Vero G Spotlight Radio Show with Hiphop Legend Cuban Link Part 1 #Hiphop50

Vero G Spotlight Radio Show with Hiphop Legend Cuban Link Part 1 #Hiphop50 #TerrorSquad #CubanLink #CubanLinkCLK

Vero G. Veronica Gonzalez & DJ Chef Interview the Legendary Cuban Link of Terror Squad Infamous Latin Hip Hop Group exclusive tell-air interview.


Felix Delgado known to the world as Cuban Link talks about his legendary career, life, working with Big Pun, Fat Joe, Pitbull, Being a member of the Legendary hip-hop group Terror Squad, his split with Fat Joe, The impact & aftermath of Big Pun's death and his legacy and a lot more.

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We're going to get back and theshow guys to wherever. He's be
back in a few minutes. Butlike I said, again, I'm so
honored. I know honored as welleverybody. Like I said, this is

(02:21):
a chapter in our lives. Wejust mentioned it before we got on the
show today. A new chapter andour team lives. That's too nice again,
big shut up again to my stacks, Natalie, DJ, Chef Jay
and Priam Media, the Rogie Productions, everything that all the people are not
cool. Yes, oh my god, he's here, Oh my god,
yes, yes, Wow, let'sgive it up. Clap. Let's get

(02:42):
that clop chef. What's man?You know, I'm honored, pleasure.
Oh my god, I am solike, I am like, you don't
understand. I'm turning red. Inever like, I don't know what's the
word. I can't even go outof my mouth right now. Thank you,

(03:05):
thank you urning or it's turning reda little pinkish, but you know
you look too, girl. Aroundthere's around there, thank you, thank
you for the love though. No, you're welcome, thank you so much
for being on this amazing show.And we're honored. And I've been watching
for a while. We actually meta while back. Yeah, yeah,

(03:27):
with tragedy. Yeah I remember you. Yeah really, I'm really like,
you're supposed to actually go to yourhave a date to go to the studio
there, but it's crazy stuff happened. So it's okay, we're here.
We love man. No, we'regonna definitely have a follow up, so
don't work for that. So yeah, definitely definitely. Are you ready?

(03:49):
Are you ready? Yeah, I'mman, I'm just a little I'm just
a little. I just can't believe. Man, come on, man,
you don't know, man, Iused to listen to you in my twenties
when I when I was riding inmy cheek. This was like so many
years back, man, But it'sa pleasure man. Man, that's the

(04:11):
beautiful thing about music. Man.We connected, you know, even though
we never probably physically met each other, we connected new music. So I'm
humble that you are, that youpass some years with my music and uh,
the chance that hip hop gave meto really reach out to y'all.
So thank you, man. I'mhumby. Of course I had a problem.
So before we get started, Iwant to cut. I did a

(04:31):
lot of homework on you, soI want to give what's recognitions do because
you're and and I feel to mebecause I'm I'm an artist, not to
put down the side. But Irespect you because Brian and you're hustle and
don't stop whatever you walk through andI respect you more than ever, sir.
And I just want to give youyour platform right now, to give
you your credits. So you welcome, not a problem. So let's let's

(04:55):
let me get started. Okay,you walk walk. He's very appreciated too,
man, It's very appreciate it.Nowadays you know, they wait for
people to die to give the roses. So I appreciate that you welcome and
I understand. Not a problem.Not a problem. Okay, So let
me get let me get my creditshere. Okay. For you don't stop
it, don't be don't get nervouson me. I'm getting blushing and then

(05:16):
you're turny blush chef. You betterstart cooking something up over it. Oh,
I might have to, Man,I'm something we gotta eat. That's
what's up. That's the up.Okay. So, like I said,
he is a true hip hop legend. Yes, you're walcome man from the
b S. I know you camefrom you about which I love Kuba,

(05:39):
you know, yes, but againthe Cuban, Cuban and something else.
Man, I love Cubant oh man. Yeah. Man. The culture is
beautiful thing. It's a beautiful thing. I mean it's very close to Puerto
Rican. Yeah, very close,you know. But uh but uh yeah
cube. But you know, eacheach island in the career being defined itself

(06:01):
with his special stuff. So youknow what I'm saying. We got the
motro uh that's the black rice withthe black beans, and we got the
need and you got over here.You get in the kitchen and start shoving
it up. Yeah, I meanI'm cheffing up too, man, I
learned that later on in life.But oho, okay with the person about

(06:25):
that as well. All right,all right, but uh, like I
said, you've been over twenty yearsin the game, the music industry game
as they called it. Man,I hope I get this right. I
think it did over eight albums oversingles. Now that's albums. I know
that we're not really we'll talk aboutthat as well. Well. Yeah,
I know what it is. Idid some mixtapes that that may have seen

(06:45):
like albums. Yeah that's far Okay, that's what it is too. So
yeah, yeah, but it's it'sa lot of you know, the body
of work is uh, it's prettybig, you know what I'm saying,
even though it hasn't after a certaintime, it didn't reach like the mainstream
and stuff like that. But ifyou do your homework, you know,
you know, I put my workin there, you know, I' saying
I couldn't part with them more.But now I hang out. I was
a little I was a little disorganized, you know how I go. Man,

(07:06):
we're from the street. We getas long as we put things out
there, you know. What I'msaying. That's what I did. You
know what I'm saying just to keepthe people fed, let them know that.
You know, cubanink ain't going nowhere, but if you had the gracious
time to find it, I'm sureyou you know, you would appreciate it.
No, definitely, I seen youryour catalog. I've just been like,
wow, this man has been somuch. And that's why I said,

