained and how to work
with pregnant women. They're trained and how to help support families.
If they are certified, they've taken my seminars, so they
know exactly what those suggestions are going to be, so
they're able to really help guide a different conversation when
it comes to your health.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
So the chiropractor, you would definitely suggest that.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
And then you talk about some is there something that
everyone could put in their diet or put into their
regiment that would help them increase their chances of fertility?
Speaker 2 (22:10):
So yeah, there's a few. So there's one product. Phosphatidal
coline is.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
Down, okay, san.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Again dog.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Phosphatidal coline, phosphatidol coaline correct, Okay.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
So some people work with coline, I don't.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
I mean that's great, but the body has to go
through more work to break that down to order in
order to use it. So phosphatido coline is actually exactly
how your body is going to take it in. It's
a vital part of every single cell in your body.
It's a vital part of your gut. Lining and sperm
and egg require fat. If the body doesn't have proper
levels of fat, it's gonna use cholesterol and that makes
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oxidation with the egg, with the sperm. It's not good
to use cholesterol as building blocks, but the body will
use it because that's what it's It's gonna use.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Whatever it's got.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
It's interesting between the phosphatito choline and glycans. When I
started actually tracking the outcomes of our pregnancies, our babies
stopped having tongue ties when we were starting to use that.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
And I think it comes back to the whole.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
You know, everyone's told to gain on follic acid, you know,
if you want to get pregnant, and I don't agree
with that at all. There's the folic acid turned into
folic acid.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
And folate fight.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
And I was like, if we take a physiology first
focus and we actually care about building blocks before a
B vitamin, let's look at what the neural tube. The
very first thing that's created is not created a B vitamins.
It's created from fats. So if we're making sure that
the body is already stocked, it's got good fats in
its system that are not oxidized, they're high quality fats.
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Now the body's got building blocks, it's got an opportunity
to start building properly. And I do believe that's why
a lot of our outcomes we I mean, out of
one hundred and eighty babies, one hundred and eighty one babies,
we don't have gestational diabetics. We don't have preclamptic moms.
We don't have all of these regular or normal.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
Even more me.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Nope.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
As soon as we started putting dad, I didn't always
work with the dads because I mean, this is I've
been a clinician for fifteen years, and that's where a
lot of my work has been up. Until you know,
that video went viral, a lot more publicity became, but
it wasn't until I started working with dads. We had
a mom who had three miscarriages and she started care
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her A one C, which is one of the measures
that we look at that was off. A lot of
her biometrics were she was not in a healthy state,
and so we worked with her for one hundred and
twenty days and her numbers got really, really good, and
I said.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Okay, we should work with your husband.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
And she's like, oh, he's busy, he can't make it
in and I was like okay, And she got pregnant,
and all of her pregnancies she had lost it between
six and seven weeks, and she was pregnant like hCG
levels were high to the point that we thought it
was twins, and she lost the pregnancy at eleven weeks, and.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
So I said, okay, and she said, I feel really
good about this. I've never been pregnant this long. I
think we're on the right track.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
And she got pregnant two more times, lost the pregnancies
at nine weeks and eight weeks, and her husband refused
to come in the entire time, and I ended up
releasing her from care because I was and I said,
this is directly related to him.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
And this is why I wanted you here because I
think that this is going to free so many women
when we talk about this conversation, because for so many
of us, right, so much of your worth is put
on whether or not you get married, you have children, yes,
and then can you you know, birth these children? All
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these things When it comes to relationships, it's like, oh,
she's a mom, look at her, Look at how great
she is. Right, But if we can't do that, then
it's like something's wrong with me. I'm defective. I mean
I'm not worthy? What am I doing? Why am I
not good enough? You run through all these questions in
your mind, and you're saying, dads have got to step
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up to the plate so we can get this thing
under control.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Absolutely, absolutely, there are so many women who take it
as the full ownership onto them, and I'm like, hey, ladies,
go home tonight and try to make yourself a placenta.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Good luck. You can't do it.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
We can't do it because sperm builds the placenta. We
know that paternal DNA builds the fetal side of the placenta.
So an insulin like growth factor, which is another insulin.
We want balanced insulin prior to pregnancy. That's what creates
a lot of the morning sickness issues because there's this battle.
The dad wants the baby to grow, the mom doesn't.
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I mean she does, but from a biology standpoint, there's
protection of the host, right.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
So the baby. There's this this.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Back and forth between the placenta that's saying baby grow,
baby don't grow. So that's the way if we have
metabolic flexibility, which basically is I always describe metabolic flexibility
as you know these electric cars they have and they
have gas. Right, So that's fat and carbohydrates, and your
body should be able to change back and forth between
fat and carbohydrate metabolism with no problem.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
You know, it's it's not the idea.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
That you need to be keto or that you need
to be you know, fat adapted or carb adapted. It's
that your body should be able to be flexible between
the two of them.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Okay, so we got the supplements, we got the the stress,
we got chiropractic care. What is that thing that you
would tell a man right now if he's like, look,
I want to have a baby, I want to have
a family. You know, we've been trying to conceive my
partner and I is just not happening.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
What would you tell him to do?
Speaker 3 (27:38):
So I would tell him that, I mean, it's the
same thing.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Get get adjusted, start taking your supplements, start taking care
of yourself. And you know, there's another side of the
fertility story.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
That I think is not discussed enough.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
So when women are on birth control, they're actually attracted
to a different type of male.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Then they oh, let's do it, let's do it.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Come on, come on, They're attracted to a different type
of male. So women will get off birth control and
all of a sudden will not be attracted to their
partner anymore.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
And that is more common.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
We've had divorces, We've had people who have thought, if
I'm gonna do this work, I'm gonna invest in this
and this is what I need because the baby's gonna
save our marriage. And I'm like, absolutely not. Babies don't
save marriages, and but yeah, they'll find it. And I
do believe that there's an energetic thing with couples too
sometimes when they can't get pregnant, and a lot of
women that I'll.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Talk to will say, ugh, I can't get.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Him to do anything. He won't he won't do any
of this work. And I'm like, and that's who you
want to have kids with.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
That's yeah, that's who you want to have kids.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Okay, So go back to a birth control yea, what
type of man are we typically attracted to on birth control?
And then what happens when we come off of the
birth control? Cause I will be all the way honest.
I was one of those college students, you know. I was,
you know, you go to the college, they put you
on birth control because you were sexually active in college.
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And by the time I was twenty two, I had
never done it again because my blood pressure was high.
It was taking my body through so many changes, and
so I haven't taken an oral contraceptive in years, in
over twenty years.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Yeah, So and I think that all. I mean, it's
typically you're going to be attracted to someone that the
birth control is going to override all your body's normal hormones.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
So women who think that they're on birth control to
regulate their cycles are absolutely not. But you're changing your
thyroid function, you're changing your insulin response, and that changes
actually how you perceive safety. That changes how your body
sees and views the world through based on the hormones
that you're taking. So you're going to be attracted to
the guys, and that's going to be individual based on
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each woman and what her own nervous system is telling
her what is safe, what is not safe. So but oftentimes, yeah,
you're going to deal with guys who aren't as dedicated
when you're taking birth control and you're gonna deal with
You're gonna deal with a different type of guy than
the ones who are calm and ready to settle down
and like actually wanting to give you the time because
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there's a lot of safety and that can that can
be perceived as boring.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Okay, so when you've seen couples who have been on
birth control and then they've gotten off the birth what
do you see because you say as some people get divorced,
what are you seeing in this response from the woman
once he comes off the hormones.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
So I work with women in about two to three
months before they get off birth control because I want
to get their system good with the nutrients and they're
doing a lot of the things, so especially based on
understanding why they started birth control in the first place.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
So I can't tell you.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
I would say maybe one percent two percent of women
that I work with got on birth control because they
were sexually active.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
All the rest of them. I had headaches, I had acne,
I had heavy periods, and I'm like.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
That was me that it's not even the reason to
be under control. It was it was me heavy periods.
And I was like, they said, oh, you just get
on the birth control piel.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
And I was first of all horrible at it. So
maybe if there was any if you can find a
more inconsistent person with them, that was me, Yeah, yep.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
And so they're just giving it as a band aid
and they're never actually helping women. And then that doesn't
surprise me that they are dealing with fertility issues because
you're crazy periods years ago are telling us your.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Hermones are not working well.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
I mean they are working, but not optimally. And now
we're just gonna shut your entire system down with birth
control for years potentially, and then you want to have
a baby and you don't know why you can't get pregnant.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
I mean, doc, I have known women who have been
on birth control for twenty years yep. I mean since
they were nineteen and twenty years old, some of them
since they were sixteen years old, and they have that
same conversation is, Oh, I just want to regulate my cycle.
You know, I have really bad cramps, and so if
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I if I take get off the birth control, and
you're like, you are doing way more damage. This domino
effect is not just with these cramps. It's going to
come into the cramp of that food that you about
to have a baby.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
War.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Yeah, it's gonna come into everything. And that's where I mean.
The reason that I do this work was because of
my own health journey. So I feel like a lot
of people, especially the work in healthcare, that have had
a significant thing happen to them.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
It drives what they do.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
And while my journey involved getting diagnosed with cancer postpartum,
I was able to retie back into all fertility issue
or all cancers.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
I'm sorry. All cancers are hormonal at their core.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
And so if you are dealing with cancer, which is hormonal,
you're also dealing with infertility. Could infertility be a very
early warning sign of potential cancer diagnosis down the road?
Speaker 4 (32:49):
Wow?
Speaker 1 (32:50):
And I you know I and this is with all
because what form of cancer were you diagnosed with?
Speaker 2 (32:56):
The first form was thyroid and that had been tasticized
in my limp it's in lung.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
And then also melanoma, so skin cancer.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
So yeah, and that was I was three months postpartum
when that diagnosis came in, and it was through that
just desire to want to actually grow up with my son,
because they told me, you know, eight and a half
percent chance at five year survival, you're not going to
see him turn one or yeah, you're not going to
see him turn one. And that kind of changed everything,
and it started to kind of reverse research to figure
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out why did this happen, and how did this happen
and why do so many women get diagnosed with cancer
and pregnancy or early postpartum And you know, if we
actually want to quit end cancer and that's not even
that's not even to have the conversation of the babies
that get diagnosed with cancer that are going through fertility treatment. Yeah,
you know when the parents needed fertility treatment to have
the kids. So you know, ultimately, what it came to
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me was, if I want to stop cancer, it's it's
so much further upstream. We've got to stop letting people
get into this. I need to balance my hormones. We
need to understand the hormones. We need to understand why
your body's responding the way that it is, because it
is intelligently designed. We didn't you know, God didn't just
forget to make an immune system. He didn't just forget
to be like, oh, you know, you've got regulatory mechanisms.
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But we've been taught let's trust somebody outside of us.
Let's not trust ourselves. We need to trust somebody who's smarter,
who has a degree or whatever to tell us what's
going on with our body. Instead of trying to navigate
our symptoms as signals and help have somebody who can
help us navigate what those or those symptoms are, to
understand the signals.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Symptoms as signals. I love that because you see whippen
that are over forty. So we got these re appeal
community people out here. You know, you lose value after
you're twenty seven years old, and by the time you're
thirty and thirty five.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
You should be on clears, on the clearance rack. You
should be at the goodwheel.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
All the things that I hear out here on Beyonce's Internet, okay,
all the things I hear, but you have a totally
different outlook when we talk about bringing children into the
world because you're there are so many women that you
see that are over forty years old. Some of your
your highest success rates are with women who are over
forty yep. So there is no clock.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
Yeah, no, there's not.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
There's society that sucks in that sense to tell women
that they're you know, if you are ovulating, if you're
having a bleed every single month, you can get pregnant.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
There's that's a man. That's what your body's telling you.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
It's saying you still have the energy, you still have
the vitality, you can still get pregnant. And so you know,
we tell women that there's you know, thirty five is geriatric.
I just want to punch people when they say that,
especially practitioners, thirty five is not it's not geriatric. We
have women that are choosing careers and that's okay. You
can have a career and then you can you can
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become a parent too. And to be totally honest, I
think you hit the nail on the head. I have
twenty six year olds who are like, my ovaries are
going to leave me next month if I'm not pregnant.
I have to be pregnant now. It's my moms who
are thirty eight to forty two that are like, they're
just at a different level of their I mean, they're
just more calm about the situation. They're more focused, they're
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ready for it. And sometimes the career, yes, it's important too,
and you can have all of it.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
I mean, life just changes after forty. I am so.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Glad that that Lord, you did not drop the stork,
didn't drop a baby over here, because I was not
equipped right mentally the preparation, you know, the knowledge that
I had, You know that I'm able to have now.
So when we talk about women over forty, you know,
because I told you off camera, I follow a woman
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who got pregnant for the first time at forty seven
years old. Had her baby, is living her best life,
is even thinking about possibly having another child. What do
you say to those women who feel like, Okay, time
is running out?