(07:28):
that's you here, because I wantto give you that platform, that
moment. You know, your workis spoken for, man, and I'm
just honored man. But there's alot of work, more work to do
though, you know what I'm saying, there's a lot of more work to
do. That's right, that's right. But I got your home work.
I got you, I got you. We're going talk about that in a
little while, in a minute now. No, I'm just saying, you
know, we never stopped working.We never gonna stop working. You know,

(07:50):
we're working. We're born with thisall this gene. Uh you know
that's not you know, I hearda lot of people say, you know,
hip hop is for a young mansport, and it is to a
point, you know what I'm saying, But uh, you know, Uh.
We always thought that this was poetry. So poetry is forever. So
you know what I'm saying, atthe end of the day, this poet,
this poets that that lived to beninety and still you know, writing

(08:13):
poetry and all that. So atthe end of the day, that's why
I see you know what I'm saying. I mean, you can see jay
Z and all that. You knowwhat I'm saying. There's people that that
that surpassed that, that that myth. So you know we can still do
our thing, you know what I'msaying. And someone was like, woa
baby, we get better at time, so you know that's right there.
You go, Well, let melet me let everybody know. I to

(08:35):
Cubanin. I did my I waslike two two days straight working while I
was doing research. So I'm goingto give everybody to do the background and
then we get right to the questions. Are you ready, guys, I'm
ready, Okay, all right,So I know we all know you were
best friends with Big pun uh sincethe age of fifteen years old. You're
formed a group years ago with him. Back then it was called rough Rugged,

(09:00):
Rugged Rug, that's right, andthen it's changed to full clips yeah,
and then you guys traveled locally andthen actually I'm from the Lower East
five so oh yeah, we startedover there. We started. I mean,
that's what the whole full of clipsa little fever started. Man,
right there Cherry Park. Right therein Cherry Park. It was that big
that big building that's there, rememberthe little park there. We did our

(09:24):
first performance right there, said Uncleb. Nelson was from l e S.
So uh yeah, so we startedour whole movement. Uh even though
we're from the Bronx though we wererocking with Uncle Be and he was from
the Lower East Side. See youbrepped my mind. Yes, yes,
you guys local traveling and then uhlocally freaking me and then you guys Uncle

(09:46):
we was sponsoring you guys, youknow, like, you know, basically
helping you. He's back in us. He's back in Besides, he was
family to us. But you know, he believed in our talent, so
he was you know, he hadthat paper, he had that treet paper,
so he put it behind us,you know what I'm saying. So
so he got some hoodies you knowthere full of clips of vests and hats,
and you know, we were justmaking a noise from the street,
you know, on that independent level. Awesome, that's amazing. And I

(10:09):
would also tell you qube Link wasthat it's great with somebody supports you and
what you do and they see thevision behind that. Yeah, it's important,
definitely. And you guys started fromback then to even to even now.
You don't think whatever happened back then, But you guys, I guess
that you still continue on and you'regoing to be a legacy. You're leaving
something. Yeah, yep, yep, yep. It's a beautiful legacy,

(10:33):
no matter if the other one.I mean, even if you take the
bad parts inside of it, it'sa beautiful legacy because without you know what
I'm saying, that that that darkness, the light one never came. So
you know what I'm saying. Butit's a beautiful thing. You know what
I'm saying. It plays both sides. It's a real story. I mean,
my my story is from when youget to Cuban Link, you know,

(10:56):
just me even getting to America,hooking up with with the Is.
You know, but he rapper toever live without even me knowing that he
could rap, you know what I'msaying, just on some friendship ship first,
you know some brotherhood ship. First, it's it's it's crazy, you
know what I'm saying. So whenI look like that, you know what
I'm saying, one of the bestto ever do it. You know what
I'm saying. So you know whatI'm saying. And then when you take

(11:20):
funds life, you know what I'msaying. When he was you know,
born, i mean bronze bread,you know, went through he you know,
his his childhood, He's tow himinto childhood where you know, he
had to do what he had todo, getting you know, growing up
and becoming a man early. Andyou know what I'm saying, him doing
what he had to do. Uh, I mean, it's a it's a
beauty. It's it's a ghetto story. That's that's that's Shakespeare couldn't write it

(11:43):
better than that, you know whatI'm saying. So at the end of
at the end of the day,it was a beautiful thing. So I
said, man, were blessed.Man. Even if you're bathroom good,
we here, We're still here.You know what I'm saying, Even through
that pandemic, we're still here.So uh so, so I mean,
yeah, like I said, likemy journey like it's crazy, like to
me, like I be thinking aboutjust that man, Like yo, I'm

(12:05):
Cuban, Like I was really bornin Cuba. I came here when I
was five years old, and butnot a boat. My mother, my
father and my sister. Well yeah, so I really really, really really
came in that like for real,like you know what I'm saying, Like
it's not even a game, it'snot a movie. To me, it
was like for real, you knowwhat I'm saying. I know in English,

(12:26):
you know, born to Puerto Ricofor four years, you know,
and then coming over here to theBronx when I was nine, uh,
me learning English, hanging out withnothing but well my black friends in the
beginning, with I even knowing English. They're the ones who took me in
and I learned more English because ofthem. So you know, so I
mean just the culture of hip hopof course, you know, at that
time, it was it was justyou know, like the essence of hip

(12:48):
hop, you know what I'm saying, from the break dancing, to the
to the graffiti on the wall,uh, to the b boys uh,
from the music, the DJ andthe block parties. So it was all
of that that captivated me as ayoung kid, and uh, just that
story alone man, and then memoving to Prospect Avenue and then meet meeting

(13:09):
Chris Man. You know what I'msaying. At the time his name was
Moondog. So we played ball together, we went you know, after that
we became friends, friends like brothers. You know, we were taking a
boxing together, doing everything everything.Man, you know what I'm saying.
I was his little brother. Hewas my big brother, you know what
I'm saying. But just that,you know what I'm saying. And then
from that therese us too, likecreating that bond and then uh taking the

(13:33):
hobby of hipp of like you know, of spitting, and I'm seeing from
the hallways and and and and andgetting it known out there to where Fat
Joe could look and see you knowwhat I'm saying, like, uh something
about even if he just saw itabout fun at the time, but he
saw it and him taking that chancewith us, you know what I'm saying,

(13:56):
It just created that beautiful thing,you know what I'm saying, where
it was nothing but history. Afterthat, after that, you know,
they they hooked up and loved punhalf for us. Metriple Station, the
sick One he never left it,so he kept us along and you know,
eventually, you know, Joe understoodwhat what you know, what we
was good for and uh, itwas already proven. So at the end

(14:18):
of the day, you know,they could write their own stories, but
the truth is in the putting,you know what I'm saying. You know,
your boy Cuban Link put it downat the end of the day.
Even though I played it humble,you know, and I played my position
where it's like, yo, Ijust want to do my part like I
wasn't always I wasn't trying to bethe best. At the end of the
day, I was just you knowwhat I'm saying, everybody got to play
the position. I played my positionto a point because it was just my

(14:41):
my duty to do it. Butit was a beautiful It was Voltron when
we transformed, and when the TeestSquad transformed back in the days, it
was voltronp And you know, wecreated we created something that that the Bronch
was proud of. We created somethingthat Latinos was proud up. Black folks
was proud of. You know whatI'm saying, everybody just a game of
hip hop was proud of because weyou know pun Pun did is he legit

(15:01):
He legitimized the m scene of latinosand in a big scale, just like
Eminem did it for the white folks. You know what I'm saying. So
yeah, that's you know what I'msaying, And that's what we did.
So that's what I'm saying. Itwas a legendary movement and I'm proud to
be, you know, part ofthe foundation with that. You know,

(15:22):
that's awesome. He just then,you guys, I always say, you
guys, you broke the barrier down, especially for you know, like you
know, I guess it was hardback then, and you guys you did
it. You broke that barrier,that mold that they kind of like in
the industry was over looking on us. And that's I guess that's why I
always look up to you as ahip hop artist, man, because you

(15:43):
just you kept going in and witha big pun and everybody else included with
that amazing group you guys had,and it was just yeah, man,
I mean that was blessed. Thatwas blessed. That was that was actually
the funnest time, you know,when you broke and you're coming up and
you know you're nervous, you getthem butterflies because you don't know what the
hell because Pun didn't know he wasgonna blow. You know what I'm saying,
because he was humble. He washumble to a point, you know
I'm saying, because he didn't know. But but he was so humble,

(16:07):
and again we was all humble.I stood humble. You know, Punk
was crazy. I think everybody knewPun though. Pun was crazy, but
he got it like he got lyricallyinclined. He was very he was lyrics
like when he used to split therhyms, is like it kind of reminded
me the way Biggie did. Butthe way Punt did it was like it

(16:30):
was, yes, it was.But the difference between him and Biggie was
that, you know, Bigger justhad a different style, slower style,
uh you know, uh, thedawn style. He just you know saying,
could break down stories and and hishis metaph his format to his rhymes
were a little different. So Biggiehad that special thing too, you know
what I'm saying. As far aslike you know, of course, you
know big Biggest one of my favoritestwo, but Pun just because there was

(16:52):
like overweight and all of that.They tend to compare them and all of
that, you know what I'm saying, Like, in that sense, styles
of rapid was different, though,Yeah, I think a little faster,
cool, lot faster, Nigga thatin the middle of literally come on,
come on, you know throw thatwas that was that's that's that was wordplay

(17:15):
right there. You know what I'msaying. Point had a lot of of
wild moments in his rhyms. Youknow what I'm saying. He said metaphors
that you know, even if Istudied there was still shouldn't soon it's a
chitty chatter your ship and shattered.I'm the kid out of the Bronx that
will stop you. The depth likedidn't matter, you know what I'm saying,
Like just that as soon as thatchitty chatter, ye ship is shatter,

(17:36):
I'm the kid at it. Yousee, he roound everything, you
know what I'm saying. So it'slike he's a wordsmith, you know what
I'm saying. So he put wordstogether crazy. That's right. Awesome.
But okay, so next thing,actually just asked one of my questions because
and then at the time you justmentioned also fad Joe Nigga said, wait,
wait, now you catching women thatnigga punch said, stop and laugh.
My ship is but a fu colNiggas run like punch the poop call.

(18:00):
You go tell your putos how Iblew your put that was punned.
I'm just remembering what my brother did, like you know, like that.
It was like you know what I'msaying that, man, niggas don't do
that like people don't do don't dothat. Let me tell you something.
Let me tell you something, Cuban. The rap game is so different now.

(18:22):
I don't even like half of thetime, I don't even understand what
these rappers are doing. I'm saying, you know, and I appreciate.
I appreciate everything. You guys.You know pun you guys, all you
guys from from the b K.You know the way that y'all rahm it
it meant something like you said,it was a movement, you know what

(18:44):
I'm saying. Yeah, it wasthat moment in time that that MCS was
looked at the main thing in hiphop, you know what I'm saying,
Because everything took turns, Like backin the days, it used to be
the DJs, then before that itwas the freezes. So it's battles and
all that. Then it became wherethe mics where than you know, the
MC moved the crowd that you know, the best lyricists. So when it

(19:07):
came to that, you know,you have brothers that came in and became
game changers, you know what I'msaying, to the game, and uh,
you know, Plum was definitely agame changer, you know, and
he took his race right with him. Even though we didn't believe in all
of that brown, black, white, We didn't. We just sticking to
hip hop as far as like beingthe best of what we wrote and where