Speaker 4 (36:48):
What do I need to do?
Speaker 1 (36:49):
How do I best set myself up to conceive, you know,
with optimal health?
Speaker 2 (36:54):
Yeah, I would tell them you're not running out of time.
First thing is that you have consistent ovulatory cycles. So
we want a very consistent cycle because that's going to
show us again that stress is low enough, nutrients are
high enough, and that your body is still has the
capacity to reproduce. So I would also tell them, you know,
understanding that those one hundred and twenty day cycles, when
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you know that your egg is new every hundred and
twenty days, do the things that you want to. Just
know that health is a journey. It's not a destination.
There's not something that you should say, well, pregnancy is
my goal. No, your health is your goal because you
want to be healthy for your kids and your grandkids.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
You want to be able to be.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
A vibrant parent and grandparent, and that's where the focus
needs to be. It does not age needs to be
taken out of the entire equation. What would you do
if you were twenty six, and you were having the
same conversation, no different. And I have conversations all the
time with women who say I need to freeze my eggs.
I was told to freeze my eggs. I'm thirty six,
I haven't gotten married yet. I don't know what to do.
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And you know, the same thing I tell them is
your thirty six and you've got a lot of time
you can improve the quality of your eggs, because the
quality of health of your eggs right now might be
less healthy than a healthy pregnancy at forty. You know,
you can work on your health and you could really
start to optimize your workouts and your nutrition and your
nervous system, your stress response, and you could have a
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significantly higher quality pregnancy at forty than you did at
thirty six.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
I love that because so many people feel this stress
and they feel like because I've even said it to myself,
you know, I've said it multiple times. My mother constantly
reminds me, you don't need to say that. Brandy Tammeron
Hall had a baby at forty eight years old, and
I'm like Marcia, I am at this big age because
my mom's same as Marcia. She supposed it the same
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way as yours, Doctor Shaeffer. I told you, you know,
I'm like Marcia, I am at this big age. You know,
I'm going to be forty three years old, and my
mother keeps telling me, like, Brandy, you children can still.
Speaker 4 (38:52):
Be an option for you.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
I mean, my mom was over fifty years well over
fifty years old, still having a cycle, you know. So
I know that even when I look at my mother,
you know that it doesn't the future isn't bleak right, right.
But I mean I've told myself that so many times, like, well,
I'm at this big age, and so I mean, if
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it doesn't happen, you know, And you're like, you don't
have to freeze your eggs, you don't have to harvest
your eggs, because that's been a conversation too that so
many of us have had, Like, well, I didn't freeze
my eggs at thirty five, so now I got these
dustball eggs up in here, babe, rattling around, and you're like,
that's not the case, not at all.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
Yeah, your eggs, your eggs are the quality of your
health for the last one hundred and twenty days. So
if you look back over the last hundred and twenty
days and say, oh, this has been Yeah, this has
been a good season. It's time to if you want
a baby, that would be time to say, yeah, I'd
be good having a baby right now, because a lot
of times, either women I feel like there's either this
fear of like I'm too older age or I can't
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tell you how many women have said my last pregnancy,
I was in bed the entire I was so sick,
I had severe morning sickness.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
I can't do that again. I cannot do that again.
So I am good with one and done.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
And then I say, and there's options, and you don't
have to that doesn't have to be a reality for
another pregnancy. Just because it happened when one pregnancy does
not mean it will happen in another.
Speaker 4 (40:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
I mean there is a lot of fear around around
birthying children and bringing children into the world. I mean,
we look at the mortality rates, especially with black women,
bring extremely high. What are you seeing as far is
there being a difference. I know we talked about this.
You said the studies really aren't there as far as
the difference between black women and white women and how
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we conceive and all those things, Right.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
Yep, other than maternal mortality, which yeah, we do know
that there is definitely a discrepancy.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
I feel that.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
I mean, it took until twenty seventeen to put a
box on the death certificate to say.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
This woman was pregnant.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
Yeah, so I mean we haven't even been able to
track it because we haven't been measuring it.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
And how do you change what you don't measure.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
So our standards of you know, even even the gold standard,
which is the research right and gold standard is great,
and it's all focused on.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
Sell a drug, sell a procedure.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
It's bought in that sense, and so you're not looking
at true physiology research because organic broccoli farmers just really
don't care about publishing research. And that's where we're starting
to do case reviews and case files that we're researching,
or we're publishing our research from all of our case
studies because we've got the biometrics, we've got the lab work,
we've got you know, all of the stuff that to say,
these are the outcomes that we're doing, so we can
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improve maternal outcomes, we can improve pregnancy outcomes, and ultimately
we can change the health of this next generation by
by setting their setting their bar higher than what their
parents would have given them otherwise.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
Yeah, I want you to go back because when we
talk about setting our children up for success, there has
been a lot of conversation that is coming out now
when we look at chill who have been conceived via
IVF or if these children have been conceived naturally. Yes,
what is that conversation that people are having right now?
Speaker 2 (42:09):
So the kids that are born y IVF, what the
research is showing is that they have higher rates of
brain tumors and other leukemias or other other cancers, so
blood cancers like leukemia, and mom is at higher risk
for cancer for up to fifteen years. So I think
her cancer risk for breast cancer is doubled for fifteen years. Wow,
she goes through all those hormones and the guys, prostate
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cancer is a big one from the fertility drugs, especially clomid.
And Yeah, that's not the conversation that they that they're
having enough, because all of the couples that I've talked
to they have said, yeah, that's it's not going to
be me though, I'm not going to be one of
those women that get diagnosed with cancer. And it's because
they want the baby so bad, and so I think
we need to change the conversation to it's not about
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the baby. I don't not a single couple when I'm
sitting asking them, hey, why do you want to be
a parent, Nobody says I just want to be pregnant,
you know. They say I want to create traditions and
memories and I want a child, you know, to have
men sit in my office and tell me, well, I
would like to be able to give unconditional love because
I've never received it. And you know, you see these
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guys that just their heart is broken open and they
want so much, but society has said, you know, you're
you're not someone who needs to do fertility stuff.
Speaker 3 (43:22):
It's all her. And you know, they want to partner.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
They want to be in a partnership, and it's an amazing,
amazing experience when.
Speaker 3 (43:30):
They do that.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
Okay, So this risk of IVF, how it increases cancer.
I mean, so many women, I have so many friends,
thirty forty thousand dollars into the process.
Speaker 4 (43:43):
Oh yeah, and you're almost paying for your death.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
Yeah, and it's only a thirty percent success rate, So
you're paying a lot of money. And and you know,
nobody wants to be that jerk that after a baby
is diagnosed with a brain tumor, wants to go into well,
how are they conceived?
Speaker 3 (44:02):
After they were diagnosed with the leukemia? How are they conceived.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
It's not that I'm not saying it because I want
to be mean. I'm saying it because if we can't
have the conversation that matters, how do things change? If
we can't start questioning what these methods are doing, how
do we actually change things? And yeah, it's a lot
higher than we should expect. The American Journal of Human
Genetics actually said that the cancer is born to or
cancers in children born to parents who undergo fertility treatment
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is such a higher rate that we need to be
doing more research into it. But I mean, if you
think about it, like you want to look at the
energetics of fertility. The egg has pheromones that it sends
out to track sperm. If it doesn't like sperm, it
makes the sperm turn away. The sperm cannot even come
to the egg, so the egg chooses the sperm that
gets to fertilize it. When we do IVF, you cut
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the tail off the sperm, you inject it into the
middle of an egg.
Speaker 3 (44:49):
You chose the egg, you chose the sperm.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
What if your body was not even wanting to choose that,
and we're now creating a completely different.
Speaker 3 (45:00):
Lack of choice.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
I guess you should say, by from the egg to
choose the sperm.
Speaker 4 (45:04):
That is so good.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
I have never even heard that put like that. That
is so good because there is when we talk about
like how God has designed us and created us to
be these vessels, these life giving forces. We have so
much power, and we've relinquished so much of the power
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to the medical system.
Speaker 4 (45:28):
Yep, yep.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
And that that's the whole idea behind the genetic determinism.
Speaker 3 (45:32):
Right back in two thousand and they said genes caused disease. Well,
and then we learned that genes don't cause disease.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
That started a whole different conversation, but the medical system
continued genetic determinism. They continued that that central dogma and
understanding that you know, this is how it is because
if genetic determinism was real, if your genes caused disease,
then you need a rescuer, You need someone to save you.
And it's that idea that like disconnect from your body,
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because somebody outside of you is smarter than who you
are and what you can provide. I'm not saying every
person has every single answer. Sometimes it's another person to
pose a question that makes you say, oh, I.
Speaker 3 (46:13):
Never thought of it that way, but what about this?
Speaker 2 (46:15):
And that starts this dialogue that you get to learn
more about yourself as you have, in my opinion, the
right practitioner to ask the questions to bring forward some
different perspectives and how you think about healing.
Speaker 1 (46:26):
I mean, I'm so glad you brought that up because
when I was prepping for this one percent, yeah, one
percent of disease is determined by genes, and that's determined
at birth.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
Correct, that's going to be le your cystic fibrosis, tay
sex Down syndrome. I mean, these are things that you
are born with it, and so I tell people, you know,
if you're born with it, it's genetic.
Speaker 3 (46:46):
If you're not born.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
With it, So like high blood pressure, diabetes, insulin issues
in general, the vast majority of things are epigenetics. So
they're they're influenced by your environment, they're influenced by your habits,
and so you're not a victim of your genes. You've
got this complete opportunity to change everything, change the expression
of health. They've done cancer studies where they've done plant
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based diets with people and they've turned off I think
forty three or changed the expression of forty three cancer
causing cancer causing genes. But we don't have cancer causing genes.
But that's in the literature. They're going to say that,
because again, if God created us, I can't imagine in
all of our glory to be created. Our creator would say, yeah,
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let's line these ones with chronic illness. That sounds like
a really evolutionary smart thing to do.
Speaker 3 (47:34):
It just wouldn't happen.
Speaker 2 (47:35):
And so you know, but when we look at the
pharmaceutical industry and the diagnosis codes and everything and how
they can build, it makes a lot of sense as
to why they'd want to turn that into a business.
Speaker 1 (47:47):
I mean, here's what I heard you say, and this
is not this is Brandy saying. Is this didn't come
out your mouth. We don't have cancer causing genes. We
have cancer causing choices. Absolutely, that's what I heard you say. Absolutely,
it's a choice, choices, And I think that people have
to understand that they have a choice, and then they
can choose again yep.
Speaker 4 (48:07):
Yeah, we can choose a different outcome.
Speaker 3 (48:09):
Yep, yep. And that's the beauty of epigenetics. It's not
about chasing after your past.
Speaker 2 (48:14):
It's about making a conscious choice in the present moment
to say things are going to be different and I'm
in control of that.
Speaker 3 (48:21):
And that's that's the power of epigenetics.
Speaker 1 (48:25):
Okay, I feel like I'm so excited to have this
conversation and I know that for the people who are
listening to this, they are gonna walk away with They're
going to be armed and equipped with so much more
vital information to transform their lives. Because there's so many
people who have been struggling for such a long time
and nobody's given them a license, and no one's given
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them the permission slip to see it a different way.
And that's what I think your work is, what you're doing.
Speaker 3 (48:51):
Yeah, I'm hoping.
Speaker 2 (48:52):
I'm hoping to return power back into the individual that
I'm standing in front of. Instead of saying I'm I'm
the hero, I'm the one who can dictate everything. I
want to be a guide and I've wanted to be
a guide since I got into healthcare. I have never
wanted to say I'm smarter than you, I know better answers.
I just no more questions, and I know physiology different,
So that's going to cause me to ask different questions.
Speaker 1 (49:15):
What is the question that women and men who are
looking to conceive in this season, what's that question they
should be asking their health care provider?
Speaker 3 (49:25):
Asking their health care provider.
Speaker 2 (49:28):
Oh, that's a great question, because they're not very good
at creating health I would say, asking their health care provider,
what measures can I do now to ensure that I'm
going to have a high quality pregnancy and that my
baby is going to be as healthy as they possibly
can be. It's going to be a challenging question, though,
because medicine at its core is intended to treat symptoms
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and find problems, right, and you're always going to find
a problem if you're searching for one, and if you
get paid to find problems, you're going to.
Speaker 3 (49:59):
Search and search and search.
Speaker 2 (50:00):
And that's where people are just going to come up
with different things to try to cause the problem or
will not cause the problem, but find it. Yeah, are
you from Ayuth the Flexnery report? No, so the Flextionnary
Report was written in nineteen ten by Abraham Flexner. He
was a school teacher, and basically, if you've ever wondered,
you know, hey, my doctor, I'm this new supplement, this
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new way of eating. I'm going to ask my doctor,
because my doctor should know if this is good or
if this is bad. I hear this from people all
the time. They're like, well, if my doctor would have
known about that, they would have obviously told me. The
Flextionnary Report explains why that's not exactly true. So nineteen ten,
Abraham Flexner writes this report to basically create.