(19:29):
we you know, where we comefrom of course the struggle and being real
with our lyrics. So that's whatwe was really doing. But then later
on when he blew, he blewlevels up, you know what I'm saying,
because like I said, we didn'tlike he didn't even think that he
was gonna go all the way likethat. So when it was depicted where
he sold the man albums, that'swhen that's when it was different. That's

(19:51):
when it's like, okay, nowthe Latino sensation, you know what I'm
saying, But black in the block, I was like, yo, pun
is punt. There's no color tohim, you know what I'm saying.
No matter he's Puerto Rican, Soit was all like that when it was
local. But uh well, yeah, you already know how Ameican doesn't when
you get up there, they tryto divide. But it's kind of cool.
It's kind of cool, I meanbecause at the end of the day,
it works out as long as youknow how to bring it back.

(20:12):
It caught up in it because canalways say, you know what I'm saying,
if you're a doctor, it doesn'tmatter what kind of color you are.
You what I'm saying, You're gonnafix me up. Your doctor.
You take medical, that's it.That's your field. So you got to
be the best doctor. So that'swhat That's the best way he put it.
You know what I'm saying that hewas a rapper. He was an
MC so it doesn't matter what coloryou know he was. You know he

(20:33):
added to the game, and youknow he did it for the game of
hip hop. That's right, allright, that's what. But I do
want to make people that know whodon't know who don't come on. But
I was, like I said,down the line, when you were a
big filming you guys with the fullclips. Eventually they guess that you were
were by Fat Joe Donald Line nowwith Turr Squad at that time, and

(20:56):
that's how you guys formed with them. No our first question too, I
think you kind of mentioned it wereready to answer, but I was just
ask you the question now to us, how did you a good question?
How did it for you to lookingback at the beginnings that you mentioned before
of your work and with a bigpun and everything from to the moment of
stardom, like but that moment,That's what I went to say, how

(21:18):
did you feel like from then toat the highlight moment? Oh? Man,
it was it was it was likesurreal, you know what I'm saying,
because because remember that's my bro.So you know, it was nothing
of us just chilling the crib andplay pool in his crib, playing Nintendo
and ship Teching to Break night playingTeching two and you know what I'm saying,

(21:42):
for money and and you know,so when we did the rhyms,
it was the same way that westood in this house and wrote rohyms in
the crib and then when you know, we had to do whatever number.
He started off as uh as Joe'shype man too, so he got some
practice, you know, you allgot some practice going through the Joe the
Joe Avenue because he was already youknow what I'm saying. He was already

(22:03):
on. So he was doing littleshows here and there with the Jealous Ones
Envy Joint, and that's that's thealbum got featured on. But it was
just like we like, we've seenthem move like that, you know what
I'm saying, That we've seen thegradual the gradual ship. But it wasn't
like you know what I'm saying,we was after that like that. I
was just humble enough to just belike, oh shit, innocit, you

(22:26):
know what I'm saying, Like,oh and then I see my brother just
you know, it was it wasit was like times that I never heard
some certain rhymes that he was likewriting because he was already like him and
Joe, Joe was already putting himon, like Firewater, Like I never
heard that rhyme firewater where he waswriting all the other rhyms. I was
dead. I was there when hewas writing it. But like there's a

(22:47):
couple of rhymes that that I neverheard. So when I heard it,
like on a mixtape, and Iheard him his verse and ship Ship Horgan
Dies and all of that out oflies, no man like Cornan and standing
beside the Gods like when I started, like I heard his voice, the
projection of his voice, the lyricshe was saying, like he was a
professional. Oh my fucking bros.A professional like this nigga sound better than

(23:08):
the top nagg It's like he mademe a believer because you know, he
took it serious like that, youknow what I'm saying. It was a
point that it was still a hobbyto me, like you know what I'm
saying, Like, oh shit,you know what I'm saying. We do
this shit, but it's like,you know what I'm saying, And not
to even downplay it, but youknow what I'm saying, It was funny.
So that element of me taking itas a hobby made me made me

(23:30):
freely, like you know what I'msaying, express myself a little more freely
to have more fun with it.Because when you take it too serious sometimes
it messes it up. So thatwas definitely an element that was needed.
It was there, that fun element, that funny element, you know what
I'm saying. But when I.I mean, we've seen it together.
We've seen it together. We waslike, oh shit, like when we
did uh, we did Mumber.We came from the the from the college

(23:55):
circuits. Also, Joe took Punthrough the college circuits, so he did
a lot of college uh uh backin the days. He had a lot.
I forgot what it's called, butit was the college uh only that
stually all of that. We didall the college radio by beat through a
stretch. So we came from theunderground like that, Like we were doing
that. But when we got looseand ship, when we started like this,

(24:15):
Pun used to hit this stage.You see the difference of you know,
different songs that he already put out. So it was that the reaction
was different every time. So itwas like more people like, you know,
everybody knowing his name more. Youknow, it went from Pun being
Joe's hype man to to to niggaschatting out you know, Pun's name,

(24:37):
So you know, he'd he earnedthat lead, that lead role. So
uh, the preparation the way Joedid it as far as like you know,
he set him up in a businessuh sense to get in the game.
It was it was sort of likeperfect for that, and Pun played
his card perfectly too. You knowwhat I'm saying. So it was just
the combination was was was beautiful.That's why it happened. That's awesome.
That's awesome. Another question, Actually, I think I've seen this, but

(25:00):
I want to ask you supposed tohere. Do you have a story with
you and Big Pond that you haven'tanybody? And I want to hear it
first here first? Whatever, It'sfine, not limiting. Oh man,
I said, A lot of storiesare fun. But I said a lot
of stories. All right, let'sget back to that one. Let me

(25:21):
brainstorm. You know, I gota brainstorm, I said. He's like,
that's pretty that one. You know, I'm thinking because it's crazy.
It's a lot of stories. Likeyou know, I'm selfish, Like I'm
selfish when it comes to fun,you know what I'm saying. And I'm

(25:44):
selfish because it's just like you know, like I know, the world lost
an artists, a great artist,and what I see what I'm saying that,
you know when it's different when it'spersonally you know, I lost a
brother. You know what I'm sayingthat then, uh, that's what you
know what I'm saying, it's likeand plus I went to the funeral,
and I've seen a lot of likeyou know how it is like I don't
know, I don't know. Justyou know, that's one of my questions.

(26:07):
You're like my questions, my god, because it's different, like I'm
saying, like it's different, likeyou know what I'm saying. You know,
you know somebody is like a familymember that passes away, and then
you know you see the industry howhow how you know people act just to
get a little bit of fame andstuff. So you know, the funeral
in the wake was was open wakewhere the fans came, artists came,

(26:30):
and it was a nice, beautifulparty and everything. And you know what
I'm saying, you know, orChief's Funeral Home in Westchester. But it's
just that I've seen so much likewait a minute, that's where it was.
Yeah, wow, right there,but yeah on the west side.
Yeah yeah, my question too.Now I could we could go talk that

(26:52):
question. How did you cope withhim? That's my ma main question for
you for that when he passed away? How did you manage to just I
mean, you know, it's painis hennessy, his cigarettes is uh is
uh, it's hurting, you knowwhat I'm saying. You know, you

(27:14):
lose part of your heart when youknow you lose somebody that you love,
so you know, regardless, andthen I have to go. And I
made that song Flowers for the Dead, and I made that song before he
passed away, and then I hadto dedicate it to him because I wrote
that song before he passed away.He heard that song, so I woul
allowed to do is put his namethere. But then it's like, yo,
I gotta relive that ship. Andthat ship is like I almost like

(27:36):
oppetize that ship. So it's likeyou dear real to me. So it's
like it took time. It tooka long time, like for me to
make that song like therapy, youknow what I'm saying. Even those are
real feelings and that song is speciallike that. But uh, I mean,
but just the way I see thatsong help other people, Yep,

(28:00):
Mamba, I'm spitting real ship likeon that song like that that that that
that that that was from actually youknow, a family member of mine.
So when I seen other people lovethat song, and uh, you know
what I'm saying, the tears theyshed to that song and still it was
it was it was helping them becauseit just brought them like closer to the

(28:21):
spirit or whatever. That's what Itook that energy back and then I had
to use that for that, youknow what I'm saying. So they gave
me the strength. So it wasthat, you know what I'm saying.
It was that Fans all this relationshipthat made me also do some therapeutical work
on myself, you know what I'msaying. But yeah, no, it's
hard. It's hard. So itwas definitely hard. I mean, you
know, you know how it iswhen you do somebody that's your family,
So you know what I'm saying.Especially I was close to you like that.

(28:42):
You know what I'm saying. Itmeant so much besides being putno,
this is besides him being big punishment. This is just, you know what
I'm saying, somebody that you know, you had incredible energy with and that's
a problem and your brother, soyou know what I'm saying. So,
yeah, that's different. And wedidn't know, we didn't have no money
for no therapy, and we didn'tcare about therapists. This was Fan So

(29:03):
you know what I'm saying. Wedid the hood therapy and then you know,
the paint came out the way itcame out, so you know it
is what it is. Definitely,definitely Actually I would to play one of
them if it's okay with you,because I know you did too tribute songs.
Why don't you just what you mentionedI was for the Dead and you
almost call it a to punk.Oh yeah, I was. I'm always
gonna talk to my bro. I'mgonna let him know what's going on.

(29:26):
Just I know he sees everything,but I want to let him know that
me and him is in the samespace. So yeah, just like this
album right now that I'm working on. Yeah, very uh it's an English
one in a Spanish one, right, let me just go with check.
Wait, wait, don't say it, don't say I got everything rinsed out?
Wait, you got Flowers for theDead? Yeah, you know that's

(29:47):
the first one that you know I'msaying that. And when it's flowers and
then you got the letter the punJust this is like a letter just letting
them know, you know what's goingon here, you know. Yeah,
yeah, from his bro, yougot I gotta I gotta let him know,
you know what I'm saying. Yeah, I have to let the people
know, you know what I'm saying. So so that was the letter that
was like a seven minute straight ronand no hook, no hook, just

(30:12):
uh yeah you went in. Iwas like I heard the whole song,
was like wow until it's day ofthen them lyrics stand, so you know
what I'm saying. So that's whenyou know it's real. And then the
new one. I got a newone. I got a letter Part two
that's coming out for the new project. So yeah, I mean I talked
to Bro. I gotta talk toBro. Let him know, you know

(30:33):
what I'm saying, let him know. We still we're still doing what we
do, you know. And it'snot it's not even it's not even to
use his name or anything, likeI told you that's my brother. And
when I go like when I talkto him, it brings out a whole
different you know what I'm saying insideof me as an artist, you know
what I'm saying. So it's thatconnection that I do it for, you
know what I'm saying, Like Iwant to keep his name alive the right

(30:53):
way. I feel like, youknow what I'm saying. It's just so
much things he did, Like youknow, I think he passed away and
all that. So much things hedid, I wish that he could have
got he could have got really,uh, you know, his his due
because he did he did so much, you know what I'm saying. There's
a lot of people that but everybodywas depending on him to do was we