Speaker 3 (50:41):
A standard for the medical system.
Speaker 2 (50:43):
He partnered with the Carnegie and Rockefellers and they basically said,
we will accredit your schools, we will do everything necessary
if you use our drugs and surgery.
Speaker 3 (50:52):
Now, the drugs that they were using.
Speaker 2 (50:53):
Were byproducts of the coaltar and petroleum that the Rockefellers
had because there weren't a lot of cars in nineteen ten,
so they found the gloyd or the healing component of
the plant, put that into a capsule. It's called pharmachea,
which is actually the term underneath pharmachia is sorcery and witchcraft,
which I find quite hilarious.
Speaker 3 (51:11):
And they now have these pills.
Speaker 2 (51:14):
And they tried to sell it to doctor at nineteen ten,
I mean doctor was everything like it was anything, and
they tried to sell it to the doctors and they said.
Speaker 3 (51:21):
That is insane. I have a plant, why would I
need a pill?
Speaker 2 (51:25):
And so they accredited the schools, built the colleges and said,
as long as you use our drugs and our surgeries,
we will continue to accredit you. And at that time,
Midwiffery decreased by like eighty percent. All of the other
holistic healing arts started to decrease, and it's because of
the Flextionnary report. The word quackery was actually in the
flextionnar report. So everybody who didn't do drugs and surgery
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was a quack, yeah, as of nineteen ten. And so
when you understand the history of the AMA and how
all of that started. The doctors don't give you nutrition
suggestions because they can't. It's literally not in their core curriculum.
And it's not theirs. It's not to to bash medicine,
it's just that is their curriculum. They're going to save
my leg and my body if I break my leg
or if I get in a car accident. I want
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you to be the best at what you can be.
You are not the best at creating health. That is
not medicine's job.
Speaker 3 (52:13):
It never was.
Speaker 4 (52:14):
It's not a job to create health.
Speaker 1 (52:17):
When we are pregnant and we conceive, and we are
we are on that journey. Are there things that you
would tell people to stay away from because there's a
lot of shots, there's a lot of things that they
tell people to get. Yeah, is there something that you
would say, I might think twice about that.
Speaker 2 (52:34):
Well, I would ask for the safety studies for any
vaccines in pregnancy or any shots in pregnancy.
Speaker 3 (52:40):
They don't exist, so that's an easy answer.
Speaker 2 (52:43):
But yeah, I mean I would say stay away from
the stuff that if you wouldn't do it outside of pregnancy,
don't do it in pregnancy.
Speaker 4 (52:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:53):
But yeah, a lot of a lot of the shots,
a lot of the vaccines, there's never been any safety studies.
I mean, we're just learning now that, well some of
us are just learning now that they're finally demanding that
a placebo be used in vaccine trials and it can't
be vaccine against vaccine anymore.
Speaker 1 (53:08):
I mean, as a person who's done so much research
on holistic care and practices. I have my own opinions
when it comes to the vaccine conversation and whether or
not we need to put these children on scheduled vaccines
and all that stuff.
Speaker 4 (53:26):
I am not a proponent of it.
Speaker 1 (53:28):
As somebody who's worked in education, I see, I see
the effects of what happens when they are on those schedules,
And so is there something that you would tell parents
now about that?
Speaker 4 (53:43):
As a healthcare practitioner.
Speaker 2 (53:45):
I mean I would ask the same question, where are
the safety studies on multidose vaccines? Where are the safety
studies on this schedule that we have? I mean, you
and I are close to the same age. I was
fully vaccinated and my full vaccine schedule was twelvevaccines. Yeah,
another's seventy and that same timeframe. Yeah, So there's been
no research. There's been nothing to validate increasing dosage like
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that and changing doing multi No studies on multi dose vaccines,
which the five and ones, the four and ones, there's
no research there to say they're safe.
Speaker 1 (54:17):
I definitely think that as a child who was very sickly,
because I was a very sickly child asthmatic allergies. I mean,
I'm the only person I know who had scarlet fever
twice as a child, multiple rounds of pneumonia as a child,
always respiratory issues, bronchial infections, all of that. So I
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didn't play sports. I was not, you know, an active child,
because there was always this worry that, oh God, please,
she's gonna get winded, she's gonna need her inhaler, she's
gonna need something. And so I, you know, my own
life of a child being very sickly has turned into
the way I practice and live my life now because
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as I understand that there are some things that were
done that I had no control over as a child,
because I wasn't making those decisions that really affected my health.
And we talk about asthma, we talk about allergies. A
lot of that I believe came because I was a
highly vaccinated child.
Speaker 3 (55:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (55:16):
One antibiotic use is also very tied to as my
analogies and young kids.
Speaker 4 (55:22):
All the things.
Speaker 1 (55:23):
Yep, I was always on some sort of antibiotics, always
on some sort of medication as a child. And I think,
you know, and this is not a fault to my mom.
I think she was doing the best she knew how
to do. I think, and as a young mom, you know,
you're twenty for twenty five years old, having this child,
these twins, you know, having twins, and you know you're
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a young mom, and so of course you're looking at
the doctor like they know what they're talking about. I
think they do know, and so you take all of
the suggestions, but then you don't understand that there's a
cause and effect for everything.
Speaker 2 (55:57):
Well imagine you know, again that's the whole idea that
your body is not capable of responding appropriately. Imagine if
that conversation changed in the preconception period to how powerful
you are and how your immune system works, and you
know what that could do to change the choices that
you make for your kids because you understand things differently.
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My goal has never been to say, well, you're going
to just need to trust whatever I say. I want
to teach you not to need me. So I'd like
to teach you how the physiology works, and not in
the educated terms that I got trained in, but in
a way that you can understand it and actually be
able to apply it to your life. And so I
think we have a massive responsibility as healthcare practitioners to
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help people understand health differently, so that they can have
different questions when they're talking to their doctors, so they
can make better choices in the grocery store.
Speaker 3 (56:48):
I always I always.
Speaker 2 (56:49):
Tell my moms, you know, I'm not going to be
at the pediatrician's office with you. I might not be
at your birth most likely if you're in the hospital,
I won't be I don't get to be at all
of these life things. But I want you to remember,
because there was some conversation we had about something that
you're gonna be like, oh wait, but I remember, this
is what I wanta, this is what I want to consider.
And if you can do that, now you're getting more empowered.
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You're the one who is stepping into this different role.
And it's I mean, it's truly an education as we
learn what works best for us and our families to
make those choices.
Speaker 1 (57:18):
I mean, that's so powerful because I told you probably
one of the reasons why I probably don't have children
is I was in the room. I was in the
birthing room my sister, my twin sister, had her baby.
Speaker 4 (57:29):
Baby. I saw enough, Okay, I said.
Speaker 1 (57:31):
I don't know, I don't know, doc, okay, natural birth,
no epidural, Yeah, vaginal birth, the whole deal.
Speaker 4 (57:38):
So this was she And here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (57:41):
I at one point while when she was pregnant, I
thought I wanted to be a doula. I was like,
I think I want to help bring people, you know,
bring their babies into the world, right, And so I
remember like saying, you got to stick to your birthing plan,
you know. And of course the contractions started coming, and
at one point she was like, I think I'm just
gonna need to epidural and they came in and asked.
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They said, I said, no, you have to stick to
your brow. I got tribal music playing in the damn room.
Speaker 4 (58:06):
Dog. She was so annoyed with me. She was like, god,
that off.
Speaker 1 (58:11):
I'm like, you're about to bring your baby into the world.
I'm giving her all the affirmations and stuff, and.
Speaker 3 (58:17):
She's like, shut up, right.
Speaker 1 (58:19):
And of course she got to the point where they
were like, okay, well do you want it? And I'm like, no,
don't talk for me, like you need to speak for me.
But I remember, like, you just you can do this,
because I would. I was reading so much, you know,
so many studies so much research on what happens when
you bring your baby into the world on drugs.
Speaker 3 (58:40):
Yeah, yeah, well, and I mean even and.
Speaker 1 (58:43):
This is not this is not to you know, discount
anyone's experience because they did, because I know they'd be brandy,
you know, But there is a lot of research around
when you have the epidural.
Speaker 2 (58:56):
Yep there's oh, I mean from autism risk, there's definitely
and postpartum depression higher rates of postpartum depression with the
potocin and the epidurals. Yeah, there's definitely something there. And
I would have one percent. My first labor was twenty
nine hours and I was forty two over forty two weeks.
Speaker 3 (59:14):
I don't have babies at forty weeks.
Speaker 2 (59:16):
My body apparently didn't read the textbook and it likes
to do its own.
Speaker 4 (59:18):
Thing, like I'm coming when both of my kids, Yeah,
all away from me.
Speaker 2 (59:24):
But I had so much pain. I remember thinking I
was at transition. I was I was going to be
pushing a baby out and I was two centimeters dilated
and I was like, you've got to be kidding me.
And then I had my daughter, and she was an
unassisted home birth because she came so fast. She was
four hours and I had no pain. And before my
daughter's birth, I would have said, you have three heads
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if you would have told me that labor doesn't have
to hurt. But what I learned between my two births
was the more fear you carry into your birth, the
more it's gonna hurt. And so it's releasing that fear
because women are not inherently.
Speaker 3 (59:57):
Taught to trust birth. We're taught you die during birth.
Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
Birth is very dangerous, it's very scary, and so there's
this fear, and I believe that that makes women actually
experience more pain. And so now you can look at
birth and I had no fear with my daughter, and
I mean four hours and I was like, oh my gosh,
there's a head. And it was just it was such
a different experience, and you never would have made me
believe that before that experience.
Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
Let me tell y'all, that didn't change my mind.
Speaker 4 (01:00:24):
Baby, y'all might see me all, but forty women pregnant.
Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
Okay, listen, she didn't changed my mind today about so much.
And I think that that's the beauty of what, you know,
what we get to do, We get to choose, and
we get to choose again. Yeah, I mean the epidural
conversation I think is something. But before we go, because
I want to touch on this, I know I'm running
over my time at home birth unassisted.
Speaker 4 (01:00:50):
Is what you had with your last child?
Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
Pregnancy delivering a baby in a hospital is very different,
very and there many people who have all type of
you know, thoughts and feelings around it. They're like, I
want to be in the hospital because if something happens,
I need a doctor. I don't want to be in
my house and who won't get to me. When we
think about our grandparents' generation, we think about our great grandparents,
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nobody was delivering babies in the hospital.
Speaker 4 (01:01:18):
They was at home having the children.
Speaker 3 (01:01:19):
Everybody was at there.
Speaker 4 (01:01:20):
Yeah, yep. So what is the difference?
Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
And then what's an expectation that people can have if
they choose to have a home birth or water birth.
We have a lot of people talking about water birds.
What is the expectation that people can have?
Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
Well, so, did you see some of the research that
came out after COVID. After COVID, maternal mortality actually decreased
during COVID because more people went home to have babies.
Speaker 4 (01:01:44):
Oh wow, So we actually.
Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
Saw a change there and there has been a big
movement to move back home, finding a midwi, free team,
having a doula.
Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
I am.
Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
I mean my first labor, my son and I both
almost died, and just a very very traumatic birth. And
I still remember waking up the entire team was gone.
Speaker 3 (01:02:06):
I had no idea if my son was alive.
Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
My husband was gone with him, and it was just
the room was silent, and I looked to my side
and my dula was sitting right there.
Speaker 3 (01:02:15):
She was the one that stayed by my side the
entire time, and she.
Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
Said, your baby is alive, he's great, your husband's with
him right now. And she brought peace that transformed everything
for me. And so I am a massive proponent of
doulah's at birth. The doula has more of the support
for mom, whereas the midwife is meant more for the baby.
So some people are like, why would I need adulaf?
I have a midwife, Why would do Why do I
need a dodula if I have a husband, And I'm like,
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how many birth says he attended.
Speaker 4 (01:02:41):
Chow and let me just say, this is my brother
in law baby.
Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
We was both in there like oh, what is happening?
Speaker 4 (01:02:48):
He was like, I want to go look at the game.
Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
It was during the NBA finals, Okay, it was when
it was the year the Calves won the title.
Speaker 3 (01:02:56):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
But the DULA can advocate in ways that spouse's partners
sometimes they're too close to the situation a do look
and advocate. So you can ask your hospitals do you
allow water birth? Do you allow me to Can I
birth in the shower? Can I labor in the shower?
Do you have tubs? You can do that, And there's
also tubs that midwives can bring to your home if
you choose to do a home birth. Some of the
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hospitals are getting a lot more friendly, but what they're
calling birth centers that hospitals are not birth centers. So
having you know, one of the things that I really
push for my families is you're not having who's ever
on call. It is not the midwife on call that
you go to. It is this midwife is with you,
and this midwife is staying with you during your pregnancy.