(31:18):
wanted to see more for brother.Of course. Of course he had so
much in him, like so much, And that's what it is. That's
what it is. Man. It'slike, you know, he cut short.
He cut short, like you knowwhat I'm saying. That's why it's
even more saddened because I know,I know him. He was just getting
to his uh it's funny, hishumor inside lyrics, you what I'm saying.
When he did Yeah Baby, thatwas his humor already, you know

(31:41):
what I'm saying. So so,I mean I was left to do some
of most of the skits in hisalbum and the Yeah Baby album. I
had to go do him because hetold me the skits, but he never
got to do them, so Ihad to take like, you know,
I had to re create that forhim. You know, so I kind
of like executive produces his uh isyeah Baby album? You know, what

(32:02):
I'm saying. And as far aslike you know, putting it together,
like putting some certain things together becauseI knew, like like the one when
he's egg oh yeah and he's snoringon the plane. That that was really
pun That was really fun. Likethat goes a story. I mean,
did I tell you that story?I don't know if I said that story
when he was but I mean whenhe was on this nigga, he was

(32:29):
an insomniac, you know what I'msaying. So he's anothlectic, right,
that's what you call when did yousleep while you're talking? Yeah? Yeah,
So that he started doing that shipafter a while, like you know
what I'm saying, And I waslike this nigga playing like the way Pundit
ship. It almost seemed like thisnigga did it like on purpose because he
was on point, like that he'llplay a joke on you. So I
mean that was the real thing hehad. But yeah, we was in

(32:52):
the plane, man, go uh, I think we was going to do
a show somewhere. You had totake a plane. He had two coach
seats. Nigga had the extra belt. You know, they got to get
the extra belt, right, Sothis Nigga would take the extra belt.
He put it in his forehead likethe asshole, like that head band.
He'll put it like a head band. And then Nigga fell asleep with the
help with the belt on his head. Oh my god. And you gotta

(33:14):
imagine it's just like a seven fiftyseven, right. So he's got the
three rolls. He's got male peoplethere, you know, white people,
old ladies next to him, andthey all looking at him like you know
how people look at you. Becausehe was a little oversid. So the
niggas, you know, carefter awhile, I used to push him in
the airport with the fucking wheelchair becausehe didn't want to work, so we
used to get I used to getthe big ass wheel chairgga, I used

(33:37):
to Yeah, I used to pushhim through a whole airport. Nigga going
like like at least twenty miles anhour, is nigget like, come come
on, come on, going crazy. Yeah. So one time he just
he just got on the plane.It was him his wife lies I think
Amanda, it was me Boobie,I think Prospect, and we kind of

(34:00):
sat in the same like area.Yes, but assume the planet even take
off here this nigga already punt satdown, and this nigga a ready who
yo put the extra with the extralike the extra ship, the ship that
they'd be like. And I'm lookingat this. It's crazy. He's doing

(34:21):
his own purpose because I didn't know. I thought, you know, it's
funny like that. So this niggot the thing in his head, but
I mean the extra seat buckle,yeah, on his head, and he's
like this right, So now I'mlike, what the fuck Liza, Liza
looking at him. And one thingabout punty. You can't wake him up.

(34:42):
Do not wake him up? Ohman, not wake them up there,
nigga, don't touch him on heman, you can wake him up,
but don't touch him and wake himup. That was his thing,
man, because you're wild loud.It's like you know you when you wake
up, sleepwalker. Yes, that'sthe most thing I compared like they start
swinging going out, So so that'swhat it was. But right the fucking

(35:06):
earth fucking breaking noise. Ever atseven in the morning, old ladies are
looking at him, complaining in theback round, you know how the old
lady. So I'm in the fuckingmiddle seat, digging by myself. Oh
my, but I'm like this right. So so there's the So the lady

(35:28):
told the fucking steward is like complainright, So the lady, now the
stewardes go to punt this nigga.You already you know not that whatever.
Excuse me, sir, excuse me. I'm the one to wake up loud.
I got louder like this nigga likea fucking chainsaw. Right, So
then then she couldn't like wake themup with her voice, so she touched

(35:51):
them. And excuse me, sir. Yeah, as soon as the lady
touched him, that nigga woke up. Don't fucking touch me, bit overybody.
But he was still half asleep.But when he woke up, you
know, he woke up like likeyou know what I'm saying, and he
was like, yo, don't havea fucking touching bitch. This is the

(36:19):
best part of story behind me.This is a real story. I was
the only one laughing. I thinkI was a psycho one because I know
him, like I know if hewould be watching this ship from this he
would have been gigging. And likeif I would have did it, if
I would have that would have beenme he would have been gigging on the
side. But so funny, funnyand uh yeah, that was the last
time he took He took the coachthough after that was uh it was first

(36:44):
class and private, private planes andship. But that was funny. So
I have to do and it goesback to the skit. That's why I'm
saying, like I had to goback that a goya skit. I did
one hundred percent. We have toput the egg goyad skit there. And
you know he was you know whatI'm say, And he was fucking doing
the crazy shit in the planes man, crazy wow something. Yeah, so

(37:07):
they go, that's a fun story. Probably you didn't hear there we go,
we got it gag. Yeah,you gotta bring it out of me,
you gotta bring it up. Itwas like something so different now because
I'm just honored I was able tolisten to one of his stories. No,
I was, OK, that's story. Yeah, I mean, we
got amazing stories. Man. Butlike I said, if you picked my

(37:29):
brain and we go down the linewith the timeline, I'll tell you all
the stories. Man. It's justyou have to be you have to do
your homework and if you bring itout of me. I'll tell you,
I'll tell you all the stories yousee we need. I remember all that
ship like it was yesterday once time. Once you put me in that in
the in the in that zone.So no, I feel like I feeling
that or So there's one one questionI have to ask something just curiosity.

(37:52):
Now. I know years ago youwere in fat, your hat issues,
and I'm not gonna just talk aboutthat. But at this moment now,
for twenty twenty, have you andhim are these kind of squashing or you
guys terms that now? Doctor Millergot a question because I wanted to find
that out. Yeah, I wantto find I mean, I mean,

(38:13):
nah, we never squashed every day. You know what I'm saying. It
was just what it was twenty yearsyou know what I'm saying. Uh,
you ain't no therapy. That's likesay you know what I'm saying. I
know I came out. You knowI have my reasons too. I don't
really want to go back into whymy reasons to. I just know that
I have my reasons too. Okay, really really go out and really just

(38:37):
really go out of my mom youknow what I'm saying. On like records
and shouldn't say what I felt becausethat's my therapy. And I was on
it like that. You know,one thing about us is that, you
know, we really mean what wesay. We come from that cloth,
we come from that neighborhood. Yeah, and it was a personal situation,
so a lot of people got scaredof that. So well, it was
advertising a lot of other people's beefs. You know what I'm saying. I

(38:59):
wonder why what fun I mean,even if it's I know it's it was
what it was and it was real. So I mean the job rule and
the fifty cent ship they got published, published, and and he was out
there like that, So I mean, I didn't mind that it wasn't like
that because it was real. SoI was like, you know, trying
to keep it on, the onon, you know, uh not no,

(39:22):
not too much noise because you knowit brings uh that type of uh
blue boo, you know, theboys in blue come around and let me
let me ask you. But stillbut still, but still yeah, I
got yeah. Yeah, I don'twant to know. I want to know.

(39:43):
I mean, honestly, if ifbecause you know, pun is looking
down on all of us, doyou think that you in fact, Joe,
if Pun was looking down and heknew the child was beat, do
you how do you think he wouldfeel about I think he'll feel uh.
I mean even though even though youand Pun were more I think your Pun

(40:06):
was more closer than well fat Yeah, but it's not even just that,
like you know what I'm saying,Like, like I said, our bomb
was like the reason he made theword twenty is because of me and him
and whether you know later on ofcourse him and Joe did the song,
but it was you know, that'swhat people would see more. But you
know, the word twin became youknow, me and him was rough and
rugged, so he would ranted thatword like you know, back in the

(40:28):
days they used to say done sonfrom Queens. So he made twin up
him saying for the crew. Sobut besides the fact of that, I
mean, if you take the twentyyears that uh you know, well nineteen
years really yeah, that he's made, or twenty twenty twenty years that he's
been going, and if you thinkthey're really fun, is watching down which

(40:51):
he is. Yes, yeah,so that's what I'm saying. So he
is, so and you take allthe twenty years you do your homework,
and you see what Funt's family hadto go through from twenty years not even
me. Give me, I'm talkingabout his most prized possessions, kids had

(41:13):
to go through after he passed away, what Joe's been doing, and how
Joe's been rapping him. You thinktheir fun would want me to be cool
with him? No, so thenyou dig all right, guys, let's
change it because I know no,no, no, I'm just saying.
I'm just saying. It's not anegative. It's not a negative, you

(41:36):
know. I just I just appreciateyou and answering it for me. I
mean, you didn't have to,but I appreciate you. Well. I
have to put it like that becauseat the end of the day is like,
it's that real, you know whatI'm saying. It's just that real,
Like it's already it's already like documentationon it. So it's not like
something I'm just talking or or hype, you know, like saying because I
don't like him, It's not that. It's like it's been twenty years,

(41:59):
my brother. You've seen the storyhappens, You've seen pun left behind,
you've seen his kids, you've seenyoung Chris, you know baby, Uh
Chris Rivers, how nice he is. You've seen he's trying to make it
in his industry. He deserves ashot. You've seen why he doesn't get,
you know, to a certain level. You've seen his family. I
think he passed away, had togo, you know, through the bad
times again. It's like, comeon, you know what I'm saying.

(42:21):
And uh, you know, wouldn'tbe happy, That's what I'm saying.
Oh, I don't know. Thankyou for answering that. And like I
said, we we want to focusright now on your career if you're doing
a lot before we get into yourpresent right now, which I know you're
doing a lot of great stuff.Humiliate one thing. One of the managers
know you have to the twenty fourCharcter album, which came out in two

(42:43):
thousand and two thousand. She acts, basically, what made you want to
release on Spotify? The change andchange reaction. I didn't release anything.
I didn't really they got leaked,no, yeah, I mean, but
it's been leaked. I mean,yeah, it's been It's been bout legs
from the beginning. So I mean, but that's a catch twenty two.

(43:05):
I mean, you know they neverput in Atlantic Records and never put that
that album out, but that wasa great one of the great albums.
I'm not gonna a lie you tothank you. I appreciate you. But
if you tell it to the otherside where you know, when there was
actually trying to promote that album,I mean, uh, the word back
from Atlantic Records was that, youknow, I didn't have enough pre orders

(43:25):
and that was Joe that he cameback and told me that. So it
was just like, and that's whatyou know, but I respect and no,
but listen, we're not gonna butthis is not from a negative place.
This is you're asking me questions aboutalbums. So at the end of
the day, who had you know, uh, who had their you know,

(43:46):
Joe was my manager. So atthe end of the day, my
manager, I had to talk tothe label I was signed. My my
label was Atlantic Records, and Joewas the middle man to that, from
from the artist to the label evenwho got me the deal. He was
the one that was orchestrating everything withthe budgets and everything. So at the
end of the day it didn't comeout. And then the guy i't trusted,

(44:08):
which is Joe, and you knowto really talk on my behalf.
When it comes to the labels,he tells me that they're going to push
it back because they couldn't have enoughpre ordists. So I mean I took
it like I took it to thechest, like okay, I mean,
let's work on it. So whatever, whatever it was, I was trying
to find a solution because it's like, I can't believe that. But look
at that even through this time.Look twenty years later, Yes he's still