You build a relationship and a trust with them, and
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that the hospital can't always provide that, which to me
would say birth center or home If that's something that
is important to you. So yeah, there's definitely different options
if you don't want to be on a time clock.
You know, it's interesting at if you have a premature
rupture of membranes or if you have a water leak
at twenty.
Speaker 3 (01:03:57):
Six weeks, they'll let you go up to six weeks.
Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
I was just talking with doctor Stuart Fishbeine, who has
Birthly Miracles podcast and he is amazing.
Speaker 3 (01:04:05):
He's an obie guy who does breech birth home births.
Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
He does, he's amazing, And he was saying, you know
it's six weeks, you can still be leaking waters, but
you know as soon as your water breaks, you got
eighteen hours as soon as your full term. Why the
difference and why has there not been a conversation with that.
Speaker 4 (01:04:21):
So it's just.
Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
Everything gets so fearful around birth because what most people
don't realize is when you are pregnant, the obe that
you're working with is at fault for one hundred percent
of things.
Speaker 3 (01:04:32):
When that baby's born.
Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
If that cord is cut and something happens to the baby,
it's the pediatrician's fault. If the cord is still attached
and something happens it's the obe's fault. So it's literally
a liability shift that happens when that chord gets cut,
which is you know why the whole idea of let
the cord go like, let the the placenta, let it
stop pulsing, Let the cord stop pulsing.
Speaker 3 (01:04:54):
So the baby has all of the blood.
Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
You're missing like a third of the baby's blood by
stopping that cord from pulsing and just saying nope, we
need to get this baby off right away.
Speaker 3 (01:05:02):
It's completely a liability thing. It's not a safety thing.
Speaker 1 (01:05:05):
So keeping the baby the umbilical cord connected to the
baby for an extended period of time is helpful.
Speaker 3 (01:05:12):
Absolutely. Yep.
Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
It's going to decrease jaundice. It's going to decrease I mean,
that's a baby's blood. That's how the baby's been filtering
its blood is through that placenta. So let the baby
have the blood and let that cord stop pulsing, let
it go white.
Speaker 4 (01:05:26):
There is so much I know that we can talk about.
Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
I feel like we need to do another class or something,
especially for moms.
Speaker 4 (01:05:33):
I think we just need to do conception.
Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
Okay, for people who really want to dive a little
deeper before you get out of here, though, one word
you are committed to in this season of your life.
Speaker 3 (01:05:47):
Vulnerability.
Speaker 4 (01:05:51):
I think you gotta be doing this work.
Speaker 3 (01:05:53):
Yeah, it's been scary.
Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
I've been very protected in my little bubble for the
last fifteen years. And actually getting out in talking about
this and helping people understand that they do have options.
It's scary and it's a I just hope that people
see my heart in it and that i'm My intent
has nothing to do with an agenda. It has everything
to do with I want these families together. I want
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these moms to enjoy their babies. I don't want them
to face what I had to face.
Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
Yeah, vulnerability, Doctor Marsha Schaeffer, What a wonderful, enlightening conversation.
This has been so good. Bought Empowered Talks another good
one for the books. If you are looking to conceive
in this season, baby, it's going to require some things
from you. I hope you share this with somebody who
needs this in their life. Until next time you, guys,
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I'm your girl. Brandy Harvey eat well, give a damn
move your body every single day.
Speaker 4 (01:06:44):
Peace,
By the year twenty forty five, sperm counts will be zero.
One in four couples are suffering with infertility.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
When sperm and egg come together, there's a certain amount
of health that dad brought, There's a certain amount of
health that mom brought, and that is now frozen in time,
and that's the starting point for this baby. That energy
that each parent brings to the moment of conception, that
energy stays with the baby for its entire life.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
When we think about myths that we have believed about fertility,
so many women feel they're like, well, something's wrong with me,
but there is a high chance of probability that it
might be yo.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Maa more than not at this point.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
And when we talk about mis health, is that testosterone?
Speaker 4 (00:39):
What are the causes?
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Like, what are you saying in your studies, some of
your highest success rates are with women who are over
forty So there is no clock.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Yep, No, there's not kids that are born y IVF.
What the research is showing is that they have higher
rates of brain tumors.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
And other leukemias.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Think about it, like, the egg has pheromones that it
sends out to track sperm if it doesn't like sperm.
It makes the sperm turn away when we do IVF.
You chose the egg, you chose the sperm. What if
your body was not even wanting to choose that? All
cancer is are hormonal at their core. If you are
dealing with cancer, you're also dealing with infertility. Could infertility
be a very early warning sign of potential cancer diagnosis
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down the road? There's another side of the fertility story
that I think is not discussed enough. So when women
are on birth control are actually attracted to a different
type of mail, then they, oh.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Let's do it.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
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the surface. We dive deep into the lives of some
of the world's most influential change makers. I'm your host,
Brandy Harvey. Y'all, we got a good one today. I
found her on the internet talking about sperm. I said, well,
she got to come and sit in the seat. Doctor
Marcia Shaffer is a first generation chiropractor and a holistic
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health practitioner. As a founder of the Shaper Protocol, Doctor
Shaeffer has created an evidence inform protocol for optimal epigenic
health expression. Her clinic is a health care ministry and
it's the first of its kind in Wisconsin, providing the
best fertility and preconception care. Her method is responsible for
birthing over one hundred babies in her clinic alone. Marcia
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is passionate about changing the tides in the reproductive world
because she believes there is so much more to becoming
pregnant than just having a child.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
Bought in Power's Talks.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Welcome wife, mother, chiropractor and holistic wellness practitioner doctor Marcia
Shaeffer to the show.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
I'm so glad you're here. We shook the nerves off,
y'all listen. She said, Brandy, I don't know, I say
some stuff that's not the norm, And I said, that's
why you're here, because we're gonna talk about some things
that we don't normally talk about when it comes to
fertility and birthing children and becoming parents, not just for women,
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because so much your practice is centered around preparing fathers
and dads to become to get this parent journey going right. Absolutely, Yeah,
it takes two every time. Yeah, it takes two. You
talk about the energy of conception, and I kind of
want to start there. Before we go into all the
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crisis around the fertility crisis around the world, because it
says that we are in a fertility crisis. I want
you to talk about when we're looking to conceive and
have children, the energy that starts before you even get
in the bedroom.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Yeah, so each parent brings the specific amount of energy.
So quim physics is going to understand we all vibrate
at a certain frequency. Imagine the difference of when people
start dating, right, there's so much energy, there's so much excitement.
When they're first married, there's that energy and excitement, and
then they want to have a baby, and a month passes,
two months, past, five months, a year, and all of
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a sudden, it's like, well it's the seventeenth I'm ovulating today,
let's go, you know. And that energy that each parent
brings to the moment of conception, that energy stays with
the baby for its entire life.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
When I heard you say that, I was like, Oh,
I totally can believe that that that energy is gonna
stay with the baby throughout its entire life.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
How Yeah, So it's like that moment in time when
sperm and egg come together, that's where the epigenetic work
comes in right. So there's a certain amount of health
that dad brought, there's a certain amount of health that
mom brought, and that is now frozen in time, and
that's the starting point for this baby. So I'm just
trying to elevate the starting point for those babies so
that the next generation can start easier than their parents did.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Yeah, you said there's some things we should be doing. Pregaming,
So some of us out here we pregame it wrong.
Some of y'all taking shots to pre game. Y'all over
here pregaming for the bedroom. And you're saying it's starting
one hundred and twenty days before you even jump in
the bed. One hundred and twenty days. You need to
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be doing some stuff.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Yep. Yeah, minimum one hundred and twenty.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
So the egg cycle, we're not born with all the
eggs that we're ever going to have. That it was
disproven in two thousand and four, but unfortunately people still
believe it.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
Yeah we do.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Yeah, it's still told and that needs to be brought
to light that it's not that we're born with all
of our eggs, but over that one hundred and twenty
day cycle from what's called a primordial follicle. So basically,
the egg is in a very dormant state. It goes
to an active state in one hundred and twenty days.
So every egg cycle, you could say, is a chance
to have a healthier, more vibrant egg to bring to
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the game. So instead of you know, I need to
be pregnant this month, okay, well my egg is one
month healthier.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
I've got a healthier egg.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
And sperm takes ninety days, so we have new sperm
every ninety days. So that's why I work with couples
for a year ideally, but minimally one hundred and twenty
days prior to conception.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
Wow, I mean, what's so good about this?
Speaker 1 (05:52):
And you said that there are some things that you
need to do when you're talking about conceiving and being
ready for conception. First thing, get prepared. The second thing,
get nourished, Get focused is the third, and the fourth
is to affirm. So when we talk about getting prepared,
what does that look like Because there's a lot of
studies to saying stop to drinking, work out, you know,
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all the get you get the right food in your body.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Yep, and that's all important, and so a lot of
the things that I work with couples. There is some
supplementation that we work with, but it's getting I mean,
if there was one thing that I was to say
all couples should do, it should be that they're getting
metabolically flexible.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
That is such a.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Vital thing for sperm health, for egg health, and for
the epigenetic expression of the next generation. And so that's
that's not just a food thing, because I often tell
people what you tell yourself about the chocolate cake is
going to kill you faster than the chocolate cake will
because a lot of times, you know, if you look
at a food and you say, oh my gosh, that's toxic,
it's got all this stuff in it, or if you're like, well,
that's going to nourish my body. I'm not saying chocolate
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cake nourishes your body, but.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
You know, people had to draw through right now, do
you know what I'm thinking? That this is healthy?
Speaker 3 (07:03):
It is that right right right?
Speaker 2 (07:04):
And so but that attitude of you know, we're seeing
in the holistic health world people are so scared of
everything now and there you either believe that innate intelligence
is real and that our bodies are adaptable and responsive
and self healing, self regulating which they are.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
But we've given our power out.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
We've given our power to doctors and other people to say, well,
I know what's best for you. The best practitioners are
going to return you to your own body and say
what do you think is going on? And so that's
part of the preparation because I don't give a specific diet.
I don't tell people this is exactly how you need
to eat because different situations require different needs. You know,
if I have a marathon or I'm going to respond
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very differently with how they should be getting their goals
in versus you know, someone who's not working out at all,
we need to get them moving. But yeah, so that's
a lot of the preparation is how you're choosing to
check in with yourself and how you're choosing to nourish
your body, mind, body and soul through food, through thought process,
through how do you do you move because you have
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to go work out? Or do you move because you
know that it's going to fire your brain like it's
it's driving your brain, it's helping you make better choices
during the day.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
That's really the benefit, I.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Mean metabolic flexibility.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
You talked about fats you've talked about carbohydrates because there
are some people like, well, do I have to get
I have to give up meat to get pregnant? Do
I have to give up carbs to get pregnant? What
do I need to do? You're saying the biggest thing
you're gonna have to do is get rid of to stress.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
That's what's keeping keeping the problems at the top of
the surface, right, Yep.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
It's rarely.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
I don't know anyone who gets home after a long
day of work and they open the refrigerator and they say,
what do I feel like eating? Right, everybody says what
do I feel like eating? It's not what's going to
nourish my body today. You know, they're eating their emotions.
And so getting back and check with yourself and understanding,
I've had a really stressful day. How do I want
to best respond to that. Maybe I should go for
a walk tonight before dinner. Maybe I should get my
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system reset before I'm eating, because I'm gonna make better
food choices, and that better food choice is ultimately gonna
lead to a healthier system.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
Yeah, a healthier system.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
No one party is more responsible than the other.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
So the woman is not more.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Responsible in this fertility journey, and the man is not
less responsible. They are equally as responsible when they come
to the table to conceive this child. Correct, absolutely, Yeah,
or the table or the bed or wherever y'all gonna be.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Some of y'all on the table, baby, all right now,
some of y'all on the table. Listen.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
But so much when we think about all the things
that have been the myst that we have believed about fertility,
so much of that onus over the years has been
placed on women. I mean, I've had women sit in
the seat, you know, Keanu Watson. I'll reference her interview.
She talked about going through IVF and then she gets
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on the zoom call with the doctor and they're like,
it's not you, it's your husband, you know. And so
so many women feel this pressure because they're like, well,
something's wrong with me, but there is a high chance
of probability that it might be your man that is
the problem more.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Than not at this point, Yeah, because I'm finding, you know,
in three out of four pregnancies that are lost in
the first twelve weeks.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
There's chromosomal abnormalities.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
And it's been tied back to more chromosomal More chromosomal
abnormalities are found in sperm than egg, and so the
male could be actually the reason that those losses are
happening in the first twelve weeks. There's also a difference.
In the first twelve weeks, you have something called trophileblastic nutrition,
and the egg is not actually getting mom's blood supply.