(44:30):
talking about twenty four K because itwas a jewel. It was it just
I guess they didn't want they didn'tappreciate it at the time, and maybe
it was what it was. Itwas mishandled by Atlantic Records, Uh,
slept on by Joe and maybe justyou know, things happened, man,
exactly exactly, all right, Idid more music, I know? Or
is that's my man? Like Katiein the background. All right, So

(44:52):
let's talk real quickly because we gota fuple of minutes before we get out
of here. Now, I knowyou have a no single coming up.
It just came out last year,twenty nineteen. It's cool New York ship.
Yeah, that's actually that's actually oneof one of the joints that that
I started working. Awesome, awesome, because I know you are. I
was gonna make sure I believe you'rereleasing two albums. When is the English

(45:12):
album was called miss Link. Ibelieve. Let me share it the right
the missing Link. Yes, maam, that's the new Well, that's the
new project coming up. Awesome,perfect and they have a one well ch
Reaction. Remember I did album twothousand and five was called Chain Reaction.
That's what MB remember that album.I remember that album. I definitely remembered
that album. Yep, yep,yep. That that that was independent coming

(45:36):
out from MB Records, Connectic basedout of Connecticut. Uh. And then
I did the Bank Band Boogie movement. Of course, you know what I'm
saying, Uh, rest in peace, po We'll hope this for fifth that's
one. You know what I'm saying, Drop Lord Trique my song you know
from the Bronx. We did thatmovement. Uh that got cut short because
of crazy ship that happened. Uh, you know, with with with the

(46:00):
with the cops and ship, youknow, a lot of bullshit. But
then uh uh but then yeah,but then yeah, I took a break.
I took a long break and uhlast summer well really like November October.
You know what I'm saying, Igot I got my pen back together.
A lot of things, you know, somethings. Sometimes life sparks,
you know, sometimes when you thingsis not going like really good in life

(46:24):
as far as your personal life,it brings out that energy of the of
the artists out, you know,put the artists behind. You know,
it's back against the wall. AndI'm just that type of dude, like
you put my back against the wall. I'm coming out of my Tyson style.
So that's what it was with that. So you know, my pan
and my pat got back together anduh, some beautiful things came out of

(46:45):
it. So I'm happy right nowwith my music the way I'm you know
what I'm saying, Like I'm justyou know, like I'm just painting y'all
a masterpiece of my career, mypresident, my past, and my future.
So it's it's very uh you know, I'm I'm I'm filling myself with
this. You have to you haven'tread this might be my best work,

(47:07):
like for real, like you letthem say it might be my best work
just just because it's so musically Uh, it's put together in a in a
universal way instead of just you knowwhat I'm saying, just categorizing it and
just you know what I'm saying local. So it's it's just got some big
songs in it, and uh,they don't mean something. I can't wait

(47:28):
for you ever release date or areyou still working at set right now?
I mean, I'm just like Isaid, I'm freestyling on the on the
fact that I'm just going to thestudio knocking songs out. Uh, the
business process is taking a little extracourse because you know we're doing we're doing
it independently too, so it's it'slike, you know, it's like you
know, you gotta you gotta getthat foundation also where the business is the

(47:49):
foundation got that product in the writepeople's hands. So it's a lot of
those things that that that and ofcourse the COVID gout of nowhere. You
know, I want to drop album. You know, the fucking pandemia happens,
and you know that's, uh,that's what it is. So anyway,
but but it's still like you knowwhat I'm saying that that that that
positive energy is back in the funelement is back in my life and it

(48:14):
took. It took it took along time man of therapy, a lot
of fuck yous and and ship tothe opposition to make me to make me
go. You know what, that'senough, fuck youuse man. Let's say
thank you. Now, let's saythink that's right, Let's say thank you.
Know what I'm saying, thank youbecause at the end of the day,

(48:35):
uh, you know that sometimes theyhate makes you greater. You know
what I'm saying, And it's itjust depends how you take it. You
know what I'm saying. And andif you survive it, you know what
I'm saying, and you can alwaysadd you know, make the negative a
positive. And that's all it is. We live. We lived long enough
to really think of solutions instead ofmaking problems. You know what I'm saying,
And I'm on that. I'm onjust making solutions and get letting the

(48:59):
music out, you know what I'msaying. That's right now. Before we
were like three let's a three minutes, so we make this real quick.
Let them know where your social mediaand then after that, my next question
to you before we get out ofhere, and then we'll play your song
as what we signd out what aricoming artists out there want to be an
arts lover, oh ship, makesure your dream is reality and make reality

(49:23):
your dream by hard work, bybeing under novel, being original. Uh
stand for what you believe, keepyour morals intact, and when you grab
when you when you when you gripthat mic uh be an mc not a

(49:46):
rapper, be a master of ceremonies. That's it. Are we got one
many guys. Let them know.Report your social media and then we chewing
for your music. Go ahead,good and uh yes, yes, started
social media for listen to media Cubansee okay, that's my uh phelick Cuban

(50:08):
Felix dogado link I think I don'tknow something like that. It's my Facebook
and Twitter. I got it onrunning my man RAPPI does it for me.
So it's coming. It's coming,and you know you can catch a
video to my website. Uh wW dot cuban lic c okay dot com.
Awesome. Well, thank you forbeing on the show. We love

(50:30):
you love thank you for having weneed like three four hours. Man,
I'm hoping, I'm hoping that youcome to the studio when we get back
in there. Please bless I'm goingover there. I'm going over there.
I'm aware of giant condom so wereally get busy. Oh my god,

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