The egg repeated trophiblastic nutrition, trople.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
Blastic, trophile blastic YEP.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
So that's when the egg all of the major divisions
are happening. Right when that the conception happened, the egg
starts the process of burrowing into the lining to build
the placenta and build the umbilical cord and do all
of that process. At twelve weeks, the blood supply shifts
over to mom. So if we're having a loss in
the first twelve weeks, I found it more tied to
dad than mom. But how many women are told don't
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talk about your pregnancy for twelve weeks because it's common
to have losses, or you need to go through fertility
treatment or IVF because you've had all of these multiple
miscarriages within the first twelve weeks, and then you're not
testing the guys, or they're doing a semen analysis, which
is a horrible measure of what we should actually be
looking at for fertility, and then they have no idea
why it's not happening and why the moms are so
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sick during pregnancy and why the kids have tongue ties
and they have all of these other issues. Well, it's
because we're not talking about health as a sign or
I'm sorry, fertility is a sign of health. We're talking
about fertility as I need a baby, and the baby
should be the effect of the work. The pregnancy should
be the effect, not the goal.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
Hmm.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
We got to dive into this because this is the
reason why I found you.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
I saw you speaking on a panel.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
You had this viral clip that, when I mean, went
wild over the internet, and I feel like since I've
seen that clips, so much more conversation has been coming
out around sperm heuth seven health and men and the
role that they play in fertility. I want you to
dive deeper in this because the statistics says one in
four couples are suffering with infertility and having trouble getting pregnant.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
And when we talk about men's health, is.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
That testosterone is that when we talk about sparm health,
what are the causes?
Speaker 4 (12:28):
Like, what are you saying in your studies?
Speaker 2 (12:30):
So again, the major thing with men is also going
to be insulent response. And it always, it always made
me question things when we look at the guys and
we say, okay, what are your jobs. You're the electricians,
you're the carpenters, so you're the people working around chemicals,
you're working around more VOCs and the plastics, and yet
you know you're not someone that we should be looking
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at just as equally as we're looking at women. I'm
not saying this is I don't mean to sound like
it's all male, but what I'm saying is women of
care this burden for a very very long time. And
a lot from that, from that clip on TikTok that
went viral, so many women said, wow, this I'm taking
a weight is taken off my shoulders because it wasn't
just me, and I constantly blame myself and I have
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zero interest in blame. I don't want to say it's
your fault, it's you know, it's his fault, it's her fault.
There's a shared responsibility, and that's an opportunity and if
your child, your future children are the goal that you
have to say, how can we be our best for them?
It starts before they're born, It starts before the pregnancy happens.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
And so many of our guys.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Have felt, you know, especially if they've been through the
fertility clinics, which a lot of them have been through
the fertility clinics.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Before they find me.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
They've said, yeah, I feel like I'm kind of used
for one thing, and then I'm kind of shoved off
to the side and now every all the focus is
on her and they don't even have that connection to
their child of like, what does it mean to be
a dad because they're shoved to the side and basically
your your job is done. And yeah, that's not.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
True at all.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
So go back to the insulin resistance because some people
in our audience may not even understand what does that mean?
Why how is the body responding when you're insulin resistant?
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Yeah, so insulin resistant.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
I like to use the analogy of your cell should
be like this jelly blob, right, so you should your
cell should be very flexible.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
If you are insulin resistant, you've got like a dodgeball
for a cell, right, So stuff.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Can't get in and out of the cell, and you
can't move hormones properly. Your body puts a lot of
inflammation out, so insulin is And that's where a lot
of my work came back into stress and not being
about the food, because in my own journey, I had
to ask the question, you know, why did some people
heal and others did not? Why didn't all of us
have the same response if this is what we chose
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to do. And it came down to the stress response,
and that stress the cortisol drives insulin. So you can't
just chase insulin, which is the driver of every single
hormone in your system, without addressing cortisol and the stress response.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Yeah, the stress was Here's statistic that's out here right now,
twenty forty five. By the year twenty forty five, sperm
counts will be zero. Sperm counts have dropped fifty percent
in fifty years. Estrogen is challenging the world. What does
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that mean when it comes to fertility and sperm health?
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Oh, that's huge.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
So Shanna Swan has a book called Countdown, that's where
that stats.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
I saw her. Yeah, yeah, I watch one of our interviews. Yeah,
to preference yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
So she is talking about that with the chemicals too.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
But yeah, the sperm counts, she's saying it's a species
wide epidemic, like this is not something that is just
slowly coming on. This has been progressively getting worse. Sperm
counts have declined, the decline and sperm has doubled since
twenty eleven every single year, so we're seeing an even
higher rate of decline since twenty eleven. And so yeah,
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the numbers are the numbers are not good.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
So is this what automy? I want princess treatment out.
And I'll just add to doc it was just barnut. Well,
you think about what estrogen does.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
So if there was a Teeter totter, and I'm oversimplifying
this for hormone structure, but if there was a Teeter
totter and insulin was in the middle, if women are
insulin resistant, their estrogen will turn into testosterone, which is
how you deal with pcos, and you've.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Got androgen dominance. Men with high insulin.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Are going to have that testosterone and it's going to
change into estrogen, which is where you get the men
who are having more female like characteristics. So you've got
this imbalance and the driver of it is insulin.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Yeah, I mean I feel like even when I look
at this younger generation, so many of the younger guys
they have breast and I think that this is a
contributing factor to that.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
I think we have had the longest standing untested research.
I guess you could call it by introducing birth control
back in the nineteen sixties, because all of these numbers,
even the traditional Seaman analysis that's where a lot of
things went with that video. The Seman analysis comes from
a two thousand and nine study that looked at two
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thousand men that basically said can you get your partner
pregnant in twelve months? And they took their numbers from
that study of two thousand men and said these are
Semen parameters. And so, first off, that was a two
thousand and nine study. It's twenty twenty five, and we
know that they've been declining. But they put their acceptable limit,
the World Health Organization put at the fifth percentile. So
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all of these Seman analysis when the guys here you're passing,
that's at the fifth percentile.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
So you're already below average, super below average.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Yep, you were deemed infertile.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Like in the nineteen sixties, if you were under one
hundred and sixteen million per mil for your concentration, you
were deemed infertile. And now the standard is fifteen million
per mil.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
So what do we have to do?
Speaker 1 (17:53):
You talked about you talk about the metabolic flexibility, You
talk about supplements in your practice, and you talk about
the stress and how we manage it and how we
can eliminate it. What's the first thing a man needs
to do if they want to conceive a child and
they want to come into this with optimal health.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
So I know that I'm biased, but I would say
start chiropractic care, because when your nervous system works better,
everything works better when your stress response can be better regulated.
I find often people don't make bad food choices because
they just want to make bad food choices. It's typically
they're stressed out and this is something and you can
almost every time tie it back to their childhood that
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brought them peace or they felt.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Good right as little kids.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
If you do good at school, if you do good
on your homework, you get ice cream. If you don't
do your homework, you don't get ice cream.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
If you read, you get a personal pampizza. The millennials,
this is what we.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Grew up with, and then you turn into an adult
and nobody regulates that. And so now we've got all
of these like grown children that are like, oh, I
can do ice cream whenever I want to. And you know,
so that nervous system response is really important, and that's
one of the foundations of chiropractic care is to help
the body reorganize energy so that your nervous system can
function more optimally, which means it's an ease on your
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stress response, so it changes how your body responds to stress.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Yeah, I can totally agree with this because I told
you before we started, I have been on a chiropractive
regiment of every other week and sometimes once a week,
going to get an adjustment, right because I wait trained
so much, because I just know that spine health it
ties to everything in the body. And I told you
I hadn't had an adjustment since January and I feel
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the effects of it for sure. But I want people
because even when I ask my team this in pre production,
I said, have you ever been to the chiropractor? And
Dom said, when I got into a car accident, And
that's when most people think that you go to a
chiropractor is when you've been in some sort of accident.
So I want you to help people like, how can
they start to implement this as a part of a
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practice to their health care plan.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
So, yeah, there's two types of chiropractic. There's the chiropractic
that's neck pain and back pain. That's absolutely a great
use for chiropractic. But then there's another side of chiropractic.
And where I see the benefit of chiropractic is like
you want to go to the bank just to take
the pens, Right, You're going to the bank because you're
gonna invest. You're gonna have your money there. Your health
is the same. Health is the new wealth. And so
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once you're out of pain, let's say your bank account
is zero. Now what do you want to do. Do
you want to invest in that health of your system? Well,
that's where you.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Continue chiropractic care.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Because every time you get adjusted, it's just like every
time a woman ovulates. Right, every time you ovulate, you
get a higher dose of progesterone for the two weeks.
That's bone health, that's breast health, that's I mean overall
all form mortality decreases. When we've got regular ovulatory cycles.
Your health is no different, but not ovulation for everybody.
But when your nervous system, every adjustment, your body is
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reorganizing energy, it's changing how your brain is functioning. So
when you have an opportunity to get adjusted, not because
you're in pain, but you're getting adjusted for the health
of it, it starts to rewire your brain and you
start to see neuroplasticity changes.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
So if you are looking to get pregnant in this season,
you would suggest and recommend getting with a good chiropractor.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Absolutely so. I teach for the ICPA.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
It's the International Chiropractic Pediatric Association, and the docs that
are trained by that organization can have up to two
hundred hours of postgrad training in family family wellness. So
when you have people that are focused in pregnancy, they're
not going to be the symptom chasers.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
They're not going to be there for your.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Neck pain and back pain, although they can help that too,
but they're there because they're trained and how to work
with pregnant women. They're trained and how to help support families.
If they are certified, they've taken my seminars, so they
know exactly what those suggestions are going to be, so
they're able to really help guide a different conversation when
it comes to your health.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
So the chiropractor, you would definitely suggest that.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
And then you talk about some is there something that
everyone could put in their diet or put into their
regiment that would help them increase their chances of fertility?
Speaker 2 (22:10):
So yeah, there's a few. So there's one product. Phosphatidal
coline is.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
Down, okay, san.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Again dog.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Phosphatidal coline, phosphatidol coaline correct, Okay.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
So some people work with coline, I don't.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
I mean that's great, but the body has to go
through more work to break that down to order in
order to use it. So phosphatido coline is actually exactly
how your body is going to take it in. It's
a vital part of every single cell in your body.
It's a vital part of your gut. Lining and sperm
and egg require fat. If the body doesn't have proper
levels of fat, it's gonna use cholesterol and that makes
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oxidation with the egg, with the sperm. It's not good
to use cholesterol as building blocks, but the body will
use it because that's what it's It's gonna use.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Whatever it's got.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
It's interesting between the phosphatito choline and glycans. When I
started actually tracking the outcomes of our pregnancies, our babies
stopped having tongue ties when we were starting to use that.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
And I think it comes back to the whole.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
You know, everyone's told to gain on follic acid, you know,
if you want to get pregnant, and I don't agree
with that at all. There's the folic acid turned into
folic acid.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
And folate fight.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
And I was like, if we take a physiology first
focus and we actually care about building blocks before a
B vitamin, let's look at what the neural tube. The
very first thing that's created is not created a B vitamins.
It's created from fats. So if we're making sure that
the body is already stocked, it's got good fats in
its system that are not oxidized, they're high quality fats.
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Now the body's got building blocks, it's got an opportunity
to start building properly. And I do believe that's why
a lot of our outcomes we I mean, out of
one hundred and eighty babies, one hundred and eighty one babies,
we don't have gestational diabetics. We don't have preclamptic moms.
We don't have all of these regular or normal.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
Even more me.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Nope.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
As soon as we started putting dad, I didn't always
work with the dads because I mean, this is I've
been a clinician for fifteen years, and that's where a
lot of my work has been up. Until you know,
that video went viral, a lot more publicity became, but
it wasn't until I started working with dads. We had
a mom who had three miscarriages and she started care
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her A one C, which is one of the measures
that we look at that was off. A lot of
her biometrics were she was not in a healthy state,
and so we worked with her for one hundred and
twenty days and her numbers got really, really good, and
I said.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Okay, we should work with your husband.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
And she's like, oh, he's busy, he can't make it
in and I was like okay, And she got pregnant,
and all of her pregnancies she had lost it between
six and seven weeks, and she was pregnant like hCG
levels were high to the point that we thought it
was twins, and she lost the pregnancy at eleven weeks, and.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
So I said, okay, and she said, I feel really
good about this. I've never been pregnant this long. I
think we're on the right track.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
And she got pregnant two more times, lost the pregnancies
at nine weeks and eight weeks, and her husband refused
to come in the entire time, and I ended up
releasing her from care because I was and I said,
this is directly related to him.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
And this is why I wanted you here because I
think that this is going to free so many women
when we talk about this conversation, because for so many
of us, right, so much of your worth is put
on whether or not you get married, you have children, yes,
and then can you you know, birth these children? All
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these things When it comes to relationships, it's like, oh,
she's a mom, look at her, Look at how great
she is. Right, But if we can't do that, then
it's like something's wrong with me. I'm defective. I mean
I'm not worthy? What am I doing? Why am I
not good enough? You run through all these questions in
your mind, and you're saying, dads have got to step
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up to the plate so we can get this thing
under control.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Absolutely, absolutely, there are so many women who take it
as the full ownership onto them, and I'm like, hey, ladies,
go home tonight and try to make yourself a placenta.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Good luck. You can't do it.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
We can't do it because sperm builds the placenta. We
know that paternal DNA builds the fetal side of the placenta.
So an insulin like growth factor, which is another insulin.
We want balanced insulin prior to pregnancy. That's what creates
a lot of the morning sickness issues because there's this battle.
The dad wants the baby to grow, the mom doesn't.
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I mean she does, but from a biology standpoint, there's
protection of the host, right.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
So the baby. There's this this.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Back and forth between the placenta that's saying baby grow,
baby don't grow. So that's the way if we have
metabolic flexibility, which basically is I always describe metabolic flexibility
as you know these electric cars they have and they
have gas. Right, So that's fat and carbohydrates, and your
body should be able to change back and forth between
fat and carbohydrate metabolism with no problem.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
You know, it's it's not the idea.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
That you need to be keto or that you need
to be you know, fat adapted or carb adapted. It's
that your body should be able to be flexible between
the two of them.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Okay, so we got the supplements, we got the the stress,
we got chiropractic care. What is that thing that you
would tell a man right now if he's like, look,
I want to have a baby, I want to have
a family. You know, we've been trying to conceive my
partner and I is just not happening.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
What would you tell him to do?
Speaker 3 (27:38):
So I would tell him that, I mean, it's the
same thing.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Get get adjusted, start taking your supplements, start taking care
of yourself. And you know, there's another side of the
fertility story.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
That I think is not discussed enough.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
So when women are on birth control, they're actually attracted
to a different type of male.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Then they oh, let's do it, let's do it.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Come on, come on, They're attracted to a different type
of male. So women will get off birth control and
all of a sudden will not be attracted to their
partner anymore.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
And that is more common.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
We've had divorces, We've had people who have thought, if
I'm gonna do this work, I'm gonna invest in this
and this is what I need because the baby's gonna
save our marriage. And I'm like, absolutely not. Babies don't
save marriages, and but yeah, they'll find it. And I
do believe that there's an energetic thing with couples too
sometimes when they can't get pregnant, and a lot of
women that I'll.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Talk to will say, ugh, I can't get.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Him to do anything. He won't he won't do any
of this work. And I'm like, and that's who you
want to have kids with.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
That's yeah, that's who you want to have kids.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Okay, So go back to a birth control yea, what
type of man are we typically attracted to on birth control?
And then what happens when we come off of the
birth control? Cause I will be all the way honest.
I was one of those college students, you know. I was,
you know, you go to the college, they put you
on birth control because you were sexually active in college.
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And by the time I was twenty two, I had
never done it again because my blood pressure was high.
It was taking my body through so many changes, and
so I haven't taken an oral contraceptive in years, in
over twenty years.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Yeah, So and I think that all. I mean, it's
typically you're going to be attracted to someone that the
birth control is going to override all your body's normal hormones.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
So women who think that they're on birth control to
regulate their cycles are absolutely not. But you're changing your
thyroid function, you're changing your insulin response, and that changes
actually how you perceive safety. That changes how your body
sees and views the world through based on the hormones
that you're taking. So you're going to be attracted to
the guys, and that's going to be individual based on
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each woman and what her own nervous system is telling
her what is safe, what is not safe. So but oftentimes, yeah,
you're going to deal with guys who aren't as dedicated
when you're taking birth control and you're gonna deal with
You're gonna deal with a different type of guy than
the ones who are calm and ready to settle down
and like actually wanting to give you the time because
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there's a lot of safety and that can that can
be perceived as boring.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Okay, so when you've seen couples who have been on
birth control and then they've gotten off the birth what
do you see because you say as some people get divorced,
what are you seeing in this response from the woman
once he comes off the hormones.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
So I work with women in about two to three
months before they get off birth control because I want
to get their system good with the nutrients and they're
doing a lot of the things, so especially based on
understanding why they started birth control in the first place.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
So I can't tell you.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
I would say maybe one percent two percent of women
that I work with got on birth control because they
were sexually active.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
All the rest of them. I had headaches, I had acne,
I had heavy periods, and I'm like.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
That was me that it's not even the reason to
be under control. It was it was me heavy periods.
And I was like, they said, oh, you just get
on the birth control piel.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
And I was first of all horrible at it. So
maybe if there was any if you can find a
more inconsistent person with them, that was me, Yeah, yep.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
And so they're just giving it as a band aid
and they're never actually helping women. And then that doesn't
surprise me that they are dealing with fertility issues because
you're crazy periods years ago are telling us your.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Hermones are not working well.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
I mean they are working, but not optimally. And now
we're just gonna shut your entire system down with birth
control for years potentially, and then you want to have
a baby and you don't know why you can't get pregnant.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
I mean, doc, I have known women who have been
on birth control for twenty years yep. I mean since
they were nineteen and twenty years old, some of them
since they were sixteen years old, and they have that
same conversation is, Oh, I just want to regulate my cycle.
You know, I have really bad cramps, and so if
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I if I take get off the birth control, and
you're like, you are doing way more damage. This domino
effect is not just with these cramps. It's going to
come into the cramp of that food that you about
to have a baby.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
War.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Yeah, it's gonna come into everything. And that's where I mean.
The reason that I do this work was because of
my own health journey. So I feel like a lot
of people, especially the work in healthcare, that have had
a significant thing happen to them.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
It drives what they do.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
And while my journey involved getting diagnosed with cancer postpartum,
I was able to retie back into all fertility issue
or all cancers.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
I'm sorry. All cancers are hormonal at their core.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
And so if you are dealing with cancer, which is hormonal,
you're also dealing with infertility. Could infertility be a very
early warning sign of potential cancer diagnosis down the road?
Speaker 4 (32:49):
Wow?
Speaker 1 (32:50):
And I you know I and this is with all
because what form of cancer were you diagnosed with?
Speaker 2 (32:56):
The first form was thyroid and that had been tasticized
in my limp it's in lung.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
And then also melanoma, so skin cancer.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
So yeah, and that was I was three months postpartum
when that diagnosis came in, and it was through that
just desire to want to actually grow up with my son,
because they told me, you know, eight and a half
percent chance at five year survival, you're not going to
see him turn one or yeah, you're not going to
see him turn one. And that kind of changed everything,
and it started to kind of reverse research to figure
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out why did this happen, and how did this happen
and why do so many women get diagnosed with cancer
and pregnancy or early postpartum And you know, if we
actually want to quit end cancer and that's not even
that's not even to have the conversation of the babies
that get diagnosed with cancer that are going through fertility treatment. Yeah,
you know when the parents needed fertility treatment to have
the kids. So you know, ultimately, what it came to
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me was, if I want to stop cancer, it's it's
so much further upstream. We've got to stop letting people
get into this. I need to balance my hormones. We
need to understand the hormones. We need to understand why
your body's responding the way that it is, because it
is intelligently designed. We didn't you know, God didn't just
forget to make an immune system. He didn't just forget
to be like, oh, you know, you've got regulatory mechanisms.
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But we've been taught let's trust somebody outside of us.
Let's not trust ourselves. We need to trust somebody who's smarter,
who has a degree or whatever to tell us what's
going on with our body. Instead of trying to navigate
our symptoms as signals and help have somebody who can
help us navigate what those or those symptoms are, to
understand the signals.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Symptoms as signals. I love that because you see whippen
that are over forty. So we got these re appeal
community people out here. You know, you lose value after
you're twenty seven years old, and by the time you're
thirty and thirty five.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
You should be on clears, on the clearance rack. You
should be at the goodwheel.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
All the things that I hear out here on Beyonce's Internet, okay,
all the things I hear, but you have a totally
different outlook when we talk about bringing children into the
world because you're there are so many women that you
see that are over forty years old. Some of your
your highest success rates are with women who are over
forty yep. So there is no clock.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
Yeah, no, there's not.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
There's society that sucks in that sense to tell women
that they're you know, if you are ovulating, if you're
having a bleed every single month, you can get pregnant.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
There's that's a man. That's what your body's telling you.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
It's saying you still have the energy, you still have
the vitality, you can still get pregnant. And so you know,
we tell women that there's you know, thirty five is geriatric.
I just want to punch people when they say that,
especially practitioners, thirty five is not it's not geriatric. We
have women that are choosing careers and that's okay. You
can have a career and then you can you can
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become a parent too. And to be totally honest, I
think you hit the nail on the head. I have
twenty six year olds who are like, my ovaries are
going to leave me next month if I'm not pregnant.
I have to be pregnant now. It's my moms who
are thirty eight to forty two that are like, they're
just at a different level of their I mean, they're
just more calm about the situation. They're more focused, they're
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ready for it. And sometimes the career, yes, it's important too,
and you can have all of it.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
I mean, life just changes after forty. I am so.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Glad that that Lord, you did not drop the stork,
didn't drop a baby over here, because I was not
equipped right mentally the preparation, you know, the knowledge that
I had, You know that I'm able to have now.
So when we talk about women over forty, you know,
because I told you off camera, I follow a woman
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who got pregnant for the first time at forty seven
years old. Had her baby, is living her best life,
is even thinking about possibly having another child. What do
you say to those women who feel like, Okay, time
is running out?
Speaker 4 (36:48):
What do I need to do?
Speaker 1 (36:49):
How do I best set myself up to conceive, you know,
with optimal health?
Speaker 2 (36:54):
Yeah, I would tell them you're not running out of time.
First thing is that you have consistent ovulatory cycles. So
we want a very consistent cycle because that's going to
show us again that stress is low enough, nutrients are
high enough, and that your body is still has the
capacity to reproduce. So I would also tell them, you know,
understanding that those one hundred and twenty day cycles, when
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you know that your egg is new every hundred and
twenty days, do the things that you want to. Just
know that health is a journey. It's not a destination.
There's not something that you should say, well, pregnancy is
my goal. No, your health is your goal because you
want to be healthy for your kids and your grandkids.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
You want to be able to be.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
A vibrant parent and grandparent, and that's where the focus
needs to be. It does not age needs to be
taken out of the entire equation. What would you do
if you were twenty six, and you were having the
same conversation, no different. And I have conversations all the
time with women who say I need to freeze my eggs.
I was told to freeze my eggs. I'm thirty six,
I haven't gotten married yet. I don't know what to do.
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And you know, the same thing I tell them is
your thirty six and you've got a lot of time
you can improve the quality of your eggs, because the
quality of health of your eggs right now might be
less healthy than a healthy pregnancy at forty. You know,
you can work on your health and you could really
start to optimize your workouts and your nutrition and your
nervous system, your stress response, and you could have a
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significantly higher quality pregnancy at forty than you did at
thirty six.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
I love that because so many people feel this stress
and they feel like because I've even said it to myself,
you know, I've said it multiple times. My mother constantly
reminds me, you don't need to say that. Brandy Tammeron
Hall had a baby at forty eight years old, and
I'm like Marcia, I am at this big age because
my mom's same as Marcia. She supposed it the same
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way as yours, Doctor Shaeffer. I told you, you know,
I'm like Marcia, I am at this big age. You know,
I'm going to be forty three years old, and my
mother keeps telling me, like, Brandy, you children can still.
Speaker 4 (38:52):
Be an option for you.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
I mean, my mom was over fifty years well over
fifty years old, still having a cycle, you know. So
I know that even when I look at my mother,
you know that it doesn't the future isn't bleak right, right.
But I mean I've told myself that so many times, like, well,
I'm at this big age, and so I mean, if
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it doesn't happen, you know, And you're like, you don't
have to freeze your eggs, you don't have to harvest
your eggs, because that's been a conversation too that so
many of us have had, Like, well, I didn't freeze
my eggs at thirty five, so now I got these
dustball eggs up in here, babe, rattling around, and you're like,
that's not the case, not at all.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
Yeah, your eggs, your eggs are the quality of your
health for the last one hundred and twenty days. So
if you look back over the last hundred and twenty
days and say, oh, this has been Yeah, this has
been a good season. It's time to if you want
a baby, that would be time to say, yeah, I'd
be good having a baby right now, because a lot
of times, either women I feel like there's either this
fear of like I'm too older age or I can't
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tell you how many women have said my last pregnancy,
I was in bed the entire I was so sick,
I had severe morning sickness.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
I can't do that again. I cannot do that again.
So I am good with one and done.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
And then I say, and there's options, and you don't
have to that doesn't have to be a reality for
another pregnancy. Just because it happened when one pregnancy does
not mean it will happen in another.
Speaker 4 (40:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
I mean there is a lot of fear around around
birthying children and bringing children into the world. I mean,
we look at the mortality rates, especially with black women,
bring extremely high. What are you seeing as far is
there being a difference. I know we talked about this.
You said the studies really aren't there as far as
the difference between black women and white women and how
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we conceive and all those things, Right.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
Yep, other than maternal mortality, which yeah, we do know
that there is definitely a discrepancy.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
I feel that.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
I mean, it took until twenty seventeen to put a
box on the death certificate to say.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
This woman was pregnant.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
Yeah, so I mean we haven't even been able to
track it because we haven't been measuring it.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
And how do you change what you don't measure.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
So our standards of you know, even even the gold standard,
which is the research right and gold standard is great,
and it's all focused on.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
Sell a drug, sell a procedure.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
It's bought in that sense, and so you're not looking
at true physiology research because organic broccoli farmers just really
don't care about publishing research. And that's where we're starting
to do case reviews and case files that we're researching,
or we're publishing our research from all of our case
studies because we've got the biometrics, we've got the lab work,
we've got you know, all of the stuff that to say,
these are the outcomes that we're doing, so we can
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improve maternal outcomes, we can improve pregnancy outcomes, and ultimately
we can change the health of this next generation by
by setting their setting their bar higher than what their
parents would have given them otherwise.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
Yeah, I want you to go back because when we
talk about setting our children up for success, there has
been a lot of conversation that is coming out now
when we look at chill who have been conceived via
IVF or if these children have been conceived naturally. Yes,
what is that conversation that people are having right now?
Speaker 2 (42:09):
So the kids that are born y IVF, what the
research is showing is that they have higher rates of
brain tumors and other leukemias or other other cancers, so
blood cancers like leukemia, and mom is at higher risk
for cancer for up to fifteen years. So I think
her cancer risk for breast cancer is doubled for fifteen years. Wow,
she goes through all those hormones and the guys, prostate
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cancer is a big one from the fertility drugs, especially clomid.
And Yeah, that's not the conversation that they that they're
having enough, because all of the couples that I've talked
to they have said, yeah, that's it's not going to
be me though, I'm not going to be one of
those women that get diagnosed with cancer. And it's because
they want the baby so bad, and so I think
we need to change the conversation to it's not about
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the baby. I don't not a single couple when I'm
sitting asking them, hey, why do you want to be
a parent, Nobody says I just want to be pregnant,
you know. They say I want to create traditions and
memories and I want a child, you know, to have
men sit in my office and tell me, well, I
would like to be able to give unconditional love because
I've never received it. And you know, you see these
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guys that just their heart is broken open and they
want so much, but society has said, you know, you're
you're not someone who needs to do fertility stuff.
Speaker 3 (43:22):
It's all her. And you know, they want to partner.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
They want to be in a partnership, and it's an amazing,
amazing experience when.
Speaker 3 (43:30):
They do that.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
Okay, So this risk of IVF, how it increases cancer.
I mean, so many women, I have so many friends,
thirty forty thousand dollars into the process.
Speaker 4 (43:43):
Oh yeah, and you're almost paying for your death.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
Yeah, and it's only a thirty percent success rate, So
you're paying a lot of money. And and you know,
nobody wants to be that jerk that after a baby
is diagnosed with a brain tumor, wants to go into well,
how are they conceived?
Speaker 3 (44:02):
After they were diagnosed with the leukemia? How are they conceived.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
It's not that I'm not saying it because I want
to be mean. I'm saying it because if we can't
have the conversation that matters, how do things change? If
we can't start questioning what these methods are doing, how
do we actually change things? And yeah, it's a lot
higher than we should expect. The American Journal of Human
Genetics actually said that the cancer is born to or
cancers in children born to parents who undergo fertility treatment
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is such a higher rate that we need to be
doing more research into it. But I mean, if you
think about it, like you want to look at the
energetics of fertility. The egg has pheromones that it sends
out to track sperm. If it doesn't like sperm, it
makes the sperm turn away. The sperm cannot even come
to the egg, so the egg chooses the sperm that
gets to fertilize it. When we do IVF, you cut
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the tail off the sperm, you inject it into the
middle of an egg.
Speaker 3 (44:49):
You chose the egg, you chose the sperm.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
What if your body was not even wanting to choose that,
and we're now creating a completely different.
Speaker 3 (45:00):
Lack of choice.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
I guess you should say, by from the egg to
choose the sperm.
Speaker 4 (45:04):
That is so good.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
I have never even heard that put like that. That
is so good because there is when we talk about
like how God has designed us and created us to
be these vessels, these life giving forces. We have so
much power, and we've relinquished so much of the power
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to the medical system.
Speaker 4 (45:28):
Yep, yep.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
And that that's the whole idea behind the genetic determinism.
Speaker 3 (45:32):
Right back in two thousand and they said genes caused disease. Well,
and then we learned that genes don't cause disease.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
That started a whole different conversation, but the medical system
continued genetic determinism. They continued that that central dogma and
understanding that you know, this is how it is because
if genetic determinism was real, if your genes caused disease,
then you need a rescuer, You need someone to save you.
And it's that idea that like disconnect from your body,
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because somebody outside of you is smarter than who you
are and what you can provide. I'm not saying every
person has every single answer. Sometimes it's another person to
pose a question that makes you say, oh, I.
Speaker 3 (46:13):
Never thought of it that way, but what about this?
Speaker 2 (46:15):
And that starts this dialogue that you get to learn
more about yourself as you have, in my opinion, the
right practitioner to ask the questions to bring forward some
different perspectives and how you think about healing.
Speaker 1 (46:26):
I mean, I'm so glad you brought that up because
when I was prepping for this one percent, yeah, one
percent of disease is determined by genes, and that's determined
at birth.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
Correct, that's going to be le your cystic fibrosis, tay
sex Down syndrome. I mean, these are things that you
are born with it, and so I tell people, you know,
if you're born with it, it's genetic.
Speaker 3 (46:46):
If you're not born.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
With it, So like high blood pressure, diabetes, insulin issues
in general, the vast majority of things are epigenetics. So
they're they're influenced by your environment, they're influenced by your habits,
and so you're not a victim of your genes. You've
got this complete opportunity to change everything, change the expression
of health. They've done cancer studies where they've done plant
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based diets with people and they've turned off I think
forty three or changed the expression of forty three cancer
causing cancer causing genes. But we don't have cancer causing genes.
But that's in the literature. They're going to say that,
because again, if God created us, I can't imagine in
all of our glory to be created. Our creator would say, yeah,
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let's line these ones with chronic illness. That sounds like
a really evolutionary smart thing to do.
Speaker 3 (47:34):
It just wouldn't happen.
Speaker 2 (47:35):
And so you know, but when we look at the
pharmaceutical industry and the diagnosis codes and everything and how
they can build, it makes a lot of sense as
to why they'd want to turn that into a business.
Speaker 1 (47:47):
I mean, here's what I heard you say, and this
is not this is Brandy saying. Is this didn't come
out your mouth. We don't have cancer causing genes. We
have cancer causing choices. Absolutely, that's what I heard you say. Absolutely,
it's a choice, choices, And I think that people have
to understand that they have a choice, and then they
can choose again yep.
Speaker 4 (48:07):
Yeah, we can choose a different outcome.
Speaker 3 (48:09):
Yep, yep. And that's the beauty of epigenetics. It's not
about chasing after your past.
Speaker 2 (48:14):
It's about making a conscious choice in the present moment
to say things are going to be different and I'm
in control of that.
Speaker 3 (48:21):
And that's that's the power of epigenetics.
Speaker 1 (48:25):
Okay, I feel like I'm so excited to have this
conversation and I know that for the people who are
listening to this, they are gonna walk away with They're
going to be armed and equipped with so much more
vital information to transform their lives. Because there's so many
people who have been struggling for such a long time
and nobody's given them a license, and no one's given
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them the permission slip to see it a different way.
And that's what I think your work is, what you're doing.
Speaker 3 (48:51):
Yeah, I'm hoping.
Speaker 2 (48:52):
I'm hoping to return power back into the individual that
I'm standing in front of. Instead of saying I'm I'm
the hero, I'm the one who can dictate everything. I
want to be a guide and I've wanted to be
a guide since I got into healthcare. I have never
wanted to say I'm smarter than you, I know better answers.
I just no more questions, and I know physiology different,
So that's going to cause me to ask different questions.
Speaker 1 (49:15):
What is the question that women and men who are
looking to conceive in this season, what's that question they
should be asking their health care provider?
Speaker 3 (49:25):
Asking their health care provider.
Speaker 2 (49:28):
Oh, that's a great question, because they're not very good
at creating health I would say, asking their health care provider,
what measures can I do now to ensure that I'm
going to have a high quality pregnancy and that my
baby is going to be as healthy as they possibly
can be. It's going to be a challenging question, though,
because medicine at its core is intended to treat symptoms
(49:52):
and find problems, right, and you're always going to find
a problem if you're searching for one, and if you
get paid to find problems, you're going to.
Speaker 3 (49:59):
Search and search and search.
Speaker 2 (50:00):
And that's where people are just going to come up
with different things to try to cause the problem or
will not cause the problem, but find it. Yeah, are
you from Ayuth the Flexnery report? No, so the Flextionnary
Report was written in nineteen ten by Abraham Flexner. He
was a school teacher, and basically, if you've ever wondered,
you know, hey, my doctor, I'm this new supplement, this
(50:21):
new way of eating. I'm going to ask my doctor,
because my doctor should know if this is good or
if this is bad. I hear this from people all
the time. They're like, well, if my doctor would have
known about that, they would have obviously told me. The
Flextionnary Report explains why that's not exactly true. So nineteen ten,
Abraham Flexner writes this report to basically create.
Speaker 3 (50:41):
A standard for the medical system.
Speaker 2 (50:43):
He partnered with the Carnegie and Rockefellers and they basically said,
we will accredit your schools, we will do everything necessary
if you use our drugs and surgery.
Speaker 3 (50:52):
Now, the drugs that they were using.
Speaker 2 (50:53):
Were byproducts of the coaltar and petroleum that the Rockefellers
had because there weren't a lot of cars in nineteen ten,
so they found the gloyd or the healing component of
the plant, put that into a capsule. It's called pharmachea,
which is actually the term underneath pharmachia is sorcery and witchcraft,
which I find quite hilarious.
Speaker 3 (51:11):
And they now have these pills.
Speaker 2 (51:14):
And they tried to sell it to doctor at nineteen ten,
I mean doctor was everything like it was anything, and
they tried to sell it to the doctors and they said.
Speaker 3 (51:21):
That is insane. I have a plant, why would I
need a pill?
Speaker 2 (51:25):
And so they accredited the schools, built the colleges and said,
as long as you use our drugs and our surgeries,
we will continue to accredit you. And at that time,
Midwiffery decreased by like eighty percent. All of the other
holistic healing arts started to decrease, and it's because of
the Flextionnary report. The word quackery was actually in the
flextionnar report. So everybody who didn't do drugs and surgery
(51:46):
was a quack, yeah, as of nineteen ten. And so
when you understand the history of the AMA and how
all of that started. The doctors don't give you nutrition
suggestions because they can't. It's literally not in their core curriculum.
And it's not theirs. It's not to to bash medicine,
it's just that is their curriculum. They're going to save
my leg and my body if I break my leg
or if I get in a car accident. I want
(52:08):
you to be the best at what you can be.
You are not the best at creating health. That is
not medicine's job.
Speaker 3 (52:13):
It never was.
Speaker 4 (52:14):
It's not a job to create health.
Speaker 1 (52:17):
When we are pregnant and we conceive, and we are
we are on that journey. Are there things that you
would tell people to stay away from because there's a
lot of shots, there's a lot of things that they
tell people to get. Yeah, is there something that you
would say, I might think twice about that.
Speaker 2 (52:34):
Well, I would ask for the safety studies for any
vaccines in pregnancy or any shots in pregnancy.
Speaker 3 (52:40):
They don't exist, so that's an easy answer.
Speaker 2 (52:43):
But yeah, I mean I would say stay away from
the stuff that if you wouldn't do it outside of pregnancy,
don't do it in pregnancy.
Speaker 4 (52:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:53):
But yeah, a lot of a lot of the shots,
a lot of the vaccines, there's never been any safety studies.
I mean, we're just learning now that, well some of
us are just learning now that they're finally demanding that
a placebo be used in vaccine trials and it can't
be vaccine against vaccine anymore.
Speaker 1 (53:08):
I mean, as a person who's done so much research
on holistic care and practices. I have my own opinions
when it comes to the vaccine conversation and whether or
not we need to put these children on scheduled vaccines
and all that stuff.
Speaker 4 (53:26):
I am not a proponent of it.
Speaker 1 (53:28):
As somebody who's worked in education, I see, I see
the effects of what happens when they are on those schedules,
And so is there something that you would tell parents
now about that?
Speaker 4 (53:43):
As a healthcare practitioner.
Speaker 2 (53:45):
I mean I would ask the same question, where are
the safety studies on multidose vaccines? Where are the safety
studies on this schedule that we have? I mean, you
and I are close to the same age. I was
fully vaccinated and my full vaccine schedule was twelvevaccines. Yeah,
another's seventy and that same timeframe. Yeah, So there's been
no research. There's been nothing to validate increasing dosage like
(54:08):
that and changing doing multi No studies on multi dose vaccines,
which the five and ones, the four and ones, there's
no research there to say they're safe.
Speaker 1 (54:17):
I definitely think that as a child who was very sickly,
because I was a very sickly child asthmatic allergies. I mean,
I'm the only person I know who had scarlet fever
twice as a child, multiple rounds of pneumonia as a child,
always respiratory issues, bronchial infections, all of that. So I
(54:39):
didn't play sports. I was not, you know, an active child,
because there was always this worry that, oh God, please,
she's gonna get winded, she's gonna need her inhaler, she's
gonna need something. And so I, you know, my own
life of a child being very sickly has turned into
the way I practice and live my life now because
(55:00):
as I understand that there are some things that were
done that I had no control over as a child,
because I wasn't making those decisions that really affected my health.
And we talk about asthma, we talk about allergies. A
lot of that I believe came because I was a
highly vaccinated child.
Speaker 3 (55:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (55:16):
One antibiotic use is also very tied to as my
analogies and young kids.
Speaker 4 (55:22):
All the things.
Speaker 1 (55:23):
Yep, I was always on some sort of antibiotics, always
on some sort of medication as a child. And I think,
you know, and this is not a fault to my mom.
I think she was doing the best she knew how
to do. I think, and as a young mom, you know,
you're twenty for twenty five years old, having this child,
these twins, you know, having twins, and you know you're
(55:43):
a young mom, and so of course you're looking at
the doctor like they know what they're talking about. I
think they do know, and so you take all of
the suggestions, but then you don't understand that there's a
cause and effect for everything.
Speaker 2 (55:57):
Well imagine you know, again that's the whole idea that
your body is not capable of responding appropriately. Imagine if
that conversation changed in the preconception period to how powerful
you are and how your immune system works, and you
know what that could do to change the choices that
you make for your kids because you understand things differently.
(56:17):
My goal has never been to say, well, you're going
to just need to trust whatever I say. I want
to teach you not to need me. So I'd like
to teach you how the physiology works, and not in
the educated terms that I got trained in, but in
a way that you can understand it and actually be
able to apply it to your life. And so I
think we have a massive responsibility as healthcare practitioners to
(56:40):
help people understand health differently, so that they can have
different questions when they're talking to their doctors, so they
can make better choices in the grocery store.
Speaker 3 (56:48):
I always I always.
Speaker 2 (56:49):
Tell my moms, you know, I'm not going to be
at the pediatrician's office with you. I might not be
at your birth most likely if you're in the hospital,
I won't be I don't get to be at all
of these life things. But I want you to remember,
because there was some conversation we had about something that
you're gonna be like, oh wait, but I remember, this
is what I wanta, this is what I want to consider.
And if you can do that, now you're getting more empowered.
(57:09):
You're the one who is stepping into this different role.
And it's I mean, it's truly an education as we
learn what works best for us and our families to
make those choices.
Speaker 1 (57:18):
I mean, that's so powerful because I told you probably
one of the reasons why I probably don't have children
is I was in the room. I was in the
birthing room my sister, my twin sister, had her baby.
Speaker 4 (57:29):
Baby. I saw enough, Okay, I said.
Speaker 1 (57:31):
I don't know, I don't know, doc, okay, natural birth,
no epidural, Yeah, vaginal birth, the whole deal.
Speaker 4 (57:38):
So this was she And here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (57:41):
I at one point while when she was pregnant, I
thought I wanted to be a doula. I was like,
I think I want to help bring people, you know,
bring their babies into the world, right, And so I
remember like saying, you got to stick to your birthing plan,
you know. And of course the contractions started coming, and
at one point she was like, I think I'm just
gonna need to epidural and they came in and asked.
(58:02):
They said, I said, no, you have to stick to
your brow. I got tribal music playing in the damn room.
Speaker 4 (58:06):
Dog. She was so annoyed with me. She was like, god,
that off.
Speaker 1 (58:11):
I'm like, you're about to bring your baby into the world.
I'm giving her all the affirmations and stuff, and.
Speaker 3 (58:17):
She's like, shut up, right.
Speaker 1 (58:19):
And of course she got to the point where they
were like, okay, well do you want it? And I'm like, no,
don't talk for me, like you need to speak for me.
But I remember, like, you just you can do this,
because I would. I was reading so much, you know,
so many studies so much research on what happens when
you bring your baby into the world on drugs.
Speaker 3 (58:40):
Yeah, yeah, well, and I mean even and.
Speaker 1 (58:43):
This is not this is not to you know, discount
anyone's experience because they did, because I know they'd be brandy,
you know, But there is a lot of research around
when you have the epidural.
Speaker 2 (58:56):
Yep there's oh, I mean from autism risk, there's definitely
and postpartum depression higher rates of postpartum depression with the
potocin and the epidurals. Yeah, there's definitely something there. And
I would have one percent. My first labor was twenty
nine hours and I was forty two over forty two weeks.
Speaker 3 (59:14):
I don't have babies at forty weeks.
Speaker 2 (59:16):
My body apparently didn't read the textbook and it likes
to do its own.
Speaker 4 (59:18):
Thing, like I'm coming when both of my kids, Yeah,
all away from me.
Speaker 2 (59:24):
But I had so much pain. I remember thinking I
was at transition. I was I was going to be
pushing a baby out and I was two centimeters dilated
and I was like, you've got to be kidding me.
And then I had my daughter, and she was an
unassisted home birth because she came so fast. She was
four hours and I had no pain. And before my
daughter's birth, I would have said, you have three heads
(59:45):
if you would have told me that labor doesn't have
to hurt. But what I learned between my two births
was the more fear you carry into your birth, the
more it's gonna hurt. And so it's releasing that fear
because women are not inherently.
Speaker 3 (59:57):
Taught to trust birth. We're taught you die during birth.
Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
Birth is very dangerous, it's very scary, and so there's
this fear, and I believe that that makes women actually
experience more pain. And so now you can look at
birth and I had no fear with my daughter, and
I mean four hours and I was like, oh my gosh,
there's a head. And it was just it was such
a different experience, and you never would have made me
believe that before that experience.
Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
Let me tell y'all, that didn't change my mind.
Speaker 4 (01:00:24):
Baby, y'all might see me all, but forty women pregnant.
Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
Okay, listen, she didn't changed my mind today about so much.
And I think that that's the beauty of what, you know,
what we get to do, We get to choose, and
we get to choose again. Yeah, I mean the epidural
conversation I think is something. But before we go, because
I want to touch on this, I know I'm running
over my time at home birth unassisted.
Speaker 4 (01:00:50):
Is what you had with your last child?
Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
Pregnancy delivering a baby in a hospital is very different,
very and there many people who have all type of
you know, thoughts and feelings around it. They're like, I
want to be in the hospital because if something happens,
I need a doctor. I don't want to be in
my house and who won't get to me. When we
think about our grandparents' generation, we think about our great grandparents,
(01:01:15):
nobody was delivering babies in the hospital.
Speaker 4 (01:01:18):
They was at home having the children.
Speaker 3 (01:01:19):
Everybody was at there.
Speaker 4 (01:01:20):
Yeah, yep. So what is the difference?
Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
And then what's an expectation that people can have if
they choose to have a home birth or water birth.
We have a lot of people talking about water birds.
What is the expectation that people can have?
Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
Well, so, did you see some of the research that
came out after COVID. After COVID, maternal mortality actually decreased
during COVID because more people went home to have babies.
Speaker 4 (01:01:44):
Oh wow, So we actually.
Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
Saw a change there and there has been a big
movement to move back home, finding a midwi, free team,
having a doula.
Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
I am.
Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
I mean my first labor, my son and I both
almost died, and just a very very traumatic birth. And
I still remember waking up the entire team was gone.
Speaker 3 (01:02:06):
I had no idea if my son was alive.
Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
My husband was gone with him, and it was just
the room was silent, and I looked to my side
and my dula was sitting right there.
Speaker 3 (01:02:15):
She was the one that stayed by my side the
entire time, and she.
Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
Said, your baby is alive, he's great, your husband's with
him right now. And she brought peace that transformed everything
for me. And so I am a massive proponent of
doulah's at birth. The doula has more of the support
for mom, whereas the midwife is meant more for the baby.
So some people are like, why would I need adulaf?
I have a midwife, Why would do Why do I
need a dodula if I have a husband, And I'm like,
(01:02:39):
how many birth says he attended.
Speaker 4 (01:02:41):
Chow and let me just say, this is my brother
in law baby.
Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
We was both in there like oh, what is happening?
Speaker 4 (01:02:48):
He was like, I want to go look at the game.
Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
It was during the NBA finals, Okay, it was when
it was the year the Calves won the title.
Speaker 3 (01:02:56):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
But the DULA can advocate in ways that spouse's partners
sometimes they're too close to the situation a do look
and advocate. So you can ask your hospitals do you
allow water birth? Do you allow me to Can I
birth in the shower? Can I labor in the shower?
Do you have tubs? You can do that, And there's
also tubs that midwives can bring to your home if
you choose to do a home birth. Some of the
(01:03:19):
hospitals are getting a lot more friendly, but what they're
calling birth centers that hospitals are not birth centers. So
having you know, one of the things that I really
push for my families is you're not having who's ever
on call. It is not the midwife on call that
you go to. It is this midwife is with you,
and this midwife is staying with you during your pregnancy.
You build a relationship and a trust with them, and
(01:03:41):
that the hospital can't always provide that, which to me
would say birth center or home If that's something that
is important to you. So yeah, there's definitely different options
if you don't want to be on a time clock.
You know, it's interesting at if you have a premature
rupture of membranes or if you have a water leak
at twenty.
Speaker 3 (01:03:57):
Six weeks, they'll let you go up to six weeks.
Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
I was just talking with doctor Stuart Fishbeine, who has
Birthly Miracles podcast and he is amazing.
Speaker 3 (01:04:05):
He's an obie guy who does breech birth home births.
Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
He does, he's amazing, And he was saying, you know
it's six weeks, you can still be leaking waters, but
you know as soon as your water breaks, you got
eighteen hours as soon as your full term. Why the
difference and why has there not been a conversation with that.
Speaker 4 (01:04:21):
So it's just.
Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
Everything gets so fearful around birth because what most people
don't realize is when you are pregnant, the obe that
you're working with is at fault for one hundred percent
of things.
Speaker 3 (01:04:32):
When that baby's born.
Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
If that cord is cut and something happens to the baby,
it's the pediatrician's fault. If the cord is still attached
and something happens it's the obe's fault. So it's literally
a liability shift that happens when that chord gets cut,
which is you know why the whole idea of let
the cord go like, let the the placenta, let it
stop pulsing, Let the cord stop pulsing.
Speaker 3 (01:04:54):
So the baby has all of the blood.
Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
You're missing like a third of the baby's blood by
stopping that cord from pulsing and just saying nope, we
need to get this baby off right away.
Speaker 3 (01:05:02):
It's completely a liability thing. It's not a safety thing.
Speaker 1 (01:05:05):
So keeping the baby the umbilical cord connected to the
baby for an extended period of time is helpful.
Speaker 3 (01:05:12):
Absolutely. Yep.
Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
It's going to decrease jaundice. It's going to decrease I mean,
that's a baby's blood. That's how the baby's been filtering
its blood is through that placenta. So let the baby
have the blood and let that cord stop pulsing, let
it go white.
Speaker 4 (01:05:26):
There is so much I know that we can talk about.
Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
I feel like we need to do another class or something,
especially for moms.
Speaker 4 (01:05:33):
I think we just need to do conception.
Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
Okay, for people who really want to dive a little
deeper before you get out of here, though, one word
you are committed to in this season of your life.
Speaker 3 (01:05:47):
Vulnerability.
Speaker 4 (01:05:51):
I think you gotta be doing this work.
Speaker 3 (01:05:53):
Yeah, it's been scary.
Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
I've been very protected in my little bubble for the
last fifteen years. And actually getting out in talking about
this and helping people understand that they do have options.
It's scary and it's a I just hope that people
see my heart in it and that i'm My intent
has nothing to do with an agenda. It has everything
to do with I want these families together. I want
(01:06:15):
these moms to enjoy their babies. I don't want them
to face what I had to face.
Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
Yeah, vulnerability, Doctor Marsha Schaeffer, What a wonderful, enlightening conversation.
This has been so good. Bought Empowered Talks another good
one for the books. If you are looking to conceive
in this season, baby, it's going to require some things
from you. I hope you share this with somebody who
needs this in their life. Until next time you, guys,
(01:06:39):
I'm your girl. Brandy Harvey eat well, give a damn
move your body every single day.
Speaker 4 (01:06:44):
Peace,
